 All right, I am going to call the meeting to order the out here to thunder. Okay, first of all, is there anyone uncomfortable being on the call during the storm back in the day, my grandmother said cut everything off, but I have an iPad so I'm not connected to anything so I feel safe. Everybody okay. Okay, any of you I had a grandmother that made you cut everything off because the Lord was talking. We cut everything out. All right, so we're going to call the meeting to order and has everyone had the opportunity to look through the minutes and look for any corrections if y'all see me look to the side is only because the lightning is getting my attention. Does anyone have any corrections or suggestions for the minutes. Is there a motion to approve the minutes from May 10 2022. It's been moved and seconded. All in favor of approving the minutes of May 10 2020 as submitted. Please say aye. Any opposed. All right, the maintenance are approved. Next, I want to thank y'all for working with the questionnaire. I thought it was pretty. I didn't want to reinvent anything that had already been done so I really pulled from some of the stuff that you had already done and got the impediments that were listed but I kind of figure we needed to narrow those down a little bit. And so, did everyone get a copy of it and get a chance to review it. Anything shocking. Before we go through it anything any shockers. Okay, so first question dealt with serving on committees. One thing I did notice is that we have a lot of committees. That's one thing I'll notice but and we didn't have anyone on the finance committee, but then we also had six people who were on committees at all. Does that sound about right now. Okay. So I will tell you all that I do have some suggestions once we go through this of maybe a different committee structure based on the findings and here that may help us navigate a little bit better. But I want your input of course. The next question was rank the top five impediments or challenges. Erica, Erica and I were looking through this trying to figure it out. Oh, look at there. So one thing you have to look at you have to look at. Well one of the things that I looked at was first of all the number of people who responded. You look at, you know, where the ranking was, and then the percentage of the percent that it got. So the ones that I saw as, and y'all can correct me if I'm missing anything but I saw that capital for developers. So three percent, eight people ranked it 1.5 so that sounds like that's of all of these things appears to be one of the most critical things. We also had further down, they ranked in the threes, but a lot of people responded to so 10 people said accessibility affordability safety equality units. A lot of people said having supportive services for residents of affordable housing and then eight people education addressing the stigma of affordable housing. Does all of that kind of sound consistent with you all. Yeah, I can't make you all the time. I don't like to talk. Okay. And then we had seven people responded to zoning where you can build and high fees and taxes for affordable housing. And then we had not in my backyard with six people. So those are kind of what I would think that we, we should narrow our focus down to, does that make sense, and those. I just said capital for in order be capital for developers zoning, high fees and taxes for affordable housing. I will say that we have an entire committee, the tax modernization committee that's addressing that as well. Not in my backyard, I think is similar to addressing the stigma or the same thing. And then accessibility affordability safety units and then having supportive services for residents of affordable accounting, affordable housing. So I want to. I'm still getting six though I won't we won't have five is it okay to have a job. And am I, am I leaving out something that both that someone thinks really should be listed. You like maybe sometimes these surveys don't don't get everything but is there's something that y'all think I haven't listed that should. Okay, can you take the screen down because I can't see faces. Is there a way for me to see faces. Okay. Can you can you list one more time you want for those five because there is an issue that I know that we're going to be pushed forward that I think would be helpful for this task force. Okay. Capital for developers. We have the sheet in front of your capital for developers zoning where you can build. I'm going to say hi fees and taxes, but that's really going to be another committee that we have a separate committee that will address that. Not in my backyard, which I believe I am cup. I'm adding that to education and addressing the stigma so that I think those are both the same. Accessibility, affordability, safety of quality units, and then having supportive services for residents of affordable housing. And again that's just based on the rankings and that's why I want to make sure is there's something else that we want to submit one to 345. So the five will be capital zoning, accessibility, supportive services and education. My question is, I do think that there's a need to be dealing with the eviction crisis, which is, you know, keeping people there existing homes and I don't know if there's a way to fold that into one of the suggestions that that you've made. I think it will be soon. Once I get to the committee structure. Okay. I guess I'll just go ahead and tell y'all what I was kind of thinking as it may help as a part of this discussion, changing the committee structure to maybe two committees. And they may have cells but one that focuses purely on anything dealing with development and putting up buildings. That's one side, you know just, and we have some people that that's how they think they just, you know that that's their thought that's what they do they in and out. How do we get these buildings these homes built. And then we have advocacy and accessibility issues, which is totally different than it's more or less acknowledging the need and making sure people know the need, but it's not necessarily building the buildings that makes sense. Any comment, any thoughts on that that kind of structure for our committees, as opposed to the current ones. I think, I think you nailed it. Because it does it seems I'm sorry. In the car with the rain. Wait, wait, hold on for a second. I'm not driving. I'm riding. But I think very much because we fall on both sides. And when I hear zoning, I think it's only pieces of zoning. So to have a committee based on zoning, you don't want to waste the committee and to suit point the eviction crisis wraps around into programs and services. So I think by bifurcating just to your you're going to see a natural, you're going to fall, usually one way or the other, they're going to be some of us that kind of crisscross over. So full support. Again, where's the thumbs up. Any other thoughts on pros and cons of maybe changing the committee structure to development. And then accessibility and advocacy. You are about this is so cute. It just said you are about to raise your hand. I'm sorry. My iPad just said you're about to raise your hand. Julie Ann. Yeah. The only concern I have with that is when we're looking at the development side and that's where you're considering zoning and fees and taxes and stuff that really is going to be hard to take that out from from NIMBY and advocacy because I mean, like, you know, right now we've got a project that's been stalled for over a year because of NIMBY and the Board of Zoning Appeals deciding that we build ghettos. So I'm fighting in circuit court right now and I would say that zoning and advocacy very much go together. Okay. But and okay, I'm going to make the point of that because I guess what I'm does depend on what you're advocating for. Whether you're advocating for or against zoning. Yeah, because well I think that they're going to be several different things because I mean an advocacy can be what first of all it's going to be decided by the next page which is some of the things that we think we can do. But I'm assuming that the committee would decide what the appropriate side would be of the issue. But I don't think it prevents maybe what it means is that zoning falls up under both. But I don't want to get that detailed in it. Are you suggesting that you need a separate, we need a separate committee for zoning. You know what I'm suggesting is that we can't say that zoning is about development. It's also about advocacy. Oh, okay. You know for 20 years we've been advocating for inclusionary zoning and we don't have it. Right. And we still don't have for certain types of affordable housing with supportive services we have absolutely no zoning where we can build that housing. We have to request an exception from those up and be subject to all the members of them that exist here. So I don't, I think it's got to be a part of zoning has to be. Yeah, I attended a meeting recently. It always makes always enjoy telling my story when people are just so we can't have that. We wouldn't have me, you know, and so, but I think that's a part of the, you know, the educational process. But, and I'm trying to think of okay. I got to Sue's because I got Sue I got you on the mind too but it looks like the five areas are because that to me that would be accessibility. I'm just making sure I got my mind wrapped around it so capital zoning accessibility, supportive services and education. That's the NIMBY. Anybody have any, any, any heart heart issues on those five. Okay, so the next thing that we looked at is of course we got all of those issues but dear Lord what can we do because we can't solve everything. So, based on the report we had 81% education and addressing the stigma of affordable housing and NIMBY which I'm still combining same thing I should have listed together capital for developers streamline educational process for development, zoning, high fees and taxes for affordable housing and an accessibility. So, this is what I was thinking that we would do. Maybe choose the top. 12345678. Maybe choose so specifically for today but just to know what they are as we look at what we can do I think in the next the next one is what can we do in the next year. And Erica can you take us to please identify your top three suggestions for the work plan. So, exclusionary zoning which has already been mentioned today, training and equipping community navigators financing a housing trust fund adopting universal accessibility and design standards. And this is my question adopting universal accessibility and design standards. Do I'll say that's more development or no thoughts on that one. I would say development. Development. Thank you. tax modernization reform mitigating evictions accessible housing for individuals in prison, home builder education, vertical development. I didn't have anyone to say implementing storytellers bureau. So, this is kind of what my thought process was, and I really need input y'all. I was thinking that we look at our two committees and kind of take these tasks that are included here and divide them between the two committees. Any thoughts on that. Yeah, no, I was, I'm sorry. I was going to say, I think that's a great idea. I think the problem was we had so many committees. And so few people that it was hard to really have a critical mass and if we, if we have combined committees. We can bring issues to the committee to the larger committee and folks can work on things and not be as isolated. I think it'll help with the with us working together as a group. Okay, and what I'm thinking too is, I mean, if, if they're different people who have different interests, then they would, you know, because under development, their five or six different things we're talking about and under accessibility their five or six things that we're talking about. But that's kind of my thought process. Anybody, does anybody have any real heartburn about that. Okay, so Erica, I need you to take the screen off, because Oh, Anita. Sorry. I just wanted to suggest that we not take on too much, because if you see how many people responded to the survey, you know, maybe we'll be working with people here 101112 and just inclusionary zoning would be tremendous lift. So, if we're developing a plan, that's one thing. But if we're going to be working on this stuff for the year coming up, I would just say we need to be pretty narrow and what we tackle. And we might not have decided that yet. But I don't I just, I don't think we're going to do 15 things. Well, and I agree. That's because what I would anticipate is, well, first of all, that's why I also sent you all the link to the Columbia compass, because the city in fact, you know, our city staff and I'm hoping I got some city staff folks. I don't know if I can see you do. Yes, ma'am. Okay, Kristen we are here. Okay, so the other part of it is, some of these things we have city staff that are working on these. And so we're trying to help fill the gaps, maybe. And so, if y'all look through, I know that you all had the presentation before but under the Columbia compass with respect to affordable housing they've identified establish incentives to encourage developers to construct affordable housing. And that has been assigned to our community development department. And so what I am imagining is, we get some, I don't want us doing duplicate work does that make sense. So when I read through this, I asked staff I said so how do we complement or how do we help fill the gaps. But I will say a lot of times with our staff. And nothing just to be honest dealing with the flood and other emergencies. Community development really gets pulled into that you know I'm saying and so they haven't really had time to just work on the normal run of the meal. And so we're trying to get some of these other things passed so is Chris, does that am I explaining my goal, right. Yeah, absolutely I mean and just having the committee support and that that's the continued direction. And yeah and Lee is putting a link to the document as well in the chat. And I will, if I may just piggyback on to the inclusionary zoning that is going to take more than staff because it's going to require State House to act. So you know there's going to need to be some advocacy on that part for sure. Love it because I think we already have, we already have ordinance or a draft ordinance correct. It was very long time ago but it was determined that we are preempted from that that we need, and there has been state legislation introduced a number of times but it's not passed. So we need to have that. We need to get that back. And so what it sounds like to me is, and now this is the thing y'all have to educate me on is, is there no is is on the state level is there no desire to do it or there have been other priorities. I think there's been now I'll let anyone else jump in I don't have but I think there's been a lobbying effort on the other side. Who's a little bit more successful. But it's had real trouble getting any traction, because they're the interests that be who have the resources are fighting it. So I think what we would have to do is both figure out as a as a committee but also if there are others that we would want to coordinate with so that there can be more voices to support this Marvin and Darvis I believe it was his bill each year. And I'm sorry. So, I'm just just so y'all know I'm not the most tech savvy and I see things coming up in the chat so let me see Jeff and then I see Dylan 100%. Okay, so Councilwoman Herbert Lee dropped the link to the Columbia Compass housing report and the previous presentation that was made to the task force. Larry Moore responded that the item you were considering whether or not it was more of a advocacy issue he noted that it is a development issue, and he said that the that the priorities have been defined. So we should allocate the top three to five issues in order to get started. Okay. And he's talking about under the top three suggestions. Is that what you're talking about like Jeff. I missed the latter one. Yeah, no, that's fine. Thank you. My, you, you had 15 or so items you have taken six, three to five to six of those items that it seemed to be clearly the majority of the respondents. The point said have been made by others such as Anita you, there are certain ones that probably have to have very defined challenges and more stakeholders engaged to get progress as you have noted. But some of the items that can be integrated into the existing committees, you know, define those three top three items for each of those new or redefine committees so that they have a target to get started in 2022 and 2023. I think once there's traction developed in the reorganization of the committees, then you begin to filter in some of the other supplemental subject matters that complement the defined tasks of those new subgroups, so that they're not overwhelmed in trying to then prioritize another new loop, another new group of challenges or tasks so because there's abundance. I think through the use of the survey you've kind of got a sense of phases of what are the top three items to develop in phase one and two and then how to those implement some of the other ancillary challenges that are recognized, but still need more time and energy and resources to develop a clear structural strategic plan as it relates to very high end very difficult multi engage, not only in the city of the local county and state level because we know that there are some aspects of what we're trying to engage with locally needs input from state stakeholders to make, you know, as inclusionary zoning being one subject to move the needle on. Okay, so how about this, I was thinking that maybe we set up those the new committee structure, and then folks can decide which committee they want to be in based on their interest, and you all come back to us with like a specific gold or do you think we should do that in a group setting, it just seems like a group setting would be a lot, but that's kind of what I was thinking, we, we have this information, we take these two committees, and you all have a subcommittee meeting in July because it's going to be as a group in July, and then in August we kind of have this is what this committee thinks we can get done and this is what this committee wants to get done. And then we can kind of fill in the gaps like you were saying going from there, or do you want to go ahead and narrow those things down as a group right now. Jennifer, could we also have I don't, I don't know that it needs to be a presentation, but maybe a briefing document related back to the Columbia Compass and the efforts of staff specifically that maybe we could figure out how we could leverage the work of staff or supplement that kind of things that we're not duplicating efforts as well. Right, what I'll do is I'll try and get just pull the specific parts that deal with affordable housing, because there are five areas in here establish incentives, update the city's policy for affordable housing locational standards to with to allow community goals, leverage public land and develop and funding to develop affordable housing and then just one more work with the regional partners to establish a regional housing land trust that can manage affordable units. So I think because I again, I want to make sure we'll assign a city staff person to to both of the committees. And then what I also wanted to do was to get city staff probably I didn't think we were going to have time but we may have had time to do it today. But I do want you all to see currently this is what city staff is working on. But if we have a city staff person that's working with the committee, it'll be someone that's knowledgeable to say, Yeah, we've already done that. No, we haven't touched that but I did touch with staff to make sure that these are all ongoing goals. And that they still need they still need tons of work. I think the good thing about this committee is, you can help us as the city keep, keep this front of mind, does that make sense, because in the city. I declare it just depends on when we wake up that morning what has happened. And you know we get, you know, we get pulled into different areas, or different issues. But this task force, I kind of see you all as making sure that we're keeping this issue front of mind and actually delivering on our goals. And so I'm not expecting you all to do the heavy lifting, but I do expect you all to help us with accountability, give us great ideas, because of your backgrounds, you can give us some input. I don't necessarily expect you all to have to. Well, no, I'm sorry, except for two people. Two people said that they had all of the time in the world with 13% we had 17 people who responded. And 13% said I have all the time in the world for the city. And so I wanted whoever those two people are. This might be three people but did my numbers right. Y'all let me know offline who you are. And we'll kind of look at that. So any thoughts, any thoughts about proceeding that way. I think it's a good idea. I think gives off some months to meet in committee and determine where where we've been where we're headed and how to develop those three priorities and how to move forward. I think it's a great idea. Does it, does it do you all feel comfortable that it encompasses, because again, I think the main one of the main things I wanted to make sure was that the work you've done last year is not doesn't fall to the wayside like I want to feel like it, you are, we're just we're changing it, but we still are building on what you already been doing. Is that fair to say. I look through what the priorities were. I think those priorities came from the presentations we heard from various people. I think they focused to the top. I think we heard what the problem was and we said okay here's the priorities as we saw over the last year. So yeah, I think they did. And any heartburn about getting any no heartburn about changing the committee structure, because I don't want, you know, somebody to say Tina change the committee structure. And you have to forgive me I'm learning, I'm working on my formality for these meetings. Not quite there yet, but I'm working on it. Well, so our next meeting is August nine. And so, ideally what the plan would be is that you all meet as a committee sometime in July, so you know whenever you want to but it gives you two months, pretty much two months to meet and kind of, you know, narrow down some goals. And I'll make sure that you have the information from city staff. I did have one. Something just popped in my head and I can't remember what it was. Oh, did you all want to sign up for committees today or do you want to let us know because we can do that now. And Erica can have that in the minutes. Otherwise we might get out a little bit a little bit early and I know y'all don't want to get out early. So go through the list. I'm going to be on both committees. That's the easy one. Julie and which one, which committee do you want to work on. I'm not certain. Okay. Can you be on both committees. You can. Yeah, you definitely can. I just think that some there are some people who are just more in line with one of the other, but there is nothing that prevents you from being on both. Okay. I'd like to be on both. I think for our work, it's important for me to be on both. They're equally important. This is Yvonne. I'm sorry. I got you. Now, Julianne does that mean you want to be on both. No. It's not certain which one I want to be. Okay, what about you Jeffrey. The accessibility and advocacy. Oh, and if y'all want to come up with jazzy or names that's perfectly fine. I'm not a jazzy person but you know sometimes keep creatives can come up with cooler names. Jim, you're next on my screen. I would choose development I have a soft spot for trust funds. So that's right. And then miss Jennifer development, please. And miss Anita probably the advocacy but I'd love for you to send us stuff to finalize. Okay. And Jeff. element please. And next is miss Regina accessibility and advocacy with the focus on support supportive services. Next I have miss Sue advocacy. I kind of figured that one. Miss Brenna. Good to see you Brenna. Thank you the accessibility and advocacy. Oh, and then Chris forget I got more people. Dylan gunnels. I would prefer accessibility and advocacy, but willing to be flexible if we're getting a little heavy on that side. So once we go through, once we get all the numbers out, I mean all the list and I'll see Chris Zimmer, are you. Who are you with a truest bank. Okay, yes, yes. One guess development. We'll see I was trying to that's why I was asked I was like wait I'm trying. I'm trying to figure out what to do with this. And then Miss Brenna. She is probably driving I think she said so I will check with her later. Gregory Sprouse. I'll fall under development. Sorry. We have council woman, I'm out of the bussles joining us. Hey, I did he. Hello, just. I'm not at my desk, so I don't have my full screen. And so I'm just seeing you as y'all know that the plus is over our homeless task force. And so she is joining us for information. And I think advocacy might be where she is, and she can also kind of give us updates on what's going on with. That committee. Let me make sure. Okay, that's all I have. So if I do the numbers. Since some Anita's going to serve on the advocacy committee, I'll take development for mercy side. Thank you. Wait, who was that council woman Harvard quick question. It's Evonda. Yes. Is it possible to have someone from my team. Join the task force to serve on one of the committees. The development in particular. I will have to think about that. That is my honest answer. Okay. Okay. Send me an email because now I'm leaning towards a no, and I'm only going to tell you why, because they have been a lot of recommendations and I want to be consistent. The one thing that we do know that we need is more private developers at least one or two, but I don't want to just start expanding and expanding at this point. Not at this point because I've gotten a lot of a lot of I'm trying to be consistent. I understand and respect that completely. Accounts. That was miss Avan who said that she would be on the development committee so that gives you a total of seven individuals, eight with it, including you and on accessibility and advocacy I have a total of eight. So Erica, thank you because I was struggling with my numbers on my paper. So yeah, look Dylan it worked out perfectly. That worked out really good to have eight and eight. And that's considering was seen as on you have been on to right. I do. Mm hmm. Okay. All right. I'll have three at least three people that I can think of that I'll have to reach out to you to see which committees they're going to serve on but it'll probably still be balanced once we get the rest of the individuals set up on a committee. Okay. And what I what I would suggest to as a part of that and Eric, if you could make note that as the committee's form I have just said development but it may be just a one or two sentences of what, you know what we consider development, and then advocacy what we consider advocacy. And that would be based on, you know who's in the group and in the goals that y'all choose. And that note of private developers. Did anyone on this committee have any recommendations, I realized I had some names but I did not want to just pick people myself, I wanted to get input, any input on some private developers. And are you talking to us. Okay, we got you. Okay, I recommended Kevin Connelly. He's a private developer that's done a good bit of affordable health and work. If you have this contact information would you email it to me please. And it seems like I am. So I listened out. I listened to the meetings. I haven't listened to them again but as you all were having them. And I heard his name referred to a couple of times by Miss divine. So I think maybe I assumed he might have been a part of the committee. Any other recommendations. I'm not on the development committee but I'm thinking, do we want to have somebody from state housing finance authority since you know all of this is about leveraging dollars and complicated tests. Availments and everything maybe it would be good to have, see if there's somebody from the housing finance authority who might want to be on this, this committee, just if all else for advising and assistance. I did. If there's no objection I can act. I have the interim chair he works in my office. Maybe I'll ask him to appoint someone because I want to make sure everything is asking for a reference or name for that. That's a good idea. All right, folks, would you all be terribly disappointed if we didn't make it to a full hour. Well, are there any other issues or any, anything I'm not thinking about as far as our setup so we know when our next big meeting is. You all the committees can meet how everything want to but please let us know. Because I want to, I want to attend. Do you I think you need us to help you coordinate those dates. Maybe do like the doodle. Okay, all right. Yeah, I think for the first meeting, if you could set it up so we know when and where to be and then we can carry on from there. Okay, do you all prefer for me just to set a meeting or send a doodle out. I think I'm saying it right so that you all can choose when you want to meet. I think doodle polls always helpful so we can try to make sure we get a critical mass from each each group. Okay. Erica is that doable. Yes ma'am. Okay, because yeah I'm not tech savvy so somebody has to, I'm gonna learn it before the end of the year but I'm not too tech savvy. All right. So here we go. Have I covered everything. Am I missing anything. I did want that the muscles did you want to introduce yourself or say anything. Well I think most people here know me. I'm sorry I don't have power. So I'm currently trying to preserve as much battery as possible before we come into City Hall but as Councilman Herbert mentioned. I think there is a lot of parallels between some of the work that we will be doing around homelessness as well as affordable housing. And so really in hoping to make our committee and task force structures efficient. Looking forward to working with you all and providing updates. Thank you for the opportunity to share that we had our first meeting on in May. And that was really an opportunity I think for people to share their kind of perspectives and kind of set a mutual kind of foundation for how we're going to move our conversation forward. And so our next meeting which is open to the public and I encourage you all to attend if you are able to. Two two Wednesdays from now June 29 I believe from four to 6pm at the Busby Center. So we are meeting in person and we're in the very initial stages I know y'all have been meeting for a little bit just really trying to figure out our goals and outcomes and how that kind of folds into current work and future work that needs to happen around helping and addressing, you know, a very complex problem so looking forward to working with you all if you have any questions or concerns please feel free to reach out to me. Thank you. I was wondering if this group could get anything that's been developed by the homeless group, because I think it would be important to be sharing visions and seeing where, you know who's making decisions and and all of that would be really helpful for all of us. Yeah, what we I what I can do is all forward along we sent a series of reading material as well as the 2013 report thank you to Laila Anna for sharing that, because there was homeless efforts from a task force perspective in 2013 and there were some recommendations that came out of there. So Erica maybe we could forward that email or reading along to this committee as well so that they get an idea of kind of the information that we've had the task force review. And that I think also includes the notes from the last meeting. This afternoon. And that was so so you missed the beginning where I said back in the day by grandmother said that when it was storm and she cut everything off. And it looks like your stuff got cut off, we had, we've heard big booms up here. Be careful and save your battery. Thank you all, if all hearts and minds are clear, we will help set up the committee member committee meetings via doodle. And we will send you information on where the city is with Columbia compass so you have that in hand in mind for your meetings I'm going to try and attend the meetings when you have them. And you all choose how you want to meet in person or in zoom, and we will send you Dr bustles information from the homeless task force. And then I will contact. It's not like Erica volunteer, but we're going to make contact with some private developers, so that we can make sure we have state housing and private developer to make sure we have all the people around the table that would be critical. Anything else. Well y'all have the y'all by the way last question, do y'all have a desire to meet in person. Do you all. I was. I like the time efficiency of zoom, so I would vote zoom. Any. So, is there anybody on here who is desperately seeking personal contact. Maybe we'll schedule. Maybe quarterly or something, you know every. That's a good question. And that's good enough to be patient too, but you do miss something with personal contact. Dylan gunnels that agree with zoom for room decides so we will continue to monitor it maybe we can plan. I think we do need to at least sit down once. Every so often so will consider that but this is this is kind of the vision. mind's a player, I'm thinking I'm a church. Almost. Is there a second? Second. All right, thanks you all. I look forward to seeing you on August 9th, when we come back together as a big group again. Enjoy your summer. Not that I'm saying we're off at a summer, but y'all be careful and hopefully go on some vacations and have some fun. All right, bye-bye.