 motivated and they learn the conversation skills and the short skills, short skills itself contains various aspects which one intends to improve with a flux of time. And they all say that knowledge and skills are just like an axe. If you leave it, it doesn't work better. But if you sharpen it, it keeps on improving better. And as we have always been saying since long and what has been kind enough, the spikes of the COVID have come down that we should continue to maintain social distancing. We should go for the vaccination with a mask and we should go out of the home only and only if it is required. And the best way to remain home and to learn the answers from a person like Mr. Vivek Atre, a close friend of ours, and on this platform, we have been able to chip in some bit of his knowledge through his being a resource person on this platform and otherwise also on large number of platforms, if you see in the LinkedIn, et cetera, where he's keeping on sharing the knowledge and we can speak a lot in volumes of Mr. Vivek Atre and Professor Vinay Kapoor Mehra. But as they say, the people are there to learn and hear from the resource person and not from the host. So they say the taste of the pudding lies in the eating and that eating comes from the resource person and not from the person who decorates it. I will ask Professor Vinay Kapoor Mehra, the vice chancellor of Dr. B. R. M. Bedkar National Law University, to give a formal introduction and then we will request Mr. Atre to take things forward. And we are honored that Mr. Atre has agreed to it. Over to you ma'am. Thank you, Mr. Vivek Atre. So it has been always a player to be part of the binas you have been organizing for the last one year, though we could not join all of them, though we wish and I hope our students because they are in the first year and second year. So we could not be the partner in those topics which are relevant in their last year or third year or fourth year. But this time this topic is their curriculum also. So I made it a point that all the student must attend and the teacher also because they are also to use this tool and if they are not able to use it in a better way, they cannot communicate well. So class teaching is altogether different from the online teaching, but this has become our compulsion. And we have to learn it, we have to, means, custom ourselves to this new technology. So I'm very thankful to Mr. Vikas, because the formal introduction that I don't know Vikas has not sent. So Vikas will maybe introduce him, but I welcome him to the university. And I wish when the corona period is over, they should come to our department to the campus and interact with the student face to face. And we hope for that day when we will be face to face and there will be more chatting and more interaction. Thank you, sir, to be here with us today. Thank you. And just before we start, I was saying that already 101 participants are on the platform and Mr. Atre is an avid follower and a good picketer himself. For him, he knows what value 100 carries. Over to you, sir. Thank you Vikas. Thank you, Dr. Kapoor. Thank you very much for the introduction and welcome. I'm very much, it's my privilege to be speaking on this webinar organized by Beyond Law and National Law University, Sonipal. I have been interacting with Mr. Vikas Chatharath and I've spoken on these sessions of and on and we've had some guest speakers, also eminent speakers, which are, which were very good. Now I think it's time for me first to tell you about my connection with Sonipal, though I never remain posted there. I remain posted in other parts of Haryana, but I belong to the district of Sonipal. My father was from there and he was an IPS officer, Mr. JP Atre. He was born in an art district, but he lived in Karkhwada, which is definitely a part of Sonipal. Of course, the law university and other developments came much later and that part of Haryana has developed very well. I'm sure the brightest of students are a part of your university and campus. I'm sure that they are missing going back to campus and you ma'am, I'm missing the presence of students. It is difficult. It is different. It is odd. It is at variance with normal lives, what we are going through at times, at these times. And I have a column in the Hindustan Times where I wrote three pieces in the last three, four nights. One was called, After the Best Medicine, Despite All Our Troubles, How We Can Share a Laugh and a Smile and Prayers, perhaps to get over this period. The second one on this topic was how to appreciate the doctors and the medical fraternity, which is really doing a tremendous job on the face of great challenges. It's like our soldiers on the border are always selfless and always there for us. Similarly, the doctors at the forefront of this battle are waging a war against this illness, this ailment, this contagion, this virus and they are winning. They are winning the battle. By and by, they are winning the battle and they will win the battle. Being humanity will win the battle. And the third one I wrote was 10 ways to beat the blues of this pandemic and how we can improve our own personality, perhaps, while being in the pandemic times and the lockdown times. So this webinar is very much in tune with what I wrote on that. One of the points was to improve your speaking skills, your writing skills, your knowledge, your know-how, your being well-read perhaps with a few books which you never read earlier. Perhaps learning a new skill which could be related to a new language or a new field of endeavor. I have been emphasizing that this period of being online is something which we need to get used to, even if and when we go back to being in the classroom, in the law, university, in the courts, in the offices, in the private sector when things are a little more easy and normal. Even then, we will use a lot of online interactions and it makes sense sometimes to be online other than to be physically flying in somewhere from very far away or driving hundreds of kilometers to get somewhere to just have someone on a video call. And while you can have what are called hybrid meetings where some people are in the presence of physical presence, others are online, that is something which is here to stay. And it makes a lot of sense to have hybrid kinds of meetings. So therefore, even after things open up, I'm sure that we'll have many speakers online, many people who have to speak for the camera. So therefore, that brings me to the topic of today which is conversation skills and soft skills, especially in the online mode. I have a video on my YouTube channel which is also by my name Vivek Aathri, which is my name shown on the screen as well, the same channel name, which is called How to Speak Well at a Webinar. Now, if I already have been speaking for let's say three or four minutes and if I have not caught your attention yet, then I'm not doing my job. So I need to speak well, tag somebody's attention the first few minutes. And what I am going to do today before I get into more details is to tell you a very quick story. And this story is the story of a lady who was late for a flight and when flights were running comfortably. She reaches the airport and she's quite in a tizzy rushing to the counter to get her boarding pass. When she reaches the counter, she's told that the flight is delayed by 45 minutes. Now she's very upset and she's already late, but now she's going to be extremely late to reach that place and reach her meeting which is flying from Delhi to Bombay for example. So what happened with her is that she buys a packet of cookies and sits down to wait for the boarding announcement. She puts the purse on the table and a man sitting next to her on the next seat. He picks up the packet of biscuits and eats one of them. Now this lady is what they call Mr. Shashi Tharoop's English, non-plussed. She's absolutely shocked. She's totally bewildered by this man's action of picking up this packet of cookies and eating one of them and therefore she decides not to tell him that it is her packet but to pick up the next one and eat the next one just to make sure that he understands whose packet of biscuits it is. So she eats the next one and the man eats the third one and then she eats another one, he eats another one. She's fuming, already fuming because of the flight delay. Please don't get me wrong ma'am, it put me the man on this side and the lady on the other side is just a story. So this lady is fuming but she keeps eating one biscuit quietly and he keeps eating one biscuit quietly. Suddenly the flight is announced and she gets up in a tizzy for getting biscuits on the packet and everything and she goes towards the boarding gate. He opens her purse to pick out her boarding pass and finds that the packet of biscuits is in the purse. He had been eating his biscuits. So what are we living in today? We are living in distracted times when the presence of mind is often lacking, missing. When we are not conscious of our keys, our wallet, our handkerchief, our phone, our things because firstly we have so many things to look after and today we also have a mask to look after. So we stop, we become absent-minded and we start thinking of other things and we are not focusing on the present. If I tell you a story like this, it brings the attention of the audience somehow. They may not find it of interest or they may but at least you are bringing in the attention of the audience into what you are saying. So the first skill that I'm going to talk about is the ability to tell a tale, ability to relate an anecdote, the ability to recount some incident of your life which was maybe earth shaking, maybe inspirational, maybe amusing, maybe just incidental and just passing, in passing you found it to be useful. I remember at my school days, one of the teachers told me, he told the class, he says, tell me the next word in this sentence. Somehow I was a new boy but I raised my hand and asked about the right answer. He says good boy. Now when he said good boy to me, it still remains with me today after so many years of having been in that class. So these are the things which inspire. If we are able to say such things in our conversation, the conversation becomes more memorable than if we are just rattling off theoretical data that this particular leadership quality, that particular leadership quality, then there should be emotional intelligence, there should be communication skills, there should be decisiveness, there should be angle management, there should be creativity, there should be stability, calmness, all these are leadership qualities. If I'm talking about leadership and I stop giving any stories or anecdotes, people's interest will go away. For a conversation or a talk or a message online, especially, has to catch more attention quickly because we don't have that much time to catch people's attention. They can quickly run away. One thing is stopping them from clicking exit and in a conversation when the people are in the room, it is more difficult for someone to sneak away because they're in the middle of the audience, they're sitting in the fourth row middle, can't get up easily without being noticed. So here we are just at the click of a button and you're gone. So your ability to hold the attention of the audience is vital to the content. Let's look at Mr. Barack Obama and Mrs. Michelle Obama. You may have noticed a video in which they are both sitting together and reading from a children's book, a book for children with some books behind them as a library and these two, this couple, very impressive, available and obviously in love with each other couple. The way they are reading from that book and they read so beautifully well. The way they are, the way they focus, the way they smile, the way they look at each other. Anybody's attention would be captivated by that five or seven minute video which you may have seen on WhatsApp. These two people talking to each other, this couple gives such radiance and because two people are on the camera, it is anyway more captivating. Now, supposing somebody was sitting with me, you might wait for that person to speak. Right now also we'll have Vinay Ma'am and Vikachi speak later. The point is that even if you are the best narrator in the world like Barack Obama is in my view, you still need some entertainment. You still need some digression. You still need some stories. You still need some examples and some inspiring incidents to relate. Otherwise, you cannot hold the interest of human beings. Human beings have short spans of attention and when they are sitting before a camera, it becomes even shorter. When the person is sitting in front and the coffee is garam and the tea is garam or whatever it is or the lassi is ice, they will talk more because the interest factor is not only in the person sitting but in the situation. When you are in a camera, then your contact with that personality is limited to what is visible on the screen. Therefore comes the second point that I want to give. The second point in an online conversation is bring your aura to the presence as far as possible. Everybody has a personality and aura, a way of talking, a way of thinking. Everybody has what is called a presence. Your presence in a physical situation is much superior to your presence on a camera. Of course, some people do better on the camera than they look on real life. It could be film stars and nothing against film stars. But most people will make their presence felt more in real life than on a camera. So how can we enhance our presence on camera? How can we do more on camera to make a presence and make a mark in the lives or in the minds of people who are watching this? Firstly, in this, the sub point is this is like a legal document now. The first point is we need to be speaking a little more loudly than we normally speak. If people are sitting around you, you can speak in a normal tone. Here, even if you have a mic, even if you are speaking in a good soundproof area, speak a little more with energy. Theater actors will tell you that they thought there was television actors, movie actors, won't have to do it because it is recorded, it is dubbed later. But a theater actor has to throw his or her voice at the audience in a way. And a theater actor will speak from the stomach, not speak from the throat, not speak from the lips to the stomach. That means the whole energy is coming. Firstly, bringing in more energy. Secondly, have a pleasing enough presence visually. Now visually, what happens, some people unfortunately, when they come on camera and this is because maybe the experience is not that much. It will either be too close or too far away. Normally, the mistake is to be too close. So all of us are good looking. I'm sure 120 of us are good looking people in this hall. But we don't look as good. If the camera is in our nose or on our face, we will look less good at that time. There is no doubt about it. So there has to be a certain distance while not being too far away from the camera. Your presence will look better. Only if your face is visible or the angle is a little awkward, your presence is not there. If you are visible, at least your shirt or your clothes are a little bit visible. Your hands are visible while you're talking. That is good enough. Some backdrop is also required. Third point, the backdrop should not be cluttered. The backdrop should not be full of lots of things. Or it should not be too blank also. Unless you are giving a technical presentation, the backdrop should have something. Luckily for me, to prove it, I have a printing at the back. It's not too cluttered. I could have had one or two more things here which would have looked fine. But that's it, not more than that. Then you dress for the occasion. Even if you are online, you don't come in your T-shirt and pajamas. Of course you can come in your pajamas because nobody can see that. But most people will come in their suit and tie if they are appearing before a court. They will come in some kind of formal dress. If they are appearing before the Government of India or appearing before the Government of Canada or something, there is a formal meeting. Everybody will dress formally. At least you are expected to wear something which is reasonably formal even on a webcam, even on a webinar. Unless you are having a birthday party or a dance party or something which kids also have on Zoom, that's okay. I have no problem you wear whatever you like. But reasonably semi-formal you can wear. And well groomed. Even if you are in lockdown, you haven't had a haircut for a few weeks. Try and groom yourself well enough, whatever you can so that you look the part. And the fourth point about your presence is and this is also very, very important. The smile has to be there. The radiance has to be there. You cannot be glum and reading from something. I'll remember. And I'm not criticizing this person but I remember him, you may remember from your school days, my generation. There used to be a very good news reader on Chilathar TV. His name was Raman Kumar. You remember because Raman Kumar. So he was reading from the news. He was very good but he was monotonous. He would not smile even a bit. Very good looking man. But I remember his tone and I remember his delivery and it would never change. Never change at all. Whereas, and I know this lady, I met her later. There used to be another news reader called Mrs. Maninder Kaur. And now I think she lives in Chandigarh. I'm not sure. She was always different. She would come one day and he would come one day. As far as I remember, Jalandhar Deepi and he would have intonation. He would smile. He would express. So when we are speaking on a camera and carrying out the conversation on a camera, we need to express that smile, that voice, that variation of tone, even the pause. Pauses are also important. If I go on rattling off information without allowing you to digest it, you will get indigestion of information. I need to be understood. I need to give enough gaps and pauses and breaks in the middle of time. And that leads me to the next part of my talk. And I won't be talking for too long. We will have an interaction yet. But I have a couple of more points to tell you. In a conversation mode where more than one speaker are meeting when people are talking not just listening to one speaker or two speakers 12 people are supposed to share their ideas supposing you are in a Zoom meeting of 12 people all of them are going to share their ideas. You get only 2 minutes or 4 minutes then you have to make those 2 minutes count. You cannot afford to start with a long introduction. You have only 2 minutes to 3 minutes short introduction get to the point and the points have to be quick and crisp. Firstly supposing I am to talk on education in India supposing I will say education in India needs to be more creative oriented. Firstly we need to get rid of road learning. Secondly we need to bring in more experiential learning into the education system. Thirdly we need to get social emotional learning children need to be initiated to conversations meeting different kinds of people. Fourthly all around creative skills need to be imparted. We need to get more sports more music or art or photography whatever it is. Lastly we need to ensure that moral values and value based education is there. We need to make good human beings out of our education. Now not trying to brag but I am just saying that in one minute I was able to give 5 points on the topic of education 1 or 2 minutes whatever I do if you get a short time to speak in an online conversation make it matter make it count rehearse your points without preparation in a short format so you have to prepare as to what am I going to say in this particular period am I going to say it am I going to have 3 points am I going to have 2 points am I going to make only 1 point but I need to make it with conviction I need to make it with clarity I need to make it impressively enough to be heard by all consumers. These are basically the points of the conversation and the next point listening skills are also important when we are in a coffee table discussion in a presence of people in the room we cannot interrupt others when they are speaking when we are on camera we cannot interrupt others who are speaking the same thing Conversations have to be 2 way or 3 way whatever it is or 4 way to listen to each other some people have the habit of talking time so if there are 10 minutes in all 1 person speaks for 8 minutes and the conversational format where everybody is supposed to speak then it doesn't work if you have a Q and A format like today we have a Q and A kind of format where there is total 60 minutes for this webinar we have a speaker and then we have a Q and A then you will accordingly plan your conversation you cannot have one person otherwise bugging the line listening skills also mean that you really digest what the other person is saying it is not that you are just waiting for him to finish patient listening even in a patient ship at home especially at home it matters and there was a whatsapp joke today I told you I would like to give some information that the wife is telling the husband who is sitting on the sofa and she has been working all morning she says I have been cooking I have been cleaning I have been preparing this I have been doing this I have been doing that and all you have been doing is sitting on that sofa waiting for me to give you a snack isn't that right what is the one thing that you have done the other person says I have been patient I have been patient that is a joke the funny thing is that she has worked hard while being patient he has been relaxing while being patient it is not justified however men are men and women are women but listening to each other talking to each other being careful conversationalists not hurting other people's feelings not saying something without thinking flirting it out with just one provocation and we just flirt it out that doesn't make sense our emotional intelligence will tell us that we need to think before we speak especially at home we don't take people for granted that is not really the topic of the day we are talking more about the online conversations but even in online conversations listening to others listening to others appreciating them appreciating what they said you can say oh yes you had said this when you spoke I really appreciated your point that person feels good and it is a valid point that we have another point that I can make before I hand over to Vikas perhaps for Q&A and more interaction is when we are in our professional lives we are talking to juniors we are talking to somebody who is not as senior as us very often senior people are not really attentive to the juniors they are busy on their phones the person is talking I am looking at my papers I am looking at my phone the person is talking everybody is busy I am busy you are busy lawyers are busy, doctors are busy officers are busy and if we can just talk to them or listen to them for one minute two minutes that is good enough the juniors especially have to be listened to a little more ok everybody is very careful with the boss when the boss is there the senior is there the senior officer or the judge is there obviously everybody is very attentive but when the junior person has come we are not that attentive we take them for granted we are human we are all human and even at even in office we take them for granted at home we take them for granted children also come and say something we don't even know what they said because we are reading the newspaper and then the child will say in the evening papa I told you this when did you tell me while you were reading the newspaper then you can say that doesn't count because when I am reading the newspaper I don't listen to anyone that means being a good conversation and lastly soft skills are also mentioned in the topic on camera your soft skills are basically your communication skills but it could be your body language which matters even on camera your body language has to be stable they cannot be too much restlessness or shifting of course you have to switch on the fan or you have to switch on the charger it's better to be prepared beforehand it's better to be in your seat beforehand before the show begins or the talk begins and better to have your phone charged or laptop charged or your comfort level is okay have a glass of water nearby and then go and if your content is good your delivery is good your time management is good everybody will enjoy the session so I will close with one more story and then I will hand it over to Vikas this story is a little bit about thankfulness and attitude of gratitude and I am a motivational speaker so this is my topic I must say this and Atharash Atharash was a great tennis player and he died after very young but he won Wimbledon at one point of time and when he won Wimbledon he was on top of the world everybody celebrated his victory he was in the papers all across the world even the tribune must have carried his paper for his photo in Chandigarh and Atharash could not have felt better than he felt at that time when he was dying he was not well he received letters from across the world and they wrote to him that Athar we feel so bad why is this illness happening to you why not to somebody and he wrote back he said when I won Wimbledon I realized I am one of the most lucky tennis players in history who have won Wimbledon millions of tennis players play tennis one of them wins Wimbledon men's Wimbledon won every year one of them wins the women's Wimbledon very rare I did not ask God at that time why is this happening to me why not to somebody else when we look at this pandemic and the tough times we are in there are people who have changed who have adapted who have become flexible who have still been grateful for what they have and there are people who have found it difficult to remain positive and cheerful and creative because the tension and stress has been too much and perhaps without not without reason because somebody in the family somebody in the extended family has not been well or even lost their lives it is a tough time but our emotional intelligence our talents our self-development our skills creativity will help us to see this through and I am sure we will see it soon so let's hope we meet in the hall very soon or soon enough and we can talk more there and over to you because thank you very much for listening all of you I am glad to see that the cricketer number above 100 started and it has only increased not decreased over to you like one has said that sir if you could have shared some things in Hindi also we will ask you certain questions in Hindi like we paid a lot of emphasis on silent and listening it's a common message which we often receive on the whatsapp that silent and listen both have the same words but they have a different connotation so that is one of the takes which we have taken from your session and like you were given anticipations like of the cookies I have reminded that they say that one of the couples had shifted to a house probably have shared with that and the wife used to say that our neighbors never washes the clothes clean for 3-4 days and one day he gets up, takes the cloth cleans the glass and then he says that it's not always that the other person is bad sometimes we also have to introspect ourselves and sometimes we are not so the questions are too and I will ask you want me to answer in Hindi? how do we develop the art of patient and deep listening how do we develop the art of patients and deep listening so you will have to work on decluttering your mind see the clutter of the mind is what is causing restlessness and stress in lives nowadays and what happens is that we tend to overthink when you are overthinking then you cannot listen clearly to anyone when you are mindful and you are conscious of the present moment difficult, it's not easy then you are a better listener if you are thinking my webinar is coming or I have to have a milkshake or do anything so I cannot be listening to the person I am thinking about something else so I need to be focused on the present and we can also practice meditation morning and evening calmness will come it will be very very good if you are calm also practice deep breathing deep breathing is not only useful for mental calmness but as you have seen in this pandemic those who have been practicing deep breathing they are better off even recovering from this illness breathing, calmness walking, meditation makes you better listen and then take genuine interest in the person who is talking, that's important the thing says how can a stage fear be let's do this in Hindi I have made a video in Hindi if you want to see there is a channel called Vivek Adre on my channel there is a link on Instagram basically I said we don't have to stress ourselves and we don't have to over-think we don't have to over-think we have to be creatively busy but this question is related to stage confidence in presence so the stage is a place where humankind is afraid because they feel that we will either laugh or we won't listen or we won't be able to have any impact so stage fright is a place to go and the saying is that after death the second greatest fear of humankind is stage fright because I don't believe because I fear other things like bungee jumping or parasailing or climbing mountains but people say so I think stage fright is not that scary all you need to do is to be yourself don't try to be someone else don't try to be don't try to be Amitabh Bachchan or Alia Bhatt go there and talk to us in your own way get prepared if you have preparation then confidence is there if you go to give an exam then why are you afraid if you don't practice then you will know so our preparation is not there our preparation is good our content is good our practice is good we are good and we are good so stage fright will end and practice is better practice practice practice I tell people to deep breathing and go deep breathing deep breathing and it feels good and in the middle of the pause sometimes there is a video some announcer is speaking some other thing is happening you are standing on stage waiting for your chance at that time you can be more stable and calm and do that deep breathing which will make you feel better so you will improve your stage presence and practice a little when the hall is empty then go to the stage and sit for half an hour you will feel comfortable you will reach the audience now the stage means camera you don't need camera just be yourself and you will be fine Jupiter says how we should work once you have said do yoga deep breathing don't tell about yoga share the book how will you work? work is a great topic and I can do more webinar but work is enough work is the best friend any personality you see in power in rock in authority it is important if you see such a personality you will feel their personal is more important important their grace their demeanor their feel their hunger if they are calm then their respect increases if they are angry sitting is very important you are throwing your weight you are shouting at people you are impatient you are pulling them you are showing your strength you have strength you know everything but what is your respect respect in your calmness respect in your listening skills respect to people being on a high level this is your goodness and greatness your calmness if you are there then you are a greater leader I told you a few points one is to start a meditation in the morning in the evening whether you are in your 20s or 40s if you have not done it then do it and any technique that you like I also have a website technique of meditation then we have better concentration people say I was sitting for 5 minutes it is very easy to stop but to sit regularly whether you concentrate or not your point is to make the effort a swami who is our yoga satsang he says in meditation effort is progress your job is not to reach the nirvana your job is to sit and meditate you sit there and you try your best and then you leave the result to God calmness will come from meditation calmness will come from determination I am not angry next time in my sister brother, friend, mother wife, daughter son someone said something next time I am not going to lose my calmness I need to be determined and I need to be disciplined and I need to also do physical exercise physical exercise we have happy hormones there are 4 types of hormones I am not a doctor but I know 4 types of hormones oxytocin dopamine serotonins and endorphins there are 4 types of hormones if you google them you will get them and they come with sports to study from a good company to read books doing things which you love calmness needs to be practised it is not easy to come sorry I gave a long answer it was very important we are talking of online aggressive conversation is going on in digital meeting and your point is not being taken how to put it across very practical question and very good question I don't have that I think I will put it in writing chat everyone is typing if I write a point very tactfully you will have to put it you can say that despite my best efforts I have not been able to get the point across and I would like to state the following and if I get one minute to speak I would be happy to elaborate if I write a paragraph and if there is one more way then the other person pauses so I will give you a quick anecdote there was a professor in Chandigarh very senior officer and he used to say that you will have to listen to him he went to a person and he said I went inside and I thought I will have to listen but in half an hour I also spoke for 3 minutes he spoke for 27 minutes and I also spoke for 3 minutes he was very strong the point is that whenever you get a chance a little bit there is a little gap just poke your nose into it and speak same advocate Dr. Krishnan says if the boss is not listening to you though they were called in the meeting but when we start explaining he doesn't listen how to put it across that covers what we actually told that out of 30 minutes even 3 minutes are sufficient yeah so make those 3 minutes count as I said earlier that you will get 3 minutes in your conversation so I had the very big honour and I was representing a group of officers there was one I was there and one lady officer to speak for 3 minutes each so that ADC comes to me before the president he says you can do it in 2 minutes only 2 minutes I said no I gave 3 minutes and now you are saying I can't do it I have a paper even by 1 minute please I took a tough stand he says okay so I was able to speak for 3 minutes but the point here is if the boss is unreasonable then we need to talk to him offline I believe in offline only technically even in the office when the boss doesn't let you speak humiliate you so I always believe that you should go and call on him separately sometime and tell him or her that sir ma'am in some of the meetings I have some points and if you permit I would like to make them next time or ma'am or sir do they appreciate this kind of this person has come to me with a request it's okay I do that I have a chapter in my book finding success within it's titled handling difficult process or what chapter the man has a tips given so you can read it I can say the cracks would be like what was commonly said kaam se kaam aur rahe kaam aur kaam so we have unmuted he is asking your books name even put it in the chat what is the kindly tell the name of your book oh my book Jupiter is asking something Jupiter says Jupiter says when we go well prepared then there is not much panic so that preparation helps us to go the panic that's right we have unmuted Mr. Guleria Dr. Amit Guleria from NLE only you would like to express his words what are thanks are such yeah Mr. Amit thank you so much sir thanks a lot so I am very thankful to invite me for what are thanks for today's session so on behalf of our and all the students who have been joined this session I would like to express my heartiest thanks for such a wonderful and valuable talk I should be this session would definitely put lots of insights for all of us and our students because whatever the practical examples the storytelling you have been given us that is very motivating for us for all of us rather and I would also like to express my heartiest thanks to beyond law CLC especially advocate Vikas Chathrat Ji who have been always been there for making us and making the collaborations with our university and I also extend my heartiest thanks to all the participants over here who are participating on this platform as well as on the this live who are watching live attending this webinar live on the facebook as well as on the youtube so sir this was really a very insightful session they have been enjoyed a lot we will definitely have a get together meeting in a hall so definitely we expect as soon as this pandemic situation would be fine that would be better and we will definitely invite the university even and you will definitely put more insights your experiences towards our students so thanks a lot thank you so much for today's insightful session thank you Vikas sir now the mic is over to you sir yeah thank you to the all the students of Dr. B. R. M. Bedkar National Law University Sonipath who have joined us and to all those participants who are on the platform coupled with those who are watching us live on the facebook and youtube those who have been trying to learn and the fact that they are participating on a webinar where we could understand the source skills and conversation skills it only shows that as they say well beginners have done their intent to learn itself shows that they are intending to improve their skills and before we part for the day today tomorrow do join us on the relevance of the test identification played in the criminal file by Justice Ramkumar former judge of Kerala High Court thank you thank you very much Vikas ji let me also say thanks to you Vikas ji for inviting me and for the national law university and all the listeners let's stay connected and let's stay let's keep learning from each other thank you all thank you stay safe