 A militant group, the Niger Delta Avengers, says it will begin the destruction of oil facilities in what it has called Operation Humble. The group also says it will attack politicians who collaborates with the federal government to undermine the interests of the Niger Delta region. The statement on its website claims the oil-rich region has been neglected, and a founding member and former president of the Ijar Youth Council, who is also a former militant leader, Mujahid Assari Dukubo, is joining us to talk about this. Good morning, Mr. Dukubo. Good morning. I'd like us to first begin with Motive, right? What does the Niger Delta Avengers want, especially from the federal government? The questions, I'm surprised at this question because the present government of general Mamadwari are literally offended every part of the country, not just the Niger Delta, not just the Southeast, not just the Southwest, not just every part of the country, and that's why you have several insurgent groups everywhere. These are never upon. Nigeria has been in bad shape for a very long time, but this government is something else. These things that are happening under this government have never happened before. There is a catalog of crimes committed against our people, catalog of crimes committed against our people. And to add insult or injury, there are individuals in the North who feel that they are above reprimand. They cannot be reprimanded, and the government of general Mamadwari had correlated these people. In fact, they had incurred them and not gem on. There are clowns in the North that have been making statements, ground not money was used for the development of the oil field, which is a very big life, fat, fat, big life. The North was poor. The reason why the British, Almagamated, Nigeria were because the North was poor and parasitic, they cannot continue to carry the body of the budget deficit of the North. That was why they joined us together with them, and since then they contribute nothing, they are parasites. And they make statements. They call themselves born to rule, and our political leadership had asserted the Southern political leadership, whatever the from time immemorial had asserted for the good of Nigeria, let us just follow along. We are not going to die, but let us, it's better, instead of war, instead of hierarchy, we should just follow along. And that's why these people had, they become, I don't know how to describe them, but they become, I see, they are God himself, they are not demigods, they are God himself. They are to get to themselves the position of God, so the government, I'm coming please, the government of one part is there, standing and defending the agenda of one ethnic machemality, and then those from that ethnic machemality are poking their hands, their hands into our fingers, into our hearts, and seeing all sorts of rubbish. So everybody has the right to be angry, including the Niger-Golder Avenger. Okay, Bob, why is it coming now? And of course the president has also responded saying that these threats are unnecessary. So why is it coming at this moment? Is there something that has triggered this new call for hostilities? What you saw, you saw trending in the news, they claimed by these trellos that they paid for the oil on our land. You also saw one fellow from Jigawa, including somebody as educated as Dr. Bugaji, that the oil flowed from the North is a vertical, so it flowed from the North according to him, and they both seated in the South. So the oil in charge did not flow into Boronu state. The oil in Nigeria did not flow into Kathina, Sokoto, etc., but it is the one in Sokoto that flowed past everywhere and got to River state, and got to Bayas, and got to Tel-Tastin. This is a sick mind of these people. And so every time they try to instigate crisis, they are a merchant of crisis, and they think that with that they will survive, they will frighten everybody, and everybody will run into their own, so they will continue to, as vampires, suck the blood of other people. Nigeria as a nation, it's a vampire, it sucks the blood of its people. You talk about Bokoram, you talk about Bandit, you talk about ESN, you talk about IPOC, all these organizations are creation of the vampire state of Nigeria to suck the blood of our people. It is better for us. See, what Avengers or whatever they are calling themselves falls short of the demand of the people of the area. The Avengers are talking about destruction. There is nothing to restructure about Nigeria. Nigeria has failed in three ways. It has failed. There is nothing to remedy from Nigeria. There is nothing to cure about Nigeria. Nigeria is incurable. The best way to save you and I is for Nigeria to dissolve. It's for Nigeria to be totally dismantled. Let the people choose to be what they want to be. Let a referendum be held in all parts of what is called Nigeria. And let us choose what we want to be. Nobody can continually force on us a country called Nigeria created in 1914 with the consent of the people that are called Nigeria. Do you think any government would allow that? Any government in the world would allow their country to dissolve? That is their business. They did not allow it in Ethiopia. It happened. They did not allow it in Sudan. It happened. They did not allow it in the former Soviet Union as strong as the former Soviet Union in the world. It happened. They did not allow it in Yugoslavia. It happened. They did not allow it in Czechoslovakia. It happened. So it will definitely happen here. I am very confident and I am sure that it will happen here. So is there a difference in the ideologies of MEND, the Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta, and the Niger Delta Avengers? Do they have the same ideologies and are they asking for the same things or totally different ideologies? I am not a member of MEND. I am not a member of Avengers. But I think that they have the same ideological structure. They are demanding for something that is already dead. Something that is not possible. They are demanding for the structure. The structural defect has lasted a very long time. Like the building that collapsed in Florida. This structural defect had been identified a long time ago. Red flag that had been raised that the building had structural defects and it is going to something will happen. And they did not miss it. For over 60 years people have been saying Nigeria has structural defects. From that they had more. They pretended to become a Republic in 1963. 1966, there was a coup. 1967, there was a civil war. The civil war ended. They called themselves a federation, why they are a primitive war brutal unitary government operating a very brutal unitary system of government headed by the Futagelon Gambarins and their collaborators. Praying on the Joss, the Shekwis, the Ogonis, the Robles, etc. for their oil wealth. That is what has kept Nigeria together. And so when Nigeria talks about the structure I love, when men talk about the structure I love, I don't think that they are in tone with the present reality. The present reality clearly shows that Nigeria as it exists cannot continue this way. If it continues this way you and I will not be safe. One day people will come into our house and kill us, kill our children and commit all sorts of atrocities against us. As is happening in the north-west and the north-east, it will come down to every part of Nigeria. So the best thing for us to do is to quickly cure ourselves of this incurable disease by amputating Nigeria. Okay Mr Dokubo, I want us to be on the same page regarding what the motives of these groups, the men and the Niger Delta Avengers are. And you're saying they want restructuring, and would that be for resource control? To be able to control their oil wealth? Or is that something else we're missing? They feel that, I don't know what restructure is, but they feel that when Nigeria is restructured somehow, somehow, oil will be in control of the owners of the oil. It's a lie. Nigeria claim to be a federal state. But it's not operating in a federal system. So how are we sure today, if General Muhammad was, I think, I want restructure. We don't give one a the word restructure. And then all of a sudden they would discover that there's nothing like restructure. They wanted Nigeria Delta Ministry. They gave them the Nigeria Delta Ministry, different from many other ministries. The Nigeria Delta Ministry is a conflict five. The Nigeria Delta Ministry is a different ministry. It is one that is stealing billions of what we don't know. Nigeria Delta Ministry goes about carrying this seed and going to a meeting. So that is what the Nigeria Delta Ministry is went for. So you demand for one thing. They say, if this one you want, I will give you. That is not what we're talking about. I want to know. Nigeria is incredibly, it's incredible. So just let it go. Well, why do you think the attention isn't focused on leaders on the local level from local government chairman to governors to, of course, likes of God's will, the NDDC board and the likes. Why don't these agitators ask questions of these local levels on this, you know, the state level? A lot of us journalists would pretend and hide, try to hide inside our shell. Nigeria operate a strong military system. NNPC is not in the hands of God's will and Paddy. NNPC is not in the hands of big human local government chairman. We are comfort. NNPC is in not in the hands of the God-willed-less wiki that always talking. It's not in his hand. NNPC is in the hands of dener Muhammad Wari. It's even the Hawaiian minister. It's the one who tell us how much is produced here in Bedema. It's not the local government chairman. The local government chairman doesn't know anything. No information is given to him. So why do I go and blame the man I know that is the babam thief? Babam? How? Babam furumah? That I know. Then I will leave him and pretend because I want to be politically correct. I'll be looking for wiki. I'll be looking for babu. When the babam thief is in Abuja, controlling NNPC, telling us that NNPC produced right, when NNPC actually produced right. See, let us not pretend and let us not do this with these issues. The issue is that we have a government in Abuja that stills. It's a team, team government, full government. It's in Abuja there. When they steal and steal, they don't give calls on the mass assembly in the last law story and they give to River State, they give to Lagos State, they give to Bedema local government and you want me to run after the small small team, the big pocket and leave the armed robbers that is in Abuja. Okay. I won't do that. Mr. Dukubo, right now the Niger Delta Avengers put out a statement saying because of all the things that they want and they're not getting, they're going to begin to attack oil facilities in the country to lead to a permanent recession in Nigeria. What do you think that would achieve? Whatever it would achieve, what do you think Boko Ram is achieving and the bandit are achieving and the full army headsmen are achieving? Everybody to your terms, all Nigerians, everybody is applying the best panacea, the things that will work for them. Everybody's applying. Like I said, I do not believe that the Niger Delta Avengers or any other group here is serious because it is not demanding for the real thing the people need. The real thing, the real structure is nothing. It's nothing. There's nothing like the structure. There's nothing to restructure. When we understand this, it will be better for us. The real demand of the people, you see this flag behind me. This is the Biafran flag. This is the real demand of the former East Islander. It is the Biafran flag. It is the real demand of the East Islander. Anybody pretending about it is within his time. All right, Mr. Dukubo, I want you to quickly also share your thoughts on what you expect as a response from the federal government. President Buaria said that these threats are unnecessary. I don't think anybody also wants any hostilities and loss of lives and property in the Niger Delta region. Do you expect that there is a meeting ground? There is a table of negotiation that the government and the Avengers can come to and ensure that peace remains in the Niger Delta region. Nobody wants to die. I don't want to die. Do you look at me as somebody who wants to die? Nobody wants conflict. Me, when I'm talking, I say it very wrong. Now, the question we have is Muhammad Buwari is the capable of engineering a process that would lead to peaceful resolution of the on-pass all over the country, including the Niger Delta and solving and listening to the demand of the Niger Delta Avengers. I will tell you no, no. From his antecedent, it is not possible. Just give me a little time, because I also sacrifice time to be here today. Muhammad Buwari came on board. Since he came, he has not appointed a substantive board for the NDDC. This is a man who said he wants to fight corruption. He has not appointed a substantive board. By law, this is a democratic government. What is doing? The adult committees is appointing to manage NDDC. It's unknown to the does of Nigeria. And to make matters worse, the National Assembly exposed the rot that is in this NDDC, anti-corruption fighter, Babam Thief in Abuja. We saw the rot in the NDDC, not in an apartment. NDDC is a commission created by law and in the constitution. This man, this General Muhammad Buwari, took NDDC and put on that panel. It has never happened under the Niger Delta Ministers. NDDC preceded the so-called Niger Delta Ministers. And since then nothing is happening, COVID will leave. This was no project. Why? Because this man, Muhammad Buwari, hates the people of the Niger Delta. He hates them. And he gladdens people from here. Like what happened in the Bible? When the Hebrews were asked by the Egyptian to walk, did they go and employ any other person? They look for people, tax master from among the Hebrews, and ask them to build the pyramid, to build everything with tax straw. This is what Muhammad Buwari is doing. So it's incapable of it honoring a process that will lead to a peaceful resolution of the Ombudsman. In the Niger Delta as well. Mr. Dokubot, this conversation really, we have to continue to talk about this, see what plays out in the next few days, how the presidency reacts. We'll be very grateful to have you back on the breakfast sometime soon. And we thank you very much for your time. No problem. Thank you very much. Okay, let's take a break here and we'll return to discuss amendments to the NBCNPC Beals. Do stay with us.