 Run it up, they run it back. Run it up, they run it back. Run it up, they run it back. Good Thursday morning. Welcome to Run It Back. My name is Michelle Beattle. We got Lou Williams, Rudy Gay on the end there. Chandler Parsons, we don't know where he is. And Shyam Sharaniya coming to us from Chicago. And Shyam, you had a busy day yesterday. There was stuff happening all over the place. The one big piece of news though that we were waiting on was how many games is Dreymon going to get suspended for? And the answer was five. So the reasoning behind all that is what? I think there are three things you can look at. One, I mean, it was clearly an unnecessary play. We talked about it yesterday, but I mean, that chokehold headlock, whatever you want to call it, that lasted for, I mean, several seconds. So totally unnecessary. And I think the other two factors are definitely the prior history. Everything that's gone on with Dreymon Green over his entire career. I mean, I'm sure we can pull up graphics or something about all the times he's been fined. He didn't give it technicals. He's been dejected. He's been suspended. And so this is the longest suspension of Dreymon Green's career at five games. And I always got the sense around the league office yesterday that it was going to be somewhere in this four to six game range, not anywhere with, you know, around 10 because there was no punch thrown. It didn't escalate into something that extreme. But listen, five games for Dreymon Green, then be held interviews with everyone. They held interviews with Dreymon Green, Jaden McDaniels, Clay Thompson, as well as Rudy Gaubert. And the big things from the warrior side was that they felt like Clay Thompson was also in a headlock. And that's why Dreymon Green reacted the way he did. The Timberlakes on the other side, obviously, were totally on the other side of that and said that, you know, it was unnecessary the way that Dreymon charged at him. So this is a warrior team that's not dealing with Dreymon Green sideline tonight. Stefan Curry's out as well. So not a great time for Dreymon Green to be out five games. That five game suspension is gonna cost him just under $800,000. Look at that money. Look, I get that it's warriors and you gotta have your guys back and all those. I don't remember Clay being in a headlock or choked at all. I remember his jersey got ripped. Listen, I'm gonna be honest. It should have been at least three, four guys in headlocks. Yeah. You know, when you play on teams and a guy grabs your teammate and put him in a chokehold, he's gonna be in a chokehold and then I'm gonna be in a chokehold and then we're gonna go down the line of chokeholds. So chokeholds for everyone. Chokeholds for everyone. Look, Kat, you need to be grabbing Dreymon right now. Kat needs to be in a chokehold right now. Sard needs to be grabbing Kat. And listen, we got, listen, one sound, one band. Don't allow just one guy. Holding his nose down there. Yeah, look, you got, somebody get your teammate off the floor. This is a train wreck to see, man. And I don't know if the five games is fair, but I'll be honest. This is my first time seeing somebody get choked out, you know? Really? So Dreymon is setting the standard for chokeout. Good Lord. His five games is gonna cost you about 800 grand for a chokeout. That's your first chokeout? That's my first real one. That's my first real chokeout I've seen. I think this is on point. I think, I do. I mean, he targeted him. He ran after me, he's like, look, you got my guy, I gotta do something. Now, you know, it's just still, I just feel bad for Rudy, man. I'm like, yo, that was a three to five second choke, man. You gotta bite him. At that point, you just gotta bite him. If he'd bitten him, it would be a whole another. Yeah, we are fighting at this point. Yeah, that's a fight. This is a fight. I find it interesting that we're putting levels to this. There's like a nuance, that a punch is far greater than a chokehold. But I feel like a chokehold is potentially more dangerous than a punch. I mean, I don't know who makes these charts up, but. Anybody out there that's been in the fight, they know like, when you're in the fight, it seems like, you know, it's way longer than what it is. That chokehold probably, to Rudy Gobert, felt like he was probably in it for about an hour and a half. And I think that, I think that scale comes from the old days, you know, the pistons and the bulls, and you know, when guys are really throwing punches, you didn't see a lot of guys get choked, you know, they were really throwing punches. And so I think the league is looking at it in the sense that we can't have guys out there actually throwing punches. Now, when we scuffle, guys get grabbed every once in a while, sure. But this is a, that was a legit chokehold. We call that a chicken wing. You put them in a nice little chicken wing and it costs them a pretty penny. That's, I'm just an 800,000. By the way, we went and did a little crunching of the numbers. Thank you Conrad. And in total over the course of Jemon's career, it looks like somewhere in the 2.3, 2.4 million dollars in fines over the course of this time. That's, that's. It sounds good, but he's, he's never seen that money anyway. I guess you're right. He's getting out of his check. Yeah, so it sounds good in theory that he's lost. Like if you had to write the check out. If I physically had to give you the money, I think, I think a lot of, I think a lot of behaviors would be different if you had to physically write a check out. A lot of people wouldn't write the check. That's the thing. Right. I wouldn't. Come get me. Come do it. I would love to see how much I've spent in fines over my career. Me too. So you have no idea. Yeah, I mean it probably, it would probably be like 50 grand. I didn't play with my money like that. I'm about to fight when I'm, when I can see you in the back. Smart. That's smart. I spent way more than that, man. I wish I, I wish I had that kind of thinking. Do you have any idea roundabout? I've been suspended, so. How'd you get suspended? You're like super cool. Con laid back. Not that bad. Not that bad. Not that bad. Man, that's, yeah, just money gone. By the way, the other guys, Clay, Jane, Rudy, all got fined $25,000. Does that seem good? Like nobody needed to be suspended on that end. No, that's fair. I honestly don't understand why 25. I mean, they got kicked out of the game. That's far, like for $25,000 for Clay Thompson isn't really, you know, I mean, not to sound insensitive, but you know. No, you're right. I mean, he got kicked out of the game. That's what we do it for. And I think that's bigger than the $25,000 fine. This is the big question. And I feel like I've been asking this question every season since the beginning of Draymond Green, but his on court behavior, is there any world, and they're never going to admit it, maybe years from after retirement, but is it detrimental to this team, the fact that it's always him? I'm going to go out on a limb and I'm going to say yes, at this point. You know, that team is trying to find a groove, it's still early in the season. They can't afford, they can't afford to not have him on the floor. I've mentioned it before, he's the floor general. He's the point guard of that team. He's going to be the guy that makes sure everything runs communication wise on a defensive end. He's the anchor for that team. And so they can't afford for him to be out games. This is his second dust-up this week. Yeah, I know. Yeah, you know, so. Crazy. Yeah, this is his second one of the week. And he's publicly said himself, his technical fouls probably cost him a championship years before when he missed that big game six. And so just having that in the back of his mind, having that in the back of my mind, I would say at this point it's detrimental. I don't know. I can't agree with you on this one, man. I feel like that's what got him where he is, you know, his passion, how he is. And without him, they're pretty much a mile-married team. And you can't really win championships like that, having everyone just mile-married like that. I think his tenacity. But you can't win him not playing either. I mean, this is game 11. Yeah, but like I said, he's mentioned before. He felt like he cost him that championship by having, by being over the limit in his technical fouls. And so, again, when you trying to, listen, Phoenix is on the way, Dallas is on the way, Denver is on the way, Lakers, the Clippers have figured it out. You can't really afford these type of games early on if you're the Golden State Warriors. Step is out with a knee injury. Clay is still trying to find his rhythm. Like that team has a lot, a lot of adversity right now that for a chicken wing, for him to be out five games, that's tough. I mean, we all know Dre. I don't think he runs and chokes anybody. No, don't get me wrong. I love it in June, you know? I love it. I love it, but I just think just taking ourselves out of it, taking the entertainment aspect out of it, that's gonna be a tough stretch right here for five games, especially if Steph Curry's not gonna be on the floor as well. He's gonna miss another in-season tournament game. Shoms, did you have something to chime in? Yeah, I think with Dremont Green, it's always this weird, and you guys as players know, it's like every time he goes to that edge, and this point he reaches the edge, and they have to reel him back in. They hope that he gets back on the same page. But listen, this is not gonna be the last time Dremont Green is gonna get right back to that edge. He's gonna test the limits. He's gonna try to do something or get suspended again. But that's, like Rudy said, that's kind of like the beauty of Dremont Green. That's the edge that he gives this team. But this is the guy that lives on the edge. And I don't know if he blacks out, I don't know what happens. I don't know if he just loses himself in the moment. I think if this chokehold only happened for a split second and it happened real quick, it definitely wouldn't have been five games. Maybe one, maybe you get a big fine. But the fact that he took them and dragged him three, four seconds, five seconds, like that is to me, like you should have suspended him one game for every second. I assume that's... I thought I meant, I had him down for one game. I thought it was gonna be a one game. I thought it was gonna be a slap on the hand. Yeah, I think he got tagged because of reputation on it. I mean, that should be the way, look, when you're a kid and you're being punished, the more bad stuff I do, the bigger the punishment. I get it, I get it. But it's like, if he's your teammate, you probably love him. If he's on your team, you love him. But if you, otherwise, stop. I stand by my stance, man. Rudy should have bit him. That's how you get out of that. Just cut that for the ads. Only way you can get out of a choke like that, you gotta bite him. We would have just liked to see Rudy just fight back a little bit. With so much dirt on his name. But this is my thing. I'm gonna play devil's advocate here. Let's say if Kat gets involved, let's say he throws a punch, let's say he gets him in a chokehold, then he's getting suspended. I think Kat got involved too. It's solid to do that, he tried to separate it. No, Shyam, let me cut you off, Shyam. It's some guys that need to have that on their resume. Kat is one of those guys that, he needs a punch on his resume. Rudy Gobert needs a punch on his resume to kind of get guys off of him. And that's what we're dealing with right now. And so Draymond Green, not so much. We know he bout that life. Do you think they're nervous to punch because if the punch looks weak, then we're gonna mock them for a weak punch? Just throw. Just do something. Just throw. I know I'm advocating for violence right here. That's fine, I am. Like I said, some guys need to be in a scenario where you can't feel like you can pick on me and do whatever you want to to me whenever you feel like it. And so I think those two guys are, they fit the bill for that. It's just bully in the playground. You gotta go out there and stop. You gotta fight for yourself. The biting is good though, because if this happened on the street, somebody comes up and you're gonna do whatever. You're gonna bite at the very least. You gotta bite. Amongst other things. Bite your way out of that. There was basketball being played. Look, we all kind of left the show yesterday. One About Our Day, we got good news. We're thinking, oh, the big threes finally gonna be out there. But it doesn't matter. The Suns won anyways, beating Minnesota. KD, 31-6-6, Booker, he's back. 31.5 assists and Carl Anthony Towns had 25-7. But the big news was the last minute subtraction of Bradley Beale thinking, oh, we were gonna see it. Shams, what happened? Yeah, Bradley Beale's back flared up yesterday pre-game and he was ruled out legitimately 45 minutes before the game, I'm told. And so he came in. His back was tightened up throughout the day and there was obviously optimism. They believed he was gonna be fine as the game got close. He tried to warm up and his back just flared up. And this has to be frustrating on all sides. This has now been a month-long injury. It's been a lingering back injury that Bradley Beale's had the last month or so. Obviously, it didn't matter. Devon Booker, Kevin Durant, 31 points each. Eric Gordon, Grayson Allen, 29.63s. And Booker, like, let's give him credit. He's only played three games so far, but his numbers are ridiculous. 31 points a game, nine assists, six rebounds. His splits are crazy. It's like 56% from the field, 46 from three, 100% from the free throw line. Like, him and Kevin Durant are enough for this team, I think, to weather the storm. But definitely a tough moment for the Suns yesterday, not having Bill back in line. I mean, I'm curious from Lou and Rudy's perspective, like, how do you handle this as a teammate, as a player, as a guy that's dealing with it and how concerning is having this lingering back injury for a month and really being day to day with this? No, once you're in that locker room, you deal with it. You know, nobody is... Everybody's going to get hurt at some point during the season. And so, as a player, you just hope for the best for a guy. I hope he gets healthy and get on the floor whenever he can. Yeah. I mean, back. That's something you just really can't just go out there and play with. This is one of those debilitating injuries. So, like, you know, I think he should take his time and get back, and I think it'll be more of a refreshing, you know, kind of moment when the team gets together. So, whenever that happens. What does that do to you mentally when you have an injury like this that is a lingering type injury? And you think you're going to play and then 45 minutes before you can't? It's frustrating, but we're accustomed to dealing with things day by day, situation by situation, scenario by scenario. And so, if I'm Bradley Bill and I was a 45-minute scratch right before that game, I feel really good about my opportunity to play in the next game. And so, like I said, you're taking it day by day, trying to stay positive and trying to get back on the floor. Yeah, I mean, you know Bradley Bill's excited to go out there and play with those guys, you know, get to, you know, be a part of the big three and all those things. And he has to really be hurt to not suit up with all those guys yet, so. I was bummed. Fans were probably bummed more. I was too. Yeah, right? We're going to finally see it. I was tuned in. But look, we did get Katie and Booker together, and they did have a pretty decent night with 62 points combined. I know we don't have a large sample size for them, and that's fine. But we always talk best duos in this league, Lou. If we get more of this, and hopefully we will, where are they? Like you just said, we just keep getting sample sizes. I would like to see these guys be consistently on the floor with each other. We're not sleeping on them at all. We know exactly who Devon Booker and Kevin Durant are as basketball players. And you've seen it last night, these guys were cooking, and they play well together. You know, they take turns on the offensive end. Katie has established himself years ago as a guy who tries to play the game the right way, doesn't try to take a lot of shots. That's out of character for him. Catches the ball in the right spots, plays at a great pace. Devon Booker does the same thing. You know, these are two very cerebral basketball players who play at their own pace, who plays the game the right way, are great teammates to each other. And so, are we sleeping on them as a best duo? No, we're not. But we would like to see more consistency from these guys and seeing them throughout the entire season together. On the other side of things, Rudy, it was the second night of a back-to-back, fourth game and a five game road trip from Minnesota. Of course, they had the emotional roller coaster of the battle. They call them scheduling losses. Would this qualify? 100%. You have an emotional night before. You run into, you know, arguably one of the best scorers ever, you know, and with another up-and-coming great score, you know, even though, even without Bradley Bill, they're two generational talents. So, you know, and they had good nights. So, you know, I don't know if it's as much a scheduling error or they just ran into a team that was just ready to get that W. Yeah, that's a big, because we've been waiting for Phoenix. Phoenix, I think you can safely say has not lived up to what we thought yet. I mean, obviously it's early and a lot of injuries, but yeah, I think they're gonna be hungry. Anthony Edwards, everyone's favorite. Didn't have a great night. 13 points, four of 16 shooting. He's gonna have nights like this, right? What do you learn from it? Nothing. Nothing? Get prepared for the next one. Like you said, those guys that played four to five nights traveling, schedule is on you. You're gonna have bad nights where the ball is not, isn't gonna go in the rim. And I think, collectively, this team just probably didn't play their best basketball. A lot of distractors around them didn't shoot the ball well, didn't play great. He'll shake this one off and come back strong for the next one. I like that. Moving on, as a talking head, it's mandatory I say, could this possibly be an Eastern Conference finals match-up? Celtics, sixers, Celtics beat Philly. 117, 107, they are now nine and two. You didn't have Porzingis, you didn't have Jalen Brown, but Jason Tatum, 29 points, Derek White with 27. He had 14 of those in the fourth quarter, by the way. And Embiid and Maxi both had 20 apiece. Joel Embiid admitted that the Celtics are the best team in the league afterwards. If you're a teammate, if you're a sixers fan, what do you make of that comment? A little bait and switch. He's trying to disarm his enemies. You know, that's what I- The Jerry Jones move, by the way. That's what I take from this. And on the flip side of that, listen, Joel is trying to light a fire under his team. We got to be better. You know, both teams were eight and two going into that match-up. That was a big game considering where they were in the standings. Obviously, it's still really early, but he's trying to light a fire under his team. We got to be better. We got to, in order for us to feel like we're going to be the best team in the East, we have to win match-ups like this during this juncture or the season. And so I think that was the reasoning for that. Him just trying to tell his teammates, we just got to be better. And kind of disarming Boston at the same time. Do you guys always know, for example, in this case, would everyone on the team know that he had said that? Or do you- Because I wouldn't know anything that you guys say. Yeah, so you have to tell. Yeah, everybody's their own personal business. And so when- It's not like, oh my God, I can't believe you said that. No, if it comes across, you're dead. Unless it's bad. Unless it's bad. Yeah, unless it's bad. Absolutely. Okay, I kind of love that. Al Horford got the start in place of Porzingis, had a big shot down the stretch, and then trolled Philly, a Philly's fan. He also held Embiid to a season low 20, which is kind of, I guess, the bigger story here. But we haven't talked a lot about Al Horford, and he seems to have decent nights against Embiid. Why is that? I don't know. They played together, obviously it didn't work for him there, but he's just been missing consistent for Boston, man. Ever since he's been there, with or without him being in the start. He represented for the old guys, too. Yeah, he's been able to elude the old tag. For sure. For a long time. For sure. People forget about that. People don't see the receding hairline and think anything about it. Yes, we do. We see it. What's wrong with you? But, you know, it's just one of those things. He just gets up to play against the 76ers. There's bad blood between them, and playing behind Embiid, trying to play with them when he was there, and I guess he just figured out how to play them. So, you know, sometimes you run against players that just know how to guard you. Yeah, I like that. I like the Celtics figured out some stuff with Maxi. The defense of Maxi, is that going to be an issue? Can we expect it to get better? Yeah, it'll get better. I think they'll put a system in, where they can kind of put him in scenarios where he can be successful on a defensive end, where he won't become a liability, and have an opportunity to stay on the floor. Especially during play-out time. Play-out time is really, you know, you're gonna take away a lot of options on offensive end anyway. There's not gonna be a lot of iso basketball being played. We're not gonna let you sit up there, dribble the basketball, and do what you wanna do on the playoffs. They're gonna run, they're gonna jump, take the ball out of Scorer's hands. And so, I think we'll see that coming down the stretch, but, you know, Nick Nurse will definitely find ways to put him in situations to be successful. When I play for Doc Rivers, Doc told me, listen, I don't expect you to be a lockdown defender. I expect you to be in the right positions at the right times, and to communicate with your teammates. And so, I see something similar for Maxi coming down the stretch. Nick Nurse will do the right things by him. Tatum came to the defense recently of his teammate, Derek White, because he was left off a top 100 players list. Do you think White doesn't get the amount of respect he deserves? I mean, no. Say what now? Who we talking about? Derek White. Come on, see, that's the reason right there. Yeah, see, that wasn't a good, that's not the reason. See, Derek White, he's always been a quiet player. He's not flashy, he's just a solid player. He gets it done, and he gets it done when he's supposed to. Like, at the big times, like today was a big game for him. Well, yesterday was a big game for him, because, you know, guys were out, and he had to step up, and he always does consistently. Top 100. I wanna change my, yeah, I think he's a top 100 player. Initially, I thought, Well, let's go through it. Of, like, a bigger list, but right now, currently, Right now, currently. He's without a doubt a top 100 player. Yeah, you just don't know, we're being old right now. He's a top 100 player. A lot. Man, I thought it was a different player with the new haircut, man. It's like, what are we looking at here? Right, it's a rebrand. Yeah, it's a rebrand, so yeah. The new Derek White is a top 100 player. A hundred sounds like a lot. That's a lot. But if we sat down here and started to list it out. He's like a top 30, 35. Wow. That's just a roundabout guess. You figured 24 All-Stars. Okay. Plus really good players after that. That seems, I mean, I liked it. Oh, he's right outside of All-Stars. How he's playing? Yeah, how he's playing. Okay, I'll give you that, yeah. We're gonna give him that. I don't know if we're giving them that. Sure, I mean, we agree on that. Let's do it. Let's do it. You know what? Derek White is a top 40 player. The homework for the weekend is to make this list so we can see exactly where we go. Top 50. Okay, 50, 50. Top 50. We can land on it. We've moved it already. Fair enough. We can land on that. Western Conference. We had Kings Lakers last night. Kings, this was a good one. LeBron had a triple double and the Kings still managed to win this one, 125, 110. So bonus with 29 and 16. And LeBron's line was 28, 10, and 12. We're gonna get to the Kings in a second because LeBron had his 108th triple double last night passing Jason Kidd for number five. Making history every night. It's kind of crazy. A reminder, he's 38 years old. But Rudy, you're 37, so I want you to just. I know this is coming. Well, you had to. Age shaming. I'm not age. Please, I'm a thousand years old up here. When you watch him doing what he's doing, like what do you think? What are your thoughts? It's amazing. It's amazing to see him still play at this level at the age he is. I don't think we've seen it. Well, you know, not like he plays it. We haven't seen anybody play like he does at this point in their career. You know, it just shows how dedicated he is to his body and to this game, man. It's impressive. Lou, what would you say? What machines is he? Like, what do we need to be doing? I think if we all knew that, the game would be different. You know what I mean? He's like the woman who won't tell us her secrets. She just says, I drank a lot of water. And we know that's not true, by the way. Yeah, I'm just impressed every night that he goes out. You know, he's walking history. Yeah. And I've always said this in debates about LeBron when it comes to the greatest players of all time. The only thing that's different between him and everybody else, he's had an expectation level for excellence since he was 14, 15 years old. So 20 years later, 25 years later, he's still here. He's still doing these things. A triple double last night, passing Jason Kidd. Every time he gets a rebound, every time he gets an assist, every time he scores a point, it is a new mark in history. You gotta celebrate that. You gotta too. And I heard someone say the other night that when you look at the Lakers at any given moment on the floor, the one guy who seems to always care the most is him. And I thought, you know what? The physical stuff's cool and all, but the fact that you can still get up for each and every game and give a damn is actually pretty impressive at this point. Yeah, it's presence. He has such a demanding presence when he's out on the floor. He demands respect from his teammates and he demands respect from his opponents when he goes out there and play. You know, at 38 years, I've played against some older guys and it's like, go at O-head, go at O-head. That's not the situation with LeBron. You know, he's still a very big threat to a lot of basketball teams. Triple-double last night. Like, come on, man. Yeah. The story of AD continues. It's a trend, it's a pattern. He had nine points, nine rebounds and five turnovers. After the game, he said, quote, I just played bad. We spend a lot of time talking about Anthony Davis because the expectations are big and I think that's a good thing to have. But he has these great games where he's dominant and then it's almost as if flip-flops to a mediocre game and it seems to happen like that every time. Why is he so inconsistent? I mean, that's the thing. He's allowed to have bad games. I think the fact that he plays with LeBron, he's expected to be at this level every day. We just talked about LeBron being 38 and still getting triple-doubles and we really don't see much of this from LeBron. But AD is a once-in-a-lifetime talent as well. It doesn't show us all the time, but you know, he has a different spotlight on him playing with LeBron. But you know, I agree with him. He just has to play better. I mean, for what they want out of him, he has to play better. And I see him being consistently better than this. You know, this is just a low form and that happens. And my thing is, like I just said, like I just mentioned with LeBron, it's about presence, right? When you're out on the floor, you want to install some real fear in your opponents. And sometimes AD just get lost in games where you don't really feel his presence. You don't really feel him out on the floor. And so I would just like for him to bottle that up. Like every time out, even if you're going to have a bad shooting night, you're going to do this and that, still have a major presence and have an impact on the game at some level. So Shams, you're hearing that, you know, with AD sort of being inconsistent, the big two as it is. And then Austin Reeves, trying to figure out what's going on there as well. So are the Lakers looking to maybe add a piece or move things around? I know the Zach Levine stuff's out there. Yeah, I think last night's an interesting example, a good example of why like having a third player that can score the ball at a high level, I think Daniel Russell played well last night. He's played well the last couple of games making threes. So he's coming on as a scorer right now, but they, you know, having a third guy, having a guy that can add more offensive punch. And that's why there is a level of interest in Levine from what I'm told. And I think the window for the Lakers to really make a potential move, that opens up in mid-December when all the guys that they resign in the summer, Daniel Russell, Rui Hachimura, Austin Reeves, those guys are all free, we're all free agents, brought back. They will be trade-els, we'll starting in mid-December. So there's not anything that's viable for them to do over the next several weeks. But I think once it gets to December, January, the Lakers can really get a look at how this team is. The thing about Levine though, he's in year two of a five-year, $215 million deal. So you make $40 million this year. You need multiple salaries, like two, three deals, just to add up to that. And the Lakers also just have one first-run pick that they can trade. So do you wanna use that on Zach Levine potentially? So a lot of questions for the Lakers, I think the next month or so will give them a good chance to answer that. Would you use that on getting Zach Levine here? I mean, this is on brand for the Lakers. If they're off to slow starts, that's usually a team that's very active around the trade deadline to make sure they give themselves an opportunity to make a championship. I mean, they completely changed their destiny last year. Got way better. If they feel like they have an opportunity, you do it again, they'll do it again. They'll do it again. Nick's played last night, faced Atlanta. Oh, I'm sorry, did I say, what did I say? I said Nick's. Oh, we're doing the Kings. Oh my God. That's just like I just brain farted in the middle of it. That's okay. I brain farted. Let's go. Levine makes it. Yeah, no, I wanna move on to the Knicks because I got all excited about it, but we're not even there yet. Darren Foxx is back and they won both those games. It's exactly the way one would predict, by the way. Two and three when he was out, obviously his impact is ginormous, but how important is it that he stay out there and be healthy? He sets the standard for this team by pace. Last night I watched that game. Off the tip, he gets the ball, attacks D'Angelo Russell and one off the tip. This is the very first play of the game. So he sets the tone for this basketball team with how fast he plays, how fast he gets the ball up the floor. You know, this team wants to play open. They wanna play open basketball, running up and down the floor, getting a lot of opportunities in the open court. And he's gonna be the head of the snake a lot of times for that team. And so for me, just watching as a fan last night, off the tip, I knew he was gonna have a big night. I knew that this game was gonna be a fast-paced basketball game. It's fine. Yeah, and it showed in the way he played. But I thought from the tip, he set the tone. And so that's the impact that he has for this basketball team. I like it. He's asking LeBron, why is that a foul? There's like so good moments in there. I am sorry, Sacramento. I did not mean to gloss over you. Forgive me. But now we will go to the Knicks. I did wanna get to this one as well. Playing Atlanta, they beat them. They got by 1-16, 1-14. Julius Rando with 29, 10 and eight. Jalen Brunson, they're in 24 points in 8 assists. And Bogdanovich off the bench with 20. Yeah, Bogie. That ain't bad. All right, Julius Rando had a slow start and was hearing it from the fans so early on in the season. And he's bounced back a bit with some solid games. All right, how far this team as it is with Brunson and Rando, can they go? Ah, I don't know. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I mean, Julius, he's been playing, he's, you know, he had very slow start. Let's say very slow start. That's fair. But I don't know. I don't think Dave Meshwell. Yeah. I mean, the Knicks have been trying. They've been trying to find that. There you go. Here's some controversy. You go. Keep going. Don't make me scared. They've been trying to find that player and that mix of players, but I still don't think they found it. You know, Jalen Brunson is the guy we talked about earlier that has the heart. And Julius has been known to have the heart, too. I just feel like sometimes they don't mesh out there. I feel like Julius sometimes has that AD effect where you're just like, I know you're better than whatever I'm seeing right now. And he just sort of shies back. I don't know why. Why would that happen? Yeah, I don't know. I'm on offense about this Knicks team. In a league where so many guys get moved so much, I think they're sticking to their guns with their core guys and Julius and RJ and then you add Jalen to that mix. You know, you got a pretty good core. Let these guys, let them sort it out. Let's see what happens in the next couple of years. A couple of years. That's it. Whoa, that's nobody's expectation. Are they a championship contender this year? No. So there you go. But there's no pressure. They are in New York, but there's time goes faster in New York. Time, time, yeah. I agree with both of y'all, but you have time on your hands for lack of better, for anything else. For who? Tiz? Not Tiz. Probably not Tiz. He's the only piece. But like you said, they're not a championship contending team. Right now, how they're built, they have time. That is fact. We're gonna play a game of in or out when we come back. Are the guys in on Cade Cunningham? We'll see. They run it back, yeah. Run it up. They run it back, run it back. Run it up. Run it back, yeah. Run it up. Of that, it can only mean one thing. Shoms has some info for us. We talk a lot about the Clippers, but we haven't really concentrated on the big man situation since Plumlee went out, but they made a move. Yeah, Michelle. So Mason Plumlee, we've been talking about him for the last week or so, MCL Spring, he's gonna be out up to two months. And so they've looked for side. They've looked into several bigs. And now Daniel Tice, he gets a buyout from the Pacers. And I'm told he's expected to join the Clippers on Friday after he clears waivers. And so this is a guy average 11 points, five rebounds, 50% shooting for Germany in their gold medal run in the Fieberwald Cup. So they needed size bad behind Ibiza Zubac. And I think getting Daniel Tice, obviously Lew and Rudy played against them. They can speak to his game, probably better than I can, but I think getting him in now, being able to have an athletic guy that can shoot and have at least somewhat of a presence to back up Ibiza Zubac. They've played P.J. Tucker a lot at the back of five since that trade, but they need size badly. That's not the most of their concern, but getting size was important. Like that was very subtle. It's not the most of their concerns right now. But you just yesterday said you liked the lineup the best when P.J. Tucker was in. So now they're adding a world champion. See, we can finally use that in there, guys. Daniel Tice, is he gonna get minutes? How do you see this playing out? Yeah, I mean, Mason Plumlee was playing a lot of those minutes before he went out. So I see him replacing him. That's another solid vet that gives them, gives them somebody that can stretch that floor that's gonna play defense, give them a lot of opportunities to win basketball games. So I like this move for the clips. It's a fix of something, right? We don't know. It's not the big thing. I mean, listen. Say something. Anything helps right now. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if this helps them. I mean, obviously they need size, they need options. That's what it is. Options. I think, like you said, with PJ out there, he's kind of like that firecracker that gotta go out there and just do anything. And I think they're better with him. If they're gonna go small, he's not, you know, this game, he's not necessarily a small, but or a big. We don't know. We never know what PJ is out there. It's a hybrid. Yeah, he's a hybrid, but I don't know. I mean, like we said, this doesn't help nor hurt, but they need size and they did that. Options, bodies, shams. Enjoy your weekend. We'll see you bright and early on Monday. You got some. Time to play a little in or out. Kate Cunningham missed most of last season after surgery. He had the stress fracture in his leg. He's averaging career highs and points and assists starting this season. Are you in or out on Kate as a number one? I mean, he's playing well despite the team, is it? You know, but those are growing pains. This is a very young basketball team, very experienced coach. And so I think they write this ship, you know, with some time. And like I keep saying, the NBA is very impatient with young guys and young teams now, but I'm buying that he can be the number one guy. You put some good vets around him, keep some of those young pieces. I think there's Detroit teams. They start to turn the corner very soon. Hmm. Yeah. I'm in. I think he's, you know, obviously number one pick. He's a great player. I think last year kind of stunning his growth a little bit, but, you know, he's one of those guys that he has to learn by, you know, going out there and failing. And, and, you know, obviously they're not expected to win a championship. And that helps, you know, that helps a lot. You got a new coach, a coach, a guy that's gonna, gonna demand a lot from him. And I think he's gonna, he's gonna be good in his league. I feel like zero expectations is the best time to learn. Oh man. Then you can surprise the world. Scotty Barnes, well, his second season wasn't as great as one probably would have wanted a bit of a slump. But right now career high in points, rebounds and assists. So are you in Rudy on Scotty Barnes as a cornerstone for this Raptors team? Am I in? I'm gonna say no. No, I'm not, I'm not. I mean, this is a guy that obviously the new coach and new philosophy, you know, has helped him a lot. But, you know, I mean, he's one of those guys I don't know what position he plays or what he does that well to say he's a cornerstone type of guy. I want to elaborate. Go ahead. What do you mean you want to elaborate? That's it, I'm out. Out, okay, who else? I'm out. I would like to see Scotty somewhere else where he can really thrive. Well, remember, he was the untouchable in any trade options, like that was the one piece. We learned things change very fast. Very fast. We learned things change very fast. So I would like to see him in another scenario where he can really thrive, where he can have a clean cut position on where he's gonna play, how he's gonna play. Right now I just, I don't see it, so I'm out. All right, two outs on Scotty Barnes. Ouch, that feels weird. Lou, Jonathan Kaminga has had a pretty up and down first few years. I think that's actually very safe to say. It's a lot of criticism. Warriors are trying to figure out what the plan is with him. But right now he's averaging almost 12 a game which would be a career high. Is he likely to get more playing time, obviously, with Draymond out? Are you in or out as Kaminga? I mean, I'm in. Yeah. I'm in. Any team that has Steph Curry is a title contender. And so him having an opportunity to play these minutes while Draymond is out. I would like to see some consistency from the young guy. We've seen flashes of how good he can be. We hadn't seen it consistently. He hadn't bottled it up. He hadn't figured out what he brings to the table for that basketball team. And so I'm in. I hope he starts to turn the corner. I hope, I just wanna see some consistency. Especially him being in a great organization that's been patient with his progress. So it's time to pay that forward, pay that back to that team, start playing consistently. Feels like we got flashes very early on and then just sort of they couldn't figure out what to do. Do you agree? I'm in on him, too. I mean, he's a guy that's 21 years old, just turned 21. People forget that Steph Curry is 35 years old. You know, I mean... Yeah, cause he looks like a baby. You never remember. Yeah, and he's still, please play at a high level. So it's like, eventually this organization's gonna need somebody to take that next to the next level. You think Kaminga's one of those guys that can do that? We don't know. Yeah. We don't know. Inconsistencies. Well, I mean inconsistencies, but you know, like you said, they don't have time to develop players. They're trying to win a championship every day. So if he can't feel that role, he has to sit, but you know, maybe coming up, he'll show some flashes of what he's gonna have to do. He's got at least five games to get yourself out of. Straight ahead. Alfred Shingoon is averaging 19, eight and six. I'm in. Boom! There we go. I'm a fan. There you go. He's just weird. Like, he's just a weird player, man. I like to watch him. He does some things. Like, man, like he's one right up the court. Look at this. Oh, no, not this guy. Look at this. He's so wormy. Look at that. Dang. That's a weird dunk. Alfred Shingoon. I'm a fan. Where's he from? Where's he from? Turkey, right? He's Turkish, right? He's Turkish. Look at that. Oh my. Man, y'all could have gave him another highlight. Shout out to the big dunk. Shout out to the big Turkish guy. This is my guy right there. Of course, that Collins. He didn't like that. You in, too? I'm in. Look at how it worked. Just be in. Listen, 19, eight, and six, yeah, you got to be in. Those are big numbers right there. Nothing to sniff at right there. All right, fair enough. Two inns on that one. And here we go. Greg Popovich has made Jeremy Sohan the Spurs point guard. This is an experiment that's going on down in San Antonio. And Trey Jones has been coming off the bench, who is, of course, a true point guard. Jeremy Sohan had this to say about it. There have been moments where it's like, yo, I don't want to. It's like, this is the first time I have ever played point guard in my life. And there are moments where that's very obviously, unfortunately. Are you in or out on Pop using this moment, this year, to develop Sohan? Listen, Jeremy is really, really out. So I'm going out with him. Trust the player, man. Yeah, listen, he's not for it at all. And sometimes that's where being a coach like Pop comes in. You feel like you know what's best for the basketball team, but the other fighter that is, you have to have guys to buy into it in order for it to work out and be successful for you. And so if he's not comfortable with it and his numbers are down, I'm out. Same for you. I mean, how long do you give it? She's a Spurs fan. Don't let her off the hook. You tell us. Are you in or out? I'm just wondering how long this experiment's going to be given. And we know Pop, look, Pop's stubborn. He's earned it. Are you out? That's your turn. I have not loved it so far. It has not been great. I'm far. So far out. Yeah, I'm outside looking in. I feel like if it makes Jeremy the player, if it makes the player uncomfortable, then I think it's going to take away from what brought him there in the first place. Like, why'd you draft him number nine for those reasons? And now you might kill those. Being that play for Pop, I know that's what he's trying to do, make him uncomfortable. But you know, obviously, you know, even the best coaches, man, can't make you do something you don't want to do. So he doesn't feel comfortable. I don't feel comfortable. Lou doesn't feel comfortable. We're out. This is a unanimous decision. This is unanimous. You know, this is a team that just had a big loss. And so right now, I don't know if this is the time to ruffle the feathers of the guys and trying to figure out different ways to play. This guy, he's not even open to it. I mean, look, he is doing, he and Pop have already had some big moments. He does still shoot the free throws one handed, which was a Pop, Jeremy collaboration. But yeah, the point guard thing doesn't seem to be, not yet anyways. Out. Give us some more time. Rudy Shaden Sharp averaging almost 19 in his sophomore campaign, in or out as the best prospect. Ooh, big time. Controversial on that blazer, Steve. That would give me this question. I mean, Portland is like everybody that we expect to do, I mean, they have Jeremy on the team who is obviously has been proven, but you know, he's playing pretty well. He's getting, he's having those growing pains. They're not winning a damn thing. But other than that, he's out there. He's working hard, man. I know Chauncey is trying to get the most out of him, and it looks like he's turning the page. They do have Scoot, which is, that's why I'm like, hmm. He's been hurt though, right? Yeah, Scoot has been out. I'm in on this kid. I watched him play open the night for the Clippers, and he made a fan of me. I'd be honest, I didn't know who he was, had no idea, but he made a fan of me. I looked him up after that, you know, and so I'm in on this guy being a prospect. He's been at one of the few bright spots for Coach Billups. You know, I've worked with Chauncey before. Coach Billups sounds so official. I did that on purpose. I did that on purpose to give Coach Billups his proper respects. I've worked with Chauncey before, and I've worked with Big Shot before, but to see Coach Billups, I want to really see him be successful. That's throwing me off. I'm like, you mean Chauncey? Yeah, right. Like, we talking about the same person? Yeah, I was giving them his proper due. That's so official. I'm a big fan of this kid. I'm in. Yeah, he's the kid that we wanted to see in the Slam Dunk Contest last year, but they didn't put him in the rookie game, so he was like, am I going? Makes sense. Fair enough. I want to see him start my vacation. Yeah, exactly. I want to see it, though. This guy has crazy, crazy, crazy athleticism. We would like to see that. We're taking a quick break here when we come back. That man has a family. Run it up, run it back, run it back, run it up, run it back, run it up, run it back, run it back. This is how the family and, well, we're going to start here. Gusevich, Brooke Lopez. Oh. Oh. OK. I hope his family wouldn't watch. Good for Brooke. I still see Brooke as a rookie. Yeah. It's weird. It's like a grown man. Oh, and he smiles. Yeah, always good vibes. Always good vibes for Brooke Lopez. The Lopez twins. But this wasn't cool. No, it wasn't. It's a reminder. I can also do this. Oh, god, the court. OK, SGA and on Kim Mini. Oh, did Shay do that, or was it one of the decals? I'll take a line with you, young fella. Right? Distracted bite. Yeah, well, what are you going to do? His name barely fits on the back of that jersey. You got to do something about that. Thompson on Capella. Oh, Clint. Acapella. Clint, that's a bad John, Clint. I call it Acapella, because he was by himself. Oh. Oh, god, here we go. Well, someone just got real comfortable. Come on, CC. That's a kid, too. What are you doing? Young legs. Oh, man. Oh, I do. God, that court's even worse. This court's a killer. This looks like a blood course. OK, yeah, that was pretty. Hey, Maxie, you ain't got a guard when you do stuff like that, Max. Don't worry about nothing. He's just having to. This is a fun story. This might be one of the best stories. They scored two's, you scored three's. Yeah. Tell them, that look like you out there, man. Going the other way, though. Hey, man. Going the other way, though. Back in my day. An old school chase down. Oh. Ooh, OK. Come on, get the ball. OK, the ball up. Did he not remember that this can happen? Rudy, that's going on film. He got to get that ball up. Yeah, he got to get the ball up. He would pass that, usually. He must have needed that, you know, trying to get 30. He probably was trying to get a number. Yeah, 29, trying to get 30. Yeah, you got to kick that up. He paid for it. Yeah, he did. Oh, man, brawny. Yep, still got it. Still doing it. Drew Bakes. I want brawny to just go full gray beard. Oh, my. Who is that? Come on, look at Cass' reaction right here. Chandler would be proud. Shout out to Chandler. You'll be proud, but. He will be. Oh, man. Chandler rules for the white guys doing great things. Yeah, he likes to break down the racial divide. Wow, we did. We got racial. In this climate? Yeah, in this climate, Chandler does it. Wow, that was, all right. There's a good spur right there. Around the league, we go. Thunder, Warriors, Thunder doing quite well. Dreymont suspended. We know this. Steph Curry going to miss his second straight game with the knee injury. And we got Clay Wiggins and CP3 all struggling. All that being said, what chance do you give the Warriors? They got a fighting chance. They're playing a team with a record that's very similar to theirs. They're playing at home tonight. This is a veteran basketball group that's accustomed to dealing with some guys in and out of the lineup. They got a fighting shot. Listen, when you're a pro, you always got a chance, especially at home. I'm glad you brought that up, because last year, one of the big stories was the Warriors and how much they struggled on the road, 11 and 30. So weird. And this season, it's not much better. They've started one and four. Talk to me about the difference, how big it really is on the road and at home. Because a team like this, it doesn't make sense. I don't know. I mean, they're older guys. I guess they like to be home and like their own beds and stuff like that. I don't know, but that was crazy. But they're one of those teams I could turn it on. So obviously, they're very dominant on their big three. And this would be a good night to see what Chris can do. He can be fully himself, go out there and be comfortable and also bring the youngest along. Have we relaxed on the CP3 six-man out of the year talk? I mean, have we relaxed from that? No, I don't know. Have we completely? We were heavy on it about two weeks ago. Two weeks ago. It was a long season that we fit in. It was a long, long season. Yeah, we'll see. Because now he's going to obviously not be six-man out of the year. Break time, I can't believe I'm about to say these words. We have a story about Dennis Rodman. Next. Hahaha. Run it back, yo. Run it up. Run it back, yo, yo. I'm the man, yeah, you know that. I'm Deanie. The gang is on fire. Yeah! Thanks, I'm the man. See? Danny bring out a hype video. Yeah. What have you thought about doing the show the last couple days? Has Lou helped you? Lou has not helped me at all. He's put a lot of pressure on me. I don't like him sitting right here. You know, but it's been very fun, man. You got to come back when Chandler's here, man. We have a good time. Oh, yeah. Watch Chandler's these stupid things out loud. You know, I've watched already, but to be a part of it will be different, man. I've had fun. Thank you guys for having me. No, it's been awesome. Yeah, I hope you'll come back. This has been good. Yeah, yeah. I didn't scare you off. No. Appreciate it. You can't scare me of that. Not yet. Before you go, there was a moment last night, Doc Ware was talking about one night in San Antonio, Dennis Robman babysat the kids because he had offered and Doc took him up on it. Just your initial reaction. That's all. Your initial reactions to that visual. I don't know what Doc was thinking. Man. I mean, you must be desperate. Babysitter canceled. Man. You know, Doc has some going on out there. Man, with his high level income, he could have died at anybody. Doc has some going on outside. He was leaving no matter what. Right? That was a quick move. He was leaving. I mean, I am from San Antonio. I feel like there are other babysitters that you could have found. But it's a great story. It is a great story. That's a terrible story. Who else can say that Dennis Robman babysits your kids? I might let Dennis Robman babysit mine for the sake of the story. I'll be you because I would never do that. Right, I wonder what they remember and if he, he might be a great babysitter and he might shock the world. Austin looked like he turned out just fine. Does he? I'm sure Austin had to be one of the kids, right? Well, now we got to think about it. Is Austin okay? Yeah, we got to do the math on that. But Austin looked like he did pretty okay for me. I will say they probably had a lot of fun. Yeah, they probably did all kinds of stuff they weren't supposed to do. All causing. I'm down. This has been a great visual end of the show. Ice cream for dinner. No, not at all. That's it for us. We'll be back on Monday. Oh, at least ice cream.