 Hello, hello, hello, welcome back to Exile Blind Travel. If you guys were on, we try to do a live chat, and we had some technical difficulties. So what we're going to do is we're going to do everything here on YouTube and then upload it. You'll be able to ask questions and I'll answer them in the description box. So we're really lucky today. We have somebody, a very special guest on our show, Juliana Yernikian, the president of Karas Wine, one of the biggest and most important wineries in Armenia. So thanks for being on the show, I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. So can you, first of all, a lot of people even ask us, where is Armenia? And when they think about winemaking, they don't connect Armenian wine. Can you describe where it is and maybe some of the history of Armenian winemaking? Of course. So Armenia is in the Caucasus. It's right next to Turkey, Azerbaijan, Iran, and Georgia. So it's right in the Middle East. Armenia was part of the Soviet Union, so when the Soviet Union fell, there were a lot of the traditions that came from the Soviet times. One of those was the brandy making, the distillation. So people in Armenia, even though the culture is really, really ancient, like the first evidence of which culture was found in Armenia more than 6,000 years ago. So it's really, really ancient, but it was lost in times, especially during the Soviet times. So when we started this project, my family and me, well, it was my great uncle who started Eduardo Arunichan. He founded the winery in 2002. Well, in 2002, we started planting and preparing the land to plant and everything. So when he started, nobody was making wine in Armenia, or at least nobody was making wine in the type of wine that we know as wine. So of course there were people like fermenting grapes, but nobody was making wine that was really interesting to share, or like it was not part of the culture in Armenia. So when we launched our first wine in 2010, it was sort of a revolution in Armenia, and we kind of like shifted the story of the wine story and the wine culture in Armenia, and we really gave the example that winemaking was something that was really possible and that was something that could really happen in Armenia. And luckily today, well, you've been there, and luckily today, there are a lot of different, well, a few, but I think there are lots, like around 15, if I'm not mistaken. Winery is making great wines, all with different characteristics in different parts of Armenia. Well, ours, Karas, it's in the Ararat Valley, and that's in the west of Armenia, right in the border with Turkey. So it's a very, very special place, volcanic soil, very high, above 1,100 meters above sea level, so really, really high. And well, I don't know in which season you were there, I think it was summer, right? It was actually fall. We, you were the first winery in Armenia we visited, back when actually we launched our wine careers, and we didn't meet you yet, I don't think you were in Armenia. And obviously Karas was not accepting visitors or enotourists, there's just normal tourism, it was just in the trade. And I have to say that we were pretty darn impressed, I mean, it's a 2,300 hectare estate and it took a lot of work because you have just, you had humongous stones, it's just all a rock, really, right? Yeah, it was so, so rocky and so, like the soil is so hard and it took us a lot of time to really prepare the place to grow the vines and to learn about the place and to achieve the results that we wanted. So, of course, wine making, it takes a lot of time and it requires a lot of patience but it also a lot of like really paying attention on what's going on in that place and getting to know it. So, it took us from 2002 that we bought the land, we had our first wine in the market in 2010. So, it took us a little bit of time and of course, at that time, at the beginning, we were not allowing any tourism or anything because we were just like really concentrated in the wine making and in like starting the project. So, you are very lucky. Yes, we are. We were lucky. Let's actually, let's get into some of the wines that we're actually tasting together, which is kind of cool. Sure, we can share this glass here. You just released this new line here, a tale of two mountains, kind of, what's the story behind these new labels? Yeah, so, the wine is called A Tale of Two Mountains. That's, I don't know if you can see there. Yes, you can see. So, one of the greatest symbols of Armenian culture and their Armenians is the Mount Ararat. That's a mountain that has two peaks. That's why we say two mountains, but it's actually one mountain with two peaks. So this mountain has been always been like the symbol of Armenian story and Armenian community and every Armenian has a story with, like, involves the Mount Ararat and everyone that goes there, you can really feel the like the energy and the importance of that mountain. For those that haven't been to Armenia, like the Yerevan, the capital city, it's in a valley and that valley, like, looks to the Mount Ararat and in our vineyard, we are in the Ararat Valley, so we are very close to a mountain. We are, like, right in the Piemont, yeah. You can see how beautiful the mountain is right there. Sure. That's like. Yeah, you can see the Ararat from everywhere and everyone has a story and we like to think that even the mountain has a story of us, no, of our stories, of our history, of our romances, of our, so this wine is about that, about our history and about connecting with that history and with that, like, with our roots, no? So let's get, let's get in the first, it's a blend of kangoon and shenanblok, right? Kangoon is one of, one of the white varieties of Armenia, correct? Yeah, that's right. So sorry, I had it open and so this, this wine, it's, we wanted to, to really show this like international also aspect of us as a family and as a company. So we, our idea was to blend something that is very Armenian with something that is more international that can also, like, behave well in the blends, no? So I think that kangoon, it's a very interesting grape. It's mainly used for desalation in Armenia. So it's a typical white grape that is used for brandy, for Armenian brandy. And it has a lot of texture, it's very, like, oily and greasy, so it's, it's really nice in the mouth. In the nose, it's, it's much more like, it's very fruity a little bit, it has less something like honey or something sweet, but it's not that expressive as other, other white grapes. So I think that in the blend with the shenan, like you can really taste the, the tipicity of the kangoon and with something more interesting as, something also very interesting as a shenan. I don't know what you think. If you have to compare this grape with an international grape, which one would you compare it to? Is this similar to a certain more famous wine grape? I think there's, there's one in Croatia where you are, that it's a little bit similar. I don't remember the name, probably you do. I think that, like our terroir, our place in, in Narmavid, in, in Ararat Valet, it's, well, the soil is volcanic and it's really mineral. And I think that in this wine, for example, you can really feel that character. It's a little bit salty, I don't know if you can taste it, but that's something that I really, really like in wines, like that, like chalky and tastes like salty finish, no, like savory. Yep. I think that, kind of good was used for, for people who don't know, was used for the famous Armenian brandy. It was one of the grapes. And I was, it was cool to see that you're highlighting some Armenian wine grapes. We talked about this on the livestream chat that kind of went out with technical difficulties. I always felt, we always felt that Karas wines were good, but you were dependent heavily on international varieties in the beginning and not Armenian varieties. Can you describe that journey for, for Karas and why, why, why that one? Yeah. So as I am, like they created a viticulture, it's, it's located in Armenia now. So like the, the birth of wine making was like happened in Armenia. So when we started, we, we wanted to sort of like bring back home, all of these like lost childs around the world, back home to Armenia. So we planted all different kinds of grapes from Italian grapes to French grapes to Argentinian Malvec, for example, and of course the Armenian grapes also. And the Armenians, the Armenian grapes were the ones that we knew the least of, no, because there was not very, a lot of like development in, in research or, or in, in like studies about the Armenian grapes. So we did a lot of research in these, these 10 years that we've been making wine there. And we just now are really like confident on the kinds of, of wine that we are able to do with our own grapes. And we didn't, we didn't want to, to buy grapes from anyone, anyone else because we wanted to do this, our own research and also, also for the industry of Armenia, of course, it's not only about us, but it's also to like, to share this information and to share, share our research. We've been studying different clones and different, like the behavior of these clones in different parts of our, of our state, which, which is quite heterogeneous when it comes to, to the soil. So now, some years later, it took us more time that I would have wanted to probably but it's like that, I mean, it takes a lot of time, like every year you have the opportunity of, of making a new wine, but then you have to wait for the other one. So, so now we are really confident in the, in the wines that we are, we are getting to, to do with, with Armenia, which is a red grape from Armenia, like the one of the most important with Sydney, which is another great, great variety. And also with Kanguna first. And I don't want to, to confuse anyone with like telling all these names, but we are doing research with a lot of different grapes and different clones of these grapes. So let's, let's, we have, we have a couple of questions prepared for you. Ask, we can just like, no. So, okay, let's not confuse the audience with too many of the Armenian names, but perhaps you can give us a number of the, the number of Armenian varieties that you have identified as high potential. Okay. So Armenian, there, there have been like discoveries of over 150 different grapes and different varieties in Armenia so far. So there are a lot of different ones, but the ones that I really, really like are, of course, aren't any, which is the red, red grape. It's similar to Pinot Noir or something like that. Sydney, which is also a red grape and it's original from Karabakh area. So that's like more in the, like in the east of Armenia and Kanbun for the whites. And also there's another one for whites that I really like, that it's called. Now I, I lost the name, but I think that. Boskiha, Boskiha, yes, thank you. So Boskiha I really like, but I think that with those four, of course we are doing research more and we are also always like open to new discoveries and to test, testing new, new varieties, but I think that those four are really, really, really good and have a lot of potential. And also, well, Sydney, it's mainly known as like a French grape, but the origin is that it comes from that area, not specifically from Armenia, but I mean from what Armenia was in the past. So it's from that area. And I find that it really, like it really found a new home in, in Armenia. Like the results that we have with Sira are amazing. Actually, we use it a lot for our blends and. You have a varietal one now. You have a varietal Sira. And it's really good, like very, it has a lot of character and really different from other ones, I think. And what about, what about the current demand for Armenian wine? Do you export much to other countries? Yes, luckily, there's a lot of expectation and there's, there are a lot of people like that really, really like the Armenian, Armenian wines. And so we are exporting mainly to Russia, of course, which is very near and to United States and all over Europe and also a little bit in Asia, like China and Japan, but it's mainly Russia and United States. And then Europe when it comes to quantities. And yeah, it's, it's been really like a trip. No, like when, when we started, well, me and my family, we also have a, we're making wines in Argentina, where we are now. And in Argentina, like when, when I started like traveling, telling about the wines, everyone was like, Oh, tell me about Argentina. Like nobody was interesting about Armenia. And now it's like the other way around. Like everyone is like, I don't care about Argentina. Tell me about Armenia. So yeah, it's funny. Like, I think that Armenia is like the one big surprise in the wine industry and people that are really like eager to know something new and to taste new, new wines. Armenia is something that like delivers a lot. It's really exciting. And the wines are really, really good. And the history, of course, like the history is so rich that it becomes very exciting for the, for the consumer. Juliana, it's such a privilege to talk to you because you have experience in both in Argentina and also in Armenia. When you compare these two countries, what are the different challenges that you see in these two countries and similarities when it comes to promoting the wine, marketing the wine? So I think that making wine anywhere in the world, it's like it requires a lot of passion. It requires a lot of patience and like the things that, that you need are the same everywhere you go. But when it comes to, to Armenia and to Argentina, like, of course, the places are very different. Armenia, what is I think the most exciting about thing about Armenia is that it's so new, but at the same time so ancient. So it's like, it's very exciting to be making wines there because they're like, the history is so, so long and so rich, but at the same time, so new because we're making wine only for like 10 years. So I think that, that like the combination of, of new world and ancient world, it's very interesting when I go to, to different places to tell about the wine or, or to like to give a tasting or wine makers dinner or whatever. Like the, to be able to tell the story of these two places that are so extreme, no? Like the beginning of the wine world and the end of the world in Patagonia. So I think the story itself is very interesting and to be able to see like these two phases of the world at the same time because I'm traveling back and forth and doing one bit, one, like one harvest here and a couple of months later, one harvest here. So it's like, it's, I think it's really exciting to be connected to both parts of the world and, I don't know. How is it, how is it managing two humongous properties, being so young, being so young? Well, of course it's a big challenge and I'm learning a lot, I mean, on the way, but of course I'm really lucky that I have a great team of people working with me. I, I work with two amazing wine makers with Michelle Rolando, which is my like, my master and my teacher from since the beginning. So I think that I, I'm very lucky that it's a journey that I share also with my family. And even though I'm, I'm leading the thing and the projects and everything, it's, it's really important to build great teams, of course. And that's what really makes the difference at the end of the day. I'm curious about Michelle Rolando's, the extended to, or rather his responsibilities in, in your wine. Does it come to Armenia often? Is it just a blending part? Does he still work in the viticulture expat? And before, like, before you answer that, just for people that, that don't know Michelle Rolando, one of the most famous consultants in the world is from Bordeaux, from Pomerol, I believe, right? People sometimes know him from the Mondovino documentary or if you're in the world of wine, you know who he is. So like, like Shereen says, we want to know how involved he is actually at the estate there at Karas. Well, he's very involved. He comes to Armenia once a year, but then we have someone from his team that comes twice a year. And of course I'm talking to him, not every day, but very often. And of course he's available every time I need anything or every time we need to really make an important decision in the vineyard or an important decision like throughout the production, like, time. So he's very involved and he's really like, very strict, you know, in some way, like very, and very efficient when it comes to giving advice and to, to really like, knowing which is the problem or asking the right questions to get to the end of the, like, of the problem and really get to a solution. So, I mean, every year is so different. Even, of course, we are learning every year, but every year in wine is so different from the other one. Like, the challenges are different and of course we are always trying to improve. And he's really, really good at that, like really like setting the bar high and like being up to the, like the standards. So we are very like, he's the best. I want to know, because we got into this a little bit in the live stream and before we had some cut out is, is people in wine know about him. He's like a superstar. He's basically a wine making superstar. Tell us a few funny stories that may be a story, maybe a story that stand out. So the kind of person he is, something that people wouldn't really know about him. His English is pretty good, right? If I remember, his English is pretty decent. He's what, sorry? His English, his English. Yeah, his English is very good. His Spanish is amazing because I think, you know, he has a winery here in Argentina. So his Spanish is perfect. He is very curious, very curious, even though like he's older now and he's like, his career, he has like a very long career and he's been in the industry for so long and he knows so much, but he's still very, very curious. That's what I love about him. It's like, every time, like he gets exciting, excited about things, no? And I think that's like very, very important in people. So he's very, very passionate. But at the same time, he's very wise, no? So I think that I, like for me, for example, like I'm younger and I'm really anxious. I want results to be quicker. And he once told me like, well, Kuli, if you really want to make wines, good wines, great wines that people remember, you only need a hundred years time. So it's like the best advice that anyone can tell you, like to slow down, like to really respect nature and to understand that wine is not about quick results but about like really respecting and waiting for results and looking for the right way and like going step by step. Excellent. What about anything, any other particular funny stories or anything like a real specific story that sticks out in your mind? I read the special memory or moment that you had with him? Let me see. I don't know, I have so many, I've traveled with him a lot and he taught me so many things. And we had a great time. Last time he was here in Buenos Aires, we went out for dinner, for example, the two of us together and it was like besides any work scheduled or anything. And we opened these two amazing bottle of wines and I think he's just someone that it's really, really fun to spend time with. I'm always learning something new and I'm always like, it's really funny also. So it's really, really fun, like we laugh a lot every time we get together. Let's move on to the red wine. So we have the red wine for a tale of two mountains. I really appreciate that it's Arrani and Malbec but can you tell us why, why this land? So it's Malbec from Argentina? Oh, I just, the grape from Argentina. Yeah, the grape is from Argentina. Of course we grow it there in Araralvale. So here it is. We found that it's a great blend, something that they really go well together but it's also something that is very representative of us, as a family and our roots and where we come from and what do we want to do? So like we really wanted Arrani to send out and we thought that Malbec would be like a fun combination to blend with. And so this one is 60% Arrani and 40% Malbec. I think you can really feel the Arrani but at the same time you have a little bit more like power from the Malbec, you know, a little bit more mouth, a little bit more. You know what, I would be worried if you just tell me out of the blue, because we obviously know the grape Arrani. We've written a book about the region. We've tasted lots of Arrani's. Arrani's more medium body, more juicy. Malbec can have a bit more fruit, lushness, more tannin. But I'm actually surprised that I feel like it can taste some of the red raspberries, the strawberries, kind of get more of a lot of, I can feel Arrani in the glass. Yeah, definitely. And it's very, I think it has like a lot of spices and something in it, and also like something more earthy. So the character of the Arrani is very, very present in this one, I think. The Malbec is mainly, like it gives a little bit more body, a little bit more structure, and a little bit of tannins that the Arrani usually alone by itself, it doesn't have. So, but I think as it happens with the white, I think it's like a great wine to like, introduce yourself into the like Arminian type of wines. This is like, it has no oak, no nothing, it's just the fruit. So I think like it's very, very fresh, no? And very typical Arrani and typical of course, Malbec from Armenia, even though that's a little bit more exotic. But I think it's a great, great red blend. I mean, these are just bistro wines. These are not just, but these are meant to be more affordable everyday type wines, correct? Yeah, that's the idea. I mean, before this tale of two mountains, we didn't have any wines that were as affordable and as accessible as these. And our idea was to like, we want to make wines for everyone, and our idea is to make everyone able to enjoy an Arminian bottle of wine, an Arminian glass of wine. So our idea, of course, we have different types of wines and different price levels and different types of products. Even like in our portfolio, we have wines that are very different from one another. And our idea is to really show the full spectrum and the full possibilities that the Arminian lands really is able to offer. So this is one expression. And you have been expanding your portfolio a lot. You have been introducing new wines every couple of years. I'm curious to know what is next, what other new varieties you might introduce to your portfolio? Well, as I told you before, we've been really focusing in the Arminian varieties. So we have two new arenas coming. One that is going to be like, well, I don't know, for the ones that already know our portfolio on top of this, I would say. We have two blends also, a white and a red. And in that, next to that one, we're going to have an areni. So it's an areni, like it's also like pure areni, very fresh, no oak, very straightforward, but like clean areni. And then we are going to have one like reserve areni, which has a little bit of oak, a little bit of Arminian oak. So it's going to be a little bit more structured, a little bit more complex for those that want to go a little bit like to another level. So I think those are the most exciting wines that we're going to have in the future. And also we're going to have a pure Chardonnay reserve Chardonnay. Yeah, which I think it's going to be great also. Also a H in big, like big Arminian oak that we had only for us. So I think that's going to be very exciting. Somebody asked in the live chat if you were doing any wines in Charras, and I'm for like some of the producers are experimenting with an Arminian. Yeah, so we've been fermenting some of our wines, mainly areni and sirene in Charras. We've been recovering these different Charras from like our neighbors and around the towns around the Arab Valley. So by recovering these Charras that are really, really old, we've been starting to ferment in those and we're getting to really good results. We'll see. Okay. Are there people making new Charras right now? There is someone making, it's like an old person that has been making Charras for a long time. We bought some from him, but of course his production capacity is very, very small. Of course he's like an artisan. So for now we bought two from him, which are really good. So we're now tasting, we're seeing which is the best clay, which is the best way of fermenting or of using the Charras. So we'll see. It's an experiment. Sirene has a question, but I just want, before again, does Michel, does he hate, does he hate all the experimentation, wines in M4? No, of course not. No, no, no. We have a lot of fun with Michel in Armenia. Really he's like a really good advisor also when it comes to experimenting or research. So now he's really happy to do it. Okay. Question about the Armenian oak. How is Armenian oak different from French and American oak in terms of flavor? How it impacts, how it affect the wine? So I think that when it comes to Armenian oak, it's sort of like in between American and French, something like that. So it has this like herbal like aspect as the French. And, but also it's not as, maybe it's a little bit more like rougher. It's not as the French that it's usually more elegant, but it's a little bit tougher. So we found that bigger barrels are better when it comes to Armenian oak. And of course like very mild toasting. Well, obviously there's no coopers, right? There's no coopers in Armenia. They're taking the oak, but they're also coopers. Yeah, yeah, because, you know, as the brandy requires different barrels. So the ones that we are using are actually made for the brandy industry. I love the part where you touch on the point you mentioned earlier that Michel Roland is actually very open to trying different new things. I think the general misconception that a lot of people might have of him and his wine is he comes from Bordeaux. So he must come with a certain style. He must be baking. Yeah, but that's crazy. I mean, well, I don't know. People will talk and people say whatever they want, but I hope you have the opportunity to really to get to know him sometime. You will see that he's like, he's this really, really charming person and he's really wise and he knows a lot and he's not like, he's very generous with knowledge. So he's very, like very eager to help and to share whatever it is that he knows and will help in any situation. So I think he's the best. And he's also like very creative. It's not that he's only like making like with one recipe, one kind of wine. And I think that one example of that is our own wines. And we have so many different personalities because we really respect the grapes and the varieties. So we try to really like focus on that and he's really helpful with that. We have some questions about just Armenia in general. We've spent a lot of time. We spent probably, we haven't been back in a while but we spent a good three months, no, sorry, two months. Two months in Armenia in total and a couple of separate occasions. So we kind of have a vibe for what's going on. What's it like to try to reintroduce wine culture to this place that you have a long history of winemaking that was kind of lost during the Soviet times and now since the 2000s, you're trying to reintroduce this culture. Yeah, so I think that, I don't know if I understood your question but I think that it happened a little bit, like organically now. So we started making wine and the wine had a great impact in Armenia because it is really great and nobody really trusted that Armenian wine could be great. And so Armenian, like we Armenians are really proud of our products and our land and Armenian things. So when Karas came out, everyone was, and they still are very excited to drink this wine that is like a son of our land and it's like people are really proud, so I think that with this pride, it started to change the culture of wine drinking and of drinking as a whole, because people started to, especially young people, started to not drink so much like brandy or cognac or like hard liquor, but start to really get themselves into the wine world, which is amazing and it's much more, I don't know, I think it's really intriguing and it's so, like we have so many things to know and the wine culture in Armenia and the wine history is so new at some point that like we are all very curious of what will come out next and I think people are really like engaged with that. So it's great. Okay, great. I'm very fully with you on that because I think it's not just Armenia, but there's this kind of like a global interest and curiosity towards fighting out more about the history or the lesser known wine region. So it really opens up a space for countries like Armenia, really, really old ancient wine countries to establish themselves right now. Anyway, I was going to talk about Michelle Roland because I wanted to get back to, I wanted to ask you a question in line with that. People come with a lot of misconception or a certain prejudice or impression of people that's not true. So I can imagine for you as well, for you to be working in Argentina and in Yang and also bearing the family name of a very famous family, what do you think is some of the misconception people might have of you? I don't know. I really don't know. And I try not to focus on that because I don't know. It's not really nice to focus on that. And I don't know. Really, I honestly don't know. What I know is that I try to really, like I work really, really hard and my family, like what we learned since we were little is that it's important to work hard and to really like dream big and to work for those dreams. And I mean, we all work very hard and we try to make the best of whatever it is that we are managing or that we are encountering. So I don't know. I think that's the only example that I'm interested in giving or the only image that I'm interested in like giving. I don't know. I don't know. Before we let you go because you got stuff to do, I know too. A couple of big picture questions. Not just about Keras, but Armenian wine as a whole. How do you, I mean, I've seen the industry obviously where there, it's been about five years ago now. And we went back a couple of years later and already it was, there were vast improvements. What do you see going forward for the whole industry? Well, I think that what I see is a lot of interesting new wines and a lot of interest in the wine industry and of consumers and the people that are like really eager to know wines are very interested in Armenian wines. And so I think that this interest is increasing a lot and that shows in like in the market, in people that are like bloggers or a journalist or even like only consumers that want to know something new, want to know like a new region of wine and Armenia is something so exciting. Like the story, the history, the new wines are coming. Like there's so much to know about Armenia and that's people like really are really interested to like to get to know that history. So I think that in the next couple of years, there's so many things to come, like new wines, more exposure of course and that's something that we're working on. And thank you for like helping us with that. I think that people like you that are really like interested in this like new wine regions are so important for us because we get some visibility that it's not really easy to get sometimes because like now Armenia is something that people want to know but maybe a couple of years when we started like nobody was going to Armenia or nobody was visiting Armenia. So we are really grateful for that. So thank you. And so I think that new wines will come and we are doing a lot of research in Armenian varieties and in new varieties, not only the ones that we are already making wine with. So I think that there's a lot to come in the near future and I hope that people are like connected with us to try them. Do you, are you happy? Well, one last few questions. Are you happy with Keras and also Armenia wine in general with kind of the visibility, the awareness that the wines are getting around the world? Are you happy with that? Yeah, definitely. I think that like we just started, that's my feeling like as I said before, like wine requires so much time and also like to really get people to know what you're doing and to get to know your wines, that takes time. I mean, even though in the last couple of years there has been a lot of awareness, I think that there will be more in the near future and I hope so. And I think that that's one of my main goals, like to make people really get to know Armenia through our wines. I think that's very important for us. Are your wines available in Europe? Yes, yes. So we have, yeah, wines in all over Europe and also in the US and in, well, in Russia and some places of Asia. So yeah, but in Europe, you can find it all over the place. We'll get information from you because we have a lot of readers in the US from Europe. So I wish them to try to help me in wine. And anything else that you want to say about Keras? You make wine in Patagonia, Armenian wine in general for everybody listening? Yeah, I think that I hope everybody has the chance to try our wines or any Armenian wine. I think that all Armenian wines are so, so different from wines from other places of the world. And our main goal is to really like create bridges around the world now. So from Armenia and from the world to Armenia. So we want people to come and visit us, to come and really get to know the story, to come and know the place. We are lucky to share our wine and I have this feeling that like, wine is like a piece of land bottle, no? So it has the energy of the people, the energy of the place. And I hope that everyone that tastes glass of our wines really like can feel that. That's great. Thank you so much. I'm going to, I'm just gonna give a little, you know, a shout out for our channel and everything. Guys, if you want to know more about Keras, I'll put the links in the description box. We have more about Armenian wines on our pages, our book Uncorking the Caucuses. So I hope you like it. 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