 Good evening everyone welcome to tonight's meeting those in the gallery welcome those that are watching welcome Madam City Clerk, would you enlighten us with the quote of the week? Your actions in life set your course and determine the destination of your travels your reactions in life create the climate in which you travel Thank you Call the 10th regular meeting of the Common Council to order. Please call the roll Warren Serda Excuse Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clioness Manny Meyer Montemayor Ratke excuse Ryan Susha Vanderweel and Verhaselt 14 present quorum is present now. It's time to pledge allegiance to our beautiful country all over clay units, which please lead us I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you all McLeodice Prove of the minutes President Berg. Yes. Thank you, Your Honor I would move that we dispense with the reading of the minutes and approve them as entered on the record Thank you. There's a motion in a second under discussion There being none all those in favor state aye Any opposed motion carries minutes or approved Attorney McLean mayors appointments. Thank you, Your Honor First one is dated today's data hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration Ernest M. Kepler to be considered for appointment to the employee remuneration you remuneration committee Excuse me term to expire 430 07 signed by the mayor And I'd ask for a motion to suspend to approve the a pointer Second any objection to that There's a motion in a second to confirm any discussion on that all those in favor say aye Any opposed motion carries appointments approved. Thank you and to the naming rights committee There's the list that was submitted at the last council meeting and I understand that that's Yes, this is the old list for the naming rights committee. I'd ask for a motion to file That list there's a motion in a second to file any discussion on that Well those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed motion carries. All right then the new list dated today's date hereby submit the following appointments for your consideration to the naming rights committee all the person mark Hannah All the person Daniel Verhassel Tom Houlton chairman Paulette Enders vice chairman Richard Meyer Richard Grenke and Claudia Krebsky All terms expiring for 16 07 signed by the mayor I'd ask for a motion to suspend and approve those appointments Motion to suspend any Objection, please continue. Yes. Move to confirm the appointments as read any discussion All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed motion carries appointments approved Thomas Paneski and Pamela got second to be considered for appointment to the mayor's International Committee to fill the two new member positions created by resolution number 4406 07 Terms to expire 430 07 signed by the mayor as for a motion to confirm Motion second any discussion All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed motion carries confirmed and finally Barbara A Smith to be considered for appointments of the Historic Preservation Commission to fill the unexpired term of Cleo Messner whose term expires on 430 08 signed by the mayor as to confirm Second any discussion all those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed motion carries Thank You turn him clean Madam city clerk public forum First on the list would be dimple Adams Dimple if you could please come to the front podium and can you give me your home address, please 14 1424 Virginia Avenue That's good. That's good and you will have five minutes. Thank you Susan. Thank you mayor. Thank you Susan Thank you council for letting me come Tonight to speak. I haven't been here in a while um That's probably good news for some But anyway, I'm here tonight to discuss our favorite topic that we've been talking about for two three five Maybe 20 years. I'm not sure but anyway, I Just had to chuckle with the headline in the paper yesterday that said magic Monday There's nothing magical about this Monday. We've done this many times We've voted on a site for the police station and tonight. We're going to do it again And we all know pretty much Probably how that vote is going to turn out Because there's been nothing magical about it. It's been in the works for a long time It's basically been almost decided for a long time and it has been manipulated by a lot of people for a long time and It's not going to be a good deal for the city Because of the things that I said To you in my letter And also in the editorial yesterday. In fact, I Guess I'm just wondering why in May of 2003 the parking lot was assessed at a value of 127,000 then in February of 2004 The parking lot was assessed at a value of 326,000 and now today in 2006 its success assessed at a Value of a hundred and twenty two thousand point four. These aren't my figures These are figures that are in the paper and these are figures from Adam Payne that are in this document that I have in front of me So, you know one can't help but wonder What is really the real value of that parking lot down on seventh and pen? You guys have to decide that tonight and that's all I'm going to say about that we had a site voted on Two years ago, I know you're tired of hearing about it It was a free site and for the first time Thank you Alderman for hassle and your letter yesterday. You finally admitted That the friends of the park and all of you people that worked so hard to save Sheridan Park the only half of it was going to be used We had been saying that all along But it was never in writing by any of you people That wanted the part saved until yesterday and in the Sherboyton press So I appreciate that that finally some honesty came out with that and Tonight The battle isn't going to hear end here tonight once you've voted on this site Then the next battle is big going to be what are we going to build and I think Alderman Susha has already laid it out on the table That if it's not going to be Or if it's going to be more than seven million dollars according to her quote Then we're not going to build it Well, I don't know what kind of police station you're wanting but I want one That was studied to be what sheboygan needed Not what Oak Creek needed Not what Jamesville needed Not what? You know the county needs It's what we need It's what chief Kirk has said that we need chief Kirk has said we can live with 23rd Street I'm willing to do that But I am not willing to have a police station built That will not have a detective division a dispatch a garage and All the things that we need we're not talking about Things that are extravagant. We're talking about necessities for 2006 To keep our city safe. I thank you for your time And I want you guys to really work hard to make what's right for sheboygan to happen. Thank you Thank You temple Next on the list would be a Carter Paulus and Carter, could you give me your home address, please for one for Erie Avenue? And you will have five minutes, sir Thank you. Thank you your honor This is a copy of a letter that I wrote as an open letter to the mayor of sheboygan and it states as follows Your police department Personnel and leadership is out of control and should be dismissed forthwith In the last three years I have witnessed unbecoming conduct starting with the police commissioner and Progress through the ranks to the culmination of releasing of documents stamped Do not disclose To the public To further insight confuse intimidate spy an attempt to destroy the natural equilibrium and stability of the city of sheboygan and Can no longer be condoned or tolerated by the citizens of sheboygan the majority of the citizens of sheboygan The politics of division are totally unacceptable. I Have witnessed the police commissioner gave of alderman montemire the finger in public and state to her later That he was proud Unquote of his action. Is that the kind of leadership sheboygan citizens want an emphatic? No, I Have witnessed the police department pack common council meetings repeatedly in uniform to Intimidate the council toward its way of thinking not even leaving room for citizens to participate in their government Is that the kind of conductor citizens want an emphatic? No, I have witnessed a police department pack common council committee meetings repeatedly in uniform to Intimidate those committee members towards their way of thinking Leaving insufficient room for citizens to participate in their government. Is that the kind of conductor citizens want an emphatic? No, I have witnessed police department personnel Participate in public demonstrations on South business Drive and Union Avenue to intimidate the public towards their way of thinking Is that the kind of conductor citizens want an emphatic? No, I have witnessed police department personnel Participate in public demonstrations on Calumet and North Avenues to intimidate the public towards their way of thinking Is that the kind of conduct our citizens want an emphatic? No, I have witnessed police department personnel Participate in public demonstrations on Erie Avenue and 14th Street to intimidate the public toward their way of thinking Is that the kind of conduct our citizens want an emphatic? No, I have witnessed police department personnel Participate in public demonstrations on the steps of our city hall to intimidate the public and our government leaders Towards their way of thinking is that the kind of conduct our citizens want an emphatic? No There are other items that others have had to endure By this police department's unacceptable conduct But the premature release of a he said she said report that is not complete and Stamped do not disclose and Further divides the community is totally unacceptable. Is that the kind of conduct we want from our police department and emphatic? No these actions have fostered and emboldened that Minority element of our citizenry to further excesses against our city government and its Citizens is that the kind of conduct the majority of our citizens want an emphatic? No All these inappropriate actions by the Sheboygan police department to intimidate and circumvent the normal Governmental actions of our city is totally unacceptable to the citizens of Sheboygan the majority of the citizens in Sheboygan We pride ourselves in our democracy We must dispense with this ruthless politics and focus on fostering respect civility and Unity in our democratic process on all levels of government or see our democracy slip away into anarchy if need be the governor should be asked for all legal help and Personnel to restore order to our city of Sheboygan and the police department personnel involved in this egregious conduct against our city and the majority of its citizens should be dismissed fourth with Carter your time is up. I Have just one last sentence if I may yes, I mean the majority of the citizens Ask you mayor Perez and all 16 of you alderman present or not present to perform for the benefit of our citizens now Thank you very much. Thank you Next on the list is John winter John could you give me your home address, please certainly twenty two thirteen Broadway Avenue And you will have five minutes, sir. I might just go a few seconds over that. I'll let you know I won't be any more than that Thank You mr. Mayor and counsel I'm here tonight to talk about the police station on 23rd Street site as you know from the past the police Association has always preferred either the Sheridan site or the van of art site But since those two options are no longer available that leaves a 23rd Street site And it's time to move on on August 9th the capital improvements committee recommended that the new police station be over 60,000 square feet at a cost of 13.5 million dollars I'd like to thank mayor Perez Also all the person graph all the person van der wheel as well as mr. Henry young who voted in favor of this motion and their foresight in recognizing the space needs at a police department Now I ask the council to follow up on that vote and to fill that space with the tools needed to provide quality police service to the citizens of Sheboygan Recently some unacceptable recommendations have been made about the police department Suggestions such as not needing a detective division not not needing holding cells not having a garage eliminating dispatchers or having too many restrooms Four of these items I mentioned are vital to police operations. The last item is vital to our personal needs With the detective division the importance of this unit can't be stressed enough These detectives devote all their time in investigating complicated crimes crime scene investigation has become a science in itself Not having a detective division would be like having a hospital without an intensive care unit. Just not a good idea Holding recent another item was regarding holding cells. I'm not sure why anyone would recommend that the police station not have holding cells I don't think they want arrested individuals some violent to be allowed to wander the building As it stands now, we don't have enough in the in the patrol division We only have two holding cells, but yet somehow we're supposed to divide four categories of suspects That's male and female adults and male and female juveniles into two cells. The math doesn't work out This also opens up the city to liability Holding cells are needed for the safety of everyone working or visiting the police department plus the safety of the suspects in custody Next is the need for a garage and an on-site mechanic It is important to have a police garage to protect the expensive equipment inside those vehicles And also had to have all the police vehicles located in one place rather than spread out at various locations as it is now It is also important to have an on-site mechanic Having him on site is the most efficient use of his time as Opposed to having him having him use his time to shuttle vehicles back and forth from the police station to another site Currently we are keeping cars three years instead of two and as a result. We're seeing more breakdowns If the mechanic is spending part of his day shuttling cars That means there's less time for making repairs and fewer cars available for street duty The result may be may mean requiring a larger fleet of squad cars. So there are enough to cover the city Hopefully you can see the snowball effect this has in moving the mechanic off-site Recently several other persons have taken tours of various dispatch centers in Rock County It was shown that it was shown that a dispatch center must be sufficiently staffed and equipped The officer conducting the tour made the comment that if you are considering a joint dispatch center to save money Then that is the wrong reason But there is an opportunity in front of you right now that would save money on a joint dispatch center Build it in a new police station Again doing some research. I found that to expand the current Sheriff Department dispatch center would would to accommodate extra Dispatchers and the equipment would cost about four hundred and fifty thousand dollars But making a joint dispatch center in a new police station would cost about three hundred thousand a savings of a hundred and fifty thousand Dispatchers are a lifeline for both citizens and the officers when they are in trouble in need of help That requires dispatchers and know the city and the resources available Our call volume is greater than that of the Sheriff Department. Therefore our needs are greater So placing a dispatch center in the police department makes sense for a number of reasons Finally there is one other area that I think some people may see as a perk But I see is as a necessity and that is providing an exercise room Health is an important issue especially when you consider that physical confrontations are part of our jobs Having an area to maintain our physical ability not only helps officers in their jobs But also keeps costs lower for the city that means less workers compensation claims and lower health care costs Recently a meeting was held to look into reducing health care costs for city employees Investing in their health insurance Providing an exercise room would help towards that investment Keep in mind that we are only asking for a room Because the equipment we have now which was obtained through private donations and through purchases through the police Associations would be used inside that room. So there is no cost to the city other than providing that room Excuse me John. Would you like an extra minute? 15 seconds So I go back to the building at a new police department We are pleased to hear that it has been recommended to build a 60,000 plus square foot of a facility But let's not let it be an empty shell Please equip it with the tools and resources we need to provide police service to the community that the citizens expect and deserve Thank you Thank You John And last on the list is Terry Thomas and Terry. Can you give me your home address, please? 2321 a Cleveland Avenue Cleveland And you will have five minutes. Okay. I want to thank you all for having me here tonight This is the first time I've been here. I have three young children. So time is Very valuable to me I have a few Issues I would just like to bring to everyone's attention and perhaps in Future when we're not planning a police department to go up that some of these issues can be addressed first of all is City regulations for renting the electric code is only a 60 amp Now if you want to get Purchased renters insurance to protect your belongings you need 100 amp service so I'd like to know how if you are in a home that you are renting that has 60 amp How do you go about getting renters insurance? I Am in that situation and I recently had a Laptop computer stolen from me which is well over $2,000 alone besides for that My identity could be stolen as a result of that because of all the information on this laptop It's been reported to the police and I'm still waiting upon a response the other thing I would like to discuss with you is there's been so much talk and money spent on Drugs and keeping our city safe from drugs and keeping the drugs off the streets which I am all for that I Commend the officers and police departments and everyone working on the situation that is very very important to this City the schools and all the children in the future of the city But if the other besides for them keeping working on keeping the drugs off the streets if they ever thought about The adverse effect of the economics supply and demand If we can get rid of the demand the supply will automatically go down There is a few places for addicts and sheboygan to go to get help But there is not nearly enough Unfortunately, I had to live through a situation or my Fiancé at the time was an addict and I met him when he was clean didn't know about the addiction until we were in love and had children He's been through Genesis and many other places in Sheboygan for help. There is no long-term Place in Sheboygan to get help. I never knew how big of a problem this was until it personally affected my life It is hard to see somebody who wants help and is fighting every day to keep clean To have this addiction, which is a disease no different than a gambling disease or an alcoholic Or anything else. It's just the same. It's all an addiction So I suggest that the city of Sheboygan work on spending some money to help people get clean and stay clean and If people are not demanding the drugs the supply and the drug dealers will not be coming here to bring the drugs because They're not selling them So I just think that that is a Different way to look at this situation and to keep the drugs off the street and to keep our community clean and safe And I thank you all very much for your time Thank You, Terry Like to thank the citizens who addressed the council tonight Please always feel free to do so At this time we have a proclamation to present toys for tots. I'd ask for Mr. Junior Clark, Mr. Bob Colbert, Mr. Mike Daniels. Please step up as you know toys for tots Started today already So we're hoping to make this proclamation a little bit timelier But this is the best we could do and we did have a meeting today Thank all three of you gentlemen for all the work that you do the volunteer work and for caring for the kids and our city in general Not everybody has a big heart that you have and The ones that don't can truly appreciate that. So thank you very much Proclamation whereas the United States Marine Corps Sponsors a local toy for tots campaign and whereas a toy for tots campaign work with the Salvation Army to provide toys and gives for needy families and children in the city of Sheboygan and Whereas without the Marine Corps and other community groups such as the Sheboygan softball association Coordinating efforts many families in the city of Sheboygan would not find themselves at Christmas without Gives for their children and whereas the 17th annual US Marine Corps of the Sheboygan and the Sheboygan softball Association's tournament to raise money for the annual campaign begins at Wildwood complex today August 24th and runs through Sunday, August 27th Now therefore I won Perez by virtue of the authority vested in me as mayor of the city of Sheboygan do here by proclaim the week of August 21st to 206 to August 27th as support a local toys for tots week gentlemen. Thank you very much Your honor at this time. We'd like to just present to the city This is this year's edition of our toys for tots shirt. It's a 17th anniversary The neat thing about this proclamation this year at this point we're up to a hundred ninety one thousand dollars and The way the weather forecast looks like we're going to hit two hundred thousand dollars this year and this is the You see a lot of tournaments softball tournaments for these guys play for big money and everything like this That's the first place award. There's a sponsor plaque that goes with the logo But this is it and when you go on Sunday if you stop down there You're going to seek Ben and women and we have a youth division fighting for that toys for tots teddy bear and That is in the logo and I think the true meaning of that teddy bear is the loving the caring The sharing of the Sheboygan people that make this toy for the top tournament One of the largest toys for Toss collection for the US Marine Corps At that I'd like to thank all the people in the city Sheboygan and the area The city Sheboygan and everyone else for helping us Bring a class act as we do a while with complex. Thank you very much Thank you again for your hard work Little bears got a bat the next item on the agenda is mirrors comments There's three things that I wanted to address tonight and Somewhat briefly, but if anybody has any questions, please feel free to call my office The first item has been touched on briefly tonight and that is Once we pass the threshold of selecting a site after tonight we have a site It's either going to be a 23rd or it's going to be right next to City Hall But I strongly urge the council. We can't go forward anymore. We need to build a police station Having said that we also need to be very mindful That although we're going through some harsh harsh financial times scrounging up money that We have to be mindful of addressing not only immediate needs, but future needs At the most tempted moment sometimes Requires the most courage We can save Lots of money if we build a cheaper station You save it today you pay for it tomorrow Some other day so I would ask the council to be mindful of that and although each one of you represents a district and Award in each district your vote impacts the entire community not just your district and That's pretty powerful You have a lot of power with you When you act as collectively as a council Please keep that in mind The other comment that I wanted to make concerns the mayor Wanted to abolish the police department Folks if I wanted to abolish the police department you would have seen it already. I Wouldn't be fighting for a police station as I am now It's a father's thing from truth. I Don't know why people say that I Have an idea why people say that but it's the farthest thing from the truth Chief Kirk and his two deputies speak constantly most of you and all the public are not pretty to those discussions And I don't make it a habit to go telling everyone every single time I talk to department heads About every single item that we talk about because that's just not the right way to do it Any alderman ever wishes to know I'd be glad to sit down with you and talk to you But the dynamic of municipal government and decision-making is complex Some people say why don't you just do it? It doesn't happen that way. I wish it did make my job easier quite frankly It doesn't happen that way. It's complex and It's very very challenging and there's a lot of dynamic that has to come together To make things happen. Sometimes we have to wait a little bit and that's okay So long as you keep focus and take and don't take your eyes off the go I Want to build a Strong police force in our city, which leads me through my next point We were told today about the drug problem and we were told that People don't understand how big it is and that's true We obviously don't associate in that Why in a friendship for us there is no problem But it's out there and we can no longer ignore it I Will no longer ignore it And it's a timely issue that has been addressed by our citizen today Because just this morning Chief Clark and I were talking about it How we're going to put together an aggressive program To deal with this issue I don't know that we can eliminate this this is a bigger problem than sheboygan is in the whole country in the whole world It's a big big problem because there's lots of big money involved But we need to send the message to those drug dealers and if they're going to deal drugs They're not going to do it in Sheboygan and if they are it's going to cost a lot of money And they're going to be severe penalties for that And there has to be a program out there that's perhaps a role program a model program Or we have to create our own But the citizen that spoke tonight was absolutely right you cut off that demand they're going to go to where the demand is And it may be that addressing the big guys Is part of the solution but addressing the ones that are asking for it is the other part of the solution It's a two-prong area that you have to address You will be seeing and you will be hearing from me plans as they materialize on that particular topic And I would ask you as alderman to talk to people on the community find out how big is this thing? It can literally destroy a community and it can literally destroy a family and The people who use it. It's that bad. It's that ugly So please be mindful of that We will move on Alderman Hanna Mr. Mayor, I would like to pull forward Resolution 1045 Okay, please continue. I Would like to move for suspension of the rules and put the resolution upon as passage. Okay. Is there a second to a second? Is there any objection to suspension? There being on motion is to put the resolution upon his passage and there is there a second to that motion Second under discussion. Is there any discussion? Alderman morn Thank You mr. Chairman. I think this may be just housekeeping and I support the resolution by the way But this is for the city attorney on the third page of the resolution down at the bottom where it talks about the County holding the funds for for for 12 months, etc. And then the fourth page the revised fiscal note Down where it says reserve fund Mr. Finch and his document that revised document didn't make any Reference to the 12-month period when he was talking about the reserve fund down on the bottom I guess my question is does page three take precedent and cover page four or should it been should have Mr. Finch mentioned that 12-month period in his document. Thank you Thank you. Alderman morn turn McLean your comment there. Yes, Alderman morn it'd be my opinion that the text of the resolution would supersede the Finance directors fiscal notes such as You know putting listing the figures, but the text of the resolution would supersede In the other discussion Alderman sushia Thank you your honor You know, I was very disappointed with the The committee that decided to change the amount we're spending on the police station from seven million up to 13 and a half million Now I know tonight. We're not talking about the price We're talking about the location and I've said this more than once that we've spent way too much time talking about a location and not concentrating what we're going to build and how much we're going to spend and Currently at 13 and a half million dollars no matter how much I believe we need a new police station because I truly do believe We need a new one, but the citizens cannot afford 13 and a half million dollars and If that continues as it stands today, I will not vote in favor of building a new police station So for that reason I'm going to abstain on the location because I think it would be hypocritical for me to pick a location When ultimately if the price stays at 13 and a half million, I'm going to say no. Thank you Couple comments first Tonight we have an opportunity to move forward together To my friends on the county board I truly believe I have a moral commitment to deliver a clean side to us Do not forget for one minute that we are in all in this partnership together To the police department and particularly thank you to officer winter for tonight for speaking to us We will build a police station that meets the needs of our community and support our standing officers I personally personally witnessed your space needs and also know how important the physical condition of our officers is Thank you all in the hand President bird. Yes, thank you your honor. I think in a couple of brief comments. This isn't the perfect site It isn't the perfect deal, but of the sites we have of the choices we have I think clearly is the Direction that we need to go as a point of awareness much has been made of the potential contaminant in the area I've enjoyed the opportunity of following with the supervisors who represent the first district and Learned that we have access to go on that site and put a shovel in the ground anytime we want to We don't need permission. There was a pre-existing County board resolution which granted us access so in terms of if in the judgment of our engineering staff that it is important for us to conclude a phase three or any other environmental studies prior to If you would consummating the deal, I think we have that option So and I would assume that the building use committee would take that under some advisement of consideration in as much as they have The resources and the funding to do that environmental work. Thank you. Thank you, President Burke Chief Clark, would you like to address the council? Please step up sir. Thank you, mr. Mayor and common council First off I thank you for the comments as to the drug situation in our community in the state and the nation and certainly We have discussed this as I was named chief over six years ago We addressed this it became our number one concern that we needed to deal with we've dealt with it aggressively Proactively we received state awards received international recognition yet. There's more work that can be done and will be done. Thank you Once again, we sit here with a site selection and I say to myself could it be I hope we get this site Selected tonight and we move forward. I compare it To a long a bus ride or a long trip that you take with your family before We have map quest where you don't know necessarily how many more miles you have to go or what highways you have to Have to proceed down. You know that some place around the next bend You're going to get there when I was a child frequently I'd ask my parents. Are we there yet? Are we there yet? It's the same thing here again today 1977 when I first began employment with the city I jumped on this bus that was taking us To a new police station my chief at that time chief Frank told me and I've mentioned this before to this common counsel He tells me that day and I remembered like it happened yesterday. He says kid. Don't worry about the facility We're going to build police department soon. I Hope we're there. I hope That we pick this site tonight. I do endorse and support the 23rd Street site tonight I've been actively involved in a pursuit of this police station this police site for the last six years as chief There was great effort We named Deputy Chief Weiss as our project manager We had 15 to 17 different members who sat on different internal planning teams to sit down with different Architectural firms at different times to do needs assessments. We worked on adjacencies We worked on our needs and what was needed for a large police department We are deemed in the nation a medium-sized police department But actually in the state of Wisconsin, we're a rather large police department We have a large community of 51,000 50,000 something in between 50 to 51,000 as I talk around the state there there's a Hundreds of police departments in the state of Wisconsin and they look up to us as a rather large police department So when I refer to us being a medium-sized that's really not the case in the state of Wisconsin We're large and because of the service and the level of services we provide we need certain Facilities and equipment, etc. As we proceeded down this trip many years ago since 1977 for me and a certainly earlier for others We received bumped in a road or bumps in a road detours along the way, but we're getting there once again. I Think you must I was at a chief's conference this last week Monday Tuesday Wednesday of this last week And I've talked to officers up in Green Bay. I have not heard this prior to this last week The officers there were speaking to us and and I sat down I talked to a number of them They said chief you have an excellent police department. You have some excellent officers You have work that goes on up there, which is outstanding. However, I will tell you right here tonight We would never apply at your police department because of the facility We don't know when you're going to build a facility. I now tell the new people coming on I say the same thing my chief told me and I believed him then and I hope my officers believe me here tonight We will build a new police station. It is coming. Just give us some time One other point I need to bring up is an employee just recently Brought to my attention they have escape plans in our secretarial area that if someone would break free Someone that we have in custody would break free our employees have actually talked about how and where they would leave To get away from the person who broke free from our custody and into their work area There are some great liability concerns with the current facility and I know that you're aware of this I know that the issue of the necessity of a new police department is no longer to be discussed because it's accepted I wish to say thank you tonight to the capital improvements commission for their support in The budget and the square footage of a police facility that we need This is a this is a big project. This is a big budgeted item We understand that but the fact is police or the city has never built a police station We have been housed in City Hall since we first began and since we City Hall was constructed Project is expensive Yes, it is but I will get costlier as time goes on. I see the budget continuing to rise Last year we built a fire station on the south side because it was accepted that the prices are continuing to rise And we should make it a priority and built it. We did build it And we need to build a police department This is a costly project. We accept that we have taken a look at square footage Under my administration in the last six years. We've done three needs assessment Stubin Rock and Kimmy the first one said we after we sat down with 15 to 17 of our employees Spent great number of hours. They said you need 64,000 square foot for this facility to meet What you need to provide the level of service that you are currently providing and for future Growth it is predicted that sheboygan in 20 years will grow from 51,000 to 54,700 I believe that's stupid rock Kimmy Estimates so we're not talking about large future growth. We're looking at a growth of 3,000 some Citizens for the city of Sheboygan so futuristic growth is not Huge as far as a police department go as we went then stupid rock and Kimmy told us we need 64 Then we had the Engberg Moyer report that said we needed 80,000 square feet Then we had Zimmerman came in and said we needed 80,000 as you look at our project site is Important it's a very important crucial selection period We spent enough time on site selection 23rd Street is a good site It is a good site. It has adequate space for what we are now currently looking at for those who are at home And for those here tonight. I need to stress that as we moved on from one architect to another the Concept of our building has changed. I think you can recall where we needed our student rock Kimmy indicated to us We we stood with them that we needed four acres on 23rd Street But if you can recall that was for a one-story facility that would then take and needed four acres Now we're looking at the current concept and I support this I want this to be very clear tonight. I do support this I do endorse the plan that's on the table at this time approximately 63,000 or 60,000 plus square footage at What some say is 13.5 size is very important because it looks at the needs of our Department and we must build a facility that will to address the needs and provide the equipment and the the equipment the rooms the interview rooms, etc For the level of services we provide to our citizens Project is long overdue. I think our employees need to be commended for understanding at times we become vocal However, I commend my employees for understanding that our project will be addressed We will have a new police department. I Want to thank you tonight. I want to thank you for the effort that you're going to put forth once again I want to say thank you Prior to your vote here tonight that you will provide this city with the police department with the facility and the equipment That is necessary to continue with the level of service that this city deserves and demands Thank you very much. As I said earlier. I wish to make it very clear I do endorse this for the concept of the project 2.7 acres on 23rd Street is adequate land to address the building size because it would be a multi-level Facility garage every somewhat subterrain and then a floor above this will address The necessity of the new police department and needs of the size that we need. Thank you very much. Thank you, mayor Thank you chief Under further discussion we have Alderman Ryan first Thank you, mr. Mayor We as members of the Common Council and I do use the word we because we're all in this together They've basically muddled through this issue for far too long We've made some Probably unprofessional Appearing decisions And now we're down to a 2.72 acres site to build a police station on that operationally economically Geographically, I think there were better sites out there, so we're down to North 23rd Street and City Hall I Came in to this well earlier today. I had I wanted to put in a An amendment to this resolution addressing the environmental concerns of this property In the private sector nobody ever buys property that has some environmental questions Without that being addressed. There's not a bank in the country that'll finance a property without the seller Taking responsibility for any environmental issues that may arise but on this property If this is if this passes tonight, we're going to ask the taxpayers to probably take that chance I have serious reservations about that however At this point to put in an amendment to get the county to agree to take responsibility for it or to take the $175,000 that is set aside for future shared services that if we do run into that big can of worms That it may be applied to it That would only delay this process we've we've been through this long enough We have to we have to get moving on our police department our Our police our police department they deserve it. I think the citizens are tired of this This is not the ideal location But it needs to be done. I'd like to have applaud the mayor Alderman Graf Alderman Vander wheel for Appropriating 13 and a half million dollars to build this facility. I have some We have 2.72 acres now if this passes The only choice we have is to build a multi-story structure. It's the only way it's going to fit on the on the site Eight million dollars will not build a multi-story structure into pass up the opacity resolution that is not sufficient to build the police department and then Give part of the responsibilities to the county under the guys of shared services Which there's nothing wrong with shared services, but it's supposed to be sharing Responsibilities county does this we do that Just to give to give services to wholesale to the county into downsize of police department is not the answer I'm going to vote for the North 23rd Street site. I do urge Others to do the same. Let's get this done with let's put it behind us And when the question comes up for funding We have to build a facility that will be Sufficient to meet the police department's needs if we're not going to build a facility that is sufficient We might as well not build one Thank you Thank you, Mr. Ryan Alderman Vander wheel Thank you, owner I've never been a hundred percent sure which way I would vote tonight. I've ordered many times on a police station site I'm hoping tonight will be the last time in the process of trying to make a decision I've come up with more than seven reasons why not to go with either site if I did not support the police department or building the first Police station should point has ever built. I would vote down both sites. I realize that we will never find the perfect site That will make everyone happy That site was lost in the 90s when we should have built the station Of course hindsight is 2020 Today I was studying the the soil boring report I found a few from a couple years ago, and I recently got one today And I'm convinced that we will not have a problem in the area that we are choosing to build on Also, I appreciate Alderman sushi's comments That if we're not going to approve money to build a decent facility Then I would ask you to vote no on Tonight because the police don't deserve something we have to replace in two years So, you know, we have to spend the money we have to equip it and the police deserve a decent station I've toured the station inside and out, and I've toured the The communication center and they deserve it. Thank you. Thank you. I'm in Vanderweel Alderman Matty Thank you, right like mr. Holton to address questions noted by mr. Ryan and Also the answers that mr. Vanderweel Post mr. Holton gives detail about the footprint where that fits in the property and previous soil borings Mr. Holton, would you please step up there? Thank you mayor and council like it. I'm not quite sure on Alderman Ryan's questions Other than that know that we had the soil borings and there's fill on the site And it sounds like if they're doing underground parking that's going to take care of the fill issue on the site The contamination of the fuel contaminated cells is near the salt shed And I think with the property line 3035 feet to the west of there Would take care of that, but I can't say that for certain That's I like the idea of keeping the door open if I don't do a phase three may make sense to do that Now that we dug four test pits on there on the site and we found a little bit of wood a little bit of brick and some asphalt and Nothing major, but it's obvious that it's filled that was brought in there Okay, thank you. Do you have a question for mr. Holton? Yes. Thank you. Mr. Mayor I was not you know actually posing a question, but making a statement. There always is the possibility We have 2.7 acres. We've had four soil borings on the entire property Have we had any? Test wells for for water contamination on the property were purchasing No, not that I'm aware of there were actually 10 soil borings and four test pits Okay, nothing that I know of any any testing for groundwater and the soil borings the 10 soil borings showed no I think I believe there were three three borings to the east side near the salt shed that had a petroleum order to I believe it was three But all of them showed evidence of fill anywhere from two feet to maybe 10 feet of film I'm just speaking hypothetically not that we run into a Big can of worms and we get stuck with the Thank you, Ryan. Thank you, Mr. Holton, okay Please call the roll born there Davis graph I'm sorry. Thank you. Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemayor Ryan Sushia Vanderweal and we're hassled 13 eyes and one extension motion carries Oh no, I'm sorry. It would have been 12. I'm sorry. You're right. I'd like to Mr. Mayor, I would like to pull forward Resolution 1046 Please do make motion. I would like to Make a motion to put the resolution upon as passage. Is there a second second? Thank you President Byrd. Yes, thank you your honor. I think there's a Just a point of clarification. There is a difference between the two documents So I would like to amend the resolution as you have it in your package The amendment being following the first sentence adding Authorizing building the police station at the city hall site and to eliminate the van der Barth site that makes it Compatible with the language that is in the agenda Is there a second to that? Please call rule This is on the amendment on the amendment Byrd Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Ryan Sushia Vanderweal for hassle and born 14 eyes Motion carries home and Hannah would you like to make a motion to pass the resolution as amended? Mr. Mayor I'd make the motion to pass the resolution as a second discussion. Thank you old man, Hannah. Please call rule Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Ryan Sushia Vanderweal Rehastled Born and Berg 13 eyes one node motion carries consent agenda president Berg Thank You your honor. I would move to Accept and follow our seas accept to adopt all the arrows and pass all general ordinances And that's 10 1 through 10 21. Is there a second to that second any discussion on that? There'll be an on Please call graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Ryan Sushia Vanderweal Rehastled Born Berg and Davis 14 eyes motion carries communications and petitions 10 22 to 10 23 to be referred Please note that 10 23 will also go to parts and forestry Commission In addition to public works Report of officers to 10 24 will be referred to building news committee in city county shared services committee 1025 lies over 1026 to 1044 to be referred 1045 we've dealt with 1046 we've dealt with 1047 by Alderman 47 by Alderman Meyer authorizing the appropriate city officials actually I thought it was this thing doing make it another noise 10 Okay, we're ready to go again 1047 by Alderman Meyer authorizing the appropriate city officials to sign the offer to purchase Point two zero eight acres from Acuity as part of the Washington Street Reconstruction Project all in Meyer Thank You your honor. I would like a motion to suspend the real rules Is there any objection please continue I would like Attorney McLean to please Address this and explain to us why we need this and then I would ask that this resolution be put upon its passage Is there there's a motion to put the resolution 1047 upon its passage and second attorney McLean? Thank You your honor. This is the last piece of the puzzle for the Washington Street Taylor Drive Reconstruction Project the purchase of point two zero eight acres from Acuity that would call for Provide for two additional turn lanes going south on Taylor Drive turning West onto Washington Avenue This was part of the relocation order that the council adopted a number of months ago and A number of the documents have previously come before the council for approval on the acquisition of the other pieces Point out that This is the purchase price is more than the the appraised value They have requested in addition to turn Turning lanes or turn median cuts and the city staff is In favor of that that and there's a an estimate from the time Peterson in the neighborhood of sixty seven thousand two hundred seventy eight dollars to do that In addition they're requesting that the acuities appraisal cost the amount of three thousand one hundred and fifty dollars be reimbursed Along with this city staff has talked to Walmart They at least to this point verbally agreed to pick up the tab for Both the acquisition and the cost not to exceed sixty seven thousand two seventy eight for the construction of the two turn lanes and median crossings and and acuities appraisal costs so if the turn lanes came in higher than the sixty seven two seventy eight that would be on our nickel but City engineering department is pretty confident that that number Can be met if not the be lower than that so the recommendation I would advise that approving this Resolution purchasing that that property Thank you attorney McLean again, it would be contingent on getting a signed letter from Walmart agreeing to reimburse us We haven't got that letter yet, but we wouldn't close with the Q it until we Okay, thank you. Please call roll Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Ryan Susha Vander wheel for hassled Oran for Davis and graph 14 eyes motion carries 1048 by Alderman graph and Meyer authorizing the city of Sheboygan to enter into a revised contract for obtaining prescription benefit management services All men grow Thank you, your honor. I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second on our discussion There be a none. Please call the roll Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Ryan Susha Vander wheel for hassled Foran for Davis graph and Hannah 13 eyes one extension motion carries 1049 lies over 1050 through 1055 to be referred Reported committees 5 1056 to be referred Reported committees 6 1057 through 1060 to be referred Reported committees 7 1061 by law and licensing recommended denying beverage operators license number 7168 based on her habitual law-breaking and the significant number of violations related to the license activity Allman Ryan Thank You mr. Mayor. I move that the report be accepted Inverted Motion and second under discussion is Tiffany Stalber present this evening Not present your honor. Thank you. All right Any further discussion? No, your honor. I make a that's it. That's all you need to do. Thank you Any further discussion on that? Please call Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Ryan Susha Vander wheel for hassled Foran for Davis graph Hannah and Kittleson 14 eyes motion carries 1062 by law and licensing recommended denying beverage operators license number 6484 based on hurt on his habitual criminality and based on violations related to the license activity all of them and Ryan I Move that the report be accepted and adopted your honor motion and second under discussion Is Miguel Morales present this evening? He's not mr. Mayor. Thank you You need discussion on that There being none, please call roll Manny Myer Montemay or Ryan Susha Vander wheel for hassled boron Davis graph Hannah Kittleson and Clowness 14 eyes motion carries 1063 by short short short term Committee on employee remuneration requests in the city with to authorize MRA a management association to get information Which the committee needs to compare 15 positions in the city with comparable positions in private industries of the same size? Same employee sizes in the Sheboygan County area and to authorize up to three thousand dollars to be spent to accomplish this task Alderman Manning Thank you. I move to suspend the rule There's motion second. Is there any objection? There being none, please proceed Thank you, I moved to accept and adopt report of the committee Motion second to accept and adopt any discussion Solomon Manning by way of commentary the rationale is we need this this money To get the information that we need to finish our work The MRA is a professional association of management. They would do the research necessary to get information to us That's not available in the public venue The cost of small change versus other costs that we're facing in the city by way of example Insurance costs have gone up 199% of the last ten years If in fact they had gone up at 4% a year instead of the rates that they had increased We would have today two point two million dollars a year every year Available to build a police station of whatever size we chose So I think these dollars in relationship to the bigger issues involved both for the city as well as the state and the nation Is essential that we spend this to have something to help us understand where we are And to use that information move ahead for the good of the city and the good of the greater community Thank you. Thank you. Alderman Manning. Alderman Sousha Thank you, Your Honor. I think this is a good concept I just have some questions in regards to why only 15 positions when we have a couple hundred positions and Also of the 15 positions that are being looked at do they include all of the department heads? Okay, Alderman Matty. Would you like to address that sir or not? Your Honor, I would like to call it sirk forward Is that not here okay, then I will speak to that he can speak better, but I think What they did was work with private industry Joe Hilti from Beaman's company and Work with those people on our committee who are in business To decide the best way to approach this and the best way to approach this is to look at job Categories that are parallel both in industry and in the public sector and to do that in such a way that you're comparing Comparable size companies to the size employer that we are So that you're having a spare and evaluation is possible And in working together with private industry, they came up with 15 positions that they felt would be fairly easy to compare and quite comparable Thank you, Alderman Matty. Alderman Vanderweel Thank you, Your Honor. I Realize that the money will be well spent and and we need the information, but I also need to ask Where's the three thousand dollars coming from and also have we looked into the possibility of the committee doing this or themselves instead of hiring out Yeah $3,000 will come from contingency Alderman Matty and the second question We cannot do the work ourselves Information the private sector is beyond easy availability We could pursue and find some but in all probability would be inadequate By going professionally they protect the companies that give them information So we will never know the company's names But we will have adequate information or hands about the dollars Thank you, Alderman Matty Okay, please call the roll Meyer Montemay or Ryan Sushia Vanderweal for hassled Warren Berg Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness and Manny 14 eyes Motion carries 1064 to be referred Ordinances introduced 10 1065 to 1066 lies over 1067 through 1071 to be referred however Please note 1067 68 and 69 and 70 will also be referred to public protection and safety matters late over 11 968 by Alderman graph Resolution number 920607 by Alderman graph Hannah Clowness Sushia and born Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 206 budget Alderman graph. Thank you, your honor that resolution along with resolution 9306 of 7 which is council document 969 which is a resolution to Authorize a transfer of appropriations also in the 2006 budget I would move that both Resolutions be put upon their passage motion and second any discussion There be a non please call roll Montemay or Ryan Sushia Vanderweal for hassled Warren Berg Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny and Meyer 14 eyes motion carries other matters attorney McLean Thank you, your honor 1072 is communication received by the mayor from Mrs. Barbara Semple Regarding safety issues near the YMCA Concerning children being present with moving cars in and around the YMCA that will be referred to public protection and safety 1073 is an arrow by the purchasing agent submitting an evaluation of request for proposal 1828 received on august 3rd for the purchase of a wastewater treatment plant cone shaped vortex grit washer That's pretty Could you say that again? That will be referred to public works At least it's not going to the remuneration committee 1074 is a resolution authorizing the purchasing agent to enter a contract for the purchase of a wastewater treatment plant grit washer That will be going to public works 1075 is communication from Kevin O'Driscoll vice president of McGrath associates representative of the owners of the properties at 628 630 629 633 north a street Requesting an encroachment of city property in order for the owner of chocolate fantasies To place outdoor tables and chairs within the city's right-of-way between Memorial Day and Labor Day That will be referred to city planning commission 1076 is a similar RO submitting communication from Kevin O'Driscoll vice president of McGrath associates Requesting an encroachment of city property in order for the owner of ecology Outfitters to display a kayak trailer on a city property between Memorial Day and Labor Day That will be referred to city plan 1077 is an ordinance granting Robert G wood Todd McGrath and Lance T McGrath There are errors in the signs privilege of encroaching upon described portions of north eighth street Located at 631 north eighth street in the city for the purpose of maintaining a patio area that too will go to city planning 1078 an ordinance granting Robert G wood Todd McGrath and Lance McGrath There are errors in the signs the privilege of encroaching upon described portions of new york avenue Located at 633 north eighth street in the city for the purpose of displaying merchandise also city plan 1079 submitting communication from the wisconsin department of administration stating that they Do not object to the final plan bearing the august 11 2006 revision date for the preserve at Briarwood And that too will go to city planning commission Marching the second to adjourn all those in favor say aye And adjourned thank you very much. Good night