 Ya ni ubombo klatiya ni maze, lagini sere kali sengi na ubombo klatiya ni with lack of a better time to use. Iyo, how many guns ta bro? All right, mamu vipi mpaizim taza majo, espm bars. Mpashio TIV, 2kona nama 1 artist in Africa, Kali Grafdons. Awa dwin na afadda, ammenta to many in the industry. I got father, Kali Grafdons, welcome back. This is espm bars and Mpashio Exclusive. Thank you very much, brother. Thank you for having me, Iko Sao, mamu vipi. Mamu fresh, always a blessing. Let me give you a minute, you have a s**t. All right, let's go. Wendelina Mamuakwa. Wendelina Mamuakwa. Buddha, Hongera, tomono me kwa award dwin na your best collab o kwa me with harmonize. Ime kwa imezakushinda 2zopale East Africa Awards. What was the feeling? Anafil Fiti na fry. Most importantly, kushukuruma fans because they made it possible for that to happen. Awa naskiya poa, nikopoa, yeah. Kali Grafdons, let's talk about Koke Studio. It's your second time you being featured on the Koke Studio. What is the feeling now working with Nikita Kareem? It is not the second time. Very many times, bro. This is like the, I don't know, fourth one. Yeah, but I mean Nikita is a different breed. Of course, she's different with her music and everything. The vibes and Ili Kwa very dope experience working together. Ili Bamba and I can't wait for the people to see what we made together because I'm pretty sure they're going to be happy for that. Yeah, yeah. Let's talk about Koke Studio experience. You as an artist, a Kenyan artist presenting African artist on a Koke Studio platform. What is the feeling? The feeling is A1, A1 since day one Afil Fiti. And I always try to the maximum of my abilities to represent Kenya on this level. And any time I'm on this level, then rest assured, you know, I always give it my best. And I always try my best to also ensure that I don't embarrass my people. So yeah, good feeling. Nakamakawa we deliver 100%, yeah. All right, you're certified No. 1 Kenyan artist because we've seen many great rappers in 254. You impressing the other artists, the legends in front of you. What is the feeling of acknowledging and giving flowers to legends Kamakina Nyashinski? Ah, it is very important because they set the pace for this game to be where it is right now. Of course, anatwizi se mati, ah, eh, ueskwa ignorant kwa se mati awo yani hawa jia play role. So it is always very essential that we give flowers where necessary because even right now pemi na ingia level yaku kwa, you know, jwa pioneer. And I would expect that the guys who are coming up, you know, to give me my flowers when it's my time and even right now na una. So I feel like it is, it is well deserved kwa and they need their flowers because they made it possible for us to be where we are today. And so the big shout out to the OGs who started doing this before us na munguazi di kwa bariki. Minimal pressure is doing very great calligraph. When you take time to produce hits, it's become an anthem. Ukwana ele ni chu na jwa Kenyan atakuskianini, but the message through minimal pressure, it speaks out, you see, the government's youth opportunities. Why do you always want to say it loudly? See, because I believe msa nindi omouth PC as a society. So na una kama nini yangu responsibility yangu ni kuputisha message. Ile sentiment zahat wala kwa ground wana feel na because wata kwa ground sas ngina wana platform, I take it upon myself to put, I put myself in that position where I act as their mouthpiece. So I'm just expressing myself but on behalf of the people because na mihubili msa nini kiyo kiyo cha jamii. Yeah. Of course you are when kiyo a jamii. Calligraph with a busy schedule all the time. You always see you create time for your family. Una chezana familiar. At times tumugona pahale kone omolos mansion. Inakwa juna balance usani, una balance family time, una investment zaku sawa. Una ifanya tu sababu si po ifanya piya kuna mutua taku fanya una una. So ina bidi tu una ifanya, una ifanya tu fanya una waza. Atuna blueprint ekitwala zingine piya sisi u guess. Zingina 20 sematisawi know everything. I don't know everything. Zingine tu nendelea tu fanya ina henda na inakwa. So tu na jaribu ekitwala. Isi po piya we live to try another day. Yeah. Calligraph you said on this example you've invested back to your art. Ukona studio ya kwa ukona management of anya kazimzuri. We've seen you doing investment projects omolos mansion going out very well. Yesterday we saw it, the other day we saw it online. You congratulating Mula Mua for the mansion anendelea. You've always championed for artists to invest back at least at Anuwe Kiwanja while investing back to Atyao. Yeah, yeah, I feel like it's been a long time coming and for the longest time kunaile narrative ya miskumyanga wasa ni wasa ni tu ni wa tuwale hawa na mpango ya ni wa tuwale wana patapesa na wana ibloyote. Na nilikachi ni kaona ya ni kaangali atuiki tu being in my position or in my level ni vizuri sa mimi kuone shawasa ni ya ni kuapatu ekzampu na kwa ambiya si lazima kilasai kuwe tunatokiana pay bill numbers kitu ya kwa ansam sa ni nafa kwangali anisekiriti ya familia ya kena hema nye. So that's why I need to go na push wa say wa invest kwa I mean real estate kwa you know things of that sort na niki onata mse kama mula mwa na jenga mi na elewa yo janya ku jenga because I'll not lie to you we don't have we spend millions on building we don't have that money oku niliza sayi kali mula mwa nga pi umkona ya kuja nga tunanga yo do dakinu kwa zaki tu mungo ezi kuwa chili agatikati so umtukam mula mwa ya ni of all the guys kwa mula mwa is also a guy just came up the other day jamai piga mansion ya kepo light na kwa niki ya ni kitu nafa kukomendi yo job because yo jamai kona mindset fiti and that's the direction we need to take as not only as artists but entertainers in general yeah Alright a colleague have you mentioned mula mwa mula mwa came through the limelight via social media platform tiktok instagram now the other day we saw it on parliament they have a bill they are proposing to suspend to to ban tiktok in Kenya you being an artist most of artists now benefit with tiktok being a platform whereby the air that distribute their music to their fans or their fans get a chance to listen to the music what do you have to say about that? ya ni u bumbu klatia ni maze lagini se re kali sayi na no bumbu klatia ni with lack of a better time to use yo how do you the country is in a place where by right now we have the level of you know unemployment you call above the roof way over the roof unauna en dile kituile platform wato me pata moji akutengeneza kupata pesa dio na takaku kuja kuse mati na takaku block from Kenya ya ni kuma ni shea na takaku render millions of Kenyans jobless so instead of you coming and saying and to some extent ulikonona jamako na pointe na sama there is bad content on on taketok kujo seme we need to come up with strategies on how we can be able to regulate the content on taketok so that it see effect wa toto lakini kise mo wa takaku close taketok ena manisha ona takaku kwangusha community na watu wa taku watu wa taku chapafibasa na jia kitu kama iyo iyo nukuleta civil war ina ina kwa ineza kwa ambaya yo ni baya iweze kani ya ni so I'd rather come up with ways on how we can be able to regulate the content that our kids see out there but don't say you want to take off the whole thing it is impossible that kind of hata mime nyesi kwa taketok baya there lakini na ya ni naongi atu ya ni exactly kwa na kwa taketok me ni gangsta bro alright calligraph Jones you being a father a role model to many raising your family in the right way recently we saw president of comedy Africa Eric Komondi Munga Memarikina family you being there before than Eric maybe I don't know if you get a chance maybe you talk to Eric a message now to advise him I am very happy that Eric finally found himself right now Eric anapiganiya for the right cause and even if Eric was to decide to vibe for parliamentary seat right now I would gladly vote for the guy because you know naskwezi po inza kese kwa very valid jamaa ame sa idea wa tuengi and I think you guys even as the medium na faku shine light on vitukama doa sirudi tena kwa zile mamboa li kwa na fanya istori na fanya nasamanga pituzengine whether na fanya whether it's for clout or whatever as long as in asa idea community those are the things we need to see so Eric big up on that and also for the fact that you have you're a new father right now man it is a beautiful journey of course challenging kiviake but mambo ita kwa sam and all the best congratulations you and your wife alright calligraph mwake na isha my fans were asking since the years started calligraph atatua kia og live lini they wanted your one man show I don't know if they had any plan one man show buddhan is on if it to me nilisha pita yo level na not to say that ones you wanna do it ni bro me me me me perform me me me perform in countries that young niggas never been na been been in unaona you are never been in those eh of course man so I mean kila mtu ya kwa na janyake na processiake fanya na tak fanya vitu but I don't ma lini me fikiya since to me a one man show in Kenya kama metrik yaku yakuni ni yaku ni kuni gauge atia calligraph one man me misaisi vision yungunangali kina whiz kid na kina burner boy and those guys we trying to see how we can be able to pull a crowd of you know thousand of five thousand people in the O2 arena unaona so it is all wakwa apu if you wanna dubia stafiao and they are headed in that direction I am trying to emulate that and hopefully we get to that level but in future lab da ya ni lakini sayi fokasiangwa ikohapu because takim tu atu ni yeyo kama nini yaku ni meja na na asa ni wengine calligraph you've mentioned sauti soul they are having their last dance show happening next month if I'm not wrong concerns were concerns were all over across the social media that sauti soul were charging 20,000 per ticket you being an artist do you think it's high time Kenyans learn to appreciate buy tickets to support their own because kuna atu wakwa na sayi ma yoni too much what is new for them man na wali ni piece of sana sana sauti soul mele ni angusha sana kwe kayao price nani mune kaji 20,000 singe kawa 100,000 ono jamu wakwa na fukiranda sayi matu yamae yaka ni mingi no sauti soul have pay their dues man these guys are trailblazers trendsetters yani I mean sauti soul sauti soul is sauti soul na they are the biggest to ever come out of this country not even me kali graf johnson as a customer cemetery na yami ni me shinda no sija shinda sauti soul they are above me so kama mi mi mi angunda charge nikiwa yu eka ni 50,000 so sauti soul they need to ita midi me kwaifu wali wata kujwa kujwa liata kwa kaya kwa ni umba lakiri me na juwa liata kujwa sauti soul wa eke 100,000 and we will come to see them those who want to come I will gladly pay and everybody kilamsani yu eka shokana testu this any time man eka shozaw see iti shangi free tickets na pigena samanda kujan na yu eka kwa getna and I'm gonna buy my ticket and I'm gonna pull up kama yu shok I don't even want mi mi me nyenda li nda lipeo 20,000 yunye shewa say these guys deserve to be paid this and even more because bro sauti soul ame tu represent bye asana and we need to respect the OGs man we've seen so many projects you've done with sauti soul maybe just to summarize one word you work with sauti soul sauti soul being there for you as an artist so sauti soul wa tuwa poa bien saavara chimano and fancy fingers yunona those wa tuwa konaro safi any time you work with those kind of people that kind of breed of course when you get into the studio it is simple vibe zina ingia and bien ame when I was working on my album Malini fundisha vi tumingi on the direction the album should take and I have so much respect for I mean the whole of sauti soul but bien ya ni PIM any ame ni puton na knowledge ingine si kuanganao yamziki so those are people I will forever respect and hold them up there in high regards because bro akuna ka sauti soul Kenya akuna kao East Africa akuna kamaa afrika bro sauti soul is the biggest group to ever come out of Africa and take it to the bank fact is facts yuno juwa iyondio iyo you think it's high time government to appreciate one of our unlike legends kama sauti soul ae kepe sa sasa ae like ah kimi ya ina fa ae ae ni manzeju yuno juwa sa itu na ni prezona fatuakai maja se mesasa we've seen what you guys have done now there is this token of appreciation or appreciation kuna ii 50 million keti ya yon na se mae fufa sauti soul for all that you've done take this manzeju kitu kama yo inezas inezas kuma you will be very surprised na wene unemployment rate it na chini because at all yasa wana waku uku inja na takaku asa ni wata ona kitu kama ivene governmenti kimi embrace ya ni ina opati amutisha to even want to do the same thing we are doing so uta ona kitu kama unemployment zina shuka ni ni na creative ni ni na ime panda so then I feel like it is high time they do that and today if I woke up niske na ni the honorable president William sumue ruto ame se ma kuna 50 million for sauti soul bro mimi I will not hate kwa zi infatna fraikabisa because bro ya ni Buddha you know what I'm saying bro ya so it's high time ya as we wind up calligraph don'ts let's talk about music business because there were concern online that most of our own artists how I love you mama ya miziki na bieshara issue kama ya split sheet people are not aware about that maybe talk to upcoming artists because they don't want to distribute their music on digital platforms they don't want to sign split sheet with other artists or producers it is our kwa stakangi kusamati artist witu how I love you mama ya split sheet because tu na elewa kuliko watuengi sana it's only that ok andakwa countries ingene bro leave alone Kenya and I don't even want to mention they don't kwa taji yo je ne split sheet doda kwa bia what is that afazalikwa pa Kenya tu na jo ina manisha ni ni labba kama tuna yo information kabisa visuri we are learning and we are already taking steps towards uh wuna jwa the understanding what that thing entails so I wouldn't want to be hard on our people and say that Kenyans that they lack knowledge because we do have knowledge and it is a grow in industry wacha kwa kwa apresha kwa atu e yo wasaniwa jwi bi ashara bro we had to pick this industry from the ground up wuna wana we are very young compared to the Nigerian music industry or South African or whatever you are still very young so to learn easy vitu so give it time atu e meneo you can attest to the fact that to make grow compared to where we were 4 5 years ago or even 10 years ago so ni visuri tu wacha kuku ane yo self-hate kusema bloga sua Kenyans kut wawa kwa wawa juwaka wana fanyanganini wa juini kila mtu we are growing and kido kizuna vasu tu na kamsafi kona miwanizako the first time you were doing interviews bro you used to you aukuna kaivi mi na kukumbuka ulukume parara and you are growing even more and more as time progresses so time in na nda watu aki grow watu ache pressure mingi tukosawa calligraph let me ask you this a band from music now kando tsuonga kando kido neighbors kuma kuna story apu neighbors wama ingilea story vibes atama piano atams Kenyans atama piano hasi chezi South Africa Kenyans want to now shift their attention our own Kenyans sound haiko paleju haiko apeju haiko apeju haiko apeju nase ma sisi wa Kenya frontaka kukopi majirani because majirano na ima ama piano even you see Kenyans wana panga concertia ama piano Kenyans are going there but our own concert Kenyans don't want to support Sindo iyondio the culture that I think we need to we need to discourage ya ni because first of all we have our own sound and this I'm telling you as a person who has travelled out there this sounds like Kenyan music wana juwa we have our own sound it's only that sometimes lada tiku apandani hatwezi e lewa mambu e ama piano in whatever nifinitu wa Kenya we like borrowing we like borrowing trends you see a trend you want to jump on the trend and milk it till the last drop wana wana so your story there are guys that I would even want to mention wali kwa pioneers of Kenyan music when gengeton was thriving lakini sayi manzejona na ato medu kakwa iso stories ama piano which is basically they don't even listen to ama piano because of it is good music it is because of hype but we have our own sound tukona and I'm still gonna I don't do gengeton mizi man gengeton lakini gengeton ni sound normal na these guys people are always they try to kill that before it grow na I'm still happy that wa sekama kina pioneer gengeton mizi manzejani wana jua right now in the new generation na jua gengeliazishona kina jua kali na nonini lakini gengeton yani the godfather of that is has to be major wana wana guys like akin na gengetons krizi akin na nani X-ray wana imba saru wa koa and these they are doing pretty good if you go to they are always performing every weekend wana wana so we have our own sound let's embrace it to wa sekusema dee tu ni ba na sound bro sasa ni ambi e unesa compare ngoma kama kama i which one Sipanguingui na izo imba wana pigaferi bi you can it is impossible because that music aside from the I know it's hyped up and you and your trend but Sipanguingui ni ngoma normal ma kuliko iyo it's only that because it's in your Kenya to na believing kitu imetokapa kuetu sinoma wana jom atapa chef apikachakula uske ukukwa ni ni ilipikon na mzungu unona e initani lakinu kiambapa na zungu ni mkenya kama ni mkenya ikitu basitamu ni ni kondani etu inafatui wachili e animas I think we are doing good gengeton do sound ngili kwe me shika kenya na tukwaki shika iperfectue vizuri that shit can take over because of the juice wana ni grammi wali ak knowledge it's big so it's about utuwacheku ditu kia na fanyaki tupua yeh do iyo Mention earlier let me take you back you're planning to take over the big arenas I'm talking about O2 now what is the plan for us you're planning to work international management and there are plans already international promoters watu pate opeve red katsahi o do you mean we are not doing kwa ni kenda kupafu o minge na nisha kwa na ma na ni onan lisa international promoters buda mini koinge already bro iningine na wangeli awasani wakoapa bro ii mimini meji ekainge mimini na jaribuku I am the Martin Kimafi of this shit you know I'm trying to release I had a movement then you take Kenyan music to the next level but because and the reason why I'm saying this I realized mimini kia na fanyapua but there my music is doing good and even here and even outside na ona not to the level of a kina whiz kid but people outside na ni jua but me realize ni kia peke angu untutu anaku jua na ii nisha apua lakini mkiwa mbogi ii o force ii na kwa noma so that's why ni kwa na say she wanted to move as a force na ona that's why I'm saying gengeton ni noma ni ni they shouldn't know Kali Grave Jones as the only hip onaji onani onani ni onani kiza kwa kategoriya hip-hop onani na hip-hop maramingi watua yeki at music in general na ona I'm saying to keep moving tu kona say Kali Grave tu kona sauti solo I've been doing the thing of course major is doing that ni ni imagine suatu tukiwa on that level uko injetu na kwa unstoppable force lakini pia kitu ingine outer trade jazao 2 ni ni kama na move one man ii oni kitu pia realization ingine ni siyes jazae stadia miya inje niki yanda inje na doko perform miya kenya wako inje ona jua so until tukuja tu embrace suatu tukiwa suatu ni force then mambo ba damage imka lakini tukiwa on the right direction alright thank you so much Kali Grave to your fans that have been supporting you friends day one a message to them Respect the OGs bana kwa ima uchapati nama wadze encouragement mii ni izo witu ni siya sayema una jua sa ii watitua Respect the OG na tu embrace tuwatze skuana culture kuku kutaka kurudisha watu numa sasili na watuana sangambele watuwa noma tuwa embrace tuwatze tuwatze to self hate na fanya poa badaitu na dupoa zana na taitansanya nama na unge aakuna kitu uko aakuna kitu manze aakuna mii na kwa mbiya there is nothing sisi ya paivi tu na dupoa zana ataukenda kwa eventi ni ni ya ya zauzuma place sayu ende uspata atu wame wako apega drip design watu wako unge mamise mozaki so liya nda pare ni ni pare buda pa nige we talk like this out here we swag it nige what do you mean bro so Respect that wako sa