 Hey guys, Jeremy here. Sorry it took me so long to get around to this video. I have admittedly tried but we're in the last few weeks of our show and it's just been an absolute drainer in terms of just trying to stay awake. But I'm finally doing it. These are the comments that you guys left in the community tab page of the poll that I did for what your thoughts were of season 15. In the end the number one choice was in the middle of the road for you guys being a 4 out of 7 in terms of my rating system. If you've seen my video, link right up here. I gave it a 2.5 out of 7. Never done a 0.5 ever and I figured that this was an okay time to do so. But these are your guys' thoughts on what you thought the, sorry I'm trying to do my coupling here, on what your thoughts are of this season. And I'm just going to read out your guys' comments and you guys have got a lot of cool and interesting perspectives. I just woke up admittedly so apologies if I'm a little bit slurry but let's go and see what you guys have to say. The season as a whole definitely wasn't the greatest. I thought it could have been spread out better. Episode 19 felt rushed but after watching it a second time I enjoyed it much more. With that said, I love the series finale except for Sam's awful aging makeup, LOL. But I didn't even care about that in the moment. Sam and Dean were doing what they should have done, been doing more of recently, trying to save people and hunt things. People call Dean's death cheap or whatever but we have to think about the fact that now Chuck is gone and Jack is the new god, they don't have that plot armor anymore. Jack even said he wasn't going to be hands on. I actually thought it was appropriate death and I cried my eyes out watching the scene. Dean went out hunting how he always knew he would. Like Dean said during that scene, you don't even know when you're going to go out, it can happen at any time anywhere. And then Sam got to live the life he always wanted even if he said he didn't. I give Dab a lot of credit, he did write some absolute shit this season but I thought that he nailed the finale. It felt true to the brothers, true to the show that I love. I'm so sad to see it end but I'm happy that they gave it the ending it deserved. The show has always been about Sam and Dean and that's how it needed to end. I hope they leave it as is. Don't try to make a movie or anything, I think it's a perfect place. Sam and Dean just got to hang out in heaven forever, keep it that way. I will say that despite as this person says, all of the crap that Dab gave us over the last few years, I'm quite surprised that the ending wasn't garbage. I like the ideas of it. I feel that maybe they should have given it another go or two with the death scene. I just think that just some of the lines like Jensen goes back and forth and delivering his lines great to delivering them kind of poorly and again just how they did it. He should have been impaled. I know they're trying to cheap it out and also make it less. I feel that he should have been just impaled like he should have been at least from the front because it looks like he's just having like it like see me over here. I've been impaled. That's sort of what it felt like to me watching it but I got the concept of what they were trying to do. Some of the episodes like them meeting Garth again became my new favorite episodes of Supernatural. Supernatural has had been hit or miss recently when it came to single story episodes past season seven so it was good seeing the ones near the end. It's funny enough actually the Garth episode. I hate that episode. I love the concept of it. I like the idea of them losing their luck because certain jokes like the car no way could it actually be alive after all the time that they've driven. No way could they all have the perfect teeth and whatnot. I thought that was a good idea in theory but certain things like they couldn't pick locks anymore even though that they've been doing it all their life. They couldn't win fights anymore even though they've been training all their life. Yeah there's ideas of plot armor and whatnot but I thought that it was kind of very silly. However Garth is one of the few characters of this season who I feel got an actually good ending. He got a decent ending. He's probably one of the best endings for a character in this show in this season. Everything after season 11 is a 4 out of 10. Yeah I almost agree with you on that. The only season out of all of these that I'd be willing to maybe rewatch at least a few episodes would be season 12 because season 12 does have regarding Dean which is the last time I ever gave a Supernatural episode a 7 out of 7 in the last four years. It's a 3 out of 7 for me but that's not too bad after season 5 Supernatural episode. Man I can't wait to get to season 5. I'm like very excited when I eventually get there which might be like sometime next year maybe. I want to give it a 5 or a 6 but would feel too much and 4 is too little. Oh god I misread. Somehow I was thinking about the ranking of the last episode with the whole season. Not even a 4 3 slash 2 is what I would give it. Yep that's pretty much what I thought too. I love how the whole season was a callback to every season of the show. I wouldn't break down how to save you from all the boredom of ramblings. I know that Sam the moment Sam said in the previous season that Chuck's fear towards Jack that he was the one to defeat God. To see Dean at his lowest point of doubt and to realize who he really is is enjoyable. I love how Sam trying to find a way to stop Chuck his pains. It was refreshing to see Adam wasn't a traumatized Winchester from a terrible date after all. I love how all the cosmic players except Jack and kind of Amara couldn't defeat the Winchester's. The explanation of where the pagan gods and goddesses came from was interesting and enjoyable. Sam and Dean losing their heroic umph was hilarious and I thought Garth had a happy ending. Cassie L being the brother and father figure has really got my emotions especially at his death and Jack being politically compassionate towards all the influence God has had on his creations was touching. The writers have said that they inserted themselves into Chuck so any Andrew Dab haters can hate Chuck more and happy with his defeat if they can make him a mirror to Andrew Dab. I love that they got a happy ending for the season finale and the series finale was perfect to me. My official order from least the greatest supernatural seasons are what you've got three in the now can't agree with this list almost seven wow you're like the only person who'd like seven that much 15 is oh wow you put 15 above 11 and eight now a lot of people say eight is a good season so I'm interested to see but above five I don't know we'll see about that I gave it a four to seven probably translates to a six ten on my eye scale but I'm not sure how ours would align I feel the same about this as uh I feel about the same as I do with the seasons 10 and 12 which is where some great ideas and some solid episodes but I just think it's kind of a giant mess the season had this weird stop and go momentum which is probably due to dabs obsession with dropping storylines which you bring up a lot for instance the cliffhanger is resolved within three episodes stop then the whole another plot starts up again with sam's connection to chuck episode nine happens and chuck removes the bullet wound stop then a third plot with about their luck and they get it back stop and then jack has to kill god but god fuses with amara and everything goes to shit stop it's like dab had several ideas for the season and decided to cram them all in but instead of doing them at once he segmented them out in theory it could work but it's just leads to the season having absolutely terrible pacing and then there's some awesome episodes this season I love number eight with the introduction reintroduction of michael I found 12 with the gambling and explanation of the gods to be really cool and I absolutely love 17 and 18 even if cast deals goodbye was a bit too super opera I wish I feel like 19 more it's not awful but man it's a downgrade and underwhelming finale not only does it completely rush feel rushed and chaotic seriously there's like five episodes of television 42 minutes but it also feel does absolutely nothing with what the prior two episodes set up it couldn't have it could have been an awesome finale but instead it's just a dud I feel like they all the ideas and I like some of the episodes itself but it's just a mess overall pretty weak season and someone who liked 13 and rather enjoyed 14 despite it being a mess I think 15 is among 10 and 12 being so painfully okay and frustrating watches that's actually a pretty good way to describe my memories of 10 because what was it there was a whole demon dean thing for three episodes and then that was over then there was that whole hunt that guy who was hunting dean because of what his actions were as demon dean and that was over I'm surprised that guy never came back not even like a reference whatsoever and he was supposed to be something kind of but yeah that's been a big issue with dab is he has segments but they never go anywhere there's never like an overall connecting arc he just can kind of come up with in between episodes is why he was an in-between episode writer for so long if you rewatch it as a whole I think it's much better I'm thinking it's a pretty good season overall the last couple of episodes made it for me the filler episodes however sucked ass which is really unfortunate since they tend to be some of my favorite episodes I think this season had great ideas but poor execution at times pretty good for 15 years yeah like it wasn't a tired dumpster fire it wasn't the greatest thing admittedly but it wasn't a dumpster fire overall I like season 15 it started out somewhat good with the bullet thing and then setting up Chuck as a viable villain but then it just went into horrible boring filler territory that wasn't even one last creative filler episode like baby in season 11 it also seems like they didn't know what to do with jack he was not in the first half of the season aside from the demon possessing his meat suit the second half had him just stalling time to face chuck the season the way this season was structured was lackluster didn't have issues at the first half of the second half was basically filler with no integral plot in them they didn't do much with the big players like amara michael especially michael if it had and it had a very easy final confrontation with chuck episode three four five six eight ten eleven fourteen seventeen nineteen and twenty were episodes I found to be actually good the brothers were going to heaven was the only good ending that would have made sense it's not the best but it also is not the worst way either so while I do feel the season was as a whole was okay I'll give it some passing good because while it watched the last episode I realized that this is the last time I would hear carry on my wayward son seeing the Apollo and the brothers I will greatly miss the show it's been with me for a big chunk of my life so thank you supernatural for 15 years and thank you Jeremy too for talking about the most recent seasons in season 11 can't wait for season 4 up the 10 episodes from you which is going to take two to three years oh season 4 to 10 which is going to take you two to two to three years to do every season like just like season one yeah I'm going to try and do season why I'm going to not do them as long as season one season one I don't know why it took me so long I was the most mad at procrastination I've ever done in my life amongst other things but yeah like I see where you're coming from in terms of like not being able to see it again however like I said once I stepped back and I took the roast into glasses off being that we've been watching this so for 15 years the overall season is not that great but it definitely relied a lot on us holding on to that nostalgia and if you do hold on to that then yeah it's not the worst season but without those glasses on you can see a lot of the flaws but thank you I am looking forward to getting on to season four and yeah I don't know how long I've done the math and if I did it the way I think I'm going to do it it might take me two to three years but that's also a lot to do in two to three years so we'll see we'll see I'm giving it a two the only reason I didn't give it a one because I think season 14 is the weakest but this season was definitely a close second the lack of focus not being able to commit to any of the stories is like trying to tell inconsistent characterization bad dialogue and lack of consequences of poor choice and villain having Jack be the primary character to save the world instead of the two heroes we've been following for 15 years etc the list of problems could go on the fight the finale was half satisfying but it was built on such a terrible foundation that I don't think it could have been been more than that yeah that's kind of similar basis there like very similar some mindsets you and I there in my opinion swan song was the superior series finale had left a sense of mystery and it let your imagination wander while still having closure for what they had been building up to however this finale had a great final scene but I would have personally done things differently such as have Dean die in a pre-op penultimate episode sacrificing himself to weaken god then in the finale everyone from the series gathers around Dean's funeral and they would have had hunters wake like how like how they did in season 12 we see Sam build a life with Eileen have a son fight about hunting and they get older and then Sam gets really old dies leaving his son and old Claire and some of the other hunters and inherit the bunker and continue the legacy then Sam and Dean reunite in heaven and Dean tells him how heaven changed and who's there but before they can enjoy heaven they all know they know all that all they had to they have all the time to do that so just embrace each other and take a long ride and baby I can see how that could have worked because the idea of Dean sacrificing himself at the end of episode 19 and then going into season 20 and episode 20 and having those parallels with Dean being in heaven and Sam living in his life the only problem with that is as you saw there's not a lot they could have done with Dean in heaven they just even if COVID wasn't around maybe they could have done some things like Dean could have met up with old like all the other people who have died in this show um but that would have like the Dean part would have been hard Sam no because there's so much that could have been shown and that's something that I kind of didn't enjoy about the montage element of it I I do wish that we had seen more of Sam living out his life considering this was the thing that he wanted all the way back in season one so it's an eye it's a it's a not a bad idea but admittedly there's probably going to be some people who are going to make their own fan fiction versions of their own retcons of this ending so there's already some that have actually had some pretty good ideas I said that I think in my series in my episode 20 review comment read as a whole season 15 was okay it certainly set up from it was certainly a set up a step up from season 12 13 14 but it brings with it a lot of problems and some new problems as well some of the writing is just plain lazy and pointless but not completely terrible filler episodes feel very out of place that's not to say that there wasn't there weren't great episodes episodes four five six eight eleven and seven and seventeen were great but the filler episodes still drag the season down in terms of plot points the plot in the first three episodes felt rushed and was boring except for episode three which wasn't terrible the whole dream thing in episode four with Sam killing Dean was interesting and I wanted to see where the story would have gone but of course they dropped it the whole god well the whole god was getting rid of Sam and Dean's ability to do things was kind of interesting at first but it very quickly brought it along a lot of problems like how them not being able to pick locks even though they've been taught and practiced it at a young age like kind of undermines what it where it came from yes exactly and finally the whole plot god is a villain I was actually on board at first after Amara the most obvious vision villain main villain should have been should have been god and as a final season final season villain it would have worked unfortunately Chuck was just not very threatening or interesting and I lost all hope and they could have made him a great villain like Lucifer and Amara very early on then there's the finale which I actually enjoyed yes it was safe and kind of predictable and the budget was just not there but I don't know man I smiled wouldn't carry on my wayward son started to play when Dean saw Bobby and the final shot made me feel kind of satisfied I also wanted to address the criticism of how on why cast was on in the episode first of all I'm pretty sure that Bobby said that jack and cast both fixed heaven meaning that jack still resurrected cast the reason why I'm okay with cast not being there in the act in the episode however is because if he was there then this would make the death scene in episode 18 lose all emotion that it had might have had overall the season was better than the last three seasons but it still did not justify itself being the final season where season five and even season eight would have been a better final seasons I understand that definitely a good point about not having cast be there physically because yeah his sacrifice would have been completely in vain but then again the idea of death on the show has never existed and I actually have lost count of how many times cast has died throughout the entire show by the time when he died died died died at the end of episode 18 and I was like man actually how many times has he died so I'm going to be doing a death count for Castiel as I continue through um at least up until the end of 10 because I know he dies several times several times the season as a whole was boring and bland with no character development from the main cast even in the finale Sam and Dean oh sorry season 15 wasn't as bad as 12 or 14 but it was close the entire season felt like the writers dragging their feet towards the finale too many filler episodes of monster hunts wearing Sam and Dean we should have been dealing with the bigger threat Chuck how many episodes did we have where the boys were looking through books in the bunker saying to each other have you found anything that can stop Chuck only to decide to go out on a hunt while God was destroying entire universes before coming back to destroy their world hello what good is hunting when God is about to destroy your reality that actually pointing is very true that was a huge problem in season seven that was how they started so many episodes like have you got anything about Chuck no we got nothing about Chuck okay filler episode that was the majority of season seven so that was also evident in this one as well the storytelling was laughable plus way too many plot conveniences and contravences especially with the first couple of episodes when Sam and Dean really easily solved the problem Chuck releasing all the ghosts and demons from hell with a simple spell from a conveniently placed demon who takes over Jack's vessel there was no tension or stakes because we all know that the characters who die will just be brought back Rowena Jack Lucifer Castiel Lilith Charlie Bobby Mary Winchester and the list goes on so everyone who's died has been brought back even seeing Dean and Sam and heaven felt hollow because Jack is God now and that leaves the door open to having him bring the boys back to life to fight future threats what exactly am I supposed to take away from the finale Sam and Dean get to live happily ever after in heaven while monsters run free on earth with no replacements for the boys shouldn't there have been some passing in the torch to a new group of hunters I would have referred an ending where Sam and Dean have to make a difficult decision into the challenges the characters now that Chuck is in God what are the point of defeating Chuck and finally being free from his influence if it doesn't really play much of a factor in the story other than the sudden anticlimactic death of Dean only for him to go give up on life and abandon his brother does that mean Sam Dean's love for Sam was primarily the product of Chuck's influences there's so much potential for the characters to change and come to terms with who their characters are and how much their actions and behaviors were the result of the out of an outside influence so much lost character and story potential just to force a corny happy ending that's actually a kind of a good point there is like that very small anecdote of Sam's son having the demon the anti-possession uh tattoo on but yeah there isn't really a passing of the torch and something that also a lot of people brought up apparently is that when they killed the alpha god knows how many years ago there shouldn't be any vampires and then also they you had that whole setup with all the monsters that the monster army that evil Dean set up in season 14 and that just like went away and like many of dabs things also like I was really waiting to see heaven have some impact like Amanda tapping came back for that one episode to drop that bombshell that heaven is essentially breaking and they didn't touch on it at all until like a line of dialogue from Bobby in the finale there was a few elements that they could have worked on and then yeah kind of the idea of Sam and Dean like they didn't defeat Chuck to kind of save the world they did it for their own sakes really kind of almost in a selfish way when you look at it and there isn't any perspective on that so that's actually a good point that is something of a more of a retrospective look on that the season as a whole was boring and bland with no character development from the main cast even in the finale Sam and Dean are reunited in the end in a strangely boring version of heaven again lowering the stakes they could have just left it at Sam learning to go on with Dean but with the hope that they'll meet again but no we don't even get to see the woman he marries maybe if Sam's life after Dean had been given more than over two minutes of screen time and more than five dollars in budget the passage of time would have been more impactful Dean Dean and Cass's death scenes were boring to really cliche writing and awkward acting their fight choreography this season was the worst and honestly after 15 years why do the villains keep flinging them into walls that they when they can easily kill them also no final resolution on Chuck or any of the any of the fan favorite characters like Jodi and the girls Garth and Eileen throughout the season a lot of loopholes and questions unanswered super unsatisfying for me overall Garth got did get a good ending but yeah Jodi Jodi wow what a like if anyone got the only other person I can say that got a like a worse treatment in this season would have been Eileen because she never came back after the whole cell phone thing and and and Michael slash Adam that that was terrible and Jodi like I wanted to see Jodi so bad I love that actress she's so good she's so funny she actually reminds me a little bit of my old landlord but she was just this really pleasant character and I was very upset that we never got any finale with her and yeah like the death scenes the acting is just it was kind of odd and the flinging thing it Terminator salvation logic of these villains just keep throwing them until they eventually die fans are so biased supernatural would say Chuck had a brother and that's what season 16 will be those stupid fans would still say oh my god what great story writing the fact they beat God at all is just stupid he can literally read their minds and see the future just glad the show's over they did put themselves into a situation of at the very beginning they said yeah I'm I'm I'm omnipotent I know everything that's happening and then all of a sudden they just kind of trick God with the laziest trick of all time of like hey guess what this guy's been doing this really obvious power vacuum thing I'm gonna use it on you yeah that was a bit of a writing issue that I knew that they would run into the season started with a premise that truck is a writer and writers lie then proceeded to tell the real story with retcons abandoned canon and lore while disregarding established themes and character growth Sam and Dean normally proactive and invested sat on the bench alongside with other others waiting to be told what to do which consisted of cheap spells and oversimplified tasks instead of the thoughtful hard work elements of inappropriate lighting repetitive dialogue and melodrama and lazy exposition further undermined and exhausted the tone of the show of the story and his characters that's what happens when you drag something out for 15 years the fact that we got as much as we did was absolutely insane like I'm still kind of going over the fact that I remember every every what was it every September October for the last 10 years like hey there's another season of supernatural coming you guys got to watch it that's just been my mentality for the especially the last four seasons season 11 I thought was just like going to be like the end and then it just kind of kept going I wanted to see it to its end and I did was it worth it I maybe I wanted to this is the first show I really ever ever got into and I wanted to watch it all the way to its finale and the fact that I have I'm still kind of impressed about that anyways guys thank you for your comments really appreciated these these are all really cool and thoughtful ideas now we've got the top five best and the top five worst episodes now again I asked last time if you guys have any suggestions of poll websites I've never done this before I would like to include you guys in your thoughts otherwise I'm just going to do a poll on the community page of what I think are the top five worst episodes and then you guys will rate them because I'm not going to do the comment thing let's touch too much math thank you guys for watching the video if you did like it leave a like and if you're interested in more subscribe we will be starting season four soon maybe in either at the end of December and January but I'm going to start building up reviews for that we're almost done we're almost done with season 15 but we're almost there anyways it's all for me see you guys next time