 Artists need to pay attention. It's nothing personal. Some people take it personal. But really, when you look at Chris Brown, other people like that usher, you know, they use and they see the market and they play the market. Yeah, we on boss talk. One on one. One on one. Yeah, we gonna talk. I actually had a Bobo. I had he's a Leo and you on here. Yeah. And I had said that silk was hard and you said, yes, it was hard. But a few people said, you know, otherwise. And when I clipped it in, boy, listen, I had just because I wasn't seen silk right after. Yeah. I didn't know I was going to see this man. Yeah. But I said, man, I remember we were talking about the, let me get that pool that back in there. You just see the clip. Now I didn't see it. I didn't see it. I put it back in there. Man, you we was pretty much like, you know, he had, he had his moments. He got some with Jay-Z. He had to give him his flowers, man. He did what he did. And Jay-Z, he told me Jay-Z gave him that verse for free too. That's dope. But how is it though, working with people and seeing the way that people charge each other? I know D'Roll just was on here and he also said he's never paid for a feature with anyone. He just, if he needed it, he asked what even would he did? If he didn't never charge him for that remix, get big, he'd say nobody's ever charged him for a feature. Look, I ain't never paid for a feature in my life. Wow. Ever. You know what I'm saying? Ever. Not once at the time. And I never did features with anybody in the industry. I ain't ever paid for one. So that's really off respect. Like, when I do features for somebody for free is because I respect who you are and I respect your artistry. That's how I want it. I used to tell myself if I can't get an artist for free then I need to keep working. You know what I'm saying? Because I know if you're really on your shit, like the artist's gonna fuck with you. Like Jay-Z do only free verses. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But you gotta get to the level. You know what I'm saying? You gotta get to that. He ain't gonna charge you for no verse but if you get to the level to where, so if you're an artist, you wanna earn that. So that's how I always looked at it. But I do know it's a difference. Like it's one thing to get somebody on your verse. It's another thing for them to do the verse and come do the video. The video, yeah. That's a whole another thing. Cause that's a whole, so when, when it's like did he want, oh, so that was another thing. Did he did that video? Is it the work ethic you believe that they have to push up and then get that feature or should they buy into it or what's the hustle? I mean, it really ain't a hustle. It's about being hot. If you're hot, then you know, you get favor. But if you're not, Did it price cover? The favor is a turn into a price tag. You know what I'm saying? So that's just what it is. Really, it's like a major artist to see a person that's hiding in that region. Of course, they're not gonna charge me. They're gonna want that support so they can build a fan base even more stronger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it's really about. And it's crazy because you see all these things. Like I said, Silk say, Jay never charged him. Everybody stayed in the city that there was that cause it was the last day of the tour. So everybody party, having fun. Jay go back and finish the song up and send it to me. So he must have got a suit like three o'clock in the morning. I got it that morning and I made my time to edit it. You know what I'm saying? And someone, and he killed it. He was like, this is crazy. And I ain't thinking he's gonna make because it was on tour. And so he sent it and I was like, I was like, oh man, you killed it, right? I was like, how much I owe you? And he was like, nothing. And I was, I think he was going for $100,000 easily. And he was like, nah, don't worry about it. Just next time, you know, look out for me. And I was like, I did something for him later on, not music wise, but just some real, real, real, pretty sure it's just a lot of stories out there where people was like, dang, he jumped on this from Pharrell to any of those guys. When somebody's hot, they just come in the city and they do it like a trade off. Exactly. Pretty much. And that's what it is. But when you cool off, you know, get that. Yeah, get the same load. What about people who big? I've seen this too. And I only been in this a little while. I've seen people, I've heard of things like this. Artists is hot. Next thing you know, they not hot no more. But then the person that would, when they was hot, the other person had reached out to him and now that they coming down off their hotness, that person like, I'm cool. Yeah, you get, you get excluded after that roller dex. That's what it is. You know what I'm saying? So it's like artists need to pay attention. It's nothing personal. Some people take it personal. But really, when you look at Chris Brown, other people like that usher, you know, they use and they see the markets and they play the market. You know what I mean? Chris Brown grabs everybody that's hiding Dallas and he's either gonna do a show with them or they're on the tour. And he's playing the market. He's gonna play the market continuously. Drake is real precise about that too. So you got to really pay attention to the market in order to keep your alone, Jeffery. And a lot of people don't understand that dynamic of the game. That's real relationships. So if you meet a person, cause I've learned in podcasting, right? I like organic, like me and your relationship. I'll pick up the phone, call you. I know it's genuine. It's nothing, no strings attached. We just cool. We met up like this. Just some brothers who understand, hey man, okay, yeah, you did okay. And you give me a shot. I give you a shot. And we give each other a shot at friendship and relationship building. And it's important. How important is it to go in the right way? It's very important. Because if you don't go in the right way, then it don't last. That's right. You know, I've had arguments with some of the artists that I'm extremely close with. And I shared with them that if this relationship that you have is not organic, it's only monetary. So if you fail, or you don't meet that marker, then when it's all over and the dust settles, the phone numbers are gonna change. The access is gonna change. There's not gonna be no less going to studio and vibe. None of that. You know what I mean? Because you're not an asset to them anymore. So you have to be real careful how you form relationships and how you render yourself to people expecting them to render themselves the same way you're doing that. It's not gonna work that way. Wow. Yeah. I was waiting on it. No, I wanted to ask you, because the last time when you were on the show, you were talking about the release. You hadn't put out your instrumental album at that time yet. But I know it's out now. How is it going? It's going really good. And I guess I could just say this on... Boss, I'm going to work, yes, sir. My idea with that, I wanted to put it out to see how we're doing. It's doing good. So now I'm going to disclose that my idea for these instrumental albums is to give people a chance to rap on my music. So if you want to rap on those tracks, all you have to do is go to iTunes and pay for the track. It's gonna be $1.99, pay for it, show proof of payment, and you can use the track. It's non-exclusive, and that's all you have to do. I'm going to be doing this, doing two albums a month. So it'll be... Oh, that's dope. It'll be like 20 tracks a month that people get to pick from and go to iTunes. And if they want to put a record out with one of the tracks, they can do it. That's cool. I like that idea. Yeah. Well, you know, you got to understand, man. You don't understand how God is using you sometimes when you got to be in the spirit to understand. And I don't know, you know, a lot of people trip off me because I'm real spiritual. I love God. I don't try to hide it. You got to accept me like that. You can call me a hypocrite later. I don't care, but I'm gonna show that I never deny him in front of nobody. You know what I mean? And you grew up young dealing with, you know, understanding the path that your parents and everybody was on, mine ain't had any. You know, you've seen these people that really meant a lot to you. Really, you know, loving and living life for God. You know what I mean? And I look at you and I thank God for you because I look at you and you went through the loop, you know, Nipsey Hussle, he passed away. You were recording with him when he passed away. PMC, the same thing. You had the opportunity to work with him. And I'm probably missing somebody. I don't even know. Big Hulk. Big Hulk. Yeah, I was a part of him. I was the last person to be in a shooting with him before he passed away. Yeah, we on Boss Talk 101. Yeah, we gonna talk.