 We are now joined by the practitioner and women's rights activist Bukala or Shidibu. Thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me. All right. Really sad situation in Afghanistan, but let's try to understand what might be the plight of women and girls in Afghanistan at the moment. Given any conflict situation anywhere, women and girls and children, so to say, are always at the receiving end because, you see, any conflict situation increases the vulnerability of women. Take, for example, where a situation whereby there's need to escape a particular situation. I don't foresee any woman wanting to leave her children, even if it's one child behind in any situation. That's an additional burden for women in conflict situations. Also, any conflict situation has an impact on the health of a woman. So take, for example, a pregnant woman in this kind of situation. Yes, as much as we understand that somehow the cultural or religious practices forbids or prevents women from accessing maternal services for those that want to access the maternal services. Conflict situation has impeded that access. And so it also, like I said, increases the vulnerability of that woman. Also, it has an effect on the economic well-being. So a woman that runs a business is in conflict situation, definitely cannot access such business and then she cannot trade and she cannot make purchases. She cannot transact business, so to say. And so that's another effect. For girls, specifically, it affects their education. Again, it takes me back to the discussion of cultural and religious inhibitions in a country that is gradually tilted towards westernization and then suddenly pulls back to what it used to do before. Let's quickly then share if there is a possibility that some of these rights of women and children can be protected under the rule of the Taliban. You see, the point is, in a safe society, it takes effort, it takes advocacy, it takes a lot of things to even advocate for the enforcement of human rights of an individual, let alone the right of women that is still being at the forefront advocating for the rights of women. So in a conflict situation with respect to the Taliban takeover now, it is very, very bleak, so to say, or near impossible to say that the protection of the rights of women is guaranteed. It's definitely going to have an impact, I beg your pardon, it's going to have an impact on the rights of women because it's going to more like impact on the gains that have been made in the previous years. So getting the possibility of the rights of women being enforced under this situation is very, very close to impossible. Is there expectations that you would have from other world powers with regards to protecting the main victims of this crisis, and that is women and children, would you want any influence on the Middle Eastern countries, or maybe from the U.S.? Well, the withdrawal of the U.S. in itself has made open, has made porous other interventions from other potential countries that might want to offer help. Anyone that wants to offer help at this moment will have to understand the situation before they can push whatever help that might be in the offing. And in the immediate, I'm not sure any country or any power want to jump into that terrain in the immediate, not even any time soon, because definitely you would want to understand why would the U.S. want to pull out, what are the implications, economic implications, political implications, security-wise and all of that. All of this have to be looked at before making the decision of offering whatever help by anyone. Thank you very much for joining us and wish you a great day ahead. Thank you for having me.