 So to raise any other issues they may have. So let me introduce the distinguished panel. I think it's fair to start with the Dr. Kim because we all know him, he is from Korea and he's going to be taking the floor to discuss the issue of the IDI and basically to focus on how his country has progressively been doing so well. Then we have got on the right hand side the representative from the government of Egypt and you know Nagwa, she participates quite a lot in our meetings on statistics and indicators. She's going to look at the policy dimension and discuss how Egypt is put in place and enabling environment and what the policies are which are meant to drive Egypt down the IDI ladder. Then just next to me we have got Mr. Mahomet Altaan with the chairman of the board of commissioners and CEO Telecommunications Regulator Authority of Jordan He's a regulator so he's going to talk about the rule of regulation and I understand one of the key pillars meant to drive Jordan in the post-2015 development agenda is going to be I-Cities and they are putting a lot of emphasis on the IDI is going to share with you how the intent to work towards becoming number one. Then right at the end you have the representative of the government of Denmark and as you will know they are leading the ladder this year on the IDI and we are going to be asking him how they did that. So our meeting is a very peaceful meeting normally number one and number two don't sit next to each other but we are going to listen to Consul Ms. S. Ben Emburg who is the head of Mission Danish Consulate in Tbilisi he's representing the minister of Denmark and he's going to share with us what Denmark has done to attain the number one slot and to make sure that I-Cities become ubiquitous in this country and I understand he's involved in I-Cities projects and so forth in Georgia. Having said that next to me and initially you saw the deputy minister was supposed to be here with us and he sends his regret but he's well represented here by the chairman who is responsible for innovation and innovation is quite key to I-City growth. So he's our chairman you already know him Mr. Raki Kajbaze chairman of the innovation and technology agency of Georgia so I have raised the questions and the issues that you are going to hear I would like to begin with the representative of Denmark if you could share his perspectives it's going to be three minutes three minutes then we will open the floor for you to intervene please the floor is yours. Thank you Mr. Chairman first of all thank you for allowing me to address you and answering your question like that is obviously not easy the first thing you were thinking about is that we've been doing this for quite some time Denmark has been an I-City innovator for quite some time if you look in front of you I think all your little devices are also Danish the ones we're speaking into so we've been at it for a long time but the fact that Denmark has a very very large public sector and in order to increase efficiency in that public sector has forced them to develop e-governance and e-governance has then had a spillover effect into business as well a lot of it has to do with the fact that we wanted to ensure that every citizen in any corner of the country could actually access public services and so that's from getting a health card or filing your tax return or anything like this it can be done online now and then standardizing that data information made it possible also for the private sector to access the same type of systems so as a business and as a citizen you have a standardized system that has made it possible for many people to access this and obviously the fact that there's a large political consensus in the country to go in this direction has been enabled us to move faster and then like I said we've been at this a long time so the skill sets among the broad population is very very high and I think I can't remember what the number is something like 95 or 96% is connected to the internet on a daily basis so that's a very high number obviously ok thank you very much let me have a follow up question on that do you think the size of Denmark has anything to do with the high penetration of ICTs or your attaining of number one yeah I guess it has maybe it's easier in a smaller country to roll out a system like that but I think also sometimes this is a bit of an easy argument because I think you have to probably look at the GDP per capita and the diversification in the small and medium enterprises need drives the development in many instances and since the companies are very diverse and very focused on exports I think probably most of our companies have more than 50% of their turnover done outside the country so that's also pushing it so it's not just size I think very good so you will find in the report that there is no correlation between size and the idea at all geographical size so I think what you say is just in line with that I would like to move on to Korea we were in Busan and we are most grateful that you hosted the plan potential conference there were thousands of people and the internet was excellent the speed was very high for the three consecutive years you were number one on the IDI can you share your secret with us thank you to Dr. Saba Saba it is a great honor for me as a panelist let me explain the Korean ICT and national strategy regarding the ICT ICT industry always has been main factor that drive Korean economy Korea had gone through a period of modernization in 1970s and 1980s definitely at that time we didn't have money and then therefore by adopting the theory of unequilibrium growth instead of equilibrium growth we concentrate on construction manufacturing cars, ships and electronics and then we give up the other things we just concentrate on car electronics, ship after that later on is semiconductors also Korea has been through top period such as INF crisis in 1997 and global financial crisis in the year of 2008 in this regard the ICT industries were demonstrate to be a key factor not only for recovering from the wringer but also for the surplus imbalance of trade in Korea nowadays ICT industries share of Korea's GDP was 8.9% and the contribution to the Korea's economic growth was 15.9% in 2013 and despite the Korea's deficit in other industries trade the ICT industry which is trade surplus of $88.6 billion in 2013 without ICT industry we estimate a trade deficit of around $44 billion that's why we concentrate on ICT ICT is the most important industry in Korea as you probably know that Korea especially South Korea we do not have any natural resources including oils we just only have human capital and then ICT policy therefore has a great meaning to Korean economy development policy the Ministry of Science, ICT and future planning MSIP implement objective and definite policies citing statistics and KAIT my organization one of my team produce ICT statistics every month and every year for example we surveyed 5,300 ICT enterprise every month and then we surveyed all enumeration of our ICT enterprise every year the employee number input newcomers exit numbers everything and then report to Ministry MSIP sometimes report to direct to blue house that's one of my job and then according to Mackange research the internet created 2.6 jobs to each rose to technology related efficiency and then Korea plans to build a nationwide giga internet network by 2017 as my lady, madam president proposed at Busan to the hyper connected society and we also are focusing on technological development and infrastructure upgrade with the aim of being the first country to launch commercial 5G mobile communication services in 2020 2 years later in 2018 the winter Olympic will be held pyeongchang in Gangwon province is located 100 km from Seoul during the winter Olympic seasons we will show 5G technology and infrastructures we are ready to show the 5G in 2018 during the winter session this is my man but it's not connected subject it's my subject opinion as Suzan mentioned in Busan the member state approved connect 2020 regarding the connect 2020 Korea will lead to join and collaborate with ITU or any other member state because it is time for Korea which grew up one of the most developed countries in ICT sectors with assistance by the global society in the past it's time to repay and lead on to other member state thank you thank you very much Dr. Kim Excellency the president of Korea during plan import or the ITU plan potential conference noted that Korea took the route of making sure that they developed the intellectual capability of the country so under the IDI we have two sub indices access, skill sets and use and I think those of you we have done development studies you know that 5% of the population can feed and run the economy if you take the industrialization route as compared to other we have got representatives of developing countries that probably their economies depend mostly on agriculture and I would like to pick their brains on that but I should also acknowledge of course the fact that we hardly passed 3 months without signing an agreement on projects that are financed by the government of Korea and ITUD the development sector and ITU in general we are very grateful they are financed projects ranging from migration from analog to digital and capacity building developing countries in Asia in the Caribbean recently and in Africa that we are very much grateful let me move on to Egypt and ask Dr. Ilshanao with the undersecretary in the ministry we know there have been many developments in Egypt and we would like to hear from you what the government is doing and we looked at the idea Egypt is doing well what exactly have you put in place and what are your plans for the future thank you very much Dr. Zava Zava actually let me when through the different strategies that Egypt executed during the last 10 years starting from the year 2000 to 2010 Egypt succeeded to build the infrastructure for the ICT through the first strategy and set the main regulatory and legislation framework then it went through the information society and build several initiatives which help us to develop ICT in different sector and then it ended by improving and developing the ICT industry to be among the major player worldwide in ICT export of services and then we had the revolution in 2011 and the slowdown that we had a little bit in our economy the ICT was one of the major sector that absorbed this slowdown but it also been affected by having decreasing its gross rate which before 2011 reached around 18% gross rate and then it went down to around 6% during the last year but gratefully we again achieved by the end of June 2014 we reached again 10% gross and contribution to the GDP with 3.8% and then after the starting of the road map the political road map and after reshaping the position of Egypt among the region again and the stability that we lived in now Egypt set an aggressive strategy for the next three years the first part of this strategy will focus on the infrastructure and by setting an action plan for the broadband to go from 14% penetration to around 50% in the next two years and to reach it by year 2020 100% and we will focus on the education on the school, on the hospital and culture center and by introducing the unified license by the end of this year which will help us to improve and increase the competitiveness of services as well as the quality of services in the benefit of our consumer concerning the usage of ICT we did a quite good percentage of usage of ICT from the household and individual in our country as well as we succeeded to measure the digital divide among the different governance rates in our country to see where we stand in every governance rate from using ICT services and accessing the ICT services to increase this in the next three years there is also a plan for digital economy through implementing mega projects like the notarization the real estate smart meters set box, national health insurance and e-coach all of these are major products will be implemented during the next three to four years in our country in addition to this the production of electronics the tablets for our schools so we believe that this will increase the usage of ICT in the different socio-economic sector and will affect the whole economy for the third pillar which is ICT skills building the capacity we succeeded in the last few years to build the capacity to deliver ICT professional to the community in different sector we will continue on this program we succeeded to introduce the ICT curriculum in all our universities in Egypt we will continue on this as well and we will focus on the innovation and entrepreneurship during the coming years on the startups as well as on the technology park which will help create more jobs for our youth so this is our plans for the future and we really believe because of the support of the policy maker from the presidency level that we can achieve this plan and this really will be reflected in the next IDI reports during the coming years in all its pillar in terms of access in terms of usage in terms of skills as well we will see it together in the next future and we wish for Egypt the success in this and the help of all the organization thank you thank you very much so now let me turn on to our hosts who is also the chairman of this meeting in the absence of the deputy minister he is not chairman by accident by the way he is the real title he is chairman of innovation he keeps his title you may not know this country is a tradition of making good wine and they have got 500 varieties of grapes a secret I will share with you they are only going to studies to see whether the first wine was made in Georgia or elsewhere so I said to his excellence at the minister maybe we should develop an index which is called the wine evolution index double so we know that Georgia Georgia is doing very well and if you look at the figure it's one of the most dynamic countries we know also that they are making efforts to connect post offices to go to all the villages to go to schools and so forth but the chairman will share with us what exactly they are doing and how they are working towards becoming number one I guess thank you I would like to share to you our secret how we are moving so fast and according to the idea we become one of the most dynamic country in this case in past few years Georgia has proceed numerous reforms which has reflect in our progress according to the world bank report for starting and doing business you know that was in 2013 at number nine the world bank change methodology we become number 13 but in any case reforms made before provided great opportunity for businesses local businesses and international businesses to open and start their own business in Georgia in a minutes you can register company you can get all necessary documents in our house of justice which is a one stop shop and you can get in 15 minutes in 20 minutes all necessary documents it's very simple also to get the passport to get other documents that all taxes are paying online and also many e-government services provided for the Georgian citizens simplified procedures and becoming more faster the process of for the businesses and for all the citizens in the country also that there was made very interesting projects for the schools all first class school kids are getting free of charge the netbooks and they are becoming like it's becoming the first computer also for the families because it's this netbook has all possibilities to be this concrete computer and to provide internet access to provide other access to the software and I think in the last two years that's why we become so dynamic country the government decided to prioritize the ICT and ICT becoming one of the top priorities of the country and the priority is also to become the top country in indexes like his ideas and also global innovation indexes and to build a knowledge and innovation based economy and of course it's increasing the export of intellectual products innovation and technologies I think not only the development of information technologies infrastructure and skills it's important for our country but also Georgia have to become producer of innovation producer of new technologies that's why that's during this year and next year we are going to start the process of establishing based on libraries community innovation centers will be established 500 community innovation centers will be established based on libraries will be connected to the high speed fiber optic infrastructure and these centers will not only provide access to computer and teach computer skills and internet skills but also provide access to the innovative technologies and infrastructure also I would like to mention that infrastructure will be which will be created and the government is working on this project to support the creation of such kind of infrastructure will be based on open access and it will rise the competition on the market it will rise development of services based on open access it will create opportunity to the service providers to be concentrated on the last mile one thing I would like to mention it's also that Georgian government is continue that's pay attention attention on market liberalization on competition on the market and that's why in regulatory case they made a number of reforms and this process of reforms under process this week we are going to regulatory commission commission is going to provide LTA licenses for 4G networks and I think that in nearest future we also will have 4G network in our country according the skills and the capacity building our goals is to achieve 40,000 IT specialists until 20 I think it's ambitious goals but it's achievable if we are looking to the our neighbors for example Ukraine and Belorussia is very good in this case I saw that in idea that Belorussia is number 4 in skills development and I think it's one of the crucial thing if the country needs fast development and FDI and also the think of GDP I think it's shortly about it's our progress about our achievements and again I would like to mention that we will do our best to next year and next years to become one of the leading country in idea thank you thank you very much for your intervention when the government of Georgia announced that they were bringing the prime minister and the deputy prime minister Jordan didn't want to be how to done so they brought his excellence in the minister and the chairman of the board so we know the relationship between policy and regulation is immense if you are going to drive towards a global knowledge and information society so I am pleased to have the chairman of the board who is here present is going to address opportunities and challenges and from the Jordanian perspective they have a strategy and that strategy says one of the key pillars to driving the economy in the 2015 agenda is going to be information communication technologies so the flow is yours thank you Mr. Chair when it comes to the natural resources Jordan is not really much different from Korea our human capital is our main asset and we do believe in maintaining the best lively dynamic relationships with the international community and its activities and that's why we are sitting in this event because we do believe in evidence based policy making we seek all sources of information and evidence to help us build our policies and we do believe that the IDI is one of these main resources and we continuously analyze the IDI with the different objectives we check on how far are we progressing or otherwise we do compare our progress to similar size economies and we do compare our progress to the rest of the world and the outcome of this is an input to our policy making and strategy setup our current version is the third policy version for the sector and it has been built on various pillars one of these pillars was the outcome and the gap analysis of the IDI and the focus of the current policy version is on promoting IT and promoting investment while producing the policy on a demand supply manner. The outcomes the ICT sector contribution to the Jordanian economy is ranging between 12 to 14 percent the country enjoys a very good level of ICT infrastructure especially the wireless part by the end of this year and beginning of next year we will be launching our 4G network penetration has been very well the mobile penetration is around 142 percent the internet usage is about 73 percent as we speak and we do believe that we have to continuously monitor our policy and strategy and adjust it in a shorter time intervals than what we used to do please let me just divert a little bit to a subject which was brought up by the gentleman from Intel during the first day when he spoke about the lack of investment and its consequences on the uptake of computer sales and bandwidth and probably the first thing that may come to mind is well we do not need regulation I think we do need smart regulation rather than not needing regulation and we really need to consider the decorrelation between regulating service based activities from infrastructure based activities and the amount of associated incentives that can be plugged into the infrastructure based regulation with the fact that having these incentives needs to result in an open shared access that is fully regulated for the benefit of all service providers thank you very much for that intervention it reminds me about 8 years ago we were running a workshop for engineers from Somalia and we were looking at the figures the general performance there was no government for about 13 years but the figures when you compared where there was a government in Somalia the figures were growing the growth rate was way higher so there was no regulation in place so I don't know the question is what regulation and that is not for here it's for the global symposium on regulators how can we put in place the regulatory framework that drives competition and investment in the sector but it's not for today you have heard from our panelists we have got pretty much good time we almost split again 50-50 so it's your turn to take the microphone feel free to ask one of the panelists or to share your perspectives and if you wanted to be number one on the idea be brief three minutes try to do one minute okay please thank you my point is that based on international consensus is there any provision to create a global ICT fund just like that of a global climate fund to help the developing nations proceed towards the ICT thank you thank you very much I think this is a question that I will direct to Dr. Kim Mr is it Aston now I would like to find out from both your instances as to what extent the private sector was involved in driving the ICT of vision and strategy that both your countries have set for yourselves thank you I will take right here Intel I will come back to you a bit later please yes thank you chairman my point is regarding to the first point you mentioned chairman about the correlation between the size of the country and the IDI I find myself that not agree 100% for this point why is that because the big size of the country is for the government for the service providers to expand the services and for the service providers to expand their network and that needs a huge investment and huge money for that in the case of Saudi Arabia thanks for the government that they consider this issue and we created a ambitious fund we call it universal service fund the government ask the service providers to compete together in order to expand the services in some villages the size of Saudi Arabia it's almost 2 million kilometers and we have some villages scattered around the country this needs a lot and a huge investment to make sure the availability of services for the population so having said that these efforts and the difficulties need to be considered when we ranking government or ranking countries in the IDI thank you thank you very much Saudi Arabia so we have got three questions you may know there is what is called the convention of parties kupnegotations on climate change and they created a fund for clean energy and for is an incentive to those who have less greenhouse gas emissions and the question from Bangladesh is can we create such a fund to attract more investment in the sector and also probably to increase penetration levels in rural areas but you are also familiar with I'm sure but I will leave it to the panelists then the minister of Namibia raised the issue of the role of the private sector and you would like to hear some perspectives Saudi Arabia the relationship between IDI and the size of the country please the floor is open who wants to Denmark well I it's obvious that it would be possible to create a fund to support ICT development especially in developing countries I mean the impact of ICT development in countries that are less developed is enormous that's obvious for everyone so I think like we focus on change I think there will be quite a focus on ICT as well whether Denmark has plans to set something up I must admit I'm not 100% sure I know we're very very active on the COP project so and since we are at the top of the list on ICT I would not be surprised if there was some initiative in that direction to the question about this private sector I think I mean no doubt the private sector has been driving this to a large extent and the liberal rules around ICT implementation and competition between suppliers of either fixed line networks or wireless networks has been a major factor now in Denmark we've had 4G for quite some time and most of the operators are supplying 4G at this point but before that we had a large rollout of fiber optic network so in that sense yes and our companies our small medium sized companies have been connected to an ICT structure for many many years and that has really made them more competitive on the outside so I think that's quite obvious that I had a large a large effect on this having said that obviously it's a combination of both public sector and private sector the e-governance and I have to Georgia is in this I mean it's quite amazing actually I think they might even be further than Denmark in e-governance and so they're lacking on maybe some other points but that has pushed that development as well Excellent Thank you very much I will come back to you Jordan if you could Just going back to the same question I believe for emerging economies the role of the private sector is the main engine for their economic reform and without it I am not sure how far we will be able to get Thank you Alright so let me hear from Korea What do you think we heard from Denmark and the initiatives they have taken I would like you to try to combine the three or pick one of them and just share with us I think it's a question from Bangladesh We have some special program for assisting foreign countries especially Southeast Asia and African countries One of my job is we just call it partnership program to invite foreign countries, companies or public employees to invite and introduce and match the business meeting and then we have several programs in government side and then Namibia case in Korea definitely private sector prevail but the government the role of government is very restricted when they set the policy when they set the schemes the government budget input for example we are preparing the safety network in our country the government budget will put on the R&D and make a master plan after that the private sector telecommunication operators and Samsung or LG they will come to the market and operate and then the ratio between government and private sector is 10% versus 90% in Korea 10% by government budget 90% is market but in terms of science the government portion of government is 25% and private sector is 75% and the territory stop industry that's my answer thank you very much Korea I think Egypt you would like to say something then when you finish I would like to open the floor so that we have a second round and you will still have an opportunity to revisit some other question thank you Mr Chairman concerning the idea of ICT fund we succeeded to have an experience in our country by creating an ICT trust fund which help us a lot in developing ICT initiative and project in cooperation with different donors and in focusing on the women and youth in the different governorates help them to use ICT to build their capacity to be an entrepreneur in developing ICT in the different villages in the remote area and undeserved area so we succeeded and we continue to use this ICT trust fund concerning the private sector our policy since the ministry of communication information technology was established is to paving the way for the private sector and to have the policy of public private partnership investment in ICT sector 90% is coming from the private sector and 10% only from the government sometimes it is direct and sometimes it is indirect through incentive or preparing and providing the ICT professional to the private sector focusing on the small and medium enterprise as well for the size of country and IDI yes concerning this we still this is one of the challenge our country is big we are doing tremendously from year to year and this is one of the main challenge that we try through the different policies and plans to overcome and penetrate the ICT all over the country thank you very much Egypt I think the beauty of a meeting of this kind is that we doesn't only provide us with an opportunity to discuss about indicators and statistics but also to network studies that are imaging and different practices and I think it's good in the corridors or over lunch just to discuss and establish business partnerships I saw Intel was the last one to integrate their interest to speak so just briefly and then I will move to Japan and other countries please thank you Mr. Chairman since we were seated by Jordan I would like to clarify we are not we were talking about our findings surprising findings which we found in Europe that the rigid regulation hinders investment in the last mile and we totally agreed with Jordan that we need a smarter regulation so please don't think it is our position it is a finding and experience in which I wanted to share here thank you very much thank you very much I heard him say okay he was just checking whether he was in the room okay Japan please thank you Mr. Zawza for the floor for Japan idea is very important reliable indicator and it is a basis for policy making and every country including Japan has special interest in them and as you know ICT environment has rapidly changed and that trend should be reflected to IDI to improve its accuracy and reliability so we gather and discuss the way of IDI at EDT or EJH or WITIS meetings and Japan has contributed and will contribute to further improvement of IDI to reflect current ICT environment and so for example regarding example for regarding fixed mobile broadband internet broadband services offered through various measures such as DSL, CATV and fiber to the home and however current index doesn't reflect those diversities and that index treats all types of services together so we would like to propose to have a sub index for each broadband services by doing so we could have more accurate and reliable index and I have additional comments on international internet bandwidth actually this indicator is important but there seem to be room for improvement of reflecting the actual situation to the indicator so we would like to keep on this indicator at various places thank you very much Japan in fact we met with Japan about five months ago in Geneva and they made a very good proposal that during our forum discussions under the EGTI it would be good to have moderators and we are establishing that we discussed with the chair persons for EGTI and GHI and we are making sure that we will have people who will be moderating the discussions and please feel free all of you are entitled to join online my colleagues who are sitting over there the three of them they can help you and give you the link to where and how you can join the expert group on telecommunications indicators and also on households so just feel free you can participate you can submit your comments and when we have first to first meetings also you are cordially invited to come you are the ones who put in place the methodologies and also we establish the indicator so just feel free but thank you for raising those issues there is a floor right at the end and another one over there then I would like to give the panelist an opportunity to respond please so just a little information in which I express a lot of interest to you so looking at the report on the measure of information we can see that Tunisia has lost a few points for the second consecutive year it has been said that as you know in the presentation in English can you just check if there is somebody the one who is in the presentation in English can you hear me ok please you may continue just a little information that deserves to be communicated so I have noticed by looking at the report ok Tunisia has lost has been losing several points in this index Tunisia has gone through this revolutionary project and revolution has both negative and positive sides so how to proceed with this downsize and government has decided to establish certain steps to develop new strategy in a digital telecommunication to develop infrastructure that could be used in businesses as well as in administration in offshoring in order to provide more opportunity to attract investments so whatever was done by the government we the business sector was reacting very rapidly there were certain certain research conducted in this area and based on research the research is still going on in this area and by 2015 we will be able to make decision and at the next symposium we will have results outcomes of this three different research results thank you and so for the problem we had with the interpretation you may also know that you don't have to wait for just the symposium ITUD has got what we call STAD groups and we bring together experts to discuss ideas and case studies on particular topics so you can just go on the website and see and we have also in the other sector some study groups and we have a number of events that take place where you could learn from others and also share your experiences and other countries will benefit in the process there was the last intervention from here please good afternoon to everyone my name is Joakim from Mozambique I just wanted to find out the responsibility of IDIs if is the government responsibility or is for private sector to run it in the country and if it is the private sector what we are facing in developing country is that they are focused in the region where they can make profitable and in the rural area they can't go there if we do it by the government the government will say that it does not have enough funds to run ICT projects so what is the way forward for developing countries thank you very much for all the interventions you were brief and we thank you for that I'm going to give each of the panelists about a minute to try and respond to whatever they want let's begin with Egypt please thank you very much Doctor Zava Zava let me end by set few words for the ITU it's to thank the ITU, Doctor Zava Zava Susan and all the team for all the efforts done in the area measurement and in the IDI but we are looking for more effort in the future in order to improve the measurement to reflect the status and the real progress done by every country all of us agreed upon that the ICT affect the overall economy ICT is integrated in all the different economic and social sector help in improving the services and help in improving the quality of life of the citizen so this should be reflected on the economic context of every country and I think this can be reflected through measuring the value added of ICT to the whole economy of every country the contribution of ICT to the GDP of every country and I think this could be also one of the measurement that we are looking for from the ITU to be added in the future I know that there is tentative plan to reconsider the IDI and reconsider its variable again so we would like to see as one of the developmental variables economic variable in the future which I think it help all the country to see the real progress of the ICT on the overall economy thank you very much thank you very much Egypt yes thank you going back to the gentleman from Mozambique I think the IDI is the outcome of the collective policies that the government decides to take in the different domains so basically it does not have really to be focused on the ICT policy for instance you can go to the universal service fund to help you fund the reach to these remote areas where the government does not have you could adapt an incentive program for those who are willing to invest in the urban areas by giving them incentive not to charge them for the spectrum in the rural areas so that this will really incentivize them to go and do more investment when it comes to the government investment in the infrastructure yes this may be a way but each government has to define its own priorities for its investment upon the available budget for this investment thank you thank you very much Georgia please thank you of course that's the idea gives us opportunity to really measure that is our steps which done by government is it on the right way not what we have to improve what we have to do for the future efficiently and we see that different parameters and how it influence on indexes of a country but in any case we will be glad to work together with ITU and all other countries to maybe find new ways and new approaches to future to make and providing the to this index is more efficiently we had discussions with Dr. Zalazad in one case that sometimes improving of indexes of countries depends on how the country provides the data and how the data is poorly collected in the country that's why we work actively internally to improve this process and create measurement process internally more better thank you very much so Korea and Denmark you can share one minute right no no no I really appreciate ITU BDT Director Sanau, Dr. Saba Saba Sujan, SP, Vanessa Ivan five years ago my young colleague told me she had to go to EGTI Acti at that time what didn't mean Acti what's the role, what's the function of Acti but at the first time I think maybe less than 12 person attend but during the last five years is bigger and bigger and then last year Alexander as a chair is EGH is another expert group and then I think this really appreciate ITU BDT and then thank you for understanding ITU D very well the second one is business I think this year I invite 53 telecommunication operators CEO the level of CEO to our country because Papua New Guinea Rwanda, Tanzania Laos Vietnam Cambodia they want to jump they use 2G but they do not want to go to 3G they jump LTE Korea is one of the most developed countries in LTE and then if you need more information or more technology please let me know not just business just bridge between your country and my country thank you thank you very much Korea Denmark you said this is from Denmark we know the problems we have had if nothing to do with the unit not this unit please you're in avenger obviously here I represent Denmark but first and foremost I'm a businessman I run two private equity funds here in Georgia and we invested into ITC and it's a bit of a response to Mozambique as well I think one of the things that we've seen in the developing countries is that and I appreciate that comment from you that you kind of bridge the development you leapfrog into the advanced stage of ITC and I think that especially in developing countries there's quite a lot of quite a lot of money to be made in that development and it's quite an attractive investment as well and in terms of rural development what we often see is that in rural development where the competition is not so hard as it is in the cities where you have several providers there's actually quite a good business to be made so just saying that because it's far away from the capital means that there's no market is not entirely right and obviously that's going back to Saudi Arabia a very dense country is obviously easier to deliver that service in the rural areas unless you have very long stretches of land you have to cover then that's an issue so if I was an investor I would definitely look at ICT and I would definitely do it in the developing markets I think there's quite a lot of opportunity there and I believe in private money being much faster than public money also okay so this was for thanking all the panelists and of course the representative of Denmark I would like to thank you for your active participation during this particular session and we are getting close I would like to remind you that at 1.30 until 2 o'clock our colleagues from Brazil are going to run a side event and you are all invited to go there and we urge you to come back here we are going to have very interesting things this afternoon you are invited to be here on time I summarize I think what we have heard from our panelists represents the general views of the participants here that we have to continue to work tirelessly to make sure that the next WTIS is going to be a WTIS with a difference and the venue I don't know where it will be but I can tell you it's going to be a great venue one thing that I also want to mention is the fact that here you should take advantage and exchange business cards so that you can network the conversation does not end here you should continue to converse and to exchange ideas and we can learn from each other we are also learning as I always wanted to say is not a naming and shaming exercise or a beauty contest it is something that should help you to define exactly where you are going and to take remedial action to make sure that you move faster than you are moving and there are many lessons to be learned from those countries that are a little bit more advanced than you may be and you are more advanced than others are so that is the spirit that you should be having I would like to thank you and to aid you again to participate in the EGTI and GHI because if you participate and you submit the surveys and question years on time and they are done in a quality manner that is going to impact your idea so with this I would like to hand over to the chairman thank you Dr. Zawazawa it was very interesting discussions and very interesting panelists finally I would like to mention that one important advices and things that might help the countries is to rise cooperation between internal telecommunication companies then you have less resources like resources according to money the cooperation between companies creates huge opportunities for the developing of ICT in the countries thank you very much and we have now the lunch at 2 o'clock we will continue our session and we will have a presentation of a summary and conclusions and at 2.45 we have our ceremony and announcement of WTS 2015 thank you very much again and see you later