 I feel like it's a game that everyone at the table said an idea and they all agreed all right. Well, all right guys Everyone's idea can be in doom eternal It's just a bloated slog of a game I think I still like it I but the fact that I haven't finished it says a lot because I beat doom 2016 very quickly Yeah, I was like a two-setting game where I beat doom 2016. I was all over that but this game It's just I got it. I'm gonna have to like push myself to finish doom eternal I Think I will as well, which is a shame Because compared to compare to aria in the will of the wisps, which I beat pretty promptly Like I beat that in a couple days. I Just want to play like almost anything else. I'm going back to old games that have been updated and playing them more Beat that in a couple days Well, like which ones Mordhau Layout damn it God damn it YouTube's layout has changed for me. I had it It has yeah, it's this big blocky bulgy looking piece of shit Pixel didn't happen Unless you're referring to the the style change that happened like a year or two ago No, no, no, this is this is definitely new. Let me show you So I just was Hold on I just clicked on your channel more or so that I could see the Like, you know the stream and well, I was actually gonna say I don't know if you guys know this but pretty much all streamers That I know recently they're not sending out notifications for streams just at all really so and so not only the view counts like a suffering but they also deteriorate really quickly because There's a point where people just don't even know you're doing it anymore And I figure that it's probably smart for you to put out on Twitter and stuff But I mean people could see it on Mueller eventually anyway. It's all good I'm sorry everybody YouTube's being a dick What it looks like on my hand pretty much sums up their attitude didn't look like that before Yeah, that looks different doesn't it looks normal to me normal to me. I think that's not Um, okay, all right It looks different It looks yeah, it's different All of the icons are a lot bigger and that it's got that sort of that kind of southern California You know design sensibility where it's all rounded and everything's like soft and flat There's no sharp edges anywhere. I think there's a lot of I think it's more sharp edges everywhere Oh, oh, yeah, there's more sharp edges on the um on the like subscribed Bell there and all on the on the buttons, but between the thumbnails and Join subscribed buttons Um, it looks the same to me I okay I'm not sure I just popped it on and then everything I was gonna say I just check mine does look exactly like that And I don't seem new to me. So maybe you just took ages to get some kind of update Yeah, because I like to hold off on update. I I hate these Yeah, same same. I fucking it updates YouTube is always making youtube worse with your asking. Hey, you want to switch? No, please No, it's better. We promise it's got new features like what like uh, not getting any more notifications anymore There's annoying notifications. All right. You hate those No, oh, well, thank god. I'd see you know, I There's someone competent Some might suggest that that is the removal of a feature, but How come there's that little Tittle thing on your you What's that on mauler? It's got that line on the you. What's that? Uh, that was that was something from the artist. I just don't mind it All right Kind of looks kind of looks like it has some purpose, you know, and therefore cooler. Well, that is the question It's definitely different all on my life Make sure your words are spilled right on your banner there Do you do you know about this chat? Do you know about anything to do with a banner and the weird intellectual recently? No, no, what have I missed? Oh, someone we covered Referred to themselves in their own banner an intellectual point of view for movies or something like that That's how they Consider their own work and they spell intellectual wrong A lot of people were like, don't you get it? It's a joke. He uh, he ended up changing it once people pointed it Oh Like that's the type of mistake I reckon I could make So I make groups on spelling all the time It surprises me it would have gone for so long because like it's his banner He'd think a fan would have zoomed into it in the video. Yeah, he's advertising the channel. He zooms into it. So you And no one No one had ever pointed it out to him and said, hey You you spelled intellectual When I make a mistake in one of the uh titles of my video those are the first comments that come up and I'm like, oh crap change it change it So anyway Um, I want to so so the April fools videos went out and the reason I bring this up is That the the just right parodies is doing pretty well in terms of like making my audience laugh And it was posted on a subreddit that hates people who hates the new star wars And they were commenting on how it's pretty good The pretty pretty decent video And then when it when made aware of it being my video, uh, these are some of the amusing comments I'm gonna I'm gonna show you lads that uh That they made uh, hang on all right Yeah, feel free to uh, this is from the what the star wars subreddit It's a subreddit that just fucking hates people who are uh brainless when it comes to hating on sequel trilogy You're like me like all four of us. They would hate all four of us. Yeah. All right Gosh, some of these are let's see the worst part is if he leaned further into the hyperbole I feel like this could be a fun parody of overly pretentious video essayists But instead he's using just right an actually good channel as a basis Even quoting some of his videos and it just muddies any point. He's trying to make other than subjective film analysis bad Um, there's gonna be a lot of uh self Reflection in these comments. I'm gonna be guessing Um, wait a minute. Is that just rights thumbnail? No wonder that it's better than the rest of his videos He is mocking copying an actually good youtuber Remind me again of this guy of I guess why this guy is nearly 300 000 subs So sorry by him saying better. Is that him saying that it was a good video? Yeah Well, whether or not it's a good video. It's superior to every other video I've made which I mean, I appreciate that Your video is like gloriously It is just a lot of words say nothing at all That's the running theme. I'm glad they appreciate the dexter jets that did have an important role in the rise of skywalker I think that it needed to be highlighted They must agree with the sexual tension between It all depends on what kind of lens you look at it at you know, they're using these very phallic weapons that extend Whether in each other's presence. What can I say? Oh They they say someone is like remind me again of why this guy is nearly 300 000 subs And the next guy says because he panders to quote-unquote intellectual. It should be intellectual Fans who want to seem like the smartest in any conversation rather than actually have a discussion because we don't have discussions. No Uh, no, no, so he makes videos that are effectively just endless gatekeeping about how his opinion Is right and everyone else is wrong. Well, here's the thing You can't random commentary You think that all of your opinions are right and everyone else's is wrong That's why you have those things. That's why that's why you hold those opinions because you think they're right The sheer You're all wrong. I hold plenty of opinions that I deem wrong It makes complete sense The audacity of thinking your opinions are correct Why do you why do you have them? Oh, I just picked him. You know, I picked him out of a heart I've even gotten this in real life is a you just think all your opinions are right. It's like, yeah That's one of the prerequisites for holding them If you if you acknowledge that one of your opinions is wrong and you still hold it, then you're just retarded I don't know what to say I'm trying to think of an example of what that would even be like. Yeah, I think blah, blah, blah But I also think that that's a I think slavery is okay, but I know it's wrong Okay, okay. What about what about when you're in an argument someone and you prove them? Logic and facts and then they still hold on to their view even though they've been proven wrong I feel like at least somewhere deep down. I know they're wrong because they just They know but they're not willing to acknowledge it to us. What's yeah What they acknowledge is different than what they actually feel and maybe I believe and maybe they don't know it yet. I guess Um But yeah, the fact that this is something that you see regularly it there's no it's so It's just Like this thing that we all do it's wrong for you Even though of course if you press this person on it, there's no way you'd get him to say Oh, just because I have this opinion doesn't mean it's right That I think it's right. Oh, I don't what a strange freak you are Well, it's interesting. This is very topical to what's going on in my channel in the controversy I'm embroiled in uh with uh this debate of archery historical archery. I'm doing I do that proven pretty categorical that certain things are the certain way with evidence and logic and So many just elitist Our brainlets are like Just not it's really funny because I saw colors. They were like, oh my god. So the archery community is so aggressive I think we need to realize it's just people. It's not about politics or star wars or archery. It's people Exactly that that when they don't want to believe something even when they're proven wrong They'll still fight tooth and nail with the most disingenuous bull crap to try and somehow justify their beliefs Ah Yes, uh this commenter carries on his videos are a quick shorthand For the worst kind of fans the worst kinds of fans. Oh, by the way, I before we go on He says effectively just endless gatekeeping Uh good. I want fandoms to be gate kept It depends on how they if you define gatekeeping as being like erroneously keeping people out then no But if you define it as literally just being a keeper of a gate to whether or not something is classified the way It's like, well, yeah Yeah, I I think that when it comes to pretty much any hobby or fandom. They're not for everybody It's not a place that everyone should be. Well, yeah, I'm the whole like enter into it and change it Well, hang on that. Well, I think that's an important distinction because You know trying to deny people enjoyment of something or you know, gatekeeping. I generally don't like as a rule Yeah, um But like in terms of keeping something as it should be like star wars Like not you're like respecting cannon and stuff all on board with you there. I'm all on board Yeah, like expecting cannon is gatekeeping then. Yeah, I'm yeah, I'm the gatekeeper on your definition Yeah, I don't know if this is a crazy person is just like, oh, they don't want Mexicans to be in the star wars fandom or some weird shit like that Because this is reddit. So who knows what the hell this person's thinking? But yeah gatekeeping actually kind of a good thing So there you go. When when used in a pacific. Yeah, because like, you know, I I simultaneously hold the position of like I would never tell someone they're not a fan of something However, if you go like man, it was crazy. There was no lightsaber clash in tlj and someone goes What's up? What's a lightsaber? I'd be like you're a You're a fan of stars I get my if my if my if my sweet old grandmother started playing doom And she thought it was uh, she said it was too violent for me. They need to take out the violence You know, that would be one of those things like, all right, we need to gatekeeper Come in here and try to change all the things you don't like about something so that now it appeals to you Well, that's the simpsons episode in marge. Uh tries to sanitize itchied scratchy of the Their opening is love and share and love and love and share This show is completely different. It reminds me of the poochie thing as well I think it should be worth pointing out the blast for the past Yeah, the general use of gatekeeping is more of a term of Elitism, I think where people are like no, it must be this way in terms of practice because that's what I've been running in With the archery bullcrap. I'm having fun with at the moment is the gatekeeping that's happening there that Sorry, but even to a degree. I agree with that Yeah It's just funny as well that we're discussing the concept of gatekeeping in a comment that says that we gatekeep the discussion from not happening Yeah, we're discussing it We're failing his comment is so hard right now Um, anyway, he goes on his videos are a quick shorthand for the worst kinds of fans the ones who want to end discussion before it even begins Hmm Okay, that went well. Yeah, I was gonna say that one aged well When dared to confront a different opinion They can just point to one of moller's videos or list off the plot holes that aren't actually plot holes from those videos And instantly own anyone who would dare like an objectively bad movie No, we we love some objectively bad movies. Yeah, we always say it's finally like it Just it's when people claim that it's like really well written. You're like, uh-oh, you know I like the mandalorian and the subject But also like what plot holes aren't plot holes. You just I was gonna say that that makes me wrong Yeah, all the plot holes are pointing out. I think I'm pretty objectively plot holes, you know, like I'm totally on board with the idea that I thought I was like, oh, which ones have I fucked up? And then they say the whole like you say that it's ridiculous to plow a Star destroyer through the floor in terms of damage, but they're immune to that. You didn't realize that That's not a plot hole or something like that and I'd be like, oh That's uh, that's a really good defense that you've been feared out of nothing Yeah, and I want to know what this person's justification is for telling us that we're wrong like they think their opinion is right Yeah That's kind of this person's just trying to try to use the word objective to silence our feelings That's what they're doing and to shut shut down discussion and say they're right. I'm offended. I am offended. I will say that Uh, let's see. Uh, next comment. So is he just being a dick or did he manage to make an actually enjoyable video by accident? No It gives me infinite pleasure to know that a trostefanda would have liked my video like they'd be like, this is good. I like this Uh, next comment. How does mauler do something less pretentious and hateful than the movie circle jerk-offs? Even when he's clearly making shit up Um, their reply is I like how he has to start Making up themes for the movie because he knows if he talks about the actual themes his fans will Realize Realize they exist Um, oh, no, we know there's a theme in the rise is gonna occur. Hide the comment. No, the chat will see they'll know They can't find out these themes. No Chat look away It doesn't have a theme But having a theme don't make it good I'm just picturing chat with like big cartoon eyes looking at this call bit like, oh my god, there are themes You lied to us Oh, absolutely. Well, I think we mentioned this before we got started but uh identity I think it is present in the sequel trilogy. It's about rey trying to identify exactly who she is through Uh multiple sources. They've just executed horribly Yeah, because because the overall message was always going to be it's not about where you come from It's about who you are or something like, you know The choices you make but they found like three different ways of saying it and then by the time they finished saying it They're like, so What is she? And the credits roll and we're like, oh Because that's contradicted by the end where it's like rey rey skywalk is like Oh, she's good execution is and then she's Trying to be someone else like execution doesn't seem to be following through What was the thing the the first one was like Your parents aren't going to do it for you. Go find your identity for yourself. Cool second one So your attempt to find your identity, I guess failed because you went for you were still waiting on a bloodline Um, the the end lesson is it's not about them. It's about you. It's like, oh, it's kind of the same as the first movie But okay third movie. It's palpatine. No, it's not really it's whoever you want Oh We spent so time so much time judging what her family might or might not be that we never got to know her All right So this is this is um another very interesting thread I was gonna I was gonna show on you folks. I find it extremely amusing, but uh, you want to give it a read mr. Ragu? Yeah, let's give it a look see basically It just proves that moller is too stupid to understand that his opinion is not fact just because he feels like it is um Interesting Yeah, I just like because you can state facts and say you agree with them Which then you're sharing an opinion about a fact. Yeah, you can have opinions that are facts Yeah, I see saying that this is impossible like too stupid to understand his opinion is not fact Well one, I don't think moller ever said that all his opinions are facts So that's a straw man, but some of his opinions are I would say How do you Yeah, like my my favorite color is blue. That's not saying like objectively blue is the best color Yeah, but it is a fact that your favorite color is. Yeah, it's the fact. Oh my god Oh my god So let's see the next person says I think moller is genuinely mentally ill Hahaha Well, it all honesty Ripper Rudy I kind of believe that about all of this a little bit. Yeah It's fine That that next comment though All right, this one should be doozy um I've seen people sincerely speculate that he's somewhere on the autism spectrum Perhaps it's ass burgers It would help explain his obsessive tendencies how incredibly literally he takes things And his struggles with social norms Like when he was confused over joseph anderson someone he doesn't personally know being offended that moller called him a massive wagon It's not that's not the point I totally understand anyone being offended by anything. That's the nature of humanity I'm saying why the hell can you get over it? Especially when he laughs at jokes that are specifically designed within that let's say uh tia He's pissed at me because I said something that he was told by a fan And I was like can we just like you know ignore it It was supposed it was in my script because it was funny. He was like no Okay And I you know rags and I we get all kinds of shit thrown at us all the time We're still just like yeah, I mean Well, anyway, I mean if you can I mean Um at the very least I think he has a narcissistic personality disorder I mean just look at the summary from wikipedia NPD narcissistic personality disorder is a personality disorder characterized by a long term pattern of exaggerated feelings of self importance An excessive need for admiration and a lack of empathy towards other people. That's man people with in yeah, it's you to a T People with NPD often spend much time thinking about achieving power and success or on their appearance Typically, they also take advantage of the people around them Such narcissistic behavior typically begins by early adulthood and occurs across a broad range of situations I want to break that one down. Let's let's apply it individually. So, um Long term pattern of exaggerated feelings of self importance. All right. Is there a long-term pattern? Are you do you think you're more important than other people? I try to think of examples Exaggerated feelings of self. Yeah. Oh, that's true because I think I'm I'm pretty important especially to me Yeah, I've never you know, to be honest like I've never heard more or say that his opinions are more important than other people Not Joseph Anderson said right Joseph Anderson said what was the quote that his full out three videos viewed more on the daily than Someone will be listened to in their entire lives Why would you say I think the fact that you you bring other people on to hear their views and engage in a discussion Contradicts that point quite strongly because if you had it, you know an exaggerated feeling of your own self importance You'd want to make it all about you Not bring on guests or debate people. Well, I mean you just say long term. I am a long man. That kind of lines up Just saying Yeah, but that's a bit though. These people don't watch e-fap. They don't they don't watch the things that they're criticizing They just heard it from somebody else in some vague way and then they've shaped it in their mind to be something They want it to be An excessive need for admiration now. I think everyone generally likes to be admired. That's not a negative thing I mean, but I ain't excessive need Yeah, I can excessive need excessive need like how would you uh, how would you be able to notice that? Sorry, just a quick question. Waller Does your content cause people like like this in this reddit post to admire you? Oh, I get all kinds of admiration all the time I don't highlight like a shit ton of just the sludge that gets poured onto my reputation regularly Yeah, because you would think if you were after admiration and you had an excessive need You wouldn't pick an area or body of work that would so controversial that causes such a well Yeah, this is the thing if I wanted to achieve a maximum admiration I would just do what just right's doing and hope nobody points out all the flaws I was actually talking to Alex about this with the response that I got through that parody video I'm like, I really could have done what Joseph Anderson didn't and if I said everything is subjective in terms of like Judging any kind of quality then anyone who criticizes me. I can be like that's your opinion and that's fine Thank you for watching. I appreciate it and I hope we can be friends like the most diplomatic and friendly And I probably get a way better set of admiration at that point than what I get now, which is I'm not saying it's thankless, but like there's a lot of people who really don't like what I do So I think that point is thoroughly contradicted by reality Like I would I guess I'd rather be admired than not I guess in most contexts, but maybe you could argue People would be the same way. Maybe you could argue I'm an I'm an incompetent narcissist Yeah And I mean just on the matter of wanting admiration It can be like this I don't think there's anything wrong But going to try and get people's admirations in a negative way by like pandering to them and not standing up Be yourself and just trying to please everyone. That's Honest or exactly you don't believe Yeah um So moller has a lack of empathy towards other people I guess the proof for that would be that I throw insults would be like damn Nailed it. Oh, but I just counter with you know, you were you were showing um support and stuff when I was going into my surgery I've had first hand experience of Mawla cable being empathetic. So it's actually not a complete robot Damn my veneer is cracking Um, let's see people with npd often spend much time thinking about achieving power and success or on their appearance I feel like I could be doing a hell of a lot more if they were my only goals Like uh, first of all covering a lot more videos a lot more things a lot more faster, you know, like A power and power. What would be power on youtube exactly? Well, I would actually say Doing things that are more in line with growing an audience and getting views and you know, long man bad that that's Like that that style of content you're generally more inclined towards isn't necessarily it works in some niches Absolutely, but more broadly It's a bit harder for you know And so I don't think that would be the best Not to mention the raid shadow legend still hasn't popped up on my channel or e-fap So you'd think it would have by now if I was aiming to At least by the definition of success being money Well, yeah, wait, I say that it popped up on gadelve, obviously Shade or a jet regens of lado the better game you guys should all play it Do you care about your appearance molla? I mean, I've never seen your face once I mean, it's not hard to find. I just don't I just don't think that it's better than having icons or In my videos, I always think I should just have visual references instead of a vlog, you know I mean, I I don't use my Face and stuff on youtube, but I keep up my appearance because people see me Like I don't want to look like a slob like half the people who Like on youtube so many people get in front of their web So I'm like, I I don't know. I just feel like everyone should take care of their appearance. It's a good It's you know, it's a good. Yeah, like if this was actually being said about shad right now I'd be like, well, I mean he looks good on camera. That doesn't mean that he's obsessed with his appearance Yeah, weird I shave and bathe and all that Wow, you narcissists I have to say like seriously, I do the bare minimum really bare minimum when it comes to like Yeah, but some people don't even do that. That's the thing Yeah, I think those rocks point So many people and and I know people it was like, oh, they just make fun of people's appearances But I'm like, imagine if you were going to show up to some just public event and your shirt was all dirty and Ratty looking and it didn't fit you and your face wasn't shaved and it was all scraggly looking and unkempt and your hair was greasy and unclean And you're clearly hadn't washed your face in a few weeks um Like come on Come on Um typically they also take advantage of the people around them Um So I'm not you don't pay me more or I'm just saying damn it smaller take advantage of There you go. You just said it shad. I'm not paying him for his appearances. Yeah, I feel I feel robbed Like I get a like I've been you know violated In some way and offended Oh deeply But I I guess the nail in the coffin will be uh, we'll have to ask moller if this uh, narcissistic behavior began in his early childhood uh When when did you when did you? Realize that you had potentially asperger's I um As soon as I first my I made my first long man, which was you know, that was early adulthood Um Well, so now that we've proved it, uh, he basically ticks all the boxes Basically tick all the boxes Yeah, basically. Yeah Um, especially with how he gets quite upset if people he criticizes don't come on his streams or acknowledge him Oh, yeah, we get really mad at that. We definitely don't just Oh Moeller goes on these massive emotional tirades for people not coming on his stream. It's it's shocking I don't care the only one they can make an argument for is joseph anderson And that's just because I thought we could have a really productive conversation And he had no reason he said he would if not for hit me call him a massive faggot. I was like, are you serious like And so they take that as wow, you're desperate to get people on your podcast, aren't you? It's like I I mean I could take it or leave it, but I just Okay, fine. Yeah, I think he's got plenty of people on his podcast who are okay Um, also, there's a laundry list of people who would refuse to come on here that we'd be okay with like we've always been Okay with quinton reviews coming on sometime. I seriously doubt ever he would come on Yeah, it's not us who say they can't it's they're the ones who won't they win win, right? It's like either we would prevent them from coming on because we're afraid or that we want the bob because we're Desperate to take advantage slash to have attention I guess It's like we can't win Um, let's see Especially with how he gets quite upset if people he criticizes don't come on his streams or acknowledge him And how he goes to great lengths to hide his actual appearance since he got a bigger audience What the fuck does that even mean? Wait, I I thought I thought he had a narcissistic personality disorder So if that's the case then why would he go to great lengths to hide his actual appearance appearance since he got a bigger audience Also, what does that have to matter with anything? Like the only way unless more actually looks like, you know, some disfigured and rotating mess And then he's going to great lengths to hide because it's so narcissistic Yeah, look for mad pretty much, but like even if I did uh, basically look like a puddle of flash It's like I still think people would like enjoy my content that already did, you know They'd be like, well, he's a puddle of flash, but still Looks like So good, huh? Um If I looked like job of the I think people be still on board because of the whole star wars theme, you know They'd be like, oh, that's cool job is making youtube videos And I think a lot of people in by the way There's no way that they would say this about anybody else on youtube that they like going to great lengths to hide His actual appearance since he got bigger. I was like, okay This is why this doesn't matter and I think a lot of non youtubers don't understand how How many advantages come from using either an avatar or no representation of yourself in any way Having none of that and not having yourself Not having your you know sitting in front of a webcam and doing stuff There's a lot of advantages when it comes to like editing and stuff, especially How that come with that That law sentence though. I find that not to mention His willingness to associate with downright nasty people Like rags Sargon the geeks and gamers guy, etc I like how it's just out of the fucking realm of possibility that i'm friends with rags It's like no rags. I need your audience. Give me all right nasty. I don't think so at all I mean personally gonna put it out there. I disagree that you're nasty. That's my hot take for the day Well, that's just because Wait, I'm a narcissist. Therefore. You're not nasty. Okay. All right, I gotta figure this out on my white board Why don't we gotta be a whiteboard? Oh, I meant blackboard A blackboard's actually worse because you have the blackboard which is perfect as is and you're using white chalk To cover over it. If I was autistic, what are they trying to say? You know Pretty able us to me like it like where are you going with this like that mohler? What an autist? That's a pretty ableist language there I'm gonna say that I said something dirty and gross, but I don't know what it is Right. All right. Um, yeah, that's nice. Let's see. Yeah. Well, uh, so yeah, there you go We're bad horrible people and mollers the King of the right wing nazi and cells narcissists leftist and Yeah, um There you go Yeah, I find it interesting just the last thing that it really does seem like people Equate the capacity to be nasty Meaning someone is then nasty person across the board because I've been nasty the people who have rightly deserved it Um, and I think everyone has well, I mean they're being pretty nasty to me in this thread But they're they're exempt because I'm a badman But you judge someone to be a nasty person broadly by their broader actions and how they treat people broadly Not the specific instances of when they are nasty for, you know, justified reasons at times and stuff Um, because yeah like rags isn't nice enough guy. I don't like Okay, you know, I could uh Well, I guess I would love none of these ever have examples You have the one about you calling Joseph Anderson a massive faggot But that's because he was acting like a massive faggot. No, it wasn't even it was a joke And I had to explain it to him and he joke policed me. I said I said the whole point of the funny is that it's absurd like you have this position on a game And then I prove it wrong and then I attribute that you have that position because you're a massive faggot That makes no sense and I said it's the same level of saying you're a desk lamp and he was like That uh, it's absurd to call someone a desk lamp though Well, this is like this is this is mean. It's like, oh It's not the same category. It's just you've decided. What is it? Is it funny? Yeah, it is the exact same thing. It's absurd to call something Somebody something that they're not like I I translated for him. I was like, I called you a large gay Like that if if that's your specific definition of faggot as opposed to a large piece of food eaten in britain Well bundle of sticks. Yeah, a large bundle of sticks. It's like, what would that have to do with anything? That's why it's funny, but well never mind Oh, I still love that that word is in the hobbit and lord of the rings the original book Those books must be disowned Wow, it's language Um, the only other thing I think is Worth checking out. I think everyone has seen this already, but it's just so funny Chad, do you want to have the honor of reading this tweet out and and accepting what the tweet is? Okay, sorry You're giving me a bob one Yes, I am So first of all read the tweet that he is quoting and then read his tweet and then react to it That is your that is your job for the day All right, somebody offers you 3,500 to finish everything on this tray in 90 minutes Could would you do it question mark? 3,500. Yeah I'd give it a shot. I'd give it a shot a good try. Hell. Yeah. I'd give it a shot I mean paying me lots of money to eat tasty, but junk food still but still taste it can be tasty I'm not a fan of macca's hugely, but I mean if I for money, like a lot of money, okay Wait, does that include like the wrappers and stuff? No I assume not either. I just I just you know someone someone who walks up to you with a deal like that And you gotta make sure I I probably couldn't but I try give it a shot. Yeah Okay, okay. So this is Bob's response. That's a fairly small Oh my goodness Bob Gosh, I guess point of reference Yes That's a fairly small like that he said for an average-sized person. It's like mom. What do you think average? This isn't even not even a moderate amount not even a lot. This is a fairly small amount for an average-sized person That is four different meals four burgers for drinks Okay Uh, the main reason fast food cooks the fast food cooks so fast and lasts So short is that there isn't much density I wouldn't want to eat a double helping of nuggets in that time frame, but I could easily That humble brag It's like, I don't want it's a peculiar boast I will say Isn't much density to it What is it short? Well, this is what I mean. It's like he's arguing that there's a lot of air in mcdonald's food or something McDonald's food is nasty. Can it's very compact And it's heavy. It's it's heavy in your gut like you just have to eat it to know that Well, this is what I mean, man Like I think that if I ate all the nuggets on that on that tray, I'd start to be like, oh Of that's quite a bit realize you have four double cheeseburgers two large fries and four sodas to finish the tray I don't know how I'm able to keep those drinks down. That's a lot of I feel like that's like a physical space in my stomach Yeah, yeah, the the problem is that there's not enough capacity in my stomach and liver combined Put all of this in there. It's for this. How is this? It's like It's four large meals No, it's a small portion for one piece a small amount for it's a small amount for one person I can't believe it In front of you're like 17 feet tall. So for this, this is what I mean. I'm a big guy and this is insane This is nuts like I I can't fathom it It's like 20 nuggets four burgers One of them's a double big Oh, yeah, it's even worse I Think the one on the right doesn't have a patty because that's just the people who work at mcdonald's unable to put what you ordered into the bag I think they're all supposed to be probably doubles Oh gosh, and you know, I bet people could say guys your fat shame is like No, we're trying to look out for people's health. If you eat like that as a single meal You're gonna die of a heart attack. Yeah, I'm sorry. This is like This is yeah at this point like you're seriously putting your life in jeopardy You should be ashamed for doing this to yourself I don't really mind I don't really mind like whether or not people do or do not, you know Act in a certain way. I guess the concern here is it's like this is like that's a lot of food I think that's a good point for you. Look if people want to eat themselves into it. Yeah, you can do whatever you want I can't do what they want But they can't tell us that we have to accept it or not acknowledge the inherent health risks that's associated with that Like I don't know movie pod like Well, I was gonna say he's just categorically wrong the average size person will not consider this small No, the average size person isn't capable of consuming this much food. The menu doesn't consider this small They describe this This is the family mealtimes too Yeah So if I go to the mcdonald's nutrition calculator, I can find out how many Wow, they have like they have a legit nutrition calculator here on the mcdonalds.com site I can find out how many uh calories are in this so you all discuss that and I'll get to work Well, and you know, it's funny, right? Like I've gone through different phases of appetite and eating I've been a bit larger and now I'm on and I'm doing pretty well. I'm on a health streak at the moment and they're burning it off which is pretty good and And and so there was like a time of life where I felt like it was a Like you've achieved something to eat a large portion. I was like check this out. I you know Like you able to you know, chug it down and stuff. It's not a healthy attitude at all, which I'll happily acknowledge But um, I like that's the always girl just said I want to do the movie bomb mcdonald's challenge It's like that's what it turns into McDonald's I would have a size person like you declare that in your video and it's like can I this this is considered small Well, it's funny. I think when I was larger and had a larger appetite I might have managed it now I can't my appetite shrunk quite a lot because I might be able to do it if not for the drinks I don't think I can put away that much. I don't think it's drinks Like I just I would not be able to do it at all now Like a single burger a couple nuggets and chips would fill me up and at least I would and it's a time limit to the 90 minutes. You're like damn I would literally throw up before I would you come close to finishing that Yeah, even if I start myself Yeah, well Preparation maybe yeah, but I consider myself. I'm I'm I'm still a bit above average But even a bit above Eric. I couldn't like do it at a star tread taking the movie bomb Donald's challenge Let's do a large fry Oh that Star Wars girl says she can do it. Well, I want to see this now The fries have more calories than the burger cheese Really? Yeah, the oil the double cheeseburger has 440 a large fry is 490 Whoa, I would not have thought that I guess because I guess it's all salt and grease and potatoes screw the fries then I'll just get burgers All right, so what else I did the fries. I gotta do the nuggets next and then I'll be done Sorry, I have to catalog this meal because it's a so long king's piece That starless girl just said she will I'm just saying she's gonna try this. We expect this now. Yeah, we better see it Let's challenge accepted chicken and sandwiches. Okay, so let's do a Let's do the nuggets for p those look like they're What 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 those are bigger than 10 pieces Fucking hell Those the next step up is a 20 Are they two twenties? Oh, they could they could be They could be 20 They're more than 10 they're more than 10 you can get is 20. They have to be 20 because it's more than 10 in each one Yeah, yeah, I think I count 13 on the surface for the left And that's not including any I can't see so it makes sense. They'll be 20 Yeah, that's the next step up that they even give me the option for so Plus a this plus that again All right This is a rough estimate and this is going by the mcdonald's calculator And you fucking know that they're gonna low ball this shit if they can if they can This doesn't include the ketchup. This doesn't include, you know, that sort of thing in case you needed more food with your food The estimate that I am getting based on the mcdonald's official nutrition calculator Is that this meal is 5,120 calories? What's the standard daily recommend? 3,000 is your daily. Yeah, so that is That's a small meal So this is this is like two and a half days worth And he thinks it's one third of your daily And a small one at that And it that just goes by sheer calories not the actual nutrition in yeah, because of course We're not counting the fact that you're like 400 percent over your fat intake You are massively over your sugar intake with all those drinks Yeah, and you can't slap a piece of lettuce on those burgers and think that you're doing yourself Oh, so yeah, 5,120 calories is a fairly small amount for an average size person What does he mean Like, you know I don't like to get too much into the you know Fighting between usual stuff, but this really does speak to his self-awareness like Because it's stating this unironically It's the equivalent of four-year-old virgin where he's like a boom feels like a bag of sand. They're all like What? Everyone everyone stops for a moment like what do you mean? That's a small amount of food What is your reference for food amounts? And he reviews movies. Yeah level of awareness and a critical thinking That is um That's rough. I don't know how to say Oh man We've only got one thing left in our intro for the day. Um I think we've all heard about this article, but probably not many people have read it No, uh Let's explore a show. It's called our fascination with canon is killing the way we value stories Saga made a video on this. I'm only halfway through it. Um, well now we get to make a video on this Oh, here we go. I've seen using an ad blocker. I've whitelisted No, because about a dinopire So let's see Our fascination with canon is killing the way Why is his capital It's all right. You only write for living. It's all good. Our fascination with why is with capital Hey, it's all right. You're right for living is killing the way we value stories. All right As the pop culture we love becomes increasingly dominated by vast franchises of interconnected worlds and stories Ask yourself why that is That cancels this entire article Second you think about why So does it become dominated by one singular question from diehard fans Is the thing we're about to consume canon to everything else we've consumed before It's an attitude that's turning our love of stories into some bizarre archival competition So the just there's so many ways this is wrong Um A lot of what makes A lot of what makes things meaningful in sequels is your knowledge of the things that came before Like certain payoffs you'll be lost if you hadn't seen the ones like Like I don't know how why this person's concluded this like why do you think canon exists? So that we have a basis for why things are happening later I don't know what else you it's just like oh you can't enjoy it unless it's canon It's like are you trying to suggest for a moment that the rise of skywalker is a film that would survive if it was isolated? No, that film makes no sense on its own But it does improve a little bit in isolation Just with what it did with luke and stuff. I I guess I agree. They're just uh, I know to like I wonder if that's their real goal of this article is to try and Remove some portion of the criticisms because again, which is just stupid on The funny thing is uh, my mom saw the rise of skywalker and she's as you know, the hyper layman Norby film viewer person right and she asked me she was like, it is okay Obviously she has she has no interest in stars whatsoever Well, the first question she had though was how come how come the guy disappeared when he died But the girl didn't when she died And I was just like It's a good question mom the great question question Really, I am the fruit of your womb. This is what we always talk about when even normie film watchers are picking up on these arrows like you've really made a mistake She didn't remember any of the characters names, which was funny I mean even even this this last sentence is it's an attitude that's turning our love of stories into some bizarre archival archival competition, um, but does this person not understand that we Archive all this stuff and we keep paying attention to it because we love the stories Those two things are interconnected like if we didn't give a shit about the stories to the point where we would want to know what happened before it It's like saying that it's bizarre that a person who loves history would be a historian almost Well to this person I would be like, why did you purchase the rights to a story to make sequels to it? It's like why didn't just make a story? It's like well because we like the universe that was a part of and you're like, uh-huh Why dot dot dot Like do you not you're not following that thought a rolling down the road? The whole concept already that that has been proposed is just antithetical to the idea of story. I like What is he uh this the next six words? Um, I could talk forever about how what a fascinating statement that is Don't you want to read it out ranks Canon is not inherently a bad Well, I meant a bad thing sorry mistake, but Well, it's still it's not a bad. It's not a bad. I'm just like who why what why would you say that who? Where was what? Whenever was it a bad thing you're saying inherently a bad thing. Well, I think but it's like, you know There are some people who think that I think there are some people especially the sequels have kind of brought that out of people Where there are those who one they have to ignore canon In order to have these stories work on fundamental levels But they would say that when it comes to we we covered a guy who was talking about that I forget which one it is because all these people kind of mushed together Um, but they were saying stuff about how the things that came before it they constrain artistic vision and uh stuff like that so I can absolutely believe that there are people out there who might think that canon is a an unnecessary It has a stranglehold on the way that we tell stories because it's it's basically it sets up a rule That has to be followed when you're making a story. They want stories to be free and open and yeah, even though Constraints have often landed well to creative often constraints and restrictions are really good because I give you a challenge Best example is the hyperspace kamikaze I'm sure they feel that the complaints about it being an impossibility because the previous space battles is ridiculous Like you guys need to let go of your canon. Okay, and I'd be like, okay. Why uh Do you know like you can't have it both ways? You're taking things from the older films and using them to your benefit And then sometimes you just blatantly ignore things from the older films So we are we supposed to understand say for example Who's kylo ren and they're like, what didn't you didn't you watch tfa and tlj and I go no, I don't care That doesn't count. So this film sucks because I have no idea. These characters even are like, oh Damn, we we have been hoisted by our own petard All the people in the real world who have looked back at history and said no, no, no Don't worry about what actually happened generally not good people All right, those who want to rewrite history and it just ignored and act like it didn't happen and Like I just wonder if there's any consistent argument you can actually make that canon can be a bad thing How can it be a bad thing? How can it be anything but helpful because it's about well because the people who think that canon's a bad thing Are people who put the you know, the the wibbly wobbly wishy-washy aspect of the themes of Storytelling on a meta level and the freedom it should have and the creative vision of this that and the other thing Canon is a is in direct opposition to these people's creative vision because it constrains them It gives them rules and guidelines from which they have to work from also history That's what I mean. It's like the rules and restrictions are helpful You know because you've arbitrarily chosen to make a story that takes place in a universe after buying the rights to it So you can't just then say well to hell with all the other stuff that happened in this universe We're just going to do our own thing Um, I think there might be an interesting point here If we're trying to figure out when is canon a bad thing and I think the best example is actually the sequel trilogy because So garbage that anything that's based off of that canon into the future. I can't watch I put a tweet about that that we've gotten so fucked now that um people consider the canon of tlj to be You know bismished by tros and you're like wait what like so confused I think you can get to a point where you just have absolutely fucked yourself. Yeah, uh where no matter what you do It's going to contradict something Which is what always is that no I mean, I would prefer that a series takes like all the bad things about the prequels Own them and move forward with them. I mean, I would do something you could try Yeah, the prequels don't irreparably damage stalls as far as I'm concerned Well, I think that's kind of the key if you have a solid canon that is that is self-contained consistent not contradicting yourself That is nothing but a good thing, but if it's horrible and it's working against and it sets up like drastically Bad things in the setting and characters and events Well, then I could see a year canon might be working against it But that's not what we're having so far Well, like that's not what star wars the state star wars was in before the sequel trilogy And if they're gonna also reference like say marvel cinematic universe That's not in that state really either. There's nothing that it breaks everything. There's some, you know dodgy things here and there But nothing that breaks the whole universe Compared to This next sentence is really interesting It says um, they say canon is not inherently a bad thing, of course It can provide structure to chaos and it can provide a sense of not of just con of not just continuity but stakes that As that continuity progresses I have why do they say it can provide structure? That's literally what it does. That's what it is is structure It's supposed to be Like drinking water can be healthy for your body It could also be unhealthy if you drink, you know, uh, that's silos worth But even that's not a good example because you could drink too much water, but you can't have too much canon Yeah, you can't have too much canon. I guess you could have You could have conflicting canon. That's that's all we can really yes. Yeah, but that's not about amounts. That's about Specific specifics. Yeah. Yeah But this would be like canon can provide structure to chaos Of the world and like that's what it does. I mean like it does not just a can does do that like that's that's what it does That's how it works. It's kind of what it is Um as to having too much canon I think that might be an example when that might be the case if they if the The previous canon is so ridiculously large and the only way to enjoy the current stories is to understand everything in it Well, the bar for entry to enjoy that new story is way too high before you can get into it Um, I feel like that's a test of the writers though. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if I'd say that's bad That's just yeah, also that would become niche rather than bad as far as I'm concerned Like it's uh, this is for the hardcore fans, you know Someone new is like I have no idea what's going on Then some hardcore fan is like this is actually amazing kind of like endgame Would have been not not to say endgame is a great film. I'm not saying that I'm saying that um There are a lot of mcu fans that are getting all these payoffs that the average viewer who just comes in for the first time is like I don't I don't know how many these people are If someone said too much canon in the mcu, I'd be like no You just haven't seen it Just to throw uh Something in the fire I think endgame is a great movie But for a different point of reference and we'll leave it there You're gonna get pros and cons in the chat chat are gonna be like you're right and you're wrong But uh, it just like it for everybody doesn't know um, we're all having a very fun and engaging debate actually it's our Point of reference judgments on films and things like that and so it's intertwined with all of that, but it's a whole nother so There you go. You got no shad and you are very right Exactly, you see and my answer is it depends on the point of reference. You're judging it against Okay, uh, and I'll leave it there because I agree are judging against certain point of references without uh, acknowledging others it can terrible movie But acknowledging other kind of standards that it achieves it can be brilliant and it depends on which one is more Important and uh or which one you find more important and that can be a subjective thing But I'll leave it there Also, I suppose I just saw one of the comments asking I'm probably should have mentioned it because in terms of efap continuity the last time they heard from you You're going to get some surgery So you want to update the uh, the old chan how you are how everything went Well, I'm happy to and thank you for your concern guys. Actually the support means a lot So the first week of recovery was hellish like really rough Like a point pain so bad that you can't maintain composure. Just a whale in agony, you know But then I got onto the drugs that they gave me and they were dizzy. So That that helped But I was reluctant to take him because one it was a warning that they could be addictive and two they had a whole list of like Symptoms that this court might cause vomiting, diarrhea, nauseousness and stuff And I'm like really that holy crap And the word the last thing I wanted was to throw up with my throat That makes sense Gaping wound right and have stomach acid just Sravage I was like, okay, I'm avoiding this but the pain got so bad that I was like I have no other choice and the first night it made me pretty nauseous. It didn't make me throw up So I risked and and then after that it was like magic stuff and I can really see why they warned people I was like, I can see like the weird thing about this one, right? Um, is that Relaxing get like for me. I need to do work to relax. I need to play a game I need to do something to relax, right? This type of drug it was like an instant relaxation pill You took it and and then it not only reduced the pain But it made you feel mellow and relaxed and I was like, wow I can really see why people could get addicted to this stuff And so I got off it as soon as I could as soon as I could manage the pain without it. I was off it And uh, and then that was after the first week And then the next week it was still pretty hard to talk and and now I'm like almost fully recovered I do have difficulty to talk sometimes, but it's not pain. It's like, um It's like a swelling or like there's more, you know Less room in the throat that causes me to get a gag reflex when I'm talking too much And I can kind of feel it now, but I'm doing mostly okay. That's the only after eating a 5100 calorie mcdonald's A moving pub challenge sort of thing Um, but as to hasn't had any effect. I'm seeing really positive signs So I still have some like, yeah, I've had some rough nights now and then When I've it's like a sleep happening right where I don't breathe well and then I'm wrecked the day after So that has happened since surgery, but there's been much fewer and I've had days where I've been feeling like I've had energy I've been how to do stuff and that's been like You know god send, you know It's been pretty awesome to feel energy again So that's kind of the update. I'm so far so good and so thank you for your concern guys. I appreciate it excellent So that's how I was girls asking what drug I'm not gonna tell him. I don't want people to get hooked on this That's a super addictive drug, but I won't tell it's a 5000 calorie mcdonald's. That's what it is Just so I know specifically to avoid this drug. Yeah at all times I want to know which one exactly it is and what dosages you took isn't it? It's walta whites math, isn't it? I knew it The blue stuff man. All right, so australian crack it is The idea lets characters bear the impact of events on their journeys across not just one narrative But many Allowing them to grow and change to the point that they might even be entirely different kinds of people compared to where we first met them Yeah Consumed eyes like Yes, we're going down There's still plenty of room for variety and interpretation and even a relatively strictly defined canon Just look at star wars and the kinds of stories it can still tell Despite the mandate from on high that anything told must fit into what's been established since disney took over the franchise What do they mean upon high what does that mean but disney hasn't been following that mandate No, they haven't that's the problem. I thought that's why this hospital existed was to argue why they don't have to so This fight the mandate from on high from upon high That anything anything in italics anything told must fit into what's been established Like yeah, I thought that was a given The thing is you can fit into what's established even if you've never been referenced before Like that seems to be something that they they think that we advocate for is like you can I remember there's been people who've been like, oh you want it so there's never a new force power And it's like it depends on what you do and how You're really careful Yeah, and I I still feel that you know keeping the force restricted to the core set would have been worked so much better I think it would be better. Yeah Like let's let's go over the list force healing Could have maybe worked but not like this. It's too late to make it work. Anyway, right too late You fucked it up if they didn't if it was there the whole time then maybe but no We've got force Fucking teleport actual objects across distances Which by the way fills in the plot hole for tlj. She forced teleported that knife away. That's what she did It makes sense now. Fuck. I kind of feel like that one doesn't get enough attention. That's a huge deal It really it really is I I suppose You could get away with the fact that it's between two incredibly forced sensitive people Generated by one of the most powerful force users in history Is that is that the like the only way you could try and restrict it because if Average genites could learn to train to do this Gosh, I mean they could never have the plot of a new hope again where they have these plans that they need to get to The rebel people is like We'll just Yeah, teleport a grenade into the core of the death star Um, but we already have this with force healing as they have it Like if a baby can do it like this if ray can do it like this in in the context that it's used Then like man Obi-Wan that that should be like the first thing you learn is a jedi It's amazing. Yeah And it's clearly a defensive power, right? It's not an offensive power at all Yeah, you can't heal someone to death Exactly and it doesn't say that the dark side would able to find it It is like what it seems like a very good, you know White side power and all that he can spending his life to learn when ray just pulls it out of it Yeah, she just does it like on a whim. She's just like, oh, I'm good. Do you remember? Uh, not po fin c3b. You're all totally fine with it. It's bb8. She has to explain it to bb8's the one who's like Wait, what did you just do? Bb8 the little robot thing is like this does not compute I like I would love it if all bb8's beeps and boops for him saying you guys are retards That shouldn't be how it why you doing stop it It's like I'm following you guys around is because you're invincible But man I think obi one should have been able to heal heal kwagon, you know stuff like that like stuff which would have and if kwagon was alive that could have Really changed the story of how anakin was trained at all Yeah, kwagon might have been able to find out about palpatine early on because he was so switched on and capable and gosh And yeah, it would have been like anakin turning to the dark side like I did to this little slave child on this planet anyway Horses fucked yo And I don't even necessarily have a problem with the long distance for skype calls It's just the way that it was done was Just like oh, we need them to talk they can talk now Well, that's why I kind of get out with like, you know, no new force powers. That's terrible It's like you do realize we've got a lot to work with you can make a lot of incredibly new things out of things We already know For example, it's Darth Vader chokes a person and then luke telekinetically grabs a lightsaber You're like are those two things is that a new thing? It's like, well, no technically that's just an extrapolation of the first thing exactly Exactly and force choke is just force push on your windpipe and um Maybe super speed is that you're super pulling yourself towards something We'll super pushing yourself away from someone. You're like, whoa Yeah, what you can do with just push and pull and just those two if those were all it was It's just push and pull like Man push and pull works really well because it's really easy to grasp You know you push pushing and pulling. It's just movement. It's basically telekinesis But it's force grasp easy to grasp Yeah, like it's it's easy to understand why choking somebody would work if you were able to move objects If you could move objects, you could probably crush objects that makes sense But like force healing is a whole different thing. Yeah I just want to say that the book Matilda has more explanation as to her powers than the course does Let's see. I have good memories of Matilda for some reason. I remember it as being a fun kid movie I remember being fucking shocked by the chokie. I was like, is this real fit? Like, how could you get away with this? This is a school with this torture chamber I was like bring it back Bring back the chokie some kids need the torture closet Um, let's see. Where are we? Uh, but those stories benefit from the added weight of being definitive Interpretations and events that flesh out an entire galaxy's worth of stories. All right. Thanks for thanks for Reading the article of this everybody Guess that's that right? Um Yeah, those stories do benefit from that because it keeps consistency which makes the world more believable and realistic and Hold it suspends our suspension of this belief Um, but we're canon or rather our hunger for it goes terribly wrong is when Whether something matters or not becomes the base standard for how we consider a piece of media Well, whether something matters or not becomes the base standard I guess they're saying that it's bad when our concern for canon is what we put above everything else Or it's it's the base standard for whether or not we think something is good or not I would just argue. Nobody doesn't do that and then they'd be like, what do you mean? I'd be like any payoff that you experience is based on knowledge you had prior to that moment regardless But they're not even defining whether something in canon matters or not They're saying broadly whether something anything matters or not becomes the base standard of how we consider a piece of media Isn't that how you consider media? Universally whether something matters or not or is valid or not in the media itself regardless like what what are they trying to say? Are they saying are they saying that the sequel trilogy? For example, we all go non canon because it breaks canon. We're not even going to Uh consider it a piece of media now. Is that what they're saying is is a bad thing I don't know. It's a very confusing like if you break canon, you're automatically out of being considered Which is bad and I would caution them to be like no no It's because we considered them that they became something we considered breaking canon not even non canon Yeah, and I mean it's clear what they're trying to say that they're trying to say Whether we are regarding something in canon matters or not becomes the main thing that we're judging the movie by Are the you know the base standard and we're not using it as the base standard We're using it as a standard to judge its quality and it's an important standard um But the movies generally still can be crap regardless of how well it needs to canon as well. It's not the only thing Um, let's see. It's an attitude that has become predominant not just within fandom circles itself But in the media commentary that has developed around these fandoms and the blockbuster franchises that dominate our popular culture So you don't even have to be a fan to recognize these things or at least talk about them They do seem to have a prevalent sort of like like they They exist in a way that anyone could notice them like you don't have to necessarily Be an expert in lore to recognize a contradiction Yeah, it's kind of base level stuff in a lot of ways Um, I think it's why a lot of people can talk about it despite not being fans. Oh, no, they've used the actually word Oh, dear Actually one of the most overused words ever this you may as well just remove it Most of the time you don't need it. Yeah I use it a lot actually It's it's good for accentuation It's just funny because it usually implies upon the speaker that they're gatekeeping for example actually interpret it interpreting It's like oh actually interpreting So oh, so you're not real. I get you. You're not a real interpreter. You're a fake one. It's like, okay fine Critics and fans alike are now less interested in actually interpreting a piece of media thematically Are to engage with why they liked or disliked it But instead to pick it apart and break it down to the base components of what are essentially its pure unflinching facts But hang on isn't breaking it down Engaging with why they liked or disliked it Well, this is the funny part to me because they're like, oh, you're not looking at the theme And I'm like, what if the theme like in tlj is destroyed by the unflinching facts As in this piece of media is giving me a lesson or a message of some kind But it's not following its own lesson or message. It's actually fighting against it It tells me that if I behave correctly and get punished for it I should then behave incorrectly that is the journey of po in that movie and it's like what an awful message It's like, but that's not the message tlj. The message is that you learned from failure. It's like, but that didn't happen What do you mean? But but you're not actually interpreting Oh, okay Thematically because you're not having the correct conclusion Mola. So it's invalid got me It's really interesting. I mean Everything I mean, I I think that breaking things down to the base components and then building up from there is What's fun about looking at media? I think that's what's interesting. I think that can give me better insight into even To myself as to why I do or don't like things Well, that's the whole point that literally is a way that a lot of people Determine why they like or dislike something, but they're literally saying in this article that that's not doing that. It's like, what? I mean, I would like I would like to know the reason why I like things a lot of times Um, they will help me get more of those things if I know what I'm actually what I like about something Uh, let's see. Um, that's that google star wars Or the marvel movies and you will likely see as many articles and videos with headlines like x confirms y is canon x questions answered by New media or x things we learned about character z in this new book slash movie slash tv show All right You're going star wars now I would just be like, do you know do you know why this stuff? Like if they were like this isn't really what matters I'd be like you do get that the biggest payoff of the fucking star wars trilogy in the ot is fucked up by new canon Like Anakin's redemption or at least partial redemption however you want to look at it him saving his son and killing the evil villain It's like he didn't really did he he tried just saying every video on the first page of The google, you know search for star wars under videos is either a trailer or and the last one is a special look Behind the seams. I think you're reading them wrong. They all say x confirms y is canon, but must must um Like one of the I remember one of these being the whole like who is uh, the Technical grandfather of anakin right or father and they were like, oh Thingy confirms that it was you know play guess all palpatine Knowing that information will decide a lot about that last kiss in tros. You're like, ooh so This is interesting. If I google star wars The second thing that pops up for me Is from not only this website i09 gizmodo But from the exact same author james whitbrook It is an article called Uh, he wrote today at 6 30 meet the almost excruciatingly wholesome jedi of star wars high republic Huh interesting Hmm I get a private browser or something with no search history. No, this is just a good. This is chrome tab And then the other ones are lightsabers of star wars the rise of skywalker Uh looking back at star wars rise of skywalker strange lucrative Uh disappointing box office something the forbes thing popped up um Those are the three top stories. What else is there? um The star wars fan animated colin trevor's rumors star wars script star wars fans. Yeah. Uh, oh, wow. That's the top thing Uh for there Oh, you're in a lot of stories. Okay star wars is ray skywalker plan shows just how much went wrong from screen rant. That's interesting X confirms y Andrew jack star wars actor dies from covet 19 Um, yeah, so that's a Thing All right Anyway, yeah can is important Um So moving on uh and before someone accuses me of throwing stones in glass houses Yes, io 9 totally does this too. Like I said discussing canon can be fun. It can add a lot to a series It is the series though Like a series is its canon. That's what it is defined by What I mean, I this does none of this makes any sense to me. I'm like, what are you? The series is the events that took place in that universe That's what it is. It can't be anything else They all right though, uh tlj does you know the sequels really does improve without canon Yeah um But this craving for it above all else is a toxic attitude. It's toxic toxic attitude Yeah Some sort of rude But this craving for it above all else is a toxic attitude Not just to the way we talk about pieces of media from a critical perspective But in fan circles as well Well, I would say that the best circle about something is to be critical about canon because you're working with more objective criteria You have to you rely less on I feel or I think and here's what the data is Find interesting that I don't even qualify You know How it causes a toxic attitude or why it's toxic when people are just saying let's let's follow what canon sets up I mean, obviously they're saying because people attack, you know movies and stuff that that must be toxic when And I the criticism is valid. So I wouldn't call it toxic like You know in the actual use of the term where people like individuals can go about this in a toxic manner, but There's nothing toxic about it at all Let's see Critics and fans alike are now less interested in what is Oh, I'm sorry. Uh, sorry. I'm drinking critics and fans alike are now less interested in actually interpreting a piece of media Thematically are to engage with why they liked or disliked it But instead to pick it apart and break it down to the base components of what are essentially It's pure unflinching. I've read this before you've read that part. I was like something's familiar with that. I'm I'm sorry I'm having difficulty concentrating Uh, that's that's the the hunger for facts above all else Leads to things like quote-unquote filler episode Becoming a derogatory term for stories that don't advance the larger ongoing plot of a narrative Or don't include some shocking new revelation that someone can add to a list Okay, this is not a result of fucking the canon. Nobody says like you fucked with canon. That's why you have a filler episode Or I don't even know this is a complete different conversation like what it means Yeah filler episodes are part of the canon. Those are still events that happen They usually refer to filler because they could be skipped by the general audience and nobody would miss out on any discussion about the show It seems like they're trying to say that filler episodes are caused by trying to adhere to canon and Is that what they're saying? Let's let's let's go to what is a what is a filler episode? Right, what defines a filler or what can we at least agree would be probably a filler episode Episode that doesn't advance the overall plot. It's probably the general way. I look at it Yeah, but you can but a filler episode can still do things like develop individual characters Yes, tell stories about the world they can world build really well Depending on your definition if someone said no filler episodes would have none of that. I'd be like, okay It's still possible that they could be pretty entertaining though Yeah, absolutely. They can be absolutely If I reference the ball episode from community, that would be something that's a great episode Nobody no characters get like a journey completed in that one as far as I remember They're literally saying the hunger for facts above all else leads to things like filler episodes What Yeah I don't see the causal link here. That's what I mean In fact The hunger for facts above all else leads so they're saying the creators want to avoid Uh conflicting facts so much that they will create filler episodes Uh, well that's on them. I don't know what to say about that. It's not even a If an episode if an episode is made to connect two important plot points It's not a filler episode then you can't take it out as a singular You know, that's what a filler episode is. It's kind of one that is, you know, not necessarily the overarching plot It's just there to fill in that, you know Sorry, sorry. I just I've read it a couple times now So I think what they're saying is the we don't like filler episodes because we like plot getting progressed because we love them Facts that we can add to lists. No, they say why they say why I don't like it It's because it's so that's somewhat shocking new revolution revelation that someone can add to a list if it doesn't add that they they this person thinks That a filler episode means that The four of us essentially we can't have new things to add to our archival list of canon Yeah, which is not true. Therefore we act as if it doesn't have any value to to the universe. Therefore We don't like them This is a very very malformed section of this paragraph that we're trying to sort of Scythe for the author Filler episodes are not necessarily bad, but they can be I don't mind a filler sure because whenever we describe something as bad because filler We're probably referring better to bad because bad filler not bad because filler Yeah, well, there are interesting episodes that I love that are filler Yeah, exactly an interesting point of reference like you can have an episode that is mostly And it's still advanced to the plot only Briefly and so it's not one or the other where one is a filler episode or one advanced to the plot It can be a spectrum on that one And the group first example of this is actually Mandalorian where there's a decent amount of filler episodes And they advance plot very like Tightly in small measures, but they can actually be completely disregarded Like when I watched the last two episodes of Mandalorian last night fair If my kids went up to that But they were able to pick up Because there were only four plot episodes, you know, really one three seven eight And you can have if you have a filler episode Where a character gets flushed out and we develop a lot more Empathy for the character and relate to the character a whole lot more That might not necessarily have anything to do with the plot But it increases how much we care about the character when they are doing important plot things later Yeah, I agree. Exactly. Yep So I don't know how odd to tie in filler episodes. Yeah, I feel like I don't even know why this came up Um, it does seem like it has been pulled out of left field here The only thing I can imagine is just that they're like you guys are so focused on details That you like can't even enjoy filler episodes anymore. I'd be like, uh That's that's just a really weird statement. I don't really know what to do with it I Could enjoy filler your badman for saying otherwise Yeah, I can enjoy filler um It predicates the gatekeeping act of being a fan that is built on how much you know about a thing Whether over whether you actually enjoy that thing or not Good, um, I would prefer That of the other way around I mean Mola had a good point before if someone claims to have enjoyed star wars and that they're a fan And they don't know what a lightsaber is I would have to question That's like, okay, so what do you like because you don't even know what it is like if we get really like almost Definitive about this we're like so passion dictates that you would have some memory of the basic elements of this media and Lightsabers are one of the poorest iconic elements of stars. How did you miss those and how do you not remember them? And then if they go on to say like, well, I remembered, you know phasers You're like, oh, you're that's not Well, no, I'm a fan of star wars. Damn it Yeah, someone could be extremely enthusiastic about star wars But they can want and add a bunch of stuff that is completely contradictory to previous information No, so and that's bad. It doesn't matter if they really really enjoy star wars or not It's almost like you've given a small child the keys to the kingdom when it comes to Creating canon like if you gave a 10 year old Idiot chilled child because kids are stupid and you give them Just the total free license to make whatever they want for star wars Like you're gonna fuck it up because it's gonna be jubberish. Yeah, it's gonna be 10 year old And this is just like an ongoing to pay on what it even means to be a fan because like You know, you don't say to someone like I have a mild interest in such things You go, yeah, no, I'm a fan. I'm a fan. You just say that casually and it's almost like you're a fan Do you know about all the Wikipedia articles? You're like, no It's the difference, I guess between people who love An IP and people who love the idea of the IP I think so and I also think it has to do in part with how much people understand about just, you know In general the idea of um a story that exists beyond Simply each individual component, you know There's a story to star wars that is beyond each individual film And it's something that you need to align with because that's like That's the thing that binds them all together as part of the IP So if you start changing things around and creating it without any regard for that Yeah, you're gonna create something that's a mess Yeah, I also think that there are levels and different types of fans And like you can have a casual fan I think people will be happy to acknowledge that exists Then you have the concept of a true fan And I would be hard-pressed to acknowledge someone as a true fan of star wars who doesn't know what it's like say groups And yeah, they wouldn't even be a personal thing like I'm not even aggressive about it I should be like no, it just seems categorical that you aren't what's required. I'm sorry. Yeah, exactly And it's not a gatekeeping thing. He's like, we're not saying you can't enjoy what you like This is why I literally can't understand how it's possible This is why I want to ask questions because if if they were like, yeah, sorry, I forgot I got bad memory with this sort of stuff, but then they go on to say like they love Luke's arc they love The incredible effects they I'd be like, okay. Yeah, okay. That is a weird thing to forget, but fine. I guess I just forgot it What's it called a babe a babe blade? Is that what it's called? No, man, you gotta say a laser sword That's what you gotta say to piss off all of the fans I actually think, you know that the Star Wars sequels have revealed a new type of fan as well Like the type of fan that really loves canon, dare I say and stuff because it's these types of fans that hate these crap Who respects it as opposed to It's it's beyond just merely consuming it. I would say yeah Yeah, and honestly, I I think you can almost use it as a kind of Point of reference to figure out what type of fan someone is based on if they like the That's a bit of a litmus test. It's like You know, how much do you care about canon? I don't give a shit. All right, cool What do you think of the sequels? Oh, they're great. Okay You say you love Star Wars you're like cool. Cool. Cool. I gotta go. I gotta head out. Uh, but cool. Cool. Cool Cool. Cool. Cool. Yeah Let's see. Um It's an attitude that in turn feeds the equally unruly and constantly growing spoiler culture Because a fandom that values pure details above all else Puts weight in the knowledge of those details What is that link to what are they? What are they starting about spoiler culture? Because It's been around since ever Yeah, I think their idea is that um, it's They're talking about spoiler not as in spoiling a movie But spoiler is in ruining it for other people because they get hung up on little details. Is that what they're trying to say? Oh, yeah, the little details Yeah, the little details any sense at all Like kills Han Solo like it's not a little detail Well, yeah, this comes back to the hello greener video we covered where he said the fucking um What what did you describe as a little detail rags? Do you remember was the hyperspace kamikaze? He said that's a detail Is a little detail How could you possibly classify that that way that's ridiculous little detail one of the big details Uh, let's see. Yeah people people want to experience the story unfold In a certain way. They don't want to be unceremoniously told after the fact what to expect Is the tension and suspense and a desire to adhere to canon does not inherently conflate an equate to The cancer culture with meaning the desire that you don't want to know what happens in a movie before you watch it The whole idea of like the canon is that it enables you to be able to It's the reason why it's important that things don't know I mean the reason why it's important that things make sense is because if things don't make sense It becomes impossible to gauge what cannot cannot happen What is possible? What could be expected and what things could be unexpected but still makes sense. There are there is nothing anymore Nothing makes a great example of this is uh cap picking up milnia. We've got enough to believe it's actually possible So seeing it is still a surprise, but it makes sense Well, that is Into the air and started flying And just going The interesting thing is if you watch that film in isolation, you might be like, huh? I was like, yeah, exactly Yeah, you could only appreciate that because of the canon the movies You can build up to things for a longer time and have these really cool reviews. I mean major advocate of that Well, this is why I get really annoyed when people act like canon is a restricting Component if anything, it's it's really useful Well, I mean it can be both TFA is a perfect example It's like I don't care that Kylo kills Han that much because I'm kind of confused as to their relationship in the first place And I don't even know who Kylo is if we had three movies prior to that that built up their entire journey that moment might have been incredible Well, and honestly even in the context of the movie, I know this But Han he just gave up on his family and Well Look between the four of us if we were to write a three a set of three movies between the ot and the st Could we manage to fix at least partially Han in tfa? But without changing it. Is it possible? It's like, oh, that'd be tough And I wouldn't want to because the end result is so No, I know I'm arguing that canon could actually save that movie to a degree Which is the opposite of what those articles are doing It's basically retroactively trying to fix it by explaining everything that they got wrong in the first place Maybe if like kylo had done something unspeakable to Han to make him really really cut ties and stuff Yeah, I mean, I think I think we would just go with that one that was often talked about and suggested that Leia gets to be a bit of a like Bit hawkish and she goes nuts trying to erase the empire And we make sure that we let it be known It's coming from like an like a not a set of she's never got closure about alderaan And she's constantly held that against the empire no matter who works for them or why She hates them and like she could she could go too far, you know Um, that could be the angle for why her and han have issues We could easily work with that. There's something there Yeah, there's validity to that now. Is it a bit in line with her? You know very Dominative kind of character. Um, it works it works. That's the thing. It could work or maybe that's better It could work in line with pretty much anybody who just watched her planet get blowed up Yeah, there's a lot you're willing to do if you watched your entire World and culture get destroyed in a blast in an instance. Yeah Um, let's uh, that would take care of it, but that would be canon so fuck it Yeah, uh, the need robbs discussions about the stories we get of nuance and interpretation Because who cares what you think happened? When there's an answer from the word of god to that question you might have had What is the point in the movie at this point? Yeah, what's the point in a story if you're gonna be upset when there's stuff that definitively happens Hang on like because who cares what you think happened when there's an answer from the word of god Like he's basically saying people who believe the incorrect things about a movie Are justified in believing that that you know like Darth Vader was physically in the last Jedi as a character like Replace the word of god in that sentence with what actually happened because that's what they're actually referring to Yeah, that's what it means. Um, because who cares what you think happened when there's an answer from what actually happened Who does care what It's not from like an ethereal source It's from the actual film. Yeah, they're just using You couldn't yeah like What are some of the statements that defenders of last jedi and riser skywalker have said that were objectively false From what actually happened in there because I know you've mentioned some in the Oh, wait, are you are you asking what in my video did I say happened that did not happen? No, no, no what what defenders people have actually said happened in those movies that Did not I know there was one from thought theater recently right when we covered him. Yeah, he said something that we were like That's actually not what happened Um, it's weird because there's so many examples, but The way that they're delivered to us. I can't I know that what I could mention I saw on twitter because uh, jay shared it because he was blown away Someone said like he made a good video But he missed the fact that leo was the one who possessed kylo at the end of the film to give life to Yeah, which is not true like how the fuck did you conclude this? Where did you get that from? Well, see perfect example where what they're trying to say is invalid is perfectly valid because who cares what they think that's not what happens So it's so hilarious though because the film wrong if they were right that would be leo killed kylo or ben You know, it's just like whoa, that's there's too many implications. We can't go that way Well, if somebody came up to the author james whitbrook, right? Um, and said I don't think that ray was a character in the force awakens The what who is he to tell him that they're wrong? I just yeah, this is why this standard doesn't work guys because we all know that this is not and if he said Yes, she is I'd be like you're appealing to canon and you're crushing my interpretation by appealing Yeah, if you're like, oh, you're just being nipped. I see what you're doing. It's like You don't These are these are serious cracks at your point of view you need to address them. Yeah, uh And more sinister tactic, you know, that's what's happening here. It's debate tactic. Yeah Sorry, just a lot rags at more sinisterly Sinisterly isn't I was actually about to kind of pause. That's an odd word sinisterly more sinisterly wouldn't that Confirming if things actually happened in a movie based on what actually happened It's sinister to say hey, that didn't happen Even more sinisterly and now see I'm gonna write this down and it's gonna be in gadelb 4 and people gonna be like Did someone actually say that you're like Yeah, james fucking whitbrook said it on his I am Because there will be such a funny concept the whole idea of ah come on. Yep Um and more sinisterly beyond the way it shapes our discourse It's a craving that further enmeshes our love of a world not to the world itself But to the masters behind that world Oh, uh So that's fucking wrong credit to hang on we give credit to the people who made the canon if they made good canon And that's I'm happy to give disney credit for everything that they've done It I'm sorry, why is this a bad thing that we we give Bitter enmenches our love of a world not to the world itself, but to the masters But I would love to compliment the people who create the worlds that I love Yeah It's really difficult Like when I talk about the world of star wars, I don't think about like in the back of my mind I'm not constantly going george lucas our master our senior Worship him like no it's like sure. I'll give him credit But I don't think about george lucas when I think about star wars. I think about the universe of star wars But you can't admire the work of the creator like um Tolkien made a phenomenal world that it influenced fantasy Forever like I guess since that Influential like so you can admire token for No, stop. No You're obsessed with canon though is that uh token agrees with um The philosophy like the philosophy that I have and when it comes to the whole idea of consistency and like in world building Like he doesn't agree with these people That's that's probably why they don't cite him and they'll cite fucking what call box instead of their story analysis You'd be like what why? You know that tolkin had the framework that worked out really well for him meanwhile This framework tends to yield really negative results. I know this is like antithetical to basically near I I couldn't think of any Successful and competent writer who could agree with this crap like this is this is not like how you meant to Create stories. I'm sorry. This is basically somebody saying sure write stories, but information doesn't matter Oh, no, he's doing the reverse like a great guy to destroy stories. You're like, oh, yeah cool I think uh, I definitely think that this comes from a very like Uh, romanticized view of what you know creating is the whole idea of uninhibited complete freedom But that's kind of just like it is it is a I would say it is a um unhealthy I was like an extremist libertarian view on creativity Yeah, the whole idea that everything you you shit onto the page is gold You should never try and put any restrictions on yourself You should always follow your your heart first even though, you know, what you are creating is effectively a machine It's a mechanism. That's like everything is good. I'll try to get like I'm trying to get all tisney and stuff, but isn't it like the whole process It's like the heart suggests something of the mind like chisels it out into something Yeah, exactly the the whole idea is you have an idea and then from there you're like, how do I make it work? If it was as easy as doing what your mind told you to do everybody would be able to do it Well, yeah, ideas are cheap Yeah, ideas are exactly ideas are cheap figuring out a way to make it work and have cause and effect Constantly in play and everything makes sense is the hard part. It's really easy to come up with a high concept And it's it's you know, it's really easy to imagine a world in your head But it's much harder to create something That other people can look at and feel like it's real and it wasn't you know an invention or a machination or anything like that Have you guys heard the story of that like the account from Jim Butcher when he had this argument with someone online? So Jim Butcher is the author of the Dresden files and before he was even like a successful prominent author He was arguing with someone saying ideas are cheap. It's about execution and this other person was like adamant saying No, you need the best idea. Like that's what makes a story And so Jim Butcher was like, all right, give me the worst two ideas You can think of and it is like the hundred years war and pokemon And then Jim Butcher went on and wrote like a best-selling series based on that idea What is it called again? Is it a codec salara? Oh, I know that there is a um, there is I think we're thinking of the same author who who basically took a bet Yeah, that's Jim Butcher based on a really yeah on a really bad idea And and that's that's fundamentally is the thing is is um, I don't I don't know about anybody else But ideas are the easy part. Oh, that's really cool. That's the idea We've got this before but like what is a bad idea to go? I don't know a guy locked in a room and I'm like, no, no We can work with this this thing as we can do Like it's about execution. You can make random concepts There's a whole movie with a guy in a phone booth. I can't even remember if that was good or not now And berry does it fill with a guy in a coffin of the entire thing Yeah, like you could make weird and even seemingly bad ideas work brilliantly if you can execute it if you have talents Yeah, I'm not sure that there's such a thing as a bad idea even though I'm sure that I have said on times This was terrible idea. You'd never should have tried this Well, that's what people say about the sequel trilogy. It's like, no, no, it was it poorly executed What the hell your idea was hard solo was like this pathetic loser saving for luke You know, like it's like that's a bad idea to begin with and it's like, oh, that's complicated because It could have been good There's not there's no reason why it couldn't have been good, but unfortunately Can you make it good if your idea is luke is trying to kill his kid in bed? Um, you would have to do so much work. Yeah, I was gonna say it's really freaking hard It's it's going to be really hard and it's going to take you a really long time So we you know, you might even think about it You might be able to go the route that he was you know being controlled by something else temporarily Or he was under some kind of mystical influence star wars has a bit of that right you can work with it The idea that isn't going to work is luke wants to kill his kid because he had a bad dream That's not going to work in any world any of the instance I feel like that would be a categorization That's a categorization thing as well because it'd be like what's the where do we get into the point of idea versus like that Is sounds more like execution doesn't actually seem idea is a high concept I think yeah, like luke falling back on a lot of his values idea But luke killing one of his own cousins as well. They all deaf you whatever while they sleep It's like that's an actual specific detail you've locked me into now Yeah, yeah, I I would say so and I guess that's that's probably like the big issue that i'm having with this whole article Is it's got a very strange approach to the to the creative process the idea that cherish your ideas all ideas All all of your thoughts are fantastic If you put restrictions on yourself based on external factors, that's arbitrary and stupid Do everything that you that comes to mind immediately and don't question it because to be creative is to never place restrictions on yourself This is just an absurd viewpoint. It's also useless for an artist because they do anything and they're like Why isn't this working? You're like, I'm doing anything that should work, right? Yeah, and I think and I think um, I think that the fact that people intuitively recognize that something isn't working It's kind of indicative of the fact that there is some sort of standard in our own head That we're aware of which should probably just be cause and effect, you know, we're aware of these things Even if we don't think about them consciously all the time Sorry, that was a total tangent. I'm sorry. I mean this article just cited the word of god. So, you know, we can probably go in different directions at this point um, so let's see um To twist a lit crit turn of phrase there cannot be the death of the author if the authors got their own fandom wiki Yeah, so that's the death of the author versus the death of the canon. They're two different things Yeah, it's not even analogous. Yeah, like that's just not at all the same thing It's not so when when an author says luke skywalker, uh, put his weapon down instead of killing his father You go, no, he didn't he killed him because death of the author. It's like no That's not the author that said that that's the content like you're making this up Um, so to wrap this up It's fine if you want something to matter to a world and characters you care about But it shouldn't be the be all and end all to your investment in them either How can I be invested in something that doesn't make sense or that's ever changing and what I mean by ever changing Is it literally doesn't look like it did seconds ago all the time? I'm just like, I don't even What is this it's just a blob that constantly changes and moves. It's like, okay I guess I could watch that could be funny That would be a good premise for a character one that just every single day But you know what's funny about that is the only way that I would want to have a character like that is if I had Other characters they could bounce off of I need a I need a baseline for that thing to be able to react to or be involved in Just to have that on its own everyone's just gonna be like, what is this? Like, okay, they're that character today. That's weird. Why don't you just make an anthology of different characters at this point? You'd be like, I don't know Oh same person Um Fandom is such a wide shareable passion I'm contentious with that Full of different opinions and interpretations about a thing united by a shared vested interest and love for storytelling So if you have someone who says that they're a fan of star wars But they give you all these opinions on why The canon is pointless and worthless and how basically everything about it needs to be different than what it is At what point does someone stop being a fan of something and they're actually a fan of some idea of it in their head that they have Like ryan johnson when he makes the last Jedi he's like, are you a star wars fan? Or do you just have some fucked up idea about what it is in your head? What I want to be is probably the most, you know, what what star wars ought to be seems to be the problem We get that whole conversation where they'd be like ryan johnson's an actual fan You guys are what destroyed star wars by trying to stick to what it was I thought that we weren't meant to gatekeep here. I thought we weren't supposed to be doing that They'd probably go with counter gatekeeping like your gatekeeping Oh, yeah, yeah, well, I like the idea. It's like You know Well, this was um, almost uh, oh, uh Valuing the sterile facts of those stories more than the things about them that makes us think or feel You know, like the canon is sterile facts. Wow Let me give Wait, let me let me give a sterile fact that obviously no one's really gonna really care deeply about it's just a sterile fact Uh Darth Vader died to save his son despite being almost irredeemable because he loved him That's a sterile fact. Don't you hate it that we only talk in sterile facts Well, it's also the fact that understanding the sterile facts can actually enhance your emotional reaction Absolutely Tremendously Makes sense to you but makes sense We've already mentioned the perfect example when cap picks up the hammer without knowing the facts of what happened before That scene is gonna have a vastly different emotional you with you're like with someone who hasn't seen it before They're like, why does it matter? Can anyone pick it up? You're like, no, actually This is really big That's a great example, right cap picks up a hammer. That's a sterile fact But it means a lot when you hear that you're like, wait, what? like That's those pesky sterile meaningless lame facts. Gug hate them What is the story if not a sequence of events and things not a sequence of sterile facts Yeah But how do you how do you interpret all of those things? Yeah, we we yeah There there was clearly something that happened on screen with dialogue that accompanies it But what is your interpretation of that thing? No matter how bonkers In contrary to the information Yeah, like to me, this is not this is not valuable discussion when it's just like, oh, but how you know Like what is your interpretation of the facts? It's like guys Can we just talk about what actually happened and why it's good or bad? So does that do it for our intro? Wow, what an intro two hours long. Yeah Pretty good might be it might be a good point for me to just quickly ducks to the toilet before we get into the Mando So Maybe we had to transition over it's like, oh, yeah By the way, now time for an episode by episode breakdown of a tv show After discussing whether or not a set of food is suitable for the average person Now that I feel And know that I can interpret things in whatever way I want and that's what's most important Maybe the show will be good now Damn Yeah, I mean who knows if uh if the things that you hated in it even happened. That's just your interpretation of the event Do you guys love that this is the world that we live in where nothing matters Nothing makes sense. It's it could be whatever you want And so we can't even understand like the most basic things about what's happening in the story I prefer it that way Makes discussion so much easier because I just say I like it clarity and um and You know causality, why does reality need reality? Reality is just sterile To not be in reality god Uh I want someone to make that Make the series make the movie make the show where literally nothing makes sense. It's just random stuff is happening all the time There's no continuity. There's no consistency. Things just happen randomly And then not only will it be extremely unlikely you'll find anybody who has a passionate love for it But they will never be able to explain why because that requires things to make sense I mean when we talk about that it's like getting to the fundamental aspects of like reality at that point Whether or not something makes sense, you know, this is how we make sense of the world If none of that makes sense. What are we meant to do? Let's see. Is this a sigh? That's like, yep. All right. It's just like i'm glad that You um Even a lot of people who claim to say these things I bet if they saw that show they'd be like this is shit Well, that's that's been my position for a long time. It's deep down. Nobody actually believes this stuff People have some sort of internal thing in that that helps them figure out what's good and bad, you know Like they're just willing to ignore it when it's stuff. They've come to quite like Yeah, something that they've decided at this point that they want to yeah, because again, you know, nobody really debates whether or not the room or Burdemic is is bad. These are things that we just accept to be true Uh, or not the way Examples. Yeah, it's it's just patently obvious that that's true Yeah, and some things aren't obvious Yeah, when things get less obvious then that's when it becomes uh more contentious But again, you know, are we really going to go up to somebody and say so? Yeah, do you think that uh, let's go good old citizen kane. Do you think that citizen kane is um is arguably as good As uh twilight they're not gonna nobody's gonna say yes to that Maybe Stephanie Maya would say yes I mean it that would be that would be blindly arrogant, but We don't know anyone like that Nobody who says like their own work is so good that if they were only submitted or had the buddy They could make a masterpiece. Yes. No one comes to mind at all No, no particular youtuber um But yeah, there's gonna be Somewhat out there you just be like in terms of craft citizen kane the room which is superior and so we'll go Well, if you look at them as comedies, it's the room And I just want to clarify I just be like you mean if we look at it as though it was intended to be good But uh, we laugh at how it failed to do so. It's like that's what you mean, right? Someone in chat said is twilight the dark souls of citizen kane. Yes I love how like That's just the go-to citizen kane is the movie that people's side is being good even though let's get rid of most of us haven't watched it I haven't seen it It's good for jokes though to say something is the citizen kane of other people Well, I think it's because somebody said that the last of us is the citizen kane of video games You know like oh the citizen kane must not be very good then Well, I mean I look I like the last of us, but it's it is one of the most overrated games of all time Yeah, it's fine. Um, I like it, but um, yeah We got a we got a cool adjet 2013 really was the because that was a year bioshock infinite came out too. It's like this is you know This is what art a video game is art Bioshock infinite. Yeah, and now we look back on it I get how that happened because you remember the intro, right? It's like everybody's just like this was mind blowing It was epic it was the all the things and it's just like it but the game sucks It's it's all the vague like art things it does look totally photorealistic Uh, the architecture is pretty cool. It's like, yeah, the art's really good and all that but and the music's good and all that but um Nothing works And the story's really stupid unfortunately Yeah Don't even you don't even go there that the amount of power elizabeth has and they just don't use it really at all throughout the whole campaign Hey, just make me some cover They they're like we need to pop over to a different universe where certain things happened to collect an item We need for hours. I'm like, I'm sorry. What was just jumped to a different universe If you die in one universe you go insane in the other it's like but if there are infinite universes Then surely everybody is dead in some universe an infinite amount of times Yeah They are playing extremely fast and loose with what infinite means I don't know any other property that may or may not have done that as of recently It's not like it would have it in the name as well Yeah, I'm just gonna be If you are using the word infinite for your idea Really double check and make sure that it's actually what I mean Many crises on several earths. That's what they should have called it It wouldn't have sounded as cool if it was called crisis on a bunch of earths Yeah, the fact that it's infinite earths mean this story don't make sense if it's crisis on a 100 earths You're like, okay Yeah, this makes sense, you know All of the infinite universes have been destroyed. Uh, all right guys, so let's quick maths question God crisis on infinite earths, man There's an infinite amount of the worst thing I've ever seen It's so bad Remember when when the stupid martian weird alien was like a other dude, you need to um You need to do what you need to do at the right time He's like, I don't know what it is. He's like, you'll know and then he's like I know and he teleports a random set of people all the paragons into the space between time and space Yeah, the space between time and space where there is both time and space But not everyone else by the way Not everyone else. Thank you just fucking die And and how one of them got replaced because someone wrote their own name into the book of destiny The book of destiny because that makes being a paragon pretty meaningless, doesn't it? Earlier we had that fight in like the first episode or something. We're we're there on that non-descript industrial constructions Yeah, yeah, and he teleports everybody to safety He can we know that you can do that guy that they needed you can't well. No, he can teleport rags We can't teleport to the space between time and space Oh, except when he decides he can no no the other guy can not that guy. Oh, yeah, that's right What are we talking about? We're talking about crisis on it for the nerves. One of the greatest pieces of media ever created Not the comics. The uh, the the cw crossover I like the when that first episode came out. I think I told you like I had seen like twitter I know brown table, but several others were complimenting how great uh, green arrows send off was Do you remember all of us were just confused We were like confused and laughing and like And the best part was uh After the fact it came out that he was acting against a tennis ball because the other actors had to be on set for their other show So It's a perfect commentary on stakes because like it wasn't even canon that ruined it for us It was just normal just cause and effect. We were like, okay, so Earth is about to be destroyed They're trying to teleport out a bunch of civilians even though the rest the universe is at risk of being destroyed anyway So I don't even know how that I don't I don't even want to start with that. Let's just go with it They were trying to evacuate people by delaying the ghosts You're like, how are they delaying the ghosts? There's like billions. It's like, okay, fine. Whatever. They're doing that Punching with our and shooting them with our alien man is teleporting people out so that they don't die And for some reason he takes ages to teleport green hour to the point where green hour fires an electric Arrow at him to stop him from teleporting him out Yeah, he runs out of arrows and instead of being like shit teleport me out now because I can't do anything He shouts and runs at the ghosts Like what are you doing? And then he teleports him out and he's got scratches on his face and you're like, oh, he's okay It's like no, he's dying. You're like, he's dying. Oh, okay Ghost scratches and nobody makes any effort to help him No, he's in a he looks like he's in some kind of medical facility He's in one of the like gurneys or whatever, but they're just letting him die Yeah, he teleported him to a place where his blood appears on the bed before he does And just like the final battle. It's just this it's just some small industrial yard again in Vancouver It's like a gravel pile And then the the floor the gravel pile in some of the shots was a grain screen. It was CGI It's like that it's shoot it there and then you have ps2 level graphics Probably even worse than that. I'm pretty sure that like Ratchet and Clank had better animation Well, that's what really separates the the artists from the idiots Like I don't mean to be too mean but what I mean is like when you know, you have limited resources The alien Alien is the the example It's like alien looks incredible and they had like such limitations in terms of what they actually had to begin Because I remember it wasn't something about like they originally intended the alien to be more visible Throughout the whole film, but they were just like it just looks better the less we show it It's it just makes the film scarier more Atmospheric as well as making the enemy just so confusing as to what exactly it is and what it wants It's like, oh, wow In general a lot of people it's the reason why a lot of indie games have pixel art It's like, yeah pixel art. We can make that faster. We don't really have the money to spend on our on big graphics 3d graphics So we'll just do pixel art because it'll still look really cool. Then this was like check out our CGI yo I mean, I think it's a big problem with the art and it's the reason why dead of a worthwhile is because it's like Yeah, this is a ground level superhero. I mean, you don't need visual effects. Really. So I just reminded me He says when he teleports him in he fought to his last breath and he's still alive I just love how he shot an electrified arrow to dude and then Stopped him from being able to teleport the cw the cw on mutton shops The cw is like parody levels of tv It's like how do we make it like a deliberately bad one that people could enjoy worse and um And also like for reference, uh, those of you who are watching So i'm watching buffy right now with uh with molla buffy was on like the water the wb Which was the progenitor To the cw as where the w comes from Yeah, exactly. It's uh, it's something it's a combination. I think of our cbs and and warner brothers I think that's the idea. Yeah, i'm saying like cbs and warner bros. Yeah cw. It's just it's just nuts to me That this show originated on the same network considering how good it's gotten by the time we're getting to like season five and six And uh, yeah, when you watch stuff like, uh, infinitisms, it's like, oh my god I forgot what this can be like the barrel Yeah, pretty much, uh, I would be hard pressed to pick something Worse and I know that probably people will be like, oh, they're like b movies that are worse than they're surely and I'd be like I don't know man. Like nothing works in in crisis on internet I feel like even those b movies probably have greater stretches of time where we're like, you know, I mean this mostly makes sense Yeah, it is it is the step above coherent or sorry incoherent necessary for you to Call out things like, oh, that's the character and time is progressing forwards slowly Well, yeah, because we're talking about a show where they're teleported beyond time and space but they're supposed to the dawn of time Oh, yeah, they went to the dawn of time soon and they went to purgatory. Don't forget Yeah purgatory, uh, but not purgatory in purgatory in a specific universe Or do all universes have one purgatory? Well, do you remember like shad their goal is to get Uh, green arrow's soul and hits in purgatory and they go there they find him This is after like two episodes of searching for him And then some dude just turns up and goes no green arrow It's your destiny to become specter and he's like, okay that walks off What? They have to leave without him To some people somewhere in this in this crazy world that makes sense For us maybe with additional candidate would her free. You don't know you don't know Okay, well, I mean did you watch the specter tv show? I don't think so And I love how at the end they just have some again warehouse somewhere in Vancouver and um I actually like Vancouver a lot, by the way I'm just I'm just coming to go the fact that we have the home of the super paragon heroes of the universe Well, I just mean I I like uh I like Vancouver as a city. It looks really cool when they're celebrating like becoming a team at the end. It's like Yeah, and it just means nothing And again, it's just some warehouse somewhere that looks like garbage And they have glued on with like felt They probably said like in a You know one of those assistants. It's like, can you just go down to spotlight and just get some uh You know What what's interesting is that all of their costumes are super cheap like they're actually focusing on hero work And then you look at kate kane who will leave people trapped in an elevator hanging for their life while she While while she pimps She's such a good role model And also like that hair is super impractical, you know, like You should be cutting that off if you want to fight people Tying it tying it up slash down, you know tying it just Why do you think lyra croft has her hair in a ponytail? It's because it's all long it gets in her face and it's gonna like i like how lyra croft makes more sense I have really long hair and It's not loose when I want to do stuff For i'm moving around constantly because it gets in the way it swings around And you know, it's a little bit of a difference in like your you actually have long hair as opposed to Not having long hair but choosing to put it on and as specifically when you're going as crabs put out It's not even her hair like it's not even it's just an impracticality. She's put upon herself Okay Yeah, but you know, you got you gotta you gotta let alice get away with murder and style But alice had long hair She has to be seen as a woman Wham and Remember with her attitude of the show without her without the hair she looked like squidwood or handsome squidwood anyway Yeah, that's what was our thing from the fucking pilot I remember the first episode that those many many years ago when we watched the first episode and we had no idea What we were getting our The bat woman flying off of the balcony. Oh my goodness. We have no idea I don't think we had yeah, we had no idea what we were in for Because we were like this will probably be pretty bad, but we we were just not prepared I don't think we thought that we were going to be watching the whole season and not Yeah, don't don't fret people people think it's over. It's like no, no, no, it's it's coming just between editors right now getting there Yeah, no, it is not over. I am I am hungry for more bat woman Like I am I'm going through bat woman withdrawals Speaking of tv shows, that's my segue mandalorian speaking of bad tv shows Racializer um Yeah, I mean so we had gone through the first five episodes in a lot I love that anyone who wanted the part two to this stream will come to this one Look for the time stamp be like what two and a half hours. They start continuing cool What was the first bit about Um So yeah, I suppose we'll just the format will again be just pointing out things Hopefully in chronological order That screw with the episode that we're currently discussing and then hopefully we can reach some kind of conclusion at the end of all this I guess uh, who would you know this is the episode with bill burr It's the one where they like get a group of people to go on a form of a prison breakout You could call it a heist episode in some way You think it'd be funnier With bill burr in it. Yeah, you didn't like the joke about stormtroopers not being able to aim rags. No, it made me sad I will say I don't think I'll do devil's advocate as much this time around But if there are criticisms, I think aren't fair or fully valid I'll probably just share a counter argument here and very well, but there are more issues to pick apart especially um after this episode in the last two so Um, so this episode had a lot of cool actors in it It really did a lot a lot clancy brown bill burr richard iowaddy Uh, the girl welder number three that one can't go wrong with that And it also had the cameo from uh, all of the directors from the show. Yeah Uh, in that really good scene the really really good scene So, um, I guess I'll just get the ball rolling Uh, he he arrives and the first thing I think it's worth discussing is that it's kind of lucky There's no bounty hunters with any fobs in this station or near it, right? Um, well, that's the thing It's like a port. It's not uh, it's not necessarily Yeah, no, it wouldn't it wouldn't mean that they would have to be bounty hunters here, but there could be But we know that based off the crew that we have that the right kind of people are here Yeah, it's a duplicitous kind of it's not it's not a place for people who are above the law I mean bounty hunters are in accordance with the law, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, sure But I guess um, the whole idea is you kind of expect bounty hunters to be in places where criminals are because those are the people That they're going to be going for yeah, my sense time Well, I mean it's the kind of place that the republic the new republic certainly think is worth just destroying the whole platform Yeah That's my favorite criticism you have to hold off on that one. Okay That's the one that makes me laugh every time I watch this episode I'm trying to get a good shot of it Is it worth posing the defense that I think people would give to that uh, criticism or just I think that um It's it's just a small small like They could be and they could also not be in this area for this episode to progress There needs to not be and there isn't there's like, okay Could there I think there could be a justification for him to be assured that there isn't anyone there with a fob It might be a stretch, but you might be Well, the reason we have to believe that them that against it is the fact that he talks to the guy and the guy is aware of The guild and why mando has been booted out of it. It's like, ooh That information is spread to this post like Gotta be careful Yeah, it's shown that like everyone's got these farms and people will try to Not everyone bounty hunters. Uh, just a lot of people have them. They're not they're not Well, everyone in the guild had one like yeah, those are all bounty hunters, but Everyone in a whole guild all which non bounty hunter. Have we seen with a fob? I Which bounty hunter have we were saying no, no which non bounty hunter have we seen with a fob? I don't think there was one it's I think bounty hunters have I think Like yeah, I want to say everyone I was like just a lot of people we know everyone in the guild has Yeah, yeah, I'm not suggesting that your average citizen just has a fob that has a link to baby Yoda. Yeah Um, good thing. They weren't here. I guess this would be um, I'll hand it over to rags to to help Explain it, but is there anything wrong with bilbers gun holsters ranks? They are they make no fucking sense and they would get in the way and they do they do get in the way of his arms all of the time This isn't one of those like this is a one of those little choke little picky sort of things I guess But it's one of those aspects of you are pulling me away from the realism of this universe because you want to have guns Just strapped to somebody Rip the eye grags. This is not an invalid criticism rip it apart if they get details like that wrong That's like It's an impact is not important to the I don't know guns, but I just doesn't make any sense at all in any way I don't know guns, but I know swords and when they get details I guess Would you put a bunch of daggers under your armpits? Well, they're not even under his armpits. That's gonna say that's probably more practical than what he's got going on here Like just imagine those pistols didn't have the grip and they were daggers Imagine who it's tried when he tries to unsheathe it. It's got to be annoying as hell Well, you could already picture it right like his right arm there would have to Go over he has to stretch out and go over that one. Like it's really awkward He has to do the opposite arms here. I'm actually curious from like a filmmaking perspective how they got those to stick in there And the 95 percent of the scenes we see them where someone isn't removing a gun from them I like the idea that Bill Burr was on set. He's like fucking Well, yeah, because you can see in the scenes in places where his arms are like they stop his arms And they they move around when his arms brush against them And naturally I I think that they did something to secure those inside the holsters except for the scene Where what's her what's his face takes Right and the fact that they had to do that probably should have clued them into not doing this at all, you know This is the shittiest load bearing gear I have ever seen it looks like it's just one of those It's one of those disney star wars things of let's just slap guns on him Just but I don't even think it looks cool, but I guess they're going to the guns He's got four guns for his two arms It does it. Yeah, to me. It just looks awkward It does it looks very awkward. It's stupid. It is instantly something that I looked at and it was like that's dumb why We have that in real life we have like Holsters that you can put on your chest, but they're they're they are in the center of your chest and they're horizontal They're not they like the you know the Nathan Drake holsters the ones that you strap over and then they go sort of by your waist Right, so maybe I'm if you're going to like your side holsters. I'm they they're they don't exactly Generally they're underneath your armpits and you cross Like if you're right-handed, it'll be on your left side and you reach across your chest and pull it out Um, I'll just uh, I'll need to find and if it's on like a plate carrier vest, then it'll be in the center Generally up a little bit higher All right, I was gonna say the whole stormtroopers can't aim We'll save that for episode eight because uh, it's it's worse It's worse than what bill burst says what we get in episode eight. It's so we'll leave it for now All right Before we move on though going back to them knowing about Mandalorians, you know bounty and stuff like that Well, even without them being bounty hunters if they know enough that the guild is after him I would think of our criticism is like It shouldn't it be too hard to figure out why the bounty hunters guild is after him Like he has this important asset that he didn't even if they don't know that's valuable Even if they don't know why but they capture him. They've got they would know he's worth money And Yeah, it's like the guild wouldn't accept them didn't um didn't the target an episode five or six No, she knew specifically that it was about a baby I think so and I because if they know that bit Mandalorian has this really valuable asset Um, you'd think that they would be yeah, it's certainly wanting to find it And as to if they want to capture Mandalorian himself Well, they need his help to free this other guy And so they might still want to hide that fact and then capture him after they get them So I could I could kind of grant that part But as to how they wouldn't know about The situation when it's pretty basic information that bounty hunters go to capture someone Mandalorian is wanted by the bounty hunter guild for not delivering the thing he captured Ergo, what does he have that's so valuable and that what that seems like and if you were if you were to prod that information whatsoever, you'd find out it's an extremely valuable target Oh, yeah, massively. So so that's odd. I definitely will agree there and point that out too Um I guess that's a relevant Super chat My theory is that bur is lying about his military past and he knows nothing about his guns Hence his bad aim and him having holsters in awkward places He's not a bad aim selectively. Yeah, his aim is very good It's kind of like Mandalorian Yeah, he's bad when he needs to be for the plot And also if he was lying about uh military history in some capacity I don't know he seems to have why would you lie about being stormtrooper? He's made the point man. I seriously doubt he would be if he didn't have he hadn't proven himself at this point Yeah, I earned it in some way and the one dude trusts him the The old man. Yeah, the the scruffy looking guy. He likes him guy So can I point something out that's uh, that's uh, like, uh Pet peeve of mine. I'm not sure if it would have come out naturally But at this point do we see Bill Burr's robot arm with the holding the gun come out this early on or is that only in the actual They deliberately obscure it so it can be a surprise for us Okay, because this is my pet peeve. All right. Okay. That would be kind of cool having a mobile turret that can deploy from your back with a Single gun. I'm not criticizing that it might not be useful. I'm criticizing the fact if something like that exists in the Yeah, one of the other people you why isn't anyone else using it? Like this is something that becomes apparent in many parts of this episode Yeah, we've got more of those This is really annoys me in world building when people add something in without properly extrapolating how that would fit in logically Just think about it. If this is this useful, why wouldn't everybody use it? Exactly, you know, you might say cost But but droids are really cheap at sea now and like you build things out of scrap and everything There is so much technology and infrastructure that's gone and rotted away and everything There is so much stuff everywhere. They can build crap out of installers I don't think it would be expensive to get something like that even for a regular person So just do the uh, just do the accident thing from Borderlands 2 or anything where you have the character has built a Or have they custom made or a they have built it themselves It's a little turret. It's a little turret, buddy. It even has a little name Right, they call it or whatever or elvira or shiniqua or whatever they want to call it And they talk to it in this kind of amorous way like it's my buddy robot You know, this is my friend my little turret robot and he sets it out and it he puts it on walls or on ceilings Or he deploys it and it makes a shoe something like that They give it a character to give a little like a little combat unique thing to that person Not just it's an arm that comes out of my back and it holds a pistol like that's kind of actually that's super lame actually um Yeah, and like they could Was it custom that you know But then it's odd because the technology is already in place to allow something like that pretty well And honestly, this is a floor in Star Wars generally that the they don't employ their AI technology in applications That are just bloody obvious when it would be really useful Like they have human targeted gun turrets that someone needs to sit in fire when they could have AI targeted something That is far more you have to you'd have to come up with something as due to the incredible prevalence of Hacking and AI corruption software Um having things be manually operated reduces this risk of that technology being corrupted and used against you or something like that Right where yeah, and that's a good explanation because they talk about that mass effect And one of the the first one like the codex is where like before ships even begin to shoot things at each other It's like two entire hacker battles happening where they try to infect everyone's subsystems and stuff like that um And so it was like all right So our solution for in-universe is to make everything hardwired and man operated Kind of going back to the basics in a sense so that nothing and not everything can be hacked instantly and blowed up So next up and I would answer it well Um, yeah He so the premise of this job is going to require that a droid has full control over security and his ship alone in his ship With baby yoda, and this isn't a deal breaker for mando What we have one in a string of bad decisions that mando makes Where he doesn't seem to care about the kid anymore and it highlights two issues one his Flippant inconsistent care for baby yoda, but two is extremely inconsistent mistrust of droids If anything, I think this is the ultimate one in all of the episodes where he should be putting his foot down and saying No, I don't feel like this is the guy I've come to understand. I feel like this is someone else But he will make deals with assassin droids. He's just met and been shot at by For as the mission's being explained the droid is hacking into his ship and discovering old messages It infuriates me because I'm like Precise and then he the episode ends with the droid almost killing baby yoda And it's just like, oh jeez. This is the kind of stuff that you should have job, man You should have like really big concerns about the potential of this and it actually happens Yeah, this part is very inconsistent. I mean you might be able to justify it with the uh, the droid with, you know quill Doing so much trying to convince that it is safe, but no in this instance Yeah, like there's not much reason at all for mando to be willing to trust this thing And if you had a guy it was like we have to have this robot character in there It has to be a part of the mission and uh, it's gonna have to be the pilot because no one else can pilot like it can I'd be like, okay He will keep uh, he will be on the robot the entire mission in that cockpit watching him And while it's there the whole time kind of and then when when the ship is landed secured the robot He'll say like he won't do the mission unless the robot is going on point with the gun and he'll be behind it because he doesn't trust it And someone else can stay in the cockpit What shattered mentioned earlier with um, quill and the robot reconstructed One would think one would think that after mando goes through this episode and spoilers Figures out that he has been betrayed and that the robot was working against him the whole time And that the robot tried to specifically kill baby yoda and it hacked into his systems You would think that this would be extra cement That would solidify his hate for the droids. Yeah, you would think that after all this happens He would doubly not he'd be like i'm he'd be like i'm right about droids 100% This would be a setback for this should yeah, this should ruin any chance of him trusting quills robot Yeah He's not going to trust him in two episodes The standard thing we we were just talking about I think it was when we were first rewatching the show ready for the first e-fap on this was just that um Why couldn't you made season one about him and the droid getting baby yoda back to the bounty holder and they go on several different, you know Missions together the droid forever desiring to deposit baby yoda But as the season progresses Mando is less and less interested in that You know as they bond and stuff and he realizes that that robot I don't know that there's no really there's a lot that's like a season on its own But they fucking you know, they kill it at the end of the first episode. You're like, oh That's uh, that's a big problem is you could have had a whole season that was just mandalorian going on adventures And we're learning about what he believes His view on the world his methodology his process and then we enter season two With him finding baby yoda like that season ones Season ones climax for me would be the um the droids been helping and saving him throughout the season to work with this bounty And then he has to make the choice to uh, yeah the droids like we give up this bounty. We get the money and Mando's like Mando kills it. Yeah That could be a pretty big moment. He's killed. This is the thing. That's a double payoff He kills the droid to screw himself with the guild But he also doesn't want to kill the droid because he likes the droid which goes against all of his history Yeah, you got it's lots cool Direction to go and and that's what I mean It's kind of impactful in the first episode a little bit as a surprise But it would have been way more impactful from a character perspective had they done the groundwork But they're in such a rush to get through these eight episodes for some reason And that's the thing you can keep all these episodes the same except he has a companion the whole time being the droid And take away titi's voice and the writing you can make it really fun Yeah This show could have been really good as the point that we're trying to make Yeah, we were on it. We were really on its side. We really were Yeah, you can go back to the older e-fabs where we advocate Yeah, yeah I still maintain hope. I think there's enough to work with that. They could I don't have any hope for You know series have come back from rocky starts and stuff and the concept and what they have to work with Is still solid enough that season two could still be actually good The problem is I feel like there's a lot of things that they could have done which they're no longer in a position to do unfortunately Certain character arcs. He could have gone on certain growth That is no longer really viable anymore. That's a problem. I think for me I don't think it's impossible for the next one But I have no confidence Become a tad cynical and I'm trying to remind myself every single time that I say hey the next installment could fix this all up I'm like you said this so many times now. It's never happened Mola Yeah, I mean, you know, we'd have a no Ryza Skywalker could have fixed everything right guys. It's possible, right? The storytelling talent is there. It just isn't there Yeah, I guess the problem is I don't have faith in the team that are making it So he'll the asi said Buffy had two bad seasons. It's like Buffy came out in 1997 This is uh, this is a while ago that we're citing something that got better Not to mention that even if we cited five things that got better I'd be like we're still dealing with hundreds of examples where the reverse happens. That's why I'm cynical. Okay And we just said it's not impossible. Just cynical Unfortunately things do seem to decline in value after they begin After after episode one. Yeah, look what look what Marie concluded from what I said we knew less about storytelling in 1977 What no we didn't that's not that's not at all what I was trying to say You were just you were just referencing that it's I mean for a series to get better after it's begin Yeah, if I if I'll first go to example is something that came out more than 20 years ago I'm like, yeah So I kind of just supports what I'm going on about how I'm cynical about it You think we'd have more experience now with all these terrible examples to learn from but On the hits just keep coming Yeah So the razor crest is a ship the is the name of all the the model or the make of the ship the Mando uses a couple of characters reference it throughout the season. They regularly like oh, that's a razor crest Razor crests are so old that they can't be recognized by the new republic or the empire because they're not in their systems This is ridiculous. It makes it so that they don't turn up on like radars Yeah, this is like cocks not knowing what an el Camino is Well, it's it's it's like the idea of your computer being incompatible with something Because it's older rather than you which does happen, but not it's it's more of like a Do you get what I mean when I when I say like it's weird that you would have technology that is incompatible Because it is older rather than yeah And plus you that's not how that's not how modern Not just don't get it. I didn't realize it had anything to do with knowing the make or model. It was just the Moving What if you make your own custom ship, but it's one of a kind you just do whatever you want And not to mention that people recognize it. They're like, oh, it's that word It's like surely it's on record in some way the first episode in like the pre in like the preamble bit of the first episode Oh, it's a classic I'm trying to remember the exact wording they used to say why they needed the razor crest because It was something to do with the fact that if they used it they would be able to sneak up on the prison ship without being spotted Yeah, they have to because that that's undermined by the fact They have to fly so weirdly to not get spotted and so yeah, they try to Remain in a blind spot, but they still they want to be in the razor crest because it's Identified I think Why You would think that would be something that the That's an odd thing in an officer is another point of contention though Is that they're doing this all after and exiting hyperspace next to the prison ship? How do you not detect an exiting hyperspace like as a ship? Which by the way, I hate they ship docking on your ship. I'm not even like looking to reference cannon I'm literally just talking about like that just seems impossible to not know but you can it's in rogue one They detect hyperspace is opening before it does They're like sir hyperspace is coming out over there and then they look over and then it's a Darth Vader and all of his star destroyers are coming in like stop focusing on canon So, yeah, really tizmy space rules Really and there's an actual dude There's a straight up dude in the ship like could he would he not have cameras detection? It's like, oh Does the ship not shake when you attach your ship to it? Like does the ship not have cameras on the outside so that it can see at all angles if anything's approaching it I mean and what's funny is cloaking does exist in universe and so they could have just said We're gonna come out of hyperspace far enough away So they aren't detected we're gonna attach a cloak to your ship and fly in Well, they could say the reason they're using his ship is that it's a deposit It's like they're not risking one of their ships They're letting him come along and they'll pay him if he can only if he puts his ship up as collateral Like it could be the thing. Yeah, all they all they have to do is in case you get caught and they identify the ship We don't want that coming back to us So he had to say it's super simple, but fuck it um So if you remember zero goes into the ship He tampers with it for a bit He discovers the the flickers of message that he'll eventually try to hack the full thing out of And mando is like nah, it's not happening and then he's like I have better responses and reaction time to you I'm I'm doing it Initial thing. I was just like why would that convince mando? He knows robots will have better reaction time than humans. That's just like Yeah common sense like what? But like apparently that's enough. It's like, oh all right then Uh, that comes back to a point we're making earlier, but yeah, uh further more Uh, zero is like why are we using this ship? And he highlights like it's not very good in certain ways and then the old dude says he explains the benefits of it And it just confuses me. This is all a ruse. They already know that they're all doing this to screw over mando This is the thing that is a big secret. So why would zero even question why they're using his ship? Like But the ship has specific things they needed like to do in this mission like why wouldn't zero know that he's the pilot Is this is a little bit too late to ask this question Yeah, it could be a ruse. It's not a good defense that the robot is doing to convince mandalorian that you know But like what's the point? He wasn't even questioning it. You know Clearly so far. He wasn't even questioning it. He was already here Well, I just assumed it was it was just to give an opportunity to explain to the audience why they're using his ship Oh, well, I mean, then we know that's why they did it. Yeah Random thing. I do like the design of his ship. I think it's a very I think it looks awesome. I am okay with it. Yes I think it looks really cool Um, yeah, there's a there's a line. I just want to make sure we remember bill burr says mandaloreans are the greatest warriors in the galaxy This is as good as it gets guys Yeah, whoof mando I'll yeah, they definitely won't get massacred by stormtroopers Well, it does annoy me that everyone's forgotten the jedi so much. I mean Yeah, that's that's that's a hey, we gotta wait until episode seven and eight for that floor Yeah, we're getting there. But what about the faction that basically What about that faction in that war that I was alive to witness? Who was fighting against the droids again? I don't remember no one told me So, um, if if we're to believe that this ship is really the one ship they needed because of uh That's the way it works with this blind spot and all that stuff. It's like damn. It's lucky. He had this ship then Otherwise you wouldn't be able to do this mission Like if you confuse where the convenience is so it's he needs money he contacts them They happen to be doing a mission that requires this ship requires his ship. Yeah And uh, that's the only way he could have gotten in he they wouldn't have let him on this mission If not for that apparently it's just like oh damn, but they needed his ship for the mission anyway That they had already planned So it's almost like they planned the mission knowing that he would join it Um, they the droid like engages hyperdrive and he's like just fiddling with stuff or whatever And uh, the it turns to mando and it's just like everything is functioning fine You can go down and then he just does it's like what yeah, he should not be leaving that guy's side at all Well, it's it doesn't work either way He shouldn't be leaving baby yoda at the potential peril of all of these people downstairs But he also shouldn't be leaving the droid in his cockpit. You know, it's just like you can't It shouldn't be happening this way You're not very competent bounty hunter is he? I love how Like we brought this up in that first episode, but satan just manages to open his weapon cache by pressing a button It's like mando. You need better security to do this. Yeah The second time someone has done it by accident. Yeah It's tough. Those things should be designed to prevent entry from someone getting into it on purpose Why aren't they locked? You know, why isn't there a lock function? Yeah, you think that after the first episode he'd be like, oh someone's like fiddling It's not even because you'd have some kind of an argument if it was like a switch to open it You'd be like, why does he have a switch to open it? But no, it's literally satan's fucking around and it opens up He's like, oh Oh, whoops. Oh, it's funny. Just that star wars girl was like, what about it seems like she's like, what about baby yoda? You know, I love baby yoda too and I like mandalorian as well. Um, there are a lot of problems. Okay, but Baby yoda is nifty and all but like that's not the plot like this I like baby yoda too. I'll say Inordinately more than a lot of other things and that's why I think I like Um, uh mandalorian overall, there are things that I'm enjoying disproportionately That's it that I'm probably subjectively enjoying far more than the problems in the plot and and stuff And yeah, but there are some very significant problems The problem for me, I guess and the reason why it bugs me so much is I was ready to like this space bounty hunters It's like and star wars. I love space bounty hunters and bias in favor of the star wars world I really like it. They haven't killed that for me yet. They should have but just frustrates me though That like the most successful space bounty hunter thing isn't metroid. It isn't prey too It's this show this really badly written show is frustrates me to no end um So, uh, I should probably too by the way We're extremely lucky that none of them have any idea What is baby yoda nor the we kind of went over this earlier, but just So fucking risky the idea that they see this creature like who knows what kind of information any of these could have a mando is just He accidentally opens baby yoda's cabinet as well Presses a button Well, I mean we already knew it wasn't locked because baby yoda's escaped that thing before and he does in this episode as well I did it more size sleep. That's right. This is where I mean mando is such an irresponsible dad I I pulled up my notes. I forgot we had notes about this. Um, my first tiki thingy is The merc friend says that mando is welcome back any time, but then he only says he let him in because of his ship He's welcome to come here, but he's not welcome to be on jobs unless he has a ship There you go rags. I fixed it. Yeah, and we were And I guess this will pop up later. It's certainly probably will but i'll just say here. What skill does knife girl provide? They know the ship's full of droids. Why would you bring someone? Well, yeah Vibro daggers in this in this series and I guess the problem is um, even then How is a vibro dagger better than a blaster? I got yeah No, I'm not saying it is but they are still you can cut, you know through metal and stuff with them And so they she can kill droids with them or if I actually I'm not sure She has vibro daggers. I don't think you kill already actually you his vibro dagger against the droids in this episode. I'm pretty sure Uh Maybe like in the corridor fights. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I think he has something in his left hand. That's like a knife. I think Like the the the vibro dagger seems like one of those Like it's one of those things where if you're using it then something has gone horribly wrong You know, this isn't the same as a lightsaber because most of the time lightsabers are wielded by jedi as well Which accentuate the use of a lightsaber not just on its own But even if you were like do you want to blaster a lightsaber in our corridor fight with robots? I'd be like probably a blaster Yeah, I'm Unless I can throw the lights Yeah, throw all of your daggers She goes collects them remember she collects them from the guy she throws it in Oh easy And yeah, they do have blue lights on them. So I assume the show is trying to say these daggers are super daggers space daggers I like this comment. She hisses at people. That's her character She's I'll admit like I'm happy for bilbir's character to come back. Hopefully do something more with him. I'm okay with satan. He was fine But she was annoying Yeah, she was She added nothing. She was just dead weight annoying Um That's that's the yeah, it's just in I guess just an extension of that criticism was that it's insane that Baby Yoda's freely able to get out of that compartment and he leaves him alone with a droid on that ship It just blows my mind and how do they not recognize exactly what it is? Um You got some space for them to be like, well, what a weird alien you have to look after how weird But I'd just be like the boss knows about it Surely the boss only knows that he has trouble with the guild rags. Nothing more No, I don't I don't So that's Sharing the context that the daggers are more effective against um droids than blasters if it's in the games Then I not that sounds like a gameplay mechanic where melee's are when it kills and things It's a way to probably balance it out, right? So the melee has a point I I'll I'll be skeptical with that Like no, I couldn't see the point that vibre daggers can cut through durastil better than blasters can Well, wouldn't you could be curious at that point that wouldn't just have a gun that fires bullets that has whatever benefit vibre blades has? Yeah They have ballistic weapons in star wars universe. I'm pretty sure hang on In official canon now Oh That's right. No, the sand people use What I mean is I remember that uh in republic commando, there was uh Symbolized oceans apparently it's uh in the books as well the uh the vibrator thing. So yeah Uh, yeah, that's fair enough. Just um, I don't really understand why I would ever use one in the star wars You have to get up to them in melee Well, she throws him So if you have The sixth bad guy pops up Up behind him and he uses a dagger against the droids in the fight scene After he gets shot like six times, which was which was a really bad way to do it He was behind them and all they take is one headshot to kill. We find that out later. So He's kind of an idiot This is the realization you have one really watching the whole series Absolutely, absolutely, that's the reason I cannot take him out by myself with my vibre dagger He does the cool guy doesn't look at himself being stupid. That's what he does Cool guy. He's cool. It's cool. It's a cool scene Anyway, um So, uh, when they get there zero announces that he's disabling onboard surveillance I was like Um, probably should have done that before well not even just that I was just like this surely presents issues So you got human man in control room And uh, we're gonna give this maximum benefit of the doubt. Okay when he says disabling onboard surveillance He means he's looping all of the cameras to convince the guy in the control room that nothing is amiss Um Well, it's frozen or whatever, right? It's like it's there is there they did something I remember us noticing that there was effort like they're flickering as if to show like a shot It's like every few seconds the background flickers as if to say they're repeating But the problem is on all of these shots in his control room There's no droids and it's like wouldn't you wonder why it is that you haven't found a single droid in any of your cameras for so long Like how strange kind of like um, I think You know, there are so many times when you should have figured out, uh Figure it out like that there was something wrong I mean It's risky as hell and we're just gonna have to assume that He's lucky. He didn't notice you like okay But then it gets really hard to justify this stuff when the mouse droid is destroyed when the other droids are destroyed It's like how isn't everything alerted now Wouldn't you detect your your units getting blown up and stuff? Because I know as a gun went off in a prison everybody would know about Yeah And and but wasn't there a scene where you could see that uh, the robot in the ship was tracking all of the droids If he can do that surely the guy in the ship can do that And he would notice when they're getting disabled as well, right? I'm sorry say that again You know how uh in in the Like in the ship the robot uh can see Where all of the the the droids are it's like he's got a um, you know, oh, yeah, like a gps tracking thing tracker sort of thing um, and My immediate thought is like okay So the guy in the ship who is the guard has one of these two, right? He should know where they all are surely I would imagine so I would imagine that you get a little cross mark on any unit that gets destroyed So the rebels have that with the spaceships in the battles. Yeah, I mean, that's exactly there's no reason He wouldn't know that there are robots being destroyed Like the whole which means it's all over because he would alert the republic But for some reason he he chooses not to tell he chooses not to alert them and die instead So he has a like a um, little handheld alert thingy. Yes It's odd that that there wouldn't be a button that he could just press on the console that would also do It should be uh, it should yeah, it's all that the robots can't do it upon being assaulted All tree, holy above What does it mean like most people love this episode like I find it very contentious to enjoy this because it's like Why does anything work this way? super um like logistically it's so weak and It hurts my head You know, this one really hurts my head Yeah, bilber is like really bad at shooting in that corridor scene and then you later is amazing at it. It's very weird Um, the the assumption is automatically that he's bad at it in this moment so that mando can have his moment killing them all Yeah, he was Well, see and this this is another issue I take with this right mando is on his own throughout that whole fight They just watch him. I think they're even like kind of smart snirking and then when it's over bilber is like Good job cleaning up your mess And like I just had loads of question marks around my head like what? He just saved all of your lives and this should be very red flag-ish for mando You should be like wow you guys would totally have let me died there, wouldn't you? Hmm Yeah, um, I mean after especially after satan man shoots the mouse droid for no reason Yeah, that was also started. Yeah, that's um What did those mouse droids do That will have no this is the thing we're just I assume the only function they could even have is to making sure everything is normal Right, they just go around this if they detect anything out of usual they could report it Mobile sentries in a way. Yeah, like I don't I haven't read any lore books I just assume there's the why else like if they don't serve any purpose and why are they there? Like I have one satan guy just shoots him for no reason That alerts the other robots to cut which should this should be the end of the mission This should be you have shot the enemy sentry the whole ship is now on a high alert for you It is going to be nothing but gunfights and tight corridors But it's it's super contrived that it a lot of people saying they're cleaning droids Uh-huh It's funny in in episode one it's like they were Showing the stormtroopers where to go that they were like guide. Oh, yeah. Yeah Um, that was like my impression of them in the earlier movies The mass droid is used for a source of communication Um, yeah Well either way shooting it was a bad move because it alerts all the other droids But that just makes you wonder why isn't it alerting the control room man who presses the button immediately all that other stuff like, um Yes, it's it's fine. Um really confusing throwaway line from zero. He says I am redirecting the alert away from your position It's like so you're Making it so that isn't a lot Yeah, I was gonna say so for what we know that means the the control guy should be aware He has no reason not to press the back up button Secondly, uh, you're making it so that the security droids are all gonna run to a different area of the ship where they think something's happening Right, that's what that means Yeah, so why has he locked out the control panel man from being able to do anything about that And if you say yes, you'd be wrong because mando locks out zero from the control panel later in the episode Whenever we need to happen at any given time this will be everything just happens the way they do to happen. Uh Okay, so It baffles me that they all leave the rifles from the droids that mando defeated When uh, satan It's like satan has two pistols, but why not just pick up a rifle? She doesn't even have a rifle. She could save her knives by having a right And the armor of the droids is resistant to the blaster fire, but they can get killed by their own rifles So why the fuck they don't take the rifles with me? Is a stupid amateurish idiotic decision Like what happens with the next group? You just gonna hope mando saves you again And also if if their armor is resistant to blasters Probably be a good idea to put the cpu's of the robots inside of the torso instead of the head Which can be destroyed by blasters Pretty stupid actually This is what makes me wonder again If the new fledgling rebellion or the new republic has the money to throw around to give blaster proof armor to robots guarding prisoners How come everyone doesn't wear arm? How could nobody wear his armor? How come jet? I don't wear it Question that's that's one of the pet peeves I've had like if you can make effective army out of something so readily available as jurisdiction Which they seemingly use to make everything Yeah, why the hell isn't anyone remember IG 88 takes like a shit ton of blasts to its chest and they just block it Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Why why aren't why isn't everything built with this? So why don't stormtroopers use this armor? Why don't everybody good questions very good question. It's nuts But yeah, they they clearly The the all the droids are the security droids clearly have rifles that will destroy security droids They do not take them. They just leave them on the ground Insanely stupid and makes me think these people are amateurs because if that was me And if I had any training and if I wanted to live I would be like, oh, this is clearly a better weapon for the scenario I'm taking one So chat is saying that mouse droids are used for delivery and maintenance purposes What could they deliver it wouldn't it wouldn't it wouldn't matter We're specifically just talking about whether or not they deliver and they do in this categorically. So we know they do Or at least they do in this The mouse droid could have been replaced by any other kind of robot really I'm still like I maintain their crap delivery droids because I agree. What can they carry like delivery? They're dragging along like a well, maybe they'll drag along a small mcdonald's meal Maybe there's a lot of space torque in those little mouse droids and they can pull a big old Floating platform that floats. Fuck never mind You think that you just have like robot shelves moving around but What was control man doing before they got in there? He's just sitting down like Oh, no, they got in. It's like, could you lock down the control room? It's gotta be something for that. It could have had a small scene where he was like, I don't know Watching questionable things Like distracting himself, you know, he's sprinting at the monitor He was he was looking at me. I haven't seen a security droid in five minutes He was watching a movie and he was asleep or something and he just hasn't been paying attention The fact that he doesn't immediately fire on them as soon as the door opens He's got the jump on them by the way somehow because they didn't think he would be here I don't know why they wouldn't know. I don't see how that wouldn't be information They would have at this point with the fully hacking into everything, you know Listen, it's not established in star wars that you could scan for life forms at a distance But also you would expect that even if it wasn't a person you'd expect robots or some pilot Remember Mando can like scan shit through walls and he just never uses it Yeah, well, that's because he doesn't have a special gun with him Oh He's decided not to take that insanely valuable piece of technology with him Scope is detachable and his helmet does this shit as well, but okay Yeah Just on the matter of the guns What if the guns are only imprinted to be able to be used by the droids from an identification chip or some bullcrap? I don't know that that could answer that Um, doesn't Mando use it on the droid in this episode? Yeah, Mando uses on the droid. That's how they know it. Oh, well, there you go That's Even in the even in the prequels They can take the droids off of the battle droids and use them Take the arms off gun. Sorry. They could take the guns the the blasters off the battle droids and you Uh, can't just a well-booting would be nice with yeah So, yeah, it's just um, I guess I'm trying to just find the next I've got a note here that was just like why didn't they shoot him when he faces their back to them I'm trying to find where that happens But I think they start circling him and he's only aiming at one person and it's just like damn you kind of just screwed now Someone's just gonna have to hit you the back of the head. You're done Yeah, like they're Like I get the I It's weird like I can see Obviously if they wanted to kill him easily they'd have no problem at all I guess Mando is the only one who doesn't want to shoot Yeah, I guess they're worried that if they shoot him like he'll His finger will fall on the button or when he falls the button will get pressed Well, no, so right so scenario they're all surrounding him. They're all laughing because he's he's fucked He puts his gun on Mando someone that these guys don't even care if he dies and billbear's behind him Who wears armor? Well, not only does Mando wear armor. They don't care if he dies So like this guy is like I'm gonna shoot Mando potentially if you attack me billbear's behind him It's like just attack him. He's done. It's over But he's like no I will screw with him and the funny thing is like billbear comes across as very confident in this scene Like uh, this is this guy's not getting out of here. We're we're good. He pulls out that little device The billbear's like hey, fuck you It's just like oh, all right Now we're out of control All they have to say it's so we're all they have to say is if you press that button We have no reason to keep you alive anymore. Just keep that in mind Well, that's which is why this drama sucks because that's the assumed scenario here It's a standoff you shoot me this button gets pushed But if I push this button, you will shoot me standoff and then they're all arguing about what to do And uh stupid lady just kills him and he pushes the button. It's like congratulations. That was the whole point of this standoff You just ended it. That's the only person. That's the only thing that she does kills Is the guy which fucks up the whole mission. Well, you say that like she doesn't do anything else in this episode She does some laughing and weird faces He she does his She's a hesser. I just want to say while we froze on the the uh, you know Republican guy that guy so two things Yeah, look, I like that is wearing the same helmet as we're kind of what we saw in episode one But the second thing is that is like the most un most impractical helmet design of ever see a very silly helmet What if you have to look at this computer monitor that's above you which there are plenty of from his seated position It looks like a really shitty It's a crap helmet design. It looks like a shitty salad I'm surprised he's gone at all. Like you think he wouldn't even have it on most of the time of the controller Sorry I was like that looks like a shitty hat with the chin strap on it. I'm like I'm not wearing that Like what what is it supposed to do? He was wearing that before anyone even came in. Yeah Like you're alone on this mission Transporting prisoners. It's probably just it's probably statistically one of the safest jobs that there is you're just like If I was writing this like that device would have been pulled out immediately Not like halfway through the standoff. It doesn't even make sense. It's just like by the way guys I have this device. You're like what oh Let's remember he should have pressed the button ages ago For several reasons, but he's just now not only having not pressed it. He is now pulling it out um Yeah, and it's funny as well because mando's like calm down put the guns down No one's gonna die You're gonna get it out of this fine daven because he knows his name Hasn't tell him and the billboard just goes no, he won't it's like Why would you say that? I feel like that was the exact wrong thing to say They're pretty much the worst possible thing that could have been said to a guy um And i'm sick of seeing blasters that don't have sights on them. Like how do you shoot it? This bugs me you hope It explains why stormtroopers suck Aiming from the hip, okay This is what bugs me about like bill burst character too is like you have two Blasters, you're not aiming down the sights of them. You don't have any Uh any like heads up display that is telling you where the blasters are pointed a like from halo or anything you're just like guessing But hang on can't people shoot instinctively even with handguns very short You can but short You don't you it's almost like you point with it. You don't aim with it. But yeah, when you when you go and Um, like when I took my console carry classes, that was one of the things they had us do Was don't look down the sights just like point and shoot um But it only works for really short distances Well handguns aren't particularly accurate a long distances anyway, I have it. Well, I mean if it's the difference so first off You you could get pretty good with them, especially if your weapon is pistols But you are going to be insanely more accurate using sights than just pointing at things Yeah, like it's not even close Like if you if you want to hit anything with a pistol you're unless it's like Like we're talking right in front of you. You could maybe point at it Like if it's right in front of you But if you want to hit anything with a pistol, you're going to be using your sights But this gun here he has it clearly has no front sight and that just fucking bugs me it takes me out of the universe That's the shit that I Um, well, I'm the same with sword. So I can't I can't um, you know These are just like I'm listing what I what I have in terms of notes So if anyone else wants to say anything chronologically go for it, but I was going to skip ahead now to Apparently you can just pull the arm off a droid Well, he pulls the head off of the other one with a wire, you know, I would I can believe the wire more Yeah, I'd like to know how physically strong Mandalorian is because like they actually show that what caradune is like has some measure of superhuman strength from some type of enhancement Um, and then Mandalorian is actually going toe-to-toe with her in armor. So if she laid the beat down on what are you? I thought like Isn't she just a shock trooper Really, I thought it was implied like quill said something that you know, like Like when he was saying no, um Yoda isn't being genetically enhanced, but then he looks at caradune. He's like you you look like you've come out of some kind of I know some farm or something like that. I thought that was But I thought that was implying that she might have some type of genetic enhancement Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was getting I never got that impression. I just figured she was a strong man I was assuming just from what she had shown like, you know one punch knocking Mandalorian Feet head first down that that was a superhuman feat and so I was just kind of take her actually has superhuman Some type of enhanced strength No, um plus this is This is a robot that is no doubt built for purpose to the point where they have plated it unless he has armor Very high superhuman strength. He shouldn't be out of rip it out, which he doesn't I don't think the show is established. He has superhuman strength Pedantic here, but I don't think that blast could actually fit through where he pulls it Because one shot he's got half of it through and the next shot is fully through I think it's because the handle and the the back part of the pistol wouldn't have fit through that hole At least from what I could they just cut to it being further, right? I was like, uh, sneaky I'm just saying maybe not maybe whatever. I'll let that one go Yeah, just give it a good pull and the arm comes right off and uh, obviously escapes and and it's uh, so let's just get everything straight here because uh, This is an extreme contrivance to the maximum degree. You got this ship But there's even position even holes in the door period. Yeah, that's actually pretty useful insanely insanely stupid Well, I don't um prison bars have like gaps in between so I think that in a spaceship like this. Yeah, but these are clearly designed Like what they're they're circular and they clearly have their and they're not windows. They're not view They are open holes But for us, we just make a bunch of bars to keep them in I mean, do you think it would clearly be better to have it be completely closed up where they can't Spit or throw anything through or reach and grab you Like that it would obviously I'm thinking I'm trying to think of pros and cons. I think I Yeah, because if um oxygen was ever decompressed in the hallway It'll be useful to be able to seal off the doors to keep air in the prison cells. So yeah, um It it appears to be a design decision Whereas prison bars that we have are clearly one of practicality And mass producing iron bars and stuff just for for like production purposes. These are clearly designed with the holes Um either. Well, I was more going for right so think of uh a map the whole map of the prison You've got position a is where their ship arrives position b is the control room Position c is this prison cell They drop him in this prison cell and then all they have to do is go back to position a And for the entire rest of the episode they managed to not make it there until He's not only luckily had a droid walk past destroy it and take its key to get out He's gone to the control room. He locks out a zero He puts the whole place in lockdown so that all doors start closing except for a pathway to the exit And he manages to fight and kill or fight and capture all of the enemies except the guy who got out of the prison cell And he catches up with him the moment. He reaches position a That timeline makes no sense at all I'm sorry it's slight tangent and the still that you have on the um, um The stream is that scope on backwards? Uh, I think that's just a I think I I Could just be a design choice It's a space scope. Yeah Yeah, I'm gonna look at it, but I think they just they just took the scope and they flipped it around because space That makes it look cooler You know like this looks cooler. It's like no that looks wrong. That's not how no Well, I don't know. They could have they could make scopes differently in star wars. Yeah. No, I don't mind I don't really care what I highlighted was way worse and I was gonna have forgotten about it I know It doesn't make sense, but look at reverse it. Do you did everybody hear what I said, though? Please say it again because it was all about timeline and stuff How can how is he strong enough to rip the arm off of one of these things? I know it's Fuck you rags. He didn't listen to any of it. Yes. I did. I did listen to it What did you say? I heard what I said about the convenience of You know, I was I was honestly and sincerely trying to but rags just distracted me and you know, it's all rare to get a scope I just all erased it from my memory. I'm sorry. I can't I like it's all rags Okay. All right. Here goes again. So Think of the whole prison ship mapped out Position a is where the ship lands and everyone gets out Position b is the control room position c is this prison cell Our villains lock mando in position c and they head to position a somehow Purple man manages to only get to position a after mando has Defeated a droid that happened pie, which is very fucking lucky to have done it so quickly Uh gotten a key gotten out gotten to the control room locked out zero locked down the rooms So that people can't escape unless they're going directly to point a which is precisely where all of our heroes Villains want to do and then mando knocks out each of them one by one In specific fights with satan actually having a decently long brawl And in this time he then manages to get to point a at the same time that purple alien man does Did purple alien man know where it was going? He was with bill burr was with him. So there's no reason why he wouldn't have directed him Otherwise, all we have is he must have been lost It's like, okay The time in this episode is very odd especially because the button was pressed theoretically like two minutes before they got to this prison cell and it was a 10 minute limit and it's like actually Almost I think like 18 minutes in episode time until the republic show up and we're obviously seeing a montage We're not seeing the actual in real time So that's just borked as well because they say 10 as far as I remember It's very very bad structure Yeah, they're playing they're playing fast and loose without time functions. They just don't want you to think about it um Yeah, oh also lucky the Mando was even having access to a dry wind wouldn't zero just shut down all the droids at this point Especially if there's no one in the control room Does he have he has the power to shut down all the droids? Can he do that? Well, I don't why would they why wouldn't the person who's in control of the whole ship not have the ability to do something with the droids For example directing them away from the prison cell. They're trying to get to All right, maybe that's behind several layers more of you know, maybe like Didn't you already do it? He theoretically said he's he's gonna set the alert somewhere else Couldn't he can at least distract droids, but honestly why he wouldn't have absolute power once they got rid of the control room guy You would think that all the droids would be hooked up to the ship's signal or there would be some control unit Like the battle droids for instance I would just assume that they have some kind of overriding power that can actually shut down the droids in case something goes wrong Yeah, that seems like a Really obvious safety security sort of thing just in case they need to shut the droids down They can do it so you don't have killer droids on the loose And of course, I don't see how Mando can lock out zero I He just does and it's like, okay because Mando's competence level is directly Correlating with what he needs to do at any given moment Why does zero try to do nothing to help the entire team when everything is dependent on getting this bounty instead? He goes on a baby hunting mission Because he has to kill that baby. Why and that leaves me to my next question Why does he want to kill the baby so much because he's a bad robot man and he kills the baby He's a killer baby robot. It's just like he likes to kill babies baby killer. It's so weird This is like he just randomly forgets everything he's supposed to do in this episode to go hunt a baby Okay, give me a second. I gotta use a little bit right back Have fun don't fall in That was my contribution Yeah, I just don't get why everybody wasn't rushing to the exit because uh, they're concerned with defeating Mando and it's like You realize if you leave with your his ship, he's defeated Yep Oh, yeah, this is true Oh, look a baby Yoda It's just funny that Mando has control over locking up the ship as well And he doesn't lock the ability to get to his ship if you don't have it Yeah, sorry. I'm getting shocked. You have baby Yoda on the screen. It's okay. Yeah, this is the thing I'm trying to I'm trying to get all these criticisms out. This episode is really bad um It's amazing how much baby Yoda can like redeem it It's like it's a crap episode. It's a quick throw baby Yoda's kid. Oh Um, why does a bill berth think he could take on Mando like what in the world makes him think that's a possibility Considering he has the best car armor as well Yeah, the armor should make him pause, but you know the arrogant people that thinks he could take him Yeah, I guess that one's not beyond Reason for me. I just when you're given the option of You've got the point of the job, which means you'll get paid You'll probably get paid more potentially because the shares are going to go down based on all the other people That didn't make it to the ship like bill berth and people dude seem to they got separated Um and your choice is go and hunt Mando for extra money While the republic are on their way and they're going to be here in like five minutes or leave with your bounty and guarantee safety and also guarantee the condemnation of uh Mando like he's gonna get captured by the republic. So Not bad. Yeah, also satan like picks up his fucking communicator and it makes noises and he just throws it It's so weird. I don't even know why this scene is in this because there's no point where If only he had communication something would have happened. So I just see this is just like a weird like, oh annoying noises Okay I get it because he's an angry satan, but Uh It's curious how baby yoda evades the droid I guess because like he's like he's afraid of and recognizes it as a threat. It's like how how would he just it's just a droid looking around What point are we on? um Satan threw his communicator away because it made funny noises Oh Like he like how he shot that mouse droid Yeah, he's this consistent. He makes weird decisions I think we could make an argument that the horn guy is mentally disabled in some way. All right Carry him around with the muscle Maybe I I guess but I feel like why can't the robot do that? I feel like a robot would be there for muscle Probably What each of these people bring to the table muscles not even that relevant to this mission is it? No, true like he was carrying things that are on the um station, but in the mission itself things that we don't see again Okay Um, just so you know about baby yoda. Why would he be hiding? You know, I think it would be cool if baby yoda is actually far more I guess, um mentally developed He would have to be because for some reason baby yoda is cool with good guys and he's not cool with bad guys And it's like how does baby yoda know the difference? It's like he just does of course. It's a feeling I still reckon it would have been fun I think it's been it's been it's been too far to be able to play on it now that later in the series baby yoda It was like just comes out and starts speaking to man. It's like, yeah, we're in a bit of a tough spot Yeah, I've been testing you this whole time homie. You've done pretty good. I'll say that I thought it would have been great inconsistent parent You know how many times they nearly got me how many times they got me How would you sleep at night if you knew that I was I would have died if not for the force you asked How many times I had to say to myself this you know so far Like why the fuck did you take me on the mudboard behind you? Yeah, it's like you are not So, uh, satan just goes back to the control room, I guess because he he figures mando might be there. I don't know He just goes there and um, unfortunately for him mando is waiting for him and shoots him in the back of the head with his gun killing him instantly Oh, wait, that doesn't happen. Does it someone else happens? All right, I had a dream where I was watching the show Have a better one of those infinite universes where the show is good Oh Fucking buffoon mando attempts to hang this man From above him by shooting his thing through I just it just I remember every time I see it I'm just like what in the world was your why you have a gun like 17 different ways. This is Ridiculously stupid just pulls it right through How do you shoot the grappling hook through the grates and get it to wrap around his neck? That's an impressive shot, but why are you trying to achieve this grappling hook? He's good with the grappling hook. He's so good. He can manipulate the grappling hook to change directions Better. Yeah, I it is bizarre that he just doesn't shoot him and then he immediately uses his hyper special worthwhile ammo Which don't kill this guy for some reason they all miss they don't just instantly kill this guy They all miss even though aren't they like don't they auto track to home? Yeah, they they they the home didn't on the last time he used those so it doesn't matter if he can't aim them He doesn't need to yeah bizarre like but uh, yeah Then there's this really weird moment. I'm trying to let me I'll get it up so I don't copyright myself I just want to get to it. Yeah, so look at this shot Mando is pulled but that end to his pistol looks a bit wonky, but whatever He pulls both of his pistols onto the head of satan and he doesn't fire. In fact, he doesn't even have his finger on the trigger Well, he wants to make sure that he's got his he's it's safe. That's gun safety Finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire but but right But he doesn't really want to kill him, but he wants to Look at this shot. It's like oh, he's dead, but this is like now he pushes him down. It's like, oh, okay I got nothing Yeah, they do they do show the shots firing. It's just that uh, it's too late at that point It's pretty indefensible this sequence um Yeah, one of my notes just says why the fuck did Mando try to hang satan? I don't know like what what are you supposed to make of this? It's just such a weird Uh That tries to burn satan but um It's weird that the way he finishes him off with the blast doors like he survived that it managed to chop off his horns But he survived it. It's like, yeah, that didn't crush his head I don't understand the logistics of how it could even not have killed him His head was where the the doors closed. It had to be I just don't know that there's enough space for him to Simultaneously exist with the blast doors That's what yeah, I'm trying to like find where the where is the shot of that? Oh, yeah, here we go. It's so odd The way he's got he's like got his head as well. You'd think that um Yeah, he's just fucked that's gonna try if if those doors can close He's dead Oh, you know, I need to get the shot Yeah, see he's dead. He's definitely dead. Look at how close the doors are to the other doors There would need to be 20 centimeters of space for that to for him to be alive It's the width of his head. Do you think that maybe they They filmed it in such a way that all of these characters could have died But they committed to keeping them alive because they realized that Yeah, do we hang on do we actually see the doors? Well, by the way, one of his orange Yeah, like if it manages to chop off those horns that means his head is gone His head has been sliced mortal combat style He's squished. It's been smushed. Not only his head Not only his head, but his torso because your torso kind of sticks out a bit He's standing up straight. He's got he's got a bit of a gut. So that shot doesn't work. He's he's sliced it off That head should have popped like a gripe Oh, yeah, so next up is bill verges like shows that he's actually really skilled Oh, did he decide to do that this time? Yeah, he just decided it here we go. He goes boom boom boom boom and watch this, right? So one droid i'm a i'm a 30 21 one droid has just realized the bilba exists. It's like, whoa bilba one shot to the head and it's down Like guys you made these things look partially threatening before but if it's that easy like Geez, why didn't he do that before? Yeah, the inconsistency of how protective the plating on droids and arm in general Is it not like I If they want to say that a head shot will destroy it like because it's got it's weaker there for some inexplicable reason For which is already its own problem. But if we grant that idiotic design flaw then Like why didn't they just shoot it all in the head before? Because they were aiming for the body, but they clearly missed and those other ones which is weird It's a really funny thing that while satan fight is happening Um There's i'm gonna cover it up so you know when it first happens But basically there's there's those are grunting and noises obviously And uh, there's a shot where alien girl can hear them grunting like Implication being that there's several meters away. She starts running toward the noise. We continue with the fight And by the time the fight is over which takes a while by the way. She's just not caught up She doesn't know where they are. It's like, how did you hear them? What And you you could argue like no, maybe it's coming through his communication device like no he threw that away First she thought it was an attack and she ran then she realized. Oh, no They're just having very familiar relations and they decide to leave them to it It makes total sense. He's in the middle of a fight and she's He's thrown across the floor and it's like, oh my god. Will mando make it? And then So She hears it and she's like, oh my god, but yeah, we don't see her again until mando has his one-on-one with her anyway um Well, I mean, we don't know how this horn guy mates. Do we so Uh I like the mando Mattages to literally disappear while approaching bill burr Yeah It's like in between the flashes. He legitimately disappears. It's like oh, it's so cool. It's like Nonsense. You can't actually do that and um I don't know. I don't know what why Like it's just what could you possibly answer in terms of how that's even happening like he's Disappearing why not just have him walking towards him and he's just less visible in the dark instead of having him Legitimately disappear even when there's light like he physically isn't there anymore He disappears He harry potters himself away Uh Um, yeah zero just doesn't shoot the gun when aiming at yoda He like aims for a good few seconds and it's like why He's like a droid wouldn't he be pretty definitive about this? Like I'm hunting this baby. I'm going to shoot it instead He aims his gun for a decent chunk of time because he's like, I'm not sure about it yet He's like what what is I just don't get any of this. Well, why why any of it? Is it just to make us go? Oh my god, baby Yoda don't die Like yeah, it's hard to Figure it out, but maybe it was just for the suspense to like someone protect baby Yoda How does um, I guess I was watching that bilber thing again with disappearing mando man How does mando get the door to open? If he's behind bilber I maybe put it on an auto release From the control room within one minute. He was like set it to release in one minute to distract bilber Wow, and bilber was right there in front of it when it yeah, man lift it up I mean mando is incredibly competent. You probably didn't know that Wow, I I didn't. Uh, wow, that's crazy. Good thing that door opened. I guess Um, all right And yeah, lucky mando turned up when he did because that was literally any longer and baby ought to be dead Uh-oh, now mando was really waiting for that dramatic Literally a couple more seconds. It's just you know, it'd be the curb. You're enthusiastic music I mean you think I would He was crawling up the ladder Or something. Oh, yeah, I'm surprised that zero didn't hear That or recognize that he's a droid. You'd think he'd be like, oh something's coming up Yeah, my sensors are clearly not to mention hearing the discussion between mando and purple alien man. You'd think But no Um So and then of course lucky the republic don't turn up at any point until is preferable to the plot Which is way more than 10 minutes Wait, oh, yeah, like I said, we see a montage of events and we we're still like 18 minute clocking in So it's just like imagine how long it actually was and that brings us to what is the most embarrassing moment of this whole episode. I would say So mando's plan is to drop off the um The tracker for the republic into this outpost so that the republic will go there instead Which in and of itself if you understand it to simply mean that the republic will come here like that could you know You don't exactly know what'll happen is like i'm not making a character judgment I guess from mando's perspective that could mean a lot of things It's like that'll uh, that'll screw up their ability to maybe operate basically Basically the cops are coming the space cop, which is fine because especially because they betrayed him So it's like okay. I'm fine with that So they turn up and now bear in mind they turn up and seconds after mando is heading right for them and they're like whoa You'd think the their justification for shooting anything is that it can attack them. That's what they say They're launching an attack ship. So a ship with the ability to attack I assume is the the requirement because mando's got big old blasters on his they don't mind him They let him go. Yeah, whatever. They're fine I mean, but the pacing though, they don't have too much time to get their wings up But they ignore him they pass each other they have to avoid him Right that he's flying into them and they have to fly away like dodge him, but they don't care about him I'm just not gonna they don't turn around. They don't try to hail the ship Like the thing is the reality is this scene could have worked better instantly if mando's ship was behind theirs That's all they needed to do his ship was behind theirs when they came in And then he escapes instead. They have to actually avoid him. They're like, whoa And um, they don't seem to care and they instead conclude So let's get into the pov of the republic right now We have this prison ship out there and it's alerted us that something's gone wrong That's the only reason they ever alert that and it's taken us now to this weird outpost That's strange. Um, let's destroy it Yeah, we don't know who's on it. We don't know anything about Oh, they're launching a ship that has guns on it destroy the entire station It's like you have no idea why that's happening. Also, isn't your dude on there the one who activated the signal? Yeah Nothing makes sense in this scene Um, yeah, I guess mando is cool with all the people getting killed at that point Yeah, including potentially, you know innocence who were just passing through it seemed to just be an outpost It didn't seem to be like evil incorporated the central hq. It was just like, oh wow And someone said, I mean he isn't shooting at them neither was the attack ship. They destroyed it anyway I say quote-unquote attack ship. That's just how they describe it. They're like, it's they're launching an attack ship It's like okay, and it's clear that the riders are trying to justify it with the launching of the attack ship But guns on ships aren't exactly uncommon in star wars. They have guns on their ships Does that mean people should shoot them? Well, I mean, why wouldn't why wouldn't any ship in the star wars universe have guns on it? Considering how many dangerous things are out there You'd be pretty foolish to buy a ship without guns and I find it intensely amusing that they sent three x wings When we could easily like it seems like this outpost probably does have the ability to actually counter three x wings Well, that could have actually helped save this scene if the gunship they launched actually fires on the x-wing and then the The space station starts to fire on them And then the the x-wings are forced to fight back and the x-wings prevail Maybe by the skin of their teeth that might have to have to And then that would have fixed at all. It's like it would have fixed at all. That's the problem They don't know anything about this space station. I don't know They shoot the ship out of the station before they can even shoot the attack ship. This is ridiculous If they actually got fired on by the space station and the ship that was launched that would justify the x-wings blowing it up That's my point Well, what if they're guys on there? I guess he's dead. Yeah, sorry mate. Sorry you Yeah, well they really fucked up with this They only need to destroy the attack ship and then show them maybe docking or not even that we can just assume it But instead they show us this wide shot where they continue to shoot the station Yeah, oh my god already everyone else on that ship all the welders and just people walking around I guess you're fucking dead Thanks, thanks Republic. Yeah, that that that little image right there. That just sums up the stupid If mando turns back it's like And yeah, man, like let's just put it this way if this is all canon like I am not a fan of the new republic Well, I mean the sequels. I'm not a fan of the new republic Oh, yeah, well, they're um, they're impotent in the new that's their problem. At least they're malicious Yeah You might have one of our guys see a boom boom boom blown them all up It becomes mandalorian's greatest kind of dark, you know, failure. It's like what was the worst thing you ever did I accidentally got a space station destroyed by the republic And waking up in a cold sweat with his helmet on naturally I'm sorry So, yeah, that's that's episode six So what do you I mean, it's hard to remember because obviously we did the other episodes so long ago As in the e-fap episode, but uh, how does that rank for everybody in terms of the season that episode? I would probably as it stands my ranking would be four still at the bottom Then five five was really stupid. I think it's I think this is worse than five. I think this is worse Yeah, I think it is Especially without that ending man that caps it off that like five is bad, but this is like And every like every scene it's almost it seems like there's just something that isn't right Yeah, but I feel like that was the same thing that was happening with five I feel like you guys might be forgetting how bad five was He destroyed the fob because he memorized the location despite the fact that Yeah, I I completely agree that it's bad. I completely agree. It's bad. Yeah, that's dumb. Wait, that was six I can No, that was six This is six that was five. Oh, sorry, I've loaded up seven so I'm reading it seven. No Oh wait, I made it. I made a mistake. I shouldn't admit to it. No, I was right It was But At least with the fog at least the the guy that the the junior bounty hunter guy breaking the fog I guess in his mind established Now I'm not gonna go to keep me I'm not going that route. I'm literally just gonna say sure as still doesn't match up to six's flisms There's so many so many flisms for six. Nothing's making sense. Their entire plan is insane Their motivations as characters are insane the results are insane. They ruin the republic by the end Mando's an idiot throughout most of it Look at it like that then it'll probably be four then six because I still think four is the worst one Yeah, I agree with that Seven and eight are worse than six. Well, we're gonna find out. We'll do this at the end of seven and seven eight as well Eight will be the interesting one. I'm not sure about seven, but eight Yeah, it's pretty bad. I'm sure. Yeah, eight eight's bad. It's pretty fucking horrible Yeah All right. Well, I guess we'll kick God Episode seven uh Seven I guess we'll open with I'm trying to see if um, you're gonna take Oh, yeah, if there's anything else you want to say about six obviously by wings X-wings ignore razor crest destroy the station even though they know the tracking beacons there They don't know who's on the station. There are not external cannons on the station They blow up the attack shift and proceed to destroy the station the question's asked anybody anybody could have activated the beacon Like here. All right. Well, it was seven everybody we're moving right along Um, let me grab a let me grab a drink another drink. No problem So I figure we can open with um, he's like Mando do do what I want you to do with with this and we can call it even from uh, Carl Weathers I always found that to be a bit like Call it even why would Mando ever believe that that's how you feel with what he did? Yeah, he like destroyed the guild in your area. He nearly killed you Oh, okay. Yeah, sorry the uh beyond the hunting guild. Yeah, and so like what I what I guess I'm putting forward is just like He does address that he can't really trust him in this episode But it just blows my mind and the whole reason Is he's like he's got no choice And I'm just like what was your plat up to this point bad though like Are we on seven? Are you starting seven? Yeah. Yeah, just we're in a situation now with Mando. It's firmly established Yeah, I'm not escaping these bounty hunters, which is something we knew from the get-go I don't know why that came up so late And uh, Carl Weathers is like I'm offering you this thing that is really hard to trust Considering what he did to Carl Weathers, but his motivation is like well, I got no other choice and I'm as a viewer I'm just like what was your plan? Were you just like hoping you would survive and that was it because you felt bad about a baby My first bullet point here is that Mando has no reason to trust Carl He would still have to deal with that's Carl Weathers He would still have to deal with the empire wanting baby Yoda even if this plan went perfectly smoothly That's yeah, it's not yeah, I've got a point for that later That's because they say that if they kill the imp meaning uh, venerhurt sock then it'll be over and it's like why would you think that? Yeah, like that's clearly not true at all. But in fact even after he dies spoilers That doesn't happen. Yeah, it literally doesn't happen. Yeah, like that's the thing that doesn't happen I don't know why they've concluded that it's like clearly. It was just this old dude that wanted baby Yoda That was it. It's like no No, that's not. I don't know which is why I think that this season plot line as a quick fix should have been that he establishes immediately on episode three exit He's like the first thing we got to sort out was this fob We've got to get it deactivated or at least get the signal away from baby Yoda How do we do that and you can make the missions relate to it? Like we need to go to this planet because there's a there's a black market bounty dealer that can You know muzzle the signal or something like that like cool And while he goes to that planet, he's got to do a job to get access to this thing, you know It's weird that you would bring that up as the thing that they should do Like the insanely important thing that they should do that anybody would want to do But they don't even mention getting rid of it as if it's not even a thing that's possible in the universe It's not even suggested. No, it's just you fucked if you've been attached to fob. The fob has been attached to you. You're done You're finished. It's over That doesn't have implications. I'm sure uh So Yeah, they established that it's really hard to kill we're in a headsock you guys fucking shot through a wall Oh wait, are we No, I'm not I'm not they establish early on in the episode that he's really hard to kill And I'm just skipping forward to how he dies which is getting shot through a wall But weren't they just saying that in the context that he has guards around him? Not that he's gonna well what I'm trying to point out is that this guy shouldn't be that hard to kill No one's really that hard to kill in star wars. Let's be honest outside of maybe Jedi and Sith Yeah, it's not the killing them. It's the getting away with that part. Yeah I don't believe for a second that mandu would believe that uh, Calweather's group of guild members couldn't have pulled this assassination off. Yeah, is there any Oh, yeah, that's why he's uniquely difficult to kill. Yeah, I mean He's hanging out in the diner and if you just occasion, you know, I was I was about to say maybe he thinks the guild members are insanely incompetent, but then I remember who is guarding talk and I was like, well It's kind of like a special olympics on this planet So just small nitpick, I guess but uh in the middle of like Kara's fight with other guy She's like trying to stand away from him with her rope And he's trying to pull on the rope to get her to come to him instead of just walking towards her I don't understand. Yeah, I don't understand the uh lightening rope and how much it would if like It's just to keep them close so that they have to fight I mean, there's some there's some It's like a cool little modifier for a fight. I guess it's just this one moment where He's trying to pull on it to get her to come to him and she's like resisting it to a degree It is like why don't just walk toward her. I don't understand What's the point? It does seem like it would reserve a lot of energy to just take a few steps instead of trying to pull a large woman towards you who's actually If he's pulled a decent a small amount of it sure but a decent amount if you let go of it while she's resisting She would fall over right? It's like try that. I don't know Yeah, but whatever It actually shortens as they get close. It's weird. So it's Yeah, it's like a tether like maybe there's some pull there, but they're attracting each other It would be it'd be nifty or if they were like magnets or something You know where so there's they were attracted to one another I think it's either two or three references to having Cara hide her tattoos in this episode and as I think is one of the funniest ones is that she has a rebel tattoo on your eye that Or just under your eye that she doesn't hide at all And they want to prevent the enemies from knowing that she's a part of a rebel shock trooper Selection because that's what a tattoo in our arm would tell them She covers up the weird nondescript ones in her arm But the actual fucking tattoo the icon of the rebel alliance on her face They don't even mention I think I that's that's so bad that I think that must be like an oversight of the people who made the show And then you wonder how did they forget it's on her face And also they had to do the makeup that day, you know, yeah Maybe give her a mask or something Well, maybe they were maybe they were just thinking that one is an identifier of someone who likes the uh, you know Rebelizes To fix this you have you have a stolen trooper go Is that a rebel symbol and then she would have to have some kind of excuse like Oh, it's ironic. Yeah, it's a reminder for many of the how much I hate them that I would tattoo that I Was like the people who tattoo, you know, if I trump on their on their arm, it's just like, yeah, I guess you know Even in there's this would be like the word trump on your arm without the Before before even get that far I'm just interested like when was the practice of tattooing someone's rank happen Well come about like I thought that was just something you would wear on your uniform not a tattoo. That's permanently imprinted She was really into the club really. I mean that's that that's a that's a bit of an odd way Wait, is it do we know it's the rank or is it just like a is it some symbol of support that we know? No, they can literally identify her as a dropper Like I know that identifies her as a type of troop a dropper specifically Is of like marine corps and stuff And that's not I doesn't seem like that though. That actually looks like it's a barcode almost It looks like no, I think the tattoo on her eye is just the rebel symbol and I think the tattoo on her arm I'm not sure about that one. Well, yeah, it's her arm that identifies her as a dropper. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah, right You would think if that is a rank and signia itself that is insanely stupid to have that be a permanent tattoo That's kind of a bad idea in general because what if you promote them? It's like, oh go to get a new tattoo You start off with one and then you just keep going all the way around until you're the fucking president We actually don't know if it's a ranking signal. Yeah, that was just me kind of but it is an identifier of what type of troop She was so what if she became a different type of trooper like yeah It's I think it's the equivalent of somebody who gets the ummarine's tattoo or rangers tattoo or an air force tattoo On their arm where it's not specifically their rank, but they're just yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine with it existing Who just thinks funny or she didn't hide the eye tattoo. Yeah, it's weird that she Cover that up Yeah Yeah, because we don't know as an audience that that means she's a rebel drop trooper or whatever So they didn't even need to draw attention to it Yeah, they do and so now that just makes the eye thing doubly odd Well, yeah, we probably wouldn't even be mentioning the eye. Well, we might have actually Yeah, did they not have tattoo removal technology in Star Wars? Maybe not. I don't know. Yeah, it's called a lightsaber Yeah I think I think it's amusing like oh by the way Yeah, I don't really I don't really care about this because I just don't care about here But I don't believe that she would actually go along with this mission If you remember she wants to stay on that planet and she wants Mando to leave it because she doesn't want to be found By anybody and she's got a decent like way of making money there and he's like Here's a mission that's going to take you directly into the heart of the empire As well as other bounty hunters and she's on the run from several people she said like in terms of noticing And yeah, he'll pay her for it. It's like yeah She could go and pursue work if she wanted to right like this is she's got money. She can win Hang on. She was all again. She was all against him until he told her that it was against um formy imperials And then she says she's in so that it's implying that she has a really big hatred for the imperials and that she'll be Yeah, but I feel like I feel like if that's how much she hates them. Why isn't she already proactively doing that? Yeah, good question But I'm just saying they could have justified it like with her being willing to risk her You know getting caught to fight imperials and stuff Yeah, if she would have said something like I know I used to be a soldier And I thought I'd like the quiet quiet life But there's still a lot of fight and spark in me and I feel like I could still do so much more than just hanging out here fighting thugs and bars They could have done something but All right, I guess this is what it is um, the ship starts to like Panic them because it's all like blizzoming and they find out that baby Yoda is just fucking with the controls Once again just clocking it in for mando being so incompetent it drives me nuts It's like whoops, I left my baby in the cockpit Dude who has been reaching for controls throughout the series and stuff. Yeah, this is not the first time he's done this But baby Yoda is very cute True true Impossible to criticize It was a cute baby Yoda was doing something cute. There go Not a problem at all. You know it makes people happy um All right, so again, because I don't have as many issues with sevens I do with eights. So I'm kind of like Kara takes the issue with quail for being or quill, whatever What do we find out his name was I always forget quill quill? uh, wasn't it quill Quill spell how I'm calling him. I'm calling him quill because he's like a little I'm not sure you might want to consult with computer Fuck it. I'm going with quill So she takes issue with quill for being a slave to the empire when she literally admitted to being a person who can't go back To the republic because of what she's done since her time being a shock trooper that would earn her a life sentence Well, no, no, no, no, no, she was a shock trooper for the resistance I thought she had done things afterwards that she says specifically Earn her several life sentences. Yeah, that's what I'm referencing. I'm saying she's like this guy This slave has done things that are potentially she didn't even know potentially morally reprehensible While being a slave despite being a person who's on the run from the good guys because of what she's done She's like taking the moral high ground with him. It's like k He was a slave. How are you taking the moral? Bugs the hell out of me in that scene but she was forced to commit all those horrible crimes Maybe they're like he had no choice And he's just a criminal for all she knows he just did some manual labor Yeah, he says like he managed to earn his freedom by building things with his hands and it's just like yeah Yeah, well, you probably did evil stuff. It's like, okay, unlike me who have done things that are worth multiple life sentences in the republic Yeah, I'm hiding on this planet from the law um We got this weird extended montage of quill finding and fixing the droid and teaching it how to be humane or something Yes, and I don't know what to make of any of this Robots have muscle memory robots need to be taught how to walk and all that Yeah machine Yes, there's the like I don't have too much of an issue with this scene But it does have contradicting elements to it that robot seems to have maintained all its training in regards to combat Like it's it comes to a good shot and that's a good point Oh, that's in my nose, right? It's in my nose But it can can't even walk and yet Yeah, it could do all the things it could do in this episode in the next But it can't pick up a cup it can't walk properly or pick up a cup properly Unless quill put it through like Obviously It's all about programming it can't walk, but if it has to walk towards someone it has to kill Man is gone. It was exactly how to do that. But walking for peaceful purposes No, can't do it Picking up a cup Uh, let's see. Oh Mando has the floating basket again. He just has one Yeah, um I don't really care about that because they could have just been holding him, right? But it's just like, oh, you have that Oh, hang on floating hang on floating basket. You're talking about the that floating pram thing when they turn up to a quill They just have it and it's like wow this whole season that would have been really useful They just have a floating thing for you baby Yoda. No, I thought he lost it because quill looks I thought it looked like quill rebuilt it when they're on the ship Yeah, he does can you he does from from their new one, but they bring their new one with them Okay, okay. It's real weird because it was always a good little I actually like that in episode two, right? You get Mando can remotely lock it down and push it away and pull it forward. It's a pretty good little defensive System for baby Yoda and it makes it so he can't wander off They lose it and by the time we hit what episode four because it's it's episode three that it's lost And then for the rest of time, he's just letting baby Yoda wander around And it's like damn if you had kept that thing we would have a lot of reason to believe that baby Yoda would be safe And then he just has one in this episode. It's like, oh Okay, listen every every bounty hunter keeps with them a portable crib Oh, I don't know I could have picked it up when he hired caradune or thing on him Just on that planet like I need something poverty thing to take baby Yoda That's right. The appearance of it. I don't have an issue with It's just a more commenting on their missed opportunities to make other problems go away by having that thing Throughout you know another episode. Yeah Yeah so quill says that ig has a personality but like robots aren't good or bad And I this really goes into this weird dizzy. We saw this in solo the movie I'm not against these themes being explored but in star wars they've always played it loose Yeah, they need consistent canon to actually determine if these are sentient beings or mimicking sentience through programming That needs to be established and known fully because there's a lot of weird crap Well, I think the thing is right the problem is I actually think these themes are awesome Like I personally find this entire subject very interesting But star wars has always played loose on purpose because you don't want it You don't want to open pandora's box on this one. This is a big existential question About like the nature of consciousness and this show keeps flip-flopping on what I actually see Well, this is this is the thing right even if they had the technology to create sentient robots to have a servant droid You would never want to have it give it the the programming to be sentient if you're going to use You'll never even you would never even push it that far. And so just out of a Pragmatic perspective No manufacturer would ever give a robot that level of self-aware Not unless it was something that was just the natural byproduct of artificial intelligence But again, you just get rid of that you just be like not programming But even if you say that Like the robot's consciousness is an emergent property of sufficiently advanced programming You would never program a robot to be that advanced No, and I think you could you could easily Make a robot mimic like self-awareness, but not be truly self-aware and we see in computer games with mpc Is already where you can interact and you can even give them personalities like c3po And they'll not be self-aware still not actually be truly sentient and and that would be consistent That would be logical Especially from a manufacturing standpoint that you're using these robots as a servant class No one would make them self-aware and fully sentient and they're trying to shrew horn that they are It's just like no no, that's dumb. Well, I assume all the reason they do all of this is to make its death sad Yeah, that's it And yet they but but that doesn't even work because Mando Mando lets him see his face At which he justifies as well. He's not alive. So it doesn't matter But yet he's sad when he's dead because he considers him a person So it's it's it's weird not to mention the line from quill where he's like the robot. I found it broken destroyed devoid of life It's like wait a minute. Wait a minute. What do you mean by that? Just on fringy's point, I think people can become attached to things that aren't fully, you know Sure, and they can be sorry that it gets broken like some kids favorite toy What I what I mean. Oh, yeah, I I'm not saying I'm just generally Yeah, you couldn't have it yet that someone is what I'm saying is it's it's his workaround His work around is that he allows the robot to heal him because it's not alive But He's sad when he dies You can't he got it. You got to commit to one or the other. You can't do both It just doesn't work. Yeah, I agree with that. Um, we'll come to that as well. We'll probably talk more about the whole Uh, this show could have been so good So in in my notes, my next point is that while they're on the ship Uh, I have it. It is unfortunate that baby yoda doesn't kill cara. True true I um, it actually really annoys me that baby yoda does force choke It's like all right being able to move things seems like a more basic use the force force choke is a very specific kind of And usually associate, uh, I was gonna say dark power, but luke doesn't I'm annoyed even more annoyed with healing Okay. Good. Good. Good. Good. Okay. Yeah, don't worry. Don't worry. I will get to healing But even this point I felt was too far with baby yoda. Yeah Yeah, how come how come baby yoda didn't force choke the mudhorn You know the only way this could be described if baby yoda is far more mature than he lets on and has actually had some training in the force Like is a secret to the mudhorn then Well, that's a good point as well. I also why wouldn't how could he Because this is the part where it also falls apart because if baby yoda was actually Mature and self-aware he would know just by context that cara dude is not an enemy And so it's a very infant from zero Yeah, it's a very infantile thing to assume that they're fighting when they're having an arm wrestle And so that actually is a thing that kind of breaks my theory that baby yoda actually is underdeveloped He also doesn't heal mando when mando's near death Mm-hmm Instead he's just like well, I'm out Good luck man. He didn't didn't heal over force already. I'm stopping. Yeah. He used. Oh, was he knocked out? Oh, that's even stupider though. We'll have to talk about that too. We'll get there. We'll get there, but as to healing Um, I wasn't I can also that was already that was still after mando was wounded by the way Oh, yeah, good point as well. Yeah, good point I'd also it doesn't even make sense that not well. Oh, yeah, we'll get to that Yeah, like I just really want to stress really unfortunate. Uh, mando prevented baby yoda from finishing the job It's a plot point that we're all gonna have to biggest flaw with the whole I find her annoying. I don't hate her There's this thing baby yoda found out about choking Uh from the previous episode where mando tried to choke demon man. It's another example of bad parenting Uh So, yeah next that I've got is uh, how come mando doesn't know about the force and yeah That's my notes too. The force is for some reason still mystic and legendary Someone killed the emperor really who like That's Remember those clones being led by those generals what generals? Um Well Organization that worked with the republic for tens of thousands of years. I guess palpatine erased them from history and memory Have you heard about this new, you know school that is teaching people about some magic? I think it's because you like assume lucas already is setting up a Jedi training thing somewhere Why would he's incompetent and cowardly? Oh, of course, but even even in canon A bad real canon of the um Uh sequel trilogy luke has opened a school at some point and he's training jet the young jedi so This is the fact that it's a mystery and no one knows about it is baffling Yeah, uh, we kind of touched on it before with the whole clone wars thing It's just it's just a consistently annoying aspect because like you'd feel like he'd probably know more than most people maybe um I don't get why call weathers had them meet them on the outskirts of the place Oh, I thought that was just because of the imperial presence in the city that they might but it's all a ruse though So why? Do you know what I mean? You'd be like hey land pretty close He initially planned on uh attacking The white pox so far away from where you need to go to the point We have to travel for two full days or at least the day to half Did they have to walk? I think they showed up and they had they was just carl weathers and his two bodyguards Yeah, they didn't have any vehicles. They apparently walked here Walk for two days That would suck It's a well, I could tell you why I I could tell you why it happened is because we need to have that nighttime scene Where the carl weathers gets convinced that annoyed me that play well the join me No, like you think like this is a weird thing for carl to do. Why would he do it? And it's like well, they need another thing to happen. So it has to be this way Yeah, he ain't no apollo anymore. I don't know if he could walk through Wilderness The the scorched earth for two days and nights. I have the tiger. I have the tiger. Sorry Um, I think I'm a rocky now I pointed about the attack when they were attacked by the Is your is your objection that they can't hit crap when they're getting attacked? I find it funny that she has a rapid fire blaster thing She has a light machine gun and they're close. They're they're really close And the the bullets there the blasters she's actually firing lights up her target And so they argue that she can't see what she's firing at like They can't hit the broad side of a barn in that scene. I was legitimately annoying. He's like come off it Yeah, it is annoying. Yeah Mando has the most luck with his flamethrower, which by the way when you try and fire a flamethrower at a flying Object that's going away from you. It's like you're probably not going to hit it much And yet they show a shot where it's like on fire as a result of him having done it It was like oh wow that was effective compared to all those other weapons Also, the wingspan of these things wouldn't have the lift to lift one of those blurred things No way it could lift one of them nitpick thing right there And um, yeah, just it just bugs me that this was a huge surprise. It's like do you not know about this? Carl Weathers, this is like your place of business. Like do you not know about the wildlife and To any degree it was out there attracted to campfires at night. Yeah, damn And uh, you know lucky this all happened as well because uh It turns him on his own team because he can't he can't be good. Oh, well, I guess this brings up to brings us to Yoda healing. So Horse healing baby Yoda this horse healing. What was this a day before? The rise of Skywalker came out Yeah, very cleverly done guys. We can tell good job This might be we established it. Dude. I'm almost convinced that the release time was actually Ordered that specific way. They will like get it. So this episode comes out right before so that people will believe rey doing it in the movie Oh, like this might be the thing that annoys me most out of the whole Is the baby Yoda healing part, I think It's frustrating that he would even know how to do this. Yeah, there are a lot of Oh, and this doesn't knock him out. By the way, this one doesn't it I don't think it does. I think he just I think he he does sort of fall over. I think Yeah, all right. Pull it up. Let's see. Pretty sure. All right, pretty sure. Yeah, I might be wrong on that one Baby, I was walking up. He's waddling up Oh, Carl's yeah, sorry You don't need to do a commentary because they can already see it rags because I'm I'm better than you. I put it on screen Yeah, but mine is in higher resolution. I doubt it I think that you would be mistaken. Yeah, he does fall over Oh, okay Oh You know when you know when you could vlc it could get all glitchy sometimes I've got a pulse that uh I don't know how to explain it really You healed his arm, but what's going on? What's happening, Carl? Stay with me Oh, jeez. Carl. I'm so sorry So, yeah, I they don't show any more of him that night. He's in crib I'm guessing do they cut away to where he's like passed out or something Yeah, and also what's weird too is that in the scene right after he's healed they're walking through the barren landscape And Carl withers is talking to his two bounty hunter guys Oh, yeah, so I'm like it's weird that you would Why not just tell them to not kill? Yeah, they're part of the guild aren't they you're part of the guild like they're on your side Why did you not just say you know what this guy saved my life? We're gonna we're gonna let him go because interestingly He's pointing to his healed arm as if to as if he's trying to convince them that this means a lot to him and that What what if the what if I'm gonna pretend for a second that this show isn't terrible? So what if he what if we're supposed to infer that he's trying to argue that they should work with them instead of against them And that conversation didn't go the way he wanted and so he killed them Well, he's their boss anyway I mean, I'm I'm saying I don't think that's the case anyway Yeah, he he leads all of the guild that he pays them Like they're already getting paid by him for this job or the very least He's the matter in which they get the opportunities to get paid, right? Well, even here he would say like he would have to pay them for this job Oh, yeah, he provides the money doesn't he yeah, so he'd be like if he says all right guys Don't kill bounty hunter. This don't kill this Mandalorian guy. They're probably like oh, thank god Oh, thank goodness. Yeah. Oh man because all I've got are these blasters Oh, by the way, so much curl. Um, not that I don't already have a problem with how force healing just works mechanically But how does he pull out the poison exactly? How does that work? With Yoda healing just removes it. He forces it out Like I wonder if it just it just generally heals your body to the point of Like, you know, like it gets rid of any scars It also gets rid of any kind of like imperfections because that's just it just returns your body to a neutral state or something It's like, oh neat Hey, my eyes were I did have 20 20 vision. I do now neat. Thanks, baby. Yoda There you go Um, so this seems ridiculous Uh, I have lots of issues with it that are like different mechanical But your call weathers and you've decided you have to kill your own men and so I've got a screenshot here that sums up exactly what we're looking at in terms of chest pieces on a board So if you're Carl, wouldn't you think to yourself like I need to get behind my men So I can shoot them without risk of them shooting me and I need to be in a position Where I don't immediately threaten the two people that I want to be on the team of Instead he positions himself In what I would call the worst possible And it results Look, so this is the really interesting part. They're about to pull guns on mando and kara They already have Well, in my screenshot they have, yeah So that's interesting to me that means that they were always planning to kill them before they even got to the uh the exchange, right? I guess, yeah, so what the hell were they waiting for? Why didn't they kill them? They wanted them to take like baby Also again the horizon for the city Hey mando, hey super competent veteran bounty hunter who's careful about everything. Why are you cool with two people? You barely trust being behind you It infuriates me. He's just he's so lame And again, why didn't they kill them while they were asleep? Yep that too Uh, but they decide now is the time and luckily for them fucking Carl tids on him shoots them both And it blows my mind that kara and mando don't immediately on reflex just shoot this shit out of Carl Yeah, yeah, it's like because they don't know that when those blasters missed them that they hit the guys behind them They could have easily assumed that he just missed them when trying to fire on them. And so I like look at look at the way that they're aiming their guns By the way, there is no fucking way that mando and kara both aiming at him There's no way there's no position that he could exist. That's possible She's she's aiming upwards somewhere And mando mando's probably aiming at him, but kara isn't Kara is like, oh, there could be another pterodactyl behind you. I'm ready this time So yeah, they were really lucky. They didn't just immediately like he's still at this. It's dumb. It's all so dumb Um, okay So yeah, this is where he says they won't stop coming if the imp lives referring to bone hurt sock I don't know why this is something they think This is one of those little details of if you are the Actress who ever plays kara? I don't know. But would this be a scenario where your eyes are closed? Is she just blinking or I don't think so. She just It's it's one of those instinct. I guess she was enacting I don't know, but it's just Um, next up I've got is the part so there's a lot to their plan that I have criticisms for fists and foremost Get quill and the baby to the ship and to lockdown mode because and he says nothing on this planet can breach those doors I refuse to believe that Yeah, I mean, I I think that could have been just hyperbole. It was just exaggerating um and We talked about lockdown in the previous episode. I think Could kind of justify it, but it's nothing you explained in the series to just like But it presents an issue now for episode two where we didn't have one before it's like wait Why didn't you put it on lockdown in episode two? It's like, oh, yeah, exactly. There are issues I mean, and you can try so far we're saying, you know, did he know there was javas on the planet and that had Need to be because But there's no need to get into it again because we already discussed it um So their plan is we're going to put him in like under fake restraints We're going to walk in with her because we're going to say that kara is the one that got him and we're going to say that she submitted to Carl for the bounty and that they're all going to go in and shoot the crap out of The imp and his men killing him releasing them from the bounty hunting that is for baby yoda Winning the day that is the plan So it's like first and foremost why in the world would they not ask to look at baby yoda at any of the Several checkpoints coming toward it. They pretend they're not going to actually bring baby yoda Oh, I was going to go even sooner than that. Why do they think that killing this one imperial guy burner would well be later than that the empire go away Well, they say repeatedly that if you kill the uh the head the um The uh stormtroopers just scatter because they don't have you know, yeah, but that they're still going to come and look for him He still hasn't followed up. Why no the question is why do they think that the imp is the top of the chain? yeah well If he's been the head honcho in the town, they might there's no reason to believe that there is a that would give me reason to believe He's not the fact that he's even there Really, I don't know from the early episodes It seemed like he was very much on his own and this was a small pocket that he was maintaining Um, and so that one I don't have the issue with my issue is I think there are much easier ways to kill him Than putting yourself in a vulnerable position right at him yeah, there's no way he doesn't have contacts with other stormtroopers and Even if you didn't even if you didn't know even if you thought oh, maybe maybe not like what an insane risk this is to take on Hoping that this will end the the imperials caring about baby Yoda anymore Yeah, um, obviously they will still care and they'll want him back and they will come and get you now If anything this will increase their search for you. Well, they just yeah, this is the problem They assume by killing the everything's over and it's just like why Which is Anyway, um, they don't wait But quill to get to the ship to confirm that he's back there and safe before engaging the plan for some reason They think that they should just go right ahead while he's going back. I'm just like basic safety and precautionary Things. Yeah, hopefully that won't have any negative. Yeah, hopefully that won't end badly. Let's just assume it doesn't but now um So, yeah, they just assume at every position along the way to the the target that no one's gonna ask to look at baby Yoda for clarification confirmation even they're just like no, they won't it'll be fine. It's like oh Okay That'll like destroy your entire plan, but okay. Uh, nobody questions the fact that they let Nobody questions the fact that they let mando keep his helmet is gauntlets his armor his bandolier None of it. They're just like, yeah, that's all fine Like, oh, I know there's a flamethrower attached here and they even highlight it They even highlight that he's like, I want that helmet. I'll pay you 20 credits which first of all 20 credits for something that There's something that's made out of That has built in heads up displays and extra magic vision and stuff for 20. Come on. What do they what do they pay any man? But the fact they let him keep it on is insane. Like obviously they will have taken his armor off if they're That's ridiculous that they don't it's an If I was Werner Herzog once they opened that door and I'm like, why the fuck is he still in his battle armor? Why does he still have his rocket thing and his fight Is armed Yeah, he's still on down at this table and fucking flamethrower me from across the table You know, it's not like he's got one of those old timey things where the shackles are attached to his legs and his arms He's his arms are fully movable. He could just move them up and shoot the rocket and flamethrower This is insanely. Yeah. Yeah, uh Werner Herzog describes it as he's like It's amazing. What's mandalorian artisans can do when forging beskar and it's like, oh So this is what he's got on him is evidence of a mandalorian smith doing it He literally like got the items in that town in episode three disappeared for like an hour And then came out with the full suit and it's just like, uh I think there are mandaloreans in this area Like just that's just my assumption. I feel as if you might have an armor vendor Somewhere in this town And let me just say you did that accent really well. You have a talent for accents It's very impressive. Why that's very kind of you. Oh, it's just you know, you can do the american one on your on your You can do the welsh one. We're really well You do carly ren really well I say like three words with him every time It's great Um So, yeah, I don't mean to jump ahead just tell me if there's anything else you guys are thinking about but uh I want to go now to the conversation with winner. Herzog at the table Yeah, I can keep yeah, it's weird that their plan does not account for him asking to see the baby Okay, just before that Right, he should be pissed at mandalorian. He's caused him loads of trouble after paying him and he's brandishing His payment in front of him like hey check it out It's like cool. And the dude is so kind and easy going. He's like, why did you guys resist the empire? The empire's really good. It makes everything matter It's like we're gonna hit something. What are you doing? I love him Like why are you appealing to him like this get on with it? It blows my mind that he's like, yeah I'm gonna give you a speech about how the empire's pretty cool right now when you've got the baby right there And that's been your only goal for this entire season. Are you just like, yeah? I was just gonna chat with you about the empire for a bit if that's cool And then when he insists to see the baby, I mean it really says he conveniently gets a call Well, okay, again winding back to now what rag said so this to me is parody levels where he's like I want to seize the baby and he's like Are you sleeping like what? It gets better though, it gets better because winner hit succ says we would be quiet I would not want to Babies that I was going to harvest the organs from yeah, I didn't care if it lived or died, but I don't want to disturb It's sleep. It's like, what do you mean? I have I have a line. I do not fish to cross Yeah, it's just and then yeah, they're plan is about to fall It's fine, but waking them up is not is too much far back Everything is about to fall apart It's all about to be over because they're requesting to see the baby Which is something they should have accounted for but they did they're just like phone call Phone call. Thank god lucky that phone call and so normally we would be like All right, let's judge the convenience of this phone call. Who is it and why are they calling? It's a literal call from his boss to tell him the baby isn't in the room and that he's he's about to kill him Well, also just this thing right? um The uh the old guy He actually says the name of who's calling like like allowed and in the next episode They're like, who is this guy and then Mendo's like it must be him. I was like you heard the guy say the name on the call I didn't even catch that Yeah, he actually says hello, so and so Wolf get in yeah, and then they're then they don't know who he is in the next episode Nice, I'm gonna write that in my notes This whole aspect is I see Moff Gideon and the call in this assault is absolute nonsense Yes, why did Moff Gideon interrupt imperial guy from checking the baby to tell him to check the baby? Why did he kill all of his own men? Why is it worse if Moff Gideon wants baby Yoda so much He's just gonna shoot randomly into the you know diner where the baby is Risking killing the baby in the process. Oh, there's a lot of everyone else. I was like, oh You're like one of them alive If you like this show and you defend this part you're insane. Oh This is nuts It is Because this is absurd. This is the thing. This is the good half of the finale Yeah, this is the better All right, there's a part of next We argue about that Um So yeah, I guess um As the troopers start to arrive one by one by one by one by one our heroes just stand in awe They don't do anything even though they're all obviously going to try and kill them We'll get to the point of killing Winner Hitzog We'll get to that next episode because they make it clear for us They give us a nice reason for it and we'll discuss that but yeah It's just fascinating to me that that Mando Kara and Carl they're all watching the storm troopers pour in And they just do nothing and it's like Amanda, why don't you try shooting them from cover as they're all look at this shot. They're lined up like bowling pins And he's he's behind cover and he's a good shot and he just doesn't seem to give a shit Selectively And we know their armor can't protect them. They are standing right there. They have cover. They don't like war Yeah Really dumb Yeah, so um, he decides to you know, Mando's just as stupid as Moff Givety and he decides to call quill to tell him to get to Inside the ship where that's all quill was doing anyway Yeah, this this is annoying because it is actually Mandalorian calling quill that the speed You know bikers are able to find out where quill is. They actually hear the conversation Which makes no sense to me. I figured they would be on different frequencies Like I know you're like exactly you think you'd be encoded on different frequencies But no these speed is actually hear the call and so it's actually Mandalorian causes quills death. Yeah, and that is that is not uh Quills death actually really bothers me because he's probably the one character I actually like The end of all of this outside of baby Yoda And so not only is well shot in the back as he's running away Uh, he's killed because Mandalorian's an idiot Yeah This is all very bad writing because you would assume like obviously like It would be on a different even if you could like like if say it was normal radio And you could listen in on radio if you had the right frequency, right? You need to know the frequency first It's like is it just random chance that they're on the same frequency as the speeder Or you would they wouldn't have looked at a private one if this is common Then Mando should have known better if it's not common then how were they able to do that? Exactly, there's there's multiple problems with them either way. Why are you telling quill to do a thing? He was doing he's already doing Hey, just do that thing you were doing a little bit faster if only we had Got you to safety before engaging this plan Ah And if you just didn't say anything quill would have made it to the spaceship Perfectly safe and did the you know protection mode on it and no one would know where the baby was Exactly no one would know 20 seconds later Quill would have been inside the ship Yeah, I hate it Why is boss gideon letting them live he he establishes that he's about to get control of the baby Because he knows it's not it there and he just I don't understand like I rewatched this with ringing. I still don't get it. Why is gideon allowing them to live in there? Yeah, and well Yeah, it's very odd and there's another we like his his actual dialogue is really poor like it's something like yeah It is you do not know what you have But I know what you have Now Yeah, I am evil by the way, like like I'm sure the guy can act in other circumstances, but he is so miscast for that role You haven't watched Breaking Bad, that's Gus Fring and he's fantastic in Breaking Bad Yeah, I really because I I don't feel he suits this role at all. He's got no material. That's part of the problem Yeah, I would blame the right thing. Who is this character? Yeah I am bad and yes I Do you know what this gun is? This is a this gun The previous manufactured in 2792 by the street hold corporation I want to I want to point out he assaulted the entire building had he only killed his own men Yeah You're impressive dude impressive like I don't know how you pulled it off And for some reason he seems to be comfortable with them being alive in there and I can only assume is plot armor It's a very significant case of plot armor Because he intended to he he shot in there intending to get them But yet he in the next episode says, oh you got two, you know sundown Isn't it free? Isn't it obvious he only intended to kill his own men because that makes sense Yeah Why he's letting them they have no leverage He already knows that that his guys have got the kid So exactly there's no reason for these guys and over the kid or you're all dead I'm counting down from 10. Oh wait. I have the kid. So you're just dead then. Oh wait. I have the kid. Yeah, see you That's it. My enemy trapped in this building. Um, why didn't why didn't quill contact the droid to come and save him As he was approaching the ship Why wasn't you like hey droid come outside and help me because I'm about to get attacked by speeders Didn't you you did notice how incredibly quickly that droid passes the distance from the ship to the speeders Who are standing out like parked outside the town the beginning it can sprint chat it can sprint Like as fast as speeders like oh my goodness there Yeah, totally And yeah, so all I've got left for the notes of this episode is I I have been insulted by the way they killed quill. I think it was lame Yeah, it's pretty lame shit I liked him. I mean he was he was yeah, he was the only character who hadn't been bad Like and he shall speak no more No more So Shall we go to the opening scene of episode eight? Yeah, I guess the we let's start up episode eight then uh All right. What's our first point for eight? I The shooting the can with the speeder guys, right? I love that scene. I don't care what you say I I loved it. I thought it was funny and I I thought it was great I think that one scene I loved it. I didn't think it was funny. I was confused what you're trying to do. I was Wondering what the like quill just died and now we're all just having a happy laugh time. Like, okay um I mean Let's just do the let's just get it out of the way the standard argument So stormtroopers can't aim canonically. Is this is this a good thing shad? So It's annoyed me that they can't like a like the thing is That should never have been the case if they're going to be competent soldiers There are ways you can try and justify it by saying They were never trained extensively and stormtroopers only used as mass infantry and they just need to shoot in the one direction And so aiming and precision was never a thing that they trained up a lot And look that's trying to give them too much because it honestly It's just a result of plot armor and bad filmmaking that they're such bad aims in all the movies and everything The problem is that they are you you watch the movies you see them being terrible aims And it's just the state of it. And so I personally just love that they owned it in this and it's like well, we can't change canon now So I would just go with it and then they can't they can't own anything They've got so the problem with them being bad aim in empire or because a new hope gets away with it Empire doesn't at the end it gets away with it in the opening because they're pretty good in the opening And then return of the Jedi does not get away with it at all They select they are so what we're dealing with after the ot is sometimes stormtroopers are good Sometimes they're bad. What explains this plot armor explains it. It's a problem They only they're only terrible when they need the good guys to escape. You're like, okay Then you got taika white easy to be like I want to make this funny scene where they can't shoot at all And I'm like so great. You just fucked with all the scenes where they are competent now Just like for reference There are fewer ones where they're competent. It's been the standard that stormtroopers are What do you go are you going from star are you going from disney canon 2 or are we using you Well, even if just off the ot like, you know empire and return of the jedi it's very blatant empire's half and half Because in half they're fine Uh, yeah, yeah, but um, I'm just saying it's the general thing from all like I'd say it's more accepted That they're bad shots and even if you like you could if you want to the opening in a new hope they annihilate Yeah, yeah, I like I get that But more often than not they can't shoot because of stuff like this Yeah, this is this I hate this and I hate if it was in the reverse by the way If we had a scene where some general was like Uh showing a new general around he was going to be a protagonist and they were looking at the Quarters in which the stormtroopers train and they're all ace shots I'd be like no you shouldn't have done that because that's going to cause problems for all the times that they're terrible all we need to do is just Really ride on the wave of some are bad some are good And they just they happen to miss in the times that they miss and they happen to hit in the house I don't think that explains it adequately for the end of it. No, there is no explaining. There's no explaining it It's it's a contradiction. There's no explaining it. They're sometimes good. Sometimes bad. We're fucked anyway But to have a scene where you go lol, they're always bad. It's like no Well, hang on. I mean, I mean if you want to be specific this scene You could say is only representative for these two. No, no, no, no. We're combining this with bill burr's statement With bill burr's statement. Okay, uh, that there's a general understanding We all know stormtroopers suck. Yeah, we all know that and yeah, I agree and that's I like it because Oi, you can justify it with uh, just trying to say well They were never trained because they just aim in the same direction and so They didn't want to invest the money How do you explain all the times they've been competent? Wait, wait, you have an issue with that. Why don't you have an issue with the opening of a new hope? What about a new hope? Because Mandalorians even if stormtroopers could aim or not. I mean Mandalorians are set up to be faster Okay. Okay. Well, all I'm saying is if this is a plus Uh, shouldn't all scenes that stormtroopers are competent in now be confusing? No, because there can be pockets of more competent stormtroopers that doesn't invalidate it. Um And the other thing is like The the dialogue between the two is casual and funny and that they're calling up. Oh, no, it's just killed some other person That's like the real military though Like have you talked with people from like the military who could be super casual like this but they're still like Are you accurate? I feel like you you made my argument just now though my argument was the we could just assume It's 50 50 ish that some are good some are bad, but you've just said this scene is that it's like no This scene is like lol. They're bad So hang on. What are you saying? I'm saying that the way we rationalize a new hope empire return to the jedi is the we've got troopers that as a whole Can aim pretty well sometimes and sometimes can't they just you know, they're humans. They're all different This scene is like lol. They're so bad. Are they dutch dutch wake wake and we're like what no now No, now you've just confirmed that they're all terrible by canon. That's stupid Also this in the scenario that we're in with this no with this episode So this is post episode six these two storm troopers. They should be better. They're the ones who survived Yeah, they're the ones who survived this long. They're the ones who lived you got through it all who who are sticking through with their enlistment Unlike is it really worth neutering little bad guys for a joke? Like what I see this is the thing, okay I actually don't like that storm troopers are bad aims overall I think the pot armor is bad and it was a result of bad filmmaking But because it's there, I kind of like the fact that they just own it and have gone with it and trying to fit it in And it's like it's a it's a comedy like it's a fun I found it hilarious Funny as any Me and a lot of people. Um, I think the great issue is objective But I found it hilarious and I I love the scene I think the broader issue that I have with it is that Yeah, out of the universe ha ha storm troopers about to aim But the whole idea in star wars is that the empire is a force to be reckoned with So if they're a force to be reckoned with you would assume that the soldiers are pretty good at hitting their targets But this show because you can just have choir power and numbers and there'll still be a force to be reckoned with So as long as there's not 50 in front of you, you're fine Yeah, probably that's that's generally Oh, I guess what happens in this episode. I'm the thing is I know that's exactly what happens I don't think that I think like The idea that We never have to worry about storm troopers doing anything bad unless there's like 50 of them. Like that sucks Yeah, I agree. I agree. But that is the same Oh, you said yourself that this is that but this is the thing that creates the thing is it? No, no, it hasn't created it existed in return the Jedi when storm troopers are defeated by little You know, but this is no definitely not in return of the Jedi. I want to highlight by the way And remember layer is shot in return of the Jedi Yeah, well one person gets shot out of how many attempts well, we don't we don't see all the people who died I'm just talking about the main characters Yeah, I think it's fairly like stated that storm troopers are terrible aims. I disagree. I think across the ot we're given I don't know. We're given enough reference for both enough reference to both See even the defense of the new hope that they wanted them to escape and stuff You can't fight that you can't fight that that's absolute a new hope is sealed shut The scene with the storm troopers in the opening they annihilate the scene on the death star They're terrible, but we have more than enough reason to believe they're terrible because Darth Vader wants them to escape Yeah, I know That's 100 tight empire. They perform just fine on hearth. They perform terribly on baspin. I agree So now we're dealing with like a 75 25 Then you do return of the jedi and we push to 50 50 as far as I'm concerned and then this scene is like lol No, it's 100 nil and then you have stuff in uh, you know in the in the proof Even if there's a general understanding that storm troopers are generally bad aims It still doesn't exclude the possibility that there's a couple who can be good aim Oh fucking thank christ. Some of them might be able to shoot you, baby Even with bill burrs statement like I like anyway, it's not a big thing Like overall for me. I just these are the reasons why I liked it and I thought I don't really mind people finding it. I don't mind that people found it funny. I mean, I think that's fine The entertainment value that I would be imposing anymore. Storm troopers are forever neutered. Absolutely I care would never imposing especially with this I'm not sure. I don't really agree. I don't really like What do you mean? They massacre the rebels on two different occasions. Yeah, they like they Never felt those things don't go away. It might be might be a return of the jedi. Yeah return of the jedi is very flawed. Unfortunately This is a thing And I don't think that we should go like oh, you know, well, I guess they're shit Yeah, let's just owed the flaws now as actual cannon. It's like what no Yeah, it's like it's a cute little wink wink nudge nudge thing. But again, I uh, I don't think it's a good idea to boil down the main threat of the series So, you know, you know what? I'll this is a microcosm of they made a joke out of hucks in tlj. How'd that work out? And aren't scout troopers supposed to be like the sniper units? Scout troopers aren't the worst. That's for sure. And and yeah, these two guys are Blindingly incompetent. This isn't just simple. They can't even hit. Well, this isn't even They've got more incompetence to come after this bit. Okay. Oh, I have an analogy Okay, I have an analogy actually on Thanksgiving. I had some relatives come in from albuquerque and two of my relatives are like two, um, two cousins who are really young. They're like, um Grade school essentially and I uh, we went to my grandparents house Which is outside of city limits and I do a lot of shooting out there So I brought some of my guns to do some shooting and they wanted to try it out And so with a pistol, right? It's all controlled environment safety and everything like that I walked him through all the basics. They're old enough to do this stuff and after a couple magazines of putting bullets down range at actual cans sitting on the ground one of my young Uh cousins was able to Fairly well hit the can with a Glock In pistols are the hardest thing to shoot that there is So there is no way I'm believing this. I'm I'm not believing this I don't want to believe it I wonder I wonder if it's because like Star Wars is dead to me from the sequel trilogy Why can't it be dead to you with stuff like this? I can't imagine No, because it's already dead So there's it can't do any more harm and I can just enjoy the comedy of it because I have little No investment left in the series. I wonder if that might be Explain my reaction partly because I I found it very entertaining. I laughed at it All right, so anyway Oh, yeah, I want to remind you that they sniped quill so maybe they were just ran him over Had to get really close Uh So yeah, they move on to say that these are the two quotes. I've got to use Uh He marf Gideon killed his own men to lay down the law. He did it to make a point. That's all we get Can we uh, can we just spend like a minute talking about how stupid it is when bad guys kill their own men? Sure, sure That's why I like the scene where it's like, oh, yeah, they ready come Is that now I just Yeah, but I guess I guess I just find it to be it's so annoying as a trope like I don't know what to tell you But like a lot of people who were in charge of militaries that we now look back on and don't like We're still kind of good to their own people How do you instill the confidence of your own men if you kill them when they interrupt you? That's the dumbest shit Yeah, well, I mean in regards to that I like I you honestly don't know what level of brainwashing storm troopers have because Like those two guys standing outside the city in reality if they're like All their mates are being killed by this guy that's coming here like they are ready to come in I just killed a whole heap of iron men if they had any real brains I'd be like screw this where we're leaking it because they'll probably just shoot us for something What I mean is um, but they obviously have some type of conditioning that's causing them to sure I guess I guess my problem is um, I I uh, I've not like called Judy I've I didn't you know called Judy infinite warfare. It's okay if you don't because none of us I I watched um, I watched like five minutes of cut scenes from that Sometime a couple of years ago and at the intro sequence the bad guys like he's just like ha ha You know how I like instill the It's something like do you know why I win and then he just shoots one of his own dudes He's like I don't care about my men and there's another guy there And I'm like dude are you not just out? Yeah, I know Can I reference uh, can I reference buffy season one for me? Let me do it. Okay, so So scenario, all right, and I don't mind spoil. It's not really much of a spoiler anyway They they literally in the first like five minutes of an episode. There's a main villain wants to kill main hero Main villain hires the three They're three vampires. They're very special good killers. They've been known. They're spooky even one of our veteran characters knows them Oh god, they go to attack buffy and uh, she escapes She just escapes. There's no like they're not really defeated I would say they just sort of ran away from until she gets to her house and they can't get in Um, so they go back to evil villain and they're like, sorry man, we couldn't quite get her that time And he's like, okay. All right and kills all three of them Yeah, it's just it's just these are resources guys and not only that but really val Human resources are very different Well, sorry the resources argument is far more applicable because if this empire guy is just living off the dregs And he can't you know replenish his soldiers now killing them then it becomes These are the most loyal the You need every last one of them. You need the ball Yeah, these should be the best one. These are the ones who live. These are the ones who stuck it out Like at any point. Yeah, and and I limits about this And I think we talked about it earlier, but it's worth repeating that. I really wish the show It started to delve into it like the remnants of the empire. Why are these guys sticking around? Why still enlist? Why do they believe in the cause? Yeah, do they believe in the cause are they doing it for pragmatic reasons? Is it just for the paycheck and as soon as they can Again, we don't know what type of brainwashing and conditioning the stormtroopers have they signed up No, but like what's the official canon? I actually don't know because In the sequel trilogy That there's mental conditioning and brainwashing even in the solar movie. Yes. Oh, yeah, he signed up voluntarily Okay, so solo might do it because because it's the sequel trilogy that explained that there's brainwashing and conditioning Yeah, that was probably this this may well be influenced by the fact that I watched a lot of you know Stull I always got the impression that stormtroopers were just people who signed up. Yeah, conscripted I think I think that was um something I got from watching like robot chicken star wars And then you have like stormtroopers just talking like normal people Well, they are normal if you remember in a new hope they're like have you guys heard about There's two stormtroopers who are having a casual conversation with each other. They just sound like dudes in an army In an army. Yeah, I mean like they can have casual conversations are still being brainwashed for loyalty We don't do we ever see that in the sequels at all outside of people who outside of people who've broken the conditioning It might be worthwhile to consider that maybe Oh my god, you're right. That's the only instances when they say nights are red cool Jesus christ star wars Just just for reference. We're the undertakers of this whole thing like we saw we're the like the dissecting Surgeons about all of this. It's just such a disaster. We're the people of whom articles are written about We suffer in silence Well, not on silence, but you know Yeah, we can infer that they're definitely not clones at this point because they're different in No, the clones would definitely be out at this point. And also they're american. So yeah, not clones again though What do you think the writer was trying? Do you think the writer gave up or do you think the writer was trying to make a point by saying They killed their own men to lay down the law to make a point I think the whole idea is he's an intimidating bad guy villain How the easiest way to make your bad guy seem bad is to have him show him killing somebody Yeah, I think that's the thing. It's just very cliche villain stuff. Look, I kill people Well, I was gonna say I want to clarify evil I think it is good to have your villain kill someone but not his own man. That just makes him look like an idiot Yeah, and the easy reference for in stream incompetence or something like that. Not just Exactly They misunderstand right because a good example is Darth Vader killed some guys But it's because they grossly like failed him. They failed him in a way that can't be he also gave them more than one chance If I remember yes, he did But also the killing Vader does Gives opportunity for promotion for other people and so that would actually kind of just get them on board a bit with And the idea is to instill a certain level of fear, but you don't want to just like instill fear for asking simple questions That might actually I'm picturing now like a parody scene with a villain's introduces There's a man lined up. They're always soldiers. He casually breaks the neck during his conversation. He just keeps doing it You're like, why why are you doing this? Oh, I don't know I can't help it. I just killed somebody like you know The fleet isn't just grabs the dude just starts plunging his light separate someone shots with half the fleets in position you know So, yeah Um, the troopers tell Gideon they have the baby and they're not told to come they're just told to sit there I don't well that this uh The call wasn't to Gideon's men It was the men that belonged to the previous guy and there seems to be a breakdown in communication between them and Gideon That's what I got from that Oh, I just assumed that Gideon was enacting his plan and that they need to stay away until it's done But his plan is what I thought that's what was happening. What is his plan? Well, see Gideon still thinks your baby Yoda's a thing and so he doesn't No, Moff Gideon knows what Moff Gideon knows exactly where baby Yoda is Yeah, he eventually no no no no He says in episode seven. He says something like um, it's about to Like be in the the baby isn't with you the reason he told Werner Herzog That gave him the call to say check again about the babies because he knew the baby wasn't there. He knew the baby was with uh I don't know. None of it makes any sense. It's all very strange Oh, that's doubly dumb Oh, yeah, because he didn't know and he didn't have any clones the only not clones The only reason the troopers went after quill is because of the radio call. So how did they? Okay, all right I also I know he talked about it I just love the idea that he's about to open baby Yoda's carriage. He gets a call slowly wobbles over and he says Hey, can you check if the baby's there? So when i g88 shows up they don't immediately shoot him He's like a Shocking a bounty hunter assassins or they even make it clear. They're like, isn't this usually an assassin droid? It's like guys guys What possible reason could this thing be doing to walk up to you kill it and they get really close to it They walk right up to it. Look at what he's He's actually like half an arms length away at this point It's like you did I guess because they're so incompetent. They have to be that close to hit people, right? Makes sense. They know it. They they specifically they expressly state. This is an igu unit. They know what it is Yeah, but then they say like, oh, it's a nursing droid lull. It's like I want to what Yeah, does that look like a nursing droid to you? To me to me this feels like if a crocodile just started walking up to you and it's like Oh, look, it's a nursing crocodile You put the gun right next to their mouth So I want to highlight, right? I'm I'm going to play pauses for the stream. So I gd's grabbed his arm and broken it Keep an eye on the stormtrooper in the background. The other guy doesn't kill him immediately. Shoot him. Not shooting Come on shoot him Still not shoot. He's just he's just like, whoa, how surprising this is happening Yeah, and then he's too close to be able to land the shot. It's really bad, by the way The cgi's pretty yeah, it's pretty weak here Like look at that. That looks terrible. That's a really bad animation Uh, and if these guys are so incompetent, why were they the ones entrusted? And why wouldn't you've told them to immediately come back? You'd be like guys get to us immediately They weren't really entrusted to do that. They just overheard the radio Also, oh, it's very confusing all this work It's pretty crazy that um, these guys couldn't hit a stationary can but we're able to kill quill Who was riding on top of a moving object? Yeah, I said that Yeah, yeah They could have they could have ran alone, but they were able to hit quill She sheds unironic defenses. Maybe they ran him over I just ramped him that'll do the job. It's like they're shooting a moustache You had one job guys So just giving forward to our heroes they discover there is a sewer vent in the bar Why we're in the world Do you have a sewer vent that goes directly into the sewer in your bar? Isn't that like I probably stink up the place What a horrible design to have isn't that similar to the sewer vent in the um holding cell on the death star It even looks the same doesn't that make more sense though that in a prison area You'd have a vent that goes like to to see like the idea that you're smelling up a prison area Yeah, fuck it. Who cares. Who cares if the prisoners smell some weird shit. Are they gonna complain to osha? Also, if there's toilets in this in the in the prison cells, it would make sense. There's a sewer beneath it, right? I mean the only defense I could think of is that it's technically blocked by those, you know chairs and That ain't doing much to stop poopy smells. I'll say that much. I don't know if it's perfectly sealed Those are those are pretty That was sitting on the wall. It's just a chair. Like it's not gonna do that much I don't know if it has a I want you to poop in your downstairs room put a chair on top of it and see if see if your wife notices anything Well, if I if I close the you know the seat on the toilet it blocks the smell off for all right um My the biggest issue is that they can't shoot through the thing when the similar grate is shot through in one shot On and you hope because like I think the grate is The idea that she has this lmg rifle thing and it can't blast through your average sewer grate come Absolutely Um Yeah Yeah, that's what that's what I was thinking. Yeah, it bothers me that gideon is standing in the center of the open without a helmet He could literally remember they said if you kill the leaders, they'll scatter look at that guy Oh, hey look guys the leader just want to just want to make sure you guys are seeing what i'm seeing right? This is just the most blatant like please shoot me No, but see he's an arrogant villain who kills his own men. So of course he stands at the open, you know Um, so why aren't the empire throwing grenades in? Baby, oh, they know baby Yoda isn't in there. So Why because We can't have our heroes be defeated by the stupid idiot stated right now that It is impossible for them to win. Look at how many storm troopers and elite troopers there are but for any none of them can aim properly Yeah What makes the elite troopers better than the normal ones? That they are five percent better at aiming Not even that It's so stupid You have to have every time you shoot a can you get a little mark on your armor and you get to 10 cans Then you can be You're an elite definitely Good job good for you Hey, maybe the empire they are incentivized in you know making you know high training up storm troopers that are mentally handicapped So there'll be more Yeah We'll fix your dexterity skills. You can count on us one can at a time Yeah, um The the the the the the the you have until nightfall. Why? Doesn't make sense. Just chill now. Why? They have no leverage Um, then we get the flashback that shows us everything we've already seen except Like the mandalorian flying away with him at the end, uh, which Is something we probably could have figured out by now But this really to me felt like they had to fill this episode up So the like all this what we'd seen previously Which is what I liked was uh flashes of all this stuff and you could piece it together He'd be like oh, so he was clearly part of a family who were attacked in a war They put him in some kind of container and they were probably killed But we get that like In no uncertain terms in this selection. I was just like okay Again, not a big problem I just feel like it's wasting our time because this finale if you haven't noticed already is very stretched out Like I got the same thing with the uh whole training montage in the last episode with the robot That took really long and you don't really know why until you realize. Oh, they had to fill Which is weird considering that again this this whole season a half of it is is non Like plot a central yeah, they had to rush through at the end to like oh, shit There's a lot of episodes only 30 minutes long. Some of these episodes are less than 40 minutes Out of the flashback. I actually liked that they used one of the droids from the prequel trilogy And actually made them look menacing and like On like I was a nice touch Yeah, isn't it funny that we've reached the point where people are really excited to see prequel stuff in star wars Yeah, but they're just they're just being they're just being uh, that's just canon stuff I want to make you guys aware of a quote from uh from call weathers If he captured the kid we'd already be dead But they had captured the kid. So yeah See And that might actually be from mando I can't remember who says it specifically, but it's just such a stupid quote to put in your episode I like is there a point where moff gideon actually says he has the child because even if he knows that they don't have it He might assume that they've hidden the child away How does he know that they don't have it then if he doesn't know where it is He just I don't know. He knew like it seems like he knows that And are you telling me that the stormtroopers had Coms that could connect them to other stormtroopers, but not enough to connect to gideon really unless maybe Don't get me wrong. There's flaws in it, but It is educated with uh Uh, we're in a hurt's hog The only explanation I could imagine the only explanation I can see is that the elite troopers outside had some thermal thing That they could see into it to see that the baby wasn't in there That's all I can that's all I can think of but even that's a stretch Yeah, because they could be holding the baby to their chest or something and it might not show up like that's way too risky The other thing is if um putting your baby on your chest trying to find out where like If he if he knows the baby isn't in there It's trying to find out where the baby is. He doesn't actually need them to find that out And just get his hands on a fob and they'll be out of oh, yeah Oh my god, I completely forgot about that They have no leverage. They're dead. That's it. That's the end of that. That's it. There's no reason for him to keep them alive Kara nothing that I can offer him. Kara says they might have jammed Uh, their comms Like the good guys comms and it's like wait, that's something they can do. Why didn't they do that to begin with? It's like earlier that would have saved quills life exactly the empire would have accidentally saved quill by doing something that's perfectly normal All right, then So, um, I don't even know if we need to explain this one But uh primary directive to nurse and protect drives into a group of 50 stormtroopers with the baby Like what? I mean I think the baby is literally in a sense of mass dude this shot right here. I've randomly jumped to it And it just sums up uh this moment perfectly That's that's that's what all nurse I was when I had a babysitter when I was really young They'd strap me to their chest all the time and go gunfighting It was a lot of a lot of we had some great times. It was it was great. It builds It is done on so many levels if this droid is working off probability and percentages What is the greatest way to protect the baby take it back to the ship or take it to mandalorian who's in a bunker Like getting yeah, there's an idea. It seems to be aware that the stormtroopers are coming Like like he knows them all the way down. Yeah, yeah As he this is this one is indefensible. It's so funny. It's literally like a meat shield Who needs armor they got a baby it was bad code. It's like he thought the baby should Um what he first arrives He's like does this weird thing where he so you got all these stormtroopers taking aim. There's a lot And all ig does is flip around and you get shot one two three four five and that's it in the chest and it just doesn't do anything And then he does these crazy moves wait, I thought stormtroopers can't shoot look how many stormtroopers there are Oh my god, but they were nailing him while he was moving from that far away on a speeder Nailing him in the chest center mass not regularly. Most of the shots are missing Still shouldn't considering that he's had I mean look you cannot like the stormtroopers aim In the Mandalorian series is indefensible because they miss point blank They missed just so much it's insane. He's standing around walking slowly. How do you miss that? And he had his back towards one and they and they got like intense um So this is there's a problem and that a bit later on which annoys me greatly because but I'll point it out when it comes up So this is becoming a very big trope action scene happens and we have to take it piece by piece because a lot of stupid things happen um Our entire team pour out of their defensive position to start shooting in the open Screw cover Again Yeah, yeah, look look at this pull shot. I've got this is perfect such a great angle. Yeah That's a shooting gallery right there. They could have just offloaded at this point. They're distracted. They're all Frazier sort of ages and she's got a rapid fire blaster one shot from that You know rapid fire blaster machine gun thing should technically be enough to kill a stormtrooper because her armor sucks And so she just offloaded in a straight line in uniforms She exactly and if she just rapid fire in a flat horizontal line She could almost take all of them out with a prrr thing like So that's the first stupid second stupid is when they pour out the stormtroopers decide to send a team To the right side of their building or left side, whichever way you're standing from To break in with grenades or like a sticky grenade thing And then to just assault whoever is remaining inside the place, which is just strange to me. It's like They're all attacking you in the open and you want to go break in and shoot the ones who stayed in Okay, and it's just Cara and if you guys remember She sits behind something going like oh no, they're attacking me way and then she just decides at one point right time to kill them all Yeah, she just kills them all In terms of like creating an action scene. It's just so bizarre to be I was like, oh, she All right, I guess she just decided to win Yeah, good decision Um throughout you get these shots of call weather's just like going boom And people falling over and he just survives the whole thing. I don't know how Just doesn't get shot at I just I just feel like if there were all of these stormtroopers everywhere It's over someone we could shot Someone would get hit standing out in the open like this Yeah, um Then uh, we we find out the Mando so they have this Century turret and I presume it's ammo box is next to it and if you shoot that with one blaster it blows up the whole thing I think this is a significant design flaw like And they bring out that gun they have literally just put down a bomb in the center of their formation That the guys in the bunker at any time a single shot They could have just shot that power, you know box and wiped out everyone. It's like Holy crap. Is that real? You know Yeah, and I'm trying to find a good shot of it, but like Look at that This is the kind of thing that if they had shot this with the 50 stormtroopers outside you probably would have nuked a third of them Yes One shot one shot doesn't yeah And it's just a boom what look at that I just I must feel like if you're accurate enough accurate enough to make that shot. Why don't you just shoot him in his non-armored? Nobody shoots him in his normal out of pause. That's how it works. It's not allowed. I forgot the rules Well, you know, like maybe the armor has some technology that attracts the bolts to the armor instead of the dreams That's Yep Next up Mando's willing to die because he doesn't want to Anyone to see his face. I think that's silly That depends how How did Mando's head get fucked up? He has the armor the best car Like there's no scratch or dint on the helmet. So maybe it was yeah, and yet there are scratches and dents And there's a sharp like no is gonna get through there It's unironically the same criticism we had against batwoman when she fell over with a helmet on that was intact She somehow hit her eye Yeah, we've got the Mando hit back up helmet is like yeah, but that's not a problem because he's got best car armor Yeah, it's all very strange But um, so the argument would be he believes so fully in his creed about how no one should see his face That he's willing to let that kill him And I'm just like I think the whole point would be that his love and desire to keep baby Yoda safe would supersede pretty much anything Also, we've established an episode four. He doesn't really care all that much about people seeing his face He thinks that's that is caring about it But like yeah, I I just think it's bullshit that he's willing to Abandon this mission because he doesn't want people to see his face. It's like, oh come on, dude Uh, also baby Yoda doesn't heal him for reasons Yep. Hey, baby Yoda remember when you that guy fucking killed us and you healed him Could you and then and then comes the bit the hilarious bit? They make this huge deal out of a flame trooper. He's coming. He's big He's got special armor colors and he's got a flamethrower. We're all screwed now He's coming. He stands in the doorway. He's about to blast them all and you just think Okay, what could possibly save them? It's like, well, let's go from lowest to highest Could it be feasible for mando to look to to the flamethrower hold up his pistol and shoot him even though he's kind of delirious like Yeah, possibly give me a little tom hanks. Yeah, why not? Uh, Cara, she's actually perfectly healthy and has access to many weapons. She should probably be able to shoot him Uh, you think And then we get really bad when we know that Carl weathers is looking at the guy and he's holding two pistols And he's just like, oh my god. What do we do? And Carl weathers looks at baby yoda like dude, can you do something about this? Baby yoda, you're already shot dude. Come on Um, and yeah, and then and then of course you've got the nurse droid who's dependent on saving baby yoda at any point It's like he's busy Frazzling the grape but i'm pretty sure he could use one arm immediately to just shoot the guy But nope It's all down to baby yoda. He's got a yeah You would think that with all the stuff we've seen i g 11 do that. This would be just an easy pot shot for him And so, um, yeah, even car is like, I don't know what she's doing in this scene. She's like, oh my god. Look at it. She's like, ah What's happening? Oh my god Oh, no Fire and yeah, so they all they all would have died if baby yoda hadn't used the force here kind of insane to be honest with you Only they had guns to fire back upon them if only And yeah, there's just the basic question of does yoda does he know what fire is? Like does he know that that's something you want to deflect if you know what i mean? Possibly isn't it feasible that the baby is just like oh, that's pretty. Ah, i bird Like maybe is that there's a good chance over the 50 years it has been trying to fire at some point Accident with a stove. Yeah, okay He'll call babies too. That's a right of the droid chooses to stay behind and help mando instead of sticking with the baby I refuse to believe that's a thing Yeah, it's programmed to protect the baby As far as i'm concerned the droid should be like, well, uh, bye, I guess I have to fulfill my programming But instead he's like, I can save you even when mad is about to kill him He threatens to and he's like, please don't do that It's the end of the droid might just convince him that it should be okay. I don't like this seat. I don't like this episode at all Um, then we see his face boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo Um, it's it's also weird. I don't think it was bad that the audience was showing his face That's I don't see that as a Set up for it is a bit silly, of course, but I don't like the reveal here I kind of wish we never saw it ever The most the most I would have wanted is in the season finale is mask is like cracked away or something and we can see I would have preferred that much more I don't know to me it's I like how unconventional it is that we never see the protagonist hero's face like that's cool to and it's just like well End of season one Here it is everyone. He's there. All right. All right Uh, see I don't I don't see it's a negative report like positive. Oh Uh I mean, I'm happy to say it's my preference Didn't boba fat and jango fat didn't they both have like basically space arming caps underneath their helmets We don't know if a boba fat Well, it wouldn't matter anyway because you could just say the mando didn't I guess It's just weird that he didn't have it. You think that the main learning would but all right um Why does it take so long for the empire to follow them if you remember a faction come in after them once they speak to the armismith Where are they? What are they doing? Yeah, well, they I mean, there is a bit of a maze down there could have gone No, I mean right now after the flamethrower guy went in where they're not like hey looks like he failed What stopping them from just walking in now good boy. Yeah got some little bullet points actually that I didn't notice before Why would they why would they burn them out when the imperial snow baby Yoda's in there? Oh, sorry the obvious fucking flaw. They're about to kill baby Yoda at that moment. Yeah Yeah, why why they know baby? Whole season is built on the opposite point Just send in a flamethrower guy to be like just Especially baby Yoda Unless Moff Gideon just wants the corpse to harvest the organs. That's the only Um Stop all right, you know, I'd try the outside but the inside dna. Oh like a hot pocket Yeah, exactly the outside is burnt to a crisp, but the inside is still frozen. Yep Um, uh the next bullet point. How does fire make the flamethrower explode? Just seems like they'd be built to not do that, you know Have some resistance to it. Baby Yoda didn't just deflect the fire rags. It activates Grenade mode Oh, okay. Oh, I forgot about that. Use force grenades. Didn't you know about that one? Idiot I gotta I don't know my cannon. I have to archive more. Um, so Mando is like Given juice so that his head doesn't bleed out, I guess And uh, when we see him he's under Kara's arm and he's limping Until it heals him and then he won't limp anymore So a back to spray. That's like, um, isn't that in the video games? It's like I'm fine with it being a healing agent I don't care about that. I'm talking about the fact that he's got a head injury that's making him limp Oh Um And then by the way, it's like five minutes later. He's not limping anymore. I'm just like, yeah, okay, whatever Heals fast fine Oh Yeah, our favorite moment all the Mandalorians are dead Like what the hell? So so the only thing that I could think of and it's not fully answered because we don't know if the Mandalorian Helmets actually protect them from Say poisonous gas or something because if it doesn't okay, they find the location It's just down this, you know, stairwell on a street and just pump it full of gas and kill a shillow She wasn't there dude, dude, she totally hid she ran away. Yeah This was this was like a hell moment. It's like no chance if they actually tried to fight one on one Why didn't they leave? Why did yeah, why we assumed that they all left because that's the I know that I assumed that as well. I was like, what? Well, I guess they moved on to a new planet. Nope. They're dead Dead and then they're like, how much of that armor is supposed to be best scar? I don't fucking know. Even if it was even if it was unarmored Mandalorians versus The stormtroopers who don't have armor essential or a competent as hell still Yeah, like It's baffling how They could try and say that these, you know Incompetent stormtroopers are capable of beating Mandalorians in the fire It's like you're like the only way I could think they could possibly try and justify it Is if they had insane overwhelming numbers or something like that or uh, they gassed them out or killed them You know in their sleep or something like that. It's weird So they're all dead Yeah And then purposefully it is his fault, but it's not his intention that that happened It's a natural result that he knew what you expected. Yeah, I get that. I'm not sure he's guilty Uh, but he he instead blames carl weathers, which is hilarious because he did to carl weathers What he's accusing carl weathers of having done to him, which isn't the truth This this at this moment is what solidifies my dislike of mando as a character I don't like him. He's an ass and he's not very competent either Um, you got carl weathers who he had a happy position in being a middleman between bounty holders and bounty hunters And this guy comes along and you're like you give him the best option ever in terms of a bounty He's gonna he's gonna pay him a lot of money and he back stabs you by not only taking the money But then uh taking the bounty for himself and he kills you as far as he's concerned You're he's surprised to find you're alive Uh, you were lucky you had your money in your pocket So his his blast didn't kill you and then uh the mandaloreans that fucked you and your guild over by the way Killed all of your bounty hunters or at least a significant portion of them Um, they got obliterated by the empire while you've been under the empire's thumb now Thanks to mando screwing everything up and then mando accuses you of having killed these guys After mando's the reason that you lost your entire guild and your position as guild's middleman like it infuriates me It's like, do you know what you did to him and you don't even seem to care Yeah, not a single moment of remorse. I they're just all right I guess they're all dead and this is a direct result of a choice that I made that I knew not to mention how that's just too stupid to leave I mean, we kind of discussed a bit of the interaction of what mandalorian did to car workers when he you know Backed out of the bounty thing because I don't think mandalorian was in the moral You know wrong in protecting baby Yoda and betraying the bounty hunter guild Um, uh, and so I don't think too much, you know Why guilt should fall on mandalorian for that action in you know, in its own context Um, we can't just do that like they have loads of systems and rules in place by doing what mando does It has severe repercussions for everyone who may or may not agree. There's the right thing to do at the time But saving one life at the cost of many other lives And this is the same as that he doesn't do anything differently when it comes to him saving you Yeah, he was supported by the mandalorians That was basically shown by them backing him up and and protecting him And also the uh, the smith lady who says you're she's i'm talking about the guild right now not even the mandalorians Okay, well, you know the guilds they're doing bounty hunters to get innocent babies and stuff They're not morally good people. I don't think it's a bad thing that mandalorian No, yeah, no I'm suggesting that mando's choice because he's entered into a contract to be a part of the guild What he does is going to have severe consequences for a lot of other people's lives It it does loads people die as a result of his choice. I'm not even talking about the mandalorians yet That's another part of this whole responsibility thing. I find it Ridiculous that he's taking a moral outrage with carl weathers who carl weathers this whole time has just been trying to survive I don't think he wants to kill babies. It's just bounties non-descript the whole point of the guilds you don't ask any questions Yeah, but that's not a moral carl weathers didn't even like about He didn't even know it was a baby Yeah, I'll hang on Bounty hunter system is basically already predicated on the fact that you could be grabbing an innocent person Just based on the bounty and so these are it is not a moral system at all We don't know what the guild we don't know what jobs the guilds take Well, the fact that they took one from the like an imperial and outlaw It means No, but the Okay, I think we're missing the point here. Mando's Mando's entered into the agreement. He is on board. They are a society a group They have rules Mando's agreed to them and then he just betrays them when he decides that it's morally right to As much as he may be wrong or right that fucks over everybody else in the group If you if you didn't want to engage if you didn't want to engage and potentially Ibaral acts then go away It would have been better. You would be weighing up. You would have to weigh up He didn't do it. He didn't do that for a moment. He he stabbed them in the back in in a second He didn't care. That's what bothers me. Carl Weathers. It seems to just be like a Contract deliverer Hang on. No, he did have to weigh it up because he actually delivered and then it was obviously Well, no, that was his job. He just decided no, I'm gonna take it back Actually, he was in a matter of in a conflict obviously, please don't tell me you're actually arguing that's a moral good He got the money and his items and then he took the baby back He got so basically like the baby. It would have meant It would have meant so much more if he gave up the armor for the baby But no, he actually got his armor forged and then he got the baby back Yeah, well what taking money out of the hands of corrupt any bad imperials or like that doesn't seem I don't think we Want to go that way with morals? Well, no, like these are criminals. That's what we call blood money No, no, they're criminals and they're outlaws and stuff and so screwing over criminals and outlaws is not equivalent to screwing over, you know Honest and law-abiding citizens, you know, the rebels are criminals and outlaws, right? Yeah, but one obviously had a moral, you know, uh, justification the imperials don't know that the the imperials are Bad and evil that just goes without saying and so again, that's not a direct equivalence And so there it is a different thing Yeah, but I'm using in the context criminals and outlaw Yeah, I'm using in the context that they're criminals and outlaws because they're imperials and they're a moral And he went but going going back to my point When he went back to say baby Yoda, he knew what he was doing and he just went right in and did it He didn't give like anyone a heads up. He didn't Prepare and this isn't you're making it you're appealing a lot to morality The only reason he saved Yoda's because he saw himself in it Do you know the amount of immoral things Mandalorian's probably done up to this point is very numerous? Do well that's an assumption. We don't know. Yeah, that was your point. I agree with it The thing is because yeah, like at this point It seems like most of his bounties were just grabbing. Oh, it seems that way. Does it he wouldn't know would he? That's the one that we see. I don't know it is an assumption But neither would he he's told who it is and where they are and you'll get buddy for it How is this a moral job? It's only now that he decides that he's not Because we were given an indication of the types of jobs he had taken when he handed in those first bounties that these were like what they were um debt they were Had a you know A debt or something like that and I was skipping out on bail or something like that that he was actually supporting a type of you know, um, I thought you agree that bounty hunting is immoral And then they can take it they they can take immoral jobs given and he does that after he saves baby Yoda Yeah, I agree and so but then he decides that that's not good No, he he follows through with it. That was the last episode we covered was episode six He goes to free a prisoner That the rebels have Okay. Yeah. Good point. Good point. Yep for money by the way for money Yeah, he needs the money. So we're just gonna free prisoners and this is coming but all the way back to my point Which is he's not definitive about his moral system He simply decided this is too far and he's screwed over the entire guild because he's decided that this bounty is too far Yeah, and I think that's a fair decision and this is why I'm so annoyed at him for Ripping into Carl Weathers when all Carl Weathers has had to do this whole time is try and figure out how to stay alive That's all he's been trying to do Yeah, but my point is it's not an equivalent thing because Mandalorian obviously has loyalty and uh, you know It cares for the Mandalorians and he has fileless care and he doesn't hold their bounty hunters who are general I agree. He's an asshole more corrupt. No, it's just that um He's obviously holds the Mandalorians in far more value than the bounty hunters. Just I agree. He's an ass What are you talking about like because you're trying to say that His actions and causing the death of the Mandalorians are bounty hunters Often the idea that he's a bounty hunter the idea that he's like, oh the guild those bounty hunters One's his family and one is is not Sorry, one follows a creed That he follows One group is legitimately his family Oh, but one group is legitimately Any remorse or anything when he finds out his family's been killed Well, he's pretty angry when he's pretty angry with call weathers because he for some reason believes Immediately the call weathers is the one who did it even though he did this very action to call weathers himself Yeah, but that's not an equivalent thing because one is his family and one is not So why would he be bothered about the bounty hunters? You're trying to say that is not justified of being bothered about the death of the Mandalorians If they're his family first off, he gets over it super quick and he blames someone who has nothing to do with it And someone that if anything should be pissed at him Look, I'm not saying his right to blame call weathers because it's not Carl's fault It's the Imperials but he's trying to ascribe blame and he assumes it might have been Carl Which is why he like did you do this? It doesn't seem unreasonable and then it says no and then all right. We're fine. It's family's dad. It's all right It's all good. Oh and and that additional part. I agree probably should be showing a lot more remorse By the fact that everyone's dead I just hate the fact that Mando has no idea What he's done in this whole season. He just thinks he's a good guy It's as simple as that. He's not really got much accountability at all for all of his actions Well, see, I don't think he needs to feel remorse for the death of the bounty hunters But feeling remorse for his family the Mandalorians, of course I wish he did More for more than two minutes Oh, yeah, I thought for it for the Mandalorians completely agree not so much for the bounty hunters Why would they have digitaled this stuff when they've kept this the empire? Yeah, how much of it is beskar is my question. I don't even know that it matters if it's beskar or not It's just useful armor It is But if some is beskar that means it's like Super valuable. Yeah, you'd obviously check them all you'd think I mean, that's again You would think that in a universe where people would want to protect the lives of themselves and their soldiers that armor would be of value But apparently that's a fantasy world that isn't this But he protected the cute muppet. So he's the good guy Hey, hey, it is baby Yoda. I can't what do I know it says Mando is now responsible for the deaths of many children. Thanks. I hate it You would think that if he Was gonna go in there to save baby Yoda Dude, he would do something dude Mando's responsible for the deaths of several potential like foundlings All right, so I wonder about that because it's odd that the Mandalorians didn't leave. They knew that they were No, I just want like this was seasons about that Like yeah, yeah, it obviously was caused by Mandalorians actions But the guild seemed to have supported him in that decision. That's a very important distinction right there and so Why didn't they leave to protect themselves as well now that they knew that they'll Like I don't want to understate how much this should weigh on him this scene Yeah, I think it should weigh on him a lot more than it's showing. I agree there. Um I'm talking like he's at like a two when he should be at like a 90. Yeah, like There were many children when we saw the scene with this this community Does he even ask about him? Nope Well, he's I don't think so about him in the first step. Oh, wait. Wait, uh, she the smith says that some may have Gone away. That's what she says, right? Oh The five says maybe as well And yeah, someone just said didn't Mando say they had to move the tribe in episode two or three I just said did they forget it's like apparently I guess that's a big question of mine after they supported me No, why didn't they move they should have Well out of this place Yeah, we're just which is again why Scribing all the blame on Mandalore, I think is not really fair When the guilds what the Mandalorian supported him and then they just chose to stick around and get killed. It's not all of it It's just sure it's not all of it Okay, good. Say everybody gets a piece of the dumb pie I think it's hilarious. The armor smith is incredibly casual about the fact that all of those people are dead Her entire culture is essentially dead. At least I always exist here. And why why is she still here? How yeah, I wonder how much I wonder how much Mandalorians Think death as a bad thing about their creed, you know, they're all about this is the way and stuff And so I feel like if they didn't think death was that bad they wouldn't wear our No, no, but that goes the same with like samurai culture who you know Felt death was one of the greatest achievements ever So it's not like that they seek after it, but they don't necessarily mourn it Especially the practice of seppuku. So we have examples of the real world in warrior societies Well, that'd be great if it was in the over death as much as other societies I'm not saying it's a universal thing. There are obviously exceptions and some unique circumstances that would cause them to mourn death more than other times But if they have a cultural practice and tradition where death is can be glorious, especially in combat That can be justified why she's not as cut up. Yeah, but like everyone Like you expect to be some survivors to carry on the culture Well, she said some Maybe some made it out. It's like maybe maybe maybe the massacre wasn't totally 100 percent Um Yeah, I uh, I just think it's funny that she's still here. I don't I don't know why I guess she was waiting for Mandalorians to show up so she could give him a jetpack Trinkets with her board. I thought she was just salvaging the fear of special armor For who? I don't know the future rather than Mandalorian 30 none price How come that is what she's doing? She's literally she's literally picking up the armor pieces as she goes So the stormtroopers put him in a well. Thank goodness the stormtroopers just don't seem to care about the armor And she's just gonna salvage it question mark. That's bizarre. I know I like that's really Seems it seems like she's playing with fire quite literally, uh by being here Yeah, you'd think that there would be stormtroopers here guarding all this stuff Like taking inventory of all this stuff making sure they got everybody Yep, but just no one here. They just like oh, I guess we're done Um, she just says that like he's got to deliver baby Yoda to its home world and he's like, okay That wouldn't stop the fobs at all. So I don't know why Now this means that they'll find The all the other yotas Mando's gonna get another whole culture destroyed No, but Mando doesn't question this because he's fucking idiot Simpleton and he doesn't say well won't this lead them to all the baby Yoda people And you know what? So there is another Yoda In the prequels, isn't there? Isn't there like another Jedi? He's on the Jedi council in the first one. So Like they're the race Like the republic must have known about the race. It wasn't this big mystery or something Um, so it's a bit confusing as to something has been lost over time about It's like, you know, well outside of the Mandalorian, there was nothing particularly special about the Yoda race It's just that Yoda was a good Jedi amongst them um Stormtroopers finally catch up took them some time drama. It's like, oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god Then iG 11 just kills them all. It's like, oh, okay I've dealt with them. They did. Yeah, the I just want to say this the way Seems really retarded. Yeah, I agree, but it is the way It is the way you're a weed a question. Sorry fucking way. I find it hilarious. She took the time to Sorry, we know very little about the way like what are you finding dumb about just you can't ever take your helmet off in front of anyone else It's very impractical, isn't it? It's like it's stupid. It's dumb Yeah, it'd be hard to try and figure out how that would develop naturally out of a cultural kind of tradition As just a society of extremely ugly people it naturally I can't stand looking at you get this helmet on while you're while you're bathing While you're talking just everything that you do is just like it evolved out of a kinky I want you to hold that this helmet Um, uh, so we have the stupid fight with a blacksmith lady. No, no Roll it back. Roll it back. She gives him the jetpack just casually Oh, yeah, I have the um, what did mando do to earn the signet? He's why everyone's dead for the most part And not to not to mention. Why are we spending so much time giving him a fucking icon for his shoulder? Like really? Yeah How is this not analogous to the batwoman thing in episode three where she goes and gets her head done while everyone's dying God damn it. I'm a hero and a hero's got to look fly And then and then he just gets handed a jetpack and it's like, uh, cool You're gonna have to earn this jetpack. It might take you a long time Oh Here I'll give it to this random robot. I mean at least it's not gonna be incredibly useful moments from now, you know Because that would be convenient. Yeah, especially if he was like an expert at it I don't know the jetpack thing was for shadowed enough that you know, the Mandalorians have it That's what that's what you call foreshadowing is Mandalorians have a jetpack there for foreshadowed Yeah, but he says he wants to get one and you know, what is clearly a spare one now And he's he gets why the hell didn't he have one already? He's the best bounty hunter in the parsec and he's the one that's allowed out right now We're all other Mandalorians have to stay below Why wouldn't he have a jetpack jetpacks and they're underground. Where are they gonna do? Give him the jetpack. It's so stupid. It hurts Well, he's got one now I'm glad Um, they don't go with um The they don't go with ig to kill the stormtroopers. He just yeah, he just he nailed kills all the stormtroopers He does stormtroopers are worthless. Um, there's only remember once he's killed those there's about I want to say 12 left something like that Um, why not why goes to the super duper lava adventure instead of just going back up at this point Well, yeah, I wonder because they've gotten through a decent number of them and then the the robot kills a number of them and Yeah, dude, even the Amos myth can beat them six to one She should they should just send her out to deal with well you've established that stormtroopers are worthless Asterisk, so they don't just they could go out the other way and just ig is worth 10 000 stormtroopers Just agreed And it's almost like I feel at this point the the empire should have just invested in ig units Yes, I seem far better, don't they? Yeah, I mean almost Stormtroopers are worthless Yeah, and she gets she gets her badass moment But everyone getting their badass moments means that this and the stormtroopers getting their incompetent moments means that there's no stakes for me I don't care everybody's I don't yeah, I care. I know stormtroopers don't mean anything And they things only happen because the plot wants them to happen After we if we've just said that by the way they have that line where they're like you got any better ideas than Riding on this stone in a river of lava. It's like yeah, go back up Yeah, I feel like the gondola ride down the lava river sort of limits your options So also in the um the blacksmith fight to see crack open a stormtroopers With a hammer. Yeah, well because that's amazing armor It's it's basically the armor is the costume It's like that. It's it's useless It is so but how she overpowers all these people And it's there are six of them with guns. I think one of them tries to like stab her with a gun Yeah, I just don't even I just don't even I don't even This is retarded Uh, I find it funny that uh the lava is like clearly A stream Like it's going one way and they think for some reason that the gondola operator can decide whether or not they go forward or back With his stick I'm I'm curious what the gondola operator does It's got a stick And they think that the stick is deciding look at look at the way it flows Look at the way it flows Yeah, if the current isn't strong and you can reach the bottom of the flow You could use the stick to pull yourself in the opposite direction I don't think that droid's got any hope of being able to to drive them does look pretty big and heavy though Well, let's put it this way even if the droid was capable of getting him the other direction Why the fuck does cara shoot it? Yeah Because it's not listening to her she gets upset which makes you think droid made me a little angry It makes you think like okay take the stick off it and use it yourself Unreasonable outbursts of rage randomly. I'm just wondering is it that time of the month? Saks saks tizems I'll be doing that So I like that she shoots the boat free and it just luckily doesn't fuck up the entire boat Do you remember this they're like oh, yeah, she shoots it to get it. It's like she shoots it while holding a baby by the way Go badass I think so anyway, it's the package that the baby's in right all right So they could free the boat, but they couldn't shoot through the grate. All right Not to mention the you can shoot the boat free But lava doesn't affect the boat You can shoot the boat free, but the boat is lava proof. Okay Yeah, and I like that they ask when uh It just just just like This this this comes into the whole thing now. So what is the plan? We're heading toward about 10 stormtroopers. What are our options? And it's like Oh, I I think why don't they IG can just go out and kill them all Well, he does but he self-destructs to do so for some reason. Oh, that seems like I don't you should just shot him with his blasters. Yeah, I agree That would have been the body count is arguably triple digits at this point I think you should just give him a blaster and say you're bulletproof basically go out there and just shoot them all But they don't start arbitrary because one hit to the head took him out before as well They say he said they say like uh, he's gonna take him out and they say you don't have that kind of firepower It's like first of all, we know that he does Like I don't even know what universe you're in like he definitely has that kind of firepower Um, and they say and he says victory through combat is impossible. It's like what? Where have you been? We've defeated four times. What's out there? Like what do you mean? He did literally ride into how they're 50 or something I feel like they need to fully think about their options. Remember Mando has a jetpack So he could fly out distract them for you. Yeah, you're wearing impenetrable armor too So you don't need to worry not not that you should worry because stormtroopers can't hit for shit anyway You had options here. I'm sorry. You had options Lucky ig can withstand lava Yeah, that doesn't melt. Well, I mean like that one I was willing to give a pass on it because it like is presumably made out of something stronger than regular steel like Juris steel and we don't know how easy that melts in life. So I was like, I don't know This part infuriates me the troopers don't shoot him for ages And then I guess worse he reveals his self-destruct and then they all put their guns down So I just like everything's backwards. First of all, you shoot in the second you see him That's that's what you do. But no, they're like, oh, this is interesting. Look at this droid Um, I'm trying to military grade bounty hunter droid He's just walking out Yeah, it reveals his thing and oh, let's put our guns down. It's like, whoa, why would you show me this? Just just explode. Jesus Oh, that's a oh what it's blinking red and it's gonna self-destruct put your guns down everybody It is insane Oh a head meant wool just said, uh, couldn't they have taken the bomb out of ig and just like throwing it I Even got close Mando could have just grabbed it and thrown it out there. Well, if you remember Mando's got his little bombs I couldn't even use them. Why didn't he use one of those? He has so many options. Just throw one or two while you zoom out with your jetpack And yeah, the the the explosion kills all the troopers and we're done only one guy left Literally So Gideon starts shooting at them even though they have baby yoda and the whole fucking point of this season Is to collect baby yoda alive Well, no, the bounty was to bring him alive or dead. Oh, the the If you want DNA, maybe you could scrape it off the You're searching the larvae will get some Yeah, a little charred And yeah, and just the preference is alive. They they made that clear Okay, uh I'm pretty sure Mando's arm should have broken off when he was uh attached to the ship and getting pulled along Hero hero plot protection. That was a lot of instant like full. Yeah Hero strength suddenly Hero strength, but I mean oh look that is something to see what in most hero movies You are not holding on You're getting whipped around by uh Tie fighter spinning around you are no no you are No, you're out that one I don't have too much of the issues is being heroic and heroes can do your amazing feats and so that one's easy Making that argument It's true though. We see that in so many movies and tv shows It's just a standard that it's easier to accept that heroes doing hero What do you mean? Yeah, that you don't get you don't get magical protection because you're the protagonist We talked about this extensively in the last Yeah, no, I don't but I thought we settled on the whole idea that you select the protagonist because they're special Not that the protagonist is special because they are the protagonist No, that's a chicken egg argument It's not a chicken egg argument No, that's not the The protagonist is no in-depth with special abilities. What do you think plot armor is? Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is the thing and that's what I was saying before is Plot armor is always going to his eastern history. It's a matter of you can sell it believably. No No, yes, there is it. No, there is it your job as a writer is to make the illusion that it's not there But everything is lost. No, no thing is real heroes exist. No We're not talking about reality. We're talking about a story Everything is contrived in a story because you're making it up So your job as a writer is to create the illusion that it feels believable. Okay That's the whole point and so everything is going to be plot armor It's a matter of if you can make it bad or good and your job as a good writer Is to make it believable and for it to not yeah We might be getting bogged down in definitions because you might think plot armor is universally an unacceptable thing Then it's only plot armor when it isn't believable Plot armor is when the character basically is saved by the plot because they otherwise would have been killed Okay, so Honest question shadow. Have you ever watched or experienced a story where there wasn't plot armor? Um, because everything is plot if I'm using the definition of when you're constructing a story Protagonist actions then Like for for instance the capacity that a main character is strong enough to fight You know one-on-one fight that he doesn't get killed and is able to beat his opponent That is technically a type of plot. All right Protecting him, but it's justified more by the fact that he's capable of doing it If you win through his own merits, he doesn't need that's not plot armor Okay, so then we then we're just using different definitions because it seems like Um, well, but couldn't I use yours? I could extrapolate a lot from yours ray one because she has plot armor Yeah, and that would be a bad case of using it You can't just say like that's bad. This is okay No, but because you can take it on a case by case and figure out Which is more justified in the narrative for them to survive But it is a narrative. It is a plot and so ultimately it's always going to be In the universe In the universe Yeah, yes, the universe is a real universe Hang on. You're talking about the starless universe What we're talking about in stories in general is the idea not the protagonist The idea is that if No, but in this mandalori and he absolutely is the protagonist No, no, no, no, wait, hold on. The the point that's trying to be made is the idea that when you when you're telling a story the idea is The idea is to convince somebody that it's real and so effectively the way that you're treating it is This is a story that is We are presenting the and I just because proper definitions of is like You're not trying to convince the real that's real because obviously everyone knows it's not real Your job is to make it believable and feel real. That's I think what I'm trying to get at is the idea that like When we talk about the story But you're not meant to be thinking a guy sat in his office and wrote this down It's meant to be like a gateway into a world that could exist and in star wars That there is no like protagonist if like the star wars universe existed There is no protagonist like there are characters who inhabit it. The protagonist is from our perspective They're the person who's been selected to be the the focal point of the story So like mandalorian is not a protagonist He's a guy and from our perspective. He's the protagonist because it's his show that we're watching But if if we treat it like it's real, he's no more special than anybody in particular He's just I disagree completely. You can make protagonist more special based on training up bringing, you know Because you can choose to give a character those backgrounds qualities to give them more special abilities because you've chosen them to be the protagonist And so that's that point is just one of those things lacks an universe explanation One of those completely outside of the universe. No, no, but you were trying to say that you uh Like this is why the chicken-egg thing is weird to me that you're even arguing the point because You're saying that you will not ascribe unique qualities to a character because they're the protagonist Because they have the unique qualities the idea is that you're trying to treat the characters Like they're real people who existed before you decided to make the story So i.e. Mandalorian is a guy who has these certain abilities and things like that And he is going to be the main character of our story not all right. Mando is going to be a main character So let's figure out what we're trying to you know set up is out The idea I think wait, wait, let me let me try I want to try something so if we were to if if we were able to have everything in earth was recorded from the start To the end whatever we get a ghost cam we follow Christopher Lee from life to death and we make you know All of it is we cut out the boring bits and we line it up to be narratively relevant And then we've completed it we we process it and we make a story out of like an actual movie You wouldn't like say for example, he does something amazing in world war two Uh in some way shape or form and you're like he did that because he's the protagonist We'll be like well. No, no, no, he's got like loads of training. It's all justified. This is all very real This actually happened. He's not the protagonist of earth. He's a guy. Yeah, but yeah But that's that really happened. I'm talking about a story that you're constructing scratch And you're trying to say that what I'm gonna believe is that like the reason why this argument doesn't work Like of course you can choose to give a character unique traits based on the fact that the protagonist is a writer And to disprove your thesis all you need to do is have someone do that Somewhere in history and still write a good story and of course that can happen Yes, it's because they're protagonists like this will work better if the protagonist will have these I'm less concerned with that part. I'm more concerned with you're willing to give passes to people like Mando for doing Ridiculous things because they're the protagonist. That doesn't even make sense No, that's um Mandalorian's had more training. Okay, that's different. What you're arguing is that's a different argument entirely Yeah, but general like that's to me is very much the same argument because no, it's not It's a completely different argument because when I say he's the protagonist I'm saying is if like it's a given fact Generally, it is that they are more exceptional than the average person and not necessarily Not necessarily, but in most cases and especially Mandalorian's case He is generally more exceptional than the average stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. You're using a completely different argument now We're talking about he's achieved something that's physically impossible for his Species and you're like he's the protagonist. That's got nothing to do with what training he has Yeah, but in general, you know storytelling and stuff like that You can get away. Um, if you can execute it, right For the hero to get away with things that should generally and realistically be physically impossible No, but I think sometimes You can sometimes get away with it. No do it And correctly you think that that's it's never the case because I don't think Until until improved wrong. No I don't know. I feel like there are I feel like there would be many movies You have watched where the protagonist has done something that should be physically impossible that you didn't even notice as a Floor That would be that would be on me If rags pointed out in like Buffy or whatever and then I'd be like, oh, yeah, that is a problem That this is this is good because you've accepted that it does happen. Okay, and that if you don't know It's not because you but this is my point If if you if you can pull it off in a subtle way that is not gonna throw people out of the story and And then it can enhance the story You can be justified in make choosing that option for the effect that it can give I can make that justification for any kind of floor Yeah, but sometimes you can justify something for the awesome factor if it works sometimes The knife disappeared in tlj because if it didn't she would have died That's a clear one. It's a clear one where it doesn't. Okay. No, it does. She would have died and she's the protagonist We can't have that happen Yeah, or you could just not have the you know dagger in the hand the first place. No, it doesn't matter She's the protagonist so it's fine. You can do things that are impossible She can survive impossible scenario. No, no. All right. So an example of Contrivances that keep the protagonist alive when luke is trying to get off the death star. Okay This is justified very easily that there are enough ships somewhere that There's a ship he can find to get away But ultimately that will be a contrivance because it's the choice of the rider to decide that there were enough ships It's not contrived at all. No. No, it's perfectly reasonable Easily it can just as easily be chosen by the rider that all the ships were damaged and he was too late before they Everyone had it, you know, that would be contrived What do you mean? There's no reason to assume the entire hangar bay has exploded. Why would that have happened? That would take too long to get from whereas in the throne room to the hangar bay before it explodes Why would that be the case? Emperor palpatine must have a system in place to get him out of there quick if he needs it Are you sure? Why not? Wouldn't it be more contrived from not to? But see no, I don't think you know where the throne room is and however long it takes to get around the death star Luke doesn't know he doesn't have a blueprint of the place So it would be easy for him to get lost and so the thing is when you make decisions like that It's not a problem because it's easy to justify But if we're going to be honest about that's not the same as mandalorian surviving impossible sadarios If we're being honest about the nature of storytelling is that everything is a choice from the writer Okay, and the the goal of the writer is to um Make things believable even though ultimately none of it is fine, but that's not how anyone colloquially uses the term contrived We're talking about okay. Well, then maybe I'm using the wrong I think maybe I'm using the wrong word terminal. I think you're using the term that should be arbitrary possibly possibly I guess like I don't really if it's um I You know, I don't want to when I'm when I'm consuming a piece of media think somebody wrote this I want to be thinking that it's something that actually happened all of the flaws. We've been highlighting I've been trying to offer like they did this so that they could have this and when I say they Someone you should be like what do you mean they it's like I'm obviously referring to the writers Yeah, that's that's the problem is like whenever something like this happens It takes me out of it because when I'm when I watch like saving private right and everything is just working It doesn't feel like I'm watching a movie It feels like I'm following the story of these characters who could have really existed and could have really gone on this journey I like yeah, they don't get hit sometimes when You know, they might have been able to get hit But like that's that's just you know, that happens that could happen. That's feasible to me Yeah, yeah The thing is yeah This is my point the thing is they've been able to make that believable But ultimately for instance when in saving private right and we're there Trying to take the That hill where that has the bunker there and one of the guys get shot The fact that the writer chose that one of the minor characters got shot and not the main character like tom hanks Is a choice from the writer ultimately if i'm using it right Is that that is a contrivance because a choice from the writer and it's no it's a type of pot armor But it's a believable So the difference Is that the difference is all of them could have survived all of them could have died Two of them could have died four of them could have died one of them could have died any of all of these are possible The writer has complete freedom mando surviving being pulled along by a tie fighter from a wire This is not happening his arm is broken at best Um, yeah, look, I'm not saying it's not a stretch. I've never said that but I'm saying it's easier to accept Yeah, exceptional things when it's a uh, particularly trained or exceptional person. Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna knock your suspension disbelief is entirely on you Yeah, and so I guess it might be how you approach it individually going back to the saving private iron thing where it could be anyone My whole point about the plot armor thing was that technically that is a type of plot armor You were protecting the protagonist from getting shot in by a purely Like arbitrary decision by the writer that he doesn't want their main main character be killed at that point That is a type plot armor But it's believable and it's so easy to accept and you're able to maintain the illusion There's a lot of stuff that works in favor of that a captain is going to be yeah A captain's going to be better at fighting in a war than like a medic So it's not like it's totally unsubstantiated. It's not like It's far more believable So this is my point if you can justify plot r it can work It's not plot armor It's already justified that not everybody on the beach gets shot. It's not plot See, I don't know because if it's an element of the plot that is a choice from the writer And the only reason why the main character is not dying is a choice from the writer um I think yeah It'll come down to our definition plot armor because if you think plot armor only is defined by an unacceptable Protection or then my you know an impossible or harshly unlikely protection i.e. you know if somebody if the main character is like two feet away from an explosion and they live It's like wow if you weren't the main character you probably would have died You know, it's that kind of thing. That's what we all use it for just snaps you out of it Okay, see it's not I don't know Just just something never doesn't in any moment happen to a character that isn't bad doesn't mean it's plot It's not plot armor when a character is walking down a forest and a tree doesn't fall on them See, I don't like when I hear plot armor I have generally like in this context I was thinking things that protect the character due to just choices in the plot and I was applying it that way And so if you'd like to find it your way, then what I'm saying doesn't apply at all. So basically So contrivance means for our purposes contrivance means a device especially in literary or artistic composition Which gives a sense of artificiality It's the thing that breaks you out of it the thing that makes you go. Oh, yeah, this was made by somebody Yeah, this isn't a real mistake. This is a story. Do you feel that? Yeah, do you feel that there's a element of subjectivity to what you do? What is determined? What breaks a person out of it? Um, they can be well, it just depends on what we're specifically talking about What breaks them out of it is for sure, but if the character does something that's impossible Then it doesn't really matter what I think because Yeah, but if um, uh, you're able to pull it off in such a way that it doesn't break most people out of the story And it enhances it in some other way That might be a an appropriate exchange or sacrifice to get the coolness I think you can get coolness without breaking these things in almost every scenario it's ever used That's that's what good writing is I mean, yeah, that's that's what every scenario good writing is good writing is when you manage to find a way to make something really Yeah, unless you're talking about because remember they're only in those scenarios because there are other elements to There are other elements to writing that you need to get a like expediency and stuff like that If you can achieve a cool factor by doing something simple and it's it pushes the limit But it doesn't break it and most audiences will be fine I guess uh, my question would be shad do you would would you disagree that it wouldn't be better in every instance? To do something that makes sense and is still cool as opposed to something that doesn't make sense But it's cool. Would it always be preferable to go? You need to take it out. Yeah. No, I agree. You need to take a case by case and determine it on an individual thing If you can always do it. Yeah, if you can but sometimes it it might be more expedient and or it will take too much Well, I don't know But you've written them into that scenario They're only I know I know because you've been they've been placed there arbitrarily So if they're in a situation where you can't get them out of it without appealing to change it A contrivance or a plot armor or something like that then And this is no small feat by the way This is an interesting but this is an interesting scenario. So say you're in that And the only way that you could fix it is by rewriting most of the story or or it If or if you can fit in a way to protect the protagonist Yeah, like even in a cool way or something like that that pushes the limit It might draw some people but most of the people it'll be fine All right, that might be a valuable exchange that you could be willing to make if it saves you from having to rewrite half of the story Bloody hell rewrite half the story What happened the major to do that Well, hang on hang on there are times when you're writing a story and you're you know Over halfway through and you can run into something that is fundamentally broken. Trust me. It happens I mean, yeah, I'd say the harsh I was gonna say the harsh reality is you're gonna have to commit to rewriting Yeah, no, sometimes you can salvage it and you don't ruin the story in any measure It might it might push it might Yeah, no At the thing is if this is only one small potential flaw and the rest of the story is really really good That's an exchange that can be appropriately made then go back to it starts being good Then yeah, I guess that's the thing is I just disagree like fundamentally for me whenever I'm approaching a writing issue If I can't fix it, then yeah, like it's got to go like that's just how it is for me Like it's just got to go if it can't be fixed Um, but that that's that's different in terms of methodology because that's not really like whatever methodology somebody decides This one's not like a small representation of mando strength like this allows him to defeat giddy and the boss of the season Does he not does he boost in the direction to kind of reduce the whiplash? He like he shoots the thing and then he gets dragged along I would need to see it to see yeah, but that is a defense You know a small boost that you might not even be able to see Yeah, he's just getting It's kind of funny actually Yeah Look at him his arms are coming off of his well hang on hang on hang on if if we go back You could actually measure the acceleration force from where he's stationary and then I'll be interested to get a scientific breakdown, but um Is there joints in the armor or mesh told to the yellow there are ways people could try and justify the effects for it And ultimately and ultimately ultimately I don't think it is like fear a lot of people. I don't think it's a episode breaking event that Most people think yeah, we're not This is important like even if you're just trying to say that this is an objective flaw Okay, as the writers they might have been willing to make that trade if it's cool and stuff And I'm not trying to objectively I was gonna say that that's a lot of the reasoning for why things happen in the sequel trilogy is that it looks cool Oh, yeah, yeah, and I like and some and this is the thing. I think it's a scale Okay, I don't think it's either one or the other like the Retarded idea of having the star destroyers buried to get a cool shot of it being Raising out of the ground the only way that we can really find out why they decide to have them buried Is that that cool shot of them coming out of the ground? But it is so dumb on so many levels that it's impossible to I'll be interested to find out I would be I would want to find out if Yeah, just like just like with Mandalorian's thing it doesn't make it realistic. I'm not saying it reduces the floor by any means So the amount of people who are fooled by it or not doesn't actually impact what actually happens on screen No, no Because obviously if that pulls out way too many people and I think it has by all the people complaining about it You can say it's like No, that's not really big What do you mean? It's It doesn't it doesn't matter how many people have bought into it or believe it or even point it out These things are independent. I want to I want to highlight that weapon being missing I I would hazard a guess that 99 percent of audiences didn't even notice And yet it's one of the most significant errors in tlj. It's a huge mistake. Yeah, it's massive But most people wouldn't even have noticed I'm not really I'm not keen on It's an interesting thing because how many people would have noticed that the dagger was kept in and it was holding in the back I think I probably missed that too Yeah, maybe that would still be a mistake wouldn't it egregious. Yeah, of course it would of course the idea is that it's Again, these are far more agree. Yeah. These are far more egregious kind of Well, the reason that's egregious is that in realism Yeah, these are far more egregious flaws in realism With nowhere near the payoff that you might want to get out of it Which is why they are far less justified. They can be identified as Inexcusable flaws where there are some things that are unrealistic that you could try and excuse If it works and it pays off Well, I guess um, I guess the thing would be is the only example I can think of is the video games like Yeah, Jackie Chan fight scene he gets so many hits in the head that he should have a concussion And he wouldn't be able to survive But that's for the for the sake of a long drawn out enjoyable fight scene We can suspend our disbelief far easier and accept that he is getting pummeled with the head If I see him getting in hitting the heads too much that I think he should have a concussion Then am I suspension of disbelief gone? I guess But for most people that's not the case. What if it was willing to make that sacrifice? That would be a problem, but it's not right. That's most people But you just already agreed that you ever hang on it. Have you honestly ever heard of someone? Yeah, but have you honestly ever heard of anyone complain about a Jackie Chan fight scene that is getting hit in the head too much It's not a complaint that I've just did. Yes. Yeah. Yeah me right now. I'm the only one and I'm bringing it up Yeah, but this the thing I'm bringing up to state that this is in reality something that is unrealistic But for the sake of an enjoyable fight scene to make it drawn out more so we can enjoy the move and everything like that I can't enjoy it if I see that. No, that's an improper. That's an appropriate sacrifice No, it's For you and for you, but it is an appropriate sacrifice to make a more enjoyable fight scene overall So it's okay to do the plot armor thing when enough people are fooled by it. I guess um What I'm trying to go on if it is not if it's nowhere near Point that armor It it breaks it like because this is not comparable to the daggers once you see it So by you're saying me you're never going to be out enjoy a Jackie Chan fight scene now because he gets it Never said that that seems to be the implication. Do you have a problem with it? The implication that I can never enjoy any Jackie Chan fight scene Whether or not you can enjoy it is separate from whether or not it's a problem Can you accept that it's that it like is it too unrealistic for you to enjoy it now depends on the fight depends on the individual fight Um, uh, any Jackie Chan movie rumbling. I don't really I don't think I've I haven't I can't really even Name a Jackie Chan movie. I've seen it's been so long if I've seen any of them Besides this is actually uh locking out the potential that we could fix them as in have him hit in the head less And maintain the fun of the fight. Why did you write him to get hit in the head so much? Because sometimes it creates suspense that is getting hit back We don't have to have him hit in the head to do that Yeah, but getting hit in the head He's getting worn down But yeah, but isn't that having your cake and eating it you having him hit in the head because it's going to be dangerous for him But you're simultaneously hoping nobody will care about the fact that he should be concussed Yeah, but the thing is it that's exactly what as most people don't care. They're just getting kicked in the head so much Yeah, but most people so then why bother So this is what I mean about expediency. This is what I mean about expediency um Because it would be more difficult to create suspense in trying to reconstruct a whole fight scene Where he's never getting hit or you just get him hit a couple of times make it that he just shrugs it off And you're able to achieve the same result with less work I don't want to advocate for like not working as hard Like I don't I don't know like I feel like it'd be a better idea to um to always encourage Going for a solution that won't have a problem that will still get the intended effect I don't really think that it's impossible Yeah, I don't feel like if I'm writing a story, I should be like, yeah, this is a problem But most people probably won't notice it. So I'll keep it. Oh, that's not necessarily what I'm saying I'm saying you should try and fix it But there are times I'm not saying this the universe I actually agree with you guys that you should always try and fix all problems if possible But there are times in which you can actually honestly and effectively Way up the pros and cons and sometimes it might actually be effective to do something that is actually Unrealistic to achieve a different end. Well, I could check Bad, then you're acknowledging there's bad. Do you want to eliminate that? And let's let's do it right now Is jetpack should have been active throughout the whole scene if it were we could believe this much easier Yeah, I I agree, right? Done completely great. Yeah I mean as soon as the wire attaches he activates the jetpack as well and he's just following the ship With the wire directing him But as it stands, it's not he's the protagonist. So it's okay. It's no it's a fuck up No, but that it doesn't discount my point that and I think it's more My point is emphasize more with the Jackie Chan type of thing Is there a more appropriate or easy way to build suspense in the fight scene with him not getting hit at all And I think getting hit having him hit back is An effective part in the narrative of the fight scene Well, we only said to avoid getting him hit in the head over and over again You can get hit no because that can make him come off as too, uh, op and that is too dominating Well, we'd have to see right to struggle because with Mandalorian we have our example We can talk through it. We don't have the Jackie Chan fight scene on screen right now We can't even suggest alternatives to this potential where he should be concussed like we don't know Maybe Well, this is what I'm saying is that like as Fringy just said like don't give up. Let's let's figure this out Feel like I don't know even though there's a good easy fix Doesn't mean that there's always is and I think you have to approach But you're always in those bad scenarios because you wrote themselves to be yeah, that's the important part Yes, you literally said yourself that every yeah, all of it is the writers You're right. You're right, but I was looking at it in the perspective of a fight Yeah, but it has to apply to everything Fighting has writing in terms of yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, and choreography and stuff. Unfortunately. I have to go poo So I'll be back in a second. Yeah, it's just um, I think that uh, I would prefer to advocate for um Always trying to find the solution that is as opposed to the idea of like I got a deadline shit Um, you know, we got to do it like this because this will mostly work Like people will mostly not notice this but it's a problem that I am even aware of the fact that it's a problem You know, it's opposed to like balancing up whether or not You know, you have a character who does something that's kind of crazy But possible as opposed to this where he's going to get his arms ripped out of his shoulders I want to address Someone left a comment saying it would be pretty lame if our main characters had zero plot armor and just die Unceremoniously from a stray bullet So you don't have to make plot armor to prevent your characters from dying from stray bullets It depends on how you define plot armor again Well plot armor is Because I mean the the fact that you don't people who don't get shot in the army have plot armor Yeah, we're not talking about that though. We're talking about a story So the difference the literal difference is someone wrote it versus someone didn't write it. Yeah, because protagonist So it's a useless definition for this purpose No, for the story. It's absolutely essential when we're talking about plot armor We're not talking about a story protagonist being alive. Yeah The thing is the difference is you get to choose who is the Protagonist in a story in the real world the people who end up surviving could be Protagonist in a story if you both built around the whole idea is completely different You have control over a story in the real world. You just have to see things play out the way The idea of who the protagonist is is a matter of POV It's not that they're specifically special because Like they're not special in the context of the world that they exist in they're just the character that we've selected It can be if the writer chooses that is special in the context What I'm saying is that it's not like not by virtue of the fact that they are the protagonist It can be that's my point It's the choice of the writer the writer can ascribe new special qualities to the character because they're the protagonist But in the actual story itself, it's not by virtue of the fact that they're the protagonist They are the protagonist in the universe the world, but that's looking in universe We're talking about the writing structure that the writer is choosing to ascribe When we're talking about like critiquing work, it's all in universe. We're not trying to like At least I'm not trying to go into the whole like, you know, like what the The meta context of whether or not they're a protagonist or not. I thought But sometimes you might have to because if choices are made purely by the decision of the writer like Bullets don't happen to hit the main character when they hit other people That's a choice of the writer you can justify it more adequately in the story with realism Like if they behind cover or other things like that But it's always a choice the right but the whole idea of like engaging in a story being immersed in it Is that I'm never thinking the writer made such and such choice the writer chose to do this because it would do this The whole idea is that I'm meant to be treating it like it's actually happening Like that that's the objective Not necessarily the objective No, I mean I would say it definitely is the objective Like for instance where with my story, I had an end goal that I knew exactly where I was heading to so I needed to Manipulate and craft everything No, no exactly with and so I'm literally forcing everything around Everything to get the characters to that end point, right? And so every single thing that causes them to get to that point is an artificial thing. I am purposely injecting Yes That it feels like it was a natural progression that they if everything played out the way they would In universe, that's the ultimate goal. There was no way that they could not have reached that like Yeah, yes The point that I'm trying to make is that you don't want anybody to think that it was something that you chose to do Not to mention artificial from our pov is different than artificial in that universe Yeah, yeah, because in the universe nothing is artificial. It's meant to be things that are happening Where I know that's what you know, it's not Exactly I'm saying that I've been saying that the whole time you want it to feel like that but ultimately right story everything is artificial Not in that universe In the universe, but I'm talking about just the story as it exists. Everything is artificial. It's fiction. Yes, but not in that universe In the universe, it's meant to be like it's in our world where that is a story. It is in that universe It is not it's not Because if it's if it's not being treated like it's a it's a non-fiction, you know reality in the in the world Either of our points are not contradicting one another. So I'm failing on what is being established by a stativeness um, the the problem is that it's um, it's like It's like it's being approached from um from like the opposite direction You know, it's especially when it's the case is being made for you know, expediency Like it would be harder to to Figure out, you know to really like fix the root problem And so it's okay because we recognize that it's a story and that the protagonist is special because The writer picked them for a reason and the writer created them to have specific attributes Like these are not the things that We want to be thinking about But that is very much the case that can happen that the writer did pick him and gave them the attributes because they're the Protagonist the whole goal is to make it not feel like that but that is the reality in many cases of the rewriting process We're not talking about the writing process though here We're talking about like what actually works or doesn't work in the story as opposed to You know the process that was happening for when they came up with it At least that's what i'm trying to focus in on like yeah, I recognize that you know when someone's writing a story then Like yes, I think it comes down to we don't normally Discount contrivances by appealing to the audience's understanding that this is being written that it's just yeah Yeah, neither am I like You know you guys have an understanding the point that I know I've been just saying my points have been Sometimes you can justify certain elements of plot armor Okay, even if it might be a little less unrealistic But if you need to characterize because again I don't again we like You know what is plot armor then because is a stray bullet not hitting the character plot armor Kind of is according to the definition Yeah, that kind is according to the definition plot armor that I see because it's only not hitting the character because the writer is Deciding it not to hit the main character. What is your definition plot armor though? No, the german decided to shoot that other guy Like what would be your personal definition for what you consider to be plot armor? It just might help because I don't know like the way that I'm kind of feeling it at the moment This could be an official one But the way that I've begun working I can describing My argument around is anything that is protecting any character whether the main character or not by virtual decision of the writer it is almost By definition a protection given to that character in the plot as chosen by the author Hence it must be plot armor But what if then everything is everything that ever happens whether Yeah Then I'll go further that there is bad plot armor an appropriate plot armor if I'm working within this definition And bad plot armor is plot armor Just Effectively in the narrative the issue is that you've extended it to things that are impossible Like a guy not getting his arms ripped off when he latches onto a like The only reason his arms didn't get ripped off is because he is the protagonist As opposed to his arms Fringy's appealing Fringy's appealing to us at our pov now instead. So back when I'd said why would bill burgo after mandalorian? You can say like well bill bur's character. He seems to be a bit reckless. He thinks about or you could have said Well, the writer wrote him that way Yeah The difference is you're arguing from our povs consumers versus in universe Yeah, what if another character in universe? Solve that and they were to describe what happened to try to explain it Sorry repeat that last part if if someone else in the story was to witness that What would they think? I don't know like how would they explain there are there are many different reactions you could describe to a character I mean but Because this part will be down to a subjective kind of interpretation Do you feel his arm being ripped off? Is that as flawed? and You know Dispally like an un sorry is that as unrealistic as the dagger disappearing um So if we lead it to his logical conclusion it let's say it broke his arm He then loses grip on the wire I guess or he could still theoretically maybe get to the ship with the jetpack It doesn't necessarily need that arm to be functioning. He might be able to grab a bomb and place it on then drop off So maybe there's a chance that everything could still run the way it was with the knife. There isn't she'd be dead Yeah, so my point is that there's a spectrum and I guess I just have a higher this is still pretty bad Yeah, well, this is the thing. I guess my Tolerance or the suspension of disbelief in this realm of things about the protagonist doing more physically Incredible things. I have a higher tolerance for that. Yeah, but it just seems to me it's nowhere near as bad Appearing and so I'm much it's much easier for me to just go. Okay I guess it's just because it all seems to be rooted in there the protagonist I don't know like it's because that's what because plot armor is So wait, what happened? What about if this was Cara that this happened to? Yeah, wouldn't be okay if I'm broken and she died or she's an absolute tank and beast And so I actually feel like she'd be able to survive it easy Nobody nobody's doing this. No human being all right. We'll just keep moving. What about Carl Weathers? Carl hang on. No, I wouldn't think how Why not? Well, there's no any is older for one is not Yeah, but he's he's a secondary character. How come you say that? How come you said that is the reason and not because he isn't the protagonist? Yeah Well, what do you mean? Are you saying that the protagonist is stronger? It doesn't it doesn't hurt Mando because he's the protagonist, but it does hit Carl Weathers because he's old Yeah, I see what you're saying And I don't think it discounts my point that Because when I say he's the protagonist that was just brought him for me saying he has generally better special abilities and physically stronger than other characters Carl Weathers is a good example And so that's what I meant when I was saying he's the protagonist All right That's an argument we can respond to if you said Mando is strong enough to survive that I would argue he's not He's a human His arm would be broken and someone else's argued in chat that his armor would have done it The arm is the wrist the wrist is a gauntlet you pull on that with the kind of force that arm is coming with it At the beginning of the second episode on the non armored part that part is not armored It's not even about that though the wrist isn't the wrist isn't connected to the suit It's on its own it would make a lot more sense if his armor functioned as some type of exoskeleton That could support, you know additional forces in packs and weights and And points and other things like that But there's no indication that it does work That it could answer it if I you know put it in but like I was saying before I have um I have more tolerance to accept this kind of thing with characters that obviously physically stronger and heroic in the context of the story But you get how that's not the same argument That's not the same because I was saying I was saying that's what I meant. I was saying he's the protagonist That's not like you're appealing to protagonist rather than appealing to training history And if you say that's the same thing I would argue it's very much not Well, I fully admit that I picked poor wording when I was just saying that but that is what I meant I hope you can understand that all right then so Uh, we're actually close to the end of this though The the next what I've got is there's a there's a declarative statement from Cara saying blasters are useless And then Cara and Mando both start shooting again start shooting at it again. Yeah So that's interesting. Have you got them I guess and um There's uh, I'm trying to show it but it keeps glitching up I'm gonna put the cover on a second, but you guys can pull this up yourself. You have a copy on 38 43 There's a little a little cheat he arrives onto the ship And uh, he's clearly both his gun is holstered And then uh, they just change the camera shot and he suddenly has a gun in his hand He doesn't have one. They've done that before and then he has one Yeah, like that's cheating Because it's uh, it's gonna be tough to grab it. I'm gonna let it go. I'm just saying um This isn't as bad as Kylo in tross, but surviving the crash. It's like, all right, you got them off. Gideon's okay. He made it I'll assume that they just they're they're built to be able to crash Yeah, they just thought ahead Nearly all ships in star wars must have some type of inertial dampening Otherwise people would be pancakes inside with the right, you know, you know G forces are imparting on themselves with turning and stuff and that would help people survive a bit Depending if they're, you know, inertial dampeners are still functioning when the ship is during a crash from damage or something and Um, because gee like I've I've trouble believing that Rise of skywalker crash with kylo that any inertial dampeners were still working after that thing was a ball enrolled a couple of times They chose to animate slash CGI that explosion on top of him Or even if it were real they chose that that is, uh That's that's baffling, isn't it? um So yeah, again, this is obviously the scenario where they would have possibly all been dead If not for the smith had to give the uh the jetpack. So that's that's good that that happened. Um And at the end of the episode that he's he's told he's welcome to rejoin the guild Despite everything that's happened kind of blows my mind. Yeah, that's insane Sorry, what was that last button to get a job in this business again? He's welcome to rejoin the guild after everything that's happened according to kelvin. Oh, yeah, that one is uh, hilarious, uh The they just have quill's grave at the end and he's just like all right It just bothers me that there wasn't more done for that character and more recognition of why and how he's died And what it means it's just like, yeah, whatever. It's fine. This is grave I got one Um, Cara says looks like we cleaned up the town and I'm like, how the fuck have you established that? This is no more troopers. So the troopers outside the river hatch, they were the last ones They're all the other ones were dead That you got them all there's none left. All right, sure Okay, I believe that I guess um Yeah, and they didn't check if Moff Gideon had died even though as far as they're aware He's the whole reason any of this is happening. Oh, yeah, I'm weird that they just don't check Seems like like I really hope season two's drama isn't based on the fact that they didn't check if he's died Dead. Yeah. Well, it will be he's clearly going to be the Well, let's hope let's let's he has a he has a doc saber. That's good Let's hope he has a boss. All right. Let's hope he has a boss that's making him do all this. Okay I doubt it, but I like how he gets out and he just turns on the sword It's so cool. Isn't it so cool Do you guys think it's cool? I think it's cool I'm not hearing anyone say it's cool. What the fuck You know, I'm gonna play it for the stream. Look how fucking cool this is. It's got a dark saber Fucking cool. Look at that guys Guys, how fucking cool Wow, Moff Gideon is the coolest I can't wait for Moff Gideon to battle Mando on like Fuck it when it's raining at the top of a hill with his dark saber I wonder what Mando's melee weapon's gonna be. I hope it's a dark sabre A mandalorian helmet made of lightsabers or he'll just get our normal lightsaber, maybe So cool Have to have a lightsaber fight. I like a chat. Like it's a vibro blade. It's like, yes, we were very serious just now The whole of that was very serious. So anyway, uh We got a grand total of like I want to just say on average something like 20 times that Mando would have died if not for his His armor brought the whole show, which just you know makes you wonder What he was doing before he got that armor. I don't know Um The entire point of the season plot is ruined the second the foe empire exposed themselves in the hopes of capturing Baby Yoda on Navarro They'll hire and pay countless bounty hunters to go and find this creature while having its location on hand only for them to Assault the person with baby Yoda themselves even to the point of killing their own men That just destroys the whole season The fobs in general damage essentially everything we understand about how bounty hunting works as a profession or in relation to people hunting People is all very confusing Mando and a lot of the other characters make extremely stupid decisions regularly It's really difficult to take him seriously as a competent veteran bounty hunter The season was really small Despite the fact that they had a lot of filler. It's surprising and what i'm referring to is just episodes that don't push along What is the urgent plot in the show? Mando has to forget how fobs work in order for them to have filler as well, which is baffling um, there's like literally four episodes and even them are drawn out then There's like all of the fights and the action when you pause and slow down There's loads of contrivances and then just silly choices made by friendlies and enemies at all times Obviously Mando's armor just that that issue in general that his position on droids is confusing inconsistent say the least and uh his attitude about baby Yoda throughout which these to me are all extremely fundamental and then If you strip all of this down what you're left with As far as i'm concerned is a is a broken season of television and uh It's extremely rushed as well and they have so much to work with and this this these two streams have been to explain why I don't think it's very good Um, there's an there's an interesting comment I'd like it verified if anyone can saying using the final velocity of 117 miles a second That gives us an average acceleration of 76.0 miles second squared or 7.8 g's That's big, but it's survivable, especially for someone like the Mandalorian See um, it's not it's not just the 7.8. It's not just the g's that happening all at once Yeah, it's the sudden force on his forearm yank. Well, no, yeah, you would need to find out if the socket can survive that level of The thing is is like it's an instantaneous Acceleration i'm gonna go ahead and bet no basically. Yeah, probably not Uh, let's see how how much how much what are we looking for? How uh, how much force can pull an arm off? So it looks like when undergoing an accelerate and this is only acceleration This is a very specific question to ask but when you get to nine g's your body feels nine times heavier Blood rushes to the feet heart can't pump enough to bring this heavier blood to the brain Uh, your vision narrows to a tunnel it goes black if acceleration doesn't decrease you pass out and die Yeah, I'll say seven times the weight of something pulling on your socket should be enough to rip it off Yeah, especially if it's all of a sudden Yeah Yeah, um Do you want to get the final final tism's done? So like just conclusions about the show either the three of you can go first Yeah, after that. Um, oh, maybe shad, do you want to go first or? Sorry, what was the last part? So I I gave I gave a sort of blurb for what I think of the show as a whole I guess either you three can go next Oh, yeah, uh, lots of problems. I found it enjoyable overall still for You know arbitrary reasons happy to admit that and I you know won't try and say that All I would say it's good But if you can find enjoyment and similar things that I did you could enjoy it. That's kind of my view on Mandalorian at the moment I I want to push you out of not liking it if you did like it because I I could definitely see like, uh, I definitely Was keen to like this one. I like space bouncy hunters. I feel like there's not And a lot of space bouncy hunter stories, but Yeah So I don't think it's good. Oh man Maybe it's uh in perspective like from again more has been shown me buffing went up to the really good stuff now um And it's really good and then when I sort of come back to watching mando yesterday It was just frustrating I think that's a big problem with this show is that it just frustrates me because I feel like it has a lot of potential I feel like it could have been good if what happened in this season Was stretched out for a longer period of time. It could have been more potent It could have really been punchy. It's a great universe. It's like a great. I it's a great idea but uh Yeah, I'm doing yeah Not a fan not a fan of this one Next up That'll be you rags. No, it's either of them either of them could go fast I I'm pretty much in the same boat as you two for the most part. Um I I originally Really liked the first episode and thought it was Yeah, I did it Um, I remember we watched it together the three of us we watched it together And we were all we were on board. We were ready for more Then it just got worse and worse and worse And then at the end I hated it and then we rewatched all of the episodes again And we were going to take notes and stuff and then it was just like a catastrophe Um, I think there are some good elements of it, but for the most part they're Like a lot of the effects are really good. Some of the designs are nifty Music's awesome. Um music's good, but these aren't things that are really story related I think that They really botched what could have been a fantastic idea And all of us as we were watching the show Just crash and burn. We were thinking of better things on the fly as to what they could have done Um, I don't have a lot of confidence in the show to be better with episode or with season two, but Hopefully, but I'm not gonna I'm sorry. Samuel Guzman said one through four are good Four is four is not good Four is the worst one. Yeah, like none of yeah, the first one is the best Yes, four is two is all right two is okay three is four is God, it just it just news dives As far as I'm considered four five six seven eight. It's like, oh god. What happened Yeah, I ain't even saying like two and three are good. Oh, he said he said my bad. He meant one three three Oh, yeah Yeah, that's better. I still don't think two and three are good Well, yeah, I was gonna say so that's that's the four of our conclusions Uh shad, do you want to give a number out of ten? We did this at the beginning of discussing any of it Let's just see what I give it at the beginning. Well, wait. No, no, no, no We'll all say our numbers first of that we can compare back Yeah Yeah, I honestly like it would have to depend on the standard. I'm rating it by And so if I was to rate the writing and consistency, it would get like a three Oh, shit Or yeah, two or three somewhere around there No continue, I'll put an asterisk next to it saying on writing And I don't know like I I've been enjoying things too disproportionately in it that like a two subjective So probably I'll just leave it there because I don't think other people get like because for instance, I loved the production values I just enjoyed looking at um the star wars world Realized in a very consistent and true way And there was a number for what your enjoyment value is like and enjoying my enjoyment value was probably five or 60 out of 10 Honestly, how much I enjoyed it. Okay And so yeah with the 60 out of 10 that I I'll say I I did enjoy it. I found enjoyable um, yeah Fringy what what number out of 10 to I I'm pretty sure I started with a three and I'm pretty sure that I'm still on a three Yeah, all right. I'm gonna go with three rags. What are you going with? I was kind of thinking something around there. Um, if we talk objectively Yeah, oh, it's the only one that matters for me right now Uh, I yeah, I'm gonna go with a three. All right So the original scores were shad gave it a seven. I gave it a three. Fringy gave it a four and rags gave it a three All right. Okay, so I Tumbled I tumbled a little bit Um, but yeah, uh, obviously that's it now, uh for bad delay We we were the controversial tisms for a while. Hopefully people who were interested to find out. That's that's why we don't like this show Uh, yeah, it is very we did that a very short amount of time You only took a few seconds to get through all it really tumbles towards the end I would say even though four was really bad you could still look at what came before and think that's not too bad But I think seven and eight deal a lot of damage to uh the characters Yeah, and uh, I am I'm I'm not I don't even know if I'm excited for season two to like I'm not I'll watch it I'll watch it. Yeah. I'm I'm way more excited for batwoman Um that one's just a dumpster fire with basically no redeeming quality no redeeming qualities That's our Fringy, that's our two out of ten right batwoman's two out of ten and then infinitism. Yeah, I think uh, I think the standard would be like yeah one is infinite tisms two is batwoman three is Mandalorian four would probably be like So let me ask you. Yeah, can you have a zero? Well, we talked about this. I was saying would zero be non-functional Yeah, that's what I'm thinking When I think of a video game for example zero means I can't play it. Yeah, it's not playable It doesn't work and it's base level. Is there a tv show out there that people can't watch? It's like that's that broken. Yeah, I I guess one would be the lowest you could go Yeah, but again, this is what we got a 10 scale system. Yes, you could make something worse than A crisis on infinite earths you could always add more things that are shit, but I'm still saying it's a one Yeah, it's um, yeah, it's an interesting way of trying to set a standard. I mean, I don't really prefer numbers anyway I just like uh, this is just a super simple Yeah, um, but obviously I've actually got a lot of questions Saved and there's possibly more to collect and we should probably get on with superchats But I was just gonna say whatever you guys want to do now. Uh, this is the uh, I I'm gonna call it here Because I've been in this call for like eight hours. So yes, man God has been too, but I kind of like I am not I don't know about you Shad. You might be a morning person. I am not I think I might need to catch some z's, but uh, it was a great conversation as always Thank you very much for coming on you're gonna you're gonna promote that gay little channel of yours, sir Ah Oh, yeah, just my channel. Yeah Maybe maybe there'll be some quarantine videos. Who knows probably not I'm not gonna I'm not gonna give you any promises I like how you I can't even find my stream like this stream. There's only yeah, this stream the watch numbers have been really low for it It's not going out to people the only way to find it is through discord Twitter or people telling other people it's here Yeah, we only have 760 watching and it aren't our highest or an even that high Well, I was gonna say I don't even think we went that low with our first few episodes. So something's weird is going on Something's wrong. Yeah, something is wrong. I think some people in chat were saying that they could only find it through like a link from somewhere Or that it wasn't so weird But uh, you know, it'll go on to mula. No one's gonna miss out. It'll be fine Uh, but yeah, all right. Uh, thanks guys. So see you all later and see you later everybody. Goodbye. Say hi. Yeah Catch that right And uh, yeah link to his channel is in the channel in the description Uh, yeah, I've been hearing from other people that this is apparently a problem for Everyone's streams. We had weird stuff's going on youtube's uh Doing some stuff. Uh, yeah shad, do you want to do you want to stay or do you want to I could stick around for a bit longer. I might go to the toilet, but I like to try and catch some of the stupid chats I'm not sure how much longer I'll stay on but I'll certainly stick around for a bit more Yeah, for as long as you can my good friend is good stuff like very much for as long as you've been here so far It's good, uh So yeah, I'll just go to the toilet and I'll be back. Mm-hmm. All right rags. You ready? I'm ready. Let's do it You do know, oh wait, I'll read this one. I can't remember if we did it or not Uh, you thought you read the last super chat, but insert weeaboo meme here I don't know if we read that from a live stream, but I have now, so You do know the hulk dab is not a dab and even an attempt at a dab Watch hillary clinton dab to learn what dab is or read wiki how Let's go. Hillary Clinton done a dab Is the thing that sounds Oh god. Yeah, she has Oh, actually, did you look up hillary clinton dab? Let me just I'll just I'll just glory glorify your screen with that Oh my god, she's up there with ellen in some Cuck Oh no, oh no hillary Dab well in the generous show. Yeah, that's that. Oh, wow. Hey somebody. I don't know if you've seen this This is a slight Detour it's for just a moment, but oh right. Yeah, so if anyone didn't know The the the thing we were talking about lost efap with idubs. He's getting cold to simp for it, right and uh Pewdiepie is kind of You know pretty pretty liked on the internet So someone compared them to this image of like, I don't even I don't know like attractive couple versus Sad couple sort of thing and then quinton reviews quote tweeted that And said so this is literally just blonde hair blue eyes is good, right? And it's like what why did you make why did you make it about race? That's the blends of these people view everything through it's like jeez. All right Quinton's such an interesting character to say the least Yeah, people would say like we need to cover his video on sagon. Uh, it's it's an april fools. It's not on sagon Not a real thing I think it would be interesting to I don't know. Well Talking about the whole idubs thing. I haven't dealt too far into it. I'm wondering if there is All right, is it the way like for instance, uh, malar if you had a girlfriend and you were serious about You know your relationship and everything and she made like an olie fans account and was taking pictures of her The firm flams nakedness part for fans or for like patrons and stuff. Wow. What would you do? Um So this is this is she hasn't she I didn't meet her and she was doing it. This is something she started after we've met Yes, I'd probably be like, uh, curious as to her options for jobs and find out exactly why this is the one that she really wants to pursue Um, I guess it it could be dependent on a lot of factors, but I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't prefer it. Uh, not at all Um, let me ask you this. Mm-hmm. Is it possible To be okay with her doing that in a non simp way Uh, I guess I'm gonna have to clarify what simp means. Isn't it when you like Isn't it isn't simp when you're like doing everything for a girl but not getting any results and that's That definitions kind of like it like when you're when you're really Defending, um, when when a man puts himself in a subservient position under women in hopes of winning them over or when you put too much value on a female for no reason Um, that sort of thing. I mean, well in that scenario, they would be my girlfriend, right? So technically I wouldn't would it would that qualify? I don't know. That's the thing Isn't that closer. Yeah, isn't that closer to being a cuck than a simp if um, no It's all you're only a cuck if you get enjoyment or gratification out of it. Oh, okay All about definitions like that's why that's why cucking is and cheating are not the same thing It's really important that we get this right. Yes. It's very important distinction Because I always think like what if like let's say what if everyone's like, um That what if you like during her streams where she's showing her tits and her Vagin everything you just show up and you just start fucking her and look to the camera and you said Yeah, that's right. I'm the only guy who gets to have this you can look and you can throw money at her But I'm the one that let me look at me. I'm just I'm fucking her right here. You're watching me So if you you're saying that that would that couldn't be considered a simp or cuck attitude, right? Yeah, would that be considered simping? Like I have to assume not I have to assume not because like can you be so Like confident and in your position with her That it isn't simping because I haven't given this much thought and I'm just kind of curious I know that there's it's crazy how much of a sort of wall there has been over this I looked into it a little bit after the street with j log boat I was just like oh shit like people are getting really pissed and To make sure I grasp it properly in case someone feels we haven't People seem to be pissed at the girl as a person rather than this the only thing. Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah Now there's lots of lots of claims about things that she's done and said and I haven't verified them But yeah, if if true they would frustrate for sure Um when more When more has more videos in 2020 than rag is It's true. I have three you have zero. Yeah, I'm yeah. No, uh embarrassing with me I got some things they're working on. I just bear with me things are Going on So at the risk of opening another can of worms just to look back on that debate we had before right um When the thing that I was saying about it like sometimes um You can choose to exchange elements of realism for coolness and other things if you're gonna Achieve in a sphere exchange is not magic systems exactly that Like magic was internally consistent. It wouldn't be internally consistent of a mandalorian to have super strength randomly But I wonder like say you have a uh mandalorian I could probably go with you there, but like say you have a story where it's basically Fiction but based on earth and the main character is insanely tough probably stronger than what you could logically Justify a regular human being but only a little bit Um and he and he manages to survive things that reality No one really should survive but it's right on the verge And the fact that is able to do it because he is just so tough and so good Like wouldn't that be subtle enough that you could still suspend your disbelief and enjoy the story? um So like the way this I got a good example of this actually so I brought up with j Uh reservoir dogs versus 1917 and that it kind of took me out of 1917 that a certain character bleeds out very quickly And uh j was like why? And I was like I watched that maybe by the way Yeah, and and j was like why and I was like well because as far as I know It takes a long time to bleed out from something like that and he was like based on what and in my head I was like i'm literally drawing from nothing but reservoir dogs And I was like I've not actually checked and then I was My mom's a nurse and I was just like how quick what's the quickest way you could die from a stab to the belly? And then she was like where were you stabbed and it's not even a question I thought of I was like, oh, right There are things in in your belly There's lots of things that depends on you know, you look it up if you're stabbed in the um The the the big artery that's next to your spine You can die really quick and I was just like oh And so theoretically as a writer you have the freedom to stab somebody in the chest And as long as you obscure it enough that we can't definitively tell where that knife went You can choose exactly how long you want that person to live Because none of us can call that out to be impossible. Yeah in the same vein Uh, someone gets punched in the head and I'm like oof and then they get punched again I'm like, okay wait and then they get punched again I wonder how many punches it would take for me to say nah, it's impossible that he's conscious And then I check online. It's like there was several people across earth's history. There was this guy in a circus He was punched 50 times in the head by passerbys He was like this circus freak guy and he didn't get concussed from any of it because he had like That's just something that happened. I'd be like All right, not impossible. It's just stretching my ability to believe that's where I can see that but impossibilities is where I don't even talk about Believability anymore. I'm just like, no, it's just impossible Okay, good. Oh good tonight. Just kind of double checking. Mm-hmm And yeah, this is this is why we get with batwoman even we're often checking, uh, law Like police rule standards What what how when at what point do you die from freezing? Can like what damage you can get from being given a defibrillator as like a normal person Yeah, all these things come up because batwoman does them so casually that we're like, whoa I'm pretty sure that's not how that works. Then we check and we're like, yeah, that's definitely not how that works Yeah, it's not often our character gets decapitated and we're like, oh, but how long will they live? It seems like that we agree that we're okay with certain elements of unrealistic things if it's internally Realistic things like magic and other things or if it can be just well, we we've always been about internal consistency of the universe not realism Yeah, I agree. I agree there as well And I you know, so the question would be is that Mandalorian arm jerk thing. Is there anything that could justify it? It's hard to argue. Yeah the jetpack being active the whole time the armor being connected Like iron man getting pulled along by the arm You could argue the armor could all take the force of it. I suppose to some degree But that doesn't apply to him and then Mandalorian being a creature like, you know a garthund and you're like, what's that? It's like, isn't he a humanoid but really strong So I'm wondering like is it come out of the realms of possibility completely that someone might be able to survive that without From what I can tell no that amount of force that quickly that arm's coming off Yeah, I mean it would be I mean because basically remarkable things Yeah, but if we're into the realm of a miracle occurs then Yeah, I get yeah, like I I can I'm fine with it for the most part But when it comes to like originally we talked about how he falls Back first flat after that huge fall. He takes off the sand crawler. Like no, there's no way he's just fine Well, see that's another example Again, that I didn't have as much of an issue with that for the exact same reasons And I think that got us on a similar debate back then. Yeah, that's supposed to now Yeah, at least yeah, at least I'm consistent with what I you know, willing to accept and not Morland, did you ever check out the tfa art book? They had planned more of their dumb ideas years before tros without with the reasoning that it making no sense being a good idea ps high rags Hello it making no sense being a good idea What? That's your like premise like hey, man if it doesn't make sense But no, I haven't seen that I imagine it would be full of funny um They fly now spelled backwards so one you've yet One you've yet Rags i'm a console pleb who wants to get into pc gaming particularly for strategy gaming also interested in star citizen What kind of setup would you recommend and what do I need to keep in mind? Um, if you play star star citizens tough to I haven't played it I just have watched people play it and I know some things about it. Apparently it's rather tough to run um So you might need something beefy for that most strategy games though They're not really reliant on high fps Though more fps is always going to give you a more satisfying experience and it will apply equally to hold on equally But it will give you more enjoyment for everything that you play you are never going to say man This is better than it runs at lower fps um But what you can do luckily with pc gaming is you can build yourself a pc and add parts to it later as you feel So if uh if that that is probably uh, that is definitely uh a strategy that I recommend my old pc that I had for like Five years or so It was all working off the same shell pretty much the same motherboard and case and everything I just changed out the graphics card and it would run better and better and better until I just kind of decided I want to make a A leap on some of the core parts But you have a lot of a a lot of options But strategy games can be cpu intensive as well because there's a lot of stuff going on at one time So I would um look up benchmarks for things for like some games you might want to play Right, so When it comes to google there's tons of people in forums that you can ask about it So just say I want to play uh, kamana conquer this or total war that or dawn of war this and you know What should I have for it or look at the recommended specs for it? There's a lot of options. There's a lot of correct options But it's very modular as well. You can customize a pc. So just uh kind of see what you want to play and Maybe aim for that, but you could always add to it later. You can always add to it later For the most part many parts for the most part It ends with resist nirgal and high rags Hello Your gadel video gave me good vibes in these dark times. Thanks and hopefully y'all washing your hands and as always I am yeah, send my love to wags Oh, thank you. And yeah, I'm watching my hands. I got my uh Apparently everyone's going out and buying all the hand sanitizer, but luckily I already have some I guess Yeah, sometimes I'll use a little dawn um like when I watch the dawn I have to Deal with you know grease on my hands or oil From washing plates and stuff you can use dawn Uh soap and water works excellently Uh and if you don't have any of those things then I just You got you got a you got a choice to make rags. You ready for this? This is this one. All right. Here we go So hi rags Hello If diabeto swapped your mum and girlfriend's minds, which one of them would you have sex with or as a third option diabeto Which would you sex? um So this will have to be a hypothetical girlfriend. I don't really I don't really yeah So the girlfriend's mind in the mum's body the mum's mind in the girlfriend's body or diabeto um I would have my I would not want to have sex with my mum's mind Yeah, I actually think the with dealing this is Yeah, that would be um Because in in this scenario where you can swap minds with bodies The mind is who the person really is and the body's just the shell in that in that sense So I would not want to have sex with my real mom if that makes any sense and diabeto I would rather have sex with her body than diabeto's body I don't even know what diabeto's mind is like. So especially if he had his small meal for um There's no good answer out of these three guys there is no good answer. Um, yeah, uh Yeah, I I think that's what I would do Um Just finished buffy season four. What are your thoughts on restless also thoughts on bill fees will building I think it's the weakest part of the show will buildings pretty bad like an overall three out of ten sort of situation uh, they regularly bend their rules and uh Joss Whedon's been on record to say that he doesn't care about will building that much He just wants to get the basics so he can get all of his uh His stories going which is a shame because I think if the will building and buffy was fixed up It would be a hell of a lot better And as for the restless I love that episode a lot and once if you finish the show return to it It's got loads of foreshadowing in it and um check out Analysis videos of that episode and you'll find a hell of a lot of uh allegory and subtext that you would have missed That'll be like oh my god That means that and that means that um Mola have you seen any trailers of all played the demo for final fantasy 7 remake? If so, what do you think I have not I'm afraid And I doubt my two co-hosterinos here have have either Final fantasy which one seven remake No, no, I don't have any interest in final fantasy seven Wow, the orcs joins the super chat. Hi rags Hello Mola stop seeing such I don't know it just says it just says orcs I can't believe they didn't specify Mola stop being such a bullqueer. You're scaring shad. No, I'm not How dare you shout out a bunch of swords already find me scary Uh arch wall hammer mash up again when I mean I'm I'm on board to have him back, but we'll be trying to find a Video for yeah, like it's always good to find a video that they'll actually care about as a guest You know, we don't want to just yeah like the last video we did was great. That worked out really well Yeah, I mean I've got it on my list to check out their clone trooper one the same people to see if it's like Uh good content to respond to or not Um Chat have you seen the 2d clone wars micro series? If they're talking about the 2d animated one, I was released on carton network a good couple years ago I saw I've seen a couple of episodes. I don't think I've seen the whole thing But it was actually pretty cool. It's like it wasn't heavy on story It was a lot of just kind of like they were at least as more shorts, weren't they from memory I really can't remember. Um, it moves on to say if not watch the fight between general grievous and six jedi. It's fantastic Oh, okay. Might have to have a look Um Normally I tell you dumbos to watch hardcore henry, but today I want an update on your progress toward getting wolf to watch the movie the hunt I don't remember saying I was going to get him to watch it, but I do really like that movie Not the new the hunt the old the hunt with um, maz michelson But Uh, yeah, no no progress yet, but uh potentially When I brought up the hunt last year, you said you loved it so much that you wanted to keep the plot a surprise Time stamp is on e5 20. Yeah, that would make sense I wouldn't want say like I would recommend it fully to both of you guys, but I wouldn't want to tell you what happens in it um Because it's uh, it's it's good. It's good stuff Uh palpatine has npd npd personality disorder like you That's no wonder I empathize with him so much. Yeah, maybe related He's been going around shagging. So yeah, he's been creaming and she even so who knows Uh, obviously you don't need to watch the timestamp. No problem. Uh, can you fix the extra credits eFAP? Thanks So it works, but apparently it doesn't work on mobiles That's what I've heard Because every time I try and access the eFAP extra credits episode it works and people keep telling me they can't access it And I'm like, uh, not only can I access it my own account my friends can and incognito can so I don't know what's going on But I've seen a lot of people say they're on mobile whenever it doesn't work But like I'm I've got it up right now. Like I don't understand By the way, if someone said like of course you do because it's your channel. It's like no, this is on moolah versus moolah. So I it's I don't know Some people can't access it for some reason. Uh, I'm sorry about that But it does seem to work on anything that I try Even when I'm not signed in it's a weird one Greetings moopa. Hello rag is Hello Frogman he's he's he's gone afraid and shadmus Oh greetings Most of twitter has npd. Yeah Oy moly who keeps letting you out of your cage? I was only putting a cage for one day this year while moopa ravaged my channel Um shad who are your favorite sanderson characters? So I really like um the wax and wane from um, uh, the miss born uh, uh sequel series Caled oh probably dalana. He is top top right up there old dalana from um stormlight archives. He might have to be my favorite, I think Oh, there you go. Any any other like sort of close scoring ones? Um, vin is pretty awesome. I really liked her in original miss born. Um Let me think any more more background obscure characters that are a lot of fun um I need to give it more thought really to try and because there's a lot of characters to go through But I can share those ones off the top of my head Yeah, um This just says meticulations. Do you guys have any idea why that might be said? There's some kind of body part. I'm guessing. Yeah, like something on your teeth. Maybe you have to get filed off. I'm not sure I think you're right sacred and powerful war cry for the pure Nothing like some minecraft and e-fap. Hi wags Hello I have autism. I just like when people treat autism like it's a bad thing and act like autistic people are dumb It's one reason why I don't like sargon All right, uh All right Hang on. What there are three stages of autism and so there's the first stage is actually Aspergers and most, you know, high functioning autistic people on the spectrum are aspergers And and yeah, they function quite well, but if you're talking about like the stage three autism That's very non-functioning And I have a brother-in-law who's like stage two autistic And I have several cousins who are aspergers. So and a nephew as well. So yeah, there's a spectrum Yeah Um Depends what type of autism you're referring to really Well, I mean the people who are like he's mentally ill and then they were like pretty sure he's autistic It's it's like I think if you were to challenge them about whether or not like are you saying autistic people are just stupid or something I'm sure they would be like no. No. No. No. I'm just saying it explains why mohler Is so mean to people why baller is so blah blah blah like they would just that's all they're looking to do like, you know, uh, it's I can't ascribe, uh, whether or not they're they're being malicious or not But I can't help but feel like they're gunning to try and uh You know list some kind of Wikipedia article about whatever to try and be like see we've now proven. It's not just that we don't like him. It's the truth This is like, okay All I said was this your stars movie was bad. I didn't mean to Ruin your life, but all right Uh cover a video called tom holland embarrasses spider-man brand slash spider-man homecoming clip thoughts and rant by the amazing Super mic. It's so homophobic Um, all right, I'll pop that in as a big fan of homophobia myself I'll uh, I guess we'll check that out the amazing spider mic. What was that? Yeah. Well, I can uh, let me see if I can I'll copy it and uh You can you can go sleuthing you can go and discover the The wondrousness of whatever this is While I carry on uh sam is my favorite character from lord the rings. Are you frightened is a close second? Yeah, that's a fair choice Speaking of which return of the king is going to go back up probably wednesday. Um It's so odd. It doesn't go down for like a month It goes up live and then it goes down and then I reupload a corrected version goes down reupload corrected vision goes down Reupload connected vision stays up and it's just like what What do you want you to and and like i'm gonna make it go live on wednesday and I have a feeling that it's gonna go down again and so We're in for another doom sort of scenario here guys. You're gonna have to wait until we finally get it out, but uh Anyway, um Average here in murrica is borderline obese. Oh about the uh about the mcdonald's meal. Um even still even still Don't you can't classify that as a small portion Burnt average person. That's ridiculous Uh, leave it to bob the nazi to talk about burger density I was thinking never know what you're gonna get out of him. So um One day it's talking about how the coronavirus doesn't target the right people And then the other day is the The density of mcdonald's foods are just not as high as you thought What is that? Is it how long is that video? Oh 27 minutes Well, at least you found it we can check that out. I guess see if it's uh Something we can 27 minutes, but we could i don't know sometime like i'm probably gonna take a nap after this If you want to check it out, we can i'm curious. I'm very curious to see what this Uh gentleman's beef is with something that tom holland apparently has done Movie bob unloads himself off his dump truck to look at tweet about mcdonald's that's not takes heavy breath a lot of food So It's all relative you see the drinks would make it impossible for me. That was my biggest concern I don't think I could down that much soda. Uh, then yeah, like That's a lot of sugar in space. I mean the sheer volume Um in defense of bob I'd eat all of that for free Yeah Eating it's one thing calling in a small portion is another thing I don't know man. I feel like Uncompliment like that's a small I I couldn't tell you the last time I went to mcdonald's but i'm pretty sure that the last times I ever did was because I just needed to eat and right now because I have things to do in places to go and I just want to Provide myself some level of quasi nourishment. I was going to say you're not going to call it nourishment. You're going to call it something else Some kind of yeah, I want to provide mass for myself You want your stomach to have something to do Yeah, if it was like there was if there was a mcdonald's and right next to it. There was a Wendy's or anything as I ain't going to mcdonald's Or a Popeyes or a Chick filet or a canes See my problem is is that my wife actually prefers hungry jack. I sorry prefers Um at mcdonald's and I like What is our equivalent of burger king? We call it hungry jacks over here for some weird thing Everything's way better I know and that's the same that's exactly my voice Burger king is way better, but my wife always likes mcdonald's and I was like, uh Oh, well I was tempted to say that myself, but you were there for just can't reconcile I mean, uh, you don't want your kids eating mcdonald's. You got to do it for them I love my wife Uh, not only I mean if she became an axe murderer Yeah fast food preferences, you know, brings me close Not only is movie bob galaxy brain, but he's also galaxy gut Uh Very good. I think we knew that Canon was never hated before disney got star wars Well, yeah, it's funny. All these like bizarre defenses. It's like, where were you guys ages ago? It's like, why isn't star wars is the one that's made you say this? It's like, oh because it's made stream. Oh because you like it. All right, okay We used to get along just fine talking about how things screwed over canon. Nobody came to the defensive to it a genesis, did they? Um, I don't know maybe they I'm sure there was some Sure, there was some maybe that'll be a future e-fap one day. We cover a genesis take Nine out of ten grandmas hate to r.o.s. It's true. It's true I rag Has shad seen blade and Sorry, you said it retarded How could you hate the retarded My brother is a second stage retard. You can't say that Has shad seen blade and sorcery if so, what does he think of it? I have seen it. I haven't played it and it's on my list. I actually have a VR headset and I just haven't gotten around to setting it up But that's on the list because someone's even like modeled a mod for the sword of my book imperious And I can actually download this awesome high detailed Imperious sword for sword and blade I'm tempted to use it. I hope I'm thinking of the right game. This is the VR game. Yes This is the VR game. Yes. Okay, good And uh frog old any plans to stream soon not that I've heard of but I will save that for um If there's ever a possibility of getting him to answer that question be it another super the e-fap Uh captain fordo has vids on the damage clone wars did to canon. It's more than episode seven through nine Really? Clone wars currently clone wars did more damage than episode seven through nine. What I That's a tough I feel like I feel like chat is gonna be very upset at that prospect. What's this video so I can link it captain fordo Clone wars 2008 has done more damage to canon than episode seven eight and nine Wait captain fordo is a character in the universe, right? I'm guessing he's a youtuber as well. I don't know Let me uh Captain fordo Yeah, there's a Why the clone wars doesn't fit in legends? If this person yeah, there's a captain fordo with Or about 8 000 subs um Let's see They don't have any videos. I should be able to find it here. Mm-hmm Uh, just watch the stars we critics top 11 stupid things in lord the rings and it hurts my head How much the list itself is dumb? I think it might be worth an e-fap on Uh possibly We've got another, um Lord of the rings e-fap we have to do at some point for that other video has been requested quite a bit We shouldn't get around to it. Why are we talking about the mandalorian? A start is part five is out It was uh, yeah, it is and it was fantastic I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what video you're talking about from this guy. I think it's this one But i'm not sure Well, what about the one you read out where you said it doesn't fit into legends. That's probably something right It might be that um That's from Yeah, a while ago two years ago Uh excellent gadel moeller. I feel huge more intellectual for having done a watch of it also high rags Hello, also also shad your book was great Oh, thank you, sir. I'm very pleased you enjoyed it. I'm glad you enjoyed gadel. That was a very nice soup chat It's just nice to everybody There've been a lot of arguments on e-fap, but I think the one we can all agree on is that rags is the handsomest doggo Oh Yeah, i'm okay with that Thank you No, no force heal can still work only op force users can use insta heal and everyone else uses healing trances or meditation Gotta be careful Thanks that clears up everything gotta be careful because of what's happened before. I gotta be real careful with that What healing through meditation you're saying that's already been established that I guess maybe it was in legends or include more, so I don't know Matilda can beat ray in a fight and ray is still more of a mary sue changed my mind also ola senior papi rags Matilda had to work really hard to develop her force abilities Okay, she went through an arc of trial and error and then No, when she first started it was low levels and it slowly grew in strength It's a good example of progression of hour Also implying that we would even for a moment think that matilda's a mary sue for killing ray. We would just be clapping We'd be like yay Remember palpatine killed ray. He's not a mary sue, right? I know it didn't take but still I didn't know what to think anymore The canon can be broken on purpose and forgiven if it's good multiverse slash alternate timelines slash one shots Just making up dumb shiz like oh, I don't know hyperspace kamikaze jacks up everything Yes Like one shots and stuff Like though if you're purposely breaking canon like at what the example I'm thinking of the dragon ball z movies where they don't fit canonically into the series and stuff They're not technically canon in the series Is that oh well this person's saying that those are okay, but oh making up stuff like the hyperspace kamikaze But that's not essentially in canon though. This is kind of my point Um, I get you could say it's in like the umbrella of the canon, but it's not in the specific that timeline canon or something like that, right? perhaps um Oh, no, I almost missed my favorite intel acutals. I didn't get a notification for this e-fab also high rags Hello. Yeah, um Your first mistake was assuming that we were intel acutals People in chat. How did you find out about this stream? Were you casually Looking on my channel was a discord or was it a notification because from what I can tell no notifications are going out Which is lame, but whatever Uh youtube has it's as interested in doing its own thing sometimes, you know Um This article sounds like I don't want to try and pay attention to canon Let me make up whatever I want loosely in the universe because purity I don't know because purdy Pretty much the article is just trying to argue that it shouldn't have to do that Stop criticizing my things. I like because it breaks canon So I enjoy it. It was in recommended channel channel channel subscription lists live on the home page People on reddit talking about it Uh recommended casually browsing notification pocket been recommended So you were live notification saw your channel sidebar Yeah Just not most if not all of you guys are not getting the notification. It's just through a sub tab or recommended tab interesting I don't know what's going on you might have to get everyone to subscribe to your twitter and get alerts and then tweet him out or something I mean, it's not a huge deal Like hopefully it if this keeps happening we'll have to do something about it because like I know people like to catch it live But um, I'm hoping it's just uh, you know a fluke or something Um, and uh, someone's just sending me a message in their regular chat rockwell porkins Hey, it's only 5 30 in the afternoon over here. I'm in australia. Don't worry. I follow the prophet It's 1 30 a.m. Here. It's 7 30 a.m. Yeah It's like, oh, it's you waking up suit that I'm like I appreciate you guys going all nighter for us australians. We appreciate it. I'm sure fringy does and No, thank you. No problem Uh, I want talking to rise from the grave and thrash this guy with his walk-in stick earphone I get this Um shad, were you going to get an analyzed mountain blade to bannel lords? Your input would be welcome also hyrax Yeah, man. I'm totally gonna be playing yet. My problem is is that I've actually Falled back into the rabbit hole of my favorite game dragons dogma and I just have to I have to play through it I just got to get it out of my system going up because my kids are now on it They've they're hooked on dragons dogma. So I'm playing it with them and uh, and now I I have to finish dragon zoglin now before I can dive into bannel lord because I when I do it I need to be fully committed. I can't have distractions. Okay, bannel lord is a special thing for me now Number two sport talking about so yeah, man. I'm diving into that but I need to give it my full attention Uh Recently youtube started to hide streams after some time it starts Uh, the only sign of it being live is the icon on the left panel near the channel name Had some with previous efab and last two smudcasts. Thanks youtube Hmm. Thank you. Thanks youtube youtube doing great things helping out creators They're on our side A character that always changes This is the basic characteristic of olivia more in eye zombie her personality reflects the brain she's recently eaten Yeah, that sounds like it could be cool Has an idea. I don't know Yeah Matt martin of the lucas film story group retweeted and said he would use this article anytime he's asked about star wars canon Oh Well, that article is not going to help him Yeah In fact, it'll just make everyone This just hurt his you know work misty values That's a very dumb thing friend. Um tv series Sorry. Yeah, someone asking chat. I'm not from new south wales from victoria. Yeah, please Yeah um tv series to watch not buffy this time moeller all right, um black adder And faulty towers those reese classic simpsons and future armor adventure time brick and morty metal oculips The office u.s. I would actually recommend. I only recently finished all of that. Um Go watch the vicar dibley haunting of hill house Uh stranger things season one and only season one one punch man Uh fma brotherhood, I guess Hmm I tried rewatching black adder and faulty towers Didn't find him that funny. I hate you Sorry, sorry, I was watching it. It's just thanks jay I wonder all right jay. Fine. Jack. All right. All right. All right. Another hot take It is actually against the law to not enjoy faulty towers by the way Red dwarf is also not very funny in life. Oh jeez Oh Jay loves red dwarf. You've just you've just done a jay take to jay stuff Nothing but laugh track to try and get people to laugh along with jokes that aren't that funny. It's just um Dear devil to a degree chenoble. That's uh a definite go go for that Then there's the standard ones like breaking bad sopranos the wire mad men. These are all really strong First two seasons have lost. It's good shit. Uh the it crowd Um, I've heard mr. Robot's very good. I I've not seen it all myself So maybe check that out and then of course I mean if it was if it was good enough for them to reference in batwoman, it must be really good. Oh, definitely um Game of thrones Uh, and then buffy and angel i'm still putting them on that recommended list even though i'm not allowed to On they go right at the end um I'm drunk wasn't aware of this efab. Fuck you all except shad. Shad's cool Oh, gee. Thanks. Um, oh by the way, allville is pretty enjoyable. I think that's one of the um tv series I've enjoyed most recently. Hmm I would highly highly recommend the first season of arrested development Oh, yeah, arrested development was great. And uh finneas and furb, of course Uh lie to me I like that Um, okay. I did enjoy the mentalist a lot. I have to admit Uh, there was there was another I was thinking of um cab file. Maybe you can find it. It's very good Um, oh stargate. Yes stargate sg1 is brilliant the whole series man get into that Have you guys watched stargate? No Oh god, I watched shad shows like mandalorian Stargate sg1 is brilliant watch, uh The next generation Look at you guys the nerd shows geez um Uh I think far escape is good. I can't remember a lot of it though Everyone should see babel on five including shad I heard the new battle star galactic is pretty good. I tried babel on five It was one of those small moments that kicked me out of it that never and I probably still could enjoy it If I just went back to it But there's one moment that it was just like really threw me out and it's with space in the future And one of the security guys sits down to get his coffee and he pulls out a newspaper and starts reading I'm watching they're like No Use papers are already ancient in our current time. Let alone the far future I was like, oh, I couldn't I couldn't come back from that I'm sorry you had to experience something so deal-breaking that must have been It was it was it was traumatic after me Gonna sleep in here enlisted later have fun massive stop lul mula god. Oh league of legends. I'm so sorry I'm only signed into the client. It says I'm playing it right now. I'm not actually playing it Uh, youtube don't want me writing fuck. Ha take that damn god The combine versus the covenant who wins Covenant the who the combine of the half-life two enemies Oh the covenant Uh, my theory is that bez lying about his military past and he knows nothing about guns hence his bad aim And him having holsters in awkward places. He has good aim sometimes Yeah, he has good aim sometimes and it seems that other people can verify his and he was put in charge Which is weird if he's not actually going to lie about if he was gonna lie about a distinguished past military history What do you say? He has good aim sometimes Unlike stormtroopers. I'm all right even hit a can I'm all right guys Seems like he's performing as well as expected If he's an ex stormtrooper Checked out a video called the biblical subtext in Jurassic world fallen kingdom by clayton fioriti I have been told about that one before we were planning on doing like a Jurassic world stream But it's always been on like the back burner if you will the burning of the back as they say Uh hey mubishly just so you know not only did I not get a notification This episode also did not appear on either of your channels I had to go through the link in the discord left by glib any who youtube Yeah I mean we we can tell this is almost becoming a private party at this point Like you can't find this stream in many places and whoever's left is like Huddling up around like a little campfire Makes me wonder if this is a thing that's affecting all creators across the bro Sorry board because they've done some stupid thing with algorithm and alerts and other stuff or if they are targeting You know, well more people are streaming now than ever um, I figure I figure more people are streaming now than they're ever we're because of Uh the lockdown and stuff. So maybe they're actually prioritizing streams and pushing other ones down It was really weird like over the Christmas break, right? My the views of my channel spiked massively And this was during the time when I took a break and I wasn't uploading I didn't upload for over two weeks and the the views were the best that have been on my channel for the whole year And my experience every time before then is that unless I was uploading at least once or twice a week My views were gonna flat line And so I was like a beat keeping that heartbeat up to keep that maintain the views And so it's just really weird. It was really good. And then currently, you know, overall views are down But the individual views of videos I upload are still all right, but overall and so it's just like I don't know what youtube is doing. They twist something and it's like, oh, it's great And then they do something and then things drop. It's like just can't predict it It's friday. Could you not I'm trying to do school work before it's due at 11 59 Oh No, it's due already. So if you haven't finished it then it's true Hey, y'all, I was curious if any of you've seen the astatus fan project the final part came out recently and I think it's pretty neat I have it is very neat. Oh indeed. Oh Haven't watched it yet. I want to I saw some of the earlier starter stuff and I was brilliant. So yeah, I do want to check that out I shwags Hello Would wheatley from portal 2 be the definition of a useful idiot from the law I thought a useful idiot was someone who advocates for your position But doesn't even know they don't even realize it's like against their uh interests Isn't that what it is? I could I let me check Like you you get someone to A useful idiot is a derogatory term for a person perceived as propagandizing Uh For a cause without fully comprehending the cause's goals So would wheatley be considered that? I mean Isn't he just kind of an idiot in portal 2 not a useful idiot certainly not useful to a glados Um, I don't know. Also, what do you recommend? Do you recommend just rights hobbit video? Um, I've heard it's good I haven't seen it myself. I imagine it's Not terrible He's just going through the problems of the films before he decided that he couldn't take joy out of the world Do you want to debate mando sometime in the future moopa? I feel like I'm all out on that now I feel like we have to wait until season two Uh, who wins year one batman or mando Year one batman. I don't even need to boost Wayne without if suit would beat mando Yeah, mando's an idiot Bruce Wayne's a smart man It would be easy to trick him. He'd be like, I'm sorry sir. I didn't realize. Oh my god. Please don't hurt me I'm innocent. No mando walks up to you and you grab one of his pistols push him over and then shoot him Just just pretend to be another bounty hunter and you'll approach you without a gun drawn and say hey, I g yielded. Hey Uh, have you guys seen shad's castle? It's pretty cool Um, haven't seen it yet. I have not seen that video yet You said it wasn't complete, right? It's complete now. I did the announcement video a couple of days ago. It looks so cool Very happy with it. Have you had anyone assault you yet? Not yet. Not yet. I might invite it though. Test it out Um, I hope you're all staying well this week don's blessings upon you lads. Yes, sir Staying quite well They're killing imps new theory mando is normally the doom slayer He wanted a vacation, but he didn't want anyone knowing he left so he hired a stand-in explains why his reputation and actions don't match Also, hi wags who will Uh in a new hope they put a tracker on the millenium falcon so they had reason to let them escape after that It's all downhill Like I said a new hope passes the test as far as I'm aware. There's no scene where stormtroopers being ridiculously stupid without reason See, I don't know that they're missing too consistently. I don't like if you're saying that it's all they'd have to Like if they really wanted if they really wanted them to escape Firing on them like shooting in their direction Is a very bad plan because all it takes is someone to miss once. Oh, I certainly kill him It's almost like they know how to aim Yeah, well that'd have to be like even a crack shot perfect But it's just like if that really what I think that's an explanation that's applied What is it ad hoc or after the facts to try and justify? um When in reality, it's it actually seemed like the stormtroopers were trying to kill him and they were just bad shots and then The plan was just to say that later Uh, I don't know I'm skeptical on it because taking an awful risk vader if you really wanted them to survive Shooting at them is not a good plan. Yeah, but it's a really good plan. If you want them to be convinced They're not escaping I mean, they are escaping. Sorry Yeah, they're getting also you don't have to be a crack shot to miss somebody yeah I I think I want to go back and just watch that whole sequence just to see like How close some of those shots are because Some pretty close and you know I wonder if every stormtrooper had the memo to not try and kill him because it really seems like trying to kill him just I'm I'm skeptical And if you remember as chat a point, Obi-Wan says that the the crack shots Which is why it fucking sucks far too accurate for sand people Which is very racist, Obi-Wan Which is which is both accurate and very racist First part I'm concerned about They say accurate or precise Didn't he say far too precise? I don't have to check. I can't remember either way Yeah I mean, would you rather be accurate or precise? I guess I accurate No, like you can be precise and not be accurate. That's the problem Precise just means your grouping is very consistent and in the same area So you you can't really be accurate without being precise, but you can be precise without being accurate. I see Interesting uh stormtroopers can shoot quill but not cans quill should have made himself scrap metal armor Why not yeah, why not? Oh, hey, I recognize but metal great armor. That's invincible That is true. Yeah, just make those just without the holy bits. Yeah, fill it all the holy bits At point blank. We cannot shoot through it at all Imagine Cara standing in front of the stormtrooper that has great armor and she's just unloading into it And he's like, ha ha ha you cannot touch me Uh Also hi fringy. He would say hi. He would I swear Sort of ironic that we get a video game about a viral outbreak that kills people during a time We have an actual viral outbreak that kills people. Oh resident evil Yeah, it was always coming out at this point. It's been they've been they've been coming out every two years, right? Or is it one year? I don't even know. There's a lot of resident evils Now what tism argument you've heard you hate the most minds the whole it's a kids movie So all criticism is invalid go drown in milk. Oh my I think my most hated one is that it's fantasy. It's not meant to be realistic So why you you know critiquing it for how realistic the story? Yeah, that that one's annoying as hell. Yeah, and not to mention canon doesn't matter Um, that's a pretty annoying Yeah, I think that if I think what shad said is probably my top one as well So that would be my tentative answer. I might think of something even more frustrating and annoying But I mean what a trifecta It's a kids thing it's fiction and who cares about canon It's like wow you've just that's it. It's all over those three arguments best ones Why must they make stormtroopers a joke? It's like making xenomorphs just a bunch of flies buzzing around and the defenses are It's just a joke Yeah, and I like that's the thing. I wish they weren't jokes. I guess my contention is that unfortunately I feel that they have been made jokes To the point where it's almost irredeemable from what we've seen them do Well, yeah, like it'll be better if they can always pull it back made him Yeah, like it wouldn't it be nice if they did but I still got a lot of Yeah, you know, um humor and laughter out of them. I just blatantly do it I thought it was great Mando reminds me of robocop, but malfunctioned Oh Maybe there was a deleted scene Mando intercepted scout troopers and bluffed to stall for time It sounded like him and they were no dead troopers I mean, we'd be screwed either way if there was a deleted scene that could help with anything because it would be deleted Uh, finally made it to an e-fap. Praise the long man. Hello there More I like you but recent your uploads have been nothing but nonsense. I'm a subbing Also, can we have blessed pipe monon again soon? Thank you um, yeah, you're um your Analysis of rise of sky rock or star was recently that We were saying so much without saying anything. I'm worried. You just agree with it. Yeah, it's it was a bit No, no, no, I agree with it. Thank god. I was gonna say like you guys losing it so What exactly do you have a problem with? The words Yeah, no other than that Oh the visuals No, no, I meant other than the wiz and the visuals Uh the themes Well, when I say other than the words and the visuals, of course that covers themes as well does it You were describing an emotional Counter-intuitive to the overall impression that you would want to achieve when reviewing, you know quality content I disagree Okay, I interpret it differently. Yeah, I interpreted that you're wrong Yeah, I want to get good at better at that. I want to get better at saying A lot of words that mean nothing. I think that would be great. And then making it feel intellectual Which is funny because like they say that's what I do all the time But the first time I tried to do it. They're like, oh, wow, that's a decent video It's amazing because people who don't understand what you're saying Sometimes just assume that it must be so high brown intellectual for me not able to understand it That is a genius and speaking. Absolutely. That's what carries a lot of people through All the time we get these videos and it's like every sentence we stop and we're like, wait, what? That's not correct That thing you said Shad sounds a lot like it's okay to punch a Nazi What oh that's what we were debating about um, uh, that it was uh, it wasn't nearly as bad with Mandalorian, uh Mandalorian betrayed the bounty hunters versus Um, what's he supposedly did against his own group? And I don't think that's uh, yeah, I don't think that's yeah, I don't know where you get that Punch a Nazi. What the hell did jay ever do to you? Oh jay's a Nazi. Oh my god Five hours in why didn't youtube notify me peepo re I'm sorry. It didn't notify a lot of people apparently Welcome to youtube. I miss the clone troopers. I miss competence in star wars. We all do buddy We all do we miss those days. Glad you made it out of surgery shad golem. Make a video, please. Hi rags Hello, thank you, sir. I'm sure I survived as well because You guys probably don't know it was a life-threatening surgery It's just and so Had to go through the wars It was uh, it was uh, you know Risky thing for a time there, but I pulled through. Yeah, you fucking killed it You you murdered the beast with a with a a metaphor sword Shad quote i'm okay with plot armor and quote Damn shad. Well, that's taking out a context. I object sir fight me So this is weird it goes according to my definition of plot armor sometimes You can use an effect to say fight We did Yeah, you did After what the definitions were described. We were like, oh, didn't we kind of agree? Possibly to find something like that. I mean, what are we supposed to do? Well, I mean what is a more valid definition of plot armor because when I hear the actual word I think like Seems like anything that is protecting the main character by virtue of the that's in the plot um And I guess look it's probably a floor definition because your definition works just as well When you say plot armor or something that is Unrealistically protecting the protagonist that isn't justified in the story and yeah, I think that's valid So maybe I just need to readjust my definitions. Oh plot armor is I've never heard it used in a non negative. Sorry non a positive context It's always negative. Um people are always say it's when a main character is life and health and all that They're safeguarded by the fact he's the one person who can't be removed from the story and that's the reason It's like a meta reason. Well, hang on But that see that there actually falls into my previous definition when the protagonist is often protected by the virtue of being the protagonist Because they can't die halfway through this well They can but if you don't want that and the and the writer will arbitrarily Decide that bullets won't hit him and they might hit other people And so that's when I was kind of coming back to isn't that a form of plot armor still then if that's the definition you were using Well, we already covered it. I mean like started giving out reasons for The likelihood of tom hanks's character dying versus others It isn't that he was more likely to die and didn't it's that there's equal likelihood If anything he's less likely because he has more experience Yeah, it's what it's like, but ultimately he only died when he did in that movie The decisions of the like they and they purposely protected him I bet he didn't feel that way in universe No, it wouldn't but while Mandalorian no it does it does it does Mandalorian would be like wow my arm is strong While I don't think there'd be a point I'm gonna use spaghetti bolognese. Okay Don't give me damn shepherds. I hope you enjoy it So this is like this weird set where he goes the fall of shatter versity Just shad shad the movie maker joseph shatterson eric shads on Wind to versity shad trick willams. They're not so great shad guy the wrong shad jx's shad sids Wow, I'll debate much this trigger some people. Oh my gosh But play the elevator music people just want me to play that all the time. I'll debate just go. Oh my god At this point the Benny Hill theme might be better. Hmm. They'll get hit with copyright or anything for that They shad now they shad now Hello shadow mundane shad. I can keep going This is a movie about bad writing intended for shad. I think the one that I think the one that triggered me most was the mundane shad one How dare you? mundane shad Nice tv show you need a ride. How about good writing? The least you could do is give me good writing Shadual harassment Shadual harassment It's still going I might have to appropriate some of these There are movies where a foundational error has to be overcome in order to enjoy it Terminator 2's contradictory time travel and the Martian's initial storm come to mind. I don't forgive those though yeah Those are problems My my point is like I don't want to get into the debate again But like the whole Jackie Chan analogy that sometimes A sacrifice to realism that isn't necessarily explained in the consistency of the world Can be appropriate if it does effectively achieve a more positive outcome and So I think we it's easier to suspend disbelief of Jackie Chan getting hit in the head so much If we can get a longer more suspenseful, you know fight scene overall that we can enjoy And so that's just one example of when I feel you can apply these things in an appropriate way All right, all right Shad you were meant to destroy the disnoids not join them bring balance to video essays not leave them in tism Oh, I don't know. I think you might be exaggerating a bit Give me an example of how I've joined the disnoids and then we'll see if I'm valid I got loads of accusations of that from my april fools video. I was like guys check the upload date I Mean I was with you guys criticizing those last episodes quite a bit like it's not like I'm Unfairly defending it. There's just some points. I guess I think could have been justified or use Straight up surprised when you gave it a three for writing. I I never thought you were gonna go that low That's what I went with. I thought I thought you liked it a lot more than that or at least thought of it higher than that Well, this is the thing right is that I judge it according to different standards And if you tell me if I'm judging it according to a strict, you know Consistency in writing you might find that I have a very similar, you know judgment on it As you but I also judge it against different standards as well and some are more arbitrary to me And and yeah, so as the debate we had before we even went live is it's all about the standard that you're judging it against is my perspective Getting just right vibes from shad you should make emotionally resonant art rather than one is an intellectually satisfying Is he evolving? false equivalence, sir. Give me a proper example that I was giving a similar argument as just right and then Such a slanderous accusation Um, I imagine this is what congris in efap world is. Oh, yeah, probably Shad they are axing you if you're giving it leeway for being in the disney fanatical universe. He called him an old boy by the blu-ray high rags I'd say that one lost to me. That's all references That's some deep lore Um, oh, there's definitely a spectrum here dot dot dot. I I think I know what you're aiming for there, mr. Zach Shad I swear to god you like two bad points away from tearfully asking rag and moeller if they've bought the blu-rays yet Hashtag they called him a disdoid Wow two references and what oh jeez yeah Two different in chat someone is saying I outright said bad writing and laziness is acceptable I will push back on that because you're obviously defining bad writing in a different context to what I was saying because if your purpose in writing something is to try and Make something enjoyable and tame to a large group and sometimes Like you'll more often achieve that through consistent writing But if there is a small sacrifice for the rule of call that is not going to break people's immersion stuff like that That can actually be a positive thing I think you're being too narrow with what your definition of bad writing is Because as a writer and I don't want to do an appeal to authority But these are things that you actually have to consider realistically when you are writing to try and get the most To produce something that people enjoy to the most amounts and I'm not saying sacrifice realism And stuff like that all the time or even often I'm saying if you do you need to do it carefully and judge very cautiously And you can do it effectively in certain instances. That's my point There are no bullets in star wars spoiler. Yeah, but they why you it's not true It wouldn't matter. It's not like you wouldn't just you just it's like, oh these blades They have a thing in them that means they instigate people It's like can we put this in a propulsion system that can be fired from like a magazine Slotted into a thing that I hold in my hand instead of having to learn how to accurately throw knives It's like no Okay, of course projectile weapons still exist Of course, they do obviously A start is part five watch it or you're a heretic. Oh my god Missed all six hours, but I'm glad to see shadow on as are we all Thank you, sir. Um, hey guys joined way late. Is mando still a mare show? I wish it was bad Um, this was some of the longest I'm just saying you could enjoy it Yeah, of course you can Like I enjoy fast and furious movies and they're pretty awful if you're judging it against writing standards and things But I find there's a lot to enjoy in them um This was some of the longest self aware cringe ever. That's a good reference. Hi rags Hello, also horizon zero dawn is coming to pc. I will keep super chatting this until the release date Or until covet takes me. Oh my oh, well, I hope that it um Doesn't take you and that horizon zero dawn releases Yes to a great amount of sales and happiness and joy In defense of ball, but I can't believe I said that. Yeah, I am excited about batwoman That is do you not hear what we all said that was the two and that we love it so much and we laugh our asses off Would rather watch season two of batwoman than mandalori I am thrilled whenever I get the chance to see another batwoman episode I I can never predict what will happen. It is. Oh, I love it so much. It's so terrible There you go a perfect example of loving something as bad possible Oh, yeah in defense of barb I can't believe I said that you did you need to be ashamed The bigger issue is laia is convinced that they're being tracked But takes zero measures to prevent the empire tracking them back to what yavin 4 like switching ships I agree what I would have wanted in a new hope. This is why there is no film without flaw for the most part Um Like I really wish the laia had said more She says like they're tracking us and he says not this ship sister and it's like If she was really concerned about that Why didn't she take any precautions at all like Send a message out to yavin 4 In some way shape or form as they've said switch ships There's a lot of things she could have tried but she sort of just doesn't and we didn't even get a throwaway line like What if she said um, we've got to get this information to them as soon as possible and uh, we can I don't know at worst case scenario move bases or something, but you need something anything Howdy rags why you know likey doom eternal Oh a lot of different reasons It's fine, but I think there's a lot of issues with it in terms of its design and its mechanics and the story and Narrative and stuff like that more than I want to get into at the moment I'm still I want to play it more. I guess and delve more into it, but as it is. I think it's kind of disappointing I think it's okay. I really need to um Actually play it. I still need to find a time slot that matches. I can give it a lot of time, but yeah That's it. We have reached the end of stream labs under super chance I mean it it makes a lot of sense considering our audience has been Perforated to a degree YouTube. Thank you so much YouTube But yeah, uh, it's been fun and Exhaustive, you know in a good way. We've gone through. Yeah, we didn't talk about the themes of season one of mandalorian so you know Fuck you guys. Were they really even trying to play at themes in a obvious manner? I didn't notice any broad kind of statements like Forget the past burden if you have to or something So you got mandalorian's life was started by someone saving him from like hardship and he does that for baby Yoda throughout and Specifically at the end they have a shot to match it one to one with when he was rescued There's probably something in there you could draw out in terms of like the value of life or something Something i'm not too bothered by it myself. See it wasn't a very Overt or obvious statement like that and so you could draw themes out of finding certain things But I don't think that was really that were really even trying very hard. I just hear some stories Here's a band of bounty hunter. Let's it all seemed like a sort of just like let's hope this works And then it did and they were like oh season two sweet It's like let's keep going I don't know why they ever thought it wouldn't work. It's just it's in what way do you feel it works? Oh, just the cool factor. I I never would have had a doubt like as long as they could Literally make it to a three out of ten in terms of writing. They were going to be fine The reduction values carries everything literally tlj is like a two out of ten if we're being kind And it made loads of money And you might be like well, well how and it's like yeah, how because star wars is a is a franchise That's hard to kill. They're doing a great job. I won't deny that um So your three out of ten is that you're like purely based on the writing or is that taking into account all the other things? It did really well like I try I try to clarify that it's for the writing entirely if I was to go because this is the thing tlj and to ros and all the tfa The actors and and um the special effects the costumes the sets the camera work a lot of those shots Even it's like you can't say that they're worth nothing. Um But simultaneously just because they're incredible even if they're 10 out of 10 So it doesn't just save the the writing at all if it doesn't really do anything It doesn't I agree, but if you were to try and give a rating judging everything contained in including like I guess four instead of three That's the problem is that uh The writing is what everything is trying to present to us That's the point of every other detail is just an extension of the writing the visuals the sounds All of it's just based on the writing Yeah, I got a disproportionate enjoyment of just how well they reflected the universe Um, and there's a lot of nostalgia. I was able to enjoy and things and so Yeah, that helped me enjoy it a lot more than I would have otherwise Mandalorians did use projectile weapons. They knew that jedi view blasters as sabre practice. So they used slug throwers And Well, like we said if they block a bullet it melts it and it splashes into their faces molten hot like titanium There you go. All right, all right start. Let's do it I just think there's no way that in this galaxy people aren't like. Oh, yeah, there there are obvious advantages to using Yeah Uh But I still have so many efap villains to meme. I know I think shad's saying if they can somehow be quantified that he would prefer 100 cool moments Uh with 20 issues over 30 cool moments to no issues Yeah, it's an interesting balance. What like do you guys think that would be a valid exchange if you could enhance the overall enjoyment of a piece if you needed to sacrifice that much the problem Is that uh, so if we were on set and we're running out of time and we realize that something doesn't quite make sense And I could totally feasibly be like, yeah guys, we need to focus on the next episode writing it right now We can't we can't think about fixing this. This is most people won't notice this Let's just move on and if someone was there like, hey You're the one who always says that these things are problems that we should solve them But I'd be like we should we just don't have the capacity to right now But it's not even proposing that um That scenario it's basically if you could improve the General audience enjoyment and you say you could even quantify that and I think there are ways by working off what has been successful in the past Um by adding in certain coolness factors, right? But it would legitimately Sacrifice some of the consistency in realism Would you be willing to do that if it had such a higher chances of improving the overall success? I guess a good example would be a look at Lord of the Rings and the ghost army I I think they're quite problematic in terms of a writing thing and if you were like, yeah, but we don't want to sacrifice them They're so awesome. I'd be like, no, let's fix them. We can fix them I'm sure we can fix them And I just don't know that there's a scenario where I will not be able to provide some level of fix that offers either a Different kind of cool moment that's still up there Or the same cool moment. We just find a different way to justify it because the way we currently have is broken I think you're a, you know Acknowledgement of time frame is a valid thing to acknowledge because like for instance, like if you I've spent two years writing a novel And I realize that I have achieved a coolness factor of, you know, like with the analogy that was given But I do notice that there's oh, there's about 20 issues that have helped me to achieve that Rewriting the whole thing To try it like that's such a massive when I could probably publish it And still get as good a return and review and enjoy and people's enjoyment out of it and write a whole additional book a sequel For the time that would have taken me to rewrite and try and fix the problems in the first one Um, I think that's something important to acknowledge as well Um, especially if if it depends what goal I guess you're going for Because for me good writing isn't necessarily It's involved. I'm not saying it's not part of it. I want people to take me out of context context when I say good writing is not necessarily all about consistency And stuff like that another important part of good writing is writing something that is entertaining and enjoyable And that actually should be one of the most prominent You know goals as well as consistency. I'm not saying that these are exclusive But that should definitely be one of the things and that's why the rule of cool can be something to be considered in certain situations where it might be beneficial to Sacrifice certain elements for the overall coolness factor, which is it comes into that Jackie Chan fights in that Sacrifice those things to have all things out of the three Results for me is on one hand. We can fix it on the second hand We can find a different payoff that we can definitely have work or the third is we ran out of time I'll accept it, but it's still a fuck up Yeah, so hang on. What about my point in like do you think it's valid to try and Like write towards the goal of making something As entertaining and enjoyable as possible, which is not necessarily though It's very connected in because consistency is important Don't get me wrong and I'm actually a massive advocate of that in my own right And like one of my for me It's you're building a house in loads of different kinds of ways and that no matter what you do I'm putting scaffolding up when you build it Scaffolding is always going to be there So In order to build your house and if you're like I want to build a house that like and I physically can't build it Scaffolding or not. I'm going to be like you need to change your design So basically is that you essentially saying the same thing where it's like you feel you could try and achieve the coolness with the Being justified. Oh, yeah, I would first try and Like I would try and find a way to build that scaffolding to get you that house you want And if I couldn't I would try and figure out with you What house can we design that you think would achieve the same payoff? As the one you were trying to do that satisfies the scaffolding and then finally if you were like But more I've got one day to submit this. I'd be like, okay, fine. Well, you know, we'll just have to yeah Okay, fine. Like it's probably gonna work on audiences. It's just unfortunate. We couldn't make it make sense See, I don't know. See sometimes I think certain sacrifices for the overall, you know Objective coolness if you can even quantify that are fine And I wonder if it like like maybe you could I need to think about it Like could you always achieve it with consistency? Maybe it's possible. I don't know because I'm not sure like Again, it goes back to that Jackie Chan feising analogy It would be the same thing if you wanted to make it As realistic and you know consistent to the world as possible By having him at show the actual effects that should logically happen by him getting hit in the head so much And I don't think he can achieve that same No, but I don't but the getting a hit in the head is actually integral part to building suspense and showing him struggle in the fighting and things I'm not sure you could achieve as an enjoyable fight scene by adhering to a hundred percent realistic framework I don't think that's true at all Really? I don't even think you think that's true Shad Yeah, I what do you mean? Yeah, I don't think that you really believe that There's no way Like like you you were the one that showed us a realistic fight that was awesome. Remember? Yeah, no one got hit in the head and we were like man. Hang on. Hang on. Which one is that the uh, uh The sword fighting one I showed you yeah, the first time you really felt that's like it is far more realistic than many others But it's far from true realism No sword fight would last that long will be that drawn out with the exchangers No one in the history like that's not how sword fights work But they they're using realistic move they're using realistic techniques and realistic moves and they're Marrying realism with the rule of call at the sacrifice of certain other realistic elements It's actually a great analogy that falls back into the Jackie Chan thing to get a better more entertaining result They have well you were saying that he has to get hit in the head. They were like no I don't No, but my point is to get a more entertaining result Sometimes you do need to make certain sacrifices with realism In terms because in real is realistic frameworks if you want to be consistent with the real world and internally consistent It's just not how sword fights work. Not at all. They don't last that long I have that many exchanges back and forth like that Or or are the reflexes so quick that you can react like that so instantly to catch an incoming strike And so again, it's sacrificing something to get a more entertaining result But it was still wouldn't break anything if they're not behaving exactly as A realistic talented swordsman would as long as they're not doing anything. That's ridiculously stupid Okay All right, so we can easily make arguments for like the competence of the swordsman Yeah, yeah, but you're willing to acknowledge it's still an unrealistic element. That's and then there's factors like The force or what are all special weapons depending on what fiction we're looking at obviously Yeah, I've seen fencing matches that go on for way longer than like a couple of seconds There are problems with that as well Fencing is not equate a real sword fighting. It's a sport. So there's a Effect that um So, yeah, it's a very interesting discussion. I think um That there was uh An acknowledgement um that you know that I think that is the case sometimes and I think that can Can be carried in a further Um Larger example where that trying to achieve the rule of cool at the at that sometimes I'm I wonder if the if there's an equivalence exchange for Consistency with the rule of cool as it is for realism in fight scenes and the rule I'm definitely not I'm definitely not going to make a concession that something is less entertaining because it's more realistic Um, that's if anything Hang on. Hang on. Is that is that is that blanket a universal that is saying here that something can never be more entertaining? So if something will always be more entertaining if it's No, I think what he's saying is universally you'll never have to sacrifice entertainment from something being more accurate Is there anything I don't know about that because that doesn't apply to fight scenes Well, I'd say it's subjective Yeah, I I I don't know. It's Unenjoyable about a fight that can be realistic, especially when you have all the variables that are involved All right, you can make things more realistic, but I like to make it 100 realistic Um, again, there is a subjective element, but you can kind of judge it on because It comes yeah, it goes into million different things, but all of those things could be realistic Yeah, yeah, I agree there. Um, and uh, it also goes into my percentage ratio that you know Can you quantify what most people would enjoy more based on reaction and past and things? And I think you can make objective, um judgments based on percentage values, but anyway, that's gone back to our other debate All right then I'm not saying those are mutually exclusive, by the way I assume you guys are arguing against shad that it can still be 100% cool with 0% issues I mean, you just have to get to specific examples, right? It's gonna be tough to explain all of like it, but For the lack of very very high specific ones in certain scenes like for example, if jj brim said, okay, mola I want to have Uh emperor palpatine zap the entire fleet Like how do you make that make sense? I'd be like that doesn't make sense And I'm probably trying to appeal to him I'd be like dude, we can get away with cool scenes without doing that You don't have to have that scene and besides you're gonna piss off a lot of people Like you may entertain let's say 80% of the audience even that 10% who are like Really like 10% don't care to a degree, but 10% are like angry Um, because you're just screwing with everything. It's like let's just get a different payoff with palpatine in some way Or I mean, I'd be I'd be screwing with the entire film at that point Yeah, and because this is what I was saying that there's obviously a spectrum where you can go way too far with something that you're Sacrificing in regards to consistency Especially canon and stuff like that and palpatine lightning thing is a perfect example That's way too far because it's so blatantly in contradiction to a lot of other things and it makes so many problems with That power level like look, you know with what they were doing in the force in that movie Palpatine having an insane power jump is actually not inconsistent with the movie itself We thought they were showing in there there's power doing everything a thing But they're not consistent with it because suddenly he shoots that at ray and she blocks it with a bloody lightsaber It's like he just took out a fleet with that thing. So Yeah, there's problems with execution and consistency with it more so I'd say Um king brandon said it seems like moeller and rags just refuse to accept all the cheesy stuff Everyone's used to in cinema. They don't want rambo to be badass killing everybody They want him to be a smart a tactical person. It's like, yep Yeah, I I want him to be smart and tactical if he's been Displayed as that in the past specifically. I don't want him to have I don't want him to stand on a hilltop and machine gun a bunch of enemies that they're easily capable of shooting him just because I'd be like you do know there's really easy ways to make someone badass without making them immune to damage Yeah, I'm fine with a badass killing all the bad guys. Look at john wick. How would you do it? Yeah, how they do it is a really integral part of Whether or not I consider it, you know good or not and when we stuck up when we talk about cheesy stuff I mean the way they'll cheesy stuff kind of implies that it's Especially I guess in this context it was very Like it's a negative context to it because it's unrealistic in a way and it's hard to accept as real But hang on because you have acknowledged that you can enjoy things because they're bad or even unrealistic and inconsistent And a good example is the commando movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger where you know He just comes in and destroys everyone and it's it's a lot of fun It's a lot of fun with him just demolishing everyone even though they're shooting at him and they're never hitting um And it's kind of fun because it is unrealistic and it's just him like and so I feel you need to acknowledge some different standards to judge what people can find entertaining because pure consistency That's a different if you wanted to talk about what people find entertaining. That's a completely different conversation Okay, good. Well, I that's it's an important thing to Qualify though if you're going to be trying to find what is or determine what is good quality or something like that Yeah, let's let's talk about why people find tlj entertaining. Let's go Yeah, yeah, I know and I think Like what did they find entertaining about it is something that would be good to try and figure out And then we could try and see all right. Could you achieve that same standard with it? But it's not good. It's not a good thing just because they enjoyed it. Oh, I agree. I agree Well, actually, uh, no, it depends on the standard if you're if you're pure standard is If it's capable of someone capable of enjoying it disregarding writing Well, it'll be interesting to discover why Yeah, it's the same analogy with the room is the room a good move Now objectively with the writing and so many things it's horrible But it's one of the greatest bad movies ever made And so by the fact that i'm even capable of saying that i'm applying a different standard to it saying it's great In some different perspective and measure like your ability to enjoy batwoman so much It's doing something that is causing you to enjoy it Well, we can we can still judge that objectively with by the same standard and it comes out to be Yeah, and you can judge it according to different standards in which it would be like If you were to judge, you know Just what we're saying before we're more when you're looking at say last Jedi with special effects If you would judge it only according to its special effects it probably gets a high rating again It's dependent on the standard you're applying to it Yeah Yeah, if you want sure judge it by its special effects Well, hey, like if someone can enjoy a movie that's just about some guy doing his taxes because they really love taxes There's probably some people who love the last Jedi because they just love special effects so much and they like them explosions Yeah Yeah, but that the key distinction which is why i'm fully on board with you guys If that they say the movie is brilliant in every way because they just love one so much It's like no, did you see the writing the writing was horrible? And so that's when Someone is applying a standard too broadly saying other things were good when it wasn't Would you do monday movies with mohler where you just talk about a movie with chat ones that you take issues with Or ones that you pray is could be good I I don't I don't know uh I feel like my schedule's been um quite busy as of late with with everything that's been going on and um Still haven't found time to record the next set of batwoman episodes. We're still going to do that and meme videos Um, I probably wouldn't be able to keep up a consistent monday movies with mohler, but uh, that does sound like it could be fun Not gonna lie Hey shad, would you do a shadow of the conqueror q&a stream could be a lot of fun? Gee, there'd be a lot of spoilers wouldn't there though. I don't know how And it'll be so niche a lot smaller of my audience maybe on my you know, um Nice launch uh podcasting kind of channel my studio has done because I'm tend to do that Uh, that might suit that more than my main channel Chateaversey is very specific with its content and I need to maintain that specificity to keep the views and interest up Uh shad bruce lee's films featured probably some of the most realistic fighting ever filmed game of death In particular had very believing believable fight scenes and that film was arguably more entertaining than any jackie chan film Oh And not necessarily you want to say bruce lee fights scenes are 100 accurate to real fights. No most fights to great Well, it what was the implication that they're more realistic or he says some of the most realistic some of the most realistic and Yeah, there's a lot more realism in And to say that they're better than every jackie chan one. Well, that's a subjective thing you can like so Um, you can't say they're better than jackie chan's because they're more realistic Because again, that's subjective some people find the jackie chan one's far more Like better and I guess it depends on the standard You know, do they're like a bit of humor and story kind of evolution in the fighting because jackie chan is great at that But if you prefer pure realistic kind of fighting, well, then bruce lee would win in terms of what you're enjoying more um Moscow is on quarantine till may I guess it's time to rewatch all of e-fap again might be in a tight fit though praise the dawn Good luck, sir Good luck. You have plenty of things to catch up on Palpatine tells final order fleet to fire up the new jamming tech to jam all their ships Your rebel fleet is useless here. It's hopeless fixed um Oh, you mean instead of doing well if jj was theoretically going for his giant payoff of lightning affecting all of the ships That wouldn't be the same would it that wouldn't really be a fix because that's not very exciting for an audience to see Palpatine going jam them all and then they press a button and it jams them be like, oh Plus that's just adding Yeah, it's like why didn't you use that before? It does all the things it needs to do and I bet we'll never hear from that again Remarkable re-shadlican extra shaddits Shadobe Shad man gaming jim shaddling shad table You guys have a lot of enemies. Yeah Sorry, hang on. Have they done the emergency shad? No Oh, no, that's sorry. I'm getting that one mixed up with um with Oh channel shad or shad awesome. Hmm Can't forget that one But yeah, that's um that is it so I suppose the only thing to do before we exit arena Is uh shad do you want to tell people to go and watch all of your videos from the beginning to the end? All right, mohler has told me guys you have to watch all my videos from beginning to end Otherwise mohler will kill you I'm just mean I have to say it is told me to I told you to leave that part out of it because that's like apparently that's illegal now Oh, yeah killing people. Yeah How stupid is that like a giant plough hole? Uh Got it. There you go. Link is in description and in the chat Yeah, and I think everyone knows where I'm from by now. Yeah, you've you've been on here, uh To some time you've been on here before right like an episode or two maybe one. Yeah, I think At least once I think I think um Welcome back shad Hi rags Hello, and bruce lee's fight scenes are far from realistic game of death was okay. Oh super chats are fighting each other now Um, I will say bruce lee's fight scenes are more realistic than a lot of others especially at the time because he was actually applying far more realistic kind of techniques and he like He actually was like they choreographed it in the sense that his hits were actually having some weights to them A lot of chinese style martial art fights things at a time period The hits have very little weight and they constantly going back and forth and and things and so bruce lee's style really took this in the world by storm when he You know started making more realistic kind of ones, but they're not fully realistic. I completely agree. They're far from what a real fight is Um, uh, there are realistic techniques. He's using but you know Yeah, they're like if you want to see real fighting just look up certain youtube videos and you'll see how real fighting goes and brusel um This one says they buy now They buy now and fix your mic southpaw. Yes southpaw. Yes southpaw fix your fucking mic All right. Um anything else you guys want to want to say before we hop off It has been a pleasure. Lots of fun guys. Absolutely. Yeah, Mandalorian's done poor Mandalorian Can't wait for season two. Yeah We'll be doing this again. Maybe hey random question am I like the Most contentious guess that gets into debates with you guys more often. I enjoy it. Like I really like going forth, but it seems like to be one of the regular things that happens when I come on I'm trying to think of like who would be your competition. I don't think there is any It's not a bad thing No, I'll take that. I'll take that No, I don't know. I'm not sure Not certain. Maybe major lee. We need to get major lee back We should watch major lee's video with major lee And watch him suffer as he realizes the cros ruined his video whether or not we did um But yeah, uh, thanks for hanging out as long as you did mr. Shad and we shall we shall always have you back Um, thank you, sir. And both of you maulah and rags pleasures always love you guys And keep safe People do our best. Thank you for the donations peepa runes. Thanks for watching and uh rags and I shall return next week for shenanigans of some kind um Yeah, oh and the last one. How could I forget major shad? gross Thank you all for watching everybody. Good night. Yeah, I won't see ya