 Welcome back Lakeland sports. Here we are after practice. BSU men's practice just completed and we're with Vance Ballstead, Longtime, Zam, Boney Driver, 4 of Amity State University, and so many other things on campus. Vance recently retired and is now working part-time, right? Vance at the Sandwich Center during hockey weekends. Right. Very, very part-time. I'm just working some games, so I get the best part of it. I don't get the day-to-day business. Well, I mean, there's obvious differences between the Sandwich Center and the John Glass Fieldhouse, but maybe one of the things that we don't know about is the difference in the ice. Could you explain that a little bit? There's got to be some difference that I imagine. Well, one thing I've noticed is that the ice remains a little bit more soft here, I think, than John Glass was. Over the years, we've had teams complain because John Glass was soft and I've seen that here maybe even a little bit more so. I talked with a gentleman that was telling me that when you bring in a crowd of people, each one is the same as a 45 watt light bulb with the heat. When you put in 4,000 people in here, that's a lot of heat, so as the evening progresses, the ice gets a little softer, but it is a heck of a facility that is somewhat different with people on both sides. I got an opportunity to ask you maybe some of the hockey questions and I think there's probably some obvious ones with the 1984 undefeated season, but how about some of your favorite teams at PSU? Obviously, the 84 program was really something. We started out where we were winning and it was really fun and thinking this was really great and then we kept winning and I started thinking I hope it doesn't go to the boys head and I kind of wish that maybe they'd lose one to kind of relax and then all of a sudden it's going, no, let's take them all. People laugh when I would say, well, that's one of my kids and they always wondered how many kids did I have? But they're all my kids. They're away from home, they need, sometimes they needed somebody to talk to, to cry to, you know. When I was working 3.30 to midnight, they knew I was always there and it was a good time, but then again it was a very sad time. I know that they appreciated it and I appreciated the fact that they trusted enough of me to come see me. That's what I miss about being retirement are the students. I don't miss the everyday rigors of going down the stadium and cleaning press boxes and that stuff. I miss the kids. Before here at the Sandford Center, how much longer do you want to do this? Well, you know I hadn't intended on coming over here at all. They contacted me and they said we want to carry over some of the tradition. We're filling up the snow. That's what I'm looking for. We want to carry over the tradition and I said they wanted to carry some of the old to the new and I said well that's definitely me. I'm old and so this is my second year. I don't know how much longer I'll stay. I wanted to stay at Young Glass for 40 years. I made it for 36 seasons so I was close. Different, are the corners different than this ring too? A little bit different than the corner. Hey, here we go. I'm on a little snowball fight. You want to be part of it. You're part of it now. Thanks so much for this. Hey, I enjoyed it very much. A trip around the ice with Vance Ballstead here on Lakeless Sports.