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There's a link that says join membership. Click that link and in no time you'll be a member. Thank you very much and have a blessed day. Man, we're here with a guy today who don't need no introduction. This guy right here, he's been on Boss Talk 101 numerous a time. He's family, man. This guy right here, he hails, man. Like I'm talking about, man, one of the dopest musicians to ever come into the game, man. Come down to our history, man. Hey, it's some stuff about this guy. Y'all heard me talk about, we about to get all the way in his business. Clint Payback Sand is in the building. Man, hold up. Hold up, hold up. How you doing, man? Let's talk about it, man. Clint Payback Sand's in the building. Man, you know, man, shout out to you, man. For always rockin' with Boss Talk. When I call you, we have great conversations. Shout out to Kenyatta, your brother, man. How about the saddest thing about my brother? Man, all you brothers, all y'all came from good stock. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. For sure. My one was a G. So was Pops. Wow, man. I just really, I gotta just dive all the way in it, man. You talked to me a year ago here in the same hotel. We talked about Tupac. We talked about numerous of things, but since then, Keefe D. was arrested. Keefe D. was charged over 25 years later with the murder of Tupac. What did you think when you seen that happen after all that time? What is that? I don't know. I mean, that whole Tupac and Biggie's murder was like a fog to me, you know what I'm saying? Because you don't know who really was behind this, behind that. I was like, this man, this man, this man, this man. To the street saying he just told you the right things. I still haven't. I'm not that really like, investigated or anything like that. If I hear something, I hear something, you know what I mean? But Keefe D.'s name came up only recently, as far as I know. I never heard his name until like a year or two ago. Keefe D. wrote a book and he talked about it on several different occasions. He says that, you know, they pulled up beside him. It was, you know, pretty much in that White Cow Lack and he, you know, they were busing and Tupac tried to jump over to see the bullet hit sugar. And he's real detailed on what he's saying. You know, Orlando was his nephew. The guy who that was got beat up, got beat up at the casino. 20 minutes, 30 minutes. Yeah, at the MGM. So, you know, he was saying that this is what happened. This is what went down, wrote a whole book about it. And, you know, he went over to Blad TV and he told his story in depth so that everybody would know. And then even Blad said, hey, man, this is one that I did, you know, give my footage over to the authorities. And this is one I did participate in pretty much getting this guy, you know, arrested. Right. So, I don't know. Blad's different. Do you think he asked questions in a way to where it really it had people intense? You know what I mean? It's not that he's, I don't think I think it's his personality, the way he interviews. I really do like, like, you ain't going to get the same interview out of us because we, we, we, we, we look like the people he's interviewing. Right. So he's really intrusive. Yes. Yeah. Mama was a whole right. We're not. We're not. We're not. But it's so direct. It's like you're an interrogation room. Right. That's what I'm saying. He's trying to go here. So it's different than just having a conversation where you get on the camera and all us talking. Yeah. But I definitely know that Keith, he said that he was one that he helped, you know, navigate that, that one for sure. And he takes credibility for it. Um, you know, peace out to two blacks family. That was a terrible loss. Because dude was 25, man. That's a baby dog. Yeah, he was 25. Um, so, you know, it was, it was behind the scenes. Man, people are wicked as hell. There's no telling what the real story is. And it's probably worse than what, than what he's saying. You know, I heard a Lando shot. And so that's nephew. I think it was nephew. I'm old. Let me give my, give my nephew life. And then they, they killed. Right. Well, it was, it was, some say it wasn't the people who, you know, wasn't for parking was on something else, but I'm saying him not living. So why now, or, you know, in the hood snitch is like the worst thing. So why write a book about yourself? That don't make no sense, bro. Right there is those a monkey wrench and any reality that he spit. You feel me? So then he might, might say, Hey, man, I give you some money to take this rap, get it off of me. Well, it was really behind it. And here's some couple M's. You know what I'm saying? For you and your family. I pay your mama house off, your grandma house off. I put your kids to college. You know what I'm saying? America is, I mean, you know, not as people are wicked, man. You have no idea. And if he did, he wasn't going through enough. That's another dude. Oh, here's here. Here he comes. Here's the here's the kicker. He ends up getting now pulled into this by QVD and the statements QVD is making and saying he had the ticket for he basically, you know, peeled them off some. And that's when he called and say, was that us? When it wasn't when it wasn't, you know, once Pac was hit. This is all alleged stuff that's being said. And some of it is recorded and talked about on different interviews. Because QVD went interview crazy. He went on everybody's platform telling this stuff. Puff Daddy. Going through a lot right now. Do you think that he had anything to do with that? Paying the money, but doing a, you know, a payout on, you know what I mean? Um, I'll leave it at some alleged because I don't know Puffy and never talked to him and never met him. I don't know none of them brothers. And so I can't say yeah or nay. You know what I mean? It's all words. They can say he went to the moon. Oh, I got to believe it. His word until I talk to Puffy. So it is crazy because that's the way the internet is rolling now. To be honest with you in there for the clickbait. But at the end of the day, this is a real case with people getting arrested. People going to jail. People doing interviews. Only one ain't speaking is be did. He'd be arrested right now if they really had something up on him. I agree with that. You feel me? If they're going to arrest QVD and he talking all that and he put it in the book and all that. If it was real, Puffy be alone with him. QVD got in the back seat of the cop car. He said, you do the whole I am. And I was like, no, he's a young cop. He's not done. They arrested. They just told us come get you. He say, well, you know, he say, look, man, it happened in the 90s, man. They said I'm the one that killed Tupac. Allegedly. You know, that's the way he spoke out his own mouth. Like who would want to say that to a police officer when you in the back seat of a cop car? Right. Who's snitching on himself? Now, I know, you know, he might feel some kind of guilt, remorse. Like if you killed like somebody big, right? If I shot Michael Jackson and I'm going to kill her, I'm still might be like, oh, man, you know, because everybody love Michael Jackson. Everybody love Michael Jackson. Look what you did. You know what I'm saying? But who snitches on themselves and writes the book. They say that he thought he was dying. Why he came out and said what he said. I want to go to a hospital. You know what I'm saying? Not a jail cell. No, you're right. I'm supposed to die. I got that in his plans. Let me go. No, no. So I ain't got it. I don't know. It's just sad all the way around because, you know, divisiveness tears us, blacks apart. Yeah. It tears us apart. What if Biggie and Tupac got together into the record? What would that be like? What if Shug and Puffy stopped tripping and then formed like a record distribution company because both of them had big distribution companies distributing their shit. They had enough money to fund their own distribution. They could have bought something and then set something off. Right? They could have done movies together and the soundtrack would be off the chain. A snoop with a faith heaven or something like that. That would be off the chain. So divisiveness just kills us, man. So this is just more of that divisiveness and come to find out snoop, snoop was cool with Biggie. The kids play together. You know what I'm saying? I mean, Puffy and Snoop was cool. You know what I'm saying? So it was like, you know, if we get it all came together, you know, stuff would be off the chain. Wow. I got to ask you about this because I spoke to Phaeton about it. When Cassie came out and she said it, you did it. You know, he had done something. It was, what did he do? The sexual assault? What was it? You know, the thing is it happened years ago. Yeah. He had her sleeping with. Yeah. It happened years ago. Allegedly. Yeah. Allegedly. It happened years ago. Right. This was not new. So you're saying there should be a statute of limitation or something like that? They had one, but they said with that kind of thing, they removed the statute of limitations. Right. Because so many people are intimidated. Especially to me, when you're dealing with powerful people, imagine how many people are being intimidated not to come out and have been holding that for years. Intimidated not to come out when you're going out shopping and spending the money from the person in the list. I don't mean inventing something, bro. Who victimized you. The person who victimized you, it's just like R. Kelly. Like I said, them girls was, it was at the mall, but they said it was kidnapped, too. But it was going out and everything was going right back over there. Man, look, let me explain something. I don't know about that because I was on the East Coast. Right. On the West Coast, those predators and they intimidate people to shut the hell up. On the West Coast, we had gangsters shooting and kicking your ass and beating you up and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you were terrified to say something or deal with them because, you know, you couldn't expose them back in the day. There wasn't no social media where you can just go on your own page and say, hey, Puffy just had me, you know what I'm saying? You couldn't do that before. Are you scared for your family's life? Right. And they say it's such and such who you're going to go to. You know what I mean? So now I think with the internet, you can expose people to a man, people to wear now. If something happens to you after you expose them, they kind of say, oh, you know, he must have did it because she told on him. You know what I'm saying? Right. So back in the day, man, I knew a lot of like rappers and artists was taking physical abuse from these gangsters, man. It was a whole bunch of them. She was trained by four or five brothers. I was on that beach. You know what I'm saying? And they were a lot of people just terrified. Artists never even, they had black. They were just female artists. Female and male. Taking abuse, but terrified. Taking abuse, getting beat up. By who? By gangsters. By gangsters. Yeah. Who were running with gangs. We had a lot of bread. Yeah. In LA, money, money is power. And so a lot of gangsters are clean to you for that power. And you'll pay them for whatever. So now they ain't got to worry about slanging and getting arrested or whatever. They just do whatever you say. Go beat this dude up. Or go here. Or do they intimidate this fool? But when you're talking about even like female artists who are being, you know, beat up or allegedly beat up by, you know, powerful men, it makes you wonder like, okay, why do they do that? A woman that accepts abuse, seen abuse grown up. And why does, and the man who abused, did he see abuse growing up? He seen abuse growing up. A lot of, a lot of like, this goes to a deeper subject for me. It's like America broke up the black family. And when they freed us, the slaves, right? So they end up, that hiring the black man and hiring the black women, she got to go to work and then she come home. The food is nasty. The place is dirty. The kids, they did their homework. So now she got to do that too. And the man couldn't get a job. He would get a job and she would handle that, right? So now she got to get a job and handle that. So now it's like no use for the man. Do you think that they're doing that again right now? Because somebody... They never stopped. Because somebody gave up a point the other day and I was like, I see it, but then it's like, okay, the first female black billionaire was who? What on? The first, hold on, the first, not even female, they said the first black billionaire was Oprah. They gave it to a woman first rather than any man. And all of a sudden when she had it, then you see the man popping up, oh, this person is a billionaire, that person is a billionaire. Why they gave it to her first? Um, life for... That's what they said. For me, Oprah won't ignite a movement. She'll just keep making that money herself. She hasn't sparked a movement. This isn't like, okay, Oprah has her own studio now. She told Gail, now Gail got her own studio. Now this person got their own studio. Now Taraji got her own studio. Now they're not needing the movie distribution company now they're self-contained and they get funny on movie. She's not sparking that. Oprah doing Oprah. Tyler Perry doing Tyler Perry. Isn't that giving birth to somebody else? You know what I'm saying? Dre gave birth to Snoop. Dre gave birth to Eminem. Eminem gave birth to 56. Eminem gave birth to 50 Cent. It's not going like that. Listen, that's what Kevin Hart does. Kevin Hart brings a lot of other people with him. Right, he's sparking a movement. He's sparking a movement. She's not sparking a movement. Who came from Oprah? That blew up. I love Oprah. And she's doing her thing. And she tries out a lot of pressure on her. I'm pretty sure she dealt with death threats and everything like that. And I don't think they gave it to her. I think she earned it. Exactly. You know what I mean? But this goes back to what I was finishing saying. When they gave the black woman jobs and that demand, they feel like, well, the man will eventually have his own business and then hire his family. Well, the woman is just going to get her jobs and we're going to be cool with it. And so that broke up the family. So without a father in the house, the boy doesn't know how to resolve conflict. That's why they fight and beat up girls. They don't know how to, they're not taught to provide and push to make extra money to take care of themselves. And also how to resist temptation. You know what I mean? So when you got these grown men, but they just grown boys and that developed. And then they don't know the importance of their presence in the child's house because their dad wasn't there for them. So you got all these boys, grown boys having kids and that and having anything to do with them. And then you got women who've seen their mom single all the time. And without the man, a father in the house, the girl is not told she's beautiful without somebody wanting something for it. You know what I mean? So her confidence ain't there. And then if the man ain't around, she doesn't know what to do to keep a man. She doesn't know how hard she's supposed to work. So she will tolerate verbal abuse in that kind of situation or physical abuse. So I think, and those grown boys who I think puffy is and the grown girls who I think she is, recognize each other. He knows what to say to her to get her going. You know, and she'll follow behind him. You know what I'm saying? And so I feel like in those situations, all the girls that are victims went through that. You know what I mean? So no man going to put my dad, if I put hands on a woman, my dad's put hands on me. You feel me? So I'm like, my dad was six, three when I was growing up. So that was not an option. And my mom wouldn't have it. You know what I mean? But if he went around and maybe my mom dated some idiot that whooped her ass and now I think it is cool. And I'm not thinking as big of a deal as it is. So fuck it. But do you think it ever changed? Because then at the same time, you know, with the generation we're in where everything is social media, social media. And everything is out there for everybody to see even these kids. Because as much as you try to limit your kids' viewership on social media, they still, when they're at school, wherever they still go, find their ways to go on social media or use a friend phone, whatever. When you have people who, like, a blue-faced girlfriend who keep getting whooped and then says she's leaving with her child, you know, Christiane Rock, and then turn around and go back to him after being whooped like that publicly. And everybody is seeing her journey and, you know, yes, she's going to grow and she's going to be by herself. But then she goes right back, which a lot of victims do, but they see this and they might not see it in their household. Now they see it on social media feeling like it's okay. Right. It's going to get worse before it gets better. Wow. Because you got, before it was like, if it was a bad seed, he was at school and he affected the class, maybe 30 people. Now he's online with 20 million followers spreading into 20 million people, you know what I mean? To where adults are doing with kids following kids now. The kids out there doing this, they try to do the same thing. It's terrible. But that goes back to, you know, if you don't know how the standard of relationship should be, you accept verbal abuse, you accept being cheated on, you also accept physical abuse. I need to, maybe I need to tolerate this. You know, you hear the term like women who are accustomed to getting cheated on or seeing cheating when they grow up. They'll say, well, long as he comes home with me, I don't care what he does in the street. That's the woman who's being traumatized with seeing their mom deal with different guys that leave her and leave them struggling. Well, long as he comes home and pays the bills, I don't care what he out there doing. Because they think all men are going to do that anyway, because that's all they've seen. The Cosby show, we have some positive images out there that kind of say, no, this looks like this would, and that's why the media came so hard at that and knocked that down. So now we have, now the internet, the Instagram is our moral rule. Is there any TV show right now that's like the Cosby show that is for us that shows positive household? Blackish. Blackish. Is Blackish still showing? Not like it was, but it's still. I think they did, they did, right? Yeah. But that was the closest, probably. But then that was kind of like off the chain a little bit. But like, during the Cosby show, I grew up in the Cosby show type of house. My dad was a lawyer, my mom had a master's working for the city in a high paying job, and we all went to college and we weren't in and out of jail and having babies. You can't even find those reruns of the Cosby show anywhere, can you? Yeah, I'm pretty sure you grew up. I haven't seen it. I see good times for show. I see good times, but not the Cosby show. Oh my God. Y'all seem like a recent thing, a good time. You know how much they rent was? No. $100 a month. And he was working, scrambling, working at car washes. Trying to find a month to pay. $100 a month. I was like, are you serious? Is that hard? Like, come on, man. Well. They made this look bad. I was like, damn. Some people have it that hard right now. Yeah, I know, but I'm just saying, you know, like, that's on TV. We ain't got the rich one and the poor one in the middle. They showing us good times. We ain't got no money. What's happening to dad in a row? You know what I'm saying? The kids. The Jefferson, he had money. But he was a fool. He was a buffoon. You know what I'm saying? There was no family like that. It was just him and Weezy and his son. He had his son, right. But he wasn't like, you didn't see him raising them, taking them to school or doing his homework. You didn't see that part. You know what I'm saying? Let me cut in on this. Cat Williams shut the internet down. And he talked about a lot of different people from Kevin Hart, Steve Harvey, Cedric Entertainer, Ricky Smiley, Aries Spears, A's Unlucky and the list goes on. What did you think? Why did you do that? What did you think about it when you seen it? I mean, did you feel like it was needed? That it was something that he needed to do because he felt like these, all of these people had crossed him in some type of a way. He talked about Tiffany Haddish. He talked about all of them. The girl that he talked, had the differences at the radio station with him. What did this do for our people as far as he talked about Michael Blackstone? I can keep going. Right. Like, you know, it's crazy I had that conversation in the elevator with my partner Tiffany. She's got my back. She's always like, all right, what you about to do? You know what I'm saying? She always makes sure I'm on point with everything. So we talked about this in a lobby and in an elevator. And she made a good point. And I kind of talked about it again just earlier about divisiveness. You know what I'm saying? That kills us. That's breaking us apart. You know what I'm saying? Taraji wasn't really lined up with Oprah. So publicly they were divided and that hurt the film, right? So divisiveness in any form hurts us. Because being divided is destructive. Being together is productive. Let me say that again. I kind of like how I say that my damn self. Being divisive is destructive. But being together is productive, right? That's real. So one of Kat Williams got Michael Blackstone. Got Phazon. Got Cedric Entertainment. Got Steve Harvey. Put together a movie and started his own production company. Now he can put out movies with each one of them. How strong would that be? You know what I'm saying? Whoever, you know what I'm saying? Even Puffy. Do a little poem with Puffy. You know what I'm saying? Whatever he's talking about. What if he did that? What if he got together with them? Say, look, I wasn't going to blast y'all out, but check this out then. We should work together and let's build. I'm pretty sure they'll be down to build and they'll be down to even take a cut and pay just to get something, a bigger thing off. If he's going to lead a movement. That means instead of being divisive, let me be productive and hire all these brothers. I know what they get paid. Okay. I can put together a budget. He's paying for all his own concerts. So Kat Lokey is a hell of a man here. You know what I'm saying? Then you got Kanye West, all that money. I'm pretty sure he gets people he can go to and they've collectively got together and put out movies, all these comedians to be working. You know what I'm saying? They can be self-sustainable. So I think it's sad that we're continuing to be divisive and there's nothing for us individually. They probably got a nice check from the views and all that stuff. And we're feeding off of that dysfunction of that divisiveness. So they said, we can't wait to see that. Everybody's clicking on everybody. Why should four or five times and all the shorts, you know, so that divisiveness kills us. So I looked at it as sad to see how much, because what have you talked about coming together? How many views would they have? So it's like, man, it was sad to me. I wish they would. Monique, everybody that has problems with somebody to reconcile and come together. We're stronger in more numbers than we are with less numbers. And you don't have to reconcile on social media. You can actually put your phone. Or even if you don't have the person number, just go call somebody else who does and say, Nobody else does that. But we feed off a division that keeps us dividing us. We're an autopilot right now. Did nobody white pay Shannon Sharpe? Nobody white pay Kevin Hart to go and do what they did. Nobody. Shannon Sharpe. Shannon Sharpe came on. I just watched something on him today. Now he's fighting with it. Yeah. Yeah, he came on. He said, Mike helps, you know what I'm saying? Well, I see you. You know what I'm saying? I want you to. And then Mike come back and say, I'm not for to do no fighting. I got something that I can do with you though. He's leaning to the system. So, so. More divisiveness. More divisiveness. More divisiveness. They would be. I mean, it's a good platform. I love to see him talking, but it didn't used to always be like, was it all. I don't watch it until the Cat Williams thing really popped off on it. Like, was it divisive? Or was it just before this? Was it something that kind of brought our people together? Um, I haven't really like studied him because sometimes I analyze people, you know what I'm saying? But he's good when he gets you comfortable. He starts to show off saying, you're a great dish or this or that. You're accomplished. You did this, blah, blah, blah, blah. You let your mama, he breaks it all down and makes you feel like, oh, you get all comfortable here. Have some liquor. So now he's going to ask you anything. You're going to, stuff you might say, I ain't going to say this online. He might, they might say, you know. I got to drink me. I got to drink me a little drink. You know what I'm saying? That's it. I need it because of y'all. You know what I'm saying? I ain't doing no pressure. You know what I'm saying? You know, so they, so they go there and he starts asking questions like, okay, why does this just drop you? Or why does the answer is going to be divisive? Oh, he didn't see what I saw and me and them not fucking each other. And it's almost like, I don't think he's, I ain't going to say he's looking for that drama. But the questions he's answering, the answer to it is going to be divisive. And I say, he keeps, what for real? And he, and you keep elaborating. And the motherfucker said, who else? Well, you know. So that's what I was doing. You know, he's not bouncing the person out the person. He say, Cedric, the entertainer sitting there like a walrus. You know what I'm saying? He went to Steve Harvey. He just started bouncing. Steve Harvey said, and he did. He was thinking like a man. And he was, do you think that he really, that he really signed paperwork saying that the next movie that him and Ricky Smiley do, Ricky Smiley need to be in a dress because that's the part that best fits him. He need that to happen before he can do another movie. And the next movie was that best Sunday movie. Look, that's not even what I'm thinking about when I hear that. It's like, why would you say that publicly? And, you know, as far as at the end of the day, man, it goes back to us being together and being productive. You know, a lot of these brothers are doing whatever they can to get attention because we don't own the machine that puts us out. Right. So we're doing whatever the hell to get paid doing what we love to do through this machine that we got to go to that we don't own. If we own our own machine, you probably would never see it, Medea. Medea wouldn't have to be an old lady saying, I'll raise your stuff that is shocking to you. Everything is shock for us. They put out shock. NWA was shock. You know, these kids now are saying, oh, I shoot you and I sell dope and I got a boat and it's shock value. The girls are saying, oh, my kuchi's tanking. It's shock. So everything is shock. So seeing a guy, a grown-ass man in some dress talking crazy is shock. And so they can do that to us. They're not going to do that to themselves. You're not going to see, you know what I'm saying? Seeing the buffoonery that you see with us. You know, you ain't seen the white kids talking about how they shoot up schools. You're not going to see that in the song. You know what I'm saying? But they'll put our song out like that. So I think we need to control our narrative so we wouldn't have to be in some dresses. Because I'm pretty sure they're doing it for shot. They know if they do this, they're going to get this check and they get paid. If they don't do this, they may not get a check. That's real. That's real. You know, if we own our own, our own, you know, machine to put these films out, I think all that had changed. And I think that's the major problem across entertainment. You know, why are we arguing and fighting with each other? Why did Color Purple come out on Warner Brothers? Why? Oprah got $2.8 billion. I just looked at her wealth up. $2.8 billion. And Tyler got $1.2 billion. And the movie cost total was $150,000. The marketing, the total bill was $150,000. They could have both chipped in $75,000 and put that out. Why? Tyler Perry could shoot the whole thing on his studio and everything. So it probably wouldn't even cost that much. Why? And they weren't even the real producers. They were just hired to put their names on it for you to go see it. It was a white guy who produced it. It was a whole other person directly. It was all a money game, a money play. No, it was a money grab. A money grab. Wow. Did you watch Color Purple? No. And I didn't either. I didn't either. Why? You watched the first one. I've seen the first one a thousand times. I love Oprah. She did a thing. Whoopi Goldberg. They all, everybody did their thing. But what happened last time? But I just felt, I want to see, like that was another device of movie. You know what I'm saying? It's more abuse. It's more, we're seeing more abuse. I want to see some positivity. You know what I'm saying? They had the negative and positive, but it was a lot of negative in there. It was like the first one, he was beating the hell out of her. I mean, blah, blah, blah. What's the ending she left? The end she left, but she dealt with her for years. She was a kid when it first started. But in life, you have a lot of people out there who live in their life. We don't need to be seeing that, man. We need to see something a little different. You show wheels ugly. Yeah, but he got whatever she was like, what, 10, 11, and got her pregnant? Yeah. Come on, man. We didn't really need to see that. I was like, I didn't know what they were going to show. I might see the video, but I was like... But it also brought up, because when Teraji was promoting it, she was talking about how unfair wages for actresses. You remember when you saw her going around? What do you think about, not just unfair wages for actresses, unfair wages for black female actresses? This subject is old for me. Like, y'all remember Different World, and Paddle of Bill had a show called Auto Night? I didn't see that. It was Villacal Fox in it, and a small man's name. That was in Boys in the Hood, the dark skin brother. I never seen it. He might have seen it. But anyway, they were in it. It was Jeff Jeff Canteen. So were they saying the same thing, too, back then? No, no, no, no, no. But at some point, Martin and all the shows, they got canceled at the same time. So an actress friend of mine, Monica Cowell, and I think her car was in the shower, I don't remember what reason, but I was taking around to three different auditions. Each audition, everybody would, like Holly Berry and Angela, what's her name? Will Busch? No, the... Bassett. Bassett. Hand of the Bassett and Holly Berry, the only ones not at the audition, everybody was there. I saw, damn, I'm terrible with names. The girl that was in... She was one of the four girls in Wayne II Excel. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Angela Bassett. Whitney Houston. The one that always played all the Tyler Perry movies as like the mama or the grandma. No, no, no, not her, not her, not her. Okay. She was also in Boomerang. She was walking the dog. Oh, oh. Oh my goodness. With a short hair. She had them corn toes. She had them corns on her toes. Her, okay. Damn, what the hell's her name? I don't know her name. I don't know her name. She was also in Harlem Night. Her pussy's so good. You throw it in the air. Damn. I intercom you. So anyway, so... But she was there. Like, this is when different worlds, so Janet Pinkett, like all the cast of them was there and Vivica Fox was there. There was a whole bunch of them. He kept running into Vivica Fox. And Vivica was like, this is some bullshit. Because I've seen them all together at clubs. They be like, hey, girl, what's up? You know what I'm saying? At the audition, nigga, this game on. They look at you like, bitch, bitch. You know what I'm saying? I'm just like, that's 10th of the motherfucker. Y'all ain't saying shit to each other. Like, I know y'all friends. And then Vivica was like, this is some bullshit. She said, hey, none of us working? She said, all of us going to the same goddamn audition, fighting for the same little punk ass three parts. And there's like 20 of us looking for work. That's a goddamn shame. And that was 1990. So that was like 1990. So shit ain't really changed. And so, like, we don't have, we don't recognize our economic strength as black people. And so, you know, whites keep putting out movies that pumped them up and kind of break us down. So we never really felt our value. You know what I'm saying? Like, they never really had a superhero movie for the longest to Black Panther. And that's sold. How many units, you know what I'm saying? That went crazy. So now we kind of see it, but Hollywood ain't caught up to that. But then we're seeing now that we do have some black filmmaker, some black producer, some black, you know, so it should have gotten better. Yeah, but a lot of these execs that run these films is homosexuals. So they ain't really looking at the woman off top. That's real. That's why a lot of women aren't making as much money as men, I think. That's my personal opinion. No. And I'm sticking to it. But I'm sorry to hit this mic. So, and then I think economically, you know, it's the white man, the white woman, the black man, the black woman. So I just think they look at her as she's not, if she's not in this movie, it's not going to matter. I think we just put the black person in here for credibility for, you know what I'm saying? So I really don't think they value them like that. They don't value the black man like that. But if he can make some money cool. But until black women, I think at this point, need to be self-sufficient. Here we go again. We need to come together. Oprah or whoever needs to come together and start a film company. And now put out the movies that we can make. If they do a sci-fi movie with Will Smith and Jada Pinkett and Oprah and Tyler Perry in it, it'll blow up like some Star Wars or something like that. We have the money to do it. We got the acting chops to do it. We can be shot by us. It can be filmed, edited by us, scored by us. And we did that. Now, boom. We're going to support that like crazy. Everybody's going to support it. You know what I mean? Like they did Black Panther. So at that point, there ain't going to be no more crying about getting half a million in a movie. Now, your movie just generated 300 million. Okay, 20 million. Did you watch Super Bowl? Yeah. What do you think about Usher's half-time performance? Yeah, he's in Vegas. It was solid. I hope I don't see him. No, I'm playing. The production of it was off the chain. The production of it. Mm-hmm. The production of it. Get into the rest of it. I mean, I like the dancers. I like the vibe. He was dancing on. His skates were, you know what I'm saying? It looked smooth. Whatever. You know exactly what part I'm trying to get to. The outfit was tight. And the piano that Alicia Keys was playing, that was tight as hell. But you know. The outfit. Although all of that was tight. The one thing that everybody started talking about. Do you feel like he was inappropriate? Oh, you're talking about him grabbing on Alicia? Yes. There's a fine line with that. Okay, tell me about that. Now. Because I heard after that, did you hear that he just got married? Yeah. He's like right after the show. Yeah, but you know. I didn't feel like there was nothing past. But when I look at the comments. Man, people are going in. If I was Swiss Beach, and if I was this, this, this, and they going off. I had that conversation with a whole bunch of people. He said this nigga was the man that he was wedding. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? If you was hugging on Shib's girl and Shib was there. Oh man, you wouldn't make it home. You know what I'm saying? But it's crazy about entertainment. Film, actors and actresses. I hope I don't get in trouble for this. But I'm just being technical. Right. For us normal people, kissing somebody else, kissing somebody else on the lips while you're in a relationship. It's cheating. Right. It's cheating. But actors and actresses. Actors are mentally conditioned. Only if the cameras are rolling and you're getting paid for it. Right. And still the act of kissing, if you did that without all that, it's cheating. So the average person is mentally conditioned. They're like, you put your lips on somebody else. It's on. Fuck you. You cheated on me. You know what I'm saying? So I did an actress and she told me she got a part in the movie and then she told me she had to do. I broke her with her before she even shot the movie. I was like, I ain't grown enough. I ain't mature enough to handle my woman. I'm going to kiss on some dude and come home and I'm going to kiss her. Alicia Keys is not an actress. So that's their mentality. Entertainment, they do stuff that I think that a sizzle and get the crowd into it. So Janet, she get calls a guy on stage and dances all on him and twerks and all. You know what I'm saying? Right. Madonna's kissing Britney Spears. You know what I'm saying? They probably wouldn't do that outside the stage. I'm pretty sure. You know what my first, my first thoughts was, and I said this, I said, I guarantee you Usher went to Swiss beats behind the stage before he went on stage. You probably did. And say, hey, homie, this is what we going to do because everybody know me for this, whatever. It ain't going to be. It's going to get likes. It's going to get likes. It's going to get views. The more views I get, the more we both get paid. That's what it's all about to be honest with you. Right. And it worked. I think that's what they did it for. I really think that's what it is. You're right. I think he did say it looks Swiss. We going to try to get some likes out of this. You got to think about it. When he went behind her and he hold her, he didn't hold her and pull her against him or do anything that was, I didn't see that. He squeezed her and she laughed like, okay. She had that look like, all right, don't take this too far. That's the look she gave her. It looked like, oh, hey. She was like, all right. Swiss ain't no punk. You know what I'm saying? I got to ask you about the, I wouldn't be cool with it. Yeah. I'll be on my skates trying to chase him down. You broke up with your girlfriend before she even went to the show. Yeah. I had to kiss a guy and show my titties. Oh, is that right? And he broke up with her. That's the shame. Let me ask you about the Hollywood star, that two-part guy. There's something else that happened since we was on there. He got the star on the Walk of Fame. Oh. What did you think about that? I think it was overdue. And he got a street in his name as well. Yep. I think it was overdue. Why do you think it take him so long to give icon and iconic figures? I don't know. They just do. It seems like they give, like you know how they have a high accolade or something like that. If you're popular in certain genres, they give you a star or you have high accolades. I think you even have to put yourself on a list or something. I don't know how they give them the stars, but they should have gave Tupac a star. But I don't think they realized, America didn't realize, I'm saying non-blacks, realized the influence he left us with, being 25. Yeah. Yeah. He was very young. The level of work, the movies he did, what he accomplished from nothing. He's not a trained actor. You know what I'm saying? He ended up doing mad movies. And he killed them. He was in bit and juice. He was bomb. He was a beast. I forgot. I'm looking at Tupac. He was a beast of a fool. And you know what I'm saying? In his records, he was, I've seen him work. And so he was extremely talented. He almost burped the song. It's so fast. He's writing like crazy. And he's just what a guy. He's just writing, scribble, scribble. And he's like, I'm ready. And he's buzzing. It'd be something, you know, he'd have, we just passion wherever he felt about. He felt bad about somebody dying. He talked about that. He wouldn't talk about his mama. He talked about killing. He was so versatile. It feel like he just talked about what was passionate to him. And it came out on the songs. I think that's why people gravitate to him. Because the passion he has in his records. So he's now like, busting and his little word play was so off the chain. His passion he got. He get mad at you. He hit you up boys. Oh, he going there. Your mama, your baby. You know what I'm saying? So. Wow. Do you think? Okay. And when you look at, like there's a lot of time, man, you hear easy. And, and you know, easy, easy. RIP to easy. R, you know, him and ice cube. How do you think their relationship was? When easy passed away for real? Do you think it's what the movie predicted? Uh, characterized. Yep. They, they, they were divided. Divided. By Heller. Heller was easy. He's client. So he's going to look out for him and try and get whatever he can get. And old school. Record business. It's to rape the artists. Record companies get like 80, 90% of the record. Artists get like 9, 10% dog. It's sad. Do you think easy. And the age thing was their, um. File play. I think money was. Money. Money. The, the, cause there's a lot of money came in. And he was holding on to a whole lot of it. And at the time. Like, uh, uh, when ice cube left the group, he was living on home driving a Suzuki samurai. Okay. And so he's from 111 Crip Hood. And I know people in that neighborhood, they would tell me, you know, man. And Dre would have a little bins, but not live in a dope house. Easy had the big mansion. He had the A50. He had the big bins. He had the this, he had the that. It was like, God damn. You see the difference. Ran and Yeller was broke. You see this fool in a white, all white, custom white with the white interior and with the rims. And every time you see me with something different, fresh clothes, his house, he had these mansion parties with the giant pool and a thousand more people there. And he feeding and drinking. You see the difference. So I, I'll see why. I think, I think it's just, it's just money, man. We never really had it like that. No. His dad didn't have it like that. None of his uncle say, Hey man, you don't do people like that. Cause divisiveness. If easy was stuck around. And that trip, and that being greedy, he would have ice cube, Dre, Eminem, Ren, 50 cent snoop dog, Nick dog, the dog pound, lady of rage. You know what I'm saying? You can go on down the line. G unit. That'd be all under easy. If you wouldn't did Dre like that. Same thing with should. Should want to control and divisiveness and stuff like that. Got Dre wanting to leave. And now, you know what I mean? He missed, uh, should missed out on having Dre Eminem to two pot for a long time. Snoop for a long time. There's no telling what if we came together with what would have happened. He'd be out right now. Cause, cause should is a, is a, a very smart dude. He's way smarter. People give him credit for it. He made a lot of things happen. From thinking when so much muscle was thinking. So he came together. Do you like the podcast and knew what he doing with Dave. He amazed. That he, uh, what he's just doing. It's a love hate. It's a love hate. You know what I'm saying? Um, because he's, he's spilling the beans. I know a lot of people. And it's more divisiveness anytime divisive for me. I'm not, I'm not cool with it. You know, and some people like if you're a predator and you've been behind doors, raping people and all that stuff. I think they need to be exposed. So that part. Yeah. You know what I mean? But anything else. You know, if you're talking stuff or airing out grievances, I think that should be in the private. Like you said, we, we, we don't know what's doing that. You don't see like Robbie Downey Jr. tripping off of, you know what I'm saying? In any of them actors, you know what I'm saying? Tom Cruise, a beefing with somebody and they out there on the, on the, yeah. And when I see Robbie Downey Jr., I'm like, he don't show me hanging out, man. I don't knock his teeth out. You know what I'm saying? You don't see them going. You see us doing that all day long. Wow. And that's sad. That's the sad. You don't hear Telia Swift going off on Lady Gaga. Nobody going off. It's just us. It's just us. Why? As you talk about Taylor Swift, I was reading where Superbowl, you know, Kanye went to Superbowl. Taylor Swift, of course, was there. They show shots of her taking shots. Right. And stuff. Well, they made it seem like Kanye West purposefully got some seats that was like, liberally, like right underneath where she was just to upstage her. Right. And allegedly, she had him kicked out. Yeah. I heard that. Wow. I saw that today. I'm like, do you think that is true? Because allegedly, allegedly, that's what they're saying. Can I think it's possible? Yeah. I didn't. You think she has that much power? I don't think. Did you guys see him in there? You watched the game? I don't know. We didn't get a chance to watch the game. I didn't see Kanye. Really? Yeah. But they showed Taylor. I saw him like, him and his wife walking around like, look like some VIP section on the field, but I never see where he's sat. He's sat. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But then the whole, the whole Taylor Swift, you know, she, she brings ratings. She got kids who don't even care about football, watching football. Watching football. And so I, I could see them saying, hey, Taylor Swift feels uncomfortable with this fool here. Get him out of here. Mm hmm. You know, he's worth a couple hundred thousand. She's worth a billion. Get him out of here. Ever since he, ever since he did that to her on, stay where he walked on stage. And it's been a thing ever since that. Yeah. I don't know if she ever even got over that. I don't think so. But he, he, he, you know, Kanye West is not crazy. Kanye knows what he's doing. He calculates everything he does. So now if you look up his name, how many hits he got since the Super Bowl, he probably got a trillion hits of people looking at his music. You know, he just had new music just fall. Right. Just dropped. Yeah. A lot of celebrities do stuff that causes drama because they want you to say their name and send them the music come out. They got to promote his heart. Do you watch boxing? I don't really care about it too much lately, but I watch it every now and then. Have you, you know, you have the Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney coming up in April. Oh, OK. Do you, I got, can I get tickets? Yeah. Yeah. Man, I've never been to a fight. We want to go to a fight. I'm sorry. That was the one in San Francisco. Well, he's out here. Yeah. I want to go. OK. That's fine. So who you think is out here? April the 20th. Yeah. OK. You know, but these fights, I think they're, they're, they're, they're fixed too. You think so? Everything's fixed. I, I, my, my godfather, Donald, he watches fights. He's probably watching the fight right now. He watches all the fights. So if I go see him and kick it with him, we'll be watching fights. And I'll be like, all right, it might be three, four fights. I'll be like, all right, who you think will win? He might say this dude. And I'm like, I said he wins. I can't predict him. I don't know who's going to win. I can't call. I try. I'm like, oh, he's going to get beat up. And then he get beat up. Like, oh man. Damn. I just really think like, like when you go back and you start to look at all the different things that transpired over the last year, since we, you know, we had our last interview. It's crazy how, you know, the West Coast artist, Kripback was, he was, he was arrested and put back in jail. You know, there's a new guy down there in your city now, gunplay, lefty gunplay. I just interviewed him. Like, when you look at all of the different things, when it comes down to the gang violence and the stuff that has happened over the years, what do you think? What do you think it's gotten any better or has it gotten worse? Um, it's, it goes back to me with shock. Because these brothers, even though they're gang banging, they could talk about something else, but they're talking about something hard and how they roll up. And if they do this, they're going to do you like that. You know, goes back to the fatherless. I think this, the last 15 years, it's been a lot of, fatherless kids. Because like in rap, it shows, it's like, fatherless kids, you know, you're not around them doing their, when they grow up, now when they're adults and they're out there doing their thing, you notice them, you're like, oh, he doesn't do stuff like he's supposed to, so, like with rap, you know, we, to come in as a rapper to get accepted, you had to be different when you grew up, right? And I think because this rapper brought out that rapper, or you were down with this crew, you know what I'm saying? So you had some kind of two lids yet, almost like, it was almost like a fatherhood, you know, you couldn't do this, you couldn't do that. Without that, now everybody's copying each other. So now it's okay to copy the next dude and they have no wisdom because they don't know that their career's only going to last two years. Every two years, somebody knew come out. When you got Nas and people who've been schooled, got 13 albums. They've been out for 20, 30 years. Cube's done 35 years of being a rap, you know what I'm saying? These kids don't understand what they're doing because they haven't been, I think, taught. So, right now, it's just off the chain. So they're fatherless. Nobody's telling them not to talk about what you're talking about. So the record company's like, man, that dude was saying, he killed this girl and shot this dude and robbed this and he's selling dope and he got a gun. He got houses. He got a rent. He just spent a million dollars in the strip club. Okay. So it's sad. Nobody's saying, man, don't do that. Wow. You think that, okay. You still, like, how about the when you dealing with, like, health, you spoke about diabetes and I want to touch that before we get off here, just, like, how important it is to, you know, maintain, how do you maintain it? I just talked to a friend of mine and he's going through it right now. What can you... He's diabetic? Yeah. What can you say to encourage somebody out there that might be going through? First, get a full physical blood work. It's going to be, like, six tubes of blood. Wow. Check everything. Raw heart, diabetes, everything. Get everything checked out. After that, if you have diabetes or prediabetic, consult a dietician. Don't take the word of anybody. Mm-hmm. To my professional, because there's a lot of foods that we eat that we might think it's okay for us. And it'll spike your sugar and keep your diabetes going. Keep your sugar levels high. Wow. Diab... Your blood is thin, thinner than water. Wow. From your heart pumps. It's so easy for that blood to go all the way down to your feet. I'm six feet tall and then come back up to my heart. You know what I mean? So if you put water, sugar and water is turning to syrup. So if you got that sugar that you're ingesting and you have nothing to break it down, it's going to turn that blood to syrup. So now it's going to go down to your feet and have a hard time coming back up. Now you got neuropathy in your feet. Now your heart's pumping extra hard and now you have strokes. You know, it messes with every organ. Every organ has blood to flow through it. Now your eyes are going blind. Now you can't sleep. Now you got to sleep at and you can start breathing. And so, like, you might think, oh, I'm going to eat Cheerios. It's going to lower my whatever. If you look at any processed food or any rich food, it's turning the sugar and spiking your blood sugar. And so he needs a dietitian to get there to check what they eat regularly and correct it and, you know, change their diet and exercise. A lot of us don't exercise. Diabetes, we walk right into diabetes. You know, we start exercising around 40. We ain't at the gym. We ain't at the park for the homies. We got kids. We got bills. We start working out. Then you're having house party. You got the barbecue chicken and the macaroni and cheese. Everything we eat is bad for us. Barbecue sauce has honey that turns into sugar. Macaroni and cheese, the noodles are white cheese turning into sugar. French fries. Just don't eat none at all. No, you can eat stuff from the earth. Eat salads. Eat breads. You know what I mean? But how many men actually love to eat salad? We're conditioned not to. But somebody who's about to die from diabetes would be a saladologist at that part. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? In terms of diabetes, you pee a lot and you're thirsty. And you pee a lot and you're thirsty. You're tired all the time. You're tired. You always feel like you need sleep. You need to get enough sleep. If your feet get numb, you lay on your side with your knees together like this and you're also in your feet and numb. Be like, damn, you know, those are the signs. And I had them when I had diabetes, but it didn't get checked out. You know what I'm saying? I just happened to get checked out and found I had it. And I told six or seven brothers that around me every day complained about the same stuff. We eating the same. We eating the same. We're going to have the same issues. Right. But since I got it, they're like, oh, he might have. Let me go get checked out. I told all of them to get checked out. I told the story before that. Six out of seven had diabetes when they had prostate cancer. Right. So we need to get checked out. We need to figure out what we're eating and how it's affecting us and what not to eat and try to eat what to eat. Figure out what to eat that you might like. There's a lot of things out there that's good for us to eat that you can make it taste like something. You know what I'm saying? You don't have to feel like, I'm going to eat like a bird. But, you know, you definitely got to switch it up because everything we eat is bad for us. We go to Popeyes. We get a soda. That soda will turn into sugar. We're going to get French fries. The batter is flour. It turns into sugar. The grease you put it in turns into sugar. The potato turns into sugar. And then we got the fried chicken. Same thing. The batter is made out of flour. The grease, all that's going to turn into sugar. The bread's going to turn into sugar. So you might, might as well eat a plate of sugar. This one tastes as good. Yeah. It tastes better. You know what I'm saying? It's killing your bite now. It's killing your bite now. We call it the eyes. We always said we get the eyes, right? That's your bite trying to process all that bad stuff. And it makes your blood thick like sugar. So the insulin's got to break all that. You just pour it a whole bunch of sugar. You over-dose on sugar. Every time you get eat and you get tired, you over-dose on sugar. And your bite's trying to break all that sugar down. And then you kind of get back up. When you eat, you should be charged up. It's supposed to be fuel. You eat the right meal. You pumped up. You're ready to go for today. We eat terrible, man. I watch so many people. We smoke as the guards. We smoke as the guards. We drink in alcohol. We got the greasiest chili-cheap fries with the jalapenos. That's what's good. That's the good stuff. That's the good stuff. I'm running it down. Right? So go ahead and get in line for the diabetes. You know what I'm saying? Because it's coming your way. You know what I'm saying? That thing is going to come in with a bowl. You're asking for it. Wow. So yeah, get checked out. Change your diet. Exercise every day. Exercise every day. I tell people to do a five-minute walk. Every day, walk five minutes. You have five minutes. A commercial is three and a half minutes, right? You have five minutes. When you walk two minutes, two and a half minutes, one way to stop and then turn around and walk back, that might be a block or two. You keep walking. You can be walking three or four blocks within that time. Before you know it, you might start jogging. Two and a half minutes up and two and a half minutes back. Before you know it, I was running, like sprinting like I stole something 10 blocks. Two and a half minutes and then back. I lost like 50 pounds, boy. Wow. And it changes everything. Diabetes is like you are about 50. People die and they sleep. That's because they have sleep apnea from diabetes. Man, thank you for coming on Boss Talk 101. We're going to do this every six months, man. It's been a year since Payback was on here. He's a regular on the show, man. Yeah, man. Shout out to all the people from Sugar Night, DOC, all the different people, you know, the roofless movement, all the stuff that you, you know, seen Snoop Dogg, Dog Pound. What was the name of that song that you produced? I played bass on it. You played bass on New York, New York, big city of dreams. Yeah. Yeah. And he wasn't in the beef. He wasn't in the beef. He just sent me KD, man. Shout out KD in the building. Man, like I said, man, it's so many different things that E40, man. Like I've never... Boy. Like you and E40. How did you and E40 get cool? Me and E40, I had a... met Spice One. Man. You're talking about... Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was the name of that song? What was the name of that song? It was about a bunch of drinks. Yeah. Yeah, 187 proof. 187 proof. Hey, Spice or Food, man. Boy, that thing was a beast, man. So, so, so... I think I touched out a story how... No, you didn't. How I met Spice One? No, you might have told me that, but you didn't tell me about E40, so that's what I was trying to get. Well, I tried to cut it short because I could be here all day. So, I played a whole bunch of beef with Spice One. He liked a couple of beats. He wanted to do a song with E40. And so, E40 is the man. It's like, you know what I'm saying? Jesus Christ in the Bay. Hey! So, so it flew me up to Oakland and I produced the song and he had E40 rap on it. Wow, and then... And then I got cool with... E40. The whole click. His whole family. And the click. Sugar T, D-Shot, Be Legit, everybody who came up. Everybody. And Massey, you know. Everybody comes up to the session. When he does the session, everybody, the momma shows up. So, everybody's there. I get to meet everybody. And remember, I told you how I was riding the credit from Ice Cube? Yeah. So, a lot of times you can kind of smudge words and I'm a hustler. I didn't give a damn. Right? So, I could say, you know, I worked with Ice Cube. Or I worked with Notorious B.I.G. But I just played bass for them. So, you don't know if I produced them or played bass. So, they got a clean work with such and such and such and such. They think I produced them. I just played bass. I didn't have a drum machine, right? I didn't have a drum machine when I met Forty Orspice. I told you the game I did, right? So, they don't know. I ain't gonna tell them. You know what I'm saying? So, they're like, ah, man, you got some beats. I cook something up for you or whatever. And I brought a friend's drum machine and make some beats. Then, you know, I liked that. Then, boom, I worked with them. Now, I'm getting the money to buy my kids my drum machine. So, Forty's, he's super cool, man. He's like, that's my brother, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, Forty is probably Forty and Debsy. And Ice Cube are the realest brothers I've ever met in rap. Wow. That's a big shot. Never changed. How big they got them as many they got. You still talk to them the same. They still act the same. And they down, they're the realest people, man. The realest. The realest people, man. Like, let me give you a Forty story. So, you know, I'm working with Yo-Yo. This is mid-90s. So, I'm working with Yo-Yo. She's doing a show at the state, at the sports arena downtown L.A., right? Or near USC, where I was near, the Coliseum. And so, it was her, Kid Frost, West Side Connection, E-40, and a couple of other groups, right? And so, I'm like, we just left for her. So, I said, well, I'm going to go leave and go to the show and catch the niggas before you get on or whatever. So, she's going to put your name at the wheel call. So, I went there to the wheel call. She didn't put my name in yet. She didn't sit her whole list. So, I'm like, dance. Well, I know everybody down there who's performing. So, I go around to the rear inches where the artists are coming in. So many artists were like, hey, I'm cool piece. I ain't got an extra pass for you, bro. I'm like, come on, man. You know, like, work the, y'all go in with four y'all. One guy come out with two passes, you know what I'm saying? I have my homeboy Shaku with me. Y'all, y'all. And so, it's like, it's just us. And everybody kept fronting on us. So, E-40 pulls up. I don't know. I only did one song with four at this point. I don't know him like that. So, I'm like, yo, 40, man. I was supposed to be in with Yo-Yo running the whole shit. He was like, man, say, say, you know, say no more, man. And he said, look, I need two more passes. And then the promoter guy was like, wait a minute, it says seven and you have seven here. You know, it's two guys, it's too much. 40 said, if you don't give me two passes, I ain't performing. It's our walking back to the limo. They said, 40's about to leave, man. We need to get two more passes. Some food around there, two more passes and handed to us. You better know it. Yeah, man. You better know it. Side out to eat for it. One of the realest, one of the coldest, man. You better do it, man. You know, man, that's E40. He gonna be a Houston rodeo this couple of times. Of course, of course. I've been working with him since 97, since that one time with Spice. Yeah. To now, like last year I sold him a beat. Wow. I'm constantly, it's probably on the album that's out right now. So I'm constantly working with him. And anything I connect him with, like I've always got him featured on people's tracks, people buy tracks for me and they're like, who can you get? I'm like, 40. And then they'll work out whatever was 40 and he'll get paid and whatever whatever. So I've always, he's always like, I'll call him right now. He can pick up the phone. What's up, what's up, boy? You know, and I learned a lot from him. He'll tell me anything. You know what I'm saying? All his secrets, he'll, you know, he ain't trying to hold it for him. He's trying to let you win. Yeah. Man, thank you so much for coming on the show, man. I thank y'all for the fan. For the water. There you go. Hey, Clint Payback saying bid on Bonsaw 101. We'll see y'all next time. Yeah, man. Hey, man, make sure you guys like, subscribe to the channel, man. Yeah, man. This is the realest. 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