 Andrew says, evening all, question regarding teams, SharePoint Online and Delve. Whoa, people don't ask about Delve anymore. We want utilize planner in some public channels with several teams. We have one person creating the plan. We found that when a user starts to drill into a user profile, they can see recent files. I've done some research, it appears as though this is controlled through the profile cards as part of Delve. Users only see files that they have collaborated on or have permissions to, this is we, but I think C, if my research is correct. I've disabled Delve for the org. Has anyone else seen this and have experience in turning this functionality off? We want to ensure that users are unable to see others files for confidentiality reasons. So this breaks my little heart. I don't know. Me too, me too. All I think of is, turning off Delve does not turn off the access that people have. Yeah, you can't have security through obscurity, right? I think it's doing the due diligence first understanding. Why do you see the files? Yeah, I just lift up the rug and I'll just shove it under, put the rug back down. It wasn't dirty, it wasn't dirty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it wasn't dirty. They only see what they got permission to guys. They can only see what they got permission to. If the permissions are wrong, you need to clean up the permissions. Right, well this, in fact, I just talked about this the last couple of weeks, last couple of events, Delve has come up in this exact scenario where people would rather turn it off and they don't understand what is actually happening. It's not that Delve is showing something that they shouldn't have access to. What it's doing is it's highlighting if people are seeing something that they shouldn't, that your permission structure, your point, Kirstie, is broken. Like you've not done your cleanup. And so you don't do that by obscuring all things. You want people to be able to easily see what are we jointly collaborating? What was shared with me? What are you working on that's public that I can see so I can search on and get in my results to know that, hey, Michelle's working on that project that's relevant to something I was thinking about or Kirstie, you're working on something that is very akin to my last company, a project I worked on, I can share some knowledge, which is one of the reasons why you might share that in a public way, make it available for people to go and see that. So it's the working out loud model. So if there's accounting files with people's salaries, you might want to increase the permissions, secure that those. That's the sensitivity labels, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I think, and with the way OneDrive, the M365 app and SharePoint, when it all come in together into the OneDrive app where it's got what's actually going on and how it's surfacing information, we're not seeing Dell views as much, we're gonna see it flowing more and more through into our sort of inherent environment, like your OneDrive and everything that's starting to come up and flow through into teams when you go click on files, all that's starting to flow in. So if you're not cleaning it up and it's coming up in Dell, it's just gonna show up here, here, here, here, here, here, anyway, so you're gonna need to come up with a plan to be able to fix what's going on, rather than going, oh, well, Dell will just turn it off because that's not the way that the Microsoft ecosystem actually work. It wants you to be able to get things quickly and easily. So it'll show up elsewhere. Yeah, and collaborate with each other. I mean, that's the whole point, share point, share, I mean, that's the highlighted word, right, we're sharing because we're collectively working on something. When I think of this, I think of the importance of data integrity and Dell, to me, initially, was a data and share point integrity check. It was the first time that you actually saw things that maybe were not configured right and you had to challenge yourself and say, do we have our governance in place? Do we have our training in place? Do we have too many SharePoint admins or SharePoint site owners? And really doing your due diligence going back and reviewing what that really looks like. Now, this is not certainly gonna be closed because Dell maybe surfaced it, but guess what? It's already always been exposed in search. And guess what else uses search? A new search architecture, which is M365 co-pilot. So there are gonna be some comparisons and what I'll always say is optimize your data now. Think of your information governance. Think of how you're securing your data. Look at your data loss prevention, your sensitivity labels. Make sure you have your policies in place. Else, you will be doing the same thing. We have to shut off search. We have to shut off Dell. We can never use co-pilot. As a matter of fact, let's just get rid of SharePoint. We'll all work from our own home drives like we did. Let's go put it back on an old shared drive. No VPN access. What's wrong with physical paper and writing with pens? No pencils. Pens. That's where that's the biggest walking IP breach I've ever seen. Do you know how many notebooks I've actually seen in meeting rooms that people have left behind? It's like, or on a train or a bus or a, oh, look, yeah. Well, one other aspect of this too, I think we've touched on all of the permissions issues, but it's also about personalization. So you're limiting then the feature set, the rich features within these collaboration tools. So there is the ability to go in, turn it off to shut off that capability. So I've got an article I can provide. I'll provide that in the links as well. But I think you should really consider, again, going back using sensitivity labels. In fact, that got called out numerous times last week on stage at ESPC and Amsterdam about people need to be using sensitivity labels more. Here's an example of that to make sure that people are only seeing what they should be seeing, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Yeah. Do you have a knowledge manager? What kind of systems have you got set up to go through and do a cleanup of your access and they're the things that need to be done? It's going to be timely potentially, and it's going to be costly potentially, you never know, but to be able to move forward and continue in the ecosystem, something needs to shift or change because the rug doesn't take much to shift a rug. No, it sure doesn't. Culturally, I know that there are a lot of companies that are in that same position, but they need to make sure that data is not exposed. However, it was intentionally or maybe unintentionally shared, and I think that at Microsoft they're developing some really great capabilities now with SharePoint Advanced Management, which is a new capability to do and run a lot of reports that will surface a lot of sites or documents where you're sharing to everyone except external that you can then come back. So to me, I think maybe shut it off, but then go in, do your reporting, go and evaluate your systems. I always love to say group exploration policies is one of the best things that ever happened because that will just naturally in a lifecycle clean up inactive sites and groups and just get rid of them. So I would say, if anything, do a cleanup. Identify what is out there. What is at risk? If it's at risk, okay, now let's put a label on it. If it's at risk, what else you can do? You can go into SharePoint, into advanced settings, or into the document library advanced settings, turn off search. So now it's not discoverable in search nor would it then come up probably in co-pilot as well. So that's one of the mechanisms that you can leverage. But until then, I would recommend and I actually put it in governance. Yeah, you can't get away from that governance conversation folks and it's a great point too is more and more organizations, not just thinking about search or what you're trying to do in this limited collaboration as you're preparing for the next phase of computing with co-pilot and with all the AI capabilities, even more important to go in and do that cleanup. So, and again, for people that are wondering, how do I even get started in that world? There are tools, there are consultants that can come and help you. So there's a lot of help. There's a lot of knowledge around how to do that. But again, I go back to the original point. Don't turn off Dell. 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