 Talk about stress Cody. We just follow stress and then we get this. Yeah, I know kid in front of a ball right now My you can hear my heart beating on the microphone So he told me a joke beforehand he told me he asked how many people he I've ever spoke in front of and I told Them and he said he spoke in front of two billion Jeff and Bill billion So anyways We're gonna touch a little bit on 60 inch corn first off I want to see from the crowd how many of you guys have tried 60 inch corn on your own operations Okay, how many you plan on trying in the next year or two? All right Anybody tried 44 inch corn? There's one perfect. Okay, so we're gonna touch on that Talk a little bit about this we get first off. I want to give the credit to Bob Rekker He kind of was the one that started on 60 inch corn and really it's just alternative row corn we we He was looking at it for trying to find a way to increase yield. It was not started as a way to Plant cover crops or to get cover crops incorporated into the operation It was just strictly a way to increase yield He kind of stumbled across the cover crop deal and and has found out that the cover crop actually makes it work Tremendously better. It really helps with weed suppression. So a couple years ago There was a article in the furrow magazine talking about that I had one of my clients call and ask if I thought it would work and and I'm never one to say that something won't work until I see it not work several times So I said let's give it a try. So we started there and and this last year I was working with just about 600 acres of 60 inch corn And I was working on farms in South Dakota Minnesota and Iowa and Wisconsin. So and Dave's was one of those So we've we've that's kind of the the history behind it. I looked at it I've been working with farms where we were doing a lot of early inter-seeding We were inter-seeding between v4 and v7 on a lot of 30 and 22 inch rows And I looked at it as an opportunity to get all of our cover crops seated at once What we were doing is we were getting a lot of diversity in the early seeding But we were having to come back to get rye planted later because that wasn't working underneath the corn canopy I looked at 60 inch corn as an opportunity to get everything seated at once And then we could be ready for soybean planting the following year. So this is just a field. This is David's field here of the 60 inch corn that that this picture would have been taken When was your field day July 31st in July 31st? So just to show you what kind of what it looks like This I'm gonna let David talk a little bit about this here. This is him planting Yeah, this is just what I used to plant and I just shut every other row off And then we doubled the population we tricked the planter. So we shut every other row off We set the planter at 60,000 plants per acre. So we are have a 30,000 plant breaker stand So as we look at that Some of the keys to making this work is first off seed emergence it's Plant emergence is always crucial whether you're on 60, 30 Anything, but it's really really important to have it all come up at the same time When when we're in 60 inch corn because you've got your corn plants so close together Then we get in the seed placement It's probably there again. It's ever more crucial to have proper seed placement with that You want to make sure planting conditions are Almost as perfect as possible because we saw as we saw this year We think there were some issues with that. We're gonna touch on that a little bit We're gonna show you some how some some things how no-till versus till can work Population David touched on that a little bit, but I think it's really crucial To make this work on your operation is to to make sure you keep the per acre population the same You have to remember to double your your per row population to shut off every other row So there's been people that try to to try to do that with just shutting every other row often It's that's when we have the disasters Nutrient application is going to be crucial and then hybrid selection. So we're going to touch on all those. So here's another Oh, here we go This is a this is my field after we planted it I don't know if I need to say too much other than I know tilled it into wheat stubble We put a dry starter at 250 pounds of 27 18 nine two by two and Then there might be later on but I'll tell you now we put the side dress 28 percent 35 gallons There there it is. Yeah, I said and I shut every other row off. So the dry fertilizer and we actually didn't Shut the row off for fertilizer in between the row. So that got some in the middle, but When we side-dressed we side-dressed all 25 gallons right beside the row or 35 gallons right beside the row This is another one of my field as it was coming up. You can just see the cover crops just coming up It was already seated in there We seated the cover crops at v5 five leafs so the corn was about three four inches tall and This was just another picture A couple weeks later of the cover crop starting to grow We seated it with a 10 foot hay buster drill great the old hay buster drill we we tied two rows up Where the rows were and just went out there and drove back and forth. I've actually got a Video of it in my pocket that we didn't get on the slides But yeah, we just when they were 10 foot drill tied two rows up and went and planted around it It's kind of like the old days of cultivating you had to watch really close and I hit I hit the row at times Because I only had you know about that much so I was a I didn't have a lot of room We hit the road once wrong But it didn't seem to affect the corn at all I mean it heard it but it came right back out of it So I almost think you could go with a plant or any old direction that that's a good point. I I've been working on inter-seeding for several years now and we've as we've learned and tried different things I'm not so sure just taking an older just taking a drill out and just planting it You're gonna especially if you're at v2 v3. You're definitely gonna push some corn down But it's how many times have we seen it hailed off at that time and it comes right back I Think we're making this inter-seeding way too difficult. So we're gonna show you some different ideas and different things that you can do But I do think a drill over broadcast and a drill of any kind over broadcast Is gonna be way better absolutely So here's just another picture of what it looks like and this is just showing the value of that cover crop Imagine that 60 inch gap in between the rows without a cover crop You're gonna get substantial more growth here We're gonna talk about some of the mixes and how to develop some of those mixes and things you got to look at but This is Really gonna help with some weed suppression So this is a picture that we have in central, Minnesota This is for some 44 inch corn Taking late summer to just wanted to show you some of the diversity that we have growing through there But also look how clean the field is in terms of weeds But but one thing I really like to show in this picture is look at the plant health and we see this on Every every one of the fields we see tremendous plant health all the way down to the bottom of the plant and We get asked the question a lot. Why is that? We don't see a lot of fungus issues We just don't see a lot of a lot of stress on this corn, but you think we're widening it out We're getting more air movement through there We're getting sunlight down to the bottom leaves and and the everything is just healthier with that added sunlight So this is just showing another another picture here of the field day What kind of I like that picture because they can show just how tall and thick that corn actually looks But this was the the ears that were taken off This was the 60 inch corn and this was the 30 inch corn, so I will tell you when we saw this I was really getting excited. We thought we're Really gonna see some tremendous yield impacts off of that But anyways, it just seemed like it was everything was a little faster. It was a little quicker so we Were things were looking pretty good. This is another one later Even this would have been an August. Yeah That's just a picture that we went we're gonna try to ride horse down it But the horse didn't like it because the the cover crops got up to five feet tall right up to my chin and tremendous growth Yeah, we used roundup 240 and verdict We we applied that Pre-emergence and we did come back the day before we planted the cover crop with straight roundup I don't really know if we would have needed to but there was a spear grass here and there so we thought Roundups cheekless just burn it off but This was no tilled in the wheat stubble and I guess the one thing I would say is if you Haven't no tilled and haven't had weed in your rotation The benefit of that with weeds is tremendous and that's a big Reason for some of the success of this I think too. I mean this was a very I Can tell you there was a few weeds, you know, there was a little bit of water hemp but it was very very little and Millet overtook the water hemp the millet grew faster than the water hemp and You know between me and Cody you might have found two water hemp and where we saw the water hemp is where we side dressed Where that altar ran or we side dressed the 35 gallons of 28? That's where most of the water hemp were we where we disturbed the ground So when we were talking about stress or the last speaker was talking about stress at this point in time I was starting to get pretty stressed out about this cover crop because I was thinking this was pretty big and I was just starting to worry that we were going to have some harvest issues That ended up not being an issue at all after we hit a frost the millet really fell down Actually, everything really fell down and and we didn't have experience any issues with harvestability So just how much biomass did we get? On this plot here There was 23,000 pounds of biomass Equivalating the 6,500 pounds of dry matter so if we want to Compare that in this plot we weren't comparing 60-inch cover crops versus 30-inch cover crops We were trying to compare 60-inch with the cover crop versus 30 with none because we wanted to Compare it against something that's a little more mainstream and what's actually happening out there So this is another one down in Iowa 30 versus 60 both of them being interceded We saw 3,300 pounds per acre versus 320 on the 30-inch rows So we've had tremendously better luck with the 30-inch than that but that in that particular plot That's what we were seeing so it's all going to depend on what we have seeded in that cover crop and how much biomass We're going to get so this is just another late season You can see that millets starting to fall over here When that millet put its head on it was so tall And I mean it doesn't normally grow five feet tall when I put the head on it basically tipped over And it took all the buckwheat. There was a lot of buckwheat that got the same height Both of them just tipped over flat Even before it froze but then the next picture shows where it's with it froze And so the best picture is almost the combine that everything was was no more than a foot off the ground Yeah, so this picture is a little deceiving in here. There's still a lot of biomass down there It's just laying flat to the ground But as a cow guy, I couldn't imagine getting a fence out there I mean, I just wanted to get get a fence around that thing And this is just another picture what it looked like it at harvest time This was the day of harvest And that's what it looked like after the fact So this is what we seeded in this particular mix and I'm not going to say that this is the right answer This is just I think we're going to tweak it for next year But but we've got some red clover buckwheat some cow peas Millet hairy vetch We had some oats rape sunhemp flaxenia ryegrass and you can see the cost was $18 so the the amount of Millet I believe was a little high I'd like to drop that down or or maybe even take it out It does depend up completely on what your goal is what you're trying to accomplish If you're trying to graze something, it's going to look completely different if you wanted to go back to the ball go back to the biomass samples if we had 6,000 pounds of dry matter or three ton. There's a little more than that What's the value of that for hay, you know, what are you going to pay for your hay right now? It's going to I'm sure you know be over a hundred hundred fifty dollars a ton So you could say you take half and graze half you're Making up for some if you're missing anything for yield there There's some other things I think the cow peas did really well, but they ended up get kind of getting shaded out I think the cow peas would work really good at a higher rate I think Even some more sunhemp, but I think in this situation more Warm season legumes would would make a lot of sense in this situation We only had five pounds of millet in there, but the millet and buckwheat just took over everything And you know the other thing on that this mix is we could do the exact same mix next year and it could look completely different so Okay, so just looking at some different Ways that some different interceding tools that that we've been working with This is actually a 22 inch interceder that was built over in Minnesota And this is what it looks like after the fact So we can get you know some pretty good stands with some of these This is just another one. This is what I was talking about. Although. I think I'd do it at an earlier stage Here's another Interceder that was built with the Lilliston cultivator. So I just want you to Think outside the box a little bit use what maybe use what you have laying around Find something if you can find a drill. There's a lot of drills around I mean, and I don't necessarily know that it's got to be a no-till drill I think you could even take you know an old press drill or something like that and just use it as a seed distributor And get out there and and get your cover crop established This is another one up in north-central, Minnesota This just the gandy box put on here. This is what that looks like. That was when they were on 30 inches So 30 60 30 there's been a lot of talk about that This this is one field that we did last year. It did work pretty well for yield wise The strips we we noticed the strips that going into the next year So we had the same cover crop seeded all the way through obviously But what serve we had a way more survived the winter and this and the spring because or the summer because of that extra sunlight When you put all that seed into those two rows We even created more of a canopy in there and saw very little growth through there. So That was what one of the main issues and then coming into this year You can see some weed pressure coming in those middle rows where you didn't have it in the wide rows So trying to figure out what cover crop makes us to do and then nutrient application Comes really difficult in this versus just skipping every other row This is just another picture of that 44 inch corn So I want to talk we talked about the maintaining population If I can hammer one thing in when we come into wide row corn or skip row corn or 60 inch row or 44 Maybe 40 the big reason behind it. Whatever it is is is we just we don't want to change equipment We want to use whatever you're using and just skip the row But it's very important to remember we have to maintain that population and I if you can remember anything Just maintain the per acre population We need to seed that cover crop early We it really helps if we can get nutrients in row and and somehow Somehow anyway get them placed in row especially your nitrogen and then Yeah, this was just the straight 44 So when you're designing that cover crop blend, what are you you have to look at what your goal is? So in this situation on David's plot Grazing was not an option. That was not what our goal was But we probably had the best cover crop set up for grazing, you know So we we know that now and and can make some changes and make some tweaks But we did have really good weed control from that blend. So if that's an issue You're gonna have a different cover crop blend than if you're not so worried about weeds we had another plot where it was all cool seasons and We had a little more weed escapes from that because we didn't have any warm season Species taking advantage of that sunlight in between the rows So do we want to fix nitrogen? I think that's something we could really be looking at Especially with all that space in between the row I do think if you're doing that you really have to be focused on your nutrient application We know those legumes are not gonna produce a lot of nitrogen when they go in to a Soil that's that's got an excess of it So if you can keep that nitrogen close to the corn keep it kind of the middle of the row starved I think you grow some legumes in there. We can have some good luck with that Do we want it to overwinter or do we want it to winter kill? I'm working with farms on on both sides of it that want everything to overwinter Or and they want everything to winter kill and then the biggest thing our big advantage here is is really our opportunity for diversity and I like the idea having wheat in the rotation ahead of this But if we can't this is our one opportunity for a lot of you corn and soybean producers to really Increase that biodiversity on your farms. So now yields. This is what everybody wants to talk about and it's completely dependent on Situations so we've seen anywhere from a 1% increase to a 13% decrease depending upon the situation depending upon Cover crops so if we go back we can talk about David's yields a little bit. They varied what were they what was what was the variation there our plot average 12% less We saw variations from Probably I didn't figure the percentage but almost 20% to just the exact opposite where the 60s were a little better One thing that was quite interesting is so I had four replications for I had 30 inch corn 60 inch corn And I replicated that four times across the field and we saw 47 bushel yield difference in the 30 inch corn from one side of the field to the other in each replication in the 60s inch the 60 inch corn Varied five bushel maker. So it was way more consistent on our poorer ground the more rolling ground the 60 inch corn was better and on the better ground the higher producing ground our 30 inch corn was way better, and I I don't have any answers for that We don't have any answers why that was but plant health as Cody's been saying so when we got on the rolling ground where we have probably more rhoda hills and more Nutrient issues the 60 inch corn was just all the way across the 60 inch corn was just look phenomenal I took numerous. I don't I think we probably had close to 200 people out in the plot over the summer. I Took numerous Agronomous out there didn't say a word just walk out there with them, and they all this this can't work This just makes no sense, and they look at that 60 inch corn and it was darker green green top to bottom Deficiencies 30 inch corn had deficiencies. It was yellow. It wasn't as healthy, but in the end it still didn't yield as good, but Plant health Standability when we combined it the 60 stood perfect the 30s were still standing pretty good, too But they're definite was a little more stock The 60 inch corn stocks were as strong or stronger than the 30 inch. Yeah We actually had a field in southern, Minnesota two year or last year Where the whole field was laying flat except for the 60s the 60s were standing straight up So standability on that is is amazing. It's just that goes back to just the opposite of what you think Yeah, yeah, we that was my biggest fear with wide row corn was it was all gonna fall over flat because you're talking Put in that corn two three inches three inches apart. Yeah about three inches apart, so Anyways, we've done a lot of this stuff in high yield environments done a few of them in low But but this does also work in a high yield environment. So that's not something to be scared of you want to make sure It's just like everything else that we're doing you got to have a plan and you want to follow through with that plan Make sure you've got the proper planning equipment variable rate is huge It does not work very well to take an old planter and try and Reset up the sprockets and and make that work to get just as much as as high a population as you can if It any if you can you know if you got v-drive Downforce is huge too because that's play helping as was talked on earlier Just getting that that seed placement is so crucial on that and then I Really think no tail works the best in this and this is probably going to show why This is going to show the value of what tillage has has the ability to do. So this was 30 inch strip till And it was 60 inch corn And that's just showing it. This is this wasn't anything that was seated. That was that's just your weeds coming up So this is the value in doing this in a no-tail situation You kind of suppress those weeds early get a cover crop there and then come back so things to consider a Lot of this stuff. We've already kind of touched on some of this but hybrid selection being one of them We're having a conversation earlier this earlier today Hybrid selection is huge and it's got to be at least a moderate to a high flex That is that is very very crucial with that a Lot of places are going to think it should be the opposite because you're getting those plants so close together remember, it's flexing outward and and you really you do have a lot of room to Touch on you got anything? Yeah, I'll make a comment so he keeps bringing up even emergence and seed placement and What we saw in my plot and I think what part of our issue was with our yield decrease was We planted this here May 4th Is when we planted the plot and everybody else that was about the first day planners rolled And then we had some bad weather right after that and most everybody had to replant what they planted on those days I was fortunate this came up and I didn't but it took it was over a week period of time that that corn was coming up and I think that part of my yield difference was the uneven emergence And I think it's magnified in 60 inch corn because your plants are so close together I think your seed spacing and you're and I don't have proof of this is just my thoughts I Think the even emergence and seed placement is even more critical on 60 compared to 30 You know they say 30 if you have a one inch deviation is a seven bushel loss Well when you got the plants three inches apart and you got a an inch deviation there What's the yield loss? I can't tell you that but I from what I saw I think that that uneven emergence that we had Was magnified in the 60 inch corn both the 30s and the 60s came up terrible I mean we were looking at it we got to replant this we're gonna have to replant this but It was magnified in the 60 inch corn. It was worse I think and I think it's just because they're so close together, you know some of that you can't control But that's my thought on it in a way Okay, so now I'm gonna touch on The possibility of grazing corn has anybody grazed corn Okay, so this was actually done up in northern Minnesota. This was on 44 inch corn I can tell you the soybeans were planted in between the rows that did not work very well In that situation and then they planted rye grass and they didn't have very good luck with the rye grass growing But as you can tell they got they just said 21 acres grazed it for 40 days and With a hundred and sixty had Equaling out 6400 cow days or 305 days an acre. So if you look at I think it I think South Dakota State's saying anywhere from 225 to $3 a day to winter cows this winter Just say you use it at at $2 a day you're talking 610 dollars gross per acre and that is with a No soybeans and a poor a very basically non-existent cover crop So if you wanted to take and get a successful cover crop, maybe you get some hairy vetch It's gonna hold its protein late into the winter You're gonna have a lot more diversity get some get some brassicas in there as well. You could substantially increase that Grazing potential through the winter. So the other thing to think about is when you're grazing this corn You don't have to worry about dry down so much so Now maybe you could take maybe you could graze a rye crop or Overwintering crop early in the spring before you plant the corn. Maybe you could harvest something off of that Do a you know a late spring early summer? Rye hay type situation and then come out or I would prefer to graze it but depending upon the situation so There's a lot of opportunities here You can do this and plant this later in the season because we're not trying to get it dried down for harvest So that's kind of the the last thing. I really wanted to touch on this is just a little bit about us But or about soil or X and what we do, but now is there any questions? You mentioned Fertility a little bit much. Are you banding all your and right alongside the corn row? I did I did this year Yep, and how many units and are you banding down? We put 35 gallons right beside the row and then with the planner with the planner we came with the 250 pounds of 27 189 so that would be 27 times 2 is 64 no 54 54 pounds but half of that went in the middle of the row because I couldn't shut the middle one off and Then we added another 35 gallons of 28 percent and we did that on both the 30 and the 60 So that should end up being or you know, what was I don't have that number in my head what 35 gallons would be I had 35 so we had 100 and we had about 160 units and not there And my answer would be yes and no We've done it every which way where we're trying to band everything as close as possible We've done stuff with broadcast. I can tell you specifically that corn does not like to reach out 30 inches So broadcast is effect going to most likely be a failure so anyway, and this is where You know multiple applications is going to be good, you know, so you're not getting it all down at once Can we get by with less fertilizer and 60 inch corn? I mean my 60 inch corn was green top to bottom all year never showed a bit of nutrient of nitrogen deficiency The 30 inch corn you could see when you get down below the year you could see all the way across that 30 inch 120 feet wide it The leaves were just about gone up to the year from nutrient from nitrogen deficiency and But the yield still showed the other way we were growing more corn over there. I guess but So could we get by with less? Nitrogen on the 60 inch corn because of the cover crops growing and the the more air movement I'd want one person to tell me you know the more air movement in the 60 inch corn made it evaporate more water So that means it took in more water in the bottom what took in more We've tried I haven't had any huge failures on on any of the herbicides We did I Can get you some of that stuff. We'll have some of that information. Yep There's not a lot of herbicides out there that you can put with the with a blend that we had that it's not going to take Out something yep, yep But for me I I'm gonna try to get next year and I think we're gonna leave the verdict out Yeah, because I don't think we needed it in there. I think that I Mean I had a whole hundred and twenty acre field that we sprayed the verdict and round up to 40 on the 60 inch corn and the 30 inch corn the plot but the rest of the field we didn't You know we sprayed around up to 40 in that there weren't many weeds that come in The verdict the verdict didn't hold out many weeds There was the same weeds in the other field, you know, I don't think it did a whole lot for us Will you go back to corn Well, let's go up coalition I worked with the soil health coalition I think they kind of want to see me go back to to beans and then they want to compare that Strip and see what we get a if we get an increase in beanie Oh, but I'm really tempted to go out there and put one strip of corn move over 30 inches and put one strip of corn And one strip there and just see what we can do If that'll work, it's interesting that you ask that because I think that's probably the biggest Question that gets asked after this is can we can we just move over 30 inches every year and go back and forth? Grow corn with a lot of diversity in between We're gonna We're definitely gonna be trying some of that so We'll be in year one of some of those trials next year. No, but I love the idea. I Think I know some people that are gonna try it this year gonna attempt it I Think it's a great idea And Yeah, that's the comment I was gonna make so on the field day when we would go out to the field on July 30th They're 29th whenever it was the 60 inch corn was a longer year and the 30 inch was a lot shorter I mean we saw that and all this stuff's a week ahead When we come through and took the plot out We had it was a 98 D corn all the same corn all the way across The 30 inch corn was 1% drier and one pound heavier test weight and that was consistent over every Replication and the absolute opposite of what we were absolute opposite of what we were thinking Don't ask me why we there was a time this summer. We were thinking Maybe we'd be able to extend our maturity on this corn on the 60 inch corn use a longer maturity corn To maybe give us a an opportunity to maybe increase yield The one-pound less test weight in the 60 inch corn I'm afraid just by talking with seed Groundless that's kind of a characteristic of planting too heavy too thick too close together And I mean right there. That's a five-bushel decrease on my we had the corn was 192 and 174 I mean that's almost a five-bushel decrease right there and yield just that one-pound test Weight and I don't know if we can overcome that one Maybe we can but from a scenogram I say seem to think that that's a result of if you want to increase your test We get a lower your population We have We've tried 75% 85% 85 I actually think 85% popular of total per acre population Might actually be really close to Increasing the net dollars a little bit, but we still I've only had it on one field And it's I don't have strong enough data to show anything on that for sure Bob Rekker His data shows who's been doing it for a lot of years shows And how many how many plots did he have that only one or two plots were better at a lower population? Almost everyone was better at a higher population. Yep Yep, yeah, and he was doing a lot of 75 percent 100 percent and 100 up to 125 percent Yep, and his his conclusion was stay the same population of what you're planting. He says don't go less Yeah, that was he actually said use the same population and the same hybrids. Yeah, yeah, don't switch to another Yep, but I will say and I think he'd agree that Definitely the flex or yeah my flex hybrid Yeah I'm gonna have the opportunity with some small plot research in North Dakota just north of Britain And just wondering what you would be out for suggestions You think would would be good in small plots And we have capability to do a pair of row with a single row of ladder Like move the roll over, you know three or four inches just go up in the back We can't match, you know, precisely to get a perfect zigzag pattern That's something I think maybe I can do in a small plot of any other Well, I think I mean to me the we got to look at what we can do as an industry, you know what What's gonna be a viable change without getting for them staff to go spend a bunch of money to do something completely different That's really why I like the 60 inch I also think that we could make twin row work very well that was talked about but if we I mean I You also got to look at farmers comfort levels and what are they going to be the most comfortable with I can tell you that 60 inch corn scares the ever-living daylights out of 90% of the farmers maybe 95% Obviously the ones in here a little more open to it But I think if we were going to sell it to him as a a 60 inch twin It would be a completely different ballgame. So that to me is the that's the area. I would be looking at I can tell you on my 44 inch data versus the 60 There's very little risk in 44 inch corn and the 60 if you have cows There's very little risk because it's not a big enough yield impact throughout all the plots that I have If you don't have cows I would if you don't have cows, I'd start small And if you have cows, I'm I'm to the point where I'd say let's go all it You know on the 60 inch corn because you're gonna be able even if you have a failure you're gonna be able to capitalize on it But I think the twin row 60s makes a lot of sense I'll keep thinking on that too and I'll let you know if I come up with something But when you when you say to go all in on it so for me to go in all in on this I'm kind of against that because I go back to the seed spacing and and Emergence and all that stuff. I planted this field at two and a half miles an hour and that's slow I usually go four point two and when I went from two and a half back to four point two I thought I was driving a race car and you know it. Can you tell how your planters set up? Yeah, I got I have a John Deere I have the I have the Popcorn John Deere's version of the you know the popcorn Seed disc which probably isn't as good as a precision plant But it does a pretty good job if I keep my speed down You know I can keep it up in the 98 99% Range as far as of spacing and my spacing on my on my 60 inch corn was pretty good, too I mean it they were pretty accurate But I think when what we saw here of the importance of it being more accurate in the 60 inch corn I Don't think you can go plant 60 inch corn at five miles an hour and and you might take a big hit You know so I guess no matter what I'd say you kind of start small and and And learn because it does it does depend on what you have for equipment for sure. Yeah If you had the high-speed Planter with you know where you can drive 10 miles down maybe you can run five. I don't know There's a question back there It's gonna grow and I'm not I'm actually fine with that Hopefully I can get my beans planted earlier and the buckwheat is easy to kill Round this isn't wild buckwheat. This is tame buckwheat. So just a sniff around a little kill it And even if we get a little bit coming back in the in the beans. I Don't think it's gonna hurt us. Yeah, I'm not I'm not concerned about the so the question the question was is there any concern about the Millets or the buckwheat coming back the following year so They're very little concerned the buckwheat did put a lot of seed on there will be buckwheat the millet I don't think there's viable seed out there. I might be wrong. We'll find out but I Guess I'm not worried about it Yeah, that's just gonna be the Harry Vets should be there red clover. Yeah, yeah red clover annual or Cereal rye if it made it. Yeah, we're not sure the cereal rye survive cereal rye and annual rye at that point in time We're awfully tough to tell what's what and what's gonna make it through. So and it got shaded out pretty bad No, I don't I so on that situation You'd have to go back and look at what the cost so the yeah, go ahead and you want to do that Yeah, so you got in that situation and I'll go back to that slide There you got to look at what your costs are so I mean you can't really put that you got to look at that in perspective of what your You know what your land cost is what your seed cost is I can tell you in this situation It was really interesting what they did was Because it was late season they went around and got all the plot seed from all the neighboring seed dealers and just use that So that seed cost is going to be completely different if you went and bought I mean if you're gonna pay $300 seed corn or if you're gonna buy $100 seed corn or or find some stuff maybe try some bin run or you know There's there's some things that I think could work very very well And I know there's some people having some very good luck with been run corn in this situation. So that is Gonna it's there's gonna be a lot of variation there, but if you looked at that You know I would compare it to what What if you were gonna harvest it and sell it use that as a baseline so if you were If you got $4 corn and 200 bushel corn you got $800, you know versus your $610 before but what did it cost you to you know, what was the dry down hauling harvest everything else? Not many people had 200 bushel corn and sold it for $4 this year, you know, so I'm not sure that's realistic number either, but Yeah That was wire moved every three days They absolutely yep and and what they did what they noticed is I was worried about the waste When you because they drove it down on the side-by-side and the cows went there first Pulled that up before it ever got packed into the snow And they grazed that off and then went back to the standing plants standing corn first Yep, so Yeah, what's your other question? Okay, so first the first question there's been talk about direction And I've heard people say both ways I've had success and failures in both and and I don't know that there's ever it's really hard to do a true test on Direction because you'd really have to mess up a field to do that test I can tell you that we've had enough success both ways that I Don't believe there's a huge difference. There may be a little bit of an advantage. I can tell you when you just go to 60 inch That advantage is gone. You know if you're looking at east-west versus north-south in terms of just looking focusing on on Grazing when you ask that question. Do you mean grazing the standing corn or grazing the cover crop after you harvested the corn? Yeah, so There again, you kind of got to look at what what's your goal and what are you trying to accomplish? Are you trying to feed stock cows and winter them through you can still have calves on the side? Are you trying to get some rapid weight gain on those cows? I think that's all going to be part of Decision and how you're going to do that. I think there absolutely be a benefit to back that corn Population down and increase diversity on some others what I can tell you is we've been trying to graze through the winter in in West Central, Minnesota for several years and my issue had been before going to corn was everything falls flat and Nothing's been bred to have the standability that corn has and and that's the big advantage of it But that doesn't mean I think it's got to be all corn I think you could use corn and as long as you get that corn seeded a couple like maybe two weeks in Advance then I think you got an opportunity to come in and maybe you can do some other warm seasons Some other things that are going to hold nutrients laid into the winter like sorghum sedan does really good for winter grazing The problem is it falls flat Where if you just had that corn helping to hold it up to stand keep its standability You'd have a lot of benefit from that so It's kind of one of those one of those answers it depends what your goal is but but I do think there'd be some value in that So I did try that this year on so we tried that on some prevent plant acres and The corn was very variable where it worked and where it didn't so The question was if if you were just solely doing it for grazing would you would you be able to just put been run corn in your drill? I know there's some people that have that have done it with more success But I I just I have patches where the corn looks really good and patches where it wasn't so good And I think the big issue there is the corn corn doesn't handle It doesn't handle the competition very well, but it Once it's up and got a head start and that's where I say two weeks I feel like once that corn's up and ahead of it. You're off to the races So they're still probably an advantage to planting it Yeah Yes, I Have not I have some thoughts behind it. I I think on the The cool seasons in in something like that still aren't gonna be quite tall enough by the time you're starting to chop Now you could be talking maybe some oats or some things like that that might work in there But I think where I would be really focused on is you could definitely increase diversity You can do some things that are going to help to increase your protein in in your silage But it's probably going to be through some other warm season species So I have done some work where we've just on 30 inch corn where we've seeded The corn at your same population but drilled like ford sorghum right on top of it and and we've seen substantial yield increases there and A little bit higher protein not huge but but a little bit But I think just the diversity is huge for that. So yeah, I think that's something else to really look at We've not done it on the wide rows, but to me. I think we're something really interesting would be to Take your corn on 60s or wider rows and then come back through and and drill that Forage blend, you know and Anything that might work as a forage I think there's gonna be some advantages because we see it on cow health for sure when we add that diversity The cows are just healthier. So I think there's a lot of value to that Cody don't you think that If you took a biomass sample Of your of your cover crop So you put you I think you need to put a value to that Because you're going to raise it now it's going to make this system because you could do this at harvest And if you're a cow guy, you might have Broken in that cover crop what's going to add to your grazing absolutely That biomass Yep That was supposed to get down. I think wasn't it was did we get a biomass sample or did we just get the The yield off of it not a breakdown on the nutrient breakdown. Yeah, we did get that We did get that they did have that but I don't okay can't rattle up top of my head Cody when you when you guys when you guys graze corn how do you like you talk to the a lot of people that do it? They talk 10 times a corner day and then they you fence that off and eat the porridge. Yep I mean you figure that out you pencil that out what it'll cost you right there That's pretty economical way to to run cows. Absolutely. Especially this year when you have what corn? Absolutely. Absolutely. I I know where there's still some fields standing and Um, it's really if I didn't still have cows grazing cover crops I'd be over there trying to get their corn grazed for them, but Um, I do think I do think I think you're in you're out any other thing like I like I mentioned before it gives you an Opportunity to get a spring crop first or let your spring growing cover crop Just grow bigger, you know, you can produce more carbon You can do get more soil health benefits out of that Before coming back into into doing something like this because you said you're not worried about drying it down As a matter of fact, I got some friends in Canada that talk about that They don't even want their corn to hit black layer if they're going to graze it There was a lot of hands went up of people who are going to try it one thing I would Encourage you to do though is Have a plan as far as how you're going to get the cover crop planted Because getting the cover crop planted early to get it ahead of the weeds I think is going to be crucial are my first two goals In this was try to maintain yield and keep the field clean Because if you go out there and you think about where you're putting it to don't put it on your dirty field Try to pick a clean spot because if you go out there and you plant it and You spray it before the corn comes up and then you aren't ready to plant your cover crop If those weeds are getting the start on you, you're going to be in trouble. I think We're we're way over so we're way over But we have what we call our meet and greet So this is opportunity for us to continue the conversation And we'll we'll do that with kodi and david and everyone in the room So we can pass the microphone. I was just getting some of them to Work again. I don't know Thank you kodi and david