 I am James Swanik and today we are talking to Russell Belcher who is a 44-year-old father of four. He's Australian. He's a fellow Australian like me. He's the general manager of an Australian food processing company in regional New South Wales, which if you're not from Australia, New South Wales is one of the states of Australia. It's south of Queensland where I grew up. It's on the east coast of Australia. Russell, as of right now today as we're recording this, is 144 days alcohol-free, which is four months and 22 days. I'm pretty sure he's feeling pretty good. Russell Belcher, great to have you here, mate. How are you feeling? Thanks, James. I'm feeling great. Really good. Thank you. Why are you feeling great? What's the difference from when you were drinking? Well, I think it's about 11 o'clock out time. I would still be normally, under the stresses of work, I'd still be fairly hazy and foggy. It's not until you get through lunch and get something in your tummy that you start feeling a bit better. But yeah, I would still be feeling the effects of the night before, back when I was sort of drinking. So yeah, still fairly foggy at this time of day. But at the moment, I feel clear and feel great. Yeah. And what were you drinking and how much were you drinking? Maybe just talk us through your drinking habits before you ended up quitting. Yeah, look, I had a soft spot for Bourbon. I didn't really go much on beer or anything else, but Bourbon was sort of my choice. And yeah, I would sort of towards the end of my drinking journey, I was sort of drinking probably six of them a night, pre-mixed cans. And I'd go for bang for buck. So I'd sort of hit 10% or 12% of these pre-mixed cans. And I kept going up and started at 4.8, go to six, then into 10 and then 12 because after a while, it was not only costing me more, but the effects wouldn't be there. So you hit something a bit stronger. So yeah, it was really, those type of drinks were really knocking me around towards the end here in my health. Yeah. Well, we want to talk a bit about what the results have been of you being four months and 22 days alcohol-free in a little bit, but just paint a picture for us. Just tell us a little bit about your life and where you grew up and what you do and married life and being the father of four kids. Just tell us a little bit about yourself, Russell. And I might just ask you, just maybe speak a little bit closer into the microphone if you can, just so it will be louder. Thanks, mate. I get too close. There's no filter on the zoom, is there? So, my story is probably a little bit boring in that there's really no profound sort of changes in my appearance, so to speak. But in terms of my past and my family life, I'm a breezy boy born and raised. For those of you who don't know what breezy is, it stands for Brisbane, which is the city that I grew up in in the state of Queensland. So, you'll probably hear some Aussie slang during this because we'll go, oh, I'm a breezy boy. Just means I'm from Brisbane. Yeah. So, the west side, you know, Springfield, which is where I grew up and spent, yeah, all my life there, except for these last six and a half years that I moved down here, our career move. After a failed marriage, had two beautiful kids to my previous wife. She was my high school sweetheart. We were together for around 20, 22 years, something like that. And yeah, we parted ways. I moved down here as a career change and met another young lady, and we've had two kids since then. So, back earlier in my time, and probably before my drinking days, I was a proficient race car driver. So, I drove a lot of race cars and that was my life for a very long time, until sort of money and career sort of ran out of time and ran out of money with two kids and then sort of breaking up and getting divorced didn't go well with the finance side of things. So, yeah. That was then that I sort of hit the bottle, I guess, if you'll. Yeah. So, was that, when you say hitting the bottle, I'm assuming you mean kind of like your drinking habit started to increase noticeably. Was that after you'd moved down to New South Wales, or was that immediately after the ending of your first marriage? Like, what phase of life did you notice that it went from kind of like, ah, just being kind of a non-threatening habit to all of a sudden being noticeably detrimental to your life? Yeah. Well, I'd never been a big drinker. I didn't like the taste of it. And with my racing and the cars, I never had time to drink and I had to be sort of like an athlete. So, I was always playing, never did drugs, never did any of that growing up. So, it wasn't until after I stopped racing and then through the divorce that I, well, actually prior to the divorce, I was a social drinker. So, I would drink on weekends and sometimes, but if I didn't have it, it sort of didn't worry me. Once the divorce sort of took effect, then I really hit it pretty hard. And it went from zero to 100 really, really quickly. And look, I may have had a problem before that, but that's the point in my mind where I sort of, I knew that things were a little bit different and my intake was certainly increased. So, yeah. So, when you noticed that your intake had increased and you became aware of it, what did you try to do to change it, if anything? Yeah, at that point, I didn't do anything because I was still, I didn't realize, I didn't realize exactly how big my problem was or if it was a problem. And look, I would, I would not, I would sort of drink on social addings and stuff, but most of the time I drank at home. And it felt good. So, I didn't really think it was a problem in those early stages. It wasn't until I started sort of climbing the ladder in my job and stuff and things started to get stressful. And then that's when I really, that was when it was really profound. And sort of, I sort of figured that, yeah, my intake was like, it went from, say for example, drinking on Saturday and Friday, Saturday, Sunday pretty hard to have one Monday, then it creeped into Tuesday. So before too long, I was drinking every single day. Yeah, it was really starting to hurt my, not so much my health, but my, you know, my productivity, my family, you know, that's, that's the real, that's, that's what hit the hardest, you know, yeah. And how did it hit your productivity and how did it hit your family? Well, yeah, with family, what I found is particularly, you know, starting again at, you know, the age of, you know, 38, nearly 40 with a brand new family and two kids, two young babies. Coming to New South Wales, we didn't know anyone. We didn't have any friends here, you know, family and friends were 1200 kilometers away. We didn't know anyone here. You know, my wife, stay at home mum, or everything was sort of on my shoulders to, to keep us going in terms of the work and the financial situation. But what I found is that I just wasn't present. You know, I just wasn't, I wasn't enjoying those opportunities with my children. I didn't look forward to them. All I looked forward to was that, was that escape of that, you know, having a few drinks. And in fact, you know, I'd get to, you know, say one, two o'clock in the afternoon. And I would, well, you know, I've only got a couple of hours left to wait until I've cracked that first drink because that seems reasonable, you know. And so, yeah, I wasn't really present for the first couple of years of them being born. I did what I had to do as a father, as a provider, but I didn't go above and beyond the way a good dad should. Yeah. And that's what really, and that sort of, that sort of also transferred into my relationship with my wife because she could see that I wasn't totally present. She'd never really raised that with me. She'd have a go at me every now and again about my drinking, but she would never really bring it to the front of the table. You know, I would say, you've got probably to do something. Because I'm not an aggressive type of drinker or anything like that. I sort of like to be left alone when I was drinking. But, but I would, I would in fact, you know, say some silly things or stuff that was out of character. So that's when things would sort of escalate between me and her and she could see some changes there when I was drinking in my behavioural stuff. So, yeah. You sent me a photo just before we started speaking here. And the photo that you sent me is a photo of you with your daughter, Harmony. I'm not sure how old she was at the time, but do you want to just explain and describe that photo and what you notice about it? Yeah. I think that photo sticks out. I don't have many photos of me, you know, sort of drinking and partying, but that one stood out to me as I was clicking through because she's about, I think she's about three there. Anyway, I'm standing there drinking and she looks as though she's trying to get my attention, but I'm another world away and I'm not even looking at her acknowledging it, you know. And that stood out to me because I felt that that's sort of a representation of the father I was when I was drinking, just not being present, not enjoying the moment with your kids. And I do regret that. I really do. When you said that your wife had a go at you about your drinking, what kind of things would she say and when would she say them? It would normally be after I say something silly, you know, or it would normally be how it would normally escalate would be that I would raise something that I would never normally raise, you know, while not under the influence, you know. Therefore, that would be totally out of character for me out of the blue and she would react to that. And then before you know it was sort of in a stout shot. It would be, you know, during that conversation or the next day that she'd say, you've got to stop drinking, you know, you're drinking too much or peel it back a bit, you know, dial it back. Don't drink as much as you are. Because I was sort of the all or nothing type of guy, like I can't have one or two. That's just not in me. I'm just all in. So, you know, I get to a point where I'd have a skimful and I would just keep going until I know I like myself, you know, go to sleep, wake up the next day, sleep in and then be foggy for the next day, not wanting to go out or do activities or have family time, just sort of climb back in my cave and just leave me alone, you know. So, you know, an afternoon's worth of drinking would turn into, you know, sort of two days and not being present with my family. So. And then you mentioned it was affecting your productivity at work as well. Tell us about that. Yeah, well, look, I sort of think I'm sort of superhuman, you know, in that regard. I think my drinkers probably are because, you know, to get through what I did and to achieve what I did even while I was drinking the way I was, it's really remarkable, to be honest. But what stood out for me is that, well, if I can achieve what I'm achieving while I'm drinking, what could I achieve when I'm not, you know, and get, you know, sort of let off the chain and do what I should be doing and achieve more things, you know. But as I said, you know, before prior to 12 o'clock, prior to midday, like, I'd be there, I'd be there in spirit and I'd be making decisions, but were they the best ones? How much revenue did we lose, you know, how much, you know, downtime, you know, just through silly choices or mistakes that I would make because I wasn't clear and I wasn't present in that moment, you know. And as a team leader, leading, you know, a couple of hundred people, it's unacceptable. Yeah. All right, well, we're about to get to the benefits you've experienced from being consistently alcohol-free. But firstly, like, was there a moment where you decided enough is enough? Was it a period of time? Was there an incident? Was it just something that you've been thinking about for a year? Like, what was the moment or the phase that finally got you to take action? And what was the action that you took? Yeah. So, James, for me, it was, I had known in the last couple of years, I was really conscious of my, the amount I was drinking per day and I was conscious of how much that was costing not only my wallet and, but, you know, productivity wise, my career, my health. But I continued not to do anything about it. So, if you like, you know, a typical day for me would be, you know, getting to the end of the end of, like, you know, probably 10 or 12 hours a day at work, then, you know, probably four hours of drinking and then trying to squeeze family and all the rest of that into it. But what I found, James, was that I would go to bed. I would sleep really good for about four hours. Then I would wake up at two o'clock in the morning, three o'clock in the morning, and I could not get back to sleep. And I was, I would do that. That happened for so long, like, more than I can remember, you know, probably a year or two that, you know, yes, I'd get to sleep and it would be great. But I'd wake up continually every single morning at two or three o'clock, one to go to the toilet, but then I couldn't get back to sleep. I'd then wake up. When it was time to wake up, I couldn't wake up. You know, so I was a zombie for the first six hours at work, because I just hadn't had enough sleep, you know. So I went, you know, going through those stages and it was really starting, as I was sort of getting older, it was really starting to take its toll on me, you know. And I was sort of just scrolling through Facebook and your ugly mug popped up. Anyway, I clicked like on it and, you know, the Facebook thing, you know, it'll, it'll thanks no to that. So it keeps, you know, pushing stuff into your feet. Anyway, you just kept popping up. And, and I think I clicked you an email to get some more information about the P90, Project 90 program. I think then we had a call. And I think the second call where we, where we discussed the program, I think you, you actually, that was the 23rd of April. That was a Thursday. And then the 24th, I had my first call and I was alcohol free from the 24th. So yeah, it was big, you know, just jump straight in with two feet. And I was all into that. So I haven't had a drop since. Yeah, amazing. And, and I don't want this to be like a, we just tell everyone how great Project 90 is. And so, but I'm just curious, like what, what was effective about going through that process that maybe, you know, you're doing it on your own previously, you know, that hadn't worked. What was it about going through this process that made it work? Well, okay. If, you know, I relate this to, you know, those early mornings being awake and not knowing why, you know, two or three o'clock in the morning. And I would tell myself every single day that I'm not going to drink tonight. I'm not going to drink tonight. I'm not going to drink tonight. I'm not going to do it. And every single day, I would, you know, but every single morning, I would say that. And it got to the point where I tried a couple of times. So, okay, I won't drink during the week. I'll just drink on weekends. And you find yourself just longing through it through the week, you know, and you just, you know, abstaining from it. And it's not fair because you can't drink. That brainwashing, you know, I couldn't do that by myself. I couldn't get that out of my head, you know. When I joined the group, yeah, it was a little bit, I was a little bit scared, to be honest, you know, I'm not a, I would put it this way. What was attractive about the program was that in a small regional town in New South Wales, I could not walk into a meeting, an AA meeting or something like that and have everyone know who I was. I just, I couldn't do that. So, I liked the program because it, although I know a lot of people now through the program, yeah, I had that sort of anonymous talk. No one knew who I was. So, I could be completely open. I could be myself. But I would say what was different about the program as to trying to do it myself is that there's some key fundamental systems and processes there that are easy to follow. There's a camaraderie with the team and other members that you just can't get. And you can't get that, I certainly couldn't, I couldn't get that from my wife. She didn't understand. She's not a drinker. But that camaraderie in the group, and it's still there now, even, you know, I finished P90 a long time ago, but it's still there through other platforms. And I've made friends for life through that. But that, it's kind of like, you know, going to a personal trainer or a group training thing. You know, when it's in a group, you always want to try harder. You know, I'm competitive. So, you know, I wasn't going to be the one that got on there and said, I've had a drink, you know, I want to see it through. So then there's all those types of aspects that really helped me succeed through that, through that 90 days. There was, there are some tough times, you know, there's no silver bullet, but I found leaning on some of those other team members was really helpful for me. And it's fantastic. So what did the process teach you? Or what did you learn from the process about yourself? And then I want to ask you, you know, what were some of the benefits that you felt and saw? And more particularly, what other people saw as well? I'm curious about what your wife said, or what other people that know you have said about your change. So there was a few questions in one. But yeah, what did you learn about yourself during the process? I think the most profound thing I learned, because in the program itself, there's members from all over the world. What I learned was that I'm not special. I'm not crazy. You know, every single other person was going through exactly the same thing I was. And I see people going through the program now that through different stages that was exactly the same as me. So they were thinking the same way they would have done all the same things that I did, you know, so I learned that it's not you as an individual that has this problem. It's, you know, this can quickly sort of, what's the word, it can quickly swallow you up with your own thoughts about you being dysfunctional or whatever. But it's really true that although you may not know, a lot of other people are going through exactly the same thing, but they just don't share it, you know, and in that group and in that P90 program, I really learned that. And that was probably the biggest takeout from that program. The effects and what people see now, I guess, probably haven't seen all of the benefits because of COVID has sort of been locked down. But, you know, a lot of my friends, they joke and they said they want their old Russell back. That's only because I'm a bit of a joker, you know what I mean? And I'm fairly jovial. And they were afraid that I would lose that, you know, but I haven't lost that. That's still in me, you know, but I get a few drinks in me and that's, you know, it's exaggerated, you know, by 100. But yeah, that's been the biggest thing is that I'm still the same. And people have recognized that, you know, they just can't believe I don't drink anymore. Yeah. And my wife sang. So yeah, coming home earlier, spending time with the family, family activities on weekends, just waking up and being able to do that has been, you know, great, you know, so yeah. When you, when you were mentioning Harmony before, I think she's five and you have another child who's six years old, I think, and you have some older children who are 18 and 17 from your first marriage. Yeah. But do they live with you? I'm assuming you're only with the five year old and the six year old, is that right? Yeah, Harper and Harmony down here with me and my oldest two are back in Brisbane. Yeah. And so with Harper and Harmony, six year old and your five year old, how has your relationship or your presence or your connection changed with them since you've been four months alcohol free now? Well, I would say it's changed just due to the time that I'm spending with them and the activities that we do. I really think, you know, kids are really smart in that regard. And I think they really, they do know, they do understand and they do pick up that those vibes, you know, that, that dad's here and, you know, so I'm flat out now to be honest, you know, they drag me off to ride bikes and throw rocks and do all types of silly things. But that's great, you know, because, you know, I, I'm sort of getting to do that again, you know, and I'm getting to be a bit of a kid myself, you know. Also, the important thing is I was so busy at work with my first two and, you know, trying to build my career, even though I wasn't really drinking that much back then that I missed some of those times with my, my oldest two. So, you know, to have that happen again would be an absolute shame, you know. So, I'm really glad that I sort of came across the program and that, you know, I took the steps I have to, to capture, you know, these early times of their life and be present in them. Yeah, wonderful. How about your work and your productivity? How has that shifted and also relationship with your wife who was probably, you know, like she, she said a few things about your drinking, right? So, so how's work shifted, productivity, and then how's your relationship with your wife shifted? Well, look, the work things, it is difficult because since being alcohol free, I have been really tested, you know. There's been a few changes at work, changes within the company. I would say the last three months have probably been the last, yeah, been the hardest of my whole career. But what's different about that is being alcohol free, if I hadn't have been alcohol free, those problems, issues, whatever, would just be compounded by the fact that I feel insecure, I don't have confidence, I can't make decisions, you know. But I've been able to get through this period alcohol free and remain alcohol free and come out the other side. When I say come out the other side, it's not all over yet, but it's, you know, I'm sort of still going through some things there. But I am in much better shape to take anyone on than what I would have been, you know, six months ago. So that's, it's been a big game changer in terms of my career. It's also got me looking outside of my current sector that I work in and what can I do in terms of investing? What can I do in terms of, you know, building other businesses? What could I get into outside the industry that I'm in now to, you know, open up some new doors? So I'm really looking forward to the future. I think that there's more that I can do, there's more that I can offer, companies and people. So yeah, I'm really looking forward to that. My wife, she's hard working, you know. She's always been hard work, you know. So, but she, oh look, you know, she's okay. She's a good wife. You know, she works hard, you know, she's the stuff and she's a good person. You know, I haven't acted the way I should as a husband, you know, during the, you know, drinking alcohol and things like that. However, you know, we always have our ups and downs. We have our ups and downs now even being alcohol free. But what I will say is this, I've got better comebacks now that I'm more clear, you know. I've got better arguments now that I'm more clear. You know, I would normally cower and just give in, you know. But now I could stand up to her, man. I'm more clear and present in the argument. And yeah, I'll put my arguments forward. But now it is much happier, mate. It is a lot better. I feel a lot better in myself, a lot more confidence. And I'm certainly sure that she's seen that even sometimes, you know, it's pretty hard. Yeah. One of the things I really liked was inside of our Project 90 program, we have this phone app where you can send little video selfies to one another to other members in the group. And some of the things that you did was play some music. You're a musician. Tell us a little bit about that and whether you've noticed any change from being alcohol free with your music. Yeah. Look, you know, yeah, I have James. And I don't want this to seem like everything's so fantastic now. But you know, the clarity is there. Memory is coming back. You know, a lot of those focuses is one of the things that, especially with music that, you know, whereas I might have practiced something over and over for weeks, I could sort of pick up in a couple of days now. You know, I think it's just that focus and, you know, memory and stuff. But yeah, look, I dabble a little bit. Am I any good? I don't know, the jurists are there. But I enjoy it because, you know, when I sort of hung up the helmet from the racing days, I'd always been into music, but I'd never had the time to do it. And now music doesn't cost me anything, you know. And, you know, it just cost me my time. I put some time into it. And I really enjoy sort of playing and yeah, just that it's it's it's company and it's relaxing and it's challenging. So I like it. You also said that you've you've tracked how much money you've saved as a result of being alcohol free. And you've also tracked how much time you've saved. What what are those figures that you figured out? Or that you? Yeah, from from from the time I stopped, I think we're nearly we're almost at the four thousand dollar mark with in terms of money saved, which is fantastic. It doesn't sound like a lot, but it really is, you know, it really is to us, you know, being a young family and not having a lot. So it really is, you know, taking I think back now taking four grand away from my family and out of their mouths and what they miss out on. I really feel guilty about that. You know, so in terms of hours, I sort of clocked up 600 hours, you know, that's just drinking time that doesn't include downtime because I'm hungover or that's actually just sitting there having, you know, spending four hours drinking and not, you know, so that yeah, the hours are actually a lot more than 600. But that's, you know, it's pretty hard to quantify, but, you know, 600 is, you know, so I use an app that sort of calculates that. Yeah, that's incredible. So if we do, if we figure out 600 hours divided by 144 days is four hours. Yeah. So four hours a day, you were spending drinking alcohol, not being present, yeah, creating fogginess and poor sleep and lack of productivity. Not at home. Yeah, not at home with my family having dinner, you know, not helping my youngest with his homework, you know, all those things, you know. Yes, that's, uh, yeah, 600 hours divided by 24 hours in a day is 25 days. Yeah, it's nice. That gives like 25 days straight and not even with a break, you know, so and that's only in four and a half months. So if we double that, well, if we just say it was four months, if we times that by three, that's 75 days a year, which is, uh, 30, 60, two and a half months a year spent consuming alcohol. Yeah, I mean, and when I looked at those figures, so, well, you know, in what, what else can I do with those four hours? Those four hours I could learn more music. I could learn another job. I could learn another skill. You know, I could really invest my time in, you know, having something pay off, pay me back instead of washing it down the toilet if you like. So we're to now Russell with, in terms of your drinking and in terms of your outlook and what's next, um, in terms of living this alcohol free lifestyle? Yeah, well, for me, um, short term is, uh, you know, I got through the program, which is 90 days, three months. Um, my next goal was to hit six months, which, you know, uh, I'll hit that next month. Um, once I hit that, then, you know, um, I'll reevaluate, um, but I'm looking, I'm looking at long-term. So, uh, I'm looking at going all out, you know, I'm just not drinking at all. Um, that, that, you know, it seems even at the point I'm at now, it does seem difficult, but, um, I think I'm up for it. I've got through what I've got through, uh, through some pretty hard times in the last four months, nearly five months. So I don't think there's anything else that can be thrown at me, um, that I wouldn't be able, you know, I can deal with it alcohol-free, you know. So yeah, post six months, um, I'm looking long-term to go alcohol-free, um, well, yeah, forever. So it actually sounds like the moment that you quit alcohol was, um, turned into the most challenging that work could have been, like there was all this stuff that was thrown at you. And so you actually imagine you trying to deal with all that stuff while you're spending four hours a day drinking and being foggy. So it's, it's not like people quit drinking and all of a sudden life becomes perfect and that there's no challenges. You actually had more challenges thrown at you the moment that you decided to go alcohol-free. And yet not only were you able to handle it, it seems like based on what you're sharing, you were able to like handle it really well and, and, and almost, you know, thrive in it, even though it feels messy at times, right? Oh, a hundred percent, you know, and, you know, I kick myself, James, because how I'm 44 now, if I didn't spend those, you know, a few years, probably 10 years, you know, heavy drinking, where would I be? You know? And, you know, they say you can't look back, but I'm looking forward now. So looking forward to using that time, using that money, investing it in, you know, myself, investing in my family, investing in our future. And, and I know that, you know, I'm just not the type of guy that can have one or two or drink on the weekends or I'm just, I'm just not made up like that. And I think when you get to that realization of who you are, and the program helps you with that personality and who you are, it makes you ask a really tough questions about yourself. And I worked out that it's just not me, you know, I can't be a social drinker. I'm all in, you know, so that's off the radar from it, you know, I'm investing in my health and my future. Russell Belcher, 44 from Regional New South Wales. Congratulations on four months and 22 days today as we're recording this, but I'm sure by the time someone watches or listens to this, you'll be considerably more than that. And also just want to say thank you very much for your incredible positive contribution to our group and our community, because you were always very supportive of other people. Not only did you ask for help and support, you also were forthcoming with help and support for other members. So I want to acknowledge and thank you for that. And I wish you all the best yet, mate. Yeah, thanks, James. I should say that, you know, it's probably well known that you've interviewed some pretty big names in your time, you know, and you still continue to do it. But this is probably one you tick off your bucket list, right? It took me a while, but you finally got me, mate. 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