 our live show today and I'm very excited to have Polinha joining me today one of my dear friends from Belo Horizonte Brazil how are you doing today hi baby I'm all and I see you so right now I'm so happy and excited this spontaneous gathering yeah it's very spontaneous because we we talked about this for some days and then you were available yesterday and I was out yesterday so you have an event today in about two or two and a half hours but we have a spontaneous opening for us to join with with each other and with the whole universe so maybe we can start maybe you can start with your practice of um curso and melagres it's called in in Brazil of course in miracles in Brazil and maybe you can just share a little bit about your introduction or how we came together and there's a lot going on this is a very much of a centerpiece of your life so maybe you can just share with everyone so they get to know you a little bit better yeah sure I was my best here with my English but the curso miracles came to me in a very challenging life I was like I used to be like a seeker and I studied like many other paths before the course so everything you can imagine learning coaching uh pnl lpn I don't know in English I think they're the the good six programming that's it and uh a lot of attraction physics and quantum physics even medicine alternative and I think everything and I had like a movie so my heart wanted to go deeper and I created like a project that became a company because at the meeting time I was like a worker in the world like I was like a business girl I had all this playing for me like to to have like a career success and get married and all this like uh and uh I think when I got this I was so empty and so sad like I had many episodes of depression in my story and after like all this seeking not really finding I built this pro to try to save people I did that so the project was like it looked beautiful like it was like self development and like had many things that I started at the time oh hey guest a guest appearance oh adorable look at her eyes yeah she's she's gray stuff on the set here in the middle of our life and she's a very important part of learning actually she's my favorite angel my spirit sent to me yeah yeah so I built this project and this partner and everything was like growing so like we were like became famous and all this stuff suddenly like no one she felt choose so we had like this breaking up the end of the project and was like a devastation for me like I thought I think building building thought it was like doing something great for me and for the world but yeah wasn't and then I knew the course of miracles at the time like I studied like I'm going oh it's beautiful but after that I had a mystical experience experience with the book and deep prayer when I realized that I I had no idea what I was doing here in the world and I thought I did so then I remember like the day that I went to spirit and I didn't know at the time what that means like I just gave myself give my life everything and I because this partner she wanted to fight the the name of the project and I was like no I don't want to fight I want to honor this I in my heart tell me like something wrong and I said if I asked like I always felt guided but in my own way but it did ask it like directly and I said spirit if there's someone at that time I couldn't like Jesus but and I said like I love angels and fairies and I say okay if there's someone there please talk to me send me a single that I'm not me if I decided not to fight it uh you will be and then I I thought like I want to see a bird like if I if I meant to give her like everything we built like the name everything like the students tell me a bird today I'll just see a bird and feel and then the whole and I didn't see a bird and like I saw birds everywhere at that time I was living in Sao Paulo and in the end of the day I was like reading the book and starting to go to sleep and I was like switching off the lights of the bedroom but English because I saw this little bird with a holy spirit symbol I stood and gave me then at that time I didn't want to see and was there in my room the whole day and then I heard is this a bird though it's not and I said what is it and the spirit was talking directly this is a bird and then I start to cry on my knees and I say okay I give you my love to you everything yeah I did and everything changed like completely like everything I left my job I left my career all the heads and I started to feel guided like I heard like because like this this project we we did like and we had one next week that's why she wanted to fight for the name and my the person that had time like calling it I need you like the company for this event I need you there and I was like broken inside I was devastated but I think my my my trust grew mystical experience yeah and then I heard and you need I need you there oh my god I had no idea what I'm gonna how it's gonna be and when I was like arriving this hurt frequency them like like I fall in this frequency that I had in that Jesus really carried me like beyond all these attacks attack this partner starting to attack me on social media is very angry and angry of course now I know it's my reflection of my mind but at that time I felt attacked I felt judged it was terrible and then but spirit was carrying me beyond this frequency normal because I could I and I was like this in the course like the whole day and learning I could watch without this it's really so yeah that's amazing what's beautiful because I think that's so helpful first of all that you were a seeker and you you looked at so many paths you you gave your heart your mind to so many paths and we call that no leave no stone unturned you were turning up all the stones and seeking and I think many people can identify with that and then also I think many people can identify with this drive to be successful in the world even as a as a life coach even with a project that's we'll call it self development or human development that's that's very big in the world self help there's so many life coaches now and I think what's your journey is showing though that that when you really call on the spirit whatever name you use whether you're just praying to the angels or your higher self or your intuition that that there is an aspect where things start to fall away I had that too in my experience where things would fall away fall away and when they would fall away and it felt devastating I just wanted to to hide or run the other way and I and the spirit would take me right into meeting with the person or doing something that had been planned it's like kind of like walking through the fire and at the time it doesn't make sense like why would I just leaving this why would I go back this reminds me when I was I left a graduate program at the University of Cincinnati called school psychology and then I went into the same in the same building another major which was called educational foundations and so I had to face all what seemed to be scowling faces and eyes that were mad at me that thought I was a trader or a betrayer to the one program because I shifted to another program in graduate school and I thought of all the places just get me out of here and and the spirit was like saying no yeah you have to face every every person and see them without a grievance see beyond the anger see beyond the the challenge so for you it sounds like it was also that but it was also giving you the name of frequency the more that you would use and have used with the Holy Spirit with Jesus for some time now and that's been so there's so many miracles that came with that so you were even given the name and and to publicly speak to introduce the name because the people would say that's a heartbreaking story from a branding perspective you put so much energy and you build so much and then it's like a partner says I want it all just give it all to me and you got your bird sign and generously said take it that it takes some such humbleness and such steadfast devotion to really follow your intuition because you could probably find 20 people saying are you crazy you worked hard for that it would be like going through a divorce and just saying take everything and people all the friends going are you crazy this is you worked hard you need your share you should you should there should be a maybe a mediator to decide the name thing or you know a legal person and no no no the spirit was like I've got you I'm going to carry you and now tell us a little bit about frequency the more how how the miracles just came so fast yeah so fast at the beginning was so challenging because I had no idea what I was doing I still don't know every day I wake up from the frequency of old Jesus I need to ask every day but at the beginning I didn't know like I was like starting starting with the book so I didn't have the metaphysics so like deep in my mind so when I started like when I realized that I needed to go public my no you don't so every time I need to record a video or do I invite like I cried really really really hard for me like to and I was just watching my resistance and really judgments and these doubts but but they looked that I was like terrible that I didn't know how to just doing a I was crazy and all these things reflection you'd have like many friends at me Aline you did this company you're crazy and I just heard like spirit don't look back and I didn't like I I throw my CV away I throw like all the books we write as everything we did like many materials to the workshops and the events we did like I throw everything away and I never never looked back and it was so beautiful but it was so like confusing like it wasn't like it wasn't a huge conflict for me because I was like come on I'm calling you and I'm still suffering what's going on I need to get back I should get back and earn money and yeah yeah the back and forth in the mind because I think a lot of times feel people feel well if I have a mystical experience and I do what I'm guided to do that I should have an easy life and and it's almost like the angels are laughing like oh you're at the beginning you said yes that's wonderful you gave your life over that's wonderful but then all the unconscious darkness starts just coming up and then you do have feelings of going back to back to work back to it another plan try another plan b or something but you persevered I think that's the thing you stayed with it and and you you just have to let go of the judgmental thoughts that really are self criticisms whether they're coming from other people or whether they seem to be in our in our individual mind there's still just self criticisms yes and I still do like I still have thoughts and I think it's important to share with like all over the world because and Jesus knows that like without goals and come and go so do and I think he's feeling to share like one of the darkest moments we said a lot and when I after I said yes to Jesus spirit and to the course I started like I was in the very dark and I had this like this is crazy like I'm watching like around and I I saw different and and really crazy and then I had this prayer like how how can I follow what you were like saying in this book like it seems to me that it's impossible to live this in this world it seems impossible even like with all that miracle many things I had like many mystical experience like even that even then I was like doubting and I was like in the best and I and of course that state start to reflect in everything like in my relationship because after this event like I gave in I gave the spirit and I said okay you are in charge I'm not gonna use like where I'm gonna work who I'm gonna be with like you let me know in spirit bring me Gabriel that is my today and but at the beginning like he wasn't like he had like nothing that Paulie wanted like they know like this girl of like a perfect man like when I was like in instead of more like when my mind because for me is like the right mind when I was like we've got his right mind I knew that was like I knew and that the decision I made was but my mind wasn't training and I was like going to the middle the frequency of like in frequency of fear and and I had to question even this really because we were like gay like for I think was like we spent like many times well I was feeling like I had to move back to Belo Horizonte he lived to live with him but I was I had like like many doubts and really dark and so this prayer and we were like in here in this apartment we lived we were in the Jacuzzi we were like talking he said oh I'm feeling that I see you you ring some videos in English with someone and I was like shut up I was like having trouble record videos in Portuguese and now you're like sharing this vision that I'm videos in English and then he was like oh look at it it was you like he's talking about so Gabriel was like the bridge he's the angel Gabriel but I was so in dark like I couldn't like I just said no I can't talk about this course even in Portuguese English no shut up and because he loves to like and he was like hearing you reading the course and the lessons and he kept like going and I was in this dark but I looked to questioning like should I stay with him like what I'm doing with my life really and then I saw that you were like I saw an event in Brazil and I was like I have to go and I did and when I got there like you were showing the take me home movie and in the end of the take me home there was like a Jeffrey married and a piece of like come on like a movie about the course showing a marriage and so this really triggered me as I was saying and was so profound and to me like just to watch you guys leaving like the course really and I said yeah this is definitely an answer of my prayer like it is possible to live in this world and thank you Jesus to show doing that that's beautiful because I remember you took the flight from Belo Horizonte to Papalo and we were in this yoga center very kind of long narrow yoga center and it was it was showing the movie and it was pounding rain on the roof and and then I think you might be able to tell the story that after it you just heard some people talking about David's now going with Francis and Sava to do a retreat kind of out in the rural areas in the jungle so you you were intrigued about that and then the person that you happen to speak to in the lobby of the yoga retreat was was our friend Luis who was organizing the event and and looking bring people and invite people he's such a generous man you know here he is he he flies us down there and then he arranges a retreat in the jungle and then he just starts inviting people saying oh I took the birthday party for for my friend Fernanda I'm just going to start inviting guests and just so tell the story you were you ran into him at the yoga center and you really didn't have luggage you didn't have you weren't prepared to go off into the jungle for a retreat I think it was the first time that I really I felt the this divine providence because uh yeah I was really touched with and Terry with your presence like Francis was there I think there too is Vava and I was so touched and I this call I I heard the calling heard them talking that you're gonna do a retreat at that time I didn't have my I had nothing okay I need to go I have to be there and then uh I talked to one friend that was there say how how's gonna work like I want to be at that retreat and she was like oh no it's just like a private group is organizing and I said please and then he was like when I asked her this he was like finding out the the stuff and then she said him and then he looked at me and said what I didn't remember him but he was a friend of one boss that I had left my job I work like uh with a meditation in people and he I met him in one of these meditation and he remembered me and I said okay and I said I want to go to this retreat and he's like you know lucky because we had one place left because one year um I think I don't know what happened but she had to go so we had one place left and it's and I said what I said okay let's go I didn't ask how much was it how's gonna work if people barred me close and I was like we was actually yeah and I went and like then I had to say David thank you so much because after meeting you um the community like my my path with the course and I think yeah everything like my understanding my emotion my yeah I have no words to to thank you and to yeah we all felt you I think the very first morning we were just sitting around the the breakfast table and you were so curious and and just one question after the next and really I could feel your presence was very much like you were just saying oh this is I'm so drawn to this being my life's calling and and everyone could feel it I would go back and and uh Francis and so I would say wow Paulina did you see her wow she's so she's so sincere she's so authentic wow she she just showed up uh through a miracle and then it helped everybody go there because Louise had handpicked a whole group of people most of the people there that he handpicked were just they didn't even know the course they never had had heard of a course in miracles and what a deep dive we all took because a lot of them were very young and in terms of maybe in their 20s or or 30s and they were so curious they were like sponges uh I think Renata uh she was an actress she was there and oh curious questions questions you questions questions the whole group was like a like a sponge like a giant sponge and then finally when we got towards towards the end of the retreat we all took a walk down to a room a wooden building that would be like a room to show the movie and it was actually Louise had heard something it had the movie had something to do with it with an arc and I said an arc and I went oh that's got to be Evan Almighty and so we go in there and we have this deep movie about a modern day kind of Noah Noah's Ark listen and follow and and Evan Baxter was hilarious movie but once we got to the point toward the end of the movie where there was a giant storm and a flood the rains came pounding down on this wooden it looked like we were in the arc and then the the doors blew open uh and the rains blew in on us and everybody was like is it a movie what's happening because it looked like we were in an arc and the rains were pounding and it was a mystical experience I mean I remember to look on everyone's face they're like is this for real like is this is this always spirit playing with us and and the eyes Louise's eyes were so big like I can't I heard an arc oh I heard an arc and so I think he was like he was holding this thing like yeah like Noah had a stick he had one so I think what the whole point of all of those while the Holy Spirit and Jesus has so much fun with us when we just listen and follow you didn't even have just you just brought closed for one one night and then you were going to fly back to Bella Horizonte then everything shifted and then we find ourselves out in the jungle I still look at the photo our group photo the people are just so beaming and so happy because they're astonished like oh my gosh this this is really a pathway to God this is a real pathway to God it's not like a theory it's not like a theology so that was that was quite amazing and then since then you know I've come back there we've come back down to Brazil you've come to Mexico you've come to our living miracles monastery you had a snow miracle you don't see too much snow one day you walked out and you were I looked at my window here and you were like jumping and jumping like a little girl dancing in the snow like like it was like I said it looks like a snow miracle going on blizzard and Paulina is a happy little like a little girl in the snow just playing and playing yes and at the same day we had like sun shining we were like we went to we went to the chain on a road trip and then the the snow stopped the sun came out and then we were going to a restaurant and I was telling you about a guy there a farmer who I had met once who was so into God and then we go in we sit down the farmer is there and comes up and start looking you and Gabriel in rural Utah in the eye and speaking telling you your whole life about what you need to watch for and it was like prophesying and it's good that you both spoke English because we're you're in rural Duchenne County there and it was another miracle we just had so many miracles it was just amazing so the angel Gabriel has has now you've married him so now the angel Gabriel is the husband Gabriel and it's so beautiful because when I first met Gabriel I think you flew up to Mexico and then he came shortly thereafter and so I got to meet him and and I thought wow he's like a heavenly businessman he's a he's a pretty calm calm person for somebody who's who's kind of jet-setting around the world in a business and then just like you you went through so many radical shifts I guess these last years for Gabriel have been so radical just like you lost your company he's and you gave it away he's he's kind of he he kind of was away and then they wanted him to be the the chief officer and then so he's going through both of you like the fast unwinding of the ego and even building a house getting married and building a house and he was starting to sound a little more like uh like a friar like uh like st. Francis then we saw him and when he came here to the monastery they said did you see that man in the gathering room with the glowing eyes and I said yeah that's that's Paulina's husband Gabriel so the business self-concept is like wow he he met you and then he was the messenger at first and then all of a sudden he started going through this big unwinding he's not he's getting more same like and less uh less business like yes and it's so funny because yeah it's like this self-concept like that when we watch it like it doesn't make sense everyone like everyone is like he's identified with that and but it's been entertaining for him too and even with our relationship to really try course and we are so grateful to to to because of that because we have to go along here like practicing the course and sharing these ideas and at the beginning we had no idea what was going on with our relationship and we were like guided to to really clean the mind through our relationship so when we thought about uh say drugs uh many things that we needed to face it like using the using the course like to really heal the mind and to learn how to use this relationship like to heal the mind so it yeah it the beginning was challenging but now we're experiencing many miracles in our marriage day I can bring this ceremony everything was so and happened so many and yeah but it's yeah the music I heard you had a miracle song that came in before the the wedding and then you just knew that that would be before your wedding yes spirit gave beautiful song that called called um I chose you and in the lyrics like it says that um women we will leave mountains we will move mountains we will leave our knees and it's beautiful like how it was like true as a reminder like purpose for this marriage and then came this house that we had no idea how but we felt guided to buy it it is in the mountains close to the horizon here and we are like in this process gave this house to to the spirit and being challenging a lot of things with everything that you know about the white eating and our preferences like this even doubt many it's been very intensive this process of building this house no we don't want to be nothing the world only like let spirit uses everything like to to bless and to heal yeah that's that's like it's almost like a classic story of awakening like you you have your business kind of taken away from you very suddenly and then you kind of get down on your knees and and call on help and say okay i'm willing to give it all over and and then it sounds like you really really felt like i'm giving you my relationships over i'm giving my career i'm giving my life i'm giving my my future over to you spirit to you direct the way you tell me who i'm to be with you tell me what i'm to do spirit gave you the frequency the more it gave you the name uh laid everything out there's still where the struggles and then of course in relationships it's not only you have to deal with the the issues of drugs and sexuality and communication and all that which is everyone knows is is very intense in intimate relationships but then on top of that it sounds like both of you were unwound from your careers to be used as messengers kind of messengers of the spirit and and then there there were even family things my mom is saying when when will i have a when will you have a child and all the expectations that come in from family so you had to face all those and work through all those and then now with this house coming in you know it's it's interesting to build a house and to let it be a backdrop for healing all kinds of expectations come up and what about this and i i prefer this well i prefer that and and it's good when you start to see it all in that context of just forgiveness lessons of just releasing preferences and and grievances and judgments then you know it's not like you're really trying to build something in the world you're just following the guidance and it may look to the world like oh a happy married couple and oh they're building a house out in the row on the mountain um it sounds like a movie of the week and yet on the inside it's the intensity it's like the purging of of all the thoughts and the beliefs so yeah what a teaching device that you know you're you're kind of living out the you're living out the the dream that most people would say that's the dream you get married you build a house together you go off you live your lives together you grow old and you you die and you're going for eternal life through forgiveness which is a very different route than the common dream of time yeah yes as i said as i say always like looks like a fairy tale when we are like in the right and that is to like spirit is really uh guiding us and loving us yeah yeah it takes such faith too because i remember you told me recently that there was a time where you really were not feeling well you were not you were kind of feeling ill and then gabriel you joined and and kind of prayed and gabriel said yes we're to go out for a drive and you were thinking a drive i'm ill uh am i going to get into a car and yet you were telling me that it turned into the a miracle that's why the guidance is so important that you know uh the world would say well if you're ill you should you know go to bed or or just go to bed and take medicine but the guidance had a whole other direction and it turned into a wonderful experience too yes we were like in retreat we were doing the online tree uh i don't remember what was the thing i think was like two uh i don't know but we were like after the movie and after the movie workshop um i felt all this uh this comfort and intensity uh rising up and then i shared with gabriel and he was feeling too dry if i need to drive and i said hey let's go it was like so it was so uncertainly and so like i don't know it was so present and i said okay i trust you but i i definitely not feeling right i was really sick and um oh now elvis is here oh second one elvis could not miss this camera moment this live moment that he is a star and um when we went he's starting to drive and i have to put some music in the car and then i opened the hot fight and i i think i prayed really okay this gives something here and shuffle i i had a playlist on spot five called frequented one more that puts all the songs that you see and and then i many many times i go to the playlist and in the end uh spot five gives gives me a suggestion suggestions for other songs songs like and i put that that in the shuffle and then uh appeared like a song from jesus that was called take it that was it that's how the drive turned out take it to jesus and was like it is a beautiful song beautiful beautiful it's a jesus i think had like three minutes and then i closed my eyes where i need this time and this song like takes us take it to jesus and then i was liking this and and after i opened my my my eyes felt nothing like everything was a miracle oh that's so beautiful uh that's just that warms my heart i think everyone needs to hear the miracle experiences because for most people they they experience such darkness all their frailties all their fears all their vulnerabilities that were somewhat covered and hidden when you start practicing this force of miracles and really connecting with jesus in the spirit then it just flushes everything up and it's hard it's almost like going down white water rafting like in a in a rafting boat like down the amazon river uh to use a brazilian metaphor people would say yeah be careful with rafting in the amazon river uh during the rainy season because it can be such a strong current but i think it's helpful to share all the miracles because then you start to realize that you are carried even though it's it's the times the ego is judging it as a challenge it's too much uh the ego is saying go back to the past you you at least had a somewhat stable life in the past and now you're you're on the rapids you know and how can this be good you know the ego is always trying to put it down so it's it's just a beautiful adventure and then uh i think you were saying that you and gabriel were thinking of having a theater room in uh in your new house for like movie watching so yeah well i've kept that in mind i thought wow if i come down i've never been to bella horizonte and and uh that could be a fun uh movie retreat like a renovatio in uh in brazil that would be fun yeah we're gonna love that gabriel is like uh saying this like when their house would be ready we're gonna open and have like an opening with david and we are we are he he was like he's so inspired with this project drawing and we we're gonna have a movie room and a gathering room too and we are preparing place to receive like many people it's gonna have like many and yeah that's great well i know when we first connected here recently a few days ago on instagram we were you were saying uh well yeah i would like to you know do a an online talk together maybe on your youtube channel or uh instagram or something because you have a lot of things that you share with people obviously in in portuguese being in brazil so so we'll have to do this again um with somehow working translation but i i thought we could just have some fun today because if you were doing translation to portuguese for you and for me and the english that seems like it's more complicated but i think your english is great actually i think everybody who's tuning in would say you've expressed yourself so well so what a change from when you were in the hot tub with gabriel and he was he was giving you the prophecy and it's like stop stop i'm just meditating in the hot tub don't tell me i'm going to be doing english talks with somebody who i don't even know uh i you know that was like way out of your comfort zone but here it is we pulled it off with jesus's help uh we i think we pulled it off today you know thankful for you because i think my desire to understand you i do my english learning a lot i think i want to understand him i want to connect with him i want to to understand what what what you're saying like everything so definitely accelerate and it's so beautiful this state of mind that it's not my english gave me some confidence and trust to to and share from the heart that all that matters oh it's so beautiful i think this this is proof that if there's something in your heart and you really want and desire then it makes it so much easier if you're really drawn to it and that i've always heard that with children because i was in education for years you know children learn faster and retain more if they're interested in the topic uh when i used to i think i've been to china seven times with francis and um uh toward the end of those visits um there was a man who came uh he actually came early on to a gathering i was doing i think in in in uh maybe beijing or Shanghai and he was just it begun university and he was walking with me across the bridge and he said could i devote my entire life to this uh and and i turned to him and i said yes and he said so i could quit university and devote my whole life to this and i said yes you could if you really felt it if it was like in your heart and he did and then he helped uh manage our our website for china and with all mandarin he managed that and his name is Colin uh Colin dang and then he basically was corresponding with with francis writing these long emails in mandarin and of course that was uh francis his first language but she hardly speaks mandarin to anybody so she would say to me he's writing these huge emails in mandarin and i can't even follow anymore i'm i'm mainly focused now using english so she did say to Colin she said don't ever write to me again unless you can write in english and he said so you you're saying i need to learn that language i need to learn english she said that's exactly what i'm saying so he learned the whole language of of english to talk to her to talk to her and then he came to our mexico community he was there for a while i think he's over in china right now but but he learned that whole new language you you know just to communicate with her and and that just shows that when you really feel it's important you will do it and yeah now i think your english is great so this here we are doing a live a live event and uh i think everybody understood it with the only we only thing had one one thing about neuro linguistic programming trying to get the the letters in the right order that's all we had the whole whole thing and maybe a friend here that is listening to us uh that speaks portuguese too and want to hear to help like uh do this gathering uh translating for our portuguese brazilian we're calling on a bilingual english portuguese translator for our next event and then instagram uh well we'll try to include that in youtube and then this one is going out onto a portuguese page facebook page so maybe if somebody watches this and uh they they know portuguese and english maybe they could put subtitles on this so so the people who tune in go what are they doing on a portuguese page talking english please put the subtitles if you can that'll really help us out too well give my love to gabriel and and all the blessed brothers and sisters that you're invent you've got an event today coming up and i'm so glad you took the time to be here with me and and i always enjoy talking with you so we just had at our usual fun time yeah i love it yeah it was really fun thank you thank you okay any blessings for you too bye