 Good evening everyone. I will call the meeting to order at 7 o'clock. We have two sets of minutes to take a look at tonight. First is the hour of the minutes of October 12th, 2021. Is there a motion? I'll move to approve the minutes. I'm sorry, did you do both at the same time? No. For the 12th, that's the first one. For the minutes for October 12th, 2021 with corrections and errors as noted. Corrections and changes as noted. Thank you. Second. Second. Page one. And page two. Hearing no corrections and all those in favor of approving the minutes of October 12th, 2021, say hi. Hi. They opposed. No abstentions. So we have taken care of October 12th. The next one is the hour of the minutes of October 19th. Is there a motion? I'll move to approve the minutes for October 19th, 2021 with any amendments or corrections. Is there a second? I'll second. Page one. On item number five for the animal trapping policy, it notes that we requested that the conservation commission develop a policy for trapping on townlands. But I think, I think we had all agreed that we wanted to develop a policy around banning trapping. Yes. On townlands. And so just adding the word banning. On town property, yes. Uh, it's, I guess, I guess it's technically, it would be page two because it continues on too. Sorry. I see. Greta, conceptually, I'm good with the change, but I wonder if banning, if we should say limiting, because I think we were talking about allowing some types of town approved trapping. Yeah. It was my understanding that we were talking about having them banning trapping for recreational use and then defining that, which is in there. Yes. And then, but, but in the policy, letting, allowing for as needed for town. You're right. For safety and, okay. Yep. But the bottom, the key word is banning and that's good with it. Everybody's good with that. Yep. Okay. Uh, if there's nothing more on page one, page two, and page three, I would have at the very end about adjourning of the meeting, actually, we adjourned the executive session and the meeting at 9 30. Okay. If there are no other further corrections, then all those in favor of approving the minutes of October 19th, 20, 20 Wednesday, I, I, I, any opposed. So we have taken care of the minutes for both the dates and we'll move on then to public comment. Is there anyone on the zoom that wishes to make any public comment? We can move on then to a UVM home health and hospice update. If Maya Ferris is ready to join us on zoom. And can you see and hear me? Okay. Good evening, Maya. Welcome to the select board. I don't know that your father ever forced you to come to a meeting, but I think when she was young, she probably came to I need to recluse myself. Um, is it okay if I just sit here or or should I go in? Oh, no, you're certainly, uh, you need to hear the, the, I'd love to hear the, the comments, the presentation. So, um, and we'll not be taking any action on this, but, um, leaving the hard questions to us, you know, I instructed the select board to ask hard questions. Maya is a director of development for the UVM home health and hospice, uh, uh, organization and, um, welcome. And we're looking forward to your, uh, your update. Thank you so much. And many thanks to Eric for giving me some time on the agenda. It is much appreciated. Um, so I, um, like to go to all of the towns in our service area, which is Chittenden and Grand Isle counties, um, and really show the impact of the support that we receive, um, from, from the towns in our service area. And we'll send them just a tremendous partner of ours. And then we're so grateful for the support that we have received in the budget in past years. So I'd love to bring you up to speed on, um, all that we do as an organization, but also our specific impact right here in Wilson. Um, so as noted, I am the director of development for UVM health network home health and hospice. Um, I was born and raised in right here in Wilson. Um, and I do have a few slides that I'm going to show you, but I'd like to stop, start just speaking like this. And I think it's a little bit nicer when we can be face to face. Um, and I'd like to start just by telling you a quick story about a gentleman that I had the great privilege of meeting just today, um, over an S extension. Um, his name is Russell and he at age 92, about a year ago, he fell and broke his hip and surgery was not an option for him. So he became, began working with one of our amazing physical therapists. Her name is Kelly, um, to regain mobility. Um, and Russell is going to be featured in an upcoming story. So I got to go with Kelly to go and take some photos and it just was so amazing to see this beautiful interaction. Kelly and Russell were so happy to see each other again. And Russell was so proud to show off this progress. Um, he is even, he's up and walking with a walker now. And was even, you know, did a little bit of showing off to show Kelly that he can walk without his walker, although she was quick to tell him, Hey, you should really be using that for safety. Um, and it was just such a great reminder of the work that we do every day. Those types of relationships between caregivers and people in our community are happening truly every single day in homes throughout Williston, Enchin and County. Um, so who is home health and health best? So we were founded in 1906 as the Visiting Nurses Association by a group of women who were concerned about the health of children in their community. But over time, our services have much expanded and we currently care for people starting in pregnancy all the way through early childhood, supporting health for adults and all the way to supporting individuals and families at End of Life. And then we serve about 4,000 people every year, corruption in in grand aisle counties. And then in 2018, we joined the UVM health network. And that is when we changed our name from the BNA, which we have been known as for many years, to UVM health network home health and hospice. And I know that there's, you know, some folks that I've had the chance to speak to, there are definitely some questions around what does it mean to be part of the health network? What does that mean for your status as a nonprofit? And just questions like that. So I'd love to take a moment just to talk about what it means to be part of the health network. So as as the health network, we it means that we can work together with the other hospitals that are in the health network, both in Vermont and New York, to really make sure that we're collectively addressing the health needs of our community, and we can achieve some economies of scale. So crucially, during the pandemic, we were able to secure PPE at rates that we as a non member of the network would never have been able to do. So that was crucial to keeping our staff and patients safe during this time. But we are still an independent nonprofit with our own budget, our own presidents and our own board of directors. And of course, as a nonprofit, we have the same need to fund raising every year to support the work that we're doing. And before I launch into the presentation, which I promise I will soon, I'd like to share just a little bit about how our funding structure has changed over time, specifically related to funding from towns and cities in our service area. So way back when the BNA was established, most towns employed a town nurse. And when the BNA was coming together, towns realized that they could support the BNA as an organization that would serve the entire county and thus remove that town nurse position from the town budget. And so at one point, funding from towns and cities in our service area constituted, I think it was almost half of our total operating budget. So it's been a huge, huge part of our ability to do what we do since the very, very beginning. All right. So I am going to launch my presentation now. It's only about five slides, but I promise it's short. And then I will have plenty of time for questions. So let me just share my screen. All right. Are y'all seeing a presentation in front of you? Okay. I'm seeing not. Great. All right. Well, I just always like to start with this slide that lists the various services that we provide, because I think not all of them are well known. And as you can see, looking at this list, it really shows the breadth of the programs that we provide to this community. And as you can see, we have programs serving people from pregnancy and birth all the way through the end of life. And many of our programs provide care right in our client's homes. And we know that in many cases, this is where patients want to be and where they achieve the best health outcomes. It also crucially allows caregivers to assess the home environment and just be aware of different factors that may be affecting the patient's health that would just not be possible in hospital or clinical setting. But we have a few programs that do not occur in the home. The McLaren Miller Rested House is one that many know of. It's a hospice residence based in Colchester. It is a home away from home for people at the end of their lives and really just offers a comforting and home-like environment for the families so that families can focus on exactly what they need to be focused on while their loved one is approaching the end of their life. And then about half of our residents at the house receive free or charitable care. And we are Vermont's only Medicare certified and patient hospice residents. And the Rested House is our only program that serves the full state of Vermont. Our other programs are just for children and grand-child characters. Our adult day program is our other program that is not based in the home. And it's a program for seniors and adults who want to live independently but may need just some extra help for daily activities. It's a really fun and social program. But we're participants also receive nearly all of their nutritional needs for a day and receive medical care from staff nurses. So it's a really, really important program and I think crucially one of the hidden benefits is that it provides respite for family members or other two maybe caregivers for the elders in their lives. And so it allows folks the chance to work part-time or full-time or just to have a day off to like do the laundry and the grocery shopping if they really are providing that full care for their loved one. All right this next slide shows just the high level of our organization so you can see the number of employees that we have that we're employing right here in this area the number of patients who have been a year and then what that looks like in terms of hours of care and full visits. So I think this gives a sense of kind of the breadth of all that our organization is doing in this community. And these final two slides are where I really dive into our impact to write in Williston. And Eric I did I was able to get the updated numbers for Williston since the numbers that he saw were from our previous fiscal year and so we have now updated for our current fiscal year. But the numbers really are quite similar. So you can see that in our last fiscal year we've provided care for 227 Williston residents and you can see what that care looks like with over 4,000 visits and over 1,100 hours a year. And services really run the gamut and physical therapy, social work, nursing, really running the gamut of all of the different services that we provide in this community. And finally the impact of support. So I love that first bullet point there where we really need to provide care to everyone who needs that regardless of their ability to pay. And we do that because it's the right thing to do but we also know that when everyone in our community is healthier our community as a whole is healthier. So it's so important to providing care to the most vulnerable in our community and we all, we all have access to that. So every year in order to provide care to everyone who needs it we provide millions of dollars in charitable care throughout our service area. In FY20 that was 2.2 million dollars of free or charitable care that we provided. And so that is the care that we are fundraising to be able to provide every single year. And in Williston specifically we provided just over a hundred thousand dollars in that free or charitable care. And so that's right to our neighbors and fellow citizens right in Williston who would not have been able to receive that care otherwise. And gifts from towns in our service area truly play a huge part in being able to ensure that we can provide that care to everyone who needs it. All right I am going to stop sharing so that we can see everyone who's better. And I would love to hear any questions, comments, really anything. And if I don't know the answer now I can always get back to you but please bring on the hard question. Thank you very much for your presentation. It tells us a lot about where the money goes that Williston has been providing for number of years. So members of the board, questions for Maya? Hi Maya, Gordon. I'll start first thank you very much for the detailed presentation in the background. You know I think we're really privileged to have such an option for folks in our town and throughout the county. On a personal note you know we were very fortunate to utilize these services of my own family. We chose to keep you know our family member at home but we utilized primarily nursing who any staff we interacted with was spectacular, courteous, respectful, helpful. If they didn't know they'd be honest and tell you they didn't know but they'd find some type of resolution for you. So just a very positive experience on a personal level and I've just heard from lots of folks in town that have gone through whether it's end of life or early pregnancy or whatever the case is. Nothing but really good reviews and the works amazing. And I just thank you for what you shared tonight and if you could pass along our gratitude to the whole staff and I know that's a big staff but the work is worthwhile and it's acknowledged and it's appreciated. Thank you so much for that. That means a lot. I really appreciate you sharing that. Other questions or comments? I echo Gordon you know thank you thank you very much. I had the other end of kind of life experience. The visiting nurses association at the time came when I had after a traumatic birth with my first born and so they came for for many weeks and months afterwards to visit and check in on us and and it was just such such an amazing and needed service and so yeah very much thank you for all you do and I think it's important to know you know you put in there you know that you provide you know the hundred thousand dollars of charitable care but you know that the number of hours and visits and things like that is so much greater. I know that just to our town and I know that that's not all charitable but but really the scope of that service is huge and so you know we on behalf of the town thank you. Well thank you thank you. I was impressed with the the number of people that you served in Williston for sure. We do certainly have a large elderly population in town and growing probably every year so a great service I can echo the the the thanks of my mother-in-law long time ago was provided service by visiting nurses so it was very good very good. Thinking about the respite house the the new facility has room for how many how many patients. Yeah the new facility has 21 beds which is a great increase from the old facility in Williston which was a 13 bed facility. Good is that pretty much full up all the time. You know it's been really interesting because I started in this role almost exactly one year ago and so I have been with this organization all in COVID time and we definitely saw a decrease in our census during COVID which I think makes sense there was so much here from the families around any type of facility that there may be a complete lockdown and they wouldn't be able to see or contact their loved one which fortunately we never had to do with the respite house but we know that that definitely affected the census so it has not been always full up there are definitely days when we we aren't able to accept someone because we have no room and then there are days when there's a number of vacancies so it really does fluctuate day to day. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Thank you very much for all you do for us for the county as well. Thank you so much for your time and I just will end with saying that our president Adrian Johnson Roth and I were able to meet with Eric and Shirley to give a similar presentation and just to talk about you know how we can best help meet the health needs for Williston and we talked about you know some interesting ideas for partnering just to make sure that our services are well known to folks in Williston so we talked about you know when I think there's a seniors group that hasn't been meeting recently but if they're meeting again you know coming to a presentation we're so open to any ways that we can partner to better help health outcomes for for folks in Williston so our doors are open and if you have ideas please pass on to Eric to start the conversation with me and Adrian. Thank you so much we look forward to your next update so thanks again. Great, well thank you all. Thank you. Moving on to the next item which would be errors and omissions for 2021 Bill Hinman is planning on joining us I think by by remote. We can Bill. Each year do we have any new slide board members this year so to give a kind of a brief update on what we do for errors and omissions or just move right in. Have you been on this for errors and omissions? No I have not been here for errors and omissions yet. Okay so we have one new one. So each year we found that we make probably a half a dozen sometimes a dozen errors and presenting the groundless that can be anything from evaluation that was missed due to a permit that was misread or a transfer that included another person that we didn't pick up on the deed it's a you know a company of different items each year and then what we do is we try to make that correction to the current year's grand list so that we can reflect the actual values and accurate names for each individual property and property owner within the grand list because once it's finalized as of December 31st by state statute we cannot make any more changes to that grand list and then if any changes are needed after that date we would have to go through what's known as the abatement process which does not relieve us of our responsibility for education. So ultimately we try to find everything we can if we find something between now and December 1st we would actually try to come back again to the board to get their permission to make sure that we're only sending the amount of education taxes to the state that we have to if it involves a decrease. This year we were very fortunate we had very little in regards to errors and the board actually I hope is looking at the errors that are in the board it's basically two different specific items one being name corrections and the other being solar. This past spring we had captured some of the solar one of them was on Hurricane Lane on a fixed array that you can see from the side of the road the ones you could not see that I wanted to capture this year were the rooftops and unfortunately the only way that I could find through the state of Vermont to capture and find these rooftop solars was to go through certificate of public goods and what we found was there was a probably 20 to 25 different certificate of public goods that were issued by the state but only a handful of those that actually built those arrays and so we in conjunction with Dick and Debbie sent out letters to each individual property owner that had received a certificate of public good requiring whether they had or had not installed that solar received those received those questionnaires back in the mail after the grand list was filed but we still need to add them in because it's it's a little extra revenue for the town and it and so it actually reflects what we need to do equitably for those people that are actually captured solars that are you know ground solars that we actually see from the road I've inquired to the property valuation review department whether there's a list of those solars as they get built and come online I know they pay education taxes to the state of Vermont depending on how much solar electricity they do produce but was informed there's no database available so this is our best option to send out the questionnaires and fortunately we did receive a very good response people were very straightforward with us and there's a for example ilh which is std is griswold sorry it's not griswold island had a certificate of public good so he inquired whether they built and they did not the o'brien brothers was another that they had the certificate that they did not build so we were able to capture at least three of those this year and put through our system and give them a valuation which increases our municipal ground list and gives us a net benefit to the ground list and therefore the budget ultimately for evidence if anybody has any questions I think I can actually quickly go through how we do this so the board knows the first one you're going to see on your changes is going to be harvest land solar LLC and that change created a parcel with a value of 147,340 we use a program called pv solar which the state recommends and that program we input what the capacity is of the solar panels with the inverter size is what the duration of life expectancy is and then the state also provides us with what's called a discount rate which basically turns that income into value that rate currently stands by state at 13.31% which I've considered to be quite high but again it's a state set number so we have to go along with that number once we receive that number through pv solar we're required by state statute to reduce that 70% of the value so the value that you see at 147,340 is actually about 210,000 dollars in value so we do not capture the entire amount but we do capture 70% of that total value to add to our grant list and all the rest of them are treated the same way otherwise everything seems to be pretty straightforward if anybody has any questions I'd be glad to entertain them unfortunately the Tampa Bay or excuse me excuse me the Astros are playing so I can't give you updates on the game scores it's money the last the last errors the missions I did but the town of Georgia I was actually giving them live updates so it was kind of fun so the bottom line is that we will get an additional tax of $1,552.50 that is correct and usually we see sometimes we see a negative number on that on that number yeah it happens occasionally generally speaking more than not we actually see an increase but there are occasions that it does happen we do see that happen on occasion but generally speaking I think over the last 10 years we've probably had a positive increase in the municipal grant list that I remember that in the last 10 years questions Jeff anybody hey Bill how are you just some inquiries about the three solar projects that got added and I think I know the answer but I'm still going to ask the question anyway so when a entity like the first one here listed which is harvest solar harvest lane solar when they add a project they don't have to go through and obtain a zoning permit of some sort for their solar project I do not believe that they do especially I think that I think the land based ones say for instance sideline properties up on hurricane lane who have fixed arrays that are actually in the ground do have to get the building permits green mountain power with their large array of mountain view did have to get permits but the ones that go rooftop I don't believe they are but I stand to be corrected by Matt if I'm wrong on that but we have not seen permits for those that's why we went to the certificates of public good as an avenue yeah okay then my next question has to do with the value in the part about 70 percent that makes sense that's an incentive to to do solar projects my question has to do with why is the value based on the amount of electricity or the revenue that can be generated versus the value of the solar panels themselves and as a for instance we have solar panels on our roofs and I think and maybe I'm wrong maybe it's different for residential but the increase in the value of our home was based on the value of the solar panels themselves how much it cost us to put those on our roof sure I said that's an excellent question so solar has become an issue in the last say 15 years anything so for the board's information anything that is under 50kw and is used for residential purpose is not taxable we cannot assess it and therefore charge taxes as a result so the residential property owners are insulated from that tax and assessment now with respect to the value when I first started looking at solar when they first started appearing on my radar when I was doing appraisals I'm looking at them saying okay this solar project let's say cost $30,000 to build back then the efficiency of these solar panels was not nearly what it is today and so I inquired to the property owners I said okay what was your what was your electric bill right and now what is your electric bill and let's say for argument's sake that electric bill was $200 and now was zero well that's $200 of net income that that property owner is now receiving because they don't have that bill and if you multiply that times 12 you get 2,400 bucks a year well an income which we do for commercial properties we do what's called capitalization we turn that income into value based upon the return on the investment and so typically we use 10% so in that case the $2,400 in savings or you know income whichever way you want to look at it created $24,000 in additional value to that residential property and even though that that cost of that solar was 30,000 right I could not justify because I had no market data from people willing to pay for these properties that had solar arrays to go by to say okay here's my justification for $30,000 I have to have sales to back that up I didn't have any sales so we utilize simply an income approach now we have evolved and now generally speaking if you look at the cost of these solar arrays and you look at the income produced they're pretty much equal and so you're getting more of a bang for your buck and so if you're selling your house just for $400,000 and you put a solar array on it for $20,000 you would expect to sell it for $420,000 and the income arrived from that or the savings arrived from that would justify that extra $20,000 does that make sense yeah it just was sort of I don't know what the great word is but just you know just trying to figure out why the income-based valuation versus a cost-based valuation sure the other part of it Jeff is a lot of these a lot of people are leasing these over a 15-year period and so they don't actually phone the solar panels they lease them and so that's where it gets even more convoluted because if you were selling your property the person that's buying your property is stuck with a lease that they can't get out of right and so that even makes it even more convoluted as to what's that value increase and the good thing is from an assessment purpose I don't have to deal with it because we can't tax it right so that's out of my belly with it as a private appraiser from the market standpoint of you we've come much much closer to saying that that installation is worth what it costs you in the first place okay and then my last question Bill is on all three cases the change is titled or is described as create new parcel and why does a new parcel have to be created this has nothing to do with anything other than why a new parcel has to be created it and nothing to do with whether I will agree or disagree with these changes sure it's a great question generally speaking all commercial properties not I should say oh that's a bad word most of these commercial properties are leasing their rooftops to individual companies to put these solar panels so property owner of Harvest Lane Solar LLC is not Harvest Lane Solar LLC it's a different entity somebody else owns the land building Harvest Lane Solar owns the panels and is leasing that space on that roof for their panels yeah okay so the actual people your your tax who are getting a tax bill now is Harvest Lane Solar not whoever owned the building who owns the building okay that is absolutely correct I get I get okay that makes sense yeah good thank thank you no problem and it's all I mean there's these companies a lot of companies out of Colorado now that are putting these in all over the state of Vermont and they all have this central Fort Collins Colorado address and a lot you'll see a lot of their their co-op they're not major they're minor 500 KW fields they're kind of they're not huge but they're big you can see in long routes seven a lot of areas and they're putting in a lot of these 500 KW fields and they're leasing the land for the property owner but they own the panels they own the you know the the high beams all the infrastructure that's involved in it yeah yeah okay good any further questions for Bill if that we're looking I'm looking for a motion I'll move to approve the corrections to the 2021 grand list as proposed by the listeners is there a second a second is there a discussion on the motion like the way they were all positive yes hearing all there's no other discussion all those in favor of the motion say aye aye aye aye aye any opposed that we have 4-0 well so thank you Bill appreciate the information great to see you all take care we'll be moving on to the mud pond management plan with Melinda and hopefully Melinda will be joining us yep she is ready Melinda I was going to approach you a panelist just a moment and just for everyone watching at home at mud pond we have two areas we have the area with the recreational area with mountain biking and a conservation area and this plan that Melinda is going to share with you this evening is the conservation area thank you Eric good evening good evening Melinda thank you for joining us tonight it's been you're welcome about the the management plan for mud pond yeah town staff has been working with the conservation commission over the last several months to draft a management plan for the mud pond conservation area and as as Eric explained there are two natural areas that the town owns off of you know right opposite each other on south road the mud pond country park and the mud pond conservation area back in 1993 a joint management plan was drafted that covered both of these parks and after that was done the conservation commission you know really realized that they're managed in different ways and so they thought it was a good idea to have separate management plans for each in 2002 a management plan was drafted for the mud pond country park and last updated in 2017 this will be the first standalone management plan for the mud pond conservation area and so we I think it was yeah in July we put a first draft for a management plan up on the website we sent the plan to get public input from stakeholders emailed various stakeholders that are listed in the memo and then we solicited public comment through front porch forum the website the local paper and I've attached some written feedback that we did receive from folks that was a part of your packet the conservation commission also conducted a site walk last summer reaching out by mail to a budding property owners and several budding property owners attended the walk and mainly the purpose was just to to get more feedback and to to get a real sort of hands-on experience with with nearby residents of the of the park and and hear their input for managing it so at this point we're requesting select board feedback on the plan here you can choose to either adopt it or you can choose to send it back to the conservation commission with for revision if you have any questions about anything specific in the plan I'm happy to to address those good thank you it's a very extensive right up and so for those of the board members who have questions specific to the plan and this is the time to raise them Greta Gordon I just just a couple couple things so in reviewing it it doesn't appear that there's any kind of major significant costs at this point in terms of there's no plans to add anything it's just upkeep costs going forward for some of the existing structures and planning to you know eventually replace like the the boardwalk and and those kinds of things is that correct yeah that's correct there is a I think a a note that the town may want to consider additional parking on the west side of Mudpond but we'd really need to investigate the feasibility of that prior to investing any any amount of money really in that but there has been a bit of traffic especially over the past you know couple years there's been increasing traffic of people coming from from that side of Mudpond accessing it via the the old town road the Mudpond road off of Oak Hill Road and so people park in this sort of I don't know it's it's it's an existing pull off and it really can only fit a couple of cars and I've heard from a budding landowners that sometimes people park alongside their Oak Hill Road and that can kind of be a dangerous situation so maybe something that we might want to think about for the future my my only other note was I've been reading the kind of feedback from some of the the people the landowners nearby there was actually two opposing viewpoints about dogs that were presented in the feedback and so I just wanted to you know I know that some of the other the town properties have you know either limited or said you know no dogs at all was it a word was mentioned of dogs in the park intentionally left out or is that something or is there a townwide you know kind of policy to address that yeah so policies around dog walking in parks can be confusing because there are different policies in different parks and the the omission was was actually not intentional and you know so so the plan is silent on dogs and whether you know I guess with the assumption that if it's that they're not explicitly prohibited they're allowed and it's silent on on whether dogs should be reached or not my inclination is to continue allowing off leash dogs in this park just simply because there seems to be a great I don't know demand from from residents who have dogs to want to walk their dogs off leash it seems to be an area that could you know of course I mean there there are impacts to wildlife of course but you know it seems like especially because there are certain parks that now don't allow dogs that you know I I think this is probably an area that can allow dogs and allow them off leash well good question about the dogs and just to continue on with that I do hope that the town does take a look at that I don't know what the right answer is on the one hand I understand there's a need for places for people to be able to take their dogs I just wonder if a conservation area given that part of the reason for the conservation area is to protect wildlife if that might be a conflict I don't want to say I know the answer I don't but it is something hope we would we would look at nice report Melinda couple questions if you don't mind I'm on page hang on I'm gonna get there page 11 and what caught my eye was the total replacement cost of the structures that are in this park is roughly half a million dollars and that's a lot that's one of those sticker shock type a lot so I just want to make sure that when we have a resource such as this conservation park and we have this infrastructure in there and we know it's used that we have a plan for replacing it when it needs to be replaced i.e. it needs to be part of the capital budget if we don't do that then should we really have a park with the with this infrastructure moving on my note is on page 13 it actually applies to other parts the new parking area agree with the concept of more parking is needed we we've heard that about the parking that the mountain bikers and hikers and I assume dog walkers who use the country park at times is overflowing and it's negative impact on residents who live in that area if a new parking area is can be built and is built on the is it the west side sorry disorientated here a little bit on the west side would that parking area be also would that parking area be allowed would mountain bikers be allowed to use that parking area i.e. could it serve to help alleviate the parking problem that happens with the existing parking lot and is there problems with that because they'd have to mountain bike in an area in which mountain biking is not allowed to be able to get to the part of the country park where mountain biking is allowed you don't have to yeah i think that okay yeah it's just kind of pointing pointing that out i'm on 16 under harvest of trees and plants and it's just a term that i didn't understand what it meant and you find it in a couple places but in the last sentence under harvest of trees and plants where it says exceptions can be allowed for the cultural harvest and use of trees such as black ash and the term i don't understand is cultural harvest what what is that referring so this was a point that was brought up by a member of the conservation commission Laura Meyer and and what she means by that is that Native American tribes use black ash to make baskets and so it's considered a really important part of their culture okay we just might want to provide a little kind of definition of what that or example of what that now i get it and yes i can see where that would be an acceptable use you know provided the town reviews you know what tree or trees would come down blah blah blah if that were worth it okay good thank you and then i think this is last but not least i don't know where the best place to to to say where i found it is and it's the snowmobiles and it's not an objection but we have this conservation park area park but yet snowmobiles are allowed those commonly don't go together and so i guess my question is is is there to your knowledge any negative impact of the use of that snowmobile trail and does it make any sense to move the trail and know is a perfectly fine answer to to both questions yeah i i mean that's a good question generally in the winter time when the ground is frozen and there's snowmobiles using the trails that doesn't necessarily result in a negative impact but i i do notice in the spring and summer that's where the snowmobile trail is is very wet i mean it's it's in the wetland buffer and it was built before the the current state wetland rules it would probably never be permitted today but it's grandfathered in as far as moving it there's not really i don't think there's any room to move it within the town parcel perhaps if a budding landowners were amenable they you know they they could move they could consider moving it if they you know but the snowmobile trail is sort of like a to the best of my knowledge of grandfathered use there was i believe in the in the 1993 plan there was discussion about closing off the snowmobile trails but i think that that's just something that you know is not is not has never been under discussion since i think just because that it's considered this sort of i don't know grandfathered allowed allowed use and i'm not advocating that it that it be closed i'm just wondering if a are there impacts from it that we should be aware of and are there alternative locations that could work equally well one thing i do want to point out also as i note the description of it it's described as a main north south trail which tells me it's probably you know for for snowmobile trail heavily sounds like it's heavily used yeah okay that's it for me any other questions i just got a couple to piggyback i just want to go back melinda the 13th and in the parking because i know we had some residents in the past that have come in pretty lively around a negative impact of people that are maybe you know staying after dust you know car locks going off in the dark those types of things and like where are we at in the planning stages because i know we had talked about some alternative kinds of plans to think about for parking because you know six six spots definitely you know i i sometimes drive by coming home from work and takes you know south road around i live on on kill road and sometimes there's you know at least twice as many you know cars there and i can see perspective and i'm just curious where we're at with that looking at that scope and how far out or what what the plan might be yeah so i believe the left i think it's been a year and a half or so i can't remember the last time we discussed it as like we're meeting with the local resident i haven't heard from him since then so i hope that's a good sign i do think that that because of all of the new mountain biking trails in richmond that there's probably the use at mud pond country park may be decreasing because of that we have been monitoring usage via trail cameras and to the to to sort of my what i've seen thus far is that five tree hill and sucker brook get way more use than mud pond country park and so i think yes it's a small parking lot but i think that you know i i haven't heard any recent complaints about behavior or noise we've put up signs saying that the park is closed after dark you know we we have repeatedly tried to reinforce just you know being good neighbors and being good stewards so i think you know i think people are getting the message the times that i've been out to to past mud pond parking area i've never i personally have never seen it full occasionally from from my experience there might be a couple cars parked along the road but you know i just i don't i don't see that the the use is increasing since the last time we talked about this and what i came away from that meeting with is that you know we were kind of kind of monitor and just you know but there weren't again weren't other viable alternatives for parking in the vicinity that would you know yeah that would meet the local and state environmental standards so we continue to monitor it yeah no i would agree i think it's been quiet which has been good because that tells me you know things have been at least somewhat steady and calm with less less traffic there and alternatives you know our i work in richmond in our local school there's a there's a lot of other places besides that that one park that are visited so i think that may have helped alleviate that i was just curious if you had heard any feedback and it's glad to hear that it's been quiet well thank you other questions comments no good thank you if we're ready to take action on the the plan there's a motion suggested tonight well before we make them or somebody make a motion i'm wondering if this is a case where what i referred to as the two-week rule and what that means is we if we can wait to the next meeting between maybe the newspaper the observer picks this up or people watching this live might have a question a comment that we want to consider before we approve it so linda is there an issue with waiting to the next meeting no great if then there's no objection by the board we can postpone action on this for at least until the next meeting yeah thank you very good okay thank you linda thank you linda thank you we're going to continue welcome and uh to the public festival's ordinance amendments that eric should lead it off and then melinda will continue on yeah thanks terry so this is something we've had on our to-do list here for a little bit in town so the town has a public festival's ordinance and history's interesting it was established back in 1971 this was a couple years after the original woodstock festival in our neighborhood to the west of york and we all should award tie dye tonight a throwback so we you know without digging into our our town fault too much on this our presumption is this was established after woodstock in williston to make sure a a woodstock didn't occur in williston or there was some very strict parameters around any outdoor festivals in town so it's been 50 years since this ordinance has been amended and certainly things have changed a lot in the last 50 years and i've asked staff and the planning department to take the lead on this and and looking at possible changes for the board to to think about and and consider here and melinda's going to walk you through this tonight just kind of some structural changes we're thinking about for your consideration you'll hear about really looking to have a complete rewrite of this ordinance and really look to tailor it more towards public events moving forward so for the board tonight Melinda will walk through this initial you can call it a first reading looking for feedback on the general structure and and the idea for behind this ordinance potential change any feedback on it specifically and then if the board wants to move forward with looking to amend this ordinance and essentially rewrite it I would then do more internal review with staff like to have our public safety departments take a take a closer look at this that this is the direction the board like to move in and also have a legal review before we bring it back for a second reading and eventually a public hearing on it if the board wants to move in that direction so kind of that's kind of the process for the board to think about tonight if there's not any questions on that I can turn toward Melinda to to walk through it here um yeah sure do you want me to share a screen or um how how's the best way to do this where you can share okay great fine they have the memo prepared by mad as well Melinda yes okay great yep so first of all just to denote the difference between a special event and a use that's permitted under zoning so you know why would we even consider a special event ordinance with special events the way in which they're different are that they're that they are temporary and and you know so using a special events permit rather than a zoning permit makes some sense because a zoning permit it allows a use which is is permit is permanent and can't be a revoked whereas a special event permit is a is a permit for a temporary use and so you know the advantages you give a special you you um give a special event permit to someone and if they don't uphold the conditions of that permit then you revoke the permit and it's a pretty simple and straightforward process okay let's see so so basically just to summarize some of the elements that we'd like you to consider the we we've tried to to put some thresholds on the frequency both the frequency and the duration of special events events in residential areas are limited to shorter duration events but where greater frequency of events is allowed for example like having a food truck night a concert series etc there are also those events in commercial districts such as a big tent sale that takes over an entire you know large parking lot which might last for like 30 days so we'd like some feedback and some consideration on the nature of limitations on the duration and frequency of events also you may want to consider using a different name for this permit maybe it's a it's a temporary event permit because it could be confused with the the permits issued by the select board in the department of liquor control are also special event permits and then but the last thing is that this draft allows for the for the authority to issue permits to be delegated to the manager and allows the manager to refer applications to the select board at the manager's discretion so events that are small in scope and duration could be perhaps signed by the town manager but maybe larger events maybe there's a threshold of either the amount of attendees the duration of the event the number of events whereby the select board would review an issue a special event permit so as we go through this just basically I staff would be interested in knowing like whether we're on the whether this is on the right track and whether you know you have specific feedback about those thresholds that I've mentioned so basically so so going on to section one is just an intense statement and the authority that's that's provided under state statute in the town's charter to to have a special event permitting process the definition of a special event so basically it's a temporary use and then the limitations are a special event that's in any zoning district and is for a duration not to exceed eight hours and is a single event or as part of a series of events that take place no more than 12 times a calendar year so those are sort of some thresholds to take a look at and you know decide you know kind of discuss if those are sound good or there should be you know a shorter duration a longer duration et cetera also we've made a distinction between an event that's in any zoning district and an event that that is that can't be that is in any zoning district other than the village zoning district agro residential zoning district or residential zoning district um simply because this might be an event that's that's a long duration and you know and a big a bigger type event like a tent sale or something like that that would create you know in our opinion be too impactful and in those residential zoning districts so basically a series of events are proposed such as a performance weekend sale or other sequence of events that are not continuous in time so so if there's like an event series each event in the series would constitute a separate event subject to the requirements and limitations therein but maybe permitted through a single special event permit for the series so somebody could get a single special event for like a whole series of food truck nights or something like that but you could still have the ability to revoke the permit for like the remaining series of events if say the permity did not abide by the conditions of the permit for you know the first couple of events and there were complaints and problems that would you know allow you to revoke the the remaining series of events um okay um so basically this this talks about the requirement of a special event permit issued from the town of wilson's like border town manager and some exemptions including events sponsored by the town of wilson or any of the town's departments any events sponsored by public school district located in wilson any event structure site development establishment or change of use or other land development that has a permit issued under the wilson development bylaw so this is just saying if if there is a use that may constitute a series of events but requires that has more permanency and requires like a permanent structure like parking or building that's not going to be removed after the series after the series ends then that would be permitted through zoning and through the drb so we're really making the distinction between of a special event as being temporary and that means you know all of the structures associated with it go away once that event ends so section three it just goes over the requirements to get to submit an application for special event pretty pretty much what we see on our special event permit application of today you know and a filing fee would be required the select word could waive could choose to waive the fee for nonprofit nonprofit applicants or in other appropriate circumstances um and then talks about if the manager may delegate the review of special events to the select board and the select board or manager can consult other town departments such as planning and zoning fire police public works when reviewing a special event permit application similarly to how we do today so the select board or manager can approve or deny an application there's a whole host of reasons why an application might be denied including the applications incomplete the applicant refuses to abide or comply with conditions if you feel like the the event will unnecessarily disrupt the movement of traffic or be disruptive be unnecessarily and overly disruptive on abutting property owners or put exceed the town's police force ability to serve all of these things you know basically endangering if it would endanger public safety or health etc and also something that will probably come up pretty frequently is you know if the event will generate a level of noise that requires a variance from the wiliston noise ordinance that has not been granted by the select board so if there's a reason that you wouldn't want to grant a temporary variance of the noise ordinance that would also allow you to deny a permit and then finally you can there's the ability to impose conditions on a special event permit to protect health and safety and ensure compliance with other applicable town ordinances limits on the hours of operation limits on the number of attendees requirements for lavatory facilities solid waste disposal recycling composting limits on sound amplification restriction or prohibition of open fires etc and then section six goes over uh possible the ability to revoke a permit and so and the process for doing that so any permit may be revoked by action select board at an emergency special or regular meeting and select board determines the safety of the public or property requires such revocation or that the permit was issued based upon false information or the permittees exceeded the scope of the permit or the permit conditions and basically the notice of permit revocation be delivered in writing to the permittee and then finally just section seven goes over the penalties civil penalties maybe assessed and collected and that's yeah so that's that's pretty much it for the special event permit itself and then there's just a few possible zoning amendments that define what a special event is and then states the conditions under which a special event permit would be required rather than rather than zoning permit and then talks about you know constructing more permanent facilities so so this is something where you know if if if somebody wants to hold a series of events and and they become more permanent in nature or they need the person needs to construct a parking facility to accommodate all these events that would be something that would be permitted by zoning by a zoning permit okay and yeah and so that's that's pretty much it and then you know you can see we've also attached the old the old ordinance if you wanted to have a look at that but if you have any questions for me now I'm happy to try and answer them the board as we have consensus that we want to revise the existing ordinance and if we're not then we can forget the rest of the discussion so well I'm in favor of another Woodstock and Williston right we do need to so no I'm I'm in favor yeah so okay then we look to go forward with a revision then and now questions or comments for Melinda do you want I'll give you I know you like to to wrap it up so just a just a few things I do think that given that there already is the language for another use for the special event language I do think it would be imperative to have this have a different name just to to make that distinction whether it's temporary special event or whatnot but I'm that does seem like that would be you know important to have the other you mentioned just you know input on on timing and under section one point one and you know I just I noted that that one of the you put put in eight hours for for an event if that was if there was some reasoning behind that it's you know it seems like that would cover most things but but you know I can imagine that there might be you know a craft fair or something that you know could could be 12 hours or you know a recreational event in the summer that could exceed those hours easily so yeah that was those were my two points so yeah I mean like like 12 hours for that one seemed more but that was that was my only no other note other comments Gordon my biggest one was just the distinction of what it's called is so it's really clear because I think that could be very murky depending on what's granted for for what reason Melinda one thing that might help I think would help me is to run through a couple things that are currently going on and see if they would how they would be impacted by the ordinance as proposed so let me start with one which is a food truck that's currently located on North Williston Road down by the border with Essex just before you go over the bridge over the Winooski River and it's it's there I think basically permanently parked I don't know if it's parked there in the winter but during the summer it's there you know all the time at least every time I pass by it it's part of a cycling route I do and every time it's been there because that's I think located in the ag rural district would that food truck be permitted under this ordinance I'm actually not familiar some other planning staff probably are but I would say because if it's really there all the time that it it wouldn't qualify to be permitted under a special event that it would really be a use that would have to be permitted under zoning well I think it's it's it's meant to be temporary because it's a food truck it's just parks there for I assume longer than two months yeah that's a good question I don't know if I have an answer right now and that's totally fine I just you know I don't mean to put you on spot that's not what I'm trying to do I'm just trying to understand how about some of the events that go on at Catamount you know they have the mountain bike series training series during the summer they have the running training series they host some high school races they do sorry cyclocross bike races would those events be subject to this ordinance yes yeah in fact they have gotten a handful of special event or miss this summer quite a few actually probably more than a handful but but yeah and I I would have to go back and look to see what the duration of those events I mean usually it's like a cross-country running race or something that would take place during the day and then be done but I I'm trying to think if there were any events that were like more than a day-long event um I don't think I recall any but that is a good question well Linda one that comes to mind is I think we had some scouts that tent it out on a on a bike kind of a bike trip they were doing that could be just a little bit longer duration with the overnight yeah yeah or they run summer camps you know where it's five days a week that um that wouldn't be a special event that's just part of their sort of normal day-to-day outdoor recreation operations so I think that's just going to be the tricky part of the ordinance is is how do you differentiate between something that's a special event and something that's a it's more like a service they offer you know a day not that I think a day camp says as a service but it kind of you know um well that's I mean that's like a that's a permanent use and they you know they have a parking lot that you know of course they use their parking lot for special events but but that I see that as as a pretty clear distinction that that's like you know a permanent that's one of their uses or you know they're there um they operate a outdoor recreation center and part of that includes running summer camps and running having you know weekly races and stuff like that yeah so I'm sorry I'm sorry I could offer a couple others and you know COVID kind of brought this forward to us we've been having this on our to-do list here for a couple years but we're trying to get more outdoor uses especially last summer questions came up for in the planning department in my office about how can we do this and well I've really had that request before and how should we treat it this year then gave us pause to think how should we rework have the slide board look at how our ordinance is structured here but we've had additional food truck nights that have occurred we've had some folks hosting outdoor plays some out of private residents and I could see that potentially continuing to grow so those are some events that that we've kind of had firsthand coming to our our attention here in last year okay and then my last example to try to figure this out and it would be the events that happened at the Isham farm this summer there are quite a few public events yes that's a very good example because in my opinion it probably would have been better handled through a special event from it yeah but that yeah that to me you know there there and there was a lot of there were a lot of different types of events and some were related to agriculture and others weren't and you know so I think that certainly the the summer series the theater series probably would have been better handled as a special event series okay and when and I'm sorry these just keep on popping my head when for instance at the Isham farm if they have a wedding there would that be considered a special event or is that part of it well as they offer it's it's part of the use that's permitted under their wedding under their banquet hall okay you know historic bar and banquet hall so that's that's why it's it's confusing to me but but you know the the the weddings that are held are clearly associated with with the with the wedding barn so that's a use that's permitted that's been permitted through zoning okay okay yeah the part about been permitted through zoning makes sense as a way to differentiate why it's not a special event okay and I think that's that's it for me before we go to the audience any other comments or questions from the board members got a question I do but should I come to the your please when you you can unmask so we can hear you oh thank you I'd appreciate that well thank you for giving me a you pardon me identify yourself please I'm Deb Mackdile I live at 1256 old stage road here in town I first became interested in this issue specifically the residential portion of this because a while back there was some discussion of having food trucks up on the residential portion of old stage road and so I had a couple of different discussions with Eric that didn't happen food trucks ended up down at the farm market and so that point became moot but I still have an interest and maybe just a few thoughts to share if that would be okay I know that you're going to be talking about duration and frequency the eight hours I guess that seemed pretty reasonable to me when I saw that figure but the frequency part of that you know when you hear 12 times a year you think well that doesn't sound like munch at all but if it's once a week that can be three months of event going on and when you think about it that way it can be a little bit more considerable because if we're talking about a residential area I don't know if any of you would enjoy having you know down the street from you you know a food truck and concert night for three straight months every you know Wednesday night and so that's something I think the committee should take a look at when they're doing the amendments and I think the other comment is that food trucks are the new big craze they seem to be everywhere popping up and I think it's important in my mind that they be recognized as in my mind what they are a commercial business we talk a lot about food trucks on farm property and I suppose if Farmer Jones raises pumpkins and makes pumpkin cookies and sells them at his Farmer Jones pumpkin truck that might be considered agricultural but if unless Farmer Jones his name is single pebble or grazers I think that it's pretty clear that those are commercial businesses and that these are businesses that are you know benefiting from that portion of whatever the evening might be and so I think that that should be well thought out before we start allowing commercial business into residential areas for extended periods of time again I'm not talking about a one night in a neighborhood where they're having a block party and a bunch of food trucks in a band you know that just sounds like fun but when we talk about the series then that becomes a little more of an impact so I think really those are just the two thoughts or three thoughts that I wanted to share good thank you thank you no thank you if I may just add a comment is when we were wrestling with the noise ordinance in particular special events at the north country sportsmen's club I hope I got their name correct some of those same exact issues came up you know if it's week after week after week right I think anybody understands that someone in your neighborhood might have a party might get a little loud there might be things that happen parking might be compromised but yes if it's if it's three months of that even if it's only once a week it gets yeah there the issue became is when do I get a weekend that I can enjoy the whole weekend well yes I mean in my case I moved into an area and I know you're trying to make things simplified but zoning is there for many reasons and you know in town growth management and all those those things it's also a bit there for protection I think for the residents if you buy a home and invest your money in a property it's residential and agricultural you have a little bit of assurance that food store or business isn't going to pop up next to your house you know that that that that that will be how it is but food trucks what are those you know they're a business in my mind so okay thank you thank you so I think we were good for tonight on this so this will come back to us again and then we'll have public hearings on it as well so we'll have lots of input before we actually have an ordinance in place so thank you Melinda and we'll move on then to our next item and that's the opioid distributor lawsuit settlement and it just like this is information Eric will give us the update on where we're at with this and where we need to go if we wish to do something with it yeah I just wanted to check in with the board this evening we had the presentation from assistant attorney general diamond back in September about this proposed settlement for the town to consider joining what I've done is I've I need to submit some paperwork to receive the paperwork if the board wants to move forward and joining the settlement there is a deadline of I believe January 2nd for the town to join in this and I just wanted to touch face the board this evening if there's any additional questions or information on this certainly have this back as an action item here before the end of the year following that September meeting I didn't hear any additional questions or feedback from community members on on this some matter just looking to see if the board needs any additional information for me before we may bring this back for considering action here moving ahead not to make Eric I don't have anything else I think though I do think it's imperative that we move forward sooner rather than later just because there is a requirement on the minimum the town number of towns that are required to participate so I would prefer that you know if we are moving forward that we do it sooner so that you know for the benefit of all the towns involved I agree sooner the better and then it'll get off that off our agenda as well I'll see if I can get clarified for what we actually need to submit here and we can get this back to the next meeting for action if you considered all right and moving on then to the budget 23 fiscal year 23 budget review schedule only Eric you have a proposal for us that we have seen yep it is the season I guess coming up for for the budget and what I've done is take what we've traditionally how we've traditionally structured this in the town this to be your your first process Greta so feel free to ask any questions you have here so it's typically starts with transmittal it's the budget binders that I would have ready the way the calendar lines up this year the Friday before the first board meeting in December would be the third I believe so I'd have those available for pick up that evening with a transmittal memo with a draft budget to begin work on and then we would have a provider preliminary overview that first board meeting of the draft budget and then we would jump in and dig into the budget with each department we'd have the extra meeting on the 14th starting earlier at six o'clock to go through a majority of department budgets then that would continue on the 21st after some time from regular agenda and then into the new year we'd have the public hearing schedule on the budget and budget deliberations would begin that evening by the board could hold another special meeting on the 11th of January for further deliberations and then looking to potentially wrap up the town meeting warning and the budget the 18th and I can double check but I believe the following week would still fall within the the town meeting warning window of 40 to 50 days before town meeting if there's any final work to wrap up but you might note the meeting on the 14th we've personally started that at six o'clock and the meeting on the 21st I bumped the start time up a little bit for some regular business at six thirty but just wanted to check in with the board on on the schedule the timing this is how the board wants to proceed this this budget season this is similar to what we did last year we started a little bit early and we are not going to be talking about the the funds for sewer water and storm water yeah that's correct we've we would hold those until the spring since those are approved by the board and they kick in for the new fiscal year found one a couple of things to take off the board's plate with looking at the general fund and the and the capital fund and in the intention we would continue our our meeting structure as we have been using the hybrid with zoom and in person participation here my only comment and the the schedule is fine the December 14th meeting is going to be a long meeting I find them I don't know what the right word is it's just we are processing so much information in that meeting it's it's a tiring meeting so I'm bringing energy drink Snickers bar that type of thing to be able to make it through that you know because I mean our budget is is a huge big budget and there is an awful lot we need to you know kind of dissect Snickers bar I'm writing it down that said at the leftover Halloween can't might not be enough but most of the ones that are on that agenda for the 14th are relatively easy except for the police perhaps building in grounds but the rest of it it's only a two and a quarter hour meeting which is a little bit less than sometimes we have right now it is and I'm not disagreeing please but I think it's it's the type of information we're looking at it's this detail trying to keep up it's dense yeah yeah you know trying to make sure I interpret it correctly and and it it takes a lot of prep before that meeting so I'm just pointing that out to leave like this for good to go okay now proceed and certainly we always want public engagement during this part of the process and we try to think of creative ways to get the word out so I'll I'll start my my thinking cap for this this year nothing no there's going to be Snickers so I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I need to buy more candy so thank thank you well we'll get moving on that here coming up moving on to managers report so I I wrap up the quarterly report today and I I left hard copies for I will choose your mailbox Jeff I'm going to be here for for members that usually get hard copies and I put on the website and drop box as well our audit kicked off have been doing some pretty work with surely some work with the auditors on this they were did their site work here last week so that's that's moving right along which is good we've hired a new member of our highway department Brandon Snicker started I believe I hope he starts this week don't check with Bruce on that but that was some action right after the board revised part of our our compensation structure we're able to get a good applicant I know we're still looking to fill some other two positions I gotta check with Bruce and see if we have some other candidates at this point we've had a resignation of officer Sarah Bell our police department she'll be wrapping up this month she's uh she's done a great job for us the last two years we've also hired a new police officer Sabrina who and who comes to us to us from Shelburne most recently and she'll be getting started this week we'll be swearing her in or actually next Monday I think she'll be getting started it's a reminder the fire department's having a dedication ceremony for two new apparatus this coming Saturday at nine o'clock outside the station just wanted to check in if the any board members are planning to attend if you could let me or the chief know they're looking to get a head count for some refreshments so you can let us know the next day or so I unfortunately will be out of town so I will not be able to attend I'm hoping to attend that one I've had an email invitation and I haven't sent that back yet I will be out of town as well so I'm I don't know yet okay the mill and of course I'll be out of town that weekend as well with the prior but I will let you know our okay and we're we're working with a couple of facilities issues working through these we're having a bathroom issue in the library and unfortunately for the last month and it's come to the point where we need to get underneath the floor to see what's going on and it involves cement area of the floor and where the lift is and moving the lift and checking the cement thanks to Bruce for working to get a contractor that could actually find some time to do this so I think they'll be starting next week with maybe a slight closure of the library and the really noisy day I'm told with hammering the floor so we'll get that fixed here and then we've also had some HVAC issues or at the police station we I'm hearing today we may need to do some duct cleaning it's hasn't been done in the 15 years that the station's been constructed and that may be a little pricey endeavor so it won't be something we'll be we need to do it's an expense we're necessarily planning on but something we'll have to look at here in the short term and some additional work on on their HVAC systems the price not as expensive thankfully but some ongoing work with the department just on building management and planning these improvements or routine maintenance and I think we've got really good facilities in town and it's hard to believe they're almost 15 years old now of the police station and fire station so I want to make sure they they last well into the future so to do that work I might recall the airport noise monitoring system we put in place or the board approved easement for I know they're working on that with V-trans for access with the airports and they plan to get that installed before they ended the year they launched the website and it's it's pretty neat I went on it Winooski's and South Brointons are active now and you can see planes in real time on the map overlaid and what their noise level is from the monitor so Wilson's is planned to be added to that that website once we're up and running here by the end of the year I do know some aircraft especially military aircraft can't always show up on that radar for for security purposes but I drew the the news releases in your in your agenda packet on on that piece and and I checked in with Bruce today and a lamp light project is still going very well it's just about complete I think the last three service lines to residents are going to get connected in the next couple of days then there'll be a a tie over on the line on on the North Brunnell Road and then there'll be some work for a tie in on U-Haul facility and there might just be a little lane traffic at some point there but I was moving along well I got some good pictures of muddy culvert today as well I'll share with the board we I can now see a road forming on top of it and the head walls put in so moving right along I know we're have a target date for sometime in November to hopefully have some traffic return there and I know a lot of the button things up in the spring from what it sounds like but to two major projects the town's undertaken this construction season and thanks to our contractors and Bruce and his staff for keeping everything moving and not going on in that area town especially so and then I I added to my manager's report and looking for feedback as we go here but I tried to kind of highlight our agenda items of note we have planned from the future at issues the next couple of months anyway and looking to highlight some agenda items for some town boards and commissions that are coming up us with some some DRB and planning commissions really working on form base code and just some general updates from the department so I can kind of continue this some in my manager's report and refine it a little more get feedback from the board as as we go here to for my information updates for you every couple of weeks I like it it's a quick read and and I just feel a little more connected you know by having this information okay or maybe a lot more connected might be a better way to say it yeah I really liked it as well and we're just it felt like a little just a little touchstone into each department and kind of you know to understand what's you know where priorities are and what what their their action items and things are so that was great thank you okay well sounds good well uh we'll keep uh I'll keep this included here as we go and any additional thoughts or feedback we'll keep working on it and yeah it updated so let's all I have this evening care and any other business to take up tonight do I once go twice that's not we are adjourned