 Wednesday it's 11 o'clock and that means it's Trump week. Today's title for today's show is Trump sells medical quackery to fight COVID-19. Well if you watched last week we hadn't been given the show of shows and that was Donald Trump's basically his brainstorming of that the ingestion of cleaning solutions, disinfectants and the introduction of UV light could somehow take care of the disease as long as it was properly introduced inside the human body. I'm going to read a quote because it gets to the heart of the matter of what he said and then his response after what he said when the reporters asked him about his statements about adding bleach and disinfectants into the human body. He said on on Thursday, so supposing we hit the body with a tremendous whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light and I think you said that it hasn't been checked but you're going to test it and then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body which you can do either through the skin or in some other way and I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting. So here we had Donald Trump talking about the introduction of light into the human body and disinfectants. When asked about that statement later on he said I was being sarcastic I was talking to the media I was talking to the press and I wanted to gauge their response. Well if anyone saw that interview they saw Dr. Bricks basically freeze up in a statue like position and pretend she wasn't listening to it and he was looking directly at him and he was basically inquiring whether or not they were going to test his brainstorm of a idea of disinfectant and UV light. So what we saw as far as response was the great gas lighting that only Donald Trump can provide not only to the room of reporters but to the American public. We're going to talk about this and other topics here today. I want to introduce our guests today Winston Welch. I want to introduce hello Winston. I want to introduce Stephanie Dalton and Cynthia Sinclair. Good morning everyone. Good morning. Good morning. Well Winston let's go to you because last Thursday and it seems like two weeks ago not less than a week ago but that was a hell of a statement that Donald Trump came up with and it basically caused him to leave the stage. He embarrassed himself enough that he didn't come back on the weekend at all to do his task force briefings and I think he was embarrassed. Well actually he wasn't embarrassed but I think his staff was embarrassed and he kept off the stage. What do you think about the whole thing since last Thursday Winston? Emotion might be sad. Sad that this is our leadership. You know you compare this with the leader of New Zealand or of you know any civilized nation really Germany. Look at the chance that they have there. Why do we have even if Donald Trump knows I mean that he's not the right person there. He won't let anybody else stand in and Deborah Birx sitting there and she apologized for him later and said I can't believe the media is still on this. That was even more sad because we look towards her and Anthony Fauci to say they don't have we don't ask them to directly contradict him just to come up and tell the truth but when they're up there defending that that was actually kind of more sad. How much credibility did she lose as a scientist in our eyes do you think? As far as science I'm not sure about science but as far as points with the sane American public a lot because then they said wait a minute it's if she's apologizing for him and saying oh this is the immediate smear you guys shouldn't be on this. She's missing the point which is your true message isn't going to get out when you're defending this other message just go on with what you have to say and say it but yeah I mean overall I was it's part for the core person I think you know everybody said oh this is the defining moment we have learned with Donald Trump there is no defining moment there is no anything that will get him off the stage or have his people stop following him they spun it immediately this is local media this is sarcasm this is whatever and the whole thing was lost on the masses. One quick question Winston and that is he clearly was gaslighting the reporters in that room should the reporters be a little bit faster on their toes to call them out on it call them out on his gaslighting and because he certainly is getting away with it and and people aren't really taking note of it I mean I think they know it's happening they just don't they don't call it up. Well I'm happy to see that the folks are doing their jobs as reporters and that he's had some challenges saying wait a minute how can you really say this here but for the people that behalf the nation that is already on that ship it says could he just say what I thought he said yes but for the other half it doesn't matter so they need to keep doing it though that is their job is so that maybe someday it sinks in and says this is our leader telling us to do this rather than just being a caring concerned figure saying we're doing all we can here folks and I'm going to turn this over to the experts to give you some advice. Hey Stephanie what do you think? I certainly support all that that Winston said I I feel that he has betrayed us and went out of her lane her lane was to be the scientist the competent renowned accomplished scientist that she purported to be and that she is out of her resume so what happened? I wonder if that meant there were some behind the scenes words or did she get any instruction about how to handle that and if she did that would be a little bit of another story or threats possibly I don't know so with her stepping out like that what prompted what was her intention and motivation for that did it really come from her anyway she's ruined the one track we have you know directly into serious scientific information because now realize she's she'll cave. Yeah let me ask you this Monday of this week Donald Trump basically said he takes no responsibility for the multiple increased calls and increase to poison control centers in the state of New York Illinois Maryland and around the country he said I take no responsibility well basically that's what he said in so many words that doesn't surprise me but is it is it just part of the gas lighting that we received during these briefings that he was trying to be sarcastic did you note any sarcasm in his voice or how he's talking to the press or he wasn't talking to the press when he introduced the idea of disinfectants and UV light no I detected none and I looked at it a couple of times and I'm appalled because the man is a father and then when you think that he does have that role then you recall what his biographers have said that actually he paid absolutely no attention to the children on the way but so I don't see where he takes any responsibility for anything except his own self aggrandizement and this dream of consciousness access he gives us to that mental life that he had which is not up to the demands on him that we we know are there and he can't step up to it he can't do any better no not to it yeah hey Cynthia you saw it what did you think of it the whole business and what do you think is his response and and where we are today with the fact that this was a monumental moment for Donald Trump to put out there and I know it's not in the news you know headlines every day but will this follow him to the election this this horrible brainstorm of his about the introduction of disinfectants and UV light in the human body what do you think Cynthia well I would hope it would follow him to the election and we've seen this kind of gaslighting all along through his whole entire presidency every time he makes a mistake he says oh I was joking or I was just being sarcastic all of that's to his his normal fallback does he get away with it this time well I think he'll get away with anything with his base but I think he changed the minds of a lot of people with this you know and I was on Facebook just yesterday and there's a gal that I know who loves Trump and she comes up with this picture of a bus going through this um UV light the sense um sanitizing uh process and we already know it doesn't work and so here she's trying to put forward that he was just a genius that tesla came up years ago with light therapy and and it is true that for many years doctors used light therapy they stopped because they found out it doesn't work as a hairdresser for many years we used to use ultraviolet in glass tubes for facial treatments we stopped doing that because it doesn't work so so we already have the evidence of of light therapy not being effective and then we also have the evidence of not being able to ingest any kind of disinfectant into our bodies and like you said you know that the numbers for the calls to poison control skyrocketed everywhere and I think what this showed is dark one big thing anyway that this showed is dr berks sycophant self that I sort of have recognized all along but it came out full-blown undeniable now so I don't see how any of us can trust her if she's willing to cover for him with something that dramatic and good point good point well you know this week we also have found a little more detail about the number of briefings and it looks like it's 10 or 12 separate briefings that US intelligent agencies specifically cia put in those briefings for donald trump that specifically back in january and february said we've got a real problem with COVID-19 um and its impact on the united states and and citizens sorry the citizens of the united states um basically david press was a former cia officer and he said i would put that in the the prep the the briefings now whether or not he looked at them probably not we know that donald trump has a disdain for these agencies because they were ones that said russia was partly responsible for meddling in the election of 2016 so he didn't like that and he didn't he didn't agree with him he he trusted putt more than he did our own intelligent agencies so now then in january of 2020 they're saying hey we got a real problem with this potential pandemic um he blew it off and he's we have him on in record that he basically was devaluating the whole idea of COVID-19 so now that these are coming to play um what do you think do you think that he's going to pay attention to that or just as usual just brush it off are you asking me yes i think he's going to brush it off the first thing he did when he found out about anything was to remove the intelligent intelligence agent that we had in china in wuhan so it's almost as if he did know and took steps to reduce the ability for americans to know about it to hide it and that's what i see that he did the most that was his first thing and then his second thing that i noticed is how can i make money out of this off of this it seems like his delay was to be able to put people in place and corporations in place they would be able to profit from making the tests that didn't even get made correctly in the beginning um you know declining the tests that were being offered by who and um discounting their claims all along so i think he knew all along i don't think it said he didn't know or didn't read i think he just was thinking about this from a different perspective than most people would most people would think about it from the perspective of how do i stop this how do i cure this how do i keep my people safe his thinking was how do i keep them from knowing about it keeping it secret and how can i make money on it yeah uh winston are you there i'm here oh there we go winston same question um what's your thoughts about the fact that uh this is coming to light as well as far as the number of press briefings he had well back in january it's it's information that he dismissed out of hand these i think it was a 17 u.s different u.s um intelligence agencies came to the same conclusion about russia those are all on the officials and enemies list as our democrats as our reporters as our everybody who does not toe the line and i think with dr berks maybe what we're seeing here and what we're seeing with a lot of america is stockholm syndrome you're around it so much it's diluting you maybe your husband's got fox on and you just and and it's on all the time and suddenly you start to you know there's some kool aid that's left out there's nothing else to drink and you start drinking the kool aid it may have been that she just might have been broken so he's not going to pay any attention to those briefings he will dismiss them ignore them or uh say that he knew all along it you know what he says is irrelevant i'm glad that the media is covering it i mean when you have to fact check the president in real time they we need a new summary of what is said that's it i mean the interesting thing that i saw was if we're supposed to be injecting and are consuming disinfectants does donald trump not know that they are really not readily available in the aisles anyway and folks don't be going out and injecting or ingesting disinfectants not saying you should have just saying they wouldn't be able to lift your head so um when you have the makers of lysol and chlorox and drano saying yeah our products are not for human consumption it's a sad day at erin i'd like to make an observation because what i've noticed every time that um reporters and or articles and various publications pinpoint that donald trump had been forewarned yet really did very little or very late we lost six weeks basically of taking solid action against covid uh his go-to response is well look i shut down china people didn't want me to do that but i shut down china fact number one he didn't shut down china he he put a travel restriction on it we still saw no less than 40 000 trips of people coming from china into the united states so he didn't do as he likes to use the word ban i ban travel from china he did not also if you think about it he closed maybe partially the front door but he left the back door wide open on february the second he put in that that travel restriction with china but he waited a full month and over a month march 13th he put in the travel restriction from europe to the united states we know that most of the cases on the east coast came from europe so why did he close one half of the country but not the other half is this i yeah i it's a true question winston because there is no answer to this there's no answer i i i mean and and when he says we need to liberate america and then the governor of georgia said yeah i want to liberate my state then he gets bonked on the head by the same man telling him to liberate you're not supposed to liberate the red states you're supposed to liberate the the democratic governor states that's the unspoken rule that he that uh was the problem there so yeah i think in another states are like okay i definitely wanted to liberate stefany will this information that's come to light about how often he was informed um how he was warned will this at all impact his ability to retain his popularity and his poll numbers for the coming election well i i think it will with his base as as synthia's already or several of you've already mentioned that's a pretty strong fact um that they're they're with him through hell and high water as we say but um is the collective memory of our country going to forget this between now and the election well probably not because one of the things that i believe is already going on is that the nation the many in the nation have aligned behind a particular individual who could be the the the democratic nominee and i believe that when you think about how that works because this um that nominee potentially is is not you know uh the the superman he's not got every box checked okay but what is it that he does have and i think one of the things that he does have in relation to your first question to winston about um um his being intelligent briefed so many times before he took any action or or even acknowledged that it was a fact um is that he won't take any information he says i listened to 75 people but he's taking he's sitting there and having all of this information but he doesn't ingest it and he doesn't bring it in and he doesn't integrate himself with that information or do anything to build a schema of his own about as he no evidence but what happens is i think the people are realizing this that no matter who he has with him he can discard them right and left because what what worth are they all of these magnificent public servants that have been tossed down the tube um they have no value to him because he's never engaged what they have shared with him no matter the source and so i think that what we're seeing um in the nation is this is somebody that's not influenceable so we need somebody as who can be a nice guy pull us together has good values and he listens he will listen to experienced professionals policy people all of the fabulously talented leadership we have out there and expertise and i believe that that is one of the things that's driving are the whole nation are many in the nation who may be a majority to come to see that we do need this other kind of a person who can listen actually and begin to use that information and not just rely on his own consciousness last night i mean we're not getting anything at any higher level of cognition from this man except what is just streaming out of his head all the time so i i think maybe some that's my proposition about what might be going on here because nobody's perfect no there's no perfect candidate you can't check every single box being the best let's let's go on to stephanie on this one i was talking i want to follow stephanie with your your comment about leadership uh synthia i don't know if you saw yesterday but leadership in the form of our vice president mike pence went to the mail clinic and you saw those photos those videos of vice president mike pence in the midst of a patient along with the administrators of the mail clinic everyone clearly had a mask on except for vice president did not and synthia what was your impression and what excuse that he put out there was that sellable was that was that even plausible of an excuse that he's tested often and that should suffice for his lack of respect to number one the mail clinic and their policies and procedures but two as a leader as the task force leader for the united states on this problem well that's what bothered me the most was that there's no um example being made and you know it's one thing maybe on these white house briefings you don't wear a mask but when you walk into a hospital that has a specific you know regulation and and he was warned i mean the mail clinic even said that he was warned before he arrived that he was going to be expected to be wearing a mask and then when he got there he refused to do it i think just me i think they should have refused him entrance i don't think they should have let him in if you don't come in you know i was in the hospital for a while before all of this pandemic really was declared and even then just because it's flu season queen's hospital everybody had to wear a mask this was all i saw of my caregivers because they all had masks on hospitals do this during the you know the months of of the flu seasons so this is even you know this is like the flu season on steroids so you especially need to be wearing that mask and so i think it was very long i think it said a horrible example um you know one thing if the president wants to be an idiot but for the vice president also we already know he's a sycophant and all that stuff anyway but good grief to be that irresponsible and disrespectful just cut me to the core all right thank you Cynthia uh Winston was um did you have any thoughts on that on that point i think Stephanie had a comment right before so let's i'm just but i was so astounded because i think he offended the nation by saying i have all these tests i'm taking all the time when we have people out there in the midst of this who cannot get a test so i think that that message was absolutely diabolical and that he thought that somehow that would please people and make him um exempt the rules and and that was offensive to the nation well you know let's look at the statement is you know in itself i mean okay so i get tested today all it takes is one person with um non non-symptomatic asymptomatic to get in my my my my area and then now even though i've had the test i can become infected and it doesn't matter if you've been tested every other day or every four days um you can easily become infected right away and so then you're you're affected so it didn't make sense to me logically that uh for his response as a plausible reason why he didn't wear that mask other than i think he didn't want to upset his boss because make his boss you know seem like the only one that wasn't doing it so he had to join in in the stupidity but that's just my read on it back to you winston yeah i mean that's he's a pure sycophant it does Mike Pence is the penultimate sycophant and and he what we're looking for is um just for some leadership even that he doesn't have to say anything just him showing up in a hospital this is wasn't a factory that you know or talking around a big table with other leaders where they had six feet between them anyway this is a hospital where you should be wearing a mask pretty much anyway you go to asia people wear masks have been wearing masks on the streets for years and just because that's that's what you do but him wearing a mask would have sent a very powerful message that says we're actually in a pandemic folks so while we're liberating your economy if we're if you're one of the states is being liberated wear a mask anyway whether at the hospital safeway whatever okay you open your business at least do this minimum thing and that wasn't the message there because you're right the donald said he would not do it and um so therefore there's no way Mike Pence could do it because that would be that would be um incredible disobedience for him to do something like that yeah okay we're gonna go to Stephanie hey Stephanie we just got a question coming in from one of our viewers and the question is did dr. Fauci weigh in on trump's statement on ingesting disinfectants and UV lights question mark i don't recall seeing anything if not why not did trump weigh in on that what no did dr. Fauci weigh in on donald trump's statement about ingesting disinfectants and UV lights i never heard dr. Fauci but i believe i heard dr. Brooks say something about it and also immediately after the comment was made the messages were coming from the companies the corporations don't please don't drink calorox you're drain no example they started putting out that information because they understand how influential uh a statement that can be to to youngsters and adolescents and and who knows uh you know the waywardness of kids i mean it's incredibly dangerous and there may be a few adults that get goofy and are desperate and describe themselves to do any fear will make you do all sorts of crazy things and and that plays right into it their fear and his words so that's that's a that's a dangerous scary combination should have been really really clear about it absolutely yeah okay we got a couple minutes left and Stephanie i'm going to go to use the last question and then we'll head to winston we'll call it a day um we know that testing is a big part of all these businesses opening up we know that we don't have enough tests we know we're doing about 220 000 versus what harvard thinks we should be doing at least five million a day donald trump was coded yesterday to say we're going to be very close to that very soon Cynthia what was your i don't know if you saw that or not but what was your impression or your response to go from 220 000 tests per day to five million and donald trump saying we're very close well if you look back from the beginning everything has been going to be very soon everything he says very soon very soon is a very hard to define moment right he's very soon could be tomorrow it could be next month and you know people are opening their states now those tests need to be now not very soon and and if he would maybe define exactly what he means by very soon i might feel a little better about the whole thing yeah okay winston your last final thoughts uh yeah fact check go to your local credible authorities on what you should be doing for your health safety and welfare uh turn off the news when um less credible people are talking and rely on true experts that that will that are doing all they can to protect you um and that's it because we we have to go uh for where the leadership is we're true credible leadership is and it's out there we're seeing it um you but like everything you got it you got to look for it you got to come here to think tech and find the news too there you go i think those are wise words winston and i thank you very much for joining us this week stephanie thank you so much for your insights and your comments and synthia as always i appreciate everything you bring to the table and and make us think very hard on where we go from here so until next week wednesday at 11 o'clock we'll see you all again at trump week much aloha