 Our guest presenter today is Mudali Mwanza. We're having a great conversation here. So let's continue With every innovation comes risks and we all have seen how these platforms social media platforms have been abused by scammers body shamers Cyberbullies and just plain rude people. You have been a victim of online attacks yourself How have you managed to navigate all of this? Um First of all, I think social media is just one channel that one can be bullied. But there's also the physical bullying. Yeah And in both cases there are laws That protect each and every single one of us. I Love the law. I love going to my lawyers and that's that's one of my favorite things to do Paisie actually If you insult me you bully me online I will take you to the cleaners. I don't even go live and address you I just call the lawyers Yeah, and they do the things Okay, there are laws that protect each and every single one of us. So we don't have to You know, we don't have to adjust or succumb to people's nonsense You know I feel sad for people who bully other people because I think they have more problems than you do so if somebody's coming at you and You know, reflecting their insecurities on you, they have a bigger problem But then their problems shouldn't be your problem. You shouldn't be insulted because somebody sees Themselves less of you less. Yeah, where do you draw the line? Where where when do you call the lawyers? Because you can't call the lawyers on everybody You have a million followers on facebook and there's a lot of there's a lot of people talking a lot of people talking Yeah, so where's the line there? The other thing is i'm quite busy So I don't see most of the things but the one the things that I do see I do call the lawyers because there's just stuff that's really unacceptable I have built my brand for so many years to get to this point And you are not just going to come online and insult me demean me degrade me And have people look at me a certain way That's going to possibly take away an endorsement deal from me You will not reduce my income because you think I am a b c and d or you think I am this person that I am not So the things that I see and the things that deserve a call from the lawyer I definitely pick up the phone and I make that call. Okay I want to find out from you I know that the law protects everybody from you know cyberbullying with that cyber law in place That is being used to do that but at the end of the day After the lights are switched off you are just more telling ones at home How do you handle that? Cause does bullying get to you when you sit back there? You have your son, you have your mom, you have your family around you And there are all these things being said on social media How do you deal with that? I don't I don't even think about it And I'm looking at you and I'm just like appeasing It doesn't affect you? You have thick skin like that I don't care I'm just like what are you doing? Okay, give me an example Bullying me over what? You don't like my dress There's so many things that happen around you You're going to discuss me but you don't like my dress There's so many things that happen around you Okay, so examples You don't like my dress? I don't care If you want me I don't want your name dropped I've seen a vlogger that did a whole video talking about you And your parenting skills and what you post online And that's how it's affecting your son Doesn't that get to you? No, it doesn't because that guy, first of all Okay, that guy is a sad human being He's in my DM He's been texting me And probably the only reason he's still married Is because I've never spoken I've never addressed him But the day I address half the people that shame me on social media I would destroy their lives with just one post or one video That guy is a sad man No, I don't care And he continues to talk about me If you're texting me privately and you want me and I don't want you You're obsessed Stay in the obsessed corner with your big bums I don't care about you I would never listen to that guy The guy who went out of the country came back with an accident And moves around with a camera Oh, please And I must stay up at night Worrying about that It doesn't bother you at all No, it does not bother me at all And I'm a great mom So he's gonna discuss my parenting skills What does he live in our house? What does he know about my son and I? And what I do with my things? Oh, he should fall back So this is the side of social media These are the things that kind of come with Having the amount of attention that you have Oh dear So Now she was a guest On Hot FM A few days ago They called her back to be a guest on that show And the host Asked her a very leading question And it was a baiting question You know, baiting to bait You know what it is to bait? To bait means, you know, you've got For those of you that are fishing enthusiasts You know, you go fishing for fish You have a fishing rod And then you've got a line And at the end, you've got a hook And on the hook, you put some food on that hook On that hook That's called baiting So when you bait the hook You put food on the hook You throw it in the river And then it sort of It's in the water And the fish Sees the little thingy and boom grabs the bait The Hot FM radio host was baiting Mutale Trying to get a reaction out of her By saying to her There's a social media vlogger And the guy knows who I am He could have just simply said There's this Simon Muehuale in the television He was talking about the way you raise your son What do you think? Or how does that affect you? But oh no, he decided to play it safe And he called me There's a certain social media personality And of course, Mutale took the bait And she went running with it And before I say that This is what I was thinking about Mutale had a few You guys remember A few days ago, she did a video Where she was twerking on a bed In her room And I'm in all fairness, she was fully clothed Okay, and I did a video where I said In America That's perfectly normal in the States In fact, in America, that's nothing In America, that Mutale Mwanza twerking Fully clothed on her bed With her blessed assurance up in the air Mutale Mwanza is a nun in America Because that's nothing But I did a video where I said You know what? You're a mother And you have a son And all I was saying Is that you as an influencer Everything you do You have to do it within the context of your son That's all I'm saying Because I know how social media is I know how children are Children are the worst bullies in the world If you think that social media is bad Oh honey Wait till you go to high school There are some emotional mercenaries in high school Not even high school Go to primary school Those kids are brutal And as a father Because I'm a dad I've got four kids for goodness sake All I was saying was Mutale, you can't live your life for you or you alone You can't do it And I gave her this advice And I give this advice to all social media personalities You have to choose one or the other You can't have both If you're going to be Someone that posts pictures of you as a mother At your son's graduation You can't then turn around the following day And then post a video of you twerking with your blessed assurance Stuck up in the air In a sexual manner in the doggy style position You can't do it You can't Or at least you shouldn't Because I know there's some of you But who are you to tell her what to do and what not to do Well, she's an influencer for goodness sake So everything she does has a ripple effect That was my point Here it is That hot FM radio DJ goaded and baited Mutale Mwanza Mutale Mwanza went off She literally went off the change, boy She said, I'm not going to listen to that man And she said with a big tush Now, here's the thing, guys And let me tell you Let me tell you who started that It was that rascal, Chilo Fiatayale He started this narrative of Where we're having a big tush And then I looked at myself and I said What are they talking about I'm a big tall guy I'm regular There's nothing strange and abstract about my tush There's nothing abnormal about my blessed assurance It is proportionate to the way I'm designed And by the way, I am fearfully And wonderfully made You have to know that I don't walk around saying to you I'm fearfully and wonderfully made I don't do that You know why? Because it's a given It's obvious Here it is, you've got these jokers People like Mutale Mwanza And Chilo Fiatayale That tried to create a false narrative Andrew Ejimadu That rascal that you guys call seer nothing He tried to do the same thing He tried to label me as somebody with a big behind When I'm regular Guys, don't let people body shame you unnecessarily on Facebook If you know you're normal, say you're normal If somebody says you've got a strange looking face And you know you're beautiful Honey, just say I'm beautiful Doesn't matter what you say Now here's the thing Yeah, he did He's the dial, he's the one that started this thing Years ago And you guys bought into that And this is the reason I post pictures of myself from every angle So that you can see And you know so many people When I post it they're like What's strange about that? I mean you look regular to me It is an attempt To make you think that you're abnormal When you're not You're fine, I'm fine I've always said that, I'm fine There's nothing wrong with me In terms of that, my physicality There's nothing wrong with me Now here's the other thing Motale said And this is what I want to hone in on Motale said The man is constantly in my DM Of course I am, at least I was We used to communicate We used to talk Every vlogger Every vlogger in Zambia We speak to one another We're in each other's DMs I can equally say that about her She's in my DM, you know how? Because we speak We used to talk But here's the difference There is nothing in the DM That can remotely threaten my marriage Nothing Because you know her suggestion was If I were to reveal I can destroy your marriages There is nothing in there That could potentially destroy Anyone's marriage Much less my own So my admonition to Motale is That if there's something in there That you are convinced of That will destroy my marriage Honey, more power to you Honey, have at it Honey, take it to the bridge Honey, to the left To the left, do whatever the hell you want Doesn't make any difference It doesn't, you know why? Because there's nothing in there that is Abnormal or incriminating Because here's the tool guys And here's the trick This is what these people do They will throw shade They will be ambiguous They won't be very clear Do this, this would happen And then you guys, the audience You eat it up, you lap it up What did we say? What was that? But when they bait you And they create a smoke screen For you to think that there's something there That could potentially destroy someone's marriage All they have to do is say Oh, if I were to do this It would destroy your marriage Go ahead I'd love to see that I would So my point is We communicate, we speak Or at least we used to So there's nothing incriminating About that There's nothing The same way I speak to Lily Matambo The same way I speak to Ken Dumbo The same way I speak to Tissa the Trendsetter The same way I speak to Yomaps and Kittist Yomaps is in my DM I'm in his DM Lily Matambo is in my DM I'm in her DM And vice versa There's nothing incriminating About that But if you want to create a big Storm in a teacup What you tell your audiences Oh, I tell you if I decided To just release My conversations in the DM Some of these chappals Their marriages would disintegrate But go ahead You only live once Mutale This is your moment to shine It is