 So then I pulled out last, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, welcome to the Nintendo prime podcast season two episode 38. How are we doing everyone? We're going to have a pretty jam packed show today. We'll be talking about Nintendo switch two. What a what a shocker, right? Switch two is a topic again. Who the hell picks these topics? Switch two inch. I see somebody changed the name of topic number two. But look, we got some Xbox bullshit that we're going to be talking about apparently. And then yeah, Nintendo Direct, because this is actually our first podcast since the direct happened. So I believe we have some grades to revisit it and some other things. So Xbox is the second biggest leak in history after after me after happy hour yesterday. Let's see. Hey, that was the first biggest leak. Well, technically they leaked before you. But I mean, I get it. You're saying your leak with the bigger deal. I don't understand. It was just a bigger leak. It doesn't matter who is first. It matters who's bigger. If you're Bobby, if you're not first, you're last. So I'm saying I'm bigger. I think it's a bigger leak. And I understand the two inch has to have the big leak. It is what it is. All right, guys. Welcome to the stream. We're going to go around and see what's going on. We'll be playing lately. Introduce ourselves all the jazz. Let's start off with Eric Moore with his own fancy name tag for two weeks in a row. We were just idiots. Right? I can't believe we thought of doing that. Yes. Anyways, Eric, how's it going? What have you been doing lately? You know, just living life. Yeah. Any gaming? Yeah. No, I played some tears of the kingdom over the weekend. My sister and brother-in-law went to a wedding over. Yeah. And they have the kids. So I went with them to kind of babysit if needed. And so I had a lot of nothing to do over the weekend. So I played some tears of the kingdom. I ended up going through the lightning temple and beating that. So three out of the four temples. Dude, how did you like that? Like you literally fight the boss right away at the very beginning? Yeah, it was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. That was a sick moment. Did not expect that. No, not at all. But yeah, no, it was freaking great. Then I wandered around the Gerudo area for a while and yeah, that's pretty much all I did. Wandering. You like to wander in the desert if you can't tell. I'm not going anywhere with it. No, no, we're not going anywhere with it. I'm not a joke. I promise. Okay. We have Jake Randall on the show. He does all the setups. Right. Jake, how you doing? What are you playing lately? What are you guys going on? I'm doing well. Let's see. Finish the Pokemon Scarlet Violet DLC, Teal Mask. Loved it. Completed the Pokedex for that one as well. And then I actually went back to a game I never played when it came out, which is the Link's Awakening Remake on the Switch. And I've gotten like, I'm just at the beginning still, but I've gotten like two of the instruments. I think you need seven to wake up the windfish. So that's what I'm playing lately. Hell yeah. Andres, we start, what you got going on over there besides snacking away? Yeah, I haven't had dinner yet. So I don't get to have dinner for like two, three hours. You know, snacking on some dark chocolate covered almonds. Yeah. Well, in terms of what I've been playing, I have been playing Cheers to the Kingdom actually. I'm thinking about finishing up actually getting all the shrines finally. Beyond that, I have been playing a lot of F0 and 99. And it's a good time. I haven't tried that yet. I need to. I installed it, but I haven't played it yet. Everyone keeps telling me a lot of fun. I'm like, you know, y'all make me sick. The game is free and you haven't played it. It's not even like a massive investment. It's a quick thing. Like you jump in, just give it a whirl. Jump in. Have your minds blown. Look, my mind is blown, but I don't need a game. I'll play it tonight. I'll play it. Yeah. You know what? I'll play it right now. I will play at least a single race tonight and get my ass kicked. You guys are the reason why we're not getting a new Ezreal game. Downloaded it. I know it doesn't count as a purchase. I don't know how they count. Right now. When they're doing the numbers, I'm not sure. Just downloading it really. No, but it's a good time. Honestly, like it's really good. And it does give me optimism about the future of the series. All right. Yeah. It wasn't there like a couple leaked like future modes in it possibly. They have some updates planned for the next coming weeks. Nice. Yeah. So anyways, I need to play it. I didn't play it. I'm really, really sorry. I didn't play it. It's not like I have an excuse. It's been a week. It's free, but I didn't play it. So it is what it is. Do have it downloaded. There's intent to play. I had intent to play Splatoon 3 last night too. You know, I did download Sea of Stars. I have an intent to play it, but I have not booted it up yet because I'm like, I'm going to finish tears of the kingdom in Pikmin 4 first. I haven't touched that since the first week it came out. I played a little bit and then that was the reason I started Blanks Awakening because I just wasn't in the mood for an RPG after playing so much Pokemon. Fair, fair. So I just want to clarify. When I say finished, I mean 100% excluding Koroks. That's not true Hondo. I'm going to true Hondo Pikmin 4 because that's reasonable. True Hondoing, Tears of the Kingdom is unhealthy. No offense to those who have done it. That's how I've finished it. I, too, though, Hondoed it. There's no Korok. I mean, look, here you're saying like a Hondo in, like, Arfield is unhealthy, but Tears of the Kingdom, unhealthy? To get all the Koroksies, you know, ridiculously hard that is? It's not that bad, dude. That's all out there now. We have all the information. It's just tedious. I don't want to. Well, first off, if you're looking up guides to do it, is that even, does that even count? Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you saying that you're, it's shameful to look up guides for the most boring part of the game? If you're, okay, all right. You're just looking at a map that tells you where they are. Oh, whoa, whoa. Nate, why are you even talking right now? You haven't even gotten all the shrines, bro. Bro. I just researched this. I mean, he doesn't have all the shrines. What are we talking about? Yeah, but I'm trying to. So am I. No, but you haven't played. I don't know why I'm being judged here. None of you played as your 99. So all of you should be judged. You haven't played as your 99. It's been a week. This is what happened. Everyone's just judging each other for what we're not playing. You want to be like this? That's fun. Mine's upstairs. I can't play. Jake, honestly. This is the wrong switch. This is my patch switch. Oh, whoa. I don't want to go online with that puppy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm the restart. I might still be rocking the cardboard duct tape switch over there. My switch is fine. Actually, it's been working better lately. It's kind of like a. It's like an old car. It just kind of got that street cred. You know, it's got quirks. You know, it's kind of funny. My sisters in law's car broke down this weekend when we went to the beach. A few of us. And yeah, it sucks. It's working. It's just trying to make it to the beach. No, it was on the way back. That was the problem. At least you had the whole day at the beach, though. Yeah. Yeah. But my car is older. It has more problems. Should have more problems, but it never fails. Like it's just nice. I always know it's going to turn on. Like I'm. It just it goes. What kind of car is it? It's like no quality, man. No quality. It's a Honda Civic. Oh, yeah. Oh, they're super reliable. Those will run forever till the engine blows up, man. Yes. Civics and canaries are legit. Dude, I had a 99 Honda Civic. They finally kicked the bucket two years ago and had like 450,000 miles before the engine came in. Jesus. That's that's insane. Honda Civics, man. They just fucking go. As long as you change oil and take care. Yeah, it is. My cars pay it off. So I'm like, yeah, maybe I should just not buy a new car and just drive this one until it eventually blows up. Yeah, it'll happen someday, but put some money away for the car. There you go. So you're ready for when it happens. Yeah. Well, then make sure to subscribe. To me. There you go. Well, you can subscribe to him, too, but you probably don't want me to put on a pay off. Actually, man, it's two inches to drive. Oh, yeah. All proceeds go to me. Anyways, so what? So those last weeks were kind of interesting. So I put a few more hours in the Starfield. Still not out of the damn, I guess, the tutorial. Is it a tutorial? I don't know. It feels like it's a tutorial, but then it's not. It's a very weird experience, but it's really cool. And it's like the one thing I think everyone that plays Starfield has the same experience at the beginning. So it's cool. I'm still enjoying it. It's a game that I'll probably never beat. I'm just going to be honest. I have no desire to really beat it. It's just something I play when I need it. Yeah, that is what it is. No, Jake, I know it's not a family show, but damn. Everything, everything's setting them off today. Must be that Bud Light you're drinking over there. Yep. Half a can. He's gone, baby. He's so. He's stupid. He's just the anyways. So I play a little bit of that. I did play a smidge of Tears of the Kingdom. Not too much. I'm just doing some shrine hunting right now. It's sort of like Anders, but I'm not like dedicating that let me go get them all right now. But I am, you know, searching for them actively and doing them when I find them. I was doing numbers. If I do two to three a day, I'll be done in less than a month. Yes, I have like 40 left. And that won't take too long. Yeah. Well, unless like the last one I can't find. I remember for Breath of the Wild I had, what was it? I think 119 shrines in the last one I spent. I don't know how it was. It was it was it was definitely more than one bout of playing. It was several. It was several days of exploring and wandering, going from one side of it. Like you like literally going from one corner to like. I tried to cover all my bases. And what was kind of funny is that the reason why I couldn't find it is because it was in the one place. I assumed it wouldn't that wouldn't be a shrine, which was in the middle of Hyrule Castle. There you go. It was it was the one where the dock is. Yeah. And that's why that's why I never found it until one day. I was just like I gave up and I just I saw this torch thing and I lit it and I was like, oh. Yeah. Yeah. There's a couple that are definitely really hard to find. It helps when you get the upgraded. I forgot what it's called the shrine finder. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Well, some of them are inside caves and you don't know how to get into the cave. And that's where it gets a little tricky. And you just got to like mess around. Like sometimes the entrance to where it actually is is so far away. And you got to look for any openings. So I mean it makes it is fun to like explore and then it's rewarded when you find them, but it can be a little annoying. I was messing around today. So I was behind Death Mountain and I found the Leviathan bones. And the Leviathan bones in Jesus of the King we can interact with in some way. There's something there's some sort of puzzle going on with each of them. Well, in the depths, they're also in the depths. And there's a piece of armor from previous game in every set of those bones. Interesting. So there's one pair that's actually still on the surface. So I wonder if there's another version of it. Like adults stay downstairs. They're all on both. And it's the ones in the depth that have the piece of the past game armor in them. Like tunic of the awakening or tunic of the sky. Sure. Whatever. Yeah. I was curious though, because I found like this ball that fit into the eye socket of Leviathan. And I got like the little Zelda chime for solving a puzzle. But nothing happened. So I don't know what I did. That sounds like a Korok thing, but I never did that. It sounds like a Korok thing. I was expecting like the, you know, but there was no Korok thing. It was the Zelda puzzle solve chime. Weird. But there was no side quest or any sort of notification. There was no scene showing anything unlocking. I just heard the music and I'm like, okay. What? Yes. Nicole in the chat said what it's para pad plus. That's the shrine finder. Yeah. I mean, I have the shrine finder, but is there an advanced version of it? There is. Yeah. It still doesn't like pinpoint it. I also hate the beeping. I hate it. Yeah. Well, that sucks. Well, that's, I mean, if you, when you use the depths map, you get, it tells you all the surface where like where they are all are on the surface. You just have to, it's basically figuring out if they're in a cave or not and how to get into the cave. That's really the, the hard part. Yeah. I mean, that is the one thing that's helpful in this game is all the shrines are light roots and all the light roots are shrines. So if you found one, you know where the other is. All right. Yeah. I actually didn't know that. Thanks for that. Not a little nugget of knowledge. You didn't know? No, I didn't know. And if you notice, Nate, not only that, every light root, since it's directly below is just that shrine's name, but backwards. Yeah. I knew that. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Hey, for some reason I knew that, but didn't realize that the shrine was directly above it. I don't know why. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you can just like totally make up the map and put a thing right where you found a light root where you didn't find a shrine and there you go. You ever think about how the three lavender are basically dungeons? Oh, kind of. Yeah. It's like they each have one of my favorite parts of the game. I love those. They're very cool, but in some ways. Not many dungeons. You can be pretty fast. I could argue you could beat them quicker than the main dungeon, than the main dungeons. That's why they're like many ones. I mean, I guess there's less variety to them because the three don't, there's differences between the three labyrinths, but they're obviously similar. But you have the terminals, right? It still has the terminals. There is a boss fight to each of them. And there's a fair bit of exploring because you have to explore three different sections. That's true. When you add all three together, I guess, yeah. And I do like the boss battles in them as well, in the basement or the depth, I guess. If they each had a unique boss battle, then I would have been like, yeah, they're just straight up dungeons. Like that would have been the difference for me. Yeah. So don't talk about Tears of the Kingdom like it just came out. Getting back to what I was saying. Who needs DLC? Here we go. I mean, it is DLC. All right, I just want to wait till Nate opens his mouth and then say something again. I just don't want to not let him talk. All right, go ahead. I can mute everyone. It's fine. That being said, I also played some World of Warcraft this week, the Dragonflight expansion. I'm still not level 70. But I think I hit level 67. I don't know. Oh, it's more than that. Dude, I really am liking questing in the latest expansion back. So I don't know. I'm having fun with World of Warcraft again. That's a little dangerous for me. No, because I'm never going to hardcore raid again. So I'm good. That's the dangerous thing. That way to make videos for like two days, like a week ago, because you're playing. That weekend? No, I just took a weekend off to play. Wow. No, I didn't play World of Warcraft that weekend. No, that era came over on the Sunday. And we watched Packers and other football stuff and played some Madden. I was like the entire. You don't actually have to tell me what you were doing. And then on that private life, you don't have to divulge that information. It's totally fine. But you're acting like it's information. I'm unwilling to die. I'm just I was just throwing a subtle jab. You're supposed to just take the head and move on. No, because the jab is incorrect. The subtle jab was I'm getting sucked into World of Warcraft. Oh, is that why you didn't post videos? No, not everyone works every day. I understand that you can take a day off. It's okay. I mean, you literally have to take days off. Eric, will you just please butt out? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'll shut up. No, anyway, thank you. God, anyways, it's okay. No, I can't go there. See, that's not the thing I was about to say is too personal. I got to keep that one to myself. So let's get into, I guess, our first topic. We have some awesome stuff we're talking about today. And the first one, yeah, it's Nintendo Switch 2. It is what it is. There's been lots more rumors and reports and things floating out there. It basically the floodgates are open guys. This is just stuff's going to keep happening. So we're going to keep talking about it. There's been some rumors around the specs. It's pretty much similar to what we've been hearing this whole time with the T239 and what the specs might be with the eight cores of 78, whatever, ARM stuff and 12 gigabytes of RAM and yada yada. You know, it's kind of close empowered in the Xbox Series S, which is also sort of close empowered with PlayStation 4 Pro. Is that with the LSS? Is it not with the LSS? Who the hell knows? That's really the most important question. Yeah, the most important part is if it's without it, that's insane. Yeah. And that's the thing. I even tried to get clarification from some of the developers I know who told me PlayStation 4 Pro and Power. I'm like, okay, was that with the LSS or is that with it turned off? If it's with it turned off, well, shit, I'm very happy. I'm probably happy either way to be clear, but I'm very, very happy if it's literally just raw specs near a PlayStation 4 Pro. So I guess we don't have clarity on that. Yeah, now that we're going to get clarity until a developer wants to rig NDA and just give you the exact specs of everything, and that's probably not going to happen after it's unveiled. Yep. Yeah. That's usually we get the exact specs from a dev unit about three months before launch, on average. That's what happens with PS5 and Xbox. I don't want to pour hype in a direction that may not be the truth. Lots of spec conditions. But I'm just going to say that this isn't new information. It's just me pointing on information. It's already out there just for the record. But height me up. Nate the hate did say, and I'm paraphrasing here, but that the ray tracing that was showcased during the Unreal Engine 5 Matrix demo at Gamescom was either about as good, if not better, than the PlayStation 5 version, which seems like a crazy thing to actually be happening. But if it is approaching series S level before DLSS, and then you apply the DLSS 3.5, which would be the ray tracing upscaling, then that seems very, very conceivable. But the implication of that is that Switch 2 Games will be approaching PS5 level with DLSS applied, which I don't know that seems like a... Like I guess what I'm getting at is I can see a scenario where maybe if they just focus on the ray tracing, like the ray tracing effects could be better than PS5, that's just all they focus on for the tech demo. Because tech demos aren't necessarily a very realistic... Like they don't give you the best perspective on what you're going to see games. They're showing off specific features. Right, like it's showcasing what it can do under hypothetical situations, right? Like ideal circumstances. So, you know, like for example, like we never saw, I don't know, you could argue that the Zell U tech demo, like you could argue the Breath of the Wild is more impressive, they do different things. But anyway, yeah, regardless obviously. I don't think they have a problem that you're drinking. I drink on my streams all the time. It's specifically the Bud Light. There's that old controversy around it. Oh, really? Because this is just Pepsi, so that's cool though. Yeah, yeah. I'm just clarifying. We don't go politically here, but there's a stupid controversy around it. Oh, is there? That's weird. I just got a sloth of shit from them. Just because of that, I should contact Yulia, go grab me a six pack of Bud, quick. I'll just down a quick on stream. It's cool. Do beers, beer, man. Who gives a shit? Let's go. Me and I are drinking water. Yeah, I'm drinking Coke Zero, so. It used to be cocaine and Coke back in the day. There did. So, I think everyone knows that at this point. It's literally where the name came from. No. Yeah, the Coca plant. Zero Coke. It's better. It's better. Zero Coke, no. It's cocaine and Coke. Yeah. When they made Diet Coke, it was literally a different formula. So when the technology came out that they could make regular Coke with just zero calories and zero sugar, that's what they called Coke Zero. So Coke Zero is literally just regular Coke without the different formula they made for Diet Coke when they first made Diet Coke. I watched a two hour YouTube video on Coke the other day. So anyway, with the Switch 2 stuff, it's obviously interesting because we have Paul Gale Network now coming out saying that he has some contacts, a developer who said, they're really, really excited about making games for this system in a way they never were for Switch. Okay, that's cool. We've also heard from developers things like they're really impressed by those demos. Like you brought up the ray tracing stuff. Hey, what's neat about the ray tracing thing is it is theoretically possible that it could have better ray tracing because NVIDIA's ray tracing tech is way ahead of AMDs and has been for a long time. But that's just one aspect of things. Ray tracing isn't like graphics and visuals. It's a lighting thing. So sure, you could have better ray tracing but still have worse visuals. So it all kind of balances out with what possibly could be. I think the excitement is probably that it's close enough that developers are just really happy. Like it's this mobile platform and they're stupidly happy and it's a lot easier to get their games to run on it. And I think that's probably where a lot of the excitement comes from. But what I thought was interesting with this topic because obviously I make Switch 2 videos all the time about this, a couple of angles that we could take with it. One of it's the angle that I actually put in the topic name and that is is Nintendo Switch 2 exactly what Nintendo and maybe even the video game industry needs because so far everything around this platform is positive. The only slight negative is will there be backwards compatibility? And until we know one way or another, you know, it is what it is. There's even speculation out there now that the camera rumors might be true because what did Nintendo announce today? I didn't see what. You guys didn't see what they announced today? I told you I already had a busy day. Yeah, the security. They added new security features that allow you to use like facial recognition to log in, log into your accounts. And you obviously can't do that on your Switch because there's no camera. But the thing is if there was a camera on the new one, obviously they could have facial recognition on the new system. So that could be a new security function. Again, it's just speculation that they're going to do that. But it would lend to the, hey, there's a camera on it. Rumor that's been out there. But that's the thing. Even that's a positive. Oh, it would make sense to put a camera on there. People hate having to type their damn pass versus log into the eShop. Cool. We can just use facial recognition. That would be a good thing. You can let you take a picture of your face and use it as your icon instead of like a Nintendo logo. That's a possibility too. Or a picture of any part of your body. I don't think any part. That might. What may be? They need to make it better than. They may choose to do less. Oh, no, no. They do need to make it better than threads though. Okay. So on threads it uses your Instagram profile picture or whatever, right? Well, if you are one of the paid members of their thing, which I am, in order to get your profile picture approved, you have to go and submit it through Instagram to get your profile picture approved, which is really stupid. It needs to be approved anyways. And I've been waiting on approval for two and a half months. Yeah. So my profile picture is a really old picture of me, which I pointed this out to the developers of threads because they're actually listening to people on what the complaints are. And I'm like, how about the fact that I can't change my FN profile picture? What are you talking about? I got a completely different picture than my. Do you pay for Instagram? No. That's what I just said, for paid verified business accounts. Yeah, fair enough. You have to get it manually approved. Eric, would you please pay attention? I know. Sorry. I'll shut up. I'll shut up. Fine details. I'll shut up. Yes, all of you other people don't have this as a problem. It's for business accounts, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it's dumb. It's dumb. And I'll show you why do you have a paid business account? I don't know. I should probably cancel at this point because I don't really use threads anyways. I mean, I shouldn't say that. I still use it once in a while. I log in every day, but it's missing so much functionality that I don't want to be on Twitter to be honest, but just missing functionality does what it is. That being said, getting back onto the topic here, what's interesting is that there is, I don't want to say it's an overall negative sentiment to everything else going on in the industry because obviously it's not. Boulder's Gate 3, massively positive sentiment with that game. Starfields had a pretty positive reception as well. So gaming-wise, a lot of individual games are doing well. A lot of hype for Spider-Man 2, a lot of hype for obviously the Mario game. So there's a lot of positives out there, but there also tends to be a lot of negatives happening. Obviously with Xbox, look, we're going to get into the second topic. Xbox is just someone at their company messed up and uploaded a bunch of files. And so they're having a bad time, but they're not just having a bad time because some future stuff got revealed and there was a little, well, we're going to buy a Nintendo sort of thing. That's fine. We'll talk about that. But they also had some scary stuff come out. Like, hey. Unnormally all digital. Yeah. No. That's not the scary part of it. That is a little scary. That is a little scary. But the Phil Spencer thing that came out where he's like, hey, even if we hit 100 million game pass subscribers by 2027, Microsoft might shut us down anyways. And it's like, what? That's like a thing that came out today from these documents. It's like Phil Spencer. I didn't even see that. There's actually a threat for Microsoft to shut down the gaming division, which probably means they'll sell it off. But it was still one of those like revelation moments that like everyone thinks 100 million game pass subscribers would be really great, except Phil Spencer just told the people. Why does every major video game company CEO have two first names? Why is that a thing? You think Furukawa is a first name? For America. Oh, I don't know. I don't pay attention enough. Jim Ryan, Phil Spencer, Doug Bowser. Come on. Bowser's a first name. You know it. You should know better than anyone. I think it's just a solo name. I don't know if it's a first or a second. It's like here. Here we go. Here we go. Anyways, the reason that I sort of named it this way with the switch to sort of what the industry needs is, I'm just talking from like an excitement perspective, because obviously Xbox has that negative thing come out today and then people are worrying about, oh, they're going all digital. And oh, like we're excited about this future roadmap of games, but then also some of the dates aren't correct. So how much can we really believe this? And there's the Activision Blizzard stuff. And that's still not locked down, although we might have a positive update, at least for Microsoft's side of things next week. For PlayStation fans, I think it's all negative. And then obviously PlayStation 5 is actually selling really, really well on the number one seller month over month in most of the world besides Japan. And they're hitting their middle generation stride, right? And people are really looking forward to Spider-Man 2, but they haven't really been super consistent in exciting their fans. A lot of their state of plays, as an example, kind of leave a sour taste in some people's mouths. Maybe it's because they expect them to be something that they're not. I think the state of plays have been wildly consistent with what they are, but I guess some people want them to be something different. Are we going to address that and then intend to direct it later in the show? Well, the direct we're talking about later, yeah. We could bring it up in this conversation in terms of set. You know what? No, let's save that for the Nintendo Direct. Yeah, just to compare the state of play because it was the same day and stuff. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We can do that during the Direct section. Absolutely, yep. And they did the same thing last year, too. They were on the same day in September. Maybe it's going to be a habit. Maybe it's going to be on the same day every year from November to November. Who knows? A little gamer Christmas in the middle of September. I like how it is fun. Anyways, but there doesn't seem to be as much buzz around PlayStation 5 as there once was, unless you pay really close attention to PlayStation 5 specific channels. If you go to general gaming outlets, it's just sort of like, we talk about Spider-Man 2 and then that's about it, which, by the way, is sort of true for Switch this year for a while. It was Tears of the Kingdom where we don't talk about Switch. So Switch even had that sort of lull happen. So I don't think that this is necessarily that there's anything wholly negative with any of the three major companies, but I am noticing that there doesn't seem to be a lot of excitement when people talk about the companies until Switch 2 stuff comes out of people's mouths. And they go, can you imagine if the rumors are right? And that's pretty much where it sits. So what are you guys thinking about this idea that maybe the industry could use a little jolt of Nintendo kicking ass? Or am I just quiet as shit and I should just go jumping this wire behind me? No, no, no. I mean, absolutely. Like, who wouldn't want that? Like, I think the Switch 2 is going to be awesome. I think we've talked about this before. You've talked about this many times. I know you've talked about this, Andres, but Nintendo really bad at transitions between a successful console and the next console. They have always are like hit, miss, hit, miss. And they are hyper aware of that. And I think that they have prepared for this moment, basically during the entire Switches lifecycle. And I think they're ready. I think they have a solid game plan. And I think they're ready to really blow us away. And I'm excited for it. I have, you know, a lot of times with the Nintendo stuff and when they reboot certain franchises, you know, I'll be slightly nervous, but I'm not nervous about this at all. Like, I just feel really good about it. I'm excited. I think we're all going to like what Nintendo does. And it might not be perfect. And we're going to talk about later, whether they're going to actually make Metroid Prime 4 a launch title or not. But whatever they choose, even if it's something that in our heads, we might not think is ideal, like I do trust them on this. I think they're going to do a good job. And they've strengthened all the partnerships they have that they that basically died during the Wii U area. They've brought them back and they've strengthened them and they've got new ones like Activision X, I guess, Microsoft heading into the Switch 2. So I'm really excited. And I think we definitely need this because ever since the series X and the PS5 came out, everyone's been like, where's the games? It feels like it doesn't feel like a new generation at all. I was trying like, I don't want to talk negative about PS5, but it is kind of like. But you're absolutely right. It's not like we're not really in a new generation. And I think Nintendo is going to do this right where it's going to be like, even if it's backwards compatible, like we don't know if it is, but it's going to feel like a new generation. It's going to feel like a clear point. And I think like everyone in general is just craving that, like gamers. Yeah, I mean, like they like they'll be, as an example, Nintendo is probably going to do what they always do. There's going to be probably a day one launch exclusive. And like in a Sony, Sony technically did that, but it was a, that wasn't their biggest game at launch. That was a remake. Yeah. It was a remake. And their exclusive at launch was really Miles Morales that was CrossGen. And I don't, by the way, CrossGen can work. It worked for Switch, right? But we quickly got exclusive after exclusive after that. So it was basically an exclusive because we was dead. Well, yeah. I mean, there's that as well. But, but the point is that technically it was on another platform. I don't think like if a 3D Mario is a launch game, it's on Switch at all. I think it's just straight up going to be on there. Nintendo has always had this thing where they believe that games sell systems. So they've heavily believed in exclusive, exclusive, exclusive. And I don't think they're going to go. I'm going to, I'm going to butt in here. Right. I'm not saying I disagree with you. I wholeheartedly agree 3D Mario is going to be exclusive and I do agree with the philosophy. But I just want to note that while Nintendo may have been that way in the past, that doesn't mean that's how they're going to be in the future because philosophies change. They need to adapt things of that sort, right? So a lot of people have considered that maybe Nintendo may adopt something more of how PlayStation has handled things. I mean, and you've suggested that until it may adopt a few different PlayStation strategies. I'm not saying that that means that there's going to be less exclusives at launch. I'm simply playing Devil's Advocate because we don't know that for a fact. Yeah. I still think 3D Mario is going to be exclusive. One thing I've been very consistent about with the PlayStation strategy is it was all about releasing big games on Switch all the way up till the system came out. I don't really believe Nintendo is going to go with tons and tons of cross-gen titles. I think, I think what happened there's a negative side to that. And that's what we're seeing now where people think we're not really even in the next gen even though we're three years into the system being out PlayStation 5. And it still doesn't really feel like we've even began next generation. You're three years in. You still don't feel that way? No, because you can just play everything on PS4 for the most part. So I kind of think that that was the one part of the strategy Nintendo wouldn't do because they do believe that exclusives matter. And Nintendo has one advantage Sony doesn't. And that is just how ever green their damn games are. They don't need a big install base at launch to release a game that's going to sell for five years. Like it's Nintendo is crazy. That's a good point. That's a good point. Like they don't have to, they don't have to worry about losing out on potential sales. Yeah, like launching with 3D Mario. Yeah, it could still sell 30 million if the system keeps. Like they're not worried about it. And you know, we kind of talked about this last week and maybe this is me doing a minor victory lap. I was wrong on some things too. So I don't want to be super cocky here. But I was arguing that the kind of line that we may see next year in the first half, it's going to be consistent games. But maybe none of the games are going to be like the biggest titles. But it's going to be quality stuff. Right. And we look at how Nintendo sort of has lined up the first quarter of next year. It's a it's the another code remaster collection. And then we have in February a Game Boy Advance remake. And in March, we have a brand new original Peach Game. Right. And that that's probably like the biggest title. And then they announced two more games. In terms of new titles, for sure. Yeah. Well, well, okay. They announced one more game, but they gave us a title confirmation for Luigi's Mansion 2 HD. Right. That's coming out summer. And then they revealed Paper Mario, the origami king, which by the way, we're going to have a talk about the Star Wars. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Yes. But but but it was a Freudian slip because what I was trying to get at is that thousand year door is a remake. Some people have been calling this a remaster. It is a remake. It is made with the Origami King engine. Like this is like an ambitious remake. And what's interesting about it is that we kind of talked about how what was the Demon's Souls that they PlayStation 5 launched with the Demon's Souls remake. The Origami King remake, you could argue I can keep saying Origami King. Thousand year door. Yeah. Let's not insult the Origami King is a good game. No, no, no, no. Let me let me let me. I love Origami King. Okay. So it's actually pretty good game. But I fully acknowledge that thousand year door is the most is the universally accepted like best Paper Mario game in the series. Right. And I'm looking for the best playing that on Switch. But what I'm simply getting. Yeah. It's one of the greatest games I've ever made. And it's going to be really great. And it's actually even more exciting when you consider that it's not just a remaster. This is a full on full blown remake. Like complete new art style. It's it's running on the same engine as Origami King. But like they're they're they're putting all this out. Just new animations is all this stuff. And I'm simply what I'm getting at here is that's another high quality game they have coming out next year. And when you consider. I'm a new game again. Not technically not like technically not a new game. That's what I mean. There's a lot that I'm excited for. But like Princess Peach is by far the best. Like brand new. Like because it's not I don't want to put it down by saying it's not new when it is a remake. Like that a lot of effort is put into that. But that's just the distinction that I'm trying to make. Yeah. Yeah. I mean we have five games confirmed that are being published by Nintendo for next year. And 80 percent of them are either a remake or remaster to some some effect. Regardless though. Like they have a lineup. Right. Like and I think we have plenty of reason to believe that. We're going to pretty much have a game almost every single month. If not every single month. Going into switch to like if we all believe switch just coming out sometime next year. Like I think Nintendo has done a good job of at least assuring us that there's not going to be a drought. As there has been in prior generations. It may not be the triple A Metroid Prime 4 or 3D open world Donkey Kong game to come out right before switch to. But there are still games to play and enjoy. Throughout the year. Yeah. And and well I don't love that. One thing I do like about it is it will make it feel again what I was just talking about. Like a it's a new generation when the switch to comes. When we finally start getting like actual brand new games. So you're right. It'll keep it going so there's not a drought. But at the same time there'll be a clear division. When those next gen games start coming out. And I think Nintendo really has the sweet spot on the other consoles in terms of when they release their consoles. I think the fact that the Wii U failed and they had to release the switch a few years in. Has really put them on the right path in terms of when their new consoles come out to make it actually next gen. Also to note I was doing this from research on another video that I did. It's interesting that people always talk about like oh you know Nintendo usually releases their platforms you know holiday season holiday season. And I sat there actually did the research. They haven't released like a November console that often. September is actually the most popular month that they launch hardware. Like it's not even close. And then March is like the second. So even like the launching switch in March it wasn't the first time they've launched two other platforms in March. So it's interesting like looking at I mean again looking at Nintendo's history to predict what they're going to do in the future. Are you counting revisions. No brand new releases. So Game Boy DS 3DS. Am I counting revision releases. I mean you could you could count revision releases if people want. But I was just looking at actual launches of each new iteration like not new it. Well each new generation handheld and home console. It turned out that it was September had like three or four and there was like two or three in March. I think two in November and the two in November were like we and DS. Maybe no maybe wasn't DS as we in something else was it was in November. But it was really interesting just seeing that dude they weren't watching their systems in November. Like people assume that Nintendo always does. It's actually not that common. What's up. I'm just looking at the dates for home consoles. November has been the most popular month for handhelds. Well we came out November we came out November. Gamecube came out November. Nintendo 64 came out June. SNES came out November. Famicom came out July. Now well the Gamecube and the Wii U sold really well. So I think that's a good sign for November. Well NES came out July. Not I should clarify because there was different. I can understand they probably just dismissed the system that didn't sell very well. So it's okay. No I know I said that as hope for March. Right. Anyways it's just interesting thinking about what they're going to do with this system. And as I said like looking at Nintendo's past to determine their future is really difficult when it's a whole new regime sort of running things at the moment. I guess not a whole new but at least a new president making those decisions. We'll get into the Nintendo Direct a little later but it does it does sort of feel like you know they do have a solid slate of at least releases that can hopefully keep people interested. Like the biggest thing is this is what Nintendo's had their biggest problem with transitions. It's not even just making sure the next system appeals. That's one thing. Like having an appealing system people actually want to buy. And having a line up of games in the first six months of people really want to buy the system to play because ultimately people aren't going to buy a system if there's nothing to play. Then again I'm going to leave it alone because for some reason people buy other systems and just play games they already have. You know what for some reason they just don't do that with Nintendo typically. Can I just can I just say real quick that now that I said that if they do have that actual 3D Donkey Kong game for Switch 2 I hope this first special edition is one with banana joycons. Dude that'd be cool. Here we go. I would like to hold the bananas. You can peel them. Dude the way the prototype looks they have like those like casings on them. Did you know what I'm talking about? Yes I know what you're talking about. That would be amazing. I was just joking but... Are you joking me or you're stroking me? I'm definitely not stroking you. I can confirm. So no that's the one thing it does look like Nintendo is at least attempting to fix is when they transition they've always like just stopped releasing games. They'll be like maybe one and not even just remixes and remasters like just one like here's a game and this time around they're like no we're going to have a more consistent cadence of releases to keep not only us selling games and making money while we're waiting to release a new platform it also keeps engaging the audience they already built on Switch and that was one thing that every time they transition they sort of stop engaging that audience and just say oh just wait six months for the next thing and it's like but but then people lose interest because there's six months and then they couldn't get it at launch and they're frustrated and couldn't get their pre-order in and then they're like oh do I really need this thing anyways and then yeah it can really hurt and even lessen that demand now there's obviously more that goes into it than just letting that audience just sit there and not have anything to play. You also have their their subscribers right all the nso users like you want to keep people and that's a new thing for that like it's not oh god damn lights. Do you think Switch 2 launches with Gamecube on nso? No. No I don't think. It's tough because they they want to resell a lot of those games like what would there even be? Oh I mean I think it's what it's what it already is they're using all the Gamecube games as I have an idea. When they advertise the system they will say that there will be exclusive platforms on Switch 2 that aren't on Switch and and there won't be their own at first like maybe they had Gamecube someday. If they did DS or 3DS that alone would be. They could do DS or 3DS but I think they're going to do something else. Dream. Yeah Dreamcast. Cast. Partnered with Sega and got Dreamcast to be. Casual gamers won't care about Dreamcast. It's not about the casuals at launch. Oh you know you know you know they say. And about the casuals at launch. You know they'll be another really cool surprise platform. Xbox OD. That okay. Look look we can we can hope. Hey listen man those guys just gotta smooth out. Smooth out. He's got nothing to smooth out. Nothing he does even affects Nintendo. It's either. I don't I think they probably don't care. I think it's pretty pretty much a nothing burger for them. Nintendo knows everyone wants to buy them. Well and literally we'll get to it later but literally like he had he in the email he literally said I met with Nintendo to talk about buying them and then they really go well so. Wait wait here's a here's a kind of left field hypothetical for you guys. Do you think given the the number of dormant Microsoft own franchises at this point and the fact that I mean especially after the late emails Phil Spencer obviously wants in and a good relationship with Nintendo do you think they would ever sign off on making banjo 3e as a switch switch to exclusive. So actually no one would buy it on Xbox that came out on Xbox and so there is supposedly a banjo because of your project in the works. What that is yeah there is. We don't know. Whoa. I'm breaking me. No it's been a it's been a thing. Where is this been a thing. I'll have to find a source on it but it's been a thing. I'm surprised we didn't see it in the leak leak if it's. Well I would have made this entire podcast about that thing if I knew. It's not new it's not new information. I don't care. It's not new information. I'm not saying it's coming to switch. It may even be canceled right but supposedly they've been working on a banjo. Microsoft's been working on something Banjo-Kazooie. But what's interesting is that this relationship between Nintendo and Microsoft is I mean they have a good relationship. They you know there are Microsoft published games coming out on Nintendo. I mean we were talking about this this whole call of duty thing like Nintendo and Microsoft work really well together. And if there's anything that I actually take away from this email from Phil Spencer that's actually relevant just my personal point of view. I don't care about this Phil Spencer email about them buying Nintendo. Like it's of course they want to. It doesn't mean anything. But he does talk about how they have a Nintendo and Microsoft have a strong relationship and he was talking about how if there's any company in the West that can work closely with Nintendo it's them. I believe that. So that dream-like scenario where Nintendo and Microsoft maybe do have some little collaboration with Banjo-Kazooie it's not as much of a stretch as you might think. I'm not saying it's for sure happening. The Banjo-Kazooie project may never may never even materialize. But supposedly there is a project in the works and then Nintendo and Microsoft work really well together. And yes Banjo-Kazooie would have felt better on the switch. That's like a fact. I could see it on switch rejected. What? If they did bring one out I could see a timed exclusive. I don't know about that. I don't think it would be. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if they necessarily want to not put it on like gay guys or something. But eventually I think it would just come up for both. I don't think it would come up for it. I don't see a scenario where it ever comes out first on a Nintendo system. But I think best case scenario comes out at the same time. That's like a bad that's why that's just my opinion. Yeah. No. Yeah. It's interesting. I guess what I'm what I'm getting out of these. Someone asked in the chat earlier what my dream Nintendo switch to game would be. And as far fetched as it is if Microsoft developed a Banjo 3 for switch that that might be it. I mean I would take a Banjo remake. But yeah Banjo 3 would be sick. If they did one in two and they added the stuff that they cut out of the original one on the N64. You know how it was supposed to interact with two. And there was all that stuff that was like if they like did it with everything in it. That would be really cool. I'm all for it. Yeah. Yeah. So Eric what were you going to say. Oh no if a lot of these leaks and rumors are true you know what I'm what I'm hearing is that the Nintendo switch is going to get a Nintendo switch effect. You know you look at Legend of Zelda the two best selling games of that series is on there. You know Mario the best selling Mario game is on the switch. So we're looking like you know we're making everything bigger and better. So this new switch is going to is going to be switch effect and it's going to be an even better switch and just blow people's minds. And then which will then amplify the switch effect. It's just the switch effect is going to take over the world. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So this might be a nice time to transition to that next topic about that Xbox. Shit. There's a bunch of space. Look if you haven't seen any of the Xbox news out there even as Nintendo fans and you probably just haven't been paying attention. Don't worry we got the Nintendo Direct coming up next. So we start to switch to going to Xbox and turn this all back around and with the Nintendo Direct stuff. But what's interesting about the Xbox situation is one that one of their own employees leaked the files accidentally by the way. It wasn't like they were being mad and like no they uploaded it to the wrong place on the government website which led to them becoming public. So there's that. There's that. Yeah. They probably lost their job. I have no idea. That's a pretty bad thing because they leaked a lot of stuff. Obviously you know we can just start with what Anders really had us out that email about Phil Spencer wanting to buy Nintendo. I don't think it's that big a news in terms of like he wanted to buy Nintendo. So how old was that email by the way? I was pretty old. 24. 24. 24. Yeah. Yeah. So what's interesting, there's two parts of it that's interesting. One people wondering if he was colluding a little bit with that one company to buy shares of Nintendo to sort of pressure them. The funny thing is that company almost owns no more shares of them anymore. They practically sold them all off. So it is what it is. It ended up being a big nothing burger anyways. But you just talked about the possibility that maybe he could get on the phone with them and be like, Hey, buy some more shares and pressure Nintendo. And then he's then obviously bringing up the whole hostile takeover thing. He never was going to do it. But the reason he didn't want to do it is because he knew it would be perceived really bad. Most hostile takeovers are not perceived very well by the public. This one in particular, Nintendo fans my boycott just because it was a hostile takeover. And then the only really other interesting thing I thought and all of it was that he said that they were playing the long game. It would be a career move, which yeah, sure it would be. But that when he said Nintendo doesn't realize it yet, but their future isn't on their own hardware. And that's a line that I think got people because I don't know if Microsoft has realized it yet, but their future isn't on their own hardware as they can't seem to sell the damn shit. Yeah, that's a mass comment. A lack of self-awareness like in 2020, by the way, when Nintendo is the only company that's innovating in terms of hardware, when PCs are starting to take over more and more, and all these consoles aren't differentiating themselves other than they work on the TV better than working on a monitor, Nintendo is the only one that's doing something that that like is going to make their hardware last past that. They're the only ones. And Nintendo is on their own. It did have some cool connect stuff that didn't pan out, but sure it's not like Microsoft hasn't tried. Yeah, the idea from that part is pretty impressive too. Well, they could have the different connect from that. Here's the thing. Yeah, but the controller accessibility options, like I absolutely agree, Nintendo is the most innovative of the three, but I'm just I'm defending Microsoft a little in the saying that they do innovate to some extent. They have made like that. That's cool. Phil Spencer is not going to sleep with you. No, no. So I'm not interested. It wasn't even for me. Okay, it's it's very bad. No, okay. Hold on. Hold on. I'll say that's I the email and the way it's written, it sounds kind of creepy. Like it sounds kind of like a dude who thinks he's going to get a girl because he's just like a trust one baby and thinks he gets everything he wants, but doesn't actually know what's going on and can get kind of creepy. That's kind of the vibe I got from Phil Spencer. So thank you for mentioning that he may want to sleep with me because that makes me even more uncomfortable. So what no, what I what I thought is interesting is it when he made that comment about like their future isn't in hardware or on their own hardware. I kept thinking like it's not really about the innovations even. It's that how many hundred million unit consoles have you sold? Microsoft. Oh, no. Oh, well, Nintendo's on their third. And like the last 15 years. Can we just like be honest for a moment? Nintendo is massively successful. Yeah. Sometimes their systems bomb, but they always come back. Microsoft has had one generation where they sold 80 million. And even then third, they still finish third. So Microsoft has a huge problem consistently selling hardware. At least Nintendo, like when they have a down gen, they bounce back. So for me, it was always sort of a interesting perspective to say their future is another on hardware, especially also when they're the only ones doing dedicated handheld hardware that is a massive market that they just dominate and control. What's up, Anders permission to insult one of your viewers? Well, we don't insult others, but they insulted me. Well, then you just tell me permission to defend himself. That that's what I'm doing. Oh, well, we'll read the comments and then I'll talk. All right. Okay. Okay. Jet Moses, Microsoft doesn't innovate. Laugh emoji, laugh emoji, left emoji. This dude's a clown. So you're wrong because literally I was talking about the Xbox controller offering more accessibility options like they do more for disabled gamers than Nintendo and Sony do. So you saying that I'm a clown for saying that just kind of makes you an ass. So there you go. Fair enough. Okay. Well, you just said that about Moses, bro. I'm just, I try not to attack people. So I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna leave it on. They're allowed to attack me. I don't care. I'm a dumbass. We've already established that I'm a dumbass and we not see what happened on the last podcast when Andres was busy owning my ass about Metroid. And I just take this opportunity to ask something that I've been thinking about this entire time. This is a problem, but sure. Do you think Link's hand that gets like taken over, like when he touches his own body, it feels like someone else? All right, I'm sorry. Stranger. The stranger. Yeah. All right. Let's move on. Let's move on. Oh boy. Next thing you know, we're going to talk about Dead Hand. And anyway, so more than just obviously that email, which is, I mean, do you guys have any other additional thoughts on it? It's just like, it's not shocking. It is a little creepy, but also nothing really happened. Like at all. Well, I mean, with how much pushback they've already gotten from just buying Activision Blizzard. Well, this is before they even bought Xenomax yet. They hadn't even bought them yet. Right. But now, I mean, now it's almost going to be impossible. There's going to be so much pushback. The regulators would never approve it. There would be so much pushback. They'd never approve it. Right. I mean, just because they want to doesn't mean there could be a lot. Let's eliminate a competitor. Yeah. Regulators are going to totally approve that. Yeah. So it's one of those kind of nothing burgers just because of that aspect. I mean, with how much pushback they've gotten just from Activision Blizzard now. Yeah. To take on one of the major three is no. One thing I forgot to put on here too is there was an email from Erring Greenberg where he's like, hey, can we stop calling Switch a console, please? Like I'm just requesting, can we stop calling it? I think people are getting confused because it has Ori and Minecraft. And, you know, they're getting, they're confusing. Can we just stop calling it a console? By the way, Microsoft never publicly stopped calling it a Nintendo Switch a console. This was just a request from their head of marketing. Like, hey, can we just not do it? Because he thinks it's a bad idea for Xbox's marketing. Phil Spencer obviously never agreed because then Phil Spencer was also wanting to buy Nintendo. But it is kind of interesting because that was one of the sticking points in the FTC versus Microsoft case was them saying Switch is a console. It is a competitor. And yet internally their head of marketing was like, can we stop? Can we stop calling it that, please? By the way, kind of irrelevant because Nintendo has been calling it a console. Actually, a home console since day one. And they still call it a home console to this day. What do you, what do you call it? I call it a hybrid. Oh, right. So, but I mean, it's still a console. Is it when you, is it the implications that a console is? Or a handheld or a home, it's still a console. Like that, that's right. Right. So I guess what I'm asking is, is that they don't want it to imply that it's a direct competitor, I guess. Yeah. They wanted to imply that it's like a side thing. And that was just their head of marketing wanted to do that, which I think it was because they were worried consumers would be confused. I do want to speak on something that is maybe somewhat interesting. So like the fact that this stuff got out and we're kind of, he were kind of seeing a lot of information. It's like a lot of internal stuff. Like from what I've experienced from other big companies, I will not name. I think I technically I'm not allowed to name. So even more reason for me not to say anything in terms of what the company, who the company is. But I'll tell you that there was a big company I worked for. And like a big, big company. Okay. And there was a day where there was a day where an email was sent out to literally everyone in the company. And this email was not intended for everyone. It was intended for select few people. And this email included a long list of people that were going to be put to be terminated or put in a position to be terminated. And oh boy, that sounds like a lawsuit. Oh, and, and literally. And so all these people that were on this list to be terminated were like the supervisors for all the groups of a whole bunch of other people. Right. So like it's kind of like for perspective, like imagine you're in school and you find out your teacher is about to be fired before your teacher knows. And then your teacher comes into class and everyone's talking about it. That's what happened for dozens of people in the company. And the reason it happened is because the person in charge is sending that list to the select few people, click a couple incorrect buttons and send out a mass email to the entire company, which doesn't sound too different from how all this information that was meant to be internal stuff was sent out to the world. Yeah. It was just uploaded to the wrong spot on the website. So and what's also interesting is when we take a look at some of the marketing material, I call it marketing materials, but like when they show like the cylindrical Xbox, it almost looks like it's like an ad. It's probably because it was designed to be showcased to a larger group of people, but within the company. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is why it looks like marketing material. Because you're marketing material. I'm sorry. You're good. Um, I was just wondering, do you think they're going to call it the X cylinder instead of the Xbox? No idea. It's not a bomb. You can't say that. Yeah, the X too. No. You're not, that's illegal for you to say that. You're not allowed to say X. All right. So here's a funny question. Can it, can it is a cylinder not a box? No, it's a cylinder. All right. So, no, it's not. Have you never not, have you ever seen a round box? It's not round. How, are you telling me that round boxes don't exist? No, you wouldn't. Are you sure? Oh, so what do you call it? You call it a cylinder box? What do you call it? A box. There are, there are round boxes. So what do you call a round box? Well, isn't just a whole cardboard box, any shape can still be a box, but what you would actually call that shape. So why can't they just say, hey, this is our console. No one would see a cylinder in a 3D like shape and be like, oh, that's a box. But, but, but you just said, oh, it was different. When it's made out of cardboard, we call it all a box. Well, they, I hope the new Xbox console is made out of cardboard. You can prove me wrong. No, no, no. Microsoft invented the term Xbox, which means a box is whatever they tell you it is. It's their talk. A box existed before Microsoft. But this isn't a box. It's an Xbox. But it's not. It's not shaped like an X or a box. But you just said, if it's made out of cardboard, suddenly it doesn't matter what shape it is. That's the one. If you add a cardboard, I'll have no wall. But if you pick it and choosing, I won't add any wall if it's made out of cardboard. But they still call it a box is what I'm saying. They literally still call boxes that aren't square and recting. It's a box. Oh, shit. I'm sorry. It's a box. Well, I don't even know what the box is. I've never even. You're going to call it Xbox round. I don't know. Yeah. Oh, I guess they're thinking out of the box. Oh, oh, okay. I'm literally the first time I've ever looked at a box. I mean, I got it. I got a theory for the name. Put one in. You guys ready? Here it is. Xbox series. Because that's still that. So the generation of Xbox series. Oh, got a series X Xbox series. Xbox series. Jake, you're just wrong. According to the dictionary, a box is just a container with a flat base that has sides. That's it. Typically square. Typically square, but doesn't have a circle. Is it sides? It's a singular. It's a side because it's all connected. That's not sides. That's a lot about the top. That's the top part of it. It's a side. It can be a box. That's not the side. That's the top. No, there's a top of bottom and a side. It's all based off perspective. It's not a box. Also, do we know if there's a fact that the Xbox series? Oh, doesn't have a flat back. The side. If you use it as a verb. If it's a verb, you just put it in. I'm just saying. I don't even want to. I want to double check because I have a feeling. Wait, hold on, hold on. How many sides are there to a dice? Six. Okay, but one side's always facing up. So how can that be a side? One side is always on the bottom. Two. All right, four sides. No, you're right. You're right. Serious philosophical ground here, boys. That's what I'm saying. The top is still a side. It's just not what we typically refer to. Like we say side, we think of the side of something, but the sides are all the parts of it, actually, all around. The bottom is technically also a side, basically. But what they're saying is the bottom has to be flat. That's the definition. Dill the Pickle respectfully disagrees. That's all right. I like Dill Pickles. Thank you. My name's Dylan. Dill for short. My friends call me Dill the Pickle. Cool. Two inch destroyers now. I'm both. Reed. Okay. Very nice. So we brought up the system, right? Like, isn't it weird that the, so there's two systems that are brought up. The series S1's less exciting to talk about. It's mostly what they have now, just with some different power stuff and one different part of on the IO. But when we look at the, what they call Brooklyn, that's the code name for it. Now that's cylindrical new Xbox. It's two terabytes, no disk drive. And apparently it's adorably all digital. That was the, I like, I can't even talk about it. You go ahead. Again, again, internal marketing. I know that there was never going to do this publicly. You would never use it public marketing, calling something all digital, telling everyone you can no longer use physical games and call it adorable. I also think that the back is not round. My, my only hope. I'll set your opinion. Well, it could be. I don't know. We didn't really see the back. We don't know. We, I think it's hard to tell. What I will say, this may not be a final design. Yeah. What I will say though, is my only hope is when they release this, they don't like discontinue the normal Xbox series X in a year. I'm afraid they're going to do it because it costs the same price. So no, and then the video. No, they're going to. They, they don't want. And yeah, I know that. That's what I'm afraid of because what that means then is 100% they're all digital moving forward, which they've been trying to do this in 2013. When they made that initial announcement that the Xbox, yeah. It doesn't mean I want it to happen. When the Xbox one, I don't want it to happen either. But you know what is like a lot of like younger gamers, like anyone in their thirties and above, I think wants to keep digital. But we're starting to get to the point where it's like almost everyone in their 20s. Doesn't care. And that's like scary and the industry loves that. So here's what I will say. And I've been saying this about PlayStation and Xbox as sense probably, well, when did they start having installs? All digital is good for the planet. Get out of here. So Xbox one, no, no. So Xbox one and PS four were the first systems that required installs, right, from on home consoles. I'm just kidding. Crunchy, I love you. You had to install your games on internal storage. Internal storage. I always thought since that happened, the days, the days of those particular companies going to all digital were just a matter of time because look, why, why are PC games? Basically, it's all digital all the time. We got rid of this drives a long time ago because you have to install the damn thing on your hard drive. Anyway, so you're not even saving space. So, you know, when the disk just becomes an unlock key, people kind of stop caring as much and start going towards the convenience of just downloading and install, since you have to do it anyways. Andress, you can. It's my show and I'm being overridden on who I tag in. No, no, no, no. It's just what you just said. You said download and install because you have to do it anyways. I just want to say one thing because it's like, I've seen a lot of people getting this wrong lately, and I know you know, but like, you don't have to download and install. You just have to install when the game is on the desk. You can be completely online anymore. They got rid of those. No, no, no, no. Those still exist. But if the game is completely on the disk, which Microsoft does fake physical releases sometimes and the game's not all there and you have to download. But even on games where there's a day one patch, there is a version of the game. That you can just put in your console and install and install and download is not the same. Yeah, I was saying that since you have to install anyways, people will just go to download and install instead. The days were numbered. It happened with PC. It went away on PC because you had to install the damn games. So you have to sit there and install the game, and it's on your computer, and all the disk is like, oh, you just have to have the disk in for the game to recognize you own the game. Well, you're always going to have to install now because you have to run the game off SSD. It'll, like, load screens would be like 20 minutes instead of 20 seconds if you actually ran the game off a disk. This generation. Almost like Nintendo sticking with cartridges was a better design for physical games. I love that. I did that. It's almost like there was the one benefit of cartridges is that you can put the superfast memory just on the damn cartridge. Exactly. Now, Graham, the companies that are going to start working with them again, like Activision, aren't going to want to pay for cartridges. Yeah, I guess we already see that. We already see that a lot with like EA and stuff. Yeah. And you know what? Nintendo locked in the 10-year deal, baby. Too bad, mother. Too bad. I was not ready for that, but anyways, Andres, you still want to get tagged in? Are you just done? Just gave up. No, it's fine. I just got, I got insulted again by another viewer. Oh, my. I don't even know what people say, man. I just, I just, I don't even know what was said. So Luigi's Therapist said- I don't even need the chat here in podcast. So it's just, it's just not worth it. I love you guys. You want my attention? You super chat? Maybe that's what it is, though. They know that I'll pay attention. They call me. Yeah, they're trying to get to you. Yeah, that's what it is. I'm pretty sure I'm correct on this. So I'm not sure why I'm an idiot. But Luigi's Therapist said, I love you, Andres, which I doubt, but it's okay. But you're arguing about what is a cylinder versus a box is idiotic than you. I don't know what you were saying. But like, literally, I think I was objectively correct on what a box is. So I don't, I think a cylinder can be a box. I think that whole conversation, we were all telling each other it was a joke. So I think they were just trying to challenge it. People took that too serious. It was literally just a joke. Box is just a fun, philosophical conversation. Like what do you define as a box? None of us actually gave a shit. Right. Because like the thing is, we don't want to actually think of a box as a round object. But you know, it's, that's why it's funny. Anyway, I did want to, there was something that was actually relevant to the conversation I wanted to bring up. Trying to remember, I think I forgot. I got too caught up with the whole box thing. Ah, I see, I see. Yeah. Got to think outside the box, Andres. Yeah. And the only other thing I wanted to bring up from the Xbox stuff. Or around the box because of the cylinder. Because I apparently it was like near a thousand pages of stuff. So like people are still going through it. But the thing that was brought up today was about Game Pass. And like there was a meeting where there was a they got together for marketing and found this out to the emails about the future of Game Pass and get into 100 million subscribers and stuff by like 2030. And they had a graphic for it showing like the percentage of it that's home console, the percentage of it that's PC, the percentage of it that's cloud. And in the emails, Phil Spencer is like, dude, if we're even at that at 2027, Microsoft might just sell off the Xbox division. Look, we're just done. Which by the way, this also predates the Activision Blizzard acquisition, which could obviously fundamentally change the financials about their whole Xbox division. So, but it's interesting to be like even at 100 million by 2027, Phil Spencer thought that Microsoft might sell them off, which it's not so much that I think he he doesn't view those as good numbers. I wonder if that was the first public sign. Well, it wasn't supposed to be public, but what became the first public sign that the executives on the actual board at Microsoft are not happy with the Xbox division's performance? Well, can I actually say a couple of things about that? Sure. One 100 million in terms of what I think they're going to count as Game Pass subscribers is actually going to be really not impressive. Because I don't know if you saw in their last like report, they called like Xbox like gold members. They called that like Game Pass basic or something. So in the next class report, they're going to include Xbox Live. They've set the precedent. So they're going to include Xbox. Yeah, we're going to jump to 30, 40 million to 70 million when really there's no change in revenue. Yeah. And so it's already going to be 70 million next quarter. So 100 million wouldn't be that much more. So I don't think there's any way that would be 100 million 2027. Yeah. I mean, well, 30 million is still a pretty decent increase for a system or for a platform that hasn't really had a lot of momentum. But well, I don't know. To me, it was just like, and by the way, I think we already had some feelings that he was feeling pressure because back when the CMA did the original block on the AtchVision Blizzard deal and he went on the kind of funny podcast, he sounded dejected. He sounded because also Redfall came out and that didn't do what they wanted it to do. So they were having a really bad week. And he made it kind of sound like Xbox, like Microsoft just isn't happier at the moment. And I'm just like, man, you know, Xbox has been kind of losing. If you actually look at the financials, their gaming division has been losing the money for decades. And I wonder if it's getting to the point where if this Activision Blizzard deal didn't go through where the profit margins look so damn good once you own them. If it didn't go through, if Microsoft would have been like, you know what, maybe it's time to sell off. That's a crazy scenario to think about because you're right. Because they're like, hey, we're not making any money. Why don't we just sell off the assets, cut our losses and call it a day? And again, that doesn't, it looks like the Activision Blizzard deal's going through and everything's all good there. But I was just, man, if that didn't go through, I wonder if that's why Phil was feeling all that pressure and like sounded so dejected when the CMA did the things. He's just like, fuck, if this doesn't sell, dude, I'm out of job. We're all out of jobs. This, we're done. I agree, but could you just please watch the language? Thank you. No. Don't worry. I'm just going to stay over here shutting up. So, no. Eric, Eric, would you, would you stop talking so much? Yep. Anyways, so what do you guys think about that? Like that's kind of crazy to think. Like they're one of the eight, because for so long, right? It's been since I was in high school. We've had the big three. And there actually was a legit threat at some point that we're learning here that it could have just become a big two. I'll show you big two. Here we go. I knew that was coming. Sega's making a comeback. No one's got any thoughts? Okay, that's cool. Sega's making a comeback. No, I mean, I, like I said, like. It's a bad topic. It happens. If that literally, if that didn't happen, I guess, if that deal didn't go through, yeah, it would, it would just be a whole different landscape. It's, it's kind of crazy to think about. And it was this close to that happening too. Yeah, Eric, what's your thoughts? Because you've had Xbox since like the very beginning. I didn't have an OG Xbox. Yeah. So like, what do you feel about the whole situation? Not just with all these leaks and everything, but like the idea that, you know what, there was a chance at one point that Xbox might just go away. It, you know, I don't know. It would have sucked because there was a lot, a lot of years spent playing actually probably more Xbox than Nintendo. Once the OG Xbox in my head, dude, you were always the Xbox guy from that point for me. Yeah, literally. I've enjoyed Xbox because of you. Well, the only reason why I had an Xbox was because of you. Well, you know, I was three. No, that was the 360 still. And that was your dad give your dad credit. He called me to see if I could make something happen. And I was getting fired anyway. So I made something happen. Thank it. Yeah. Hey, Martin, I was getting fired anyway. So yeah, I want to sigh for you, buddy. Right. No, it just would have been weird to see how life would have been different without, you know, an Xbox being there. I mean, Xbox Live is like a big deal, right? Like Xbox kind of like showed like, this is how online gaming should be done. Yeah, they showed that we need to pay for access to our own internet network. I was never lost my virginity. If I had lost my virginity, it would have been playing Uno on Xbox Live. There you go. That's crazy. Disclose. Yeah, they would have hit you with the reverse card, though, so it didn't matter. It's crazy. But it gave your virginity back. Reverse. Wait, Eric, here's a question. So as someone that like played like a lot of Xbox, like you said, more than Nintendo, what has there been besides multiplats, like to be excited about for Xbox, like just like in the last few years? Oh, I mean, honestly, the last few years, I've been more Nintendo than anything. Yeah. It was kind of more of the OG Xbox 360. Yeah. Yeah, I had the Xbox 360. I'm going to say, and I'm not like a fanboy. I want to like all the companies, but like I've had a really hard time finding stuff that like I was super excited for Starfield. Don't think it's a bad game. It just wasn't for me. But like I've been really wanting to find more Microsoft stuff. And I guess we're coming out like table and stuff that I'm looking for. What was that exclusive one they dropped earlier this year, you know, out of one of their Xbox directs? The cell shaded one. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it really popped off for a little bit. Yeah. Oh, like the Jet Set radio style. Yeah, yeah, that one's really good. I didn't play that one. No, because I never renewed it. High-five rush. I need to go back and try that one. Yeah, that's a good one. Very, very different from what people expect from a Microsoft. High-five rush. Thank you, Charles, for that. It was very good. Yeah. It was kind of like a lot of halo, a lot of, you know, left for dead, those types of things with a bunch of friends. And I mean, the only reason why I have an Xbox series at all is because of Back for Blood. And then they decided to completely shit on Couch Co-op, which was one of the things that made their left for dead games amazing. One thing I liked about Back for Blood is I did have Game Pass when that dropped and you got it day one, but you could play with people playing it on PS5. So I didn't play with all my friends and they were all on PlayStation. I was able to play it for free on Game Pass and be in a party with them. So that was kind of sick. No, for sure. It's just, Couch Co-op is very nostalgic, very, you know... He loves Couch Co-op. It's great to... I shouldn't have to have a second freaking council if I'm in the same room as my friend. Well, it's funny that you say that, Eric. I don't know if I've ever shown you my setup, but I have two... I have an 80-inch and a 65-inch TV side-by-side with two of each console. So I can... But it's crazy that I have to do that because you're right. I do that so I can essentially play Couch Co-op on these online games. So when you send me that TV hookup, baby, that I do the front of the 80 and 65, come on now. I do it. The 80 inches is 78 more than you need. Yep. No. Yeah. But no, so I mean it was... It's weird to think that if Xbox was only around for, you know, a handful of years, what would be extremely different about the gaming sphere now? You know, would there be... But what's so crazy about Xbox on Microsoft is that like ever since the 360, it feels like if they were any other company, it feels like they've been on the brink of dying. Like ever since that horrible Xbox One launch. And the thing is though, they're owned by Microsoft. They actually have more money than anyone and they can lose as much money as they want and still be okay as long as they decide that they want to keep the gaming division. Yep. And apparently why it's a pressure not to. And then, hey, let's go spend 70 bill and forget we ever had those thoughts. Have a good day. Yeah. But that's because the 70 bill is just such a good investment. They're going to make all that money back in 10 years, like easy. So I mean, all you have to do is glance at the financials of what King and Activision were bringing in and like, yeah, they're going to make that money. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Someone in the chat just said, couch co-op is dead. Do you even play Nintendo games? Come on. It's going to be like every Nintendo game is multiplayer besides like Splatoon. Yeah. Splatoon is like the only one. Which Mario Kart 8, but that didn't sell very well. So I guess I guess I see where they're coming from. Smash Brothers is way better. Smash Brothers, I don't know. Yeah. That didn't sell either. Yeah. You know, Mario Wonder coming up has only been just been talking about couch co-op the whole time. Wait a minute. It's a dark soul of 2D Mario. Yeah. It's so weird to hear that like couch co-op is dead when on Nintendo's own platform, like most other games. Yeah, Nintendo is different. I will say like mainstream couch co-op like it was when online didn't exist. Of course it's like nothing compared to that, but it's not dead. It takes two game of the year two years ago. It's exclusively you can only play co-op. I guess, wait, I guess that's not couch co-op though. That you do have to have two screens. Very sure. I played it couch co-op with my setup. That was weird. Yeah. I don't my favorite like we can debate about couch co-op all we want. It clearly still exists. It's just not it's not the standard it once was if you had a multiplayer game. It used to be the standard. You have to have it now. It's like, yeah, no, you can just not have it and people are okay. It's an afterthought. Yeah. Yeah. It's an afterthought. It's an afterthought. It's one of the best game of the year on Switch. Reason. Couch co-op. But like I'll give you an example. When people tell me couch co-op is dead. It's interesting because obviously Nintendo, a lot of Nintendo stuff in my house, what's the only system that ever gets used in couch co-op in my house? My Nintendo Switch. And who is it with? My fiance and my children. Nintendo likes that whole family setting, getting families playing together. And that's why they don't get rid of couch co-op because you do that and you're telling family members you can't play together anymore. And that's just not. And if you watch the marketing for the Switch, people, that's what young hip people do is they put their Switch out there and just pass it. Yeah. Passes joy cons around. We melt cows. Andre, so you're going to swear at someone again? All right. All right. This is not. This is not. I was going to be bruising your head. I was going to yell at someone in the comments. I'm not doing that this time. I did it this third time just so you would think that. But I just want to say I would really love it that if Nintendo's launch line for Switch 2, it's probably a lot of cross gen stuff and third party stuff alongside 3D models as a big exclusive. But if they need to have just one more exclusive before the end of 2024, please let it be a new Nintendo land. That is like the best couch co-op game. Nintendo land is great. Oh my. Like, can you imagine a new Nintendo land? It would be so good. It's like my favorite mini game compilation game. It's so fun. It's way better than like one, two Switch or like snipper clips. Like that would be better. But I look at how Switch sports did and how they thought it was going to do. And I kind of think maybe something like that could happen with Nintendo land. Maybe it's worth a chance. I mean, I still pop into my review. Yeah. The sports is approaching 10 million. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's because people think of the Wii days and they're like, oh man, look at Wii sports resort. We're going to sell like 35, 40 mil. And it's like, yeah, but different eras. Yeah. 10 mil is still audience. Yeah. Like the audience on Switch is literally primarily adults, according to Nintendo's own metrics. So I mean, I think, I think Switch sports is officially an evergreen title. Like, oh yeah, I think so. It's still selling. Maybe it will get a 20 million someday. Did they ever add full soccer games to it? Maybe 15. What? Did they ever add like actual soccer or is it still just to shoot out? Oh, yes. Oh, actually, I haven't played soccer in Switch sports, but I mean, I know the final big update was golf and that's been there. It's been fine. All right. Let's get into our last topic because this is, it's kind of interesting when Nintendo does this. When they dropped Nintendo Direct Sound Wednesdays, it's perfect. We get to have a podcast like the same day and it's all cool. But then when they do it the day after, there's this awkward period where it's like, oh, we got to wait six days. Damn it. So everyone on the planet has already talked about the Nintendo Direct, except not just everyone, every Nintendo podcast on the planet has already talked about the Nintendo Direct. Now it's our turn. We got a Direct last week. Even the best for last. We had a Direct last week. How are we feeling? First off, before we see how we're feeling, what's your grade today? We had the grade situation last week. What's the grade today? I said C. I predicted a C. I'm still at a C. So during the Direct, I mean, my live stream, right, like post show, there was a lot of negativity in my chat, right? And I put a poll and the majority of people picked the C grade. And I remember during this show last week, I said a B, right? Yep, not the grade. And during the post show, I gave it a C, but I was reluctant because I think I was somewhat swayed by the masses. I would give the show a B minus. Like I'm changing my letter. I'm acknowledging that I gave it a, that I predicted a B. I gave it a C immediately after a show, but after thinking about somewhat, I'm at a B minus. I'm at a B minus. I could explain why, but I don't know if you want me to explain why. Not yet. Give that a moment. Jake, what grade do you give it? Okay. I predicted an A, and I was right, but no, I think it was. I agree with Andreas. You get the cocky on Twitter about it. I was like, there's no way you gave that an A. No, I agree with Andreas. B minus to C plus. If we're not going with minuses or pluses, I would lean towards a C over a B. But if I can, I would give it an A out of 10, a B minus. Well, maybe even a little less. Maybe more like a C plus, honestly. I think we have the same general sentiment. I think, correct me if I'm wrong, I think we both just think they did what they had to do, and that was it. Yeah. I'll expand on that when we talk about it more, but yeah. What about you, Eric? You said A. Yeah, I said A. I was hoping for another A. I was hoping for another one of those. Wasn't even nervous. Starts, no. I was hoping for another one of those. Starts out weak and stronger in hell. Yeah, no. It just kind of was, it started me and ended me. So it's kind of middle of the road there. I mean, nothing, the thousand year door is a great addition. But to have that be the last thing shown was kind of, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that game, but that is not necessarily the big, big ending that everybody was hoping for. Okay. So in the C area. You're in the C area. Okay. So now we can kind of get into what the reasonings for our grades were. And I'm going to kind of skip mine, because I already did like an entire reaction stream to this with this audience. So I really want to know what you guys are feeling on all of this. And Eric, I kind of want to start with you, because obviously you were one that went A, and you're like, no, I'm a C now. You said, okay, the final game review, was that it though? Was that the only thing that made you give it a C? Or what about the rest of the direct? No, I mean, I know I was watching your stream for it. Oh, I influenced you. Yeah, no, no, no. They do call us influencers for some reason. Yeah, no, no, I'm trying to think here. No, I know one of the things that you were talking about was that Nintendo just falls off the cliff and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I really wanted to type out and chat. Well, at least they're doing something to keep the thing alive. I mean, yes, it's all ports and remasters and stuff like that. But at least it's better than just letting it die. Um, so, you know, I'm happy for the people that are, you know, the games that they wanted are here. But I don't know outside of like the peach game, if I'm going to necessarily pick up anything. So for me, it was just kind of, I'm happy for the people that got games that they wanted. But I didn't, for me, it just wasn't a bunch of games that I wanted. So, I mean, for me, it's a personal scene then. Yeah, so again, like, I'm in this weird middle ground of, is it a C or a B? Again, grades are kind of arbitrary, right? But I think the ultimate point is that it was basically par. It basically, I think Nintendo did what they had to do, but it's not like a memorable direct for me. It's definitely, you know, it's not above average. Like that much is clear. And, you know, it's interesting because I would say that Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door is my, is in terms of, in terms of the games that are currently officially slated for 2024. It is my most anticipated game. More so than even the peach game, which is a brand new game. I mean, we saw the gameplay actually looked, it actually made me more excited for the peach game, just to put that into perspective, right? Like, I actually am high on the peach game, which is Princess Peach Showtime. I do remember the title, so I do care about it. So, but my point is, I actually think Thousand Year Door is a very big deal announcement. I think it is, it was worth the tease from Puro being very quiet on it. And, but I also understand why some people are, it took a little bit of wind out of the sail, because at first it did take it out for me. And maybe that's why I'm kind of speaking on the direct a little bit more optimistically now than it was last Thursday, because I kind of need to sit on it for a bit. But I think the reason why it wasn't the most amazing final announcement, it's not, it's not because of the game itself. I think the game itself is actually a really, really big deal. Again, this is like a very ambitious remake, maybe the most ambitious remake from Nintendo ever. Like, I think we could have that conversation. But the problem is, it's another Mario game in a six month period where we've only pretty much gone Mario universe titles. Save for F-Zero 99, the only brand new release that's been announced is another Mario universe title. I was talking about in this direct. This was in the direct. Well, the text feature was announced last direct. Yeah, it was announced. I thought you mentioned it in the direct. No, no, I meant announced. But I mean, point is though, right? Like there is a couple things, right? But I think the tech to pick your returns is like, not many people are high on that. That's definitely like low. And actually to be fair, Nintendo is publishing another code. So they do have their hand in that. So there are some non-Mario universe things coming. But for the most part, we're getting only Mario universe games, right? We have Mario Wonder, which is great. We have Mario RPG, which is great with the Wario games, which is great. We have Mario vs. Donkey Kong, which is a Game Boy Advance remake. Question, is the Wario move it? Is that a remaster? Is that completely new? I think it's a new game. Okay. Yeah, I have no idea. That's why I'm asking. I think it's them. There have been some Wario where kind of like remaster remakes. I'm not going to pretend on the biggest Wario where man, I'm not saying I dislike them, but whenever they come up, I'm like, I always kind of end up passing on it because it doesn't feel like I need to buy it. That makes any sense. No, no, it totally does. I enjoy them quite a bit for what they are, but it's not like a, not like a super high experience. Yeah. All right. I mean, I just brought it up. I just wanted to. Yeah. But anyways, the main point is that I think the reason why it wasn't the most exciting announcement for a lot of people, because it was another Mario game announced and where we're getting mostly Mario game announcements, right? I think people wanted a brand US Euro title or like more and more ambitious at zero title. It was a 16-bit 99 game, right? The Donkey Kong game was a Mario vs. Donkey Kong Gameboy advanced remake. Like it, that's a small title. You know, it's a good, I think it's a quality title, but it's a small title. And there was no Metroid. There was no Zelda. There was no other Nintendo IP. Like there's a whole bunch of Nintendo IP that exists that are outside the Mario universe and Nintendo isn't tapping into right now. So I think kind of like that lack of variety in conjunction with it being a remake, which a lot of people just assumed was a remaster at first. That kind of impacted a lot of people's impressions of this direct. And I kind of get that because I literally, when I saw the star on the book, I was like, oh, it's another Mario universe game. Like that my initial like first seconds of seeing the thousand-year-door trailer weren't excitement. It was like, oh, another one. But after sitting on it for a while, I'm like, oh, this is actually a big deal. I'm kind of excited about this. So yeah, I think that kind of explains it for a lot of people. But that all said, I think about what we have coming. We have Mario Wonder. I'm probably not going to get the WarioWare game or the Detective Pikachu game, but I am getting Mario RPG in November. The Pokemon DLC just came out. We have more DLC coming out next year. We did see this between three DLC, which looks really good. We have another code which I think I am going to get in January. I thought the second DLC was coming out last week of December. I can't remember where I saw that. That might be speculation. Yeah, because I think it said winter, right? Yeah, I don't think we have a date on it yet. Which we have an arcade game in December. I don't think it's... Yeah, okay, okay. Yeah, but I'm excited. Like we have a game in February. The Peach came in March. The Luigi game actually, I'm kind of high on Luigi's Mansion 2 HD. So I'm excited for the games to come. I think Nintendo is doing a good job of giving us something to enjoy. But obviously, you know, all of our eyes are kind of like, okay, clearly Nintendo is holding back though. Like that is a sentiment. Nate, side order looks great. Nate, can I link in the chat the tweet that Nintendo tweeted the whole list? Yeah, sure can. In just in case anyone in the chat wants to follow along with everything that was in that direct, Nintendo literally tweeted a... A giant update. A poster. They do that every direct, yeah. Shout out to Johnny Hernandez in the chat saying Hogwarts Legacy was not in the direct. Like that is true. It was not in the direct. Neither was the Mortal Combat, which I found to be especially considering the reviews. Very interesting. Yeah, you think Hogwarts Legacy switched too? It's coming out in November. It says November 14th and hasn't been delayed yet. I don't think it's getting delayed. I think it's coming out. I think it's going to be bad. And it's just going to be bad. Yeah, it might be okay, but I think it's going to be subpar. I firmly believe it's going to get delayed. They're going to cancel it and move it to switch too. And they just haven't announced it yet. But it has a... I can absolutely see that. It has a specific release date though, right? Sure, it has a specific release date. You are. And the thing is, they don't want to announce the switch too yet so they can't announce that it's getting delayed. For switch too. It makes sense that they wouldn't say anything about the release date yet. I think it's going to come out and be a dumpster fire and then I think we'll have a switch too version come out with the DLC. That's what I think is going to happen. You know what? I'm going to buck the trend. It's going to come out and it's going to be great. I've been wanting the switch version to be great. They promised a great experience. They've already delayed it multiple times to make it a great experience. You know what? You know why they're not showing it out? You know why? There's going to be a third party dedicated direct next month and that's where it's going to be. That is a very bold prediction. Predicting a partner showcase a month after a month. That's the most accurate prediction for the direct. So I mean... Yeah. Prediction on the grade. I, my actual predictions video, I said a bunch of stuff that was hoping would happen. Like Metro. Yeah, I was a part of the grade. Yeah. Yeah, imagine that. That was a part of the grade. My grade was the realistic. My grade was this is actually what I expect to happen rather than... But like when I make a prediction video, I'm just kind of like, I got to throw some stuff that I really want to happen and I legitimately thought it would be a good time to show a Metro Prime 4, but it didn't happen. Which is totally fine. It'll just tell me that Andres was right the entire time last week and I'm just even bigger dumbass. This is going to be like a cross-generation title. Nah, man. Have you not been paying for the chat on the clown? Yeah, you did. I get called the clown every day. You can't see. No. So why don't we know what? I was literally... You guys are awesome and amazing. I said that about Metro Prime 4 at the beginning of the stream and then I let you weigh me with your sith ways. You're smooth talking and I was like, you know, yeah. Yeah, Nate. That's what you intended. You're right. You're right. I'm very good at that, no ass here. And you got the fire in the background. You know, he probably does a red light thing. You brought me over to the dark side. Just need some smooth jazz in the background now. Yeah, dude. But taking it out that hard of this way, to be honest, I was going to talk about it. We have free two inches here all day. And you're already on the side. I mean, I'm personally actually somewhat happy about Prime 4 and not being in the direct. One, I was prepared for it. Although it was... Allerations? Well, no, I just... I want to switch to version. That's it. My way, we still don't know 100% for sure. But they were kind of like... I would say that that the people feel pretty good about it. You can announce that February next year and have it not be... The odds seem pretty fairly stacked in the favor of Prime 4. I mean, there might be more odds it's an exclusive on Switch 2 at this point than it being exclusive to Switch. Okay, listen, that I agree with, but just for those in the chat should not get confused. We are not saying that a Switch 2 exclusive is more likely than Cross Gen. It's more likely than Switch 1 exclusive. I agree with that. But they could have moved it if they wanted because maybe it's just that much of a visual showcase and they wanted to visually showcase the next system. Possible. But I think it's more likely than it being Switch exclusive at this point. But I think it's probably Cross Gen. Just to be clear, we agree Cross Gen is the most likely access though. But now that we are on the same page from that I can totally see it being Cross Gen also launch title for Switch 2, but because that and something like a 3D Mario are such different types of games and people don't typically buy a new hardware on Day 1 typically would like to get more than one game. I could see them doing a new Switch 2 exclusive 3D Mario launch release in addition to Metroid Prime 4 Cross Gen Day 1 release. I don't think they'll release both in the same day but I will entertain the idea of Prime 4 being a Day 1 Switch 2 title though. I think Nintendo would spread out their personal first-party major releases. Well they always do. So it is a bold thing for me to predict. Just for a new hardware like that? I don't know. But I do kind of see a scenario though where Prime 4 could be a Day 1 Switch 2 title because stock's going to be limited anyway. Right? If let's say Switch 2 comes out this September and Prime 4 releases Day 1 Switch 2, there are still some big third-party games that come out Day 1. So there still may be that effect of people buying multiple games regardless. But 3D Mario is saved for like an October release or a November release as the big holiday title. What they get a little bit more stock in. So they still have 3D Mario out by the holidays which is the most important thing. But Prime 4 is given major spotlight by being the Day 1 Switch 2 title. Further strengthening the argument that I was making last week that by having Prime 4 being at least in that launch window, it becomes kind of like that kind of title that people think of when they get a Switch 2. They're giving it more of that evergreen possibility. And with your point of Prime 4 maybe being a Day 1 title, I think that kind of strengthens it more so. I'm not sure I'm 100% buying into Prime 4 being the Day 1 title. But I could see it working. As long as 3D Mario still comes out before the holiday. My condition on Prime 4 being a Day 1 title is that there would be something like a 3D Mario as well. And they would try to just like completely do something that they've never done the entire Switch generation and have two major releases on one day just to take advantage of that hype. How about Nintendo Land? Because here's the thing. And granted, this Switch came off of the Wii U. But when the Switch came out, the only title, like the big title was Breath of the Wild. And there was still so little hype for the Switch that people were scalping the NES Classic for more than the Switch was going for. And I mean, you couldn't get a Switch either, but there was less demand for that than the NES Classic. And literally, Breath of the Wild outsold the Switch hardware. More people owned the Switch version of Breath of the Wild than owned a Switch. And it's just like Nintendo not wanting to mess up the launch. That's the only reason I could see them doing Prime 4 in another first-party game that's a completely different genre. And the Nintendo fans will buy both games Day 1, which will be a huge amount of software sales right from the get-go, which is something Nintendo wants. Yeah. And people that don't care about Mario wouldn't have gotten a Switch 2 on Day 1 or people that don't care about Metroid, which is most, wouldn't get a Switch 2 Day 1. But when you have both there, it just helps everything. What are you smiling at? What are you smiling at on this? It just hurts when you say most people don't care about Prime. Well, you know what I mean. It's still reality, but yeah. Most of the people here on the podcast care. But yeah, I still have this optimism that Metroid Prime is going to have its Breath of the Wild moment. That said, I still think it will sell more than any other Prime game or Metroid game in general. Which would be huge. Yeah. Even three and a half million would be a lot. You know, that would say that's still successful. For most franchises, 3.5 million is a big deal. So. And it could obviously, it could do more. But I just want to say that. Well, I think that they could use, they're using the Switch 2 launch to boost those sales. Because they do think that it's going to be, they think the game is that good that they want it to be so hyped that it's a launch game. So people will just buy it because it's one of the two big games. Again, this is all speculation, my theory. Yeah. But people will want to buy it. So that'll boost the sales. And then when people start playing it, and they realize how good it actually is, like I could see it like being evergreen for the Switch 2. If it has multiplayer, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. So something that I just want to kind of mention, it's on my mind right now. We're getting a lot of Mario games right now. And I think you can make the argument that us getting a lot of Mario games right now would soften the below. Excuse me. I might be allergic to bullshit. So maybe what I'm saying is bullshit. But I feel like with all these Mario games coming out now, it may soften the below for Mario fans when they find out that the next 3D Mario is coming to just Switch 2. Like because with all these Mario games, I think it would be hard to complain as a Mario fan that you weren't fed on Switch, if anything. And to that end, while I don't think this is happening, I will say that the way that Nintendo handled Prime 1 Remastered, putting it out clearly an ambitious remaster, but for only $40, but with minimal marketing, there's something about that that I find very odd, especially after they marketed the hell out of Metroid Dread. And I do wonder. I'm not saying I think this is what's going to happen, but I am entertaining the possibility that maybe that was done as a way to be like, hey, we gave Switch fans a cheap, high-quality Prime 1 Remaster, but we're taking away Prime 4, and Prime 4 is going to be a Switch 2 exclusive. Like I don't think it's going to happen, but I'm just throwing it out there. Yeah, I don't think they would do that either, because even with the Wii U, which was an install base of $13 million, they kept their promise and gave breath a while. I don't think they would screw over an install base of $140, $150 million. That they promised a game already. Yeah, I can see that now. That's a lot of people. That's a lot of people. That may be the best, that's probably the best argument. It's not even like a good person show good faith thing. It's a straight up money thing. Like that's a lot of money you're losing out on. Yeah, you don't want to start the next generation on a show of bad faith. Yeah. Because then it's like, okay, you're going to announce this really cool game for the Switch 2. We know it's not coming to the Switch 3. Look what you just did. You know what I mean? That's also bad. It would be bad PR. That's another good point. Not to mention that Prime 4 is technically listed for Switch, like, and it has been. Yeah. Also, how often does Nintendo do that? Because I don't want them to get any kind of backlash like that. I just want this new hardware to, I want it to do really well. And because I think it's going to be awesome. And so another consideration though, right? And I think sometimes when we kind of, the reason we, I think we even consider the possibility of being a Switch 2 exclusive, like why is that even a worthwhile consideration? It's because focusing on one platform, typically you can get the best results. Right? It's kind of, it kind of goes back to a little bit of the debate. Nate and I had last week, because Nate, you were arguing that maybe it makes more sense to just focus on one platform. Of course at the time we're talking about being just for Switch, because, you know, if they divert resources to make sure another version, you know, that could, that could cause some potential troubles, right? But we take a look at, like we're hearing about Switch 2, what Paul Gale, right? A shout out to Paul Gale, he was at least in the chat earlier, how he was talking about how he heard from a third party developer that the ecosystem of developing for Switch 2 is a night and day difference over Switch 1. And we're also here about how, from another rumor, that Final Fantasy 7 Remake, they got the enhanced version, like the PS5 version running quickly and easily for Switch 2 as well. And then we hear about, like, how there's this tech demo of an enhanced version of Breath of the Wild 4K60 with no load times. It kind of, it gives me some room for optimism that they can still have a great Switch version, but then they'll take the Prime 4 Switch 2 version, right? And maybe they do push it to like, I don't, maybe 4K is asking too much, but a higher, you know, maybe 1440p or something, but like, you know, a higher resolution, still 60, but it also has ray tracing or something like that or HDR. I mean, things that would make a big difference. That was the thing with Breath of the Wild, like it was obviously the superior version was on Switch. Well, graphically, it was only a subtle difference. They went from 900p to, I mean, from 720 and 900p, but there were still differences. It was a higher resolution. There was better audio quality, and obviously it was portable, but the Switch 2 is going to be a much bigger jump from Switch 1 than Switch was from Wii U. So, you know, I do hope they kind of actually take advantage of it. And from everything we're hearing of what they could do on Switch 2, I think that bodes well, while still the Switch version, it would still be solid. Mm-hmm. So, I think we can probably just go on to our Q&A section now. We got a few questions submitted already, so let's... We haven't talked enough about Mario vs. Donkey Kong though. Well, what do you want to talk about with it? It's got great fur. We can also talk about how today is exactly one month away from Mario Wonder's launch. Noice. Just throwing that out there. Oh, yeah. And they didn't talk about it. They only mentioned it for like a second, like a few seconds. It started direct. And make our PS5 fans happy. It's also one month from Spider-Man 2. Just throwing that out the same day. We're a little less than a month away from Sonic Superstars. Comes out on the 17th next month, so... Noice. We're about to enter major game release territories. October, November. Always lots of big games coming out. I love it always. Let's see here. We have a $2 question in here from Raichu. Love it. You think Switch 2 will see games like Elden Ring? No one talks. We're just... Our audio listeners are like, what happened? I answered this when he asked it in the chat. Absolutely. Absolutely. 100. We'll keep hearing about big third-party games working. Like this is Elden Ring's PS4 game. So like... I mean it's on PS4. So here's the games coming over. We're going to see a lot more third-party support from the sounds of it. Yeah, if anything is rumored to be true, of course we're going to get some of these games. The bigger question to ask, though, is not... I think it's almost guaranteed. It feels like, of course, these are all rumors, right? And well, some reports, but it's not confirmed. But it feels like we are for sure getting games like Elden Ring. But I think the bigger question to ask is, will we get not just games like Elden Ring, but literally Elden Ring on Switch 2? Oh, yeah. I don't even think we're getting Elden Ring. It's going to happen. I mean, we've got Dark Souls 1 through 3 on Switch. Yeah, we do. Yeah, it switched to one Elden Ring. I think we only have Dark Souls 1. Really? I don't think 2 and 3 are on there, unless they have some sort of cloud... I might have misspoken. I might have misspoken. Either way, the point is, Switch couldn't run Elden Ring. That's my mistake. It can run Elden Ring. Like Switch 2 can run Elden Ring. So I'm not even worried about it. Yeah, like I really hope... I mean the thing is, they're still working on DLC, right? Back to the DLC and we're dropping DLC. Elden Ring will have an expansion later and it'll be extra relevant around... Hopefully around the time Switch 2 releases. So I'm all for it. Portable Elden Ring. Let's go. But still 4K. Yeah, you were right, by the way. I misspoke. We just have Dark Souls remastered. Yeah, and just for the record, when I say portable Elden Ring, but still 4K, I don't mean at the same time. Because I say not going to happen. You're already at first. I'll just restart Exclusive Source. 4K, 8-inch screen. 4K screen. Yeah, that's a big leak. It's happening. 8-inch. It's not. That's just too many. Not true. Let me see. Then we had a Joe Taku here for 10 coming in saying, I wonder if Nintendo is going for a free upgrade route regarding backwards compatibility. Due to these demanding games coming to Switch so late like Borderlands 3, the Batman games, Mortal Kombat 1, thoughts. No, they're not doing that. But they might do it for expansion pack online members for certain games, but they're going to make their money. It's weird to me when someone brings up the Batman games. Those aren't really that new. I want to be very clear. Those are old games. The Switch version of the Batman games should be pretty damn good because they came out on hardware worse than Switch. So that one I don't really get. Borderlands 3, I think, came out on hardware worse than Switch. I could be wrong on that one. I can't remember exactly when that one came out. Maybe that was PS4. And obviously Mortal Kombat 1 is a little rough on Switch. Supposedly Ed Boon, as promised, is going to get it fixed, but promises Nintendo also inferred that we would have Pokemon Scrawler performance issues fixed and that's it. They implied you inferred. Okay. English major over there. Drink your Bud Light, sir. Hep C. Sorry, Hep C. Hep C is the only thing that rhymes with Hep C? Look, I didn't know we were bringing up Hep C. Let's... So look, I think the general question is, are they going to do a free upgrade route? And Nintendo, for starters, third party games, when you talk about Borderlands 3, Batman, Mortal Kombat 1, then being upgraded on the new hardware isn't even up to Nintendo. I was just going to say that, yeah. So start with that. Those are third party games. So if there's backwards compatible and third parties want to offer free upgrades, that's up to them. Nintendo doing it for their games, I don't think so. And I've been on record saying this before because I think they want to repackage, resell. But I could be wrong. I agree. They could also do smaller paid upgrades. Like PlayStation trying to do for a bet. So I don't really know. I think it could be on a game by game basis, too. Because guys, I'll tell you something. People are like, well, with DLSS, it could be... DLSS has to be built into the game. So that would still require them having to patch games. So I don't think... I personally don't think they're going to do... Nintendo is going to do free upgrades. And I don't think most third party games are going to do it either. But I don't know. I don't know. Maybe some part of me just feels like it's kind of messy. And I'm just... I just kind of think, like, let's just not even worry about that. Let's just get new games. And that's it. Like, if a game... If a game... It's... This was going to be backwards compatible. And I know this is an assumption, right? Like, because it depends on how they handle the backwards compatibility. But I'm going to be the optimist and say that the way that backwards compatibility will work, Switch games will run a little bit better on Switch 2. And all I mean is, any game that has a variable frame rate or variable resolution will be a little bit more solid and aiming towards a high end on Switch 2. Here's what I think will happen, realistically. Certain games that Nintendo deems are worthy of being re-released on Switch 2 for full price, like Breath of the Wild, in a completely upgraded, like 4K, they'll be charged full price. And I don't think it'll be an upgrade option. Other games that come out cross-gen after the Switch 2 comes out, like Metroid Prime 4, but not only Metroid Prime 4, any like Nintendo game where it comes out on Switch and Switch 2 on the same day, the Switch versions could have like a $10, $20 upgrade path. If it comes out. You know what I mean? Hmm. Those would be like the exception. So when I say that it's on a game by game basis, that's specifically what I mean. Yeah. No, I can see that. So I got something interesting to talk about. Uh-oh. Is it related to this? Someone. That's why I was thinking about it. Because Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door, I think is a very, very interesting game. Not just because I think it's a very ambitious remake for Nintendo of arguably one of the greatest games that came out during the Gamecube era. But also because it's just as a 2024 release timing and given what we're hearing about Switch 2, right? Like obviously Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door is coming out sometime between April and December. Like that that much we pretty much know for a fact. So a lot there's a strong chance it releases in the Switch 2 era if Switch 2 is coming out next year, right? And we factor that on top of this interesting button theory how typically remakes match the button layouts of the games they're being remade for. And it's not in the Thousand Year Door does not have the Gamecube button layouts, but rather has a new button layout. A is red, B is yellow, Y is green. We haven't seen X, but that seems to suggest the Super Famicom colors. It may be the case. There's a lot of leaps here, right? But it may be the case that they're matching a new button layout for the Switch 2. And that gets more interesting when you consider that if Switch 2 is basically going to be like a hybrid Switch, Nintendo may be thinking of ways to make it to differentiate it. One of it may be having a really big screen, but another may be, well, let's put those four colors on the Joy-Con. So it's clearly different from the base Switch. But anyways, I mentioned all those different things. It kind of makes sense, not guaranteed though, because if Thousand Year Door is coming out during the Switch 2 era, how do they handle that game? Because if they're going to treat it as a cross-gen title as well, which some of the things I mentioned may suggest that. I don't think they are. I think that's a swan song Switch title. I disagree. I'm just saying, it's the kind of game that already looks fantastic, but it could look good with some spruces. It's a turn-based RPG, essentially. Like it's going to look just as good as Switch as it would on Switch 2. So there's no reason for it to be cross-gen. 4K, right? HDR. It has some advanced lighting, so they could potentially push that with ray tracing as well. They're little paper cartoons. You don't need it to be 4K. And those colors could pop, man. Those lights could really shine. Just saying. They could. They have Minecraft with HDR and ray tracing. Yeah, no. I'm sure this will sell as much as Minecraft, for sure. I'm just, that's not the point. The point is that even simplistic games, they can take advantage of those features and look really good with them. For sure, for sure. So I just think it's interesting how a thousand-year door doesn't have a set timing. And I'm curious how they're going to handle that game. And I wonder if it will have some visual enhancements for Switch 2. So it's interesting, too, because Deadlock brings up this thing saying like some games will be upgradeable, some will be full remasters, as always, in the case. And he brings up PlayStation. And he says to look at Last of Us, where it's got back-and-pad and a remaster. Well, back-and-pad is kind of irrelevant. Back-and-pad just means you'll be able to play all your Switch games on the system. We're talking about this question specifically about the games being upgraded on the new system, not just backwards-compatible. The Last of Us backwards-compat isn't upgraded on the new system. There's something that I didn't mention that was kind of the main point about this, though, right? Because depending on how Nintendo chooses to handle a free upgrade route or a paid upgrade route, or just having separate versions, like a Switch version of Switch 2 version, and you choose which one you buy, paper on a thousand-year door is technically... I don't think you can pre-order it yet. I'm on the website and you can't pre-order it yet. Now there isn't a set release date yet, but given that you can't pre-order it yet, if it is going to be a cross-gen title of some kind, if there is going... It may be the case that the reason why we can't pre-order it yet is because by the time they do announce pre-orders, we can choose if we want it to be the Switch 2 version or the Switch 1 version. Can you give me a favor, Andres? Can you clarify? When you say you can't pre-order it, you mean like on the eShop? Yeah. Can you do it on Amazon? I'm not sure. I'm going to check, but can you pre-order Princess Peach on the eShop? Yeah. You can? Okay. Pretty sure, yeah. And I'm looking at... I don't even see Paper Mario on there. Like, and normally retailers will just list stuff. Like you can pre-order it for a point forward. So when you go to Nintendo's website, am I allowed a screen share on here? Yeah. Yeah, you can screen share. Okay. I just think it's okay to approve it. That is a really good point, actually, Andres. So you can see... So you can pre-order Princess Peach Showtime, but you cannot pre-order Paper Mario Thousand-Year Door. So I only bring this up, right, because since we're talking about potential visual upgrades, if they're gonna... Depending on how Nintendo will choose to handle this, if they do, if Thousand-Year Door is in that Switch 2 window, which it may be... It may be the case that you buy either a Switch 2 version or a Switch 1 version. And since pre-orders aren't up yet and Switch 2 hasn't been announced yet, it's possible. Again, speculation. I don't know, but maybe. No. Honestly, good point. Good point. Yeah. Sammy talks about games. I did a fight. I was super-jad to get this in. And you wanted to say, I think no backwards compatibility would be shooting themselves in the foot. They built this ecosystem. I don't see them breaking trust with consumers. Is a lack of backwards compatibility a trust-breaking thing? They never promised it. Yeah. I don't think it's a trust-breaking thing. It's whether or not it's a momentum-breaking thing. And to be honest, I'm not sure it is, which terrifies me. Because they've always done it with at least the previous console. I mean, not with their cartridge-based systems prior to the GameCube, but ever since. But they've had some big failures, with the Wii U not being distinguished enough from the Wii. So it makes me nervous to think, I was talking earlier in the show about how I really feel like Nintendo is going to have a solid cut-off and it's going to be really next-gen. It makes me nervous to think that there's a possibility that there isn't backwards compatibility, but there really is that possibility. But my one thing that gives me some hope that it will be backwards compatible is what I was talking about earlier with, when they do Switch and Switch 2 cross-gen releases, or anything that comes out post-Switch 2 launch, that there will be that upgradable option. And that would give me hope that, well, if it's upgradable, and then it's backwards compatible too. Yeah, maybe what they could do is, if you have the Switch version, you can pay to get a Switch to upgrade, but there will also be a Switch to release most of the time. Yeah, I mean, that's exactly what I'm saying, yeah. Yeah, but it would only be probably for titles that come out once Switch 2. Yeah, that's what I'm saying as well. I kind of feel weird about Nintendo retroactively offering the upgrade for a whole different Switch. No, that's what I said earlier. Like, for games like Breath of the Wild, there would be no upgrade path. It's been out since 2017. Yeah, they would just release the Switch 2 version, and you could either buy that for full price or play the version you already have with no upgrade path. I agree with you. That's exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, but you know what, Jake? I don't think I've talked about this with you, but something that gives me hope for backwards compatibility, there's a few different things, but since you're a Pokemon fan, I think it's worth mentioning to you. If you just look at how Pokemon Company and the Pokemon games I've been handling on the handheld systems, the handhelds always being backwards compatible was kind of key to how Pokemon transitioned from one generation to the next. Because you remember, like whenever it was a new handheld, there would still be like a couple Pokemon games that would come out on the prior handheld even during the heyday of the new one, and it would just run a little bit better on the new one sometimes, and that would be pretty much it. Given that Pokemon is only on Switch now, I feel, and also given how big of a deal Pokemon is, I think it probably would behoove Nintendo to kind of position things to work in the favor of how Pokemon Company likes to handle their games. So it's just, I think it's a point in the favor of backwards compatibility. Because if- Andres, that is honestly probably the best point I've heard to like make me think that like, they have to go backwards compatible. So thank you for talking to me. That makes me feel better because you're 1,000% right. Thanks. You're all like- Thanks, thank you. Yeah, I just think it'd be weird because I mean, we expect the Pokemon to come out next holiday. So if it's not backwards, especially if it's not backwards compatible, it might be, they'd be kind of shooting themselves in the foot and not have that game available on the system. So to answer the question, would they be shooting themselves in the foot? What? They would be. Well, see, I look at it differently. Nate, no, it's okay. We'll pass for this one. Eric? Yeah, Eric. I'm gonna continue. Go ahead, go ahead, Nate. Under the presumption that there is no backwards compatibility, this is just a presumption. The thing is, I don't know that they're shooting themselves in the foot because Pokemon doesn't seem to have the evergreen-ness that other games do. So when they drop it on the old system, okay, cool. It's got that audience. It's going to sell whatever. They could just wait six months and then drop a version on the new system. And you can shake your head and go, other companies have done it. Now, Pokemon company hasn't, but... But there's a reason why. I know that you don't play Pokemon as intensely as myself. You can just say I don't play Pokemon and call it a day. Well, I know you've given a chance. I don't want to say that. But the thing is huge with Pokemon and millions and millions of players, because they sell so many. So many of those players are about transferring Pokemon from previous games. And being able to trade and transfer all that stuff, like, it's so hard not to have a platform. They can still do that. They can still do that. What's that? Isn't that through a separate application? So why won't they just be able to do that? You can still trade any of the games that came out this gen with the exception of some of them. You can still trade Sword and Shield to Scarlet and Violet. And? So it's just like... I don't know. It just... To me, like, I don't know. What Andres was saying just makes so much more sense. Well, we're using Nintendo accounts now. You can... What does this have to do with anything? You can just... Okay. So let's say you trade in your Switch to get a Switch, too. How are you going to transfer your Sword and Shield stuff to the Scarlet and Violet Pokemon home? That sounds like a you problem. That's a big problem. No matter what. Or they want a new game, a new Pokemon game. Sorry. We're not all playing that in our next box, okay? Like, sorry. Some of us like Pokemon. That is another thing, though. Because they're going to eventually have exclusive Pokemon game. But, shoot, it's the same problem. I'm confused. I don't really understand. Yes, you could technically... If you could get Pokemon Bank. It's not Pokemon Bank anymore. It's called Pokemon Home, right? Pokemon Home. Pokemon Bank was a 3DS app. So you could technically get... Transfer all your Pokemon to Pokemon Home on your Switch and then download Pokemon Home on Switch, too. Um, like, that is possible. But also, if you have the game on your Switch, you just... You can upload it to Pokemon Home from your Switch, too, if it goes backwards compatible. But the problem with that is, and again, this is, like... Not, like, avid Pokemon players won't know. This is like standard practice now. There's only 400 Pokemon in any given new Pokemon game that comes out for the Switch. And there's over... Like, there's almost 1,100 Pokemon in total. So you could take all your Pokemon in the previous Switch games, transfer them to Pokemon Home, and then only have access to a third of them. Not even a third of them, because 100 of them are going to be new Pokemon. So, like, 20... You're only going to have access to 25% of your Pokemon. Some people are going to want to play... Replay the old games, use those Pokemon that they have. But I mean, there's, like... I don't know what I'm confused. I'm confused how that's a problem. That's how the... That's literally how it works today. If you want to play your old Pokemon games, you have to have the old systems. What are we talking about? But there is a Pokemon game on Switch to have every Pokemon ever made now, and they're all on Switch. What? Like, every... So if you take all the Pokemon games on Switch, all 1,100 Pokemon are in at least one of them. Okay. Does that make sense? Okay. So it doesn't matter. You don't have the old Pokemon games. You can catch and have every Pokemon that exists just with the Switch games. Is that actually true? I have no idea. Yeah, it is true. It is true. You can't... Because they start with the limitations with Sword and Shield, didn't they? Right. So you can only have 800 of the Pokemon in Sword and Shield. But you can have... There's 600 you can have in Scarlet and Violet. And when you take all of the games together, they will... It goes out that every Pokemon every Pokemon appears on... It's scary. It's like... It's so convoluted, hard to explain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I was like... You get what I'm saying now. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, but I don't really... I still really get what the problem is. Like, if you want to play with your old Pokemon, that's not in the new game. You still would have to play a game on an old system. Right. So you would want to play the old game. And if you traded it, if you sold your original Switch, now you can. Okay. And if I sold my 3DS, I can't play the old one. What's different about it, Nate, is before it was all tied to your 3DS, which was like a handheld console. So most people kept that and kept their Switch, which is why as these games were trickled out to the Switch, people were still able to transfer their Pokemon from their 3DS to the Switch. And, but now it's like, it's a console that almost will replace for a lot of people the original Switch. Maybe it's just a Pokemon nerd thing, but to me, that's like, agreed. But there was a DS exclusive Pokemon game that dropped all 3DS was all right. I don't really... I'm just really curious. Yeah, like, you can transfer... You can play DS. Exactly. It was backwards compatible though. You could play DS games. I know, I understand that. I just... It seems like a weird argument because it feels like you're saying if I want to play an old game while I sold the systems, so now I can't play it. Well, yeah, but you know... Unless it's backwards compatible, then you could... If it wasn't backwards compatible, you'd know that you're giving up being able to play that game. Let me try to connect things. Let us changeably touch our tips. I was just saying that. I'm just saying that. By the way, I think there's going to be backwards compatibility. I want to make that very clear. This is the devil's advocate take of hello, are so many Pokemon games on 3D... Look at the fire. Obviously. You can't play any of those on Switch. So what are we talking about? So, correct me if I'm wrong. I just want to try and connect that the points are being made here. I believe ultimately, the point that Jake is making is that a lot of Pokemon fans want to have access to all their Pokemon. And if you don't have the backwards compatibility, and you want to buy Switch 2, if you sell your Switch to do that, don't sell your Switch. But then the thing is, a lot of people will want to sell their Switch to get a Switch 2. So they kind of do that. But the value of your Switch is going to tank anyways. Yeah. I mean, what are you going to do? Get 80 bucks? Well, but I mean, the point is it... Andre, that's exactly what I'm saying. You're getting at exactly what I'm saying. The point is though, is that less people would buy Switch 2 then. How would the less people buy it? Well, hold on. Just hold on a second. Let me talk about it. The point to be made here isn't that this would be the sole reason why it should happen. But it's another drop in the bucket as to why it makes more sense that it's backwards compatible. But why wasn't this a problem going from 3DS to Switch then? Because people kept their 3DS because it was a handheld well-to-home console. Well, actually, what it actually was a problem. National Dex... A Switch 2 is an actual replacement for the Switch. A lot of people... A Switch 2 is an actual replacement for 3DS. A 3DS was a totally different thing with its own... It was a hand. They're both... Are they not both handhelds? Go grab your Switch and get a handheld. You... Listen. It happens. You're being stupid right now because you know that there's a huge difference. Yeah, it's a hybrid. It's both a replacement for 3DS and Wii U. But the thing is they have their own ecosystem of games. The Switch 2 is in the same ecosystem of games. What are we talking about? Well, hold on a second though. So, the thing is... I don't get it. It makes no sense. No, it's not. Like, that's like playing with PS4 and PS4 of different ecosystems. No, they don't. That's Sony's problem. They made it not have a different ecosystem. That's not enough. Nintendo systems. There were several handhelds in a row where Pokemon just were able to transfer over. They had to do... They... Yes, they were... They had no choice but to do a hard switch over. There was no choice. But to then do it again just one generation afterwards, when before was several generations... You know, it's not a desirable outcome. It's not the sole reason why there should be backwards compatibility, but it's just another additional consideration. Yeah, and again, I do think there will be backwards compatibility. I've been very... Nintendo's got a long history of one generation of backwards compatibility and they're still going to have cartridges from what we're hearing. So, like, yeah, I feel like this is going to be backwards compatible. Eric, Eric, Eric, Eric, Eric, Eric. You agree with me and Andres, right? He's been very loud about this in time and time. Completely deafening. Yeah. I honestly don't know. Yeah, I'm just not... You're good. I mean, literally, there's easy solutions too. Like, oh, you want to play the old game because you want to ask the old Pokemon. Well, you can put all the Pokemon on Pokemon at home and then you remaster the old games. But you already... You just did that. Why would you remaster Diamond and Pearl when you just did it and you did a bad job? Because you did a bad job. So... No, but there's the next generation to remaster. They always have to have another one. Let them get a bad job. So that's why you do it. But they do a bad job with all their games. So it's not like it's just... They're going to remaster the old games. You just play the old games. If they have to do one a year, it always has to be a new one. That's what I'm saying. That's almost... We're on record at the moment. Jake just said they're all a bad job. So we're talking about a franchise that every game is bad. Got it. That still sells a lot. The remakes are always a bad job. Yes. But they need to do a different one every time. And you know this. This isn't even a debate. I know. I'm saying, dude, I'm saying we're entering the realm of remasters and remakes. So why can't they just remaster the old games and bring them back? Listen. Why can't they? They can do whatever they want. But if we're just talking about remasters... They just remade in 2019. What makes more sense? They're going to go with Gen 5 or Gen 2. They could remaster Sword and Shield. I don't know. It's the Pokemon Company. I would never... That's all hook. That's all hook. What makes more sense though, right? What makes more sense? Pokemon companies still being on operate on the typical ecosystem they tend to do, or they're going to start to do a whole bunch of different things. Because what you're suggesting is they completely change their strategies. Broccoli remasters of the game six months later. We're going to bring it off the switch. How is this a change? They just did it. They just did it. We just went 3DS hard switch to switch. I'm so confused because 3DS were handheld only games. They weren't hybrid. They weren't console games. Dude, they still haven't made a console Pokemon game. What are we talking about? I disagree. That's a different argument. I'm just... It's a different argument. It's not relevant. Him mentioning that, oh, it's different because Switch is a home country. Dude, it's a handheld. It uses literally all the technology with the screen. Does it have a screen? Does every switch come with it? There's no switch that doesn't switch. It's literally... Take off your hands right now. It comes FaceTime me and we're going to work this out. Turn off your webcam. No. Actually, yes, there is a switch. What do you think it is? I agree there's going to be backwards compatibility, but also if there isn't, I don't think Pokemon is going to be anything anyone's concerned about. Some Pokemon fans might be sad and the argument is just don't get rid of your damn switch. So this is why the Pokemon thing makes sense. Just because Pokemon is a big, big money maker for Nintendo and having Pokemon available, one on the Switch one obviously because that's what Pokemon company wants, but also available for Switch two because it does help it. If Pokemon is not playable on Switch two for the holidays, that is a problem. Is it a problem that they can get over for sure? But it's not a good thing. Right? The same way backwards compatibility. Nate, I let you sway me last week. I'm not going down that slippery slope to be clear. We're just talking about one Pokemon game, right? Right? Like what do you mean? Right? Wait, what? It's no, it's not necessarily just one Pokemon game. It's however many Pokemon games come out until the rain move on to the next console. Okay. And why aren't they ready to move on to the next console? What's the reason? Obviously the answer is because they want, well, there's actually more than one reason, one reason that I think that's the reason that you're steering me towards is because they're waiting for more, the install base. But the second reason is because development cycles, they need to be ready to put out that next game. I mean, I don't want to, look, I'll say this about your second reason. I'll never buy the second reason because if that means that Game Freak would not have had access to Switch before anybody else switched. Okay, here's my last argument. My last argument why it would be stupid for Pokemon to not have backwards compatibility. For those, there's a lot of people that like Pokemon is their main game. They play it the only way it would make sense for it to not be backwards compatible is if there was a brand new Pokemon day one launch title of full-blown Pokemon. Otherwise they're telling all the people that play Pokemon. Yeah, you can transfer your Pokemon Pokemon home and just not play Pokemon for the next year until a new Pokemon. A majority of people that play Pokemon aren't going to have a Switch during that time anyways. That's like the whole reason they don't, they don't bring over that early in the gen. Pokemon fans wouldn't ever want to do that. They're not going to have Switch, too. But the thing is usually, right, when a new system comes out, there's going to be enough of them in the market for the matter at that point. Listen, I've been usually an early adopter for handheld Nintendo systems and I've also been a big Pokemon fan. I think Jake isn't the same, but it is me. No. We tend to play our, that we tend to play the Pokemon, even though they were made for the prior system, we play those games on the new system. There is still an audience for that and it does hurt you. It's not, again, it's not the only point, but it does hurt you. You don't, if you don't have backwards compatibility, you are losing out on some sales. That's a fact. Now, obviously, that's not the only reason why they should do it. Because it makes a presumption that people that own Switch, too, if they really wanted to play Pokemon wouldn't have held onto their Switch to play it. It's an assumption being made. I'm, my presumption is if they release it there and then they wait and then they re-release it on Switch, too, again, they get a double bump in sales twice. It might actually be tomorrow. I'll just say this. If they want an extra 30 million people buying their system, they'll let them play their Pokemon games backwards compatible. If they want those 30 million people to wait till the next Pokemon game comes out and they don't want to sell 30 million extra units at launch, then, yeah, they won't have to sell 30 million extra units at launch. It's only going to be like, how many Switch twos do you guys think are going to be sold through the holiday next year? Like, how many realistically do you think Switch two customers will exist? More than you think. If it drops in March, maybe 30 million top. But I don't mean like, I mean like, as they are available. Oh, whoa. That would be an all-time record. So, if they could sell 15 million in its first fiscal year? Yeah, it was about 15 million. I think they're intending for a, I think Nintendo's aiming for a similar number, if not more. Okay, but it's not probably releasing in March of next year. So, there's going to be less than 15 million. No, but they're going to get the majority of those out by the end of the holiday. Depends on what it launches. You know, like, it's September, I think realistically, you might only have like 6 million people with one. And I'm not going to be a Debbie Downer. It's just like, it's only a few months of sales. It's going to be sold out. It's going to be hard to get. Other platforms are dropping as well. So, the consumers are going to be trying to buy, you know, the new Xboxes, the new Play Stations. Other games are coming out for the little system because they should be in their heyday. They should start getting slapped in with games. So, now Nintendo's competing in that market. And then on top of that, hey, we are fighting that manufacturing to get as many of these things made. We've heard from the ports that Nintendo's trying to get out a lot. Sure. And the reports were that they would start mass manufacturing by the end of the year. So, the reason why Nintendo wouldn't release a system earlier is because of trying to get enough units so they can have a massive launch. They're not trying to have a small launch. They want to have a big launch. Obviously, that's a relative term, small thing. We don't know what that actually equates to for an actual number. Right? So, we can argue this all day. We don't have the answer. We don't. We don't. But anyways, beyond the Pokemon point, right? Like, I mean, even in your video today, right? You mentioned how there is another source that indicated that they've heard about backwards compatibility. And, but there weren't, there were some uncertainty. And I think what's interesting about that is goes back to like the initial report we got about backwards compatibility like a month or so ago. If you're getting multiple, if you're hearing from multiple developers and some are saying backwards compatibility and some are saying not, my interpretation of that is that some people don't have access to backwards compatibility yet. But the fact that it exists suggests that they can totally do it. It would be Nintendo making some sort of decision to not do it. And the problem with that is that as we've discussed before, getting backwards compatibility on the system is not an easy thing to do. So, they would have to actually most likely have to have done some sort of R&D to get backwards compatibility working. I mean, there are some developers that have dev kits to have backwards compatibility. That means they already put the investment into doing it. So, wouldn't it be weird for them to not do it when they already put the investment into it? At least we can all agree on one thing. If they do have backwards compatible compatibility, the only reason why is because of Pokemon and Nate was wrong. Let's, so if they have backwards compatibility, when it comes out, it's okay, Nate, you don't have to say anything. We all know that's the reason. Too bad. I'm going to address the name of this. No, so I'm just probably like, you were saying what third parties had to, for there to be this confusion, some third parties are put in time to port or like make it back. Like, what did you just say about third parties? I don't think you understood my point. Yes, that's why I'm trying to get you to re-clarify, but Jake, you're up to me. Yeah, let me try and explain my point better. So, the point I was making is that we've heard from different developers that there is backwards compatibility. We've heard from other developers that there isn't backwards compatibility. So, the implication would be that there are different dev kits out there that offer different features. Sure. Okay, so we're on the same page now, but what we also understand is that getting backwards compatibility to work is not just the flick of a switch. It requires some R&D and to come up with a solution. For Nintendo, yeah. Correct, right. So, if some of the Nintendo Switch 2's dev kits have backwards compatibility, that would imply they already went through the research and development to get that working. So, why would they make that investment to not actually have it in the system? I would say that would be... I'm not saying it's impossible that they would forgo it, but it would be them accepting a loss. And again, we all agreed that there's going to be backwards compatibility, even when playing devils... The point is, though, is that when you consider what I just illustrated, hopefully well, that it just makes it unlikely that there won't be backwards compatibility or rather likely that there will be... The devils' advocate responses, these are all unverified reports. Sure, nothing's confirmed, but if we're going to bet money, I'm betting my money on backwards compatibility. I actually... It's confirmed... I talked to the Pokemon company and they confirmed that they fought for... Well, I mean, I have an unpopular opinion about Pokemon anyways. Let's go, let's go. They completely made a mistake when they even put in transferring your Pokemon. They should have all just been self-contained games. Oh, you... Oh, this doesn't make any sense. He just went to... By the way, I would actually... I agree with them. I'd prefer Pokemon if it was that way, but it's not. And because it's never been that way... Oh, I know, I know. Pokemon fans are going to... Oh, I know they are. They're going to burn me down. They're going to stick you in that fire pit. Oh, I know. I want Pokemon to be that way, but it's not going to be that way. I thought they made a mistake when they did that to begin with, but... Yeah, so did I, but... I mean, there's a reason why they had to throw it. Got to catch them all. Yeah, you can't go back now, though. Too late to do it. They never... For those that aren't wondering... Let me ask you a clarifying question on that, Eric. Do you mean like, you wish every standalone Pokemon game had access to every Pokemon within it? No. No, just its own Pokemon. Yeah, self-contained games. And you see, you're sitting there going like this because Pokemon's never been that way, but Zelda's that way. Mario's that way. So many video games are self-contained. So it's like, you could have self-contained in that each generation about those... I'm gonna self-contain all over your face. I'm sorry, I was beaten over the head with Got to Catch Them All. So... You hear 1,100 Pokemon, you're like... You don't have to catch them all. You can play them as self-contained games if you wish. Having an extra option isn't a bad thing. Yeah, but CJ, we have to understand is when a child is beaten into their head that you got to catch them all and that's the point of playing the games. They only said that in Gen 1, then they removed the slogan. I would be careful with that. What Gen 2 is when they stop saying that, I think. What Gen sold the most again? Which one had the biggest, largest fan base? I don't know which one sold the most, but... They stopped using Got to Catch Them All as a slogan after Gen 2. So they stopped it in the anime as well? The anime is not a big deal. Like the game song? They were related. I know they were separate stories, but it was the whole... They got to catch them all phrase. It wasn't just like a one-off. Oh, it appeared in a game one day and then vanished the next day. It was taken out of the box art for Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire. Okay. Between January, it dropped sometime between January, 2003 and March, 2003. Okay. 20 years ago. And I'm 37. When did the original Pokemon come out? What does that matter to you? Most Pokemon players aren't. We're talking about from the very beginning of the series that we would have preferred it this way. We're not talking about just having the camera. That was when there was like 300 Pokemon max. Once they started adding more than that, they dropped that. And then they had the Gen 2. Gen 2 could have been self-contained. But I know it sounds crazy today because Pokemon's never been that way. That's why when he brought it up, I was like, oh, I can't believe he went there. But I agree that I wish Pokemon... You made me mad, Eric. I thought we were friends. Sorry. I know. I love you still. But... Well, so the self-contained Pokemon thing, I mean, the appeal of it is, it forces you to let go of those prior Pokemon and focus on what's just in this game. Not just that. It's... Some of it is just the overwhelming amount of sheer Pokemon that it's like... If I wanted to catch... Optional, you do... You can catch six Pokemon and beat any Pokemon game. But if I wanted to... But most people don't play Pokemon... Well, like, I shouldn't say most people. I will say that for us growing up, the point of Pokemon is to catch them all. And that's still true to me. That's not true. Most people never caught them all in Gen 1. They just beat the Elite Four. It's also a relative term. Catch them all in the game. You got to remember... But yes, you're right. Catch them all in the game. That's why every... That's why every game that comes out only has 400. So you can catch them all and get your complete Pokedex with only 400. That's why every game is like that now. So they are self-contained if you want them to be. And you can still get it like... Oaks... All right, I have it. I have a... I have like today's games, though, where like they don't have the giant National Dex anymore. But let's be real here. How many people actually catch them all? That is a strong... Okay. No, you haven't. When was the last thing you caught them all? Pokemon Legends Arceus. Oh, okay. Nice. I thought you didn't play Pokemon games. That's a good Pokemon game. I'm sorry that they don't make them very often. My bad. Hopefully we get another one next year. I love that. I love that empty tech demo. Because as much as the pack is compatible, people will play on the Switch too. And Legends Arceus is the highest rate of Pokemon game since... Gosh. What's it been, 20 years? Empty tech demo seems to be better than every other Pokemon game according to the critics. All right, so moving on. Sorry, I just had to throw that out there. Jawbreaker! I had to throw that out there. $5 says not having backwards compatibility would be insane to Switch as a massive library in Snowbase. Why the hell would they want it to start over? And I agree. To be clear, I was playing Devil's Advocate. I think we're going to get backwards compatibility and internalize the history of it. It makes a lot of... You heard it all. You heard it here. He was playing Devil's Advocate. He knows that Pokemon would never let it not be backwards compatible. He doesn't believe that over anything Nintendo does to be clear. There's no say. Pokemon doesn't have that kind of... Yeah, hold on, hold on. Nintendo would never do anything because of Pokemon Company, that's true. Let me argue against that point Nate just made. All right, let me ask you this question. What's more important to Nintendo? Capcom or Pokemon? Probably Pokemon. They own the IP. All right, so and then... All right, so you agree with that point? Right, so you agree with the RAM thing? Yeah, you know exactly where I'm going. So if Capcom had this way to get Nintendo to put an additional gigabyte of RAM, which was 30% more RAM on the Switch, then... Unverified report. Sure. Okay, but do you think it's likely? I don't know. It could have been more than just Capcom requesting it, and they're just the name they got thrown out there. I know they're the only third-party company that told Nintendo we want more RAM. So do you think they're the only third-party company that told Nintendo we want more RAM? I think they're the only third-party company that told Nintendo we want more RAM. So do you think Capcom influenced it or not? Do you think it was part of the decision? Yeah, what do you think? I don't know. I've never... I've literally never been involved with Nintendo discussing hardware with other companies. So what do you think then? I think that everyone was requesting more RAM. Let's look at the top 10 best-selling games on Switch. Capcom got named because that was the source of the report. Like the guy knew someone at Capcom, so that was like the source for the report. But I don't think they're the only ones that were telling Nintendo we want more RAM. I think... I don't know. I think they're the only four credit. Do you think that them being one of them, if they were influential? I mean, in the Pokemon... Do you think that's the most important thing to consider? Because I believe that original report said source is close to Capcom. And it's like, well, only Nintendo knows if that was the big influence or not. So you're not going to answer a question. Okay. No, I did answer the question. You just didn't like my answer. No, what my question was, even if it was hundreds, do you think Capcom being one of them influenced it at all? Do you think Nintendo took them into consideration if Capcom was one of them? Do you think they took that into consideration? I think they would have been considered without Capcom. So what's the point? So with Capcom, they definitely did then, right? No, I don't think any more than any other company. You're trying to just say, yeah. Not any more than any other company, but they took that... That did... They did that in consideration, right? That's all I'm saying. Okay, I don't know what the point to it is. I'm saying that I don't think they listened to Capcom specifically to make this decision. It was a general... Sure, right. I get what you're saying that. I'm just saying, do you think them being one of the companies added to it? If it was 11 companies without Capcom, do you think Capcom being the 12, hypothetically, would have given them more... No. ...influence? No. No? No. Okay. Yeah. If 11 major third-party companies are like, hey... No, you think that if Capcom said we would like 12 gigabytes of RAM, Nintendo would have just not taken that in consideration at all. 12 gigabytes of RAM? They were never going to do that for Switch 2. Well, Switch 2, I don't think they consulted anyone, but NVIDIA themselves. They're doing the consulting now. That's what all the dev kits and the gamescom stuff is, and no one's complaining. So I don't really know what the problem is. Okay. I was saying that we're talking about something that happened a long time ago, and yeah, trying to bring up this point that Nintendo would listen more to the Pokemon company, or in this case, Game Freak, than other companies. And well, yeah, of course they would, because Nintendo owns Pokemon. They don't own anything Capcom says. Right, so here's a crazy stat for you. Fine. I just don't think the Pokemon company makes those kind of requests. Right. So there have been over a billion software sales for Nintendo Switch. Sure. I'm looking at the site. It's 1,088 million. If you add up the mainline Pokemon games, you get about 94 million, which is a little bit under 10% of the total software sales of Nintendo Switch. Sure. You're going to tell me they don't have Sway? That's Sway. Right, that's a big number. That's Sway? That's a big ratio of your software sales, which by the way, Nintendo is over and over again. I know it happens, yeah. And then, you know, obviously a lot of those software sales come from third parties as well, right, but Pokemon is not third party. I don't know what the cut is, but I'm assuming Nintendo makes more from Pokemon sales than they do from third-party sales, but I don't know that for a fact. Yeah, I don't know what the cuts are, yeah. Yeah. Point is though, Pokemon games take, they're a big ratio of the total software sales for Nintendo. They absolutely have Sway. I just don't think they've ever made hardware requests. I don't think they care. And I think you can see that in the games that they make. I don't think they really care. They just make it for whatever they're given. I don't think they care about hardware requests in terms of like power, capability, anything like that, but stuff that would directly relate to transferring Pokemon and the ability to play games on a different platform. You think Pokemon company that ended the National Dex cares? Absolutely, because they care about money. That's all they care about. You just care about sales. You care about sales, that's it. I actually, exactly. Exactly. So let me tell you this. Everyone thought it would hurt sales when they ended the National Dex and then they went on to release back to back. How many Pokemon home subscriptions? That is bogus. Let me tell you something about Pokemon home. This is the best one I can make. Sure. Pokemon home, if you let your subscription lapse, all of the Pokemon that you have inside there, if you've transferred every Pokemon you have from all of your Switch games to Pokemon home, and you let your subscription lapse, all your Pokemon stay in there for free until you renew your subscription. Yeah. So how many subscriptions do you think would lapse if the Switch 2 came out without a new Pokemon game and people just transferred their Pokemon in? Now, would some people keep playing and keep their original Switch? Of course. But how many subscriptions are losing subscriptions? Why would they lose subscriptions? Because that would be the only way to bring Pokemon from Switch to Switch 2. So why would why? There's no game they can play on Switch 2 unless there's more. But there will be eventually. Why would they cancel that? So why keep paying for it? Until that game comes out, subscriptions would go down. And that is why case closed. I'm confused because maybe you still want to access Pokemon from the prior games before Switch. Then you wouldn't transfer them in the Pokemon home. You're thinking that they never would transfer them in the Pokemon home? Not until the new game came out. But if there's a new game on Switch and they wanted to transfer the Pokemon from their old game because you're using this thing, oh, they would sell their Switch to buy a Switch 2. Well, they could sell their own. There's no new Pokemon games to buy new Pokemon games. They can do that. They can do all that now. There's no new Pokemon game coming out for Switch. I love the way he just yanked himself like that. You might be back. I don't know if you'll actually be back. I have no idea. That was a great access. That was a... Anyways, no, I'm saying that people can people, some people sell their Pokemon games to buy new Pokemon games too. But the only way they still have access to Pokemon is if they put them at home and if they want to transfer the new Pokemon games. But there is no new Pokemon game coming out. It's going to be a new Pokemon game probably next year, right? Is that something we can... For Switch 2. For Switch 2. You think it's a Switch 2 exclusive game? Not exclusive. They can just let their subscription lapse and then if they want to do it, they'll re-up their Pokemon. I don't know why they're confused. Why would they want... I'm confused. So you're saying they would let their subscription lapse if a new Pokemon game comes out because it's not on Switch 2? No, no, no. They would let it lapse until that game came out. But won't... Don't they do that already? I mean... Why would they just do that already? If you're done playing the Pokemon game and you transferred your Pokemon, I'm done paying till the next income. I'm confused. That doesn't make any sense. But there would be a lot more people doing it if they were trading in their Switches for a Switch 2. Because not every Pokemon player is a die-hard Pokemon. If a brand new Pokemon game came out, they probably aren't trading in their Switch. What do you... If a brand new game came out that was exclusive to Switch, while Switch 2 was out, why would they... If they're that big of a Pokemon fan, why would they be trading in their Switch? They're just going to play the new Pokemon game. Well, not all Pokemon players are that big of Pokemon fans. Not all Pokemon home subscribers are that big of Pokemon fans. It just makes sense for the Pokemon company to give people that have a subscription to home a reason to keep it. I mean... I have some opinions on home that I don't want to get into. Andres, what's up? Should we move on? Yeah. Well, I have a couple more things I have to share from... I think we just disagree, and I think we're just going to have to move on. There are still a few Pokemon, so it's Trend Tendo, even with the leaked DLC that will not be on Nintendo Switch, like the Elemental Monkeys. Pokemon on Switch 2 will not be any problem, in my opinion. I don't know. Were you backing me up on that one? I'm mentioning that technically... I think he's backing me up, yeah. Yeah, I think he's saying technically they're not all available on Switch, is what he's trying to say. So it's already technically a problem, depending on if the... I mean, it just is a problem, I guess. It's a straight up account of what he's saying. But most of them... To Jake's point, most of them are available. I think it's how many... So on the chat, it was six out of, like, nearly 1,100. Yeah. Well, it could be more than that, too, because I didn't know that. Yeah. So maybe there's other special use cases where maybe there's something that isn't on Switch. I don't have enough knowledge of, like, the Pokemon themselves, like, in any of that to know. I don't have to look into the leaked Pokemon thing. I'm not sure about these elemental monkeys. Yeah, maybe something to come back in the DLC. I'm seeing an article on GameRant that says, this was five days ago, and they might be adding a lot more to the DLC, but it says, as of five days ago, they are 21 Pokemon that you can now... That you can now get on Switch at all. Yeah, but we still have Wave 2. Yeah, we still have Wave 2, so who knows if they get that on Switch. So that might be reduced, but he could be right that there's still going to be a few missing in the next DLC. Well, the other thing is, why does it matter? Because there's going to be a Pokemon game coming up. Oh, it'll go down to nine. It says an article. There'll be nine missing. Okay. All right. So that was that one. I just wanted to bring that up. And then, I think we did the Jawbreaker one here. So that one's good. We have Joshua David coming in just saying thanks for gifted membership. So yeah, you're welcome, David. You can probably thank Bama Hut. No, I think it was just Bama Hut. I don't know. You don't know if he got it today, though. He might not have been gifted today. Oh, true, true, yeah. We had a... We've had over a hundred gifted memberships this week, so I don't know. Yeah, you're right. It could be from anyone. And then the last actual question, I figured this would be a great one to end the show on. Taker610 says, does Quaker Oats come in the box? I think this is directed at Jake. Does Quaker Oats come in the box? Forever, I'm going to... If this Brooklyn system comes out and it is that cylindrical shape, I think I'm going to call it the Quaker Oats system now. It comes in a tube. It's a canister. There you go. It's a canister. I don't know why I didn't think of this earlier, but it's a canister. But what is the definition of canister? That's where if it says box, I'm going to... It's a cylindrical box. It's a cylindrical box. That would... If it says it's a cylindrical box, then we know that the word for cylindrical box going forward is canister. So if it says that, that just brings it on. It's a cylindrical container. Yes. Okay, it doesn't say box. So there is a difference between the box and the canister. But canister can open up. Technically... Oh yeah, the open up thing can be added. We'll still get a box. Technically, it's not a box or a canister. None of the Xbox or boxes, because you can't open them. Oh, it's what it stores. It's actually... Canister is specifically for storing food, chemicals or rolls of film. Xbox is kind of... Because it does not say that's typically used. It's saying it's literally... That's what makes it a canister. But typically of metal. Yeah, typically made of metal, but it doesn't have to be. Right. But it is used for storing food, as the definition of a tube. I like the name X-Tube. Well, yeah. Sounds like it's nearly familiar. Do not type that in Google. Yeah. A long hollow cylinder of metal, plastic gas for holding, transporting something chiefly liquids or gases. So it's similar to the other one, but it's sort of glass. So it's similar to the canister, but it's meant for carrying something different. Like gases and liquids. Yes. Got it. I'm not guessing. I was like... I was like... Because we use like those breathing tubes, then technically that's oxygen. That's a gas. Okay. So technically, yeah. All right. All right. So there is like a difference. It's like more targeted on what these specifically mean. But they're not boxes. Boxes don't have to have... Boxes don't have to... They don't have to be squares. They don't have to have four corners. Interesting. Well, I want to be at eight corners. So my question is, is quicker oats backwards compatible? Actually, no, that's a very good question. Because right now the Xbox Series X... No, no, the Xbox Series X is backwards compatible all the way back to Gen 1 using disks. You will not be able to do that if your collection is on disks on this new system. That's exactly what I was getting at. Exactly what you're getting at. Exactly. But it technically is for digital libraries. I mean, it's a series and it's still... It's being pinned as it's still a Series X, right? Just a variant of the Series X. Series X. You can play like your digital Xbox One games on Series S. So I guess the problem is what happens when you have a disk. Well, I mean, that's the whole point. It's an all digital system. Maybe they release a peripheral where you can get the disk. You know what they were saying? Wasn't it Sony that they were going to do it all digital but they were going to have a disk accessory or something like that? Wasn't that one of the rumors floating out there for a new system? A disk accessory. But I guess the question is, is a disk accessory used to just prove you have the game so you can download the game? Or is it used so you can run the game from the disk peripheral? I don't know. It's weird. I think it's more just an external disk drives exist. You can buy them through your laptop. It's not like a foreign concept. I would say, yes, that Quaker Oats is backwards compatible because the individually wrapped packages can go back into the canister. There you go. There you go. This is the most important thing to ask. And you do also, with Quaker Oats, you do have cross-platform play because you can mix your cereal whenever you want. Yeah? Yeah. This reminds me of what people ask. The one question in the chat from Entrain is a hotdog and sandwich. The answer is yes. But we don't call it that. It's a taco sandwich. Is it though? It's not two pieces of bread. You don't need two pieces of bread to make a sandwich. What? Oh, we'll cut it in half. You can fold the piece in half. Fold? You can cut it in half. Fold or cut? Wouldn't that be a sub? Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. One or what? Or would it be a gyro. Item of food consisting of two pieces of bread with meat, cheese, or other filling between them. Ah, so, so every time I literally fold the piece of bread in half with meat in it, I am not eating a sandwich. What the hell is that? You're eating a sub. You're eating a sub. But some funny subs have a top and bottom, like separate pieces. No, it's not really cut in half, like cut into. It's cut. Yeah, it's cut. Oh, maybe it's just called a hoagie. Okay. Oh, no, no. So if you're talking about it, it's a single piece of bread, but they cut it. Well, guess what? Where do you think your slices of bread came from? It was a single piece of bread that you cut. I'm confused. But you cut it into two pieces. Even two pieces. It's cut just partially. That is a difference. Definition of a sub. Hold on. But is a sub a sub of a sandwich? Is this a submarine sandwich? So does that mean that's right? So it's a sub definition of sandwich. Does that make sense? Different different meaning of sub. Yeah. Submarine category of sandwich. Holy. Okay. Okay. So here here we go. This is this is the thing. So a submarine sandwich, the difference is, is that it's actually considered a full loaf of bread that you put the food in versus two individual smaller slices of that loaf. So it's just, it's just, there's a difference. That's just a difference. So it doesn't have to be connected. It just has to be the whole loaf or. So what? It's half loaf, you know. What is it? Is there a distinction if it's connected? Is that like a hoagie? Like. Oh, that's a good question. Would that be considered? Is there a difference? The sub doesn't mean we have to be connected. I get what a sub is now. Yeah. That actually makes sense. Now that I read that, I was like, oh, you know what? That is, it is like a whole. Is cereal soup? Yes. I should have no idea. Well, no, because doesn't soup require a broth? No. No. The broth. Is it? What makes, what constitutes a broth? Liquid. Oh, no, no, no. Here's the thing. It does not. It is technically not considered on its own to be a soup because cereal is eatable without them. Like it's dry food. It's dry food. Okay. So if I give you a bowl of cereal with milk, would that be soup? No, that's it. It is. Does that qualify? Then it qualify. No, then it does qualify as a liquid food, which is what the soup is called. That's all a soup is, is this liquid food? Just like anything could be considered a salad, but it is soup. Yeah. Soup is very primary. So dry cereal is a salad, but cereal with milk is a soup. I guess technically. Technically, I mean. Well, okay. The thing is, though. Maybe we go on the map. Maybe we go on the map. Maybe we go on the map. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Fuck it. Fuck it. This is beautiful. Very pleasure. All right. So there is just as it's just liquid food. I would argue, I would argue, I think it doesn't have to have the pen. Well, there's I'm looking at definitions, right? And I'm seeing the Mary Webster Diction definition is, well, let me click the whole, the whole pursuit. Yes. A liquid food, especially with a meat, fish or vegetable stock as a base and off the containing pieces of solid food. But it's not so right. And that's that's the determining factor. If there was no especially, then you would think it needs to have meat, fish or vegetable stock. But if it seems to be implying that that's what it tends to have. Yeah. I've had fruit soups. I've had cold soups. I've had like watermelon soup from soup factory, but like mango soup. Yeah. So it's basically a liquid food is the only raw definition. And then they just say, but typically it has, but it doesn't have. Right. So technically any food would be soup. So if I put like cereal with water in a blender and blended it, back to a smoothie, a smoothie. It depends how liquidy it is. It's a smoothie. It turns into pure liquid because of all the water I add. How is a smoothie not a soup then? It is. It's a type of soup. It is. This is nuts. No, maybe it's not because they wouldn't have the consistency of a liquid. But no, a smoothie would liquid food. I've had cold soups, like I said, from the soup factory that are fruit soups that could pass for smoothies. Like it's a stream. Well, that's another question. I hate when people do this. Oh, the stream crap. Oh, he's gone. Yeah. I hate when people do that. Hate it. Did the whole stream die? Are we still here? No, no, we're still here. Oh, no, we're still we're still alive. Yeah. It's a cool idea. Oh, oh, something wrong because both of them are gone. It's it's back. Yeah. So we do hate it when people do that. That's on the stream yard. I'm surprised that like the stream kept going. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, it doesn't. That's one way to end. With a different stream. Yeah, I think you're still gone. Oh, no, he's sort of there. No, he's there taking a moment to come back on your end. We we have the master edition of the stream back here. It's fine. Anyways, well, that I think it's going to do it. We're going to go around the show, go around the show, go around the room, and just tell people what we got going on, where they can find us. I mean, this is the regular crew. So I think most people know what you never know. We do get new people watching every single week. But last week, do we have 4,400 views after the fact? That's that's we haven't had an episode do that forever. How are the two inch boner patrol over there? I guess he's just made it happen. Speaking of boner patrol, where could they find you? But what do you got going on? You guys to find me at Jake Randall. That's my stage name. Boner patrol is my legal name. That's why I go by it on here. But Jake Randall on YouTube or Twitter. There it is. No, Twitter doesn't exist on X. Got it. Got it. On X. No, no. Even when you're on YouTube, I'm not X dot com. Look up Jake Randall on X2. No, I'm not serious. So the X is that it's technically now X videos when you put a video up on there. No, they they they changed the account for that, too. I forget what they changed it to. But they called it now. No, I think they just made it video like. Oh, it's not an X video. And now it's just a video. Yeah. And like it what like Twitter videos that account like the official Twitter video. Just changing the X video just changed the video. So no, no, it's a reference to an adult website. So like. Yeah. I didn't think it through that was that really. I'm just rocking billions and just doing things for fun. I might just rebrand shit for exactly one pocket. Who cares what anyone else thinks is just, you know, I've always wanted something to be X and have it matter. I bought this thing. It's now X. Have a good day, Eric. We got going on. Where can they find you? I got nothing going on. I'm here. Well, that's lame. I'm here and you can follow me there on so called X. It's not so called. That's the official brand. I don't give a shit. I'm not calling it. It's the official brand. I don't care. I'm not calling it. It's called X and we see. We don't tweet. We see. No, you post. That's what they changed it to. It changes from Z. Now that was in their documentation. It was called a Z. Now it's posted. And if you if you look at the retweet button, like if you hover over, it's repost. Yeah, it's repost now. Yes. Yeah. And when you tweet, it's just post. So it's a forum. Yeah. And we decided to take the one thing they have that made them different. That was like something that another company would pay billions for to have their own brand recognition and they just got rid of it. Technically, it's it's a dude on my phone. It's a giant X. I mean, look, no other apps giving me that giant X. I'm still going to call it Twitter. That sucks. I'm just restart. What do you got going on? Where do they find you? You can find me at Andres restart on YouTube. I am in the middle of working on some potential subtle social media changes, just basically putting out my content on other platforms, thinking about it. We'll see. Don't hold me to it. But you may see it full time. Coming up. Finally, you do stuff showing up in other places like Facebook, Tech Talk, Instagram. So keep your eyes. Charm, I just feeds got to go somewhere. You didn't say no. Yeah. Oh. Samus in the bikini. Right over the suit. Anyway, yeah. So I make YouTube videos every day about Nintendo news and theories. I'm usually right. That's not true. I'm like, right. I feel good about I feel good about the 50ish percent eventually, like most people. All right. Well, obviously, you guys know who I am. So I'm going to say too much about it. Nintendo Prime, just type Nintendo Prime anywhere it'll pop up. Hopefully, good things pop up. Maybe bad things. I have no idea. I don't really control what your search shows you. You know, they base your search on your search history. So you let me know what you find. That being said, yeah, you can hear us on all podcast platforms. Well, soon. Technically, the audio version is down at the moment, but we'll be back up soon. So you can look forward to that. Otherwise, thank you. You guys can be back here next week, every week around 8 p.m. I say around because it never seemed to start quite on time. But if you get close someday, so maybe we'll start early one day. No, no. I don't know why I even said that. That's just not going to happen. No. All right, guys, you're awesome. Thank you for supporting the show. And we'll catch you same time next week. Love you guys. Soup, box, cylinders.