 One more for good day one more one more just for good measure Ready yeah, I guess Hey, everyone welcome to episode 53 of the Nintendo Prime podcast as always I am your hostess with the mostest Join by mr. Eric Moore Hello There's literally no one else today. I am sick. So you're rasping this my voice See me chugging on the water whatever happens to Yeah, I promise you guys come hell or high water as always might have less videos this past week Podcasts ain't going anywhere. So you only have three topics kind of a shortened podcast But there's three really big topics. Yeah There really wasn't a lot of huge Nintendo news is right Those kind of more general gaming This first topic The three topics are one we were talking about the struggle of making YouTube content as an Nintendo creator Because that's need to be a recent topic One particular youtubers thing and then I'm read it then the second topic Deals with those kind of the sad reality of a school shooting and a certain governor blaming it on video games And then the last topic deals with the loot box situation and Some ESRB responses to a certain senator sending a letter about loot boxes Because infamously that reality of a school shoot ESRB was like, yeah, the boxes. They're not gambling Because they're voluntary Guess what gambling voluntary? I don't know. I don't know because it's a new thing gambling itself is completely So anyways, let's just let's just get into it So topic one because in from struggle making Yes, Nintendo content on you. No, this isn't me coming on being like I'm struggling Yeah, I'm actually kind of proof that you don't have to struggle making No, that doesn't mean But if my channel was as big as some of the other channels that complain about it I have to wonder if they've done the research Now I've talked in the past about how being a Nintendo creator on YouTube is more difficult No, then other types of videos because I'm pretty much Not none, but very few of the big Come after you when you put up a game Right, but Nintendo does and they copyright clean your videos They've done the research. I have not had a video copyright clean by Nintendo besides live Which obviously I've unedited In a long time because ever since I joined my multi-channel network very few BB TV They taught me that you can work around Nintendo's clean And you do that by not including cutscenes Getting rid of any audio from the game and that does suck Especially if you're trying to review a game for sure like it's kind of review a game and not have game audio And a lot of thankfully reviews of video games aren't a huge thing on my channel, right? So it doesn't affect me much overall and like the last game it was tiny metal, which was that by You know indeed it means so there was no issue with that in the devs almost never claim audio from the game So that does sign there is that Yeah, and then there's the creators program this actually stirred up a little little something last year because Nintendo announced that if you are a 100% full participant in the creators program like every video you make You cannot live stream video games They even state on their website if you would like to live stream video games Really weird this actually that cost some controversy our channel I thought for a while we weren't going to be able to do it because we use But that's not every video so what the creators program does is it's Nintendo allowing you then to use the footage and use Stuff have your cuts in video games Nintendo still gonna copy a cleaner video, but you file it through their creators program you get a cut It's like us. It's like a 60 40 cut or if you're fully invested It's a 70 30 cut where you get either the 60% or 70 so what they get the 30 or 40 and this is after Google's cut And you get here where that does not sound very good It's even worse than my emcee bbtv takes 20% of everything I make yeah In return for that. I haven't seen ads that are more lucrative I've also gotten some guidance to help my channel access to sound files and various stuff You know at the end of my year with them on the side if I want to continue it But I will say that it was obviously a nice help for me at the point right now I mean my channel started really taking off once I became a partner for that. So there is that they have helped with that, but When you talk about Nintendo the problem that there's a few problems like the one the one youtuber went off on it Talked about how you know he had like 800,000 or a million views that were Nintendo's And he only made 90 cents And that's not correct. So there is I mean I don't I'm not saying he's lying right He only got 90 cents because he didn't use the credit When you join the creators program like the one and Nintendo claims your video that doesn't put it in Okay, unless your entire channel is in the program Every video you upload Nintendo claims and that's not the way his channel is so what happens is When you use the creators program you have to go in and submit individual videos Then there's an approval process once it gets through that approval process and all the views from that point moment forward You get the revenue share. So my guess is that he did not do that Because if he did sorry you would have got way more than 90 cents. Yeah Yeah, I know that because I've gotten over a hundred buck paychecks from the window or way less views than that on Nintendo creator program Yeah, now There are issues number one like my MCN my guess they take 20% But I get to track how much money I'm making every single day in the creators program. There's no way to know what you're making So you could have a video blow up to 500,000 views that you put through the creators program and then you look at previous videos that you have Okay, so number one should be making about this minus 30% to Nintendo. Yeah You know, you can kind of get a rough estimate. It's never exactly that way somebody But at least you have an idea But with Nintendo they don't tell you at all so you get paid and then when you get paid there's no No breakdown. No, there's no breakdown. There's no report. Yeah, they literally just send you email. Hey, we sent you a payment Yeah, so how do you really know you're getting 60% or 70% There's no way for you to know you can they can be completely hosing you over Yeah, that's the problem that I have the credit for it was the lack of reporting at all. Yeah There's like almost no transparency Again, it sounds like something that Nintendo just kind of rushed out and has no good explanation for and People are sitting there going what are we supposed to do and Nintendo's like you can't I don't know figure it out Yeah, like kind of like everything they've been doing lately Yeah It's just a lack of it makes it difficult to be a Nintendo creator Do you figure there's like the creators program should be a way to encourage more creators like something even though it's like it works Like an MCN. Yeah, but it's not what it is. It's weird So it's kind of like look if you're gonna be an MCN just become an MCN I don't figure it out and allowed people to join you and yes, you get 30% of everything they make But in return they can use whatever footage they want anyway I feel like that's probably I don't know if I'd say a fair trade-off because other companies just let you do it without being part of Yeah, a network thing, but whatever at least then you get something 30% cut it is what it is But that's just not the way it is because you have Yeah, where's like my MCN it's like no dude But you make what you make off normal YouTube ads and then we take 20% because I'm on you get sent to them first Yeah, to me and then they actually fight to get better ads on my stuff They make more money I make more money they make right so it's a mutual beneficial partnership for sure Whereas I'm not gonna hire a team to hunt out and get me the best Right, you know, I'm a one-man show for the most part Yeah, so I For any guy person out there thinking to be a Nintendo youtuber those a few things you have to consider you want to be a let's player You can do it. Just do it for the love Don't ever plan to make a living in Nintendo's never Even if you go through the creators program you're gonna get screwed right, you know, so just don't I'm not saying don't like be a let's player I'm saying don't do it planning to solely If you want to do it as a side project as a hobby a passion, that's great You really should be making YouTube content passion about right, you know, it can't be just about money You guys might hear me talking about revenue sometimes in live streams or whatever what I don't just do what I do for my Love it. Yeah for sure. And like I have videos get copied like much as an example The entire month of January every single video. I'm not live stream just normal standalone video at one point They should be was quote-unquote YouTube to monetize. It was put into the the yellow Whether bot automatically flagged every video I put up or whatever didn't stop me from making videos Even though I wasn't making money. Yeah, because there's other reasons to do it one Three you can't just make videos just for me every single video. I mean, that's reality Even when you even when you work a sales job at one, you know Not everything you do in that sales job needs to be about every action has to make money along the way No, because some of these actions can you know also leave the money down the line, too Yeah, there's that driving more viewers more subscribers can lead to more money later Oh, so you can even view it in that way if you want, but you just need to be passionate And you want the January I was carried by our life. I mean, that's reality Yeah This month I don't want to say I mean carried by our live streams. They have been a major contributing factor to our revenue But our ad revenue is also bounce back a little bit not bad to where it was. Yeah, what it's February Not like holiday season when everyone You're saying Valentine's Day isn't a big holiday that people buy ads not big enough Yeah, I mean, there's only there's only so much one 800 flower. Yeah, whatever places out there, you know Yeah, I don't remember seeing any of those ads and ours Come on. Come on. You're thinking there's no love in the air here Yeah, what it's primed things happen here primed things are always that so If you are out there trying to become a Nintendo content creator that people buy ads Now you are gonna have to work with I mean these known If you want to expand your channel and don't make a little money on the side Yeah, you don't care about any about money do whatever the hell you want, right? Nintendo does not usually copyright strike takedown videos I've literally uploaded direct trailers of theirs in the past never got a copyright strike Yeah, I mean no copyright strike the video, but not my channel That's the channel strikes you want to watch over those are the ones that get you in big trouble Yeah, and you do take a risk of that anytime you upload something copyrighted they could copyright strike your channel Because I have trailers and Nintendo games on my channel Nintendo could be like no, no, no, no We're striking but I haven't uploaded direct so I doubt they're gonna do it But it is hard. It's just not as rich Yeah, I mean and you have to know as a Nintendo content creator like a lot of what any sort of content Passion is a big part of it. You can't you know, this is what that one youtuber made it I said that I agreed with was that you know You have to do this because you love to do it not just the money if you can make enough money to Awesome, but I can't but every video you make can't always be afraid that you're gonna get demonetized. Yeah And this is true even when you deal with YouTube because YouTube's a whole nother layer Add pocket lips 1.0 2.0 3.0 now. Yeah, I don't know how many point ohs around at this point As long as we're not on touch point. Oh Sorry, I just got this copyright claim to my bad. No just saying that I don't yeah, I don't know anyways So yeah, yeah, I guess I'm not struggling and this is true say in terms of Nintendo ever since I joined the MCM That doesn't I'm not telling you guys Right, right, you know, I don't even know if it was a good idea. I won't know until I'm done with my first But what I do know is You just have to keep these things in mind and it's really not that bad I'm not struggling You know it gets harder the more gameplay footage you put in the harder and harder it is to avoid the automatic flagging by Nintendo But you know, I don't even know you guys have seen me I've had I've had voiceover over gameplay videos and they weren't like Long as you keep in the the no no cut scenes You'll pretty much be okay. No trailers by the way. No trailer footage. That's the big one Any footage from a trailer no matter what you start it flip it do whatever you want. It's gonna be clean Yeah, I don't know how they find it how the their automatic bots sniff it out with the Yeah, that's kind of the key and Yeah, I guess understand what you want to be as a creator If you want to be someone who doesn't walk through Okay, do it for the fun Yeah, or just do it for Nintendo But I don't know that's just kind of my thoughts on it. Do you have any thoughts on all this? Be prepared to do your research. Yeah, that's really I mean it sucks I'm not saying what Nintendo is doing. Okay, right, right? No, but it's like we can't do anything about it It's their legal rights. Oh, yeah, no, this is how we work around it here But at the same point in time where does fair use come into play and everything else like that? You know where you can use You should be able to use footage from stuff. It's never gone high enough You should be able to use footage from gameplay and stuff like that if you're not like Saying this is your you know, yeah, and let's place themselves as well the area Yeah, if that's a rigid time Fair use come into play. Oh your commentary is Yeah People are coming to watch you'll be able to use footage from stuff. I mean I'm not saying I'm not saying that you don't Right, right, right. Yeah, but it's kind of like that to me would be a tough ground to stand on Yeah, at first. I think a legal case would need to be one of the fact that if I review a game Yeah, that could claim by Nintendo. Yeah, no No, that should be a why would a game review yeah That's ridiculous. People are coming. I have to be like, oh, I want to review Kirby Yeah, but it's kind of like You know, it's one of those things or I just do payday to and they leave it alone Yeah, because again, Nintendo is like one of the main developers that does this. Yeah, it's Nintendo Konami Yeah, no, I can't remember and one other Nintendo's the biggest Like EA doesn't touch yet Ubisoft doesn't touch you My Mario Bros. Rabbids Kingdom Metal video has Mario on it Yeah, wasn't touched by Nintendo because Ubisoft is in charge Ubisoft doesn't copyright claim Nice, it's like yeah, give me a give me a two three four five and that touching me there, right? But yeah, it's it's rough going and it's not no makes a lot harder than needs to be But I don't know what we can do about it and to me It does suck the live streaming thing sucks because people who are fully vested in because it's like Nintendo is like Yeah, thanks for putting your entire channel in our program, right now. We're going to Give me a two three four five and that just bend over this table and bite on this bite on this ride Oh our suggestion. Just make a new channel. Yeah. Yeah, all my followers are at the new channel If you have been dumb enough to submit your entire channel into the program man did this And like the lack of reporting data that that's just right We are 2018 Inexcusable if people if you are going to do revenue share you need to tell us Right, no, no, you don't mess with people in their money, right? And especially when you're like, oh, you gave me a hundred bucks Okay, cool. So that's that's 70% of something your entire channel What's something where to come from? Yeah, right? What videos were what videos perform while what videos didn't right? So I know what videos to put your program on what videos not do right You don't want to give me that information even though it makes you more money. I don't get it right. Yeah If you are going to do revenue share, this is well plus and how do I know that you're giving me 70% of what I made? Yeah, that's the biggest thing. Yeah, and the thing is like my MCN There are multiple ways to track they still let you track through normal means what we have through YouTube And they have their own like two little back-end things Close enough right right a couple bucks, right So I'm like exactly how do I know that exactly I mean yeah If they're all that's the biggest it's not terrible. You start looking into couple hundred. Yeah, the YouTube the YouTube stuff So I was estimating right right. I mean it is what you made, but you know, there could have been some So I use you know for those people only make 20 bucks a couple bucks might be a big deal, but right Yeah, you probably want to be off by a couple bucks and be off by a few seconds So you're gonna be off by like you're one maybe two percent Like I said does it for that I don't know they have much else to say beyond that. Yeah Some misinformation out there. I just wish I tend to would make it clearer than mud You know, I wish they would just encourage people to do this No, there's that free advertising for me. Exactly. What we do at Nintendo Prime 100% average. Yeah, no for sure like they don't pay me to do this I'm doing this because I love to do it. All right. So why should they be punishing me for helping them? Every once in a while say a bad word about them I'm sorry. I wish they we want you to be better. Yeah, right. Sorry. Not sorry. Yeah Um the second topic this one's crazy So, yeah, no, it's gonna get a little serious for a moment because obviously we know Yeah, at least at the time that we're recording this Not necessarily as big as this right So there was that school shooting that at least at the time of This Just just terrible terrible. Yeah, I don't think anyone out there with a brain can be happy And obviously there's been a lot of back and forth right about what's the blame and how should we react? Yeah, how do we try to put this in the future? Just like there is after everything When we grew up with the Columbine, you know and back then this topic was huge Because we have somebody in government Laming video games again, and this happened way back And it seems to come up during every single mass shooting But well at least mass shooting that involves kids kids Because apparently kids. I mean kids are more certain Yeah, as they're growing up and they're going through Yeah, I was more susceptible back then than I am today There's some things like some things that people say to me today back when I was a teenager Yeah, now I'm just like So here's here's all the story goes in the wake of the shooting that left at least I'm gonna update it's 18 Yeah, dad on Wednesday in a high school outside Boca Raton, Florida Kentucky governor Matt Bevin. It was a Republican by the way I don't know what that matters to you guys I focused on violent video games as part of the culture of death. That is being celebrated You want to read the Yeah, I guess Okay There are video games that yes are listed for mature audiences But kids play them and everybody knows it and there's nothing to prevent a child from playing them Bevin said in an interview with We learned County Conway show Thursday morning. They celebrate the slaughtering of people There are games that literally replicate and give people that the ability to score points for doing the very same thing that these Students are doing instead of schools Where you get extra points for finishing someone off who's laying there begging for your life These are quote-unquote Video games and their focus or forced out or throw it's under the guys protected speech Conway continue seemingly referring to the 2011 Supreme Court decision that prevents content-based restrictions on games It's garbage. It's the same as pornography They have desensitized people to the valley of human life to the dignity of women the dignity of humans decency Reaping what we've shown here their forced out and thrown Conway asked if Bevin was interested in the ban of the on these types of games Or merely more parental oversight and children's access Bevin asked for media producers to take some responsibility for their work I think we need to start by having an honest question about what value of these things add The dignity of decent video. Why do we why do we need a video game? For example that encourages people to kill people was interested whether it's Whether it's TV shows, whether it's movies. I'm asking producers of these products These video games in these movies Ask yourselves what redemptive value other than in shock value or other than hope you'll make a couple quick bucks At what price at what price? This isn't absolutely the first time this happened several times Video games and and now you know he also brought Trying to draw the correlation of pornography desensitizing us to women I suppose even though I mean as a man Pornography also kind of sucks as it makes us seem like all we care about is sex, right? I'm not saying we don't do a pretty dang good job of making that feel like it's all we care Especially as teenagers when we're like intersexual prime But it's still one of those things that That's not one man are all about men aren't all things but porn can make us make it seem like You know, I mean, I'm not trying to say it's more derogatory towards like men and women in that case But it's one of those things where it kind of hits both sides We talk about video games in this way It's just what about all the countries that don't have these mass shootings that have the exact same video Yeah That have like television news channels With women who are naked Presenting the weather. Yeah that don't have these issues I mean you kind of get to the point where yes, we have it just obviously an issue with shooting Yeah, that's massively worse than any other country in the world Yeah, but a lot of the things that he's talking about exist elsewhere I think with the problem with this conversation is it ignores that there's a societal problem Yeah, and I think he's trying to say the societal problem is that we're being desensitized. I mean, I don't know that the Sensitization is really it like yeah, look at the way that he describes Yeah, that's massive extra points for finishing off someone who's lying there begging for their life What game have you played where this one's lying there begging you not to shoot them? Yeah, well, I'm sure there are but I don't know about extra points for it This goes back to the ground People with your car. It's like, okay. Okay the video game right like yeah Have you seen an increase in people driving around with their car to tag in people actually? Yeah, but no actually violence is down Yeah That's that's that's the thing like well, it's all the the shooting the school Yeah, for sure overall It's it's one of those things that I'm not gonna say that there's no merit to desensitization Have you seen an increase in people driving around with their car to tag in people? The people that it might desensitize I don't think they it would have mattered Right exactly yep. No for sure people that are Like I'm gonna go out of mass school shooting or I'm thinking about killing someone a video game isn't going to tell them if they are You're not killing real people and the thing is there's a huge difference between killing a person in a video game I'm killing a real person. Oh, yeah And I'm not just saying that because it would have obvious obviously virtual versus reality That's a lot different than if I actually take care of you and squeeze in the doubt Not only is it a lot harder to do It's just a lot different mentality that oh no You know when I When I when I look at stuff like this It's almost I mean this is how it goes with politics to people cherry pick the facts that they want like there's lots of Like reports in research that say video games violence And then there's lots of reports say it's not really different And the thing is is that it's not a definitive thing, you know, I don't think that video games and Movies and all this stuff are really why I think it's just like there's lots of people that obviously Are the mental issues that have that make them want to do this kind of stuff We tend to be into this kind of thing right now and that's just it But that's not that things fall thinking you know when you talk about all these school shootings I'm like how many people buy Call of Duty every year, right? Then look at how many school shootings right? I'm sorry the number of people that this doesn't affect be massively Always right a number of people that it Quote-quote is affecting the thing is the people that are affecting already messed up. It's right. Yeah, and in terms of that No, I love his uh, you know Everybody Everybody knows it's nothing but a child from playing the same thing kids kids drink alcohol. Yeah, it's smoke. Yeah We have laws and like like if you're gonna say the ESRB or whatever is incapable of keeping stuff out of kids hands So are the government with their laws and smoking in alcohol It is not successful Drugs, how's the fighting is drugs going? I don't know about your guys's area, but meth is like taking over, oh, yeah It's bad. Yeah, I'm hoping to steer my kids away from it. Yeah, right because I don't want them to get into that life But it's one of those realities where There's only so much you can do government with their laws Yeah, if someone really wants to do something they're gonna do as an example drug in this case if they made stricter gum You can get down to Pretty easy Oh, and a lot of areas without you know, that's what they'll be like this shooter got the gun legally There's a whole breakdown there. Yeah, but at some point you can't blame When when do we start taking if personal responsibility for our actions versus trying to find something else to point fingers at Yeah, think about You know what other countries that have this this And and these video games and pornography and all the stuff why they don't have the issues that we yeah But because it's completely societal. Yeah We have a culture in the United States in my opinion Versus where we value certain things that we Shouldn't and we value things to a lesser degree As an example I've argued this and I'm gonna keep arguing it because my mother was a social worker Yeah, my fiance technically is a social worker. She's coming to see an a right I've done social work before I've been around a lot of mentally ill people Depression we've talked a lot about depression in the past. Yep, and depression can lead to some of these certain things. Yeah And what I have noticed in all of my years being around my mom As if like 30 plus years I've argued this and my own experience my sister doesn't know how it LSS is that They are massively under oh They're constantly The programs are always getting cut. Yep. The first budget cuts to happen every single day such as social programs Yep, and these social programs are what help find help for the people that need it. Yep They're the ones that help diagnose this stuff at young age It's It's really really difficult to me To take this kind of stuff seriously about blaming video games or blaming media when we're not willing to look in the mirror blame ourselves Yeah, as an example, you know, how how do you help kids not get into drugs help? I'm not gonna alcohol and smoking and violent video games before they're old enough. That's all in the parents. Yeah, I Try to sip a beer Discussed yeah, right never touched alcohol again till I was 21. Yep I'm not saying that's gonna work with everybody. Right. So I'm kids. We're smart asses and be like, I loved it Give me more actually my cousin you know was you had to kind of watch your beer bottles around her cuz you would just come up and just But it's one of those things where As I said, obviously when my dad that there isn't gonna work for everyone and there were Yeah Like I started valuing a lot of things over trying alcohol over smoking or over whatever It's one of those things and I feel like that's what's missing in there is one parental responsibility And I know sometimes it's hard I'm a parent of three Sometimes some of these people don't have parents That's true. And that's that's the one part part about it, too Is that the parents that they're in the art around or they're working so many jobs that they aren't around or America leads the world in so many Everything's disposable Culture of disposal yeah in the United States And no these issues are gonna go away because We thought have the rights for divorce and the rights for all the stuff So like right this stuff isn't going to go away But what we can do is try our best to especially with mental health try our best to Catch this stuff as an example. I feel like mental health programs in this point Yeah Should be so well funded to the point that every child is required to have a mental health checkup every year If you have to regular doctor checkup every year why can't there be a mental health visit? Yeah, no, they have a dentist once a year. Why can't there be a mental health checkup? No, that's because it's not funded enough right no for sure And it needs to be required by law or no one's gonna do it Well if it's required by law then your terms Every child right that's gone. Yeah, that gets in a little insurance Because if it's optional insurance ain't gonna be that's a whole notary to make sure just like insurance might not pay for your dental because it's Yes, okay, but you don't Yeah You don't Have to have nasty look D. That's not the point But they've actually yeah, they're spent studies that have shown that you know actual decent oral health What's it leads to needs to have your people leads to hit this leads to that. It's just like anything health at all Like I'm fat. I was in shape feeling awesome about that more energy every day I would feel better I'm gonna live just like you say oh if you keep smoking you're gonna die, you know sooner than later But you know, that's the thing like the healthier you do whether it's or whether it's mental Yeah, that's what we're talking. Oh, I know for sure for sure. Yeah Yeah, like we're talking about mental health here that needs to be treated as seriously as physical health We always have our kids have to go in, you know, I guess these days people fight back But regular checkups you want to play sports? Yeah, we have all these requirements to do things And I understand it can be hard for parents to admit to themselves there's something wrong with their kid. Yeah You know, that's something that I might have to admit with aid potentially my middle child I don't know what he's got certain ticks That kind of check some boxes that maybe And I'm not saying that there's anything wrong that might not break, but it's just like I'm aware Yeah, and if I get a mental health check and you find out something, you know, the brain scan Okay, I'm not gonna be afraid of what that right because I've also been around also help you help him exactly like when his behavior Issue today when he chucked all that crap at pizza. Yeah, it cost me an extra 45 bucks. I'm destroying the salad bar It's like yeah, why what did I do that made him want to operate? Right? But it's just like because he's never done that before so it's one of those things like what what did I do that that? Tricked him to want to act out. Yes And it right because I have a difficult thing you for parents to ever admit to itself That's why I think we need the mandatory mental health checks because parents aren't going to it right Right, and they need to be held accountable parents skip those And the thing is too is that Parents out there. These games do have ratings on them for a reason for a reason. Yes They do mean something. It's just like it's just like it put it this way Are you cool with you? Are you cool with your 12 year old watching porn? Yeah, I'm just asking you are you cool with it? But you're cool with them doing headshots and color do it. Yeah I'm sorry. I Equates I agree with that equation. It's out there. That's something for adults these games do have Porn is to be in that retrospect. Yes. Yeah, well, I mean I have some number 12 year old but I mean something Young teenager. Yeah, there was a horn Yeah, but the thing is is raising your children to understand this stuff before they're exposed Right, and the thing is they're going to get exposed. That's right I'm the only right, but you can still control. You know, how they react to that Right There's there should be able to be teaching moments of you sitting down with them while you're playing the game and going This is just a game. Yeah, this is not real life. This is not how we treat people. This is a game Right, and the thing is and it's It's kind of like, you know, okay, so I used to use in the porn example The easy thing I can drop, you know watching porn Right You know, I touched my first boob when I was like 16 you sitting down and Let me tell you I was embarrassed Wrong to be doing that. I felt like I was violating them. Yeah, and according to this person because I watched porn. Yep I can't feel that right right and I know that maybe I'm the exception But I'm sorry, you know in that moment I thought I was gonna be okay with it because of the porn, but I wasn't right Let me tell you my parents raised me in a certain way with respect. I don't know for sure respect for women Yeah, they knew I watched porn but respect women. Yeah exactly, you know, they're not objects Right, you know, you don't just get to do what you want to them, but right now exactly and a lot of parents I think avoid these conversations. I can't tell you how many and I know that maybe I'm gonna used to work at After school care in that moment There'd always be things that would come up in school and kids would ask me It's still about, you know, certain certain You can't really say anything My parents gonna say, oh So they're like child. Let me say wasn't just anything else. I was told I must stay out of it And these are my conversations about like what is sex? Yeah, or like Someone grab my private part. What do I do about it? Yeah, it's like they're always being told to be hands off I don't agree with that. Yeah as a parent my child tells me something to that You don't just like it like if my if my daughter She's gonna be eight this year. She's like where the babies come from. I'm not gonna lie to her about it, right? I'm gonna extort frigate to her. I'm gonna explain to her exactly how it happens and Yeah, I explain her do you see how upset mom and dad get sometimes on an adjunct that you're thinking of doing this kind of thing in school Yeah, and yeah Like that's all my parents good Yeah, oh for sure. I did not have sex until I was 21 because I was scared Yeah, right But I'm just like no I can't yeah And again this comes down to parenting obviously the kind of parenting techniques my parents work with me are gonna Everyone you got to explore with your children, right? No sure for sure, but and you know and again, there are People out there. There are kids out there that yeah, but again Don't have parents that don't that have parents that are there But aren't there because they're trying to support their family They're trying to do this to try to do that and then you have the ones that are there But are whacked out on drugs or other things and other stuff like that that Don't get the attention And and this is why I like the mandatory health check I don't know how they could enforce it without if you're like a police state, right? Because if you don't show up, they're gonna find you but if you're a drug They're gonna show up at your house and you can argue if you missed like two in a row That they should send someone to knock on the door and if there's suspicion Because just in general like any kid that's raised My parents in drugs how they could have failed your in the system not get that kid away The parents aren't gonna do it right. Oh, yeah So somewhere along the line the system has to recognize you get something And I understand like I don't want a police state for this stuff But there needs to be I don't think it's bad They're not coming into your home, you don't even have to answer. Yeah, you know, they're not gonna come in or Vision of something and if you have nothing to hide then what's a matter? You can just say you just literally forgot and I understand like cool Schedule one that next week, right, but they're not going to because it's so under fun We'd rather a fund or I mean I was I was planning them. Yeah, then that's That was the same. I'm just saying like think of where we put a lot of our money at times It's like what are we focused on our own and like actually improving from within right instead of letting us kind of destroy ourselves In a way, that's kind of you know Military spending don't get me wrong. I'm not I love our military. Sure. I appreciate everything No for sure, but The fact that we stick so much money Into killing people The hypocrisy a little bit there military is don't get me wrong, you know I don't know how to explain it everything and I'm not again. I'm not calling out, you know military I'm not calling. I love I love our military members. I respect everything that they do But the fact that we spend all this money on Inventing ways to kill people It's adding to the problem. No, I mean I understand some of the investment in that stuff is a little bit because We don't do it someone else You know, like I understand some of the research But there's a difference between the research of the technology and then building it but the fact that we spend all this money on inventing ways to kill people But it's all about where we as a country are budgeting Yes, I don't care that we have a huge chunk of it going to the military like Like why is education getting cut why is like, why are we cutting things that? deteriorate our society instead of funding society. Why are we still paying in St. College tuition? like all these things are Adding up to we are creating our own power to school shooting. We're under educated. Yeah, we're that's not a big thing We're underfunded in the inner cities. Yep You know, we don't have metal detectors and security guards in every public school because some schools can't afford it Right when that should be completely funded by the state it should be a mandatory requirement, right? Especially now this happened in Florida guess what every Starting every every single high school middle school whatever in Florida should have metal detectors and security guards Yeah, paid by the state. Right. Yeah, but It's not gonna have the crazy ironic thing about this too. We don't is that that city was actually Just voted as the safest in Florida when that should be completely fun That's the crazy part of it too. No, I mean it completely sad. Well, that's the thing that just goes to show It could happen anywhere. Yeah, I mean it could happen here. Yeah. Oh for sure. We haven't happened yet but Do you know how many bomb threats we had? No, no, I know Yeah No, no for sure. It's like it's like nothing's actually ever happened here, but I always know the back Right someday, it's not gonna be a threat. Oh, no for sure And you know, no, no, I know another No, I don't need we just went through a rather whole bunch of things that are wrong in American society That are way more vitally important to this And another thing too is you're like an escape from some of the crappy stuff. Oh, no, no for sure And one other point that I want to make is some of these kids, you know with Things being underfunded in certain areas All these kids know are violence is violence. I don't know gang related gang related stuff. I mean Look at the underfunding in a lot of these places. That's all they know They don't know any better. They don't know any different. No, no for sure. It's gang life or no life It's killer be killed. Yeah, pretty much. That's the way it's with a special out of cities Yeah, being underfunded in certain kill to be killed unless you happen to live in the upper rich Yeah, and guess why you know why they're not touched because they have lots of money and they have security Yeah, prevent the gang stuff from getting into their neighbor. Yep it's just We need to do a better job protecting their children at school It's gang life all public schools need to be funded to have metal detector Yeah, all the time I'm not saying that, you know, yeah I know that might sound police state, but Until we can come up with a better societal solution I'd rather police stated that crap up Yeah, no And by the way, those security guards should be allowed to be all public school Because obviously they're not gonna do any good if the guy walks up to the door of the AR-15 Just gonna shoot him and go right right, so I mean that's another thing I'm not saying I'm not one of those people that say we need to arm all of our teachers and below. I don't know No, I know that there are certain schools that have done that But they might not have any issues they might not have any issues before that too. Yeah So it's kind of one of those things like I'm not saying it doesn't prove anything Yeah, like say as an example that teacher who got shot he had a gun on him He might have been in the shooting but here's the dick. Here's the thing You're you're you're also asking a civilian Without a whole lot of training well, that's to take life All right, but at the same time, but here's the thing Then why wouldn't you invest in proper security people who do this for a living basically police officers at this point And then Actual metal detectors versus arming teachers who might not You know Because they'd have to have no rules of all that it had to be locked away in a certain way the students Because anyone is going to plan a shooting Going to map it out and figure out where all that crap right even no matter how much you think it's hidden This is 2018 kids are smarter than we give them credit. Oh, yeah, they could figure crap out if they want to figure So I'm not even saying that's the solution. It's just something we need to do to try our best to limit The mass shootings. I don't think we can ever get rid of shootings entirely. Oh, even if there's no right ban on guns I don't think it's possible to get rid of it Even uh, but we can limit it in some way And I just think when you have people like this governor of kakaki come out and start pointing the finger video And in media, I think it just misses the bigger point, right To try our and I'm not saying it has anything to do with them being a republican Right. No, no because I've heard this argument from democrats a lot. Yeah, even if there's no right And I just think it's I feel like we're always looking to point fingers because we don't want to blame ourselves for letting this happen as a society, right But I mean honestly if my kids go off and do something the first thing that I'm pointing at is Yeah, I am the primary reason and I'm not cabling off and did something stupid This is why parents kick themselves and their kids get in the drugs. That's what it's your fault And I mean it is depend. Yes, it's like it pretty much is your fault There had to be a pretty extreme situation where someone held on your child and forced the drugs Not to be your fault because I'm not saying that kids don't have free will and everything but if you raised your kid in the right way They would have never made that choice. My kid went off and did something stupid on their own This is why parents kick themselves now you could argue that maybe they got depressed and there's certain things like that But again, good parents Trust me, you can hide crap from your parents But the fact that I've been through it me as a parent. No, my kids ain't gonna get away. We're not depressed I'm gonna know because I'm not saying that kids don't have free will and everything Problems only doesn't solve everything but it helps great Like why aren't we looking into real like because all the arguments going to be now is Video games are the issue media is the issue gun should be banned gun shouldn't be banned We should arm everyone we should just don't remember like instead of us being like how about let's deal with the core issue We have a mental health crisis in the u.s And we're ignoring it because we don't want to pay to fix it Right or pay to monitor it even because you can't really fix it people are born the way they're born But we can at least try to help and like people that are born into the crappy drug situations We should discover them sooner. Yeah, and make sure they get into good families and get into good programs to make sure that They don't have drugs run into their system. They're not addicted because that's another thing that happens Right the kids is even if they're not doing the drugs themselves. They're around Enough of the shit. Yeah, it's kind of in their system all the time And they end up being addicted or they're born addicted or they're born addicted. Yeah Yeah, so there's a lot of things that we need to look at in society Um, as an example my my future sister-in-law when she had her third kid that kids shouldn't take it away Yeah, it's being adopted now and it's like it should have been adopted Yeah, she has proven that she can't stay out of drugs even if they're not take care of She has no place of her own. Yeah at the time. She had no car. She had no job So why is she a lot of her kids shouldn't have ever been able to be possible? Said that kid was submitted to be there's a lot of things that we need to look at in marijuana And the thing is I might argue whether marijuana is cool or not. Yeah, it's that it's never cool to do in front of a kid It's not cool to smoke a cigarette in front of a kid. I wish she had a baby So anyways, that's just kind of my take on things. Yeah, I think that we are driving the conversation I think in a better place She had no car. She had no job So why is she a lot of her kids shouldn't have ever been able to do it? You hear politicians talk about stuff like it's obviously having an agenda No, right Like shouldn't the agenda be a priority one that's helping our people? It's that it's never cool to do it in front of a kid But that involves governments spending money on things that help people Right instead of just pointing fingers. Oh, it's not our fault. It's their fault Yeah, I think that we are driving the conversation I think in a better place Anyways, moving on to our last topic Last topic This one's not as serious. It's still important to video gamers Right, right Um, so Senator Maggie Hassan sends a letter to the ESRB about loot boxes Who loot boxes? Um, and they said this while there's a robust debate over whether loot boxes Should be considered gambling The fact that they are both expensive habits and use similar psychological principles Suggest loot boxes should be treated with extra scrutiny At minimum, the radiant system should denote when loot boxes are utilized In physical copies of electronic games To that end, I respectfully urge ESRB to review the completeness of the board's ratings Process and policies as they relate to loot boxes And to take into account the political harm these types of micro transactions may have on children I also urge them to examine whether the design and marketing approach to loot boxes In games geared towards children is being conducted in an ethical and transparent way That adequately protects the developing minds of young children from predatory practices Further, I urge ESRB to consider working with the relevant stakeholders Including parents to collect and publish data on how developers are using loot boxes How widespread their use is and how much money players spend on them Finally, I ask that you develop best practices for developers Such as ethical design, tools for parents to disable these mechanisms Or making them less essential to the core gameplay And ESRB responded, you want to take that one for me? I know, but I can't read Just from the court of our widespreader uses And how much money players spend on them Finally, I ask that you develop best practices for developers Just to design tools for parents to disable these mechanisms And enable them to make them less essential to the core gameplay For more than two decades, we have earned the trust of parents And ESRB found out that you can't buy a computer By helping them make informed decisions about the games their children play This is so ironic, Esma I know right, I know right As the industry evolves, so does our rating system And we will continue to make enhancements to ensure parents continue to be well informed We will also continue to provide information about additional tools Including parental control guides That help parents set spending and time limits And block potentially inappropriate games based on the ESRB's signing I know right, I signed the age rating, sorry As the industry evolves so does our rating system The entertainment software association and industry trade group Was also not immediately available to comment To provide information about additional tools So including parental control guides Yeah, it's like previously, you know the part that we didn't get too quick Was that before the ESRB called it a voluntary feature That lets the gamer make the decision to enhance their in-game experience That was the ESRB's official response to the boxes before When they said they weren't going to make any changes to the rating system Was also not immediately available to comment We know that the Senator in Hawaii and the Poges of Stage are going together to try to be like Look, there's something wrong with loot boxes After the Battlefront II stuff, there's something wrong And we're not saying that you can't have loot boxes They don't want children using loot boxes That was because it's kind of a gambling mechanism Right And ESRB's response is that it's not gambling It's a voluntary feature We know that Senator in Hawaii and the Poges of Stage are going together to try to be like So this is before us to say again To a certain extent they're right But gambling is voluntary on itself Yes and no Well, when you first go to the casino If you've never played even a phone app or anything You don't know what you're getting into Right You just know I go put money in something and maybe get money Right And then you get kind of clucked sometimes Right Depending on how they're hooking you Right Or you just get discouraged because it loses all your money And then they're never coming again Right, right So this is before us to say again To a certain extent they're right Or rip off It's quite a gambling mechanism I mean, they are The thing is, I always say it like You know, I'm a fiance sometimes, go to casinos It's one of those things that Go to it for the Right Just the get away I go put money in something You're getting away from life It's just you and some spinning man And then you get going Maybe flashing lights Maybe a friend or whatever And maybe you're seeing a show or a concert Or you just go to the casino And having like You're going out It's like going out on the town For a couple hundred bucks Going out to bars You never I mean, they're going to the casino And every once in a while you come on You aim for more money than you do Right It's one of those things As long as you view it as that And you do it once in a while I don't think it's going to be a wrong gambling Right It's just I go put money back I go put money back People do it professionally Right And if they can afford to do it Good for them Okay Maybe maybe flashing lights The problem is, we're talking about Maybe you're going Loot boxes I mean, I don't know How you can disassociate it from gambling You're going out You're just like going out on the town The only the only difference is You don't get monetary value back You spend money to get loot boxes To get in-game items You don't get money back Right So you're never going to make your money back Right Although then again there's like the CSGO With the skins I don't want to get that And that's even worse Like that The fact that that's not The problem is we're talking about Me and look that Loot boxes That bothers me a lot Values should be ashamed of how The marketplace even happens Yeah People are just being The only the only difference is You don't get monetary value back Especially after the CSGO Lotto incident You spend money to get loot boxes To get in-game items Anyways You don't get monetary value back I kind of just never this as You don't get monetary value back Right Right Although then again It feels weird Because I just went against the governor But now I'm kind of on the senator side Yeah Um Because It's weird because A lot of the arguments pro Like like for loot boxes Hey when you buy a pack of cards That's a loop Especially after the CSGO Lotto incident Right And you might buy more packs Until you get what you want Right I did it with the bulk of my plans So like I get it It feels weird because I just went against the governor But at the same point That's something physical That's something tangible Right That's something I could turn around and sell It's weird because Um That's something I can get some of my value back on Right Whereas in-game If I buy Battlefront 2 I can get value back on that physical copy of Battlefront 2 But any of that in-game stuff I bought There's no value back on it No I did it with the bulk of my plans It's all You know I guess you say the value back on it You know Is your enjoyment of the game Yeah Or whatever And the thing is I don't think there's a problem with loot boxes Being in-games Although some of them Like in Battlefront 2 Kind of associated I can get Too far Right Um Whereas it's one of those Parents do need to be made aware Oh yeah for sure And they can't just say there's loot boxes in this game Parents are going to know that it is Right No For sure You need to say that there are Gambling mechanics And your enjoyment of the game Is your enjoyment of the game Is your enjoyment of the game And the thing is I don't think there's a problem That needs to be listed on the box somewhere Right Next to the rating or whatever Yep And that's assuming you know Even though we just said Center says ratings don't work It's one of those that I haven't done the research to know if they work or not I know that kids Oh yeah for sure I know that kids in the day When they used to work a still somewhere Playing college Oh yeah But that's again on the parents You need to say that And the reason they're playing it is Because they're parents Uh So it's kind of like Gambling mechanics And your enjoyment of the game Is your enjoyment of the game A lot of the games I play growing up Which is my dad's That needs to be listed on the box Um Right On the parents You can't take all parenting That's assuming you know But yeah You know she says it makes it a lot of good points Parents need to be informed Yeah That this stuff exists in the game I don't think kids in the day When they used to work a still somewhere The only thing I disagree is that she says But that's again on the parents Physical copies I think digital copies too On all copies Yeah That's what you said That was When I said that I think she was trying to disclude phone games Because loot boxes are very Problem in phone games Yeah I think all parenting Um But I think even in phone apps Yeah You know she says Right It should be stated on the download For sure For sure It should be like Well actually It should be like Warning this game It does Does it For sure In this game Involves in-game purchases Yeah But that doesn't That doesn't That doesn't That doesn't That doesn't That doesn't That doesn't That doesn't That can be micro transactions Yeah That's what you said There is a difference No I know But I mean they're both a form On micro transactions Right Because loot boxes are very Problem in phone games Right Whereas micro transactions Are like You get what you pay for Yeah Right True It should be stated on the download Oh for sure And a lot How the loot boxes Usually work It should be like Warning this game It does That's for That's for That's for Yeah We bring this up Yeah A lot And there's some people who notice Hey we got our annual mention Of that's for That's for That's for That's for That's for That's for So many of the things that That's for That's for That's for That's for Oh for sure But you buy virtual currency Yep To buy a draft pick That gives you a randomized player That's exactly what a loot box is And those randomized players Sometime feel way underrated Than what they should be But whatever That's the first thing Right But yeah no it's Yeah It's one of those things where A lot and there's a new notice Hey we got our annual mention Obviously they give you enough Currency to get them free sometimes Right Blah blah blah But um It's still a loot box And it's not something I'd want My children to buy Right But I don't want my kids playing That gives you a randomized player I just don't There's other baseball apps they can play That don't do this Yeah Way underrated Well they can Or they could play it just That's personal If you can If you can block Yeah You can Yeah So I'm just gonna block the You can The purchasing Anytime you buy your kid a video game console The very first thing you should do Is go in that console And disable purchase Right It's still a loot box Then they can't make a purchase Yeah I'd want my children to play And if they want to work around it Good luck Because if you use all the proper rental blocks There's other baseball apps they can play That don't But here's the thing Parents don't know This stuff's happening Right Kids can take the credit card They can put it on Yeah You can kind of jack it up Prices Yeah So I'm just gonna block the Or you can Purchase it Anytime Like if you're an adult And you blow your life savings on loot boxes That's your problem Yeah So and disable purchase I mean it is Yes At that point you know what you're I mean you should know what you're doing Here's the thing If we start education Now Maybe not the current adults But the new kids growing up Are gonna Yeah Here's the thing Parents don't know this stuff Are they supposed to play Right Yeah Again Credit card No Take away parenting In the equation All right No I think for sure Too often People want to take parents out of this In this case That's your problem I think it's just lack of awareness I mean it is Oh yes At that point you know what you're doing If I said loot boxes to a parent If we start education To a gamer or they know Maybe not the current adults But if the parent who doesn't Game who's kids game They have no idea what this box is Right Right Yeah Again Credit card Like what would you do to solve this That you can't take away How would you handle The limiting or the informing Of loot boxes You want to take parents out of this Or you just Like ban them And not even allow I think it's just lack of awareness I mean it is Oh loot boxes themselves If I said loot boxes to a parent Dude If we start education To a gamer Yeah I don't know why I mean Apparently it doesn't mean I can understand microtransactions Because you know what you're getting Right Yeah I can only buy in a game You're paying something to get What you expect Right Right The limiting Where the loot boxes is Is you There is a Not even allow Not even allow Risk Oh loot boxes To not getting anywhere Near what you The quote unquote value That you put in Yeah Yeah I don't know why I mean It's gonna I'm not gonna lie I've fallen victim to You know God this next time I'm gonna get it You know so That's all the action I'm playing tab sports Baseball That's all the action Yeah So Where the loot boxes is Is you know It's gone Oh Shit 60 bucks later Oops Yeah I still didn't get that Near what you do The quote unquote value That you put in Yeah But yeah See in that's That's the thing Right there It's It's highly addictive And God this next time I'm gonna get it Okay yeah It's gambling That's all the attack Right I don't think either one of us Are denying but it is So Right oh no For sure For something virtual It's gone It's still gambling Right 60 bucks later You're paying something Hoping to get something Right Exactly yeah And if you don't get it Then kind of make you Feel like you're gonna Get it the next time Right See in that's the thing Right And sometimes you do Right No no Shit It's like we're gonna Go to the casino Sometimes I come ahead Uh huh Last time I went to the casino I came up to 250 bucks I mean It's like I don't think either one of us That doesn't happen very often Right But they key in enough When you're losing Then making things gonna Happen all the time Right no Oh yeah for sure Right So Loot boxes I Right I don't see a point And if you don't get it Then kind of make you Feel like you're gonna Get it the next time I would get rid of loot boxes Microtransactions Right there And sometimes you do Because you know what You're getting Yeah And I go to the casino You can consciously Make the decision To pay for that Whereas These loot boxes That doesn't happen very often You start getting it into The Addictiveness Of gambling So then I toss this at you So Loot boxes So how would you deal with Collecting cards I don't see a point And if you don't get it What do you mean Well I would get rid of loot boxes Microtransactions Because you know what You're getting into Pokémon So to buy in Pokémon You can consciously Make the decision To pay for that Whereas These See the thing is Those that Because I mean Right You're starting to kind of Sort of Relatable It is It's not I know it's not Because of the physical nature But it is Because you're buying something Hoping to get stuff you want And you might not get any You might get junk Right What do you mean That makes you want to buy More packs More packs Right You know We spent hundreds of I don't know I know I know I know But the thing is That We actually had to have The money physically there Now it is These See the thing is though You just need a credit card Right And You could use credit cards Back in the late of the week You could But it's not It's not Because it's not Because it's not Because it is Because you're buying something Back then Hoping to get stuff you want If you went to the store And you had a credit card When you were like 10 years old That makes you want to buy more That's going to raise some red flags Back then Some of the stores that don't have cameras Oh no, no, I know I know I know I know Back then it was a lot Back then It was easier to do that I could have probably bought Physically there Years old Neat Well Right But I'm just saying Yeah You just need a credit card But Know the right people Know to the right places Right You could Right But But uh No No Like packs, cards, and stuff like that If you went to the store And you got a credit card When you were like 10 years old I really do That's going to raise some red flags I'm actually curious Yeah Because you think it's okay Back then Back for children My packs of cards Where they're hoping to get stuff Well Maybe they're favorite players Maybe they're Just saying You know Their favorite Pokemon No, they don't get it And it encourages them to keep buying more Well, okay, fine But uh Most of my Okayness is Assuming that they're with A credit card when I think it's 10 years old But how much does the world mean? I'm actually curious Well, that's right I'm actually curious Yeah Again, it comes down to How much money does this kid actually have? They're not They're not spending their parents some You know They don't have access to their credit card Shouldn't Well, I mean Here's the thing Kitchen have access to the credit card Let's just limit that credit card Right, grab the case Kitchen have access to the credit card They find that that's their credit card Right And so Eliminating that So their only way to buy stuff Even on a phone Yeah Is through money It comes down to How much money does this kid actually have? Like they are 12 And maybe their parents are like They're not spending their parents some Yeah So they can spend the money to actually They don't have access to their credit card And it's so Shouldn't Well, I mean Here's the point I have a check card on this one Let's just limit that credit card Right, grab the case Kitchen have access to the credit card Of course, I've never had money in my bank Since I was 12 Yeah, right But that's not why That's not why though Yeah Eliminating I should add more money So their only way to buy stuff Even on a phone It's because I had no bills Yeah Her life was so easy as a kid Right Just go to a movie, buy some card packs Yeah, right Right Working since I was 15 Right Had more money than I know what to do with Right More money than God Right I felt like just Yes Um To me, it just feels like Of course, I've never had money in my bank since I was 12 One, there's less access to That's not why, that's not why though I mean, it feels like these loot boxes are everywhere Because I had no bills Sure Yeah Card packs are Just go to a movie box and card packs Yeah, all greens are everywhere Working since I was 15 Right And more money than I know what to do with They're literally everywhere Shut up You don't have to go far to fight a card pack I don't know I guess I've just been out of the game in a while I mean, it just feels like But to me, it feels more like The card packs That's not why, that's not why It feels like there's more of a limited amount of money These loot boxes are everywhere Because I had no bills Sure Yeah, correct So easy Card packs are Just go to a movie box and card packs Yeah, all the greens are everywhere Working since I was 15 It's more to do with Again, the card of card versus cash Shut up You don't have to go far to fight a card I guess I'm gonna have a card of card I guess I'm gonna have a card of card A kid with cash But Is gonna have less access to buy The card packs How many hundreds of packs Versus a kid with That is on a phone or on a game console With a credit card attached to it That they don't know That they're actually spending money Well, their credit card shouldn't be attached It's more to do with Again, the card of card versus card of card No, no, no Because a kid Their appearance is credit card But if their kid with cash Using their own device Then they shouldn't have to worry about it Is gonna have less access To buy a credit card I'm just saying Like, it feels like hundreds of packs To me, it feels like It feels like you're trying to justify That card packs With a credit card attached to it That they don't know That they're actually spending money Or still buying something That's gonna encourage them To go get more cash Gonna encourage them To go into their parents' purses And take their own parents' credit card To buy I mean, you can't tell me When we were kids No, no, I know We didn't get what we want We would bust our butt Mowing lawns Or shoveling or doing whatever So we could have more money To come back the next day To buy more cards Yeah, no, I know Like, we did that as a kid Like, we literally were doing loot boxes Before loot boxes were like Yeah As kids Yeah So now it's just become this virtual thing And I'm not trying to sit here and be like There isn't a difference But I keep The more I think about it, the more I'm like Well, you know, I Because you said loot boxes should just not exist I mean, you can't tell me When we were kids No, no, I know We didn't get what we wanted We wanted you to bust our butt Mowing lawns Or shoveling or doing whatever But then that means I have to To my mind, I have to agree that That shouldn't exist at all But then it can't Like, we did that as a kid Like, we literally You know, trading card game That we used to buy Like, Game Boy You know, what did they have to Act in the random packs Now it's just become the first of all the time And I'm not trying to sit here and be like When you get the random packs in that game But whatever That wouldn't be that way The game I could have never come out So You said loot boxes should just not exist It's one of those things where You know, like even in Herstone Right, Herstone is a game where you play You know, a card game Online against people It's completely free But you buy your packs You buy packs Cards And you get randomized cards Just like you do in real life It's just like playing in real life So it's easier to find people to play in real life Right Right Pokemon does this a little bit Where like, you can scan your cards But whatever That wouldn't be that way Um So It's one of those things to me where It's one of those things where I don't think loot boxes need to be thought Like even in Herstone Right, Herstone is a game where you Um And maybe this is just because I do enjoy the game Yeah Right Like, I don't think it's wrong To enjoy buying loot boxes Okay It's kind of what I'm saying Okay Right, right I think it's wrong To introduce children Right To enjoy in loot boxes Right, okay Yeah, so I can At an age before they can understand I can get that Yep And I feel like that's where the senator said And the senator's not saying don't have loot boxes Yeah The senator's saying We need to not expose children to loot boxes Right There should be no reason why Just like children should not be Well There should be no reason why A children's game needs to have loot boxes And or micro transactions One thing about it Children, you know Children Right Aren't really even exposed to games So I can And the closest they can understand You know Is basically walking through a facility Yeah To go to the buffet Or like if you're in Vegas To see it everywhere But you don't actually play yourself Right So you might be impressed by the fancy lights And you don't really get it You just think it looks great There should be no reason why A children's game needs to have loot boxes I went to the micro transactions One thing about it Children You know It didn't make me want to gamble more Right And if you think about it You know Like arcade games Basically are the exact same thing You know It is You're gambling with money to win something Yeah To go to the buffet Whether it's tickets to buy something Or whether it's that item I mean That's how arcade games work And we consider that acceptable So it's kind of like Where do we start drawing lines? Like arcade games Pokemon cards okay I think it's a lot of Purchases are not okay I think again It's more of a Physical Tangible thing That's worth less than what you pay for I know But the whole physicality If it feels like You actually got something for your money I know I know I'm not saying I'm just One of these days You're going to live up to what I have The boxes are not Yeah right I think again Yeah right Yeah Yeah except for the green screen So what's tangible Make sure it's dark green That shows up as great as than what you pay for My packer had I noticed on the green screen earlier I know But the whole physicality It doesn't actually have Oh nice You got something for your money Cool Sweet Sometimes I'm not saying But I'm just saying What it feels like One of these days you're going to live up to what I have The boxes are not enough The difference is That you're actually getting something tangible But I can argue That when I get that fine start It shows up as great as it was That fine start plan And I feel way more proud of that That shows up It doesn't actually have It's real great Nice I'm just saying Oh right Like I got If it wasn't better It was a very similar feel Right So why shouldn't I not be allowed to feel like You're also an adult Where So you can't have that feeling The difference is Is that you're actually getting something Because I got to remember We grew up in an age where That I can argue That when I get that fine start Yeah right Right You know So we're going up in an age now where We only had tangible things Everything's now digital and virtual Right So like you know We can't just be old groups and be like It's okay because it's physical And not because it's digital When they're growing up Where everything is digital No no I know homework is digital I know everything's digital I know They don't even buy books anymore In some schools It's all through iPad and stuff I know And I know that can be frustrating You know I can see your anger bubbling up But then you know I think about Well when I go to college I did everything through my computer I guess it's really not that much different Except they're doing it a lot younger than I Right And I guess I don't see anything wrong with it Again That's the thing I'm a parent so I'm big and I'm like Dazed kids Right And it's not a problem Right Like I know what loot boxes are So I'm going to raise my children right Right But not every parent does That's why like I'm all about the awareness I'm all about loot boxes are fine Do I think they should be in children's games Except they're doing it a lot younger than I Right And probably not I mean I don't think microtransactions Should be in children's games The children don't have money Right But it's one of those things that like A lot of these games can't exist Like without a form of monetization So because kids also don't have money to buy a game So you can't just be like Hey 40 bucks On your phone to buy a game Loot boxes are fine Kids aren't going to do that Do I think they should be in children's games They should never grab that free to play game That has ads on it or whatever Yeah But ads aren't always making enough money So it's kind of like Yeah It's tough because you gotta look at it From the game developer side You gotta look at it from the consumer side You gotta look at it from a parent side It's one of those things I like a lot of these games I think what the senator proposes Is pretty spot on I mean she says things like No, no For sure Like 40 bucks You know that there are On your phone to buy a game You know that gambling and loot boxes You know they're both expensive habits Yeah They have similar psychological principles Really addictive It's tough to look at it from a game developer side And that minimum the rating system should Denow it from loot boxes And that's the minimum At the very minimum Yeah, yeah A lot of kids don't read the rating systems Right Like I don't think it's that the rating system doesn't work I think sometimes Store employees don't enforce it Right Like when you see a parent walk up that doesn't I don't want to stereotype people Like if you see a soccer mom looking Person walk up at the game with Call of Duty No kids with their I mean I know you don't want to insult her but It's kind of one of those like Hey by the minimum At the very minimum It's kind of like A lot of parents don't read the rating system Oh, you know like it's right Like I don't think it's that the rating system doesn't work For 17 plus I think sometimes like Store employees don't enforce it They might not know anything They just might know all the kids that they want this game And the thing is too is that Maybe at the stores Do you see a soccer mom walk up at the game with Call of Duty? Like No kids with their Advertisement More vivid advertising Right Big emirating Right Because these are adult games Right These are teenager games Right They need to maybe instead of Alphabetizing them Put them in by rating For 17 plus Yeah Alphabetize them Alphabetize them within the rating I've agreed with that forever I've always agreed there should be like a big sign Maybe it says at the store No not just on the back of the mark They need to have a big more ESRB sign It says like These games are rated M for 17 plus And Right exactly And then have a big sign Have a big sign above them With the rating on it And then have a big sign That explains each rating And what constitutes the rating Why that game gets that rating So she's saying At minimum it should be noted In the rating somewhere Right I think she means like What do they say It's rated T for a bullet block And then keep the boxes to 7 Right And But again That's like a bare minimum I don't know how much that's gonna help Unless they do it Have a big sign above the button Even then it's just a subscript And then have a big sign That explains each rating And then she also wants to say that I mean another thing is too Is that you can actually have stores You know Put stickers on the cases Or have the game makers Put stickers on the cases that denote Right Yeah Well and she also wants to be able to like She wants them to conduct research into If you have boxes targeted to children That's even ethical Right And if they're being transparent to us I mean another Right Especially to parents Actually have stores Like some kids might be playing a game And they can't be Put stickers on the cases Right Or have the game makers put stickers on the cases She can read a little bit But she doesn't read every line of audio Odyssey Right She just says Oh this thing looks cool What do I need I hit it Oh I don't have enough of whatever She wants to conduct research right now Yeah right I'm glad that she I'm glad that Mario Odyssey Do little microtransactions Let me tell you Right And if they're being transparent But yeah And what's nice is that she does say She wants to One of the best practices for developers Basically she's saying I'm not discounting this revenue source I'm not discounting the development cost I'm just saying that we should Re-examine if children Should be a target audience for any other Right And if we should reserve it For you know Older audiences Right Like if we want You know say You want to put lukeboxes and stars About them too Then it should just be an emirated game Yep Or if not Basically she's saying I'm not discounting for my I don't have a revenue source I'm not discounting the development cost Throwing a mid-range I'm just saying between I don't need to re-examine Right We're like Because in the United States You can have a job at 15 Right 15 plus or Instead of just team work Because there's like Yeah Because there's E And then there's E10 plus So I can be team and team 15 You want to put lukeboxes Right If they want to put a tween or 18 But you know what I'm saying Like they're basically calling on the US Or maybe to do exactly what I think needs to be done Right And I know it's because like I don't want to defend lukeboxes I just think that Oh no no for sure And I think just like gambling I don't think it's wrong to have it I think it's wrong for my children To be subjected to Those like E And not like I want to go stuff further than her I want it affecting I want it affecting Any possible thing Oh yeah yeah A team of videos Yeah Because my children Already play games that have lukeboxes in them Yep They've already clicked on the buy button several times You know what does not work Because I'm an intelligent parent And I turned off the ability to purchase things Right But it's kind of one of those things that like Yeah but as soon as they You know what if they work around And figure out Oh In some cases you get I want to go stuff further than her I want it affecting You know Yeah there's an upper limit I want it to cut you off But I still would rather them not hit the upper limit Right That's for me Not for them Right And even then I would never enable that On their phone What if they You know I was on my phone And I fell asleep And I was still unlocked Yeah And they got ahold of it You know These things can happen Right I speak as a parent I'm as a Some morning they wake up Don't know where my phone is My son's over there playing Angry Birds on it I'm like Hey how did you play Angry Birds My phone should have been locked Yeah there's He's like Oh I waited for you to fall asleep And then I grabbed it Oh yeah They would rather them not hit the upper limit You little smart That's for me Yeah like Right Gosh darn it And even then I would never enable So it's You know kids are Kids are Are what they are I did the same thing when I was a kid Yeah Yeah they're smarter than they look But Right Yeah it's I think blue boxes are in general Okay to exist I'm like There's other things we can talk about as a whole Obviously like If a game is blue boxes Microtransactions Should it be a 60 dollar game anyways Right I guess it's kind of fundamentally supported With a completely different free to play Right Like I'm okay with blue boxes and tablets Facebook to a point Right It's free to play I did the same thing I don't have to spend any money I can just They're smarter than they look In years past I haven't spent any money Right And I still had a good time with the game I think blue boxes are in general You know next year I'm not going to spend nearly as much money Is like Right But it's kind of one of the things You learn things along the way And I learned from You know where I probably should have spent money Where I shouldn't have spent money To like Yeah Increase my value Right As a consumer Right Because I don't think it's wrong to like Spend money Right On the boxes and microchips Right But Especially if you enjoy the game And you're just Can't support them Kids shouldn't be Well and you can afford it Right But kids should not be subjected Kids can't afford any Right They really can't Unless they're I mean they can be completely spoiled Maybe they have More money than you do in their bank Or whatever But let's be honest If they actually had to pay bills There's no money Right As a consumer You know like Oh they have more money than me Oh my child is $500 in the bank And I have the paycheck to paycheck We'll tell that kid they gotta pay rent Especially a month Yeah They ain't gonna have any money here Just to support them Kids should be So it's like Gotta remember that Like just because they might have More money than you in a moment Right You know They really can't They don't really have Unless they're I mean they can be completely spoiled And it's good to try to teach kids At a young age About fiscal responsibility Let's be honest If they actually have to pay bills There's no money But I'm doing 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