 But we're gonna live troubleshoot Roger's zooming problem. It's wrong with your uh, it's wrong with your zooming Thought it was the wireless mouse sending weird commands, but then you change the batteries twice and it doesn't seem to have fixed it To all beef patty special sauce lettuce cheese pickles onions on a sesame seed bun is not the whopper That's the Big Mac and Big Mac now comes in three sizes Because the Big Mac wasn't big enough anymore Crazy times we live in you know the weirdest thing about going I was talking before we went live here about how I went to McDonald's because I saw the movie The Founder and I wanted to order the original hamburger fries coke see how it how it's done these days and The way you mind if I reboot Just so I see we can get it Okay, yeah, if you got to you got to bookmark these Wow your tabs. Yeah, he said two days tabs That will not help because today's today. All right, we're starting. I So anyway, here I am alone Yeah, so I like the founder it was good I wanted to experience that original lineup and the idea That I had was to order the hamburger the fries and The coke smalls The original the original menu items hamburger, I didn't see on the menu So cheeseburger all over the place, but you know and of course the three sizes of Big Macs and quarter pounder and all that stuff Hamburger did show up because they have those electronic menus that flip from one thing to another so they can have more items up there Finally saw it on on the Happy Meal menu You can get a Happy Meal with a hamburger or cheeseburger. I don't think I ever saw just the hamburger listed On the menu, which I thought was pretty crazy Snago says McDonald's tricks him into visiting every 10 to 12 years and he's always disappointed. I Have to say as I mentioned and before I went live It just tasted like ketchup the burger did ketchup and salt Oh Thrunwald said he tested the Burger King ad with his Google home before Google blocked it We'll talk about that in a little bit Google home wakes up, but then goes back to sleep So I think Google's not returning a result for that voice search because it's I so you got it after they blocked it Yeah, as of 245 Eastern the Burger King ad no longer triggers the Google home So Google hasn't said anything about it, but it does seem like they've put a block on it. It was I Mean I think a lot of people are shaking their fists at Burger King today And and pretending to be outraged. I want I don't know. I don't know how many people this actually affected a lot more people are outraged than it actually affected because wow it's Fashionable these days to be outraged about stuff if I can be outraged about something I'm gonna get outraged But I don't know that too many people actually unexpectedly had Burger King's ad Trip off their Google home. I should probably save some of this for the show, but I do I do think Burger King achieved their ends. They wanted they wanted press and they've got it We're gonna talk less about the ad and the advertising side of it on the show Roger and I are gonna talk about more from the smart speaker side of it from from the side of it About hey, you know, why is it that we're in a situation where this works? And when can we get to a situation where it doesn't? Yeah It is I mean, how do you guys feel I I certainly am not going to throw stones At people who express outrage. I am a person who many times have expressed outrage over something on the internet But I find myself Less wanting to do so and even even in cases where there's legitimate Need for it wondering like is it necessary to get mad about this? It just feels like everybody like like it is the cool thing. It is the common thing to get mad It is uncool to find something positive in something Oh All right, Roger's back my monologue that I've been going on may now and So wonky Mother junker. Can you can you work with it or do you need to fix it before we can go? Why are you still so big to me? That's what I'm saying like is it something you have to fix to be able to do the show or can you get by? I can get by but I don't know why it's doing. I haven't done anything Like it was working. Did you try plugging in a mouse? You know, let me do that real quick try plugging in a mouse and turning off the wireless just to eliminate that All the cool kids are being negative. Yeah So I would say and this this is just what I'm doing myself Anytime I feel that snarky remark coming on I Asked myself Is it really that funny? Is it actually really contributing anything to the conversation? And is there something equally entertaining or insightful that you could say that isn't negative? Sometimes I'll post the snarky thing. Anyway, I'm not you know, I'm not saying there's no place for stark in the world But man is there's plenty of it There's no there's no dire Deficit of snark and negativity going on these days You know I Through my life. I've been the person, you know with a little bit of a cynical bent. So I get it Honest man It's strike it rich every time I feel a snarky remark. I run over and post it on park. That's what it's there for Absolutely, let's see if Roger Yeah, as soon as I turned it off. It's fine. Yeah, it's what it was Man, I don't know what to do. Don't use a wireless mouse I guess I need a new mouse Well, you know, it's kind of later. Yeah. All right. Oh, I'll need sharing. Yep. It's it's there. It's still there See Okay, your tabs Yeah, right All right here. Oh, let me get the right thing up Here we go The Bailey Tech News show is powered by its audience and May Texans not outside organizations to support the Daily Tech News show Visit daily tech news show dot com forward slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday April 12 2017 I'm Tom Merritt with me today Roger Chang our producer sitting in the hot seat filling in for mr. Scott Johnson who is out and about on a family Jaunt to Las Vegas. Do you believe him Roger? No, I don't know Uh, yeah, I accidentally said that Scott was gonna be able to show yesterday. He's not He's he's out gambling away his family's fortune in Los Angeles. I don't even think he gambles, but he'll be back next week Meantime though Roger. We have been gifted a lovely conversation to have today. Have we? Yes. Yes, we have Yeah, forgive me I'm having a little screen issue right now and all I see is your lips, but we can yes Well, we have a lovely discussion Lovely, I'm sorry about you having to see my lips. Let's start with a few tech things you should know Burger King made a 15-second ad that ends by triggering Google home doesn't work anymore Sure, everybody's fine with it. Nobody's upset, right? That's gonna be our main topic today. So we'll save that for later Facebook reports its Messenger app now has 1.2 billion monthly active users up from a billion in July and Facebook really wants to keep that Number going up because they want to become the worldwide messaging app They want to I mean they don't they don't operate in China, but anywhere else They want to be the app that people use to message and I have to say Roger I find myself using it more often than I would think that I would for various reasons It's a little It's a little odd because to be honest. It's not something you actively think about like it's not like oh I'm just gonna switch over to messenger. It's like, you know, that person's a messenger I'll just hit them up over that and it's At least in my case, it's very subtle, but it literally has become my second default Like who do I know I'll hit them up on on Facebook messenger versus like oh, they're on gchat or let me hit them on SMS kind of thing and it's it's I have to say of all the Facebook things It's probably one of the things I use It's one of the things at the top of the list I use very free I'm dragged into it because other people use it, but sometimes that's the only way to get in touch with them Yeah, or it's the only thing that both of us have I'm like, well, I do have messenger So sure, you know, I everybody's got a Facebook account, right? Samsung told axios.com that the voice feature of the Bixby assistant for the Samsung Galaxy S8 will not be available at launch in the United States However, the vision home and reminder functions will be available at the US launch on April 21st Sounds like they just don't have an English version working Could be or they just want to kind of dial everything in so they'll have a cross your fingers a very You would want that dialed in by announcement time certainly by launch time So maybe maybe they maybe they uncovered something last minute and they know that they're very sensitive About negative press right certainly are so Now here are some more top stories Microsoft sent out invites for an event May 2nd in New York City now Everybody in the press has been nosing around trying to find out when's Microsoft gonna announce their next Hardware usually they have a spring announcement. What's it gonna be ZD Nets? Mary Jo Foley co-host of Windows Weekly has been saying it doesn't sound like we're getting any new surface tablets Well, here's the big event and it's so funny. It's so funny to me How many reporters and respectable reporters just can't not still speculate about whether there might be some Surface hardware at this event or what kind of hardware will be at the event, but here's the title learn. What's next? Microsoft edu. So if it's a hardware launch as rumored It's gonna be centered around education So I don't know Roger if you've got a guess but my guess is that we'll see some kind of Chromebook competitor maybe but we're not gonna see a mainstream piece of hardware I I Have a feeling it might be like you kind of like a Hardware soft not software, but service that goes hand-in-hand. Yeah. Yeah, and built around education, right exactly And so it might be something where it's like well, it's not completely brand new, but it is packaged or it's been tweaked For a very specific in this case academic education market You know and it's one of those things where the the less you know about the less you're like I'm not sure it's kind of funny because the less they the less details we have about the little less interested Some people get right. It's like well, I haven't seen any leaks They haven't you know, you haven't heard any rumors about like oh, they have a new you know New screen design or new keyboard or anything. It's just like what's all very must be all very dull and uninteresting Because no one is bothered to leak The the one rumor that that Mary Jo Foley mentioned was the idea and this came from digit times Which has a spotty record of some kind of clamshell cloud-based hardware, which would be a Chromebook Competitor of some sort That combined with this actual Microsoft invite. That's about education Sounds like well, maybe maybe it won't be clamshell. I don't know about that. Maybe it will be but I could see them coming up with a Chromebook competitor a Microsoft cloud device Targeted towards education because Google's been doing very well selling Chromebooks to the education sector Could probably I mean it's that part of the market is still One of those where if you if you if you not playing big But if you can hit all your all your targets in a row it could be a very big I wouldn't say pale, but it could be a very lucrative market But it's not as lucrative as the enterprise in general because my education isn't rife with money But it's it's it's large orders and repeat orders often and it's repeat orders and you know the You know the spinoff is an apple kind of did this is Students who are who are using these Microsoft branded products later on life Well, you know, I'm just gonna default to Microsoft because so used in school and that's what I'm familiar with That's what Apple was making on when it was doing all those educational Discounts with Apple too is the schools because kids learn on an Apple too. Well, what are they gonna use at home? They're gonna use an apple too, which is odd with Chromebook when you think about it, right? Yes, you're not gonna grow up and I guess you could grow up and keep using a Chromebook There's nothing wrong with that, but it's not like they have a a next level project product to graduate to In that space although it could be akin to like, you know, I slept in the racing car when I was a kid So I'm an adult. I'm gonna get a racing car to sleep it But this time a real one the internet association which represents companies like Google Facebook Netflix and Microsoft met with FCC chairman US FCC chairman object Pi Tuesday to share views on net neutrality The association wants the FCC to forbid using so-called choke points to extract fees or slow down certain sites It's probably a reference to what Netflix went through when Comcast said well, you know If you want us to upgrade throughput, you've you've got a you know strike a deal with us They want to prohibit ISPs from selling prioritized access the so-called fast lanes where they'll they say oh Well, we'll deliver you at a at a prioritized rate if you pay us a little money that both of those things are currently Prohibited in varying ways particularly fast lanes fast lanes is 100% prohibited by the current open internet guidelines But object Pi has indicated he wants to change the open internet guidelines He apparently told the telecoms last week that he wants to put a voluntary scheme in place that would be enforced by the federal trade commission So it's the knee-jerk reaction is often to say ah the FCC in the pocket of big companies But which big companies because you have some the biggest companies in the world in in companies like Google and Microsoft Saying we don't want you to change anything But if you are we want to make sure that you don't change these parts of it and then you have the telecoms Which are big companies as well Who've got a longer lobbying tradition saying oh no we really need you to scrap that whole thing because it gets in our way you know The cynic in me would say that Pi is essentially just positioning himself for some sort of future political career by by basically Bowing to the interests of selected not in it when you say big companies I think if they I think it sends like well just people with money or Forcing this issue. I think it's people with Selected interests so in so much that in other words if I am an FCC chairman Looking to become like Michael Powell did the head of the telecommunications organization the CTIA Or the cable organization the NCTA then I Want to make those people happy because I am not going to get a job with a lobbying Organization for Google or Facebook is that kind of what you're going kind of I mean it is You know it I think sometimes people might be a little I don't might be a little too I don't use their naive, but they assume that you know, it's very straightforward You give them money and they do what you want Pi might have a different agenda and This might play into it or not. I mean it really well wheeler came from there He came from the CTIA right or yeah, he came from the CTIA, right? Yeah, the telecom organization But I mean it's one thing to have come from it's another thing to be going towards and you know, I Mean it's I I'm on the fence of this could just be Him honestly believing that this is a bad, you know What opa net neutrality is now is truly a bad thing or you know and maybe in six months He'll you know reveal the rest of his hands and indicate that yeah He is just being very political brings, you know self-interested about how he's positioning himself usually a combination, right? Nobody asks from one motivation. Oh, no There's probably a combination of the ideology he subscribes to and the motivation Which actually goes hand-to-hand if if your true belief is the telecom should be unfettered You also were probably the kind of person who wants to work at the telecom industry Yeah Yeah It's I mean it's a little disheartening Actually, it's very disheartening But I think I think yeah, yes, but I think that the The plus side is that you do have these large Internet companies that are Standing up and saying Hold on, you know this this isn't actually in the best interest of the industry and there's why there's pushback It's not in their best interest. I don't think they're really doing it on behalf of you Oh, no, no that that's yeah But I mean that the fact that there is pushback is is a sign that it isn't people aren't completely yeah Well now now that there are other rich organizations involved. They're gonna listen to it Yeah Qualcomm has agreed an arbitration to pay blackberry 814.9 million dollars to settle a royalty dispute if you think I misspoke there I meant to say Apple. No, I picked the right fruit. It's blackberry and Qualcomm settling a patent dispute The arbitrator determined that a Qualcomm's royalty cap program should have applied to payments made by blackberry under a Licensing deal and that therefore blackberry had overpaid royalty fees between 2010 and 2015 Yes, Qualcomm is fighting a similar battle over licensing fees with Apple that we've mentioned as well So what is this is like, you know Every of the an actually every week there is seems to be a patent a Patent litigation either in going in or coming out. It's come back It's come back it was it had died down for a while, but it really seems to have come back and this time It's all about it's all about mobile technology versus design The last wave was all about, you know chamfered edges and rounded corners and things like that this time It's about it's about chip design And I think a lot of it has to do with Qualcomm Realizing that they need to protect their borders that some of their patents may be their future revenue Indicators because a lot more people are starting to eat into their space Especially with Apple trying to make their own chips in a lot of cases, you know, and it's I mean, but you know It's also telling how deeply in bed all these companies are with you with each other I mean blackberry still in partnership with Qualcomm, right? That this hasn't I don't think this will necessarily sour any future club I mean, I don't know if you could really fairly say they're in bed If there's a patent that they have to license to build their product. I mean, that's just they don't have a choice Oh, yeah, but I mean like you have I mean that but that's what I mean. I mean you do. What are you gonna do? I mean, you just can't It's like you going to it's like you you know going to You know you're at a law firm and you're basically, you know And to dispute with one of the partners and you start going at it to the court. I mean, it just seems It just seems it just seems very Like stuff like this maybe 10 15 years ago It's like whoa, maybe we won't work with these guys anymore kind of thing, but it's like, you know, what do you go? I mean you you are come Apple one is a is a is a bigger deal because Apple can just try You know design their own thing, right? And and that's probably part of why Qualcomm is a bit defensive there With the blackberry one this this might you know We tend to want to really personalize it and emotionalize these sort of things Because you know, you see headlines of Qualcomm refuses and and blackberry demands and and of course legal Notifications have to be written that way because you want them to appear strong Well, be honest if you see these guys in the conference room talking about this, they're probably all friends They probably all go golfing and and have dinners with each other I'm and I'm sure that's probably not the case, but they do meet each other for Christmas parties Yeah, yeah or something right but they don't hate each other It's that blackberry is like we don't really think we should have you know had to had to pay the extra license fee That should have fallen under the cap and qualcomm so we'll know we don't you know We think you did need to pay that and they go to court not everything is that I'll see you in court explanation point moment Uh, you that's true, but when it does I mean it's that that that is like it I mean, it's pretty serious stuff like you do you want to avoid it Sure. Yeah, I just I just I don't know it just seems there's be a lot of these And I I guarantee we're gonna see a lot more Well, and I think what is significant you're right about it is we've seen a couple in a row from qualcomm and granted two doesn't make a pattern Uh, but that combined with the fact that that you know qualcomm is is under I wouldn't say siege, but you know, there's a lot of people trying to move in on their territory So so they need to stake it out while they can because having having good patent revenue is what's actually making blackberry continue to survive so Yeah, it's I mean, you know It is I I have said too much I've said too much already. I don't think you said too much, but yeah Amazon's good friendly book video and app service called amazon free time is adding a new parent dashboard Along with activity reports. The dashboard will feature something called discussion cards that will suggest topics for conversation Or activities with children based on what they've been doing on the service So books they've been reading videos. They've been watching games. They've been playing the cards are written by amazon content editors This is not an ai thing. There's a little little algorithm that's matching them up though Uh, three dollars per child for prime members five dollars a child Otherwise is what free time costs that that part isn't new But these discussion cards are and I know your daughter roger definitely enjoys her tablet She does but it's not an amazon tablet. Is it it's not an amazon? No, it's a samsung galaxy tablet. I'll have you know Um, and it's it's pretty handy. I mean there is she's at the age where she just loves Uh, like those kid videos on youtube and so we have the youtube kid app on it Um, you know, and I was I was looking at free time a while ago and I realized y'all you need a fire tablet You need to you need to buy into the the ecosystem. I have a kindle. So as she gets to the age where she actually can read I'll probably try to get up on that But it is it it is very helpful to have a parent dashboard It's one of those things I think amazon is getting right from out of the gate is that you do want to have some sort of Moderation tool that parents can use to manage their your kid's screen time, right? You don't want them constantly looking at a screen It's not like You know, it's not like I don't have a no screen time But I would like to minimize it if possible although with kids, you know Um, yeah, you do what you can but I and I already see a couple people in chat room with similar comments But I've seen some people in reaction to the story say oh, yeah Let let uh, you know spy on your kids instead of actually talking to them Do you feel like this replaces interaction or or is it supplemental saying oh well No, I mean I could see what my kid's doing, but I can know a little more by looking at this. You know what? Kids are are for the most part still kids right you can talk to them about things But they might not necessarily be as articulate as an adult when it comes to talking about Things they like and things they do and so what you do is you can base at least Some informed decision based on the behavior like certain videos. Oh, they like dinosaurs, right? You know or the or you think they like dinosaurs But what they really like are things with teeth like sharp teeth so it could be like, you know a shark or something else and so it's um You know, I I understand the I understand like oh you can spy on your kids But you know what when you're when you're watching your kid and you're you checking out their friends or Whether they've been or what they're doing. Yeah, you are spying on them because you're you're they're you're they're they're trying to take care of them Yeah, you're trying to take care of when you're trying to understand what's happening in their world And you can't do that necessarily by having a leave it to beaver sit down on the bed Frank discussion because that doesn't happen. Well, plus I like seeing data about myself At google analytics dashboard that tells me what apps i've been using and how many emails i I like seeing that because it tells me things about myself that I don't realize You can find out patterns that you wouldn't realize yourself So why wouldn't you want that for your kid to be like? Oh, this is the book. They're really been spending a lot of time with That's cool. I I can verify that they've been spending a lot of time with and then these content cards Say, hey, you know what? Ask them about this aspect of the book or maybe take them to to this uh museum where they can find out more I think that's all positive. I think that's great and really I mean, these are just tools, right? I mean, it's really up to the parent on how They're used and integrated into the the parenting uh aspect and you know, it's It's it's it's very easy to say that, you know, well, you're just going to be one of those Uh, not like, you know tight-fisted parents that just want to control every aspect of the kid's life Yeah, you know it it comes down to the parent really. I mean, yeah, if you're a helicopter parent This isn't going to make things better But it also won't turn someone into that. It's it's a tool It definitely is a tool and I think it I think it's I think it's great. I do I was looking through it. I didn't see in a um What I would have liked is just something that would have flashed Like where you could put reminders like hey, it's time to turn off the screen go outside and play Or hey, you know, you did you do your homework or you know, some other things that you can't customize the messages Uh, that I that I that I went through that I did not see but possibly there might be something that they're gonna Uh, oh the other thing I would love to have added was to customize some of these cards Did I yeah, that would be a cool thing for them to add so that you could put your own cards Or like for example, like, oh, we went to the zoo today Does that remind you of the cat you read in, you know, splat the cat book or something sure Google has a new web-based drawing tool called auto draw that uses machine learning to suggest professionally draw an art to replace What you draw unless you're a professional artist Say you start doodling a dog auto draw will then put drawings of dogs up at the top for you to choose And insert into your drawing you can try it out on any device It's cross-platform because it's just a website at auto draw dot com I am going to attempt To to to do some auto draw while I get your reaction to this roger I You know part of me really likes this the other part of me kind of doesn't like it um From an artistic sense. I think part of part of Why this might be considered somewhat abhorrent is that uh, it's a skill you want to develop and hone So you need to practice right it's like having if you're playing the piano or learning to play the piano And you're playing something. You're just really bad at it at first out, but piano Uh, essentially covers up for you by it's like, oh, this is what you wanted to play And so you sound like you know, uh, uh, well, maybe not a concert, uh, concert pianist, but at least someone who's Played uh played it for a while apparently My drawing is so bad It came out with a circle that it can't even Give me anything or privacy badger was stopping a service from running I can't tell for sure Ah, there we go privacy badger must have been been stopping it because i'm trying to draw a dog And nothing was coming up, but now it is it thinks i'm trying to draw a rat Oh, no, there's some dogs and spiders up there Okay, so there see so I can draw this horrible thing and then choose that oh look I drew this dog. Do you like my dog? Nice. Yeah Well proportioned lines Thank you So so you I I think this is great. I don't have any problems at all. I think it's great for people who don't care to learn They just want to be able to To illustrate something for this is and this is a drawing tool It doesn't just do that little trick of replacing your drawing with a better one It it allows you to make flyers and I mean it's it's a total paint tool So if you're like hey, I want to make a birthday Flyer for somebody I can't draw But I don't want to have to search around for birthday cakes I kind of know what i'm looking for I could sketch it out and then give me a better one Why what's wrong with that? Oh, no, no, and that's what i'm saying. Half of me loves this idea The other half of me seem kind of is like, oh, you know it's like having to play your piano You're gonna play the piano or not Kind of big and well if you can't play the piano Well, the player piano is the better option, right? That's my point and therefore there are two sides of me Yeah, yeah, I hear you fighting. It's like, ah, it's stupid, but no, it's the best thing ever for people Who might not be the the best art don't want to learn but but they need to put together a presentation A flyer some sort of notice with you know, big jib says it's fun for pictionary You know that's cheating though, really That would be that's a bridge too far big jim that that I think is a little cheat Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines in each day less than five minutes round five minutes Subscribe to daily tech headlines.com. We summarize all the stuff for you. It's available on amazon echo and In the new anchor app available in the app store all right Let us move on to burger king which began running that 15 second ad that ends by triggering google home To read the first paragraph of a wikipedia entry for the whopper burger this upset some google home users It also might upset whoever has the next ad after burger king or you if you're trying to hear the program If the burger king adds the last thing in the in the set I don't know if that ever happened. They may have said no it can only start a series of ads It also set off an editing more on the wikipedia article Fermacado one two three Appears to have changed the burger king article on april 4th He also appears to be fernando machado The marketing chief for burger king So if if this is true on april 4th, perhaps Burger king's marketing chief went in and changed the wikipedia entry So it would sound better when it went off as part of this ad uh It has been changed since because once people figured out this was happening and of course everybody can edit wikipedia Everybody tried to go and put horrible things in wikipedia and then the wikipedia editors changed them back And then they ended up putting the article under a protected status and reverted it To before the april 4th changes roger So do we know do we know what he changed it to? Okay, yes, what it says now and what it said before machado got to it was Uh the whopper sandwich is the signature hamburger product sold by the international fast food restaurant changed burger king And it's australian franchise hungry jacks Which is you know, it's true. It's fine and it Uh isn't really a great thing for an ad to trigger So it got changed on april 4th to the whopper is a burger consisting of a flame grilled patty made with 100 beef With no preservatives or filters topped with sliced tomatoes onions lettuce pickles ketchup and mayonnaise Served on a sesame seed bun which Honestly is also 100 true if you didn't tell me a marketing person wrote this i'd say oh, well, that's just someone Writing up the ingredients of a whopper it's um you know, it's I mean, there's been cases of this before I think I mean, that's part of what that's what that's one of the uh Dangers or lease complaints people have about wikipedia is that it's potential of being adulterated To a specific end that may not be in the interest of you know, the the general researcher or you know, person who wants to learn About what goes into a whopper It's the it's only the beef part that sounds ad copy to me a flame grilled patty made with 100 beef with no preservatives or fillers If this thing just says the whopper is a beef burger topped with sliced tomatoes onions lettuce pickles Then then it doesn't sound as ad copy like to me and it's fine But that's still that still brings us to the question of Of first of all should burger king be editing its own wikipedia entry. No, that's just that's just bad matters Bad form. Yeah, it's bad form And two should they be setting off people's google home? No, they shouldn't but also these things shouldn't be Set off, right? I mean there needs to be a way for these not to be set off this way They're they're I think there's there's the it needs to be approached on several fronts one Like with wikipedia, I mean, there should be a level of etiquette at least in marketing or ad circles about how you approach Internet of things or or smart speakers or voice assistants or whatever um Like that's not a line you cross right you you could stick a flyer on someone's door Right, but you don't open the door going and then put like, you know You know cut out of a pizza pie on their dinner table say hey, this could be home tonight if you call this number It's like no it's it there there's a line that doesn't be crossing. I think Because it's so easy and so simple Some people might say well, you know, there really isn't a barrier and if People didn't want to listen they wouldn't have it on right at least by the tv where it could be listened to um And I think that's I think as we move into this and this these devices become more ubiquitous I think there needs to be a a line drawn at least if if not in the industry at least within um Broadcasting advertising, you know people who actually do the sales like hey, we're not going to run this because this might trigger um What on the same way that we have? Uh ad guidelines all like you can't you can't do cigarette ads because this isn't oh it might trigger That's what happened during the super bowl. Google ran an ad that used its trigger word But I don't think they did it on purpose because when when it triggered the google homes It didn't bring up anything. It just had google home going. I'm sorry. I didn't understand what you said, right? So I don't think that was on purpose. This is definitely on purpose. And it's It's a little annoying. I think in in many ways. It's right up there when you get a telemarketer call On your phone like where it's just it's just like yeah, you got that same feel of like no, I didn't ask for this stop it It's it's uh, it's unsolicited It's I'm assuming most people would unwanted by most people and you know, they should people should like you know what? I don't want this google give me a give me the option or amazon give me the option of just Be able to blanket out anything that comes out of my tv or put put something in the signal that you Know that's that you know that weekend here. Well, that's what happened at 2 45 p.m. Eastern time today suddenly The burger king ad stopped triggering google home. However, if you say what is a whopper burger then Then it will still do it it they have it appears although google hasn't confirmed it But it appears that google blocked specifically the the sound of the ad from triggering Um, I mean is that our new do not call list in the future. These are you got to create a filter of This by the way the poor guy. I hope the guy who was in the ad doesn't own a google home because now His google home is gonna work for him Because they blocked his voice print No, what they should do is make this so that only you can trigger your device And there's been talk about having multiple accounts show up for the google assistant The pixel phone can distinguish by user so so google can do it They don't seem to be able to do it on the google home yet There was a time report back on february 27 saying amazon is working on a feature to distinguish between individual users That is supposedly called voice id But again, uh, these devices don't do it yet. So at this point You're stuck with turn off the mic if you're going to be watching tv Uh, uh, or maybe change the wake word which you can do with amazon echo. You can't do that with the google assistant Uh and training the voice Which I don't think you can do on google home either But you can do on amazon if you train the voice that may refine it enough that it only responds to you Especially maybe if you have an accent or something like that, but uh, but there really isn't much you can do at this point And I think you know, I think we will be in for at least a short period of time We'll see a lot of um Okay, there's gonna be a lot out of activity where you know, not just advertisers, but whoever it could be like You know a robo call like for a political action party Um, you know, you could have you could have a candidate literally put in their ad At least for the initial two runs like don't forget to to vote for me and check out, you know, then google You know, uh, okay google check out blah blah blah the dam project that Totally over spent eight billion dollars because my opponent wasted money, you know, it's stuff like that Although with a robo call you'd have to have it on speakerphone for it to work But but you could do a political ad on tv No, that's not an actual phone, but like a political ad on tv that triggers And you know, it's it's gonna it's gonna be kind of a little a while You know year or maybe half a year until I guess these companies start setting up filters It's one drum wall points out one of the worst things about these assistants is if they don't respond when you want them to And so the companies have aired on that side of things And granted, you know a little Super Bowl snafu this Burger King ad It's not the end of the world. Neither of these things have done horrible things. Yeah, there was the San Diego announcer Who accidentally ordered things for people on their amazon echo because he didn't realize You can put in a four code on your amazon echo to protect yourself and maybe you should do that Four digit code to protect yourself None of these things have been really horrible yet yet This these are these are the clarion calls these are the times when we should say hey If burger king could do this people with nasty error ideas could also do this And so let's figure this out sooner rather than later Yes, and uh, you know, I don't know what formula will take I mean I would hate for it to resort to a physical like you got to hold down this button And then speak well, I mean and that that's your work around it Especially on google home is turn off that mic except when you're going to use it that definitely makes it less Uh convenient though. Yeah, and you know that that is the balance, you know, how do you make it convenient? But how do you also make it? Yeah intelligent enough to do we're discerned but Also affordable enough so people buy them. Well, it's all about a cloud service, right? So it's it's making sure that with the mic equipment that you have on this And if they could put it in the pixel, they should be able to put it in the home. I would think Can can you recognize voices well enough? And the first company that nails it where they can limit it by voice print and still have that, you know 99.99 9 percent responsiveness Is going to have a big marketing advantage at that point because even if this isn't affecting people a lot I mean, I don't think a lot of people got affected by this burger king ad But a lot of people are upset by the idea of it So they would respond to somebody saying hey, guess what we now have voice id I I I think this is where our super smart ai from our previous discussion Won't come about definitely hiding around because all it's doing is listen to people thought And then figure out whether or not they were ordering something Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. We had a couple of you guys Good to see sp. 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That's Man, I don't know if it's chrome doing weird updates, but maybe it was the wireless mouse Doing something to chrome that then persisted even after you changed mouses Maybe I don't know that just seems but if it's chrome Well, because I used to have a problem where if chrome would zoom in I would suddenly be like I I don't know what to do I don't I don't know how to get out of it and then then I figured out the actual size Option in the menu, but every once in a while. I don't know what I'll do I'll just hit the trackpad on the laptop in the wrong way and it zooms in So if if your wireless mouse did something weird and then it just stayed I don't know I don't know. I think it's just chrome. What do we got for titles? All right. All I see is your lips Of course What's the beef with google home? I like that. That's clever Bixby is starting to hulk out bk google now Internet gets a pie in the face A royal which which cheeses google homeowners off The royal cheese, but that's a mcdonald's burger not a burger hamburger Burger burger burger king makes a whopper of a mistake It's waiting for one of those. Okay, google. What's the beef? Okay, google have it my way burger rage Qualcomm pays a lot for them blackberry patents Actually blackberry was paying too much. I thought you said pants not patents for some reason Blackberry's trying to actually claw back some of the money they gave to qualcomm because yeah, yeah, it's the other way That's actually that's pretty funny But uh, what's the beef with the google home? A whopper of a mistake. That's good two gpads Yes, wait, where's that? What's the beef? It was a whopper of a mistake Oh, I like that one. Yeah, that was good too. I just put in it Whopper whopper I made a mistake again one of their two for five buck deal things Oh, what it is what it is is about fast food that makes it so delicious going in but then it's not it's not that good It's not but you just like it just hits your salt buttons or something. You know, that's what I that's what I think it is So I just started by I bought these I think I tweeted about I bought these ruffle all dressed chips Which are like super canadian potato chip flavor. Okay, so they taste like hockey got it No, it doesn't it actually tastes like it's a joke It tastes like ketchup mixed with barbecue sauce. Okay, and vinegar well And I it doesn't really taste all that delicious But I eat one and I can't stop eating. That's the thing. That's the thing. Here's so so one of the things I learned when I read the foodist What by daria rose was that if you you have to reset your palette Because when you trigger some of those tastes Your body just wants to keep eating them. Like I don't necessarily crave chocolate chip cookies But then when I eat one I want to eat like five more, right? So you can't eat just one is it's totally a thing And she says it it doesn't just happen in small time increments. It can you can build up a system where You you know you do crave things because you're having them regularly and if you stop having them regularly you'll stop craving them Well, I found that to be true when I started to eat healthier Suddenly things that I used to think of as delicious Just looked bad to me did not sound good anymore Because I wasn't craving the that little salt or fat rush. Well, I'll tell you what kind of knocked me off that one um Was stopped being a lot of the salt like the salty snacks and foods And after a while a lot of those pizza ads it doesn't matter dominoes or whatever It just all their all those ads make me feel sick. Like I don't I can't I it's like why don't people eat that? It's like eating it's like eating drywall, but you know that they used to you used to look at them and think they look great So it's it's all it's all happening up and it's all in your head as they say on this weekend science it's like, you know, pizza not just pizza but things like tgif's or um Not ruby tuesday's uh, now some things always appeal to me like tacos And I don't want tacos. I don't like food in general. I don't if it's this the other thing I don't really like hardshell tacos anymore I like you like that. I like the soft. You know, I didn't like hardshell tacos very much for a long period of time Then I moved down to la and I'm like, oh, that's what they're supposed to taste like Um, they do them really good down here Burritos got to go to san francisco Again, I'm talking us. I'm talking us. I'm not saying that the burritos in mexico aren't necessarily better Burritos san francisco tacos la mexican food in general enchiladas breakfast tacos texas Breakfast tacos. You know, you like you're the best. You know, you crave those rancheros I used to eat that all rice and cheese Eggs and bacon. No, no way was ranch eggs, you know cheese Uh, you have a breakfast tacos. They're a whole different Well, no, no, no, I know Well, yes snago says come on ace detect. We know it's all about pie Uh, there that is also true pie always looks good to me pie and tacos Yeah, but you don't like apple pie I don't dislike apple pie. I don't want to you know come come off as unamerican. It's my least favorite fruit pie, though It's uh I like eat it. It's not like I'll refuse it. It's just not the one I get excited I like strawberry rhubarb because I like I like I like that texture that that chewy I think with apple pie. It's just that it's so common. I'm like, oh, well, that's you know, that's not that's not That's what I used to think and then it went up to the mirror when I would I don't want to say dragged us there, but invited us up to the Twin hills apple ranch with patrick and his family. Yeah, those are great apple pies I used to get those. Those are the best. They're still not my favorite pie though It's not that I haven't had a good apple pie I have and I think they're good. I just don't get as excited. It's just a thing. It's a thing. We can like different things people Are burritos really an american thing though? I thought burritos existed, but they aren't like the concept of What's in it except for the rice, which is a mission ss mission. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know I think a burritos is americanized For sure. I know that flour tortillas are an american or at least anglo introduction into Um, oh really they were all corn. Yeah, like it like I guess when When all the the english speakers moved into texas or whatever they started texas mix That was one of their flour tortillas are a texas mix thing. I don't know that I knew that Uh, yeah, it's I guess that was her contribution to the cuisine. I'm trying to think of anything else Burritos well, I used to go to el patio in austin and they would give you salsa Uh, which is the tradition in texas is you get salsa you get chips at salsa You don't have to pay for an extra they would give you salsa, but they give you saltines And if you'd have to pay to get the fried tortilla chips Which if you did those their tortilla their fried tortilla chips were amazing like they were made right then they were super hot And crisp and awesome, but they didn't have just free chips and salsa. It was kind of weird They had free saltines at salsa and that just always felt like that was very very like old fashioned texamax for some reason saltines yes You know actually what when you say texamax the first thing that comes to my to my mind is like real chili The stuff without the beans in it like it's like meat cornbread That's not texamax though. That's just chili Yeah, but isn't chili texamax. It's tex. It's I don't think it's mechs no mechs I think it's just tex. It's very texan though. Yeah Let's see texas chili parlor was one of my favorite places to eat pepper I had the four four It was chili peppers for chili pepper heat Once and it was quite hot It's Spanish for chili means to the pepper carne is meat 1850 official dish of the of the state of Texas Cincinnati chili Wait, what's it's a with or without beans chili? Oh I I think of texas and chili. I don't think it's a mexico thing It might have originated there, but when you go to a mexican restaurant that they might have chili con carne But they don't have chili like like you're thinking Oh chili I'm cornbread I need to eat more lunch Yeah, what did you have for lunch? I had whatever was left over of my chicken lunch meat and a Single slice of bread that I wrapped around it. I told the story earlier, but I had a mcdonald's hamburger A hamburger not a cheeseburger not a quarter pounder not a big mac not a super big mac or whatever I also had a salad because after I Hamburger I was like I need to eat something that's good for me Chili dog. That's the one thing I miss junk food. Why is that I won't eat anymore chili dogs I'm a huge fan of chili dogs the mess never outweighed the the taste never outweighed the mess for me Yeah, but did you eat it with your hands? Yeah Yeah, see I just rookie mistake That's right. Like everyone's just like just eat it with the forks. All right Mmm. No, I was told you must eat it with your hands. It's the law No, I've never heard of chili. Oh wait through walled in the chat room says I've never heard of chili without beans I've heard it without meat. I know I thought I've never heard of chili without meat. It's always got me as far as I knew That's well that was a whole point. You could have it The way I was raised was chili had beans But some people you know and didn't like having beans or couldn't tolerate beans. They would make it without beans for some people But what I understood was just like you're reconstituting dried Meat strips that they brought along on chuck wagons for cattle drives Yeah, yeah, and the beans weren't really part of it just just spiced it up and beans. They always had beans beans are Well, the beans actually weren't part of it initially from what I understand and there's slowly someone added them for some reason So well probably because if in that scenario you probably always have beans around like beans are so portable every Every, you know conestoga wagon had a thing of beans and somebody at some point decided like well, let's throw some beans in there too Why not? sky sky There were some beans in there cookie PJs PJC Reese crease PJ crease in the chat room says skyline chili does not have beans You know can chili I hate because it just never and I always get hard first But if I eat chili like it's cooked from a stove or something, it's fine Yeah, I don't know what is about can maybe it's something they put the can Or during the canning process Well, there's a can taste to things But why would it give me heartburn? They must cook it in a way For preservation that just gives me heartburn There's probably something in the way they're soaked Because when you properly prepare dried beans, you're supposed to soak them. Oh, I always get that I always get the no beans And maybe uh, and maybe the canned beans aren't properly aren't soaked in the same way. I don't think it's real meat Probably some soy based chicken chili mac. How about that now we're talking. Oh, I used to do that in college Yeah, such a bad idea and I thought I was being healthy by adding those birds. I like chopped Diced corns and peas like oh, this is totally gonna Unhealthy, but yeah, it doesn't magically make it healthy. I guess All right, thanks everybody for watching or listening We super appreciate you guys hanging out with us And enjoying the show with us and contributing and get out there and tell folks about it and we will see you tomorrow