 Welcome back to the breakfast and now we move in the conversation to echo ye the building collapse where rescue operations seem to be rounding up and of course the legacy government of course still has on record more than 40 people 44 people actually confirmed dead in that very very sad incident. We're going to be of course speaking this morning with Tunde Eson on this issue but I miss that so I'm good morning thanks for joining us let me let me first of all start there thanks for joining us the legacy government and I'm just seeing this this morning puts out a message on social media it says so it reads it's a picture with a lot of candles a very big candle light in the middle I'm not sure who that represents it says even though this darkest hour of our lives or even through this darkest hour of our lives your light still shines in our hearts as a government and a people we join your families and loved ones to mourn your sudden departure in total surrender to the will of the creator we cannot question may we all as the people receive comfort from the loving arms of our god that's from the legacy government with some candle you know lights you know around this image miss Eson I've seen reactions to that you know and you know a couple of people say you know it seems to be also very irresponsible that legacy government at this point should be thinking of criminal you know prosecutions and questions with regards whose failure led to the loss of those lives and not simply talking about the will of the creator at a time like this let's start with that do you agree with that absolutely you know we're very good at symbolism can those can be used for better things instead of lighting candles for preventable causes and that's the truth we should be talking about people to hold accountable for this preventable it's not even an accident it's almost manslaughter and that's the truth right there is that who are the people to be held accountable for this sheer negligence that led to the death of as of today 44 persons so in up of the symbolism the government should get into into it and and all the culprits responsible for this who then responsible okay let's also talk about you know the section rescue operation now some persons are also saying that the government's really not been very effective and if the government had lead up to expectation that they had more persons will probably be alive do you agree with that as well saying the kind of equipment the manpower everything is wrong let me ask you a question if the third mainland bridge collapses today what are we going to do light a million candles are we ready are we ready no we don't react until stuff happens what is the state of rescue operation equipment in Lagos state in Nigeria I say oh no we have to go to Jules Vega we have to go to first man to go and borrow equipment in order to be able to walk at all and run it government no we're not ready we're just ready to light candles that's what we do isn't it produce more candles it happens in our country over the hundred people there or candles everywhere it happened with the Lagos the got the leki garden whatever candles now well candles again so if the lake if the if the third mainland bridge collapses today what is the rescue operation in place none so we don't have the equipment but just configure for death and that's the truth light means nothing here light means absolutely nothing so what changes looking at what we change that's what I'm concerned with because obviously we do not have the equipment we don't and like I told you last time I spoke with you guys we can have this conversation again in two years time what's anybody going to do about it what's anybody going to do about it absolutely nothing we're not ready so it's taking us what a week November first day to do what to remove robbers ordinary robbers nah we're not ready all right so hold on I'm gonna bring in um um Nick Agouli uh who's also joined the conversation this morning Mr. Agouli thanks for joining us good morning Mr. Agouli can you hear me clearly uh good morning sorry for joining late again I was struggling with my network oh well glad you finally made it let's bring you in with regards the same question on me yes we can session rescue operations uh same question so I I want you've lived in you know different you know countries um I'm sure you've also gotten to see you know the mode of um operations standard operating procedures was for you know situations like this um Ikohi of course is on the ITOSA local government area uh you would expect that ITOSA should have its own fire service should have its own you know little bodies for health care for infrastructure for education everything you know um you know that that is available ITOSA also receives on the average 200 to 250 million hour monthly as local government allocations um yet when the Koi building collapsed the last Sema Diji said that they waited for equipment to arrive from mushi um and they waited for they waited for more than an hour before they could start proper session rescue operations Nika Goli what is your response to how Lagos has handled the session rescue okay thank you thank you very much um before we go to search and rescue I would like to say that as it is said prevention is better than cure we should prevent things like this from happening I mean a skyscraper crumbling on itself it goes to only one reason the engineering was got wrong that is just what it is if the engineering of that building was got right that building will stand there for the next thousands of years it's not going to have any issue there are buildings that are taller than that we have buildings skyscrapers that are almost a hundred floors that are standing elsewhere in the world so we need to have a government that works for us and that takes me to to your question which is the search and response is zero let me say zero because you see Nigeria is one country that does not even have an emergency number and I will discuss this before if you have an incident needed to provide an emergency number that cities can quickly die Nigerians have mobile phones in their hands I think as of the last count we have almost 200 million mobile lines activated in Nigeria that is a big advantage to the government that the citizens have these numbers in their hands and the simple thing that the government is expected to do very simple is to install a system be it 9 1 1 9 9 9 whatever and the telecom companies will activate this emergency response number and government we have command and control centers around the country so that once the citizens picks up their phone and dies this number immediately somebody's on the other end of the number acting them is it fire service you want is it an ambulance you want or is it police and once the citizens says oh I need a building just collapsed here the emergency response is immediately activated what that means is that the government has provided the citizens the opportunity to be able to report the happiness around them that gives government the widespread control of the country because the citizens have become effectively the watchers of the environment and they are fitting into government what is happening so that government can respond I mean you see as of today this is the 21st century in Nigeria policing for instance you have police mount roadblocks in one place that is where they are every day even criminals know that at that particular point the police are there the day they want them they go there and get them you should have a policing system where the citizens are able to report to the government through the command and control center that there's an incident happening in this location and then government deploys resources to that location and dies with it we don't have a simple thing like that an emergency condo I mean an emergency number we don't maybe have it in Nigeria so I'm also surprised that the response system is that poor because we don't have a government that is working for us let me tell you one thing when I used to live in Houston it was a day I woke up drove out from my and I was trying to join the police parked a car on the road with flashing lights and I was in my head see anything here there's no accident nobody is in trouble why the police you know blocking the road and all of that it was after a while I noticed that it was a three branch a three branch had had had cut off but was still hanging on the tree and the police had to come and block the road so that citizens don't pass under that tree and had that possibility or chance of that three branch falling on them this is government working for the people we don't have a government you know in the UK where I live you cannot drive on the roads except you have a driver's license because the government that owns the roads ensures that only those who are licensed apply this road because they want to protect citizens they want to protect the road users from people who don't know how to drive in Nigeria you can just go and get a driver's license without ever starting the ignition key in the car I have a driver's license so these are the issues we don't have a government that's working for us and government will just have to rise up to its responsibilities and work for Nigerians all right so let's bring into this on at this point what conversations do you think that we should be having at this point in time it's a very sensitive issue I mean right now we're having candles and what have you and it feels like you know rescue oppressions have actually ended however what action should government be taking at this point and what conversation should we be having it's not sensitive it's not sensitive I'm sorry when I say it's not sensitive I'm not being sensitive the conversation we're going to have in 10 years in next year nothing is going to change nothing is going to change do you know that if you look at the 2019 amendments to the urban and regional planning and development law legal state it states that any building that is over two levels that's over two-story must have a certificate of insurance this must be insured and I can tell you that nobody absolutely nobody obeys that every building that's over two-story must have a certificate of insurance I can tell you for free that it's not impossible that this trading was truly building that collapsed data of insurance cover it's not impossible and there's not even a little bit walkers there there's no manifest so we are guessing who died who didn't die what are their names no no identity no records so that's that's that speaks to the fact that humans mean nothing to us if there's nothing we're configured for them nothing there's nothing there that says that you ought to leave no everything is programmed for this and that's true and nothing is going to change because by now by now now over a good date that people should be in police nets so people should be in police net or we should have updates on on the steps we've taken by this in the investigation to bring the countries to book know when about commission or pay we don't know what went wrong look at what other Nick said he said for software program a structural approach it was bound to happen nobody's talking about the remaining two buildings are you bring it are you going to bring them that no we're talking about commission or requires we're talking about a black daily because we're talking about countries so the government knows what to do the fact criminally like people killed people this is i'm trying to negate this leading to manslaughter no nobody's talking about that and you say it's sensitive no it's not sensitive it's just it just shows who we have the people we don't like and that's the truth all right um i'm gonna let's go back to nika gulay now we're almost out of time would you expect in a sane society that uh you know the victims families because they're talking about wrapping up certain rescue but there's no confirmation that every single person who is missing has been found yet would you expect you know in a sane society that the legacy government should maybe be sued that forescore you know homes or you know the name of the company should be sued because of the negligence that we are seeing here that maybe even last summer should be sued because of the negligence that we've seen right from the day one of section rescue shouldn't this be the fears that should put government on their feet all the time certainly there has to be like uh uh my my co-panelist said there has to be consequences arising from this and the consequences have to begin from those who should have prevented this on this this incident from and they did not do their work to those who should have quickly activated an emergency response system that didn't also do their work and you have listed all the parties involved the company the developer the the company that is the developer the the government or legal state the local government everybody even the the the frame of professionals like the the architect the the the structural engineers the builders you know all of those professionals that were working on this site they should all have criminal abilities coming to their doorsteps that is the only way that is going to stop this kind of things from happening in the future and I will expect that to happen but again you know these are issues that afflict us as a country you take these issues to court and who knows in the next 10 years 20 years we're still talking about government we're still talking about this so holistically Nigeria has to be revamped because things are so wrong in different sectors a country where you cannot quickly get justice and we talk about foreign direct investment who is going to bring his money into an economy that he knows that when he has to choose and go to the judiciary the judiciary might not give him judgment during his lifetime or if they give judgment they decide judgment a country where the judiciary is being accused of corruption these are the issues it doesn't give us any good image so the families I will say the family despite the fact that the judicial system is not sharp let them test let them test the law let them come together in a class action let them not go individually they come together so that they can share the cost and all of that and they can even go on crowdfunding if they raise a can appeal for for Nigeria to support them so that they can take this case to court we will be supporting them with some money so that this thing should not happen again because like my company said if we don't do these things we'll come back here and analyze another building collapsed I'm I'm I'm honestly you know as a Nigerian and as a TV anchor there's some stories that I'm I am honestly emotionally drained of talking about because it's you know it hurts you know to continue to go you know in these circles you know circles every or the month you know and continue to see these levels of failure and incompetence you know affect lives you know it's it's a different case if it's incompetence you know that led to a flat tire or something but when it takes 40 lives it cannot just be pushed under the rug but we're out of time two days so I truly appreciate your time thank you very much for joining us Nika Goulay also we thank you for for being with us this morning looking forward speaking with you both again thank you all right this is where we this is where we anchor thank you so much for being part of the conversation and we're hoping that we will not just be about the talking but would also be about the door we hope that the Lagos state government would rise up to do the need for and justice should be meted at this point in time now and if you miss up on the conversation it's all right to catch up on facebook youtube and instagram is at plasti b africa i am messi boho to have a great morning and i am osaugi obama have a great one