 Good evening everyone welcome my name is Angela, and I'd like to welcome you to this community input forum for the Jones library building project. We're so happy that you joined us. And without further ado I'd like to introduce the chair of the outreach subcommittee Alex Lefe. Take it away Alex. Thank you Angela. Okay, so I'd like to say thank you for those of you who are attending and welcoming you to tonight's community forum on the library project. Before we get started I just want to take a minute to make sure everyone is aware of sort of where we are in terms of the overall timeline and design of the project. So in any major building project there are typically five or six phases to the project and we're almost to the end of phase two. So the first phase in most projects is program development and the main goal during this phase is to figure out how much space you need now, how much you're likely need the future, how that space should be used organized and arranged. In the library that was the creation of the building program in 2016, which was the culmination of several years of work and extensive community outreach. And so the second phase which we're at the end of now is schematic design. And so, in this phase the design team takes the building program and then they translated into an efficient building design. So schematic design began in 2016 as part of the grant application to the Massachusetts Board of Library commissioners. And in October of 2020, the board of library trustees contracted the designers again to create an updated schematic design with the primary objective of incorporating its sustainability goals, but also to include some of the feedback received from the Massachusetts Board of Library commissioners library staff and the public since 2016. So fast forward at the end of 2021 Amherst gave its overwhelming approval to move forward with the library project. And at that point a new town committee was formed the Jones library building committee or we say JLBC. And that committee is a town committee it's made up of town employees, library employees, town counselor library trustees, as well as members of the public, and the charge of this committee is to oversee the design and construction of the library project. So, in the spring of this year, the town contracted owners project manager colliers and the town contracted a designer find gold Alexander to begin work on the project. So, three weeks ago on May 9, the designer began revising the schematic designs to incorporate comments received from library staff, the public, and the Massachusetts Board of Library commissioners. So, the design process is as Austin likes to say an iterative one. And we expect to see more than one set of schematic design, we've already seen multiple sets but we can, we expect to continue to see more sets, as they continue to be developed and finalize. And the outreach committee will continue to collect community feedback on the schematic design phase through July one so we have one month left of that. The Jones library building committee will work with the designer. They started in May through the end of July to finalize the schematic designs. And the quick side note, there will be a second community forum on June 8 from seven to 830. And the purpose of that forum is to give an overview of the public outreach that's been done to date, a review of comments gathered by the public to review and explain the outreach process and make sure people know the various ways they can engage with the project, but also to take suggestions if people have ideas about things we might do differently. So tonight, what we're doing is we're providing the first revised set of designs that were presented to the design subcommittee, just this last Friday on May 27. And I believe this is a somewhat unique format that we have tonight because the design subcommittee met with the designer on Friday, where they got to ask some questions provide initial feedback on the designs. These updated schematic designs have not yet been presented to the full Jones library building committee, and we're presenting these revised schematics to the public to gather feedback and collect questions that will then be forwarded to the Jones library building committee. So for this reason, there aren't a lot of us here we don't have a quorum but I want to remind panelists that this is a community forum to hear from the public. It's not a meeting of the Jones library building committee. So Sharon's going to go through the updated schematic designs floor by floor, and then we'll pause after each floor, and then provide an opportunity for us to gather any questions or feedback that will then send on to the Jones library building committee. So that's the plan. And it looks like we're up to four attendees, which is exciting. So, I think if it makes sense, since Sharon will present her screen and then Angela like you said will invite people into the room if they have questions and maybe make it feel a little more community oriented. So I'm going to mute myself and turn it over to Sharon. So that was an excellent overview of the process thus far Alex thank you so much. So what I'm going to do is like Alex said I'm going to go floor by floor, and I'm going to start on the ground level. And I will, I want to zoom out a little bit. I can't zoom out a little bit. So I'm going to scroll a little bit. Just to give you a quick here. Here's the birds I view. So on each floor, you will notice that there is a main staircase, and the main elevator that goes up and down through all the different levels. Those are the places that are colored this aqua color. Those are all you'll see them labeled as circulation, and that circulation in architect terms as opposed to library circulation it's the places where people are walking. So as I, that's my, that's my quick blurb. I want to let me zoom in. And I'm going to kind of going to do this section by section. I'm going to start with, I was calling this the after hours suite. Right here where it says rear entry. That is where people would be coming in on the garden level so in theory they would be parking, ideally in the, the CDS lot, and walk in this way and they would come into the best of you. After hours suite as I'm calling it is is being designed so it can be locked off during non library hours and so that patrons can use the large meeting room, the rest rooms, the Burnett Art Gallery, and this small meeting room which is the Amherst room at night. And so what happens is the staff would close the door and lock it here. So people would not be able to go up the stairs, and it would be locked here. So it gives it gives people the opportunity to go in whichever room that they're going to be needing, as well as the bathrooms. Regarding the bathrooms. For those of you who have watched some of our design committee meetings and we'll be talking about it during the next building committee meeting. Our goal is to have gender neutral bathrooms throughout the building. And so that, that especially includes these here this is, this is the only set of bathrooms that are that have more than one stall in it. You'll notice as we go throughout the other, the other floors that those are just single room bathrooms. So I'm going to show you up here now to the yellow I'm going to show you special collections. So the architects were able to put all of special collections right in a straight line it's all this, this yellow, it's primarily in the night located in the 1928 portion of the building. So you have the reading room here this is where the people are going to be the patrons. So there's going to be a lot of natural light going on in here it's going to be a really pretty space. The head of special collections will be here is going to be a coat room locker room so that people can put away their, you know they're bought belongings backpacks and things for security purposes. Over here is the special collections exhibit room. And then across the hall we have this is the staff only section, this is the staff workroom, and then all of the special collections storage so all these storage spaces are the climate controlled. Primarily, it'll be compact shelling that's the work that I want. So that's special collections over here in this pink color is technical services so technical services they're the ones who are responsible for stickering and cataloging, putting covers on books that kind of a thing. Okay, so they're located here beautifully because they are right next to the service entrance. This is where our ups and FedEx deliveries will come in. It's, we, this library staff call it the barn doors so that's that's this existing entry right here. And then in the front of the building in the brown are the mechanical, the blue is the mechanicals and the brown is the maintenance and the storage. And this is a storage for the friends right now our friends store their items on on the top floor of the library in in this in the set of schematics they are on the ground floor. So that way they can store their book sale books and then when it's time for a book sale, they just move it right into the Woodbury room and that's what they can have their book sales. So I'm going to zoom back out and then I'm going to let Alex take over and answer questions or collect questions but thank you. So let's you want to stop sharing your screen. Absolutely. I'm not used until we see. So, um, I see a hand raised. Do we want to. Since we have a relatively small. Yeah, okay, there you go. So, Adele welcome you yourself we'd love to hear your question. Um, I'm Adele Gladstone Gilbert. I'm on the Burnett gallery committee. And I do have a masters in interior architectural design from way back when it's a little rusty but I have been asked by the committee to be sort of a liaison between the Burnett committee and this whole process. So, I'm looking at where the Burnett is in the schematics, and I personally, I'm still feeling like it's tucked away to some extent that people coming to the library are not going to pass it. See it. You know, it's not going to be inviting people in, unless people have the intent of going to the gallery exhibit, you know, something in the gallery. The thing that hasn't been addressed is storage and the, the gallery needs storage for the tools that people use when artists come in and they put up their exhibits, they have to have access to a space with a ladder. They have hanging equipment tools to use. Other than that, there's, there we have now, I think it's seven pedestals of varying sizes, and there are the three movable display walls. I honestly don't know whether those belong to the library or belong to the Burnett. I mean, which is all part of the library but technically speaking, I'm not sure, because they get used also, you know, in the past in the, on the first floor in exhibits. So, those are my concerns. You know, if that's the location of the lot of the, the gallery, I mean, even coming in from that ground floor. You know, you've got to come in and go down a hallway and turn to another hallway. It doesn't seem real inviting. It's better than where it is now, but not ideal, I would say. And I don't know if there was discussion about incorporating the gallery with a reading room or anything like that. I'm not sure how the gallery committee feels about that, but it's something I've seen in other libraries. And the work is certainly more vision, you know, more seen by a lot more people. So, I think that's about what I've got. Adele, thank you. That's incredibly helpful, especially as I was saying that, you know, the Jones library building committee is made up of many people who have not been part of this project since the beginning. And so these are precisely the type of comments that we want to be gathering from people so I, all of those will be included in what's being relayed to the design and Jones library building committee so thank you very much. I think that the gallery will also need good lighting, you know, gallery lighting, right, for it to function well. I wonder too whether there could be something a window in a wall so that people if it is going to be along a hallway, if it could be seen from outside that space somehow and I, I'm not sure how exactly that would be designed but it was a thought. And Alex, I'd love to be able to respond to if that if that's okay. Maybe I shouldn't but I think as long as we're not deliberating. No, no, no, no, I just wanted to say to Adele so thank you so much Adele please keep coming to these meetings because your input is so important. With the publication of the Burnett we have added to the list already the possibility of flipping it with where the coat closet and the restrooms are. And the benefit of that would be it would be the first thing that people see when they enter on the ground floor. So we're checking into that regarding storage we absolutely know that and one of the things that I should have said before I gave the tour was, you're going to see a lot of this is just like the first draft, and you're going to see a lot of chairs and things that are not really necessarily thoughtfully placed it's still so early. So that includes your storage closet that we absolutely need for the pedestals and those, those bulletin boards. And regarding the window, you know, the, the only because it's on the ground floor, it's all undergrade. So you yeah, where I mean even a window to the hallway. So that people going by could look into the gallery. Yeah, we would want to work with the art gallery to find out the best way the happy medium between how much natural light and how much wall space. And because I would think that entire wall should be made of glass so that people could see it when they were coming in. Ah, thank you. Thank you. That's a thought. Thank you. Great. Thank you Adele and sure. Looks like Chris somebody who's marked as Chris crane. You're in the room now and we'd love to hear from you. My comment is similar to Adele's and it's about special collections. I'm just wondering now that we've, you know, got special collections on the bottom floor. We've had it hidden away upstairs. I mean it's a marvelous collection. How do we make this more available to people how do they get directed to special collections how do they know it's even down there. I mean, what are we doing to really, you know, draw people into the fact that with these wonderful exhibits and all of this wonderful material I'm concerned that it's being tucked away again. I know it's been down there it has wonderful amount of space but you know how do we really make it pop really get people into that that space. That's my question. Thank you. That's an excellent question. Thank you. If anybody else have a question and we can obviously if something pops up later we can revisit any floor, but if there's no more questions for this floor then we can go back to Sharon sharing her screen and go to the next floor. Okay, here's the first floor and I think I'm zoomed out as much as I can be zoomed out. And so again here's the main staircase and the main elevator that will take you to all the floors. What you'll also see here is the, and is it an existing staircase and the existing small elevator. One of the things that the building committee will be discussing on Tuesday is whether or not we will be able to have that second small front elevator removed. And when I show you to the top floor I'll explain why but for now it's there. And this is where the historic main staircase is. So as you walk in from Amity Street on your right is where you would return the materials. So during when the libraries closed, there's going to be an exterior and external drop where you would drop it basically through the window that's there. On the side in the vestibule there'll be a drop into the machine that will return the items, and all of this pink spaces, the circulation workroom, the staff behind the scenes stuff, the existing side entrance the handicap to entrance that we have here, that's the main that will be for our interlibrary loan optima deliveries. So they will come in this way and you know we get between 2025 bins a day and and they will get returned here so that all the materials can be put through the machine. So let's say you come in and that you want to go to the children's room I want to walk you through the children's room a little bit it is the children's room is in all of this yellow on the left hand side of the building. So part of it is in the old the 1928 portion and a part of it is in the new edition. So here in this front room you'll have that can make that bigger. You'll have the head of Youth Services so Mia Cabana that that will be her office here. There will be nonfiction the nonfiction collection here there will be some computers in this room. Right now, this is the picture book room that's where the train set would be in the dollhouse. As you move over here this is right now the greats five and up room. There will be fiction as well as nonfiction here. And then so it's important to understand that we will be able to separate all the different collections by age groups so there's going to be a section for board books and you know, the little ones and then, as you move up to the picture books and then to the easy readers and then you will look to the chapter book so so that's how the layout will be. And there will be a circulation desk in the children's room and it's a combined circulation desk as well as work room for the staff so that they can, you know do their off desk work, cut out the butterflies and you know the snowflakes that kind of stuff. There's a family restroom here. And in the back, it will be the children's activities room so this will be dedicated to children's programming, whether it's story time or who knows what it will be skies the limit. So again you don't see the furniture placed, but that's what will be going on there and there, there are doors that can be shut. That's the children's room. So let me go over here to the orange space that's the teen room. The teen room is located in what is now the stacks, the fiction stacks large print is there right now. So the young adult librarian her office is here. And as you walk in there's as much glass as possible so we can all see what's going on. So over here there's probably a large screen TV for gaming, and in the back of that room is all the maker space. We call it the YA collaborative room. It's going to be whatever the teens want it to be. As we come back out here, the circulation desk. When you walk in through the front door, see the line of sight is beautiful so it will literally be one of the first things that you see when you walk into the library so it won't be confusing you just you walk up to the Cirque desk and you can ask your questions. There will be a return drop in the desk. As you keep walking towards the back. There are two toilets here. And again there be gender neutral. And, and all in here is the gathering space. You know it does say cafe but the intent of that the meaning is that people will bring their own food and drink. Along the wall here the self serve holds this is where they can people can pick up their interlibrary loan books, and they can use the self checkout if they want or they certainly don't have to. The back of that space is, is all the new adult materials, and lots of seating. This this is really the space is going to be high circulation, lots of noise. You know it's going to be high heels clomping on solid floor. You know it's a place for people to meet up together and gab and eat and drink that kind of that kind of vibe going on. We have the head of borrower services that's right here, and that office is there specifically to help oversee this space here. This is the V collection that's going on here. And what we've done is this space so this is all in the new edition it is, it's part of the adult nonfiction collection. Our nonfiction collection is so large that it did not it did not fit all in one floor. So part of it will be here. The other part you can either go up the main staircase and the main elevator, or you'll also be able to go up this existing staircase. The first floor. That is my overview of the first floor. I'll stop sharing. So you can ask questions or give comments. Thank you. So I see Chris's hand again to go ahead Chris. Actually, there is some talk about an information desk so is the circulation desk really the information desk, assuming that people are going to be using self serve a lot. And that's the first part of part, you know point of contact. So that's sort of going to be the information desk there is that the thought. So there used to be an ask desk, which was meant for that purpose kind of directional, but no that ended up going away because the Cirque desk ended up changing locations. So the circulation desk will be the first point of contact. And if people have those kinds of those kinds of questions you know they want to place holds for, you know, 12 books or whatever it is, you're just going to send them right upstairs to the second floor. And I'll show you where the reference desk is there. Right. So the references is on the second floor, which suggests to me that we're going to really be an information desk there, it's sort of out of the way. So it seems to me that we'll be doing a lot of things there by way of helping people answer various kinds of questions so no more information desk, just us. One other thing so when Optima comes in we take all of the totes and we move them over to the machine through those rooms and enter them there okay so there's no way to make that closer one thing to the other I guess. Chris that's an awesome question so I wish it could be so but what we're trying to do is we want the machine to be as small as possible, the smaller the conveyor belt the less like the fewer things that will break in the future. So, and because we needed an exterior drop as well as an interior drop, it really it needed to be located in that space right there. All right. Okay, just asking. Thanks. Anyone else have a question on the first floor. Adele. I'm the room on the where where the current fiction is. So that that architecturally has a. I should know what it's called the high ceiling. ceiling. Yeah, I'm motioning with my hand but. So, will that be removed. Or that will be maintained. Now that will be maintained and you'll see it better when I bring you to the second floor. Um, I also. I'm looking at where the stairs are to go down. So, um, again, it's not that you're not seeing the stairs. When you come in, you will you see stairs that go up, but then to go downstairs you have to pass the circulation right and then. No, it's the, it's the same staircase that envision. So it's, it's wider than the normal. I'm not sure of the proper term. But once you, once you walk past and get into the open area where the gathering spaces right next to the circulation desk, you'll turn to your right and you will see very clearly the upstairs downstairs and the elevator. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else before we move on to the second floor. Okay, seeing no hands back to you sharing. You are muted. I'm muted. I'm sorry. Okay. So on the second floor you'll see there's a lot of purple going on that's the adult collection. And in the right in the center is the main staircase and the main elevator. Here is that that secondary staircase. Here is that secondary elevator, and here is the main historic staircase. So, let me start with this. I'm not even sure what color to call this light burgundy. This is the ESL suite. Just a little bit. So we have, it says ESL project group session. These are two classrooms that will be shared by our ESL department and the literacy project. So this is the coordinator's office, Linwein Traub's office. It's the four ESL tutor rooms, and here and these are all going to be in glass so there's complete visibility everywhere. And along here in this corridor will be the collection as well as seating for reception. So, so that people when they get there early, or they have a chance to go and talk to one another. So that's the ESL department. Up front here, this is on the right. This is currently the Amherst room, and on the left it's currently tech services. And so these two spaces are now going to be the adult reading room. This is going to be really one of the most beautiful places in the library. Think historic classic would work. It's going to be very lovely. So this is where the magazines will be kept this is where the newspapers will be kept it'll be a really nice place to just sit and read this. The blue colored spaces are quiet study rooms for for people to use. There will be doors on on these rooms and they will be equipped with with laptops so people can do whatever it is that they need to do, whether it's, you know, quiet study literally or group study they can do that you can zoom you can do do interviews. So that's the limit. So that's what those are for over here. This is currently the staff lounge staff area. It says periodical storage. That's actually going to be moving into this reading room so that's going to go away. So as Alex said, these designs are kind of out of date already. And so this is one of the areas that that need to be updated and the architects are working on it. These staff are offices that are here. We're really looking for more staff sight lines over all of these wide open spaces the adult fiction and the nonfiction that's back here. So the more that these offices are scattered throughout the spaces the better. This is the administration suite. So when you come up the stairs, you're going to see immediately the receptionist. And right here is the reference desk. This is the library director. This is the business manager. This is where all our financial storage financial records will be stored as staff copy copy center, as well as this this hallway should probably be in a different room. And it's the hallway to go to the bathrooms for this floor. And so fiction is over here, along with all the computers, the reference desk I pointed out. And then in the back is where it's the second grouping of nonfiction, as well as this has head of information services so that's the reference office. Right now this says quiet study room but I have a feeling that might be turned into an office there's going to be some shuffling. So I think that's the second floor. Thank you. And I'm going to look for raise hands again. So I guess the compute you can see the reference librarian. If you get to the top of that stairs because the computer stations are low I hope. Yes, yeah, we're going to be directing people up there. The other question Sharon is about all these study rooms are they just people pop in as they want or are we going to book them. We're going to have to book them so you know this has been a very long conversation staff originally wanted these to be basically spaces with only three walls so that people could come and go as they need it and the mblc back and said, you really need to turn them into rooms and you really need to have them reserved and like before. Exactly. Yeah. Thanks. Thank you. Thanks Chris anyone else. Okay. You know what I forgot to do we show the the vaulted ceilings. I'll do that as I share my screen again. I'm going to turn this floor Adele right here, this big old white space. It says open to below and that's because the first floor room has got is double floor high. So these offices here director business manager and whatever offices end up here will be overlooking into the team space so all of this will be glass so that we can all see what's going on down there. Okay, and then up to the top floor. Yeah. Okay, so here's the bird's eye view of the top floor, it's only the board room, which is the good wind room. The only difference is now the good wind room will be reservable by the public, because the special collections, you know the fine arts collection won't be located there anymore. And then there's the staff lounge spaces that's what's here. This right here is the original staircase, not original staircase existing staircase, and, and this elevator here that's the front small elevator. And as I mentioned in the beginning. Here's the problem that that removing this elevator is causing if, if the architects are to remove this, it means this square here is where the elevator, the new elevator is going to be. If the architects need to bring the that elevator up to this top floor, it means adding a whole another corridor. So, so the elevator itself gets more expensive to build, as well as designing another, another structure that will about this 1928 portion of the building. So there are going to be, I'm not even sure what to call it there are issues architecturally that mass historic will have there are certain rules that architects have to follow. So if you are adding on a new building to an historic structure, there needs to be clear delineation. It cannot just smoothly flow like when a, when a, an outsider is looking at the building, you need to clearly be able to see that that's the 1928 portion, and that's the brand new portion. So that's one trick. The other is one of the rules is that nothing that we add on can be higher than this 1928, you know the original building. And so I think the architects are nervous about whether or not you would be able to see that additional structure from Amity Street. So there will be a cost associated with all of this and the building committee will be talking about it on Tuesday. So that's the top floor. Great. Thank you. Anyone have any questions about the top floor. Okay. Oh, Adele. Um, is there a problem with keeping that small elevator, other than that it's taking up space. Oh, it's not even the space it's just having to maintain there's a cost so it's an elevator. Exactly. It's either pay for upfront and then we've got one elevator and that's all we have to maintain, or if we keep the second elevator we're going to have to maintain that for eternity, or at least until the next building project in 100 years. And I would, I would also add that it's, it's a cute little elevator but it's not ideal. If you are in any way have physical limitations. It's, it's not the best to wheel in and out of. It's not ideal but I've never been in it. No reason. Yeah, Chris, you have a question. Yeah, I just can't remember. Sorry, you're muted, Chris. All right, I can't remember if that elevator served any purpose on the second floor, or the first floor I mean other than getting to the board room it really doesn't isn't necessary for anything. It would just be necessary. Yeah. Adele, do you have another question or is your hand just to look from before. So, those are the current schematics. And for those of you who don't know the outreach committee is creating a weekly newsletter. While we're in this schematic design phase where you can find links and information about upcoming meetings about where we are in the process about community outreach. So, I would say in terms of upcoming meetings, Sharon referenced that there's a Jones library building committee meeting on June 7 at 430pm. And the main I believe topics of discussion are going to be the cost and impact on design to have gender neutral bathrooms, and possibly eliminating the elevator in the 1928 portion of the building. There's a design subcommittee meeting this Friday, June 3 at 830am where they're going to have some discussions with the designers around exterior materials for the addition. And then as I said earlier, there's a upcoming meeting on June 8, another community forum to just sort of walk people through the community outreach and how the process about how it's being reviewed by all the committees and and comments incorporated where where they can be so unless folks have. Oh, Chris, I'm going to go ahead. I'm still muted. Am I muted. Nope, you're good, we can hear you. I just had a question I know this is probably way down the line, but Sharon you were talking about the main reading room and I assume that the public will have some input on the interior design and the fixtures and that sort of thing right. Yeah, yeah. I think that'll be important to have that beautiful historical, you know, hey, you know, tribute to the library as it is now. Yeah, thanks Chris that's that's actually a great question. So that's so as I said at the beginning in terms of where we are in the process. Once we get schematic design done, then we move into design development and that's going to run from August through December, and a lot more things like the choices of you know interior and feel and design a lot of that will continue to do public outreach through that process as well. Thanks. Thanks for the question. Well, did you say on June 8 when what time that is the if I did not apologize June 8 is from 7pm to 830pm, and it's going to be a virtual community forum just like this one. Okay, great. Thank you. You're welcome. If that if that location can be switched with the bathrooms on that first floor. I think that would be a good solution. Oh, yes. No, great. Thank you. I'm sorry Chris you have another question or comment. This goes back to Adele's first comments into my first comments about both special collections and the Burnett gallery. I don't know where this fits in because it doesn't have to do with any specific room decor. I'm just envisioning the kind of big bowl posters they have outside of museums art museums I mean something that would say somewhere in the Burnett gallery blah blah blah our special collections exhibit blah blah blah running here through here. I don't know where that would go but we we need something like that to really make these, these places exciting to pay for anything. Thanks Chris. Yeah. I don't need another question. Oh, no, sorry, I keep forgetting to lower my hand. So we do have six attendees for which who are not in the room if anybody has a desire to come into the room and has any comments or questions we would love to hear from you. And also, we'll talk more about this on June 8 but there are many ways. There are not to be in a public forum like this. There are many ways that you can send questions or comments one is info at Jones library dot org. Another is on the building project page there's a submit a comment form so you don't need an email for that you can just submit a comment. And then there's a box which is a collaboration with you mass. You can also ask questions there. You can also put up comments sticky notes in the atrium of the library. So there's no shortage of ways that you can give feedback or ask questions if this is not a format that you're comfortable or or you just occurs to you later after we end this. So I know we're scheduled to go later but I, it's dinner time and if people don't have more questions this will be recorded. There is a copy of the current schematic designs that Sharon just went over on the building project web page. So if you go to the building project page you can pull those up yourself and look at them. And again if questions or comments come up after you've done that we would invite that and again a reminder to folks for the schematic design phase we are collecting community comments through July 1 after July 1. The comments will shift more towards design development, which we will still do public outreach but as the designs develop what can be impacted gets narrower and narrower as we move more toward a design that we can actually take out to bid and build. Right. See, seeing nobody's hand up. I really appreciate everybody who took the time to come. Thank you Sharon for going through the design. Thank you Angela for setting this up suggesting it and putting this together. Thank you everybody who attended and we look forward to hearing from everybody. Take care. Thank you very much. Thanks Angela.