 Yeah. Hi, everyone. Hi, how are you doing? Okay, so I just wanted to talk a little bit about the Code of Conduct for this meeting and just to let you know we're here to respect each other. We know the rules. If you want to go ahead, I just wanted to re-emphasize being respectful and kind to each other. Today, I would like to talk a little bit about KubeCon in the EU, United in the Cloud, and where we could include the wins. Okay, so yeah, it wins. Okay, it just was term of clarification. Thank you. Okay, so we were talking about that in Chicago, right? And that's not about, okay, so yes, I was just recently speaking, I was about the keynote in Chicago. It was really terrific, a wonderful experience for everybody. And I can't even explain how that all happened. So, anyway, I'll do that another time. But I just wanted to keep this meeting as brief as possible. But also, looking back at the technical talks at KubeCon. But from Maori to Deaf Engineering and all the contributions there at that panel discussion and that lightning talk about empowering deaf and hard of hearing folks in the Cloud wave. And so, and the interviews that we did, it was just really just phenomenal experience. And it was great experience. The whole KubeCon was just fantastic. So, I know people were everywhere, you know, we just were scattered all over the place. I know it was pretty crazy, but it was great. And we did some new interviews as well. And we did some really strong technical interviews as well. So that all went really well at KubeCon. And I know there was a lot of stuff going on. And if you want to know more, please reach out, I'll be happy to talk with you about it. Or our happy hour, our signing happy hour that we have, we can chat about it then and talk about KubeCon, what happened there. So, if you have any questions, just please let me know. Nothing. Okay. Anastasia is next, I think. We were going to talk about language access at KubeCon, and what we do for Europe as well. So, we were talking about if we wanted to use universal sign language ASL or some different language or combination thereof. We've got a bit of a problem because I'm not sure interpreters have been to that conference before. And I'm not sure they fully understand about how communication works with interpreters and why we would need sign language access there. And those sorts of things that we're having some problems we need to address with making decisions about how to move forward on that next conference. And deciding what is best for us. And yeah, if you, you know, we want more signing and you might want to put it in the database what you're thinking of. And then we can reach out and get interpreters once we decide what to do. And we have some of that world collaborative sign language kind of gestural universal sign that they do. And like the World Deaf Federation, they've had that sort of thing there too. And I would like to kind of understand what their experience of the universal sign language was there, if they used ASL or universal interpreters or what they did and get that understanding going. So what did you want to talk about now? This is Malod here. And I'll do this just one little quick thing I want to add to clarification. For the interpreter, if I could just add a little bit. When I'm signing for Catherine. Okay. Yeah, for Catherine. So Oh, her sign name is Catherine just clarifying for the interpreter. Martin has a question. One second. Okay, I'm hoping to sign. I don't have ASL. I use international signs. I'm going to ask the interpreter to interrupt me if they don't understand. But we were talking about seven having interpreters using one language. And I think it's best if we just have one international sign interpreter instead of having many different languages. And we just need people who have awareness and understanding of international sign. And we want to make sure we're finding and it can be hard to find people that are really good interpreters at that particular language. So in our country, I do know a few people I can coordinate with. But I think we should be able to find interpreters who can come and do international sign. If people want to find interpreters from their own countries, they can do that to work alongside those international interpreters. Hopefully that message is clear for everyone. So Anastasia saying so for the conference, having one interpreter will definitely need a team of interpreters because of the amount of time so they can switch back and forth because they definitely get tired. Doesn't really matter what language we choose. We're going to need a team so they can switch in and out. Probably two to four interpreters. Okay. And so when they're up there on the stage along with the speaker, we'll have maybe one or two or four interpreters on stage. We'll definitely need a team because I don't know how many and I don't know how the budgeting will work on that. But Catherine might have some ideas. Catherine, I wanted to ask Catherine a question. And I wanted to tell them like in Chicago, we had interpreters, but I don't know who managed the CEUs for that. And I don't know if it will be the same as for us. But I know that Chicago, they gave us each two CEUs, every deaf person had every two interpreters as well. So there was more than enough interpreters at Chicago's conference. And the keynote on the stage, let's see, if you want to think about different sections where you have your own interpreter and bring them along with you so that you can check out different things at your will and they can go along with you. But I can't say that will always happen that there'll be someone available for you to just grab and take with you where you ever want to go. But it might help, it might be better. We did something like that. Emmanuel, did you, you were waiting? Yes, yes, thank you. I'm a French West, so I can help you to find a French interpreter who knows the ESL or ISL. So I can relate to them. So for my niche, I send you any address of interpreter interests. So I have a list of interpreter who knows ISL and ESL, how many interpreters you need. Anastasia says, well, when we have ASL interpreters in America, we have two per session. In universal sign language, you know, I haven't, in British sign language, I think there's two as well. So I don't know what Destiny or Milad, what your experience would be with ISL or what that would be. For me, ISL, ESL. Okay, yeah. It's a different situation. So I don't know. We must know how many interpreters you need to train them. Can I just say, so I, oops, sorry. Catherine, did you want to go ahead? Yes, I don't think we need, that's for us to figure out right now, right? That's the problem for the CNCF. So the CNCF, we'll see how many, and like what we want to help them is like, can we recommend agencies? Can we help them with what should be the official language? One thing that I think has to be clear is we cannot expect to have, well, first of all, there should be one main language, and I feel that since it's a European one, it's probably going to be international language that's going to be the main language. We cannot expect the CNCF to provide two interpreters for a specific country for each person, because that's a lot of coordination. It's very complicated, because if someone does not come, let's say we have two Hungarian sign interpreters, and then something that is sick, and then you have those, and those that are not available are not useful for other people. It's really complicated logistically. So we have to be realistic and see like, okay, we have international sign language. My question is like, I've seen you communicating, and I know you're all from over the world, and somehow you are able to communicate. So it seems to me like some, so I don't know what the ideal is, is international sign language accessible to most of you? It's like, because I've seen you talking, I cannot differentiate between ASL, of course, and whatever else you're talking. But what are the asks that, so we have to create recommendations, and what is something feasible that they can implement where it's accessible to most of you? Maybe it's not perfect, perfect. But again, like having specific interpreters with very specific language, which scales for once, for one attendee only, it's going to be very complicated, and it's going to be a logistical nightmare, basically. So and one thing that I mentioned to Anastasia is, we have to be careful how we frame things because we don't want it to sound like, okay, this is unreasonable and crazy, and then they're not taking us seriously, right? So we have to think a little bit what is the middle ground and what is feasible and good for everyone. So I know it's challenging. And I think that's why we should also kind of ask like WFD and so on, like, what are they doing? Because I think none of us actually hasn't experienced with international events. So maybe we need more information. But those are kind of my concerns. And I just wanted to voice them. And but the number of interpreters and everything, that's not something we need to figure out now. That's like the CNCF, we'll figure it out. We just say like, okay, here are agencies, you will know who registered, they will contact them, that's not our problem, right? So we're helping them but that's a little bit too much in the weeks basically for that. So this is Martin, and I would like to add something. Maybe if we have some deaf people using international sign, if they need specifically something for their sign language, like maybe Estonian or something like that. Is he maybe people that don't understand international sign? So how could we work with people like that? Wanted to respond to Martin. I would, Destiny's saying I would like to emphasize. Do you? Okay. So Milad, and everyone who is in the EU, okay. When you get your resources for you, you could see it send them to CNCF and find out what they're planning, or how they're going to operate it. And then you could speak to them directly or then Rob or Jay and myself or Jason could do some further negotiation via email with them and find out what is best for us about how many interpreters we need and which language specialties we require. And then we can advise them on what's best for us to make a proposal that the working group has come up with resources and send that into them. So that we're not, you know, freaking out over the logistics, you know, it's not really for us to worry about the logistics. We can give them resources to CNCF. And then I don't know, maybe they'll have a specific planner assigned to the project. And then we can keep in touch with them about what kind of interpreters will be best and what events need interpreting, et cetera. And so they already have a resource list so that they feel confident that they can that can source that for us. So and we can definitely say we'll work together if they need help, if they need, you know, any assistance at all. But we can hold on those decisions because CNCF is actually going to operate it and make those decisions. So if we want international universal sign language, we can certainly make those recommendations to them and they'll negotiate with them from there. And so that's what Rob and I did for Chicago. If we had any issues, we negotiated via email, and would say, Oh, that's not right. Or we prefer this or that. So and they were very receptive to that. Does that make sense? It does. Yeah, I think that sounds good as you're saying. And Destiny says, Well, yeah, we don't, we had a great learning experience in Chicago, but you will be again, a new learning experience for all of us. So I'm hoping that we could have more people stand up and say, Hey, here's what we need for interpreting. And this is what we need to provide. And we can learn from that. And I don't want it to be, you know, I don't want our expectations to be super high, though, because if we get there, and then we're overwhelmed, I want reasonable expectations on this front for everyone. So I don't know how we don't really know how it's going to work yet. We're hopeful. And we're not going to be afraid to make recommendations to them and hand them resources, but we don't know exactly how it's going to shake out. Does that make sense? Okay, I got it now. Okay, go ahead, Catherine, did you want to say something again? Sorry. Okay. So I think just because I think we could probably talk about this for an hour and we have lots of other things on our list. I think the best approach is really figuring out how other organizations who have done international events for deaf people, what's the best practice, right? And then maybe work on the document that Anastasia created, and then kind of come up with something more concrete. But I would really kind of want to know what they do because it is complicated. It was a lot easier in North America, right? So we have to acknowledge that it is a lot more complicated. And we need to find something that works for the deaf attendees and is not crazy for Linux foundation. And so we, we don't need to reinvent the wheel, right? Like other people have done it. So I think let's see, or like, and if you have other ideas for organizations to ask, please let us know. Let's reach out. Let's I think like now focus on reaching out an organization, asking them what are the best practices that you have identified, and then kind of put that into the document. I would also recommend trying to do that as soon as possible, because it takes time to plan. And last time we gave the CNC a very little time. So the more time they have, the better the experience, right? Because it's gone as again, it's going to be a little bit more complicated. So the sooner we can get that done, I think, the better. Anything else on that topic? Anastasia, you maybe? Um, Catherine, I will send an email to the World Federation of the Deaf today. And we can close this topic and pass it on to Catherine for other items that we wanted to discuss today. Okay. Um, okay, so CUBE Comparer scholarships are open. So everyone who wants to attend, please go ahead and submit that form. There are two questions that I wanted to have. And one, it says, please list any CNCF projects you have contributed to. It's very geared towards open source projects. So just put CNCF deaf and hard of hearing working group. It's not a project. So it can be confusing. But that's where you contribute. You're all contributors there. And then there's the other the last section where you are supposed to describe how you contribute. That's the most important part where they're going to base their decisions on whether you're going to get accepted or not. So I would recommend just if you want, I mean, you can just do it on your own. But if you want just do a Google Doc and share it with the team so we can help make that really strong. Because that's again, that's the key part of the whole document. So yeah, just like a call to action there. Don't forget to do that. And then Milad knows about that. So we have KCDs. We have these community groups on community.cncf.io. And these are local community groups and local events that are done all over the world. And Milad discovered one in Budapest. And he wanted to attend and we contacted it was very near work for me. Yeah. It's a lot of hearing people went to it. I was the one deaf person who is there. So it was a little difficult to have access. There were no captions. So it was a little difficult for me to do. But it was still important for me to be there as a deaf person. I needed to be there. So I was able to learn something. And so maybe for next time, maybe in December, because it's not too far off, maybe I'll try that again. And hopefully it will be more accessible. They'll be able to add something for me. But I can talk with them about what I needs, what kind of tools can be put in place for me. Yeah. So one thing that I talked with the CNCF is could we create accessibility pool like something resources that any KCD worldwide in so they're going to add in their registration forms. Do you need accessibility? That is not a question that is asked right now. So they're going to include that question. And then people can say what accessibility they need. And what we want is that the CNCF has like something where a KCD can go and say like, hey, I have someone who is definitely would like to attend. Can you help me with captions tool? Can you help me with whatever? Right. So I asked the CNCF and they have they want to do this. But like it's up to us to kind of help them create it. What do we need? Right. So so I think the good thing with the cloud native Budapest because we have Mark was very interested. He's the organizer. He was very interested in making this a great experience for me lot. Of course, it wasn't as great as it could have been because like there was there are no tools, right? So I think like, can we make a cloud native Budapest or guinea pig? Right? Let's let's see. They are willing to do that. What does cloud native Budapest not need? Yeah. Um, yeah. And then and then once that works, we say like, okay, let's have this as an official CNCF pool and then like any cloud native group worldwide can access that and we start kind of talking about that. So, um, it's great that we have a group. We have an organizer who's willing to do this, but it's up to us to kind of come up with what is that package that they will need. Um, so of course, first, we need to prioritize KubeCon EU, right? Because that's like, but like, I think like that is like, I would love to work on this as soon as possible too, just because we want to make those events accessible and as soon as possible. And something that they included already. So the CNCF is recommending everyone to ask accessibility questions, because they want to know what is the need. So they told everyone who has a group, you should include that into your form. Just to gather data to like, they have no idea how many people will need accessibility, because that question was never asked, right? So that's an important first step. And then the last thing I requested to remember that I think Milan and Rob were talking about creating or doing Kubernetes sessions and whatever. And I said, we could actually do our own community group. It's not virtual, it would be the same as the cloud native Budapest, but it would be like a virtual one cloud native signing meetup or whatever. And it could be you could do these tech talks there. And it would also be more discoverable. So other people would find that it's also online. And that would be like, start, we would start creating like content in sign language. And it could be like any sign language, right? Like whatever you kind of do or mix or whatever. But like, let's let's start creating and making that available. So people who are looking for events can see that that exists. And so, so I think that's great. So I did request that. It's still kind of pending because of KubeCon, I think, or whatever, but it should come soon. And I assume we'll have to know who is the manager or like the hosts. I think probably Rob and Milan for sure, because you wanted to do this, but you can have several hosts, right? Like you own basically that platform and that group, just as Mark works, does own the cloud native Budapest, like several people could be the host for that. So hopefully we'll have that soon. Any questions or comments regarding the community groups? Astasia saying, I do need also for like accessibility problems to be remedied in the UK, because I know we are working with them. And I know they're focusing on KubeCon EU now. And I plan to let them know that we can definitely give them some assistance on that as well. Awesome. And excuse me, this is Martin here. I'm having a hard time watching everyone. And it's kind of hard on my eyes, because it's very small. So I'm going to leave so I can get some second screen. So for about two minutes, I'll be gone. And then I will come back when I have a nice larger screen. Okay. So you're welcome to keep doing your thing. It's just I'm going to be stepping away from my computer. Okay. Okay, sure. And so the other thing is what I love to this is a long term kind of project, but I would love to start building a database of interpreters. And I asked the CNCF if we could do this. The idea is like it's all freelancers, no agency involved. So interpreters here get more money. And it's also more accessible, cheaper for the people hiring them. And they get more. So I think it's a win-win. So the CNCF had something similar like a speaker bureau. So you could like request speakers and whatever. So I was thinking something similar. And this is for interpreters all over the world might and people could say what kind of sign language they have where they're based if they want to do are available for doing things virtual or in person. It takes a long time because it takes a long time to actually find enough people. So it's useful. But the CNCF said they would be willing to do that or interested in doing that because they also want to have access to good interpreters. We could also try to provide training material because our yeah, I mean, our everything in Kubernetes is very specific. So how do you sign Kubernetes? What are all the so people can start getting used to it a little bit with the technical cloud native terms, making it a little bit easier. And so yeah, I was talking to Chris Anacheck and he was saying like, well, let's start with a Google form where we can start capturing all that information. So interpreters here as well. If you're interested, put your name down. It's supposed to be good for all of us. So yeah, and like if you know, I think first of all, what do you think about the idea? Because I like it. Yeah, because I don't know finding interpreters was difficult, right? So finding interpreters who are willing to do conferences, who are familiar with the space is even more difficult, right? Because it's not technology, it's like cloud native. So again, it's a long term project. But I think like as people see it and as interpret to see the benefits of kind of participating and learning about that and being more active, I think like it can grow. So hopefully maybe in a few years, you know, you have a really good database. The idea is that KCDs maybe you might just pull from that database, right? Like let's going back to the Hungary example again, maybe there's someone in Hungary and then just go there and they can find that interpreter who was kind of familiar with the terminology in our space. So if that sounds good, I think I'm just going to start a Google form stock and then we can just like put it in, yeah, link it in the agenda. So interpreters here can see it too. And you can also reach out to your interpreters and let's just start gathering names. And oh, and before I do that, I will do and ask all the questions that I think are important, like and then have that for review as well. Because I think it's straightforward, but maybe something I'm missing, right? Like what type of languages where they're based and so on, but maybe something I'm missing. So I'll share the draft whenever it's ready for feedback and then we can start gathering names. And I will answer that in a little minute when I'm done. So the other thing I was talking, so I was talking to Chris and a check as well. So the people who were there at Cubequan, you saw that there are awards. And I would love to see awards for companies that hire people with disabilities, right? Like companies and not necessarily like the big ones like Apple and Microsoft and the companies that actually have a lot of money. But I think that's a nice way of raising awareness. And then also like, you know, giving a shout out to companies who are making that investment. It's more, it's more of an effort in hiring a hearing person. And so we do want to celebrate that and kind of give them credit. So it's up for us to come up with a name. So I think we can actually basically do that in Paris. We have to come up with a name and probably also kind of figure out how we select a company. So we don't have to figure that out right now, but foods for thoughts. Any ideas or comments on that? Yeah. Yes, and if you can go and talk, if you would like, you can you can go ahead if you'd like to send me a print talk. Oh, one question I have is to show the committee, the community that we are planning to give an award to. It has to necessarily work with the awareness technology that you send that you send that we want to give to give an award. You send that we want to give an award to companies who are hiring people with disabilities. Okay. So my question is, does the company necessarily have to work in Kubernetes technology or it can be any technology? I think that's a good question. I think probably not like, I think they don't have to be like super into cloud native, but maybe somehow like in that space, right? Like use cloud native technologies or something. They don't have to be like very, very cloud native, but I think like a link would be important. Catherine, I think a link to the cloud native local opportunities might be something good if we had if we knew what was accessible and what efforts were being made, you know, so we could thank them. And also where people were working. If we could get some idea of where they were from KubeCon and and then have them be like a part of the cloud native community in terms of that, I don't know. Well, that's our goal, that's what he's saying. And that is to demonstrate hopefully to other companies who can see that and duplicate our efforts there. Yes. So so just to let those companies know if they want to hire people who are deaf to join their companies and grow that network, there are resources there. Yes. So what we can do is educate everyone and give them some visibility on it and educate them so they can know that there are resources there and they can feel more comfortable to move on with hiring more of us. And it doesn't have to be that hard. We can help make it more easier for them. So that will be something that we could do that other companies who've done it could partner with companies who have not to demonstrate that it is a possibility. It's doable and here are the resources you need to do that. So I don't know the right word for it. But when people can see someone else doing it and they can hopefully by demonstrating and educating make other companies still comfortable to do that as well and think, well, maybe it's not as bad as I thought. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I think we want to we also want to get to employers, right? Right now we're how do you make conferences more accessible? We started with the big ones. The second one is like, how do you make local events more accessible? The next one, which we really have to focus on because this is like an open source communities, like it's probably not gonna be that crazy, but it's like what do project needs to know like need to know, right? Like project owners and maintainers for so people can contribute to open source project. And then I think we want to do that with employers, right? Because that's actually the most important part of all, right? But so I think like as we work on those recommendations, I think yeah, we should also kind of see like how like how can we use that companies who want to educate, help educate other other companies who are kind of curious and want to know. So I think that's like a big that's going to be probably the biggest face in the biggest challenge just because there's so much it's much more difficult to make wins there. And so I think the award kind of leads towards that, right? And then kind of because we haven't really focused on employers yet. So I don't know if we can have people who actually or find employers who actually want to help at this stage just because we haven't made those we haven't really focused on that yet. But I think that's definitely should definitely be the goal of what we're working towards for KubeCon Paris. I was just thinking maybe we do like also like a Google forum where people can submit votes for companies that have hired people with disabilities and why so you can nominate people and maybe we kind of have that out there. Everyone here can can nominate someone the CNCF can share it on social media and we just do like a request out there and ask people like who do you want to nominate and why and then we make a decision based on that, right? And and how long they've been doing that. So that might be the easiest way to get started because obviously we don't know all the companies here and we should kind of allow companies that are not necessarily that don't have employees necessarily participating in these conversations also to be nominated. So what do you think about that? I like that. Justin says this is Jay. I was wondering if we could have a way of linking up people with disabilities like those who are deaf and hard of hearing. Sorry, can everyone see me OK now? Yeah, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Jay. Yeah, if we could have like deaf and hard of hearing folks or people with disabilities in general. Willing to talk about accessibility, inclusion and everything, sure. But their experiences that have been good or, you know, so so not so great or, you know, some or needs improvement, that sort of thing and maybe take a vote and have them vote for that company when they've had a good experience there. Maybe that's a way to do it. Destiny, I understand what you mean. So for example, like if you've had experience with your company, that's not been good. And we could offer to give them resources to help them improve their accessibility experiences for employees and in the hope that they will alter the way they do business and maybe become someone who is voted for in terms of a company receiving accolades in the future. So I don't know. Just, hey, it would be better for your employees if you do these things or utilize these resources. Or this is how you could support your deaf and hard of hearing employees. And if they do make a change, applaud them for it, you know, and maybe they could at some point get a most improved vote or something like that for making the effort. That's just an idea. I'm looking for the right words. I don't I don't know. But correct me if I'm wrong. But that's just the thought. And what did you say, Melod? Yes, I wanted to add on some experience. In my opinion, what I see is that each company is different. And so if we could look at their websites, they may say, oh, yeah, we agree. We need to have full accessibility, but they may not. It's not something you can automatically believe because sometimes it's just marketing and advertising. So companies may say things. But if you actually look at what they're doing, there's no experience of them actually doing what they say. So we need to make sure we approach that and specifically fight that. So, for example, just a couple of weeks ago, I had an interview with another company. Very well known company, very world renowned company. I think it's like the second financial company in the world. Morgan Stanley. So I wanted to look into that because they talk about accessibility and support. And I was curious whether they actually did that. So I sent a resume and CV to them. And the next morning, they said, yep, we're ready for an interview. And they said, you know, what do you need? Any sort of accommodations? I told them what I needed, like an interpreter. And if I were to work full time, I would need an interpreter because I want to make sure I'm able to work smoothly with my colleagues. And then for the last interview, I said, I do need captions. And if we can bring an interpreter, I felt like everything was looking great. And then the day of the interview, it didn't work out. They didn't know how to turn on the captioning. Everyone was very confused and lost about how to do that. And I had sent all of this information in email, but they hadn't followed through on anything. And they were very apologetic and they said, well, let's try next time. But then things kept getting delayed. They kept having to learn something new about how to make accessibility work. And it was going higher and higher up the chain. So obviously to actually provide the access wasn't as effective. Once we finally got everything working, the captions were there. But then they said, well, we can't have chat. I was blocked from using chat. Well, I'm not then able to access and give information from my sign. It was one of the worst experiences. So I encourage everyone for any kind of influence we can have on companies to make them go through the learning process so that the next time they are more prepared for other people, we need to keep pushing and providing these examples. I know websites can talk about having full accessibility, but I don't trust what I read on websites. Yeah, just I think that is something that I would love to do as part of the employer education. As well is how do I or best practice? I know you you've provided all that information, right? But yeah, I mean, there is a lot of ignorance or no experience or whatever. And people were apologetic, which is a good sign, right? Unfortunately, they didn't read it properly. But like providing guidance for employers while interviewing, for hiring, right? So ideally, if by the next interview, you can send them a link to a website versus like putting everything in there, right? So I think that that that will be really helpful, right? It will also help other people who may not know what to ask for until it actually happens, right? And you may forget things or something. So I think that that that is a good experience and it's kind of sad that it's happening with such a big company who should have more experience with that or a little bit. But I think that those are things that we can try to address as well. Going back to the award. So I think like that's something we have to kind of think about, like it's not like the CEO of a company should be able to to say, OK, I'm going to submit myself because I think our company is really great, right? So if we should kind of define like who is able to make those recommendations, like those nominations, maybe it should be someone with disabilities, right? With their own experience, we have to think about it a little bit. But yes, it should definitely not be someone who is not impacted by it and just believes it's a great company for or or a very disability friendly company. And they have no idea what the reality is. So we have to make sure that that is not the case, right? So I think, like, let's let's do that, right? Like, let's come up with a little form. Again, I think I would I put that as the third priority because the most important thing is like, figure out, keep on you, figure out community groups and then the award. We can do that a little bit in parallel. But I think those are kind of because there are a lot of things that we want to do. So I want to keep us a little bit on track of what is the most important thing. So if there are no. Other Oh, no, sorry, I almost forgot this last thing. And I know when I started, it was interesting in that. So while talking with Chris, I attack again, that's the CTO of the CNCF. He told me that there is a budget for creating educational material. The Linux Foundation has budgets for that. And it was like, oh, if there was anyone in this group who would like to do that, you know, in sign language or whatever, because that's like feel obviously that is not covered. There is a budget for that. I don't know how it looks like, but I assume like people are compensated for creating that. I know we have people on this call as well who would do that as a hobby. So I don't know if that's like some interest. I know Anastasia has interest in that. It kind of fits into the community groups thing as well. So that is more like live, but like it's also educational. So that, that would be really cool. I think to create content and a sign language about cloud native. So Anastasia, did you have any questions? I know that we were going to talk about that, but yeah. Oh, you're talking about the educational materials. I would need more, really more information on that. And like would need to come up with a plan. Yeah. I have to see like what I can ask for first, I wanted to ask like if there's anyone who's interested, right? And it's good to see that there is someone I can ask them for examples of other people who have created content for Linux foundation and have been compensated for that. Like what, what does it look like? And yeah, then we can take it from there. Right. And I think like it would be great to kind of combine it with the live community groups is like if we do that, if one of you does like a tech talk there, maybe do something a little bit more polished, but then like for an actual like long-term kind of video that lives a little longer. Yeah, I think it would be, I don't know, like combining that since there is an interest in that as well would be great. Yeah. I don't have too much information, but I will ask for specific examples so you can have a look at what that looks like. Maybe I can add something as well for content, technology content. About three years ago, I started doing some content on YouTube where I wanted to showcase more deaf people and to show the technology that they can learn. And up until now, it seems like the community has really grown. Honestly, worldwide it's grown. So now I'm starting to see more proof of how this works so that it's something we can actually show that there is accomplishment coming from it. So maybe we could support this and invest in it to make sure that that content is provided. It would take teamwork on how to get that up and running and get that content out there. So, but I do see YouTube as a fantastic place for content. I mean, millions of people watch YouTube in a month. So I think that would be a great place to put out the content. So I would suggest YouTube. Well, yeah. And the good thing or one thing that is beneficial doing it as part of the Linux foundation is that that gives a lot more credibility. Like, I know it's a huge name, you know, so it's like, I think like the YouTube is great too. I don't know where that that kind of content lives. But like whatever is done in the community groups can certainly be also like republished by the CNCF. But like leveraging the Linux foundation name and doing like signed content, technical content within that name also kind of is a totally different. Liga, right? Like so I think like if there is any way we can do that, I think that would be there. That would be just amazing, right? Because it shows also like the embracement from the Linux foundation and the support. So I think we need everything. Okay. So, but yeah, I don't have, I'll follow up with more information about what it is and where it would live. I think it would not live on YouTube, the paid, the one that is paid. Yeah. I was thinking of like, like Harvard University in the U.S. or any of the big universities, they'll have people sign some kind of talk, some educational talk and it's like a big platform is what I'm trying to say. And Linux would be a big platform as well. And it would be better than just one person putting out their own content somewhere. So it would be like the branding, the name would lend it cloud or credibility. And so just see what I'm saying. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm thinking too, if we really make sure it's good and open for, we want to make sure we want to teach as many people as we can. So like putting on a larger website so people are able to access and see it and be able to participate and teach other people, other deaf people and have a better reach would be great. We only have five minutes. So I know that we had some points from Martin and some deep. I wanted to be sure we get to those. Mark, do you want to go first? Okay, so I was talking about speech to text. So really quickly on this topic. With speech to text. I, there's really no way to focus on the machine. I mean, I know there's a lot of things growing on how to get the machine learning going and get the technology, but I specifically want to focus on connecting interfaces. So that way we'll have better captioning, better speech to text so that we're able to get all of that information in one central place where we can all build and grow on the technology. And I want to improve accessibility for everyone. So for one example. Maybe having five people who work together. Sharing ideas and all working together. So I think that would only make accessibility better for everyone. So it's important that it's an open source. And I know CNCF has people who have experience and working with this and that's great. They're very excited to want to do this, but I also am thinking of finding other people who are interested so that it's not too focused in one area. I think that was one idea I wanted to put out there. There are many out there where we can draw from, you know, and to kind of create one best place for that, that would be awesome. Yeah, I think if we can bring in lots of different places, it doesn't have to just be in one. And Sunday, we wanted to get to your message as well. Sunday. Sunday, did you want to comment on what you put in the chat or on the agenda? I've already put it in the document. Do you want me to speak it again? If you want to talk about it, you can, but you don't have to, your choice. Because I think we are running out of time. Maybe we can just continue the conversation on our Slack channel. Sure. Yeah, we can definitely do that. We always run out of time. Our meetings are full. So, so much to discuss. So it's, it's a little bit of a shame, but let's use our Slack channel to continue the conversation. I think that's a good, there's good way of pulling up. Does it sound good? Sounds good. Okay. I think one minute. I think we're there. And one month. Because the last week of December is a holiday, no. Oh, let me check. Oh, probably. We will probably try to switch it then. We have to look at the calendar and maybe we pushed it a week. Yeah, we'll have to check. I didn't, yeah. I didn't think about that, but yes, it's probably not a good time. Okay. I'm really happy to be meeting you all for the first time. Yes, we're excited you made it. So glad you showed up. Bye.