 Thank you, Jenny. Thank you, Jenny Patrick I asked you on your AMA What state you were born in and you said find out on today's DTS? Well, I think you'll be glad to learn that dear Tom. I was born ready You're a sewer. So you were born in the state of readiness. Yeah, interesting. Well, oh, right, okay That's good. I thought you were gonna roll the the intro. I was this That would have been better what you were imagining I was going to do now that I realized that all right, but instead we're gonna do it like this This is Siri the Daily Tech news show by Tom Merritt is brought to you by all of the supporters at patreon If you also want to support Tom go to patreon.com slash ace detect that is patreon.com slash AC ED TCT and thanks as always for listening to the Daily Tech news show This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday, August 11th, 2015 on Tom Merritt joining me today Patrick Beja DTS contributor an independent podcaster of such shows as pixels the Philius Club the rendezvous tech and more and currently in the midst of Reddit AMA Wow, I'm I'm spent. I don't know if I have enough energy to do the the show Tom these this AMA No, it's super fun lots of people coming to the DTNS subreddit Asking questions. I'm gonna keep going. So if you're listening live You can go to the subreddit and ask more and I'll be here to answer after the show. Yeah, big Thanks to everybody sub guns Tom Gherky Kyle who takes care of the spam and of course Scotty Roland and Setting up the AMA idea. That was a great idea. Yeah. Thanks very much Scotty. You guys are the best. Let's get into some headlines Google incorporated will change to alphabet incorporated. We mentioned this when it broke during the show yesterday But it's already in hot water Reuters reports that BMW is quote examining whether there are any implications over trademarks Why? BMW's alphabet service provides services to vehicle fleets and operates in 18 countries supplying 530,000 vehicles to corporate customers They're currently however 103 trademark registrations in the United States alone that include the word alphabet So a trademark owner would have to show a likelihood of confusion in order to prove Infringement we're gonna get deeper into discussing all the shakeout of Google's restructuring into alphabet later in the show But what do you think the chances are Patrick of BMW even bringing a suit? They're not even bringing any legal action right now I I don't think anyone will Google might be getting into cars though. I mean they have their self-driving cars So there might be some measure of confusion there But I'm guessing that Google has lawyers and they have you know, I think I've heard that I've heard that they have lawyers Yeah, it's the prevailing theory. So I think they're gonna be okay Yet worst case scenario, they're gonna pay a little bit of money I think you know Larry Page and Sergey Brin really like the name alphabet now. They're into it. So I think they're gonna Tech crunch reports Facebook is adding video to it the ads its partners in the Facebook audience network can run on their site These new ad formats include and that's gonna delight everyone using Facebook autoplay video Multi-image carousel ads Dynamic product ads and more traditional interstitial interstitial click to play video ads Yeah, so this is this is Facebook selling ads on other people's sites You can you can use Facebook as your ad provider and they've been testing the video ads on their own site And I guess they work well enough. They're like, hey, we're gonna we're gonna add that to to the sponsors So you'll get those crazy autoplay video ads that play smoothly as you scroll Which is impressive technology mind you But they'll appear on other sites Josh Constantine at TechCrunch in this article pointed out Patrick that This is a way for Facebook to cut down on the number of ads on Facebook Because what they're doing is collecting all this information about you on Facebook and then targeting you on other sites Where they can sell those ads and make lots of money. I Will you know wait for the day when I actually start seeing less ads on Facebook for me to be, you know Thinking this is where it might be But I don't know about you, but especially on mobile the second post I see on Facebook is always always an ad I don't see them throwing away money by reducing the amounts of ad they have on their site anytime soon especially since they have very little competition in the in that field, you know in the dominant social social Market social network Field later down the line maybe but I'm not holding my breath Yeah, they'd have to believe that reducing the ads on Facebook would increase user retention and users data collection somehow for that to make sense and So the ads would need to be so annoying that people are leaving and for that to happen They need to have something else to leave for which is I don't I don't think really an alternative for now I am showing my age with this story I know because I am still a fan of hugely powerful laptops and Lenovo has announced two of them their workstation class laptops based on the Skylake Mobile Zeon processors according to ours Technica the P 70 and the P 50 they both feature Zeon e 3500 mv5 processors and video quattro discrete graphics support for up to 64 gigabytes of D ram ECC DDR4 ram to be specific to terabyte spinning hard disk one terabyte PCIe SSD and The machine will feature Thunderbolt 3 ports one on the P 50 and two on the P 70 they both have USB 3 HDMI Mini display port gigabit ethernet an express card slot an optional smart card reader and the screen options are 1920 by 1080 or 3840 by 2160 although you can only get a touchscreen with the 1920 by 1080 also comes with an x-right Pantone color sensor below the keyboard to color calibrate the screen It's 7.6 pounds And the P 70 comes with a DVD RW drive how about that for a throwback? Although you can swap that for another hard drive or SSD and a 17 inch screen the P 50 is a 15.6 inch screen and that one weighs less 5.6 pounds no optical drive either $1,599 for the P 50 a thousand nine hundred ninety nine dollars for the P 70 So I think there's a niche market for these types of Computers, it's it's really transportable at this point. It's not really a laptop You know, I don't think anyone would put this on their lap for an extended period of time I'm thinking gamers I'm thinking gamers might be interested in this Some people who need You know strong calculation powers like I don't know red people who do rendering Video editing goes in there Well, even video editing unless you're doing 4k you can pretty much do that on 4k video editing editing well Lots of virtual machines, which is usually the reason that I justify buying an overpowered laptop to be honest Yeah, I'm really struggling to see who would need the DVD RW drive though. Although forget I said this we're gonna get emails from people who the same people who sent emails about the fax machines But I'm curious too like that I know there are legitimate reasons But I'm curious what those reasons are these days and it probably has to do a lot of times the customer support Same as the fax machine emails did probably Venture beat reports firefox 40 is available for Windows Mac linux and Android Among improvements firefox will now warn you before visiting a page known to contain deceptive software downloads It also has a new windows 10 friendly design and the browser will warn users of any Uncertified add-ons. Yeah, that's part of a plan to eventually prohibit Uncertified add-ons. So they're starting now by just warning you next version They'll disable them and then they'll make it so you have to change the setting for uncertified add-ons to be used at all Which is a good thing. I think that's I think that's why as long as they continue to give you the option to override that This is all good stuff. Is it really though? Isn't isn't that the kind of thing that we berated Apple for doing with the App Store and disabling the non App Store certified or signed apps On 10 you mean? Yeah. Yeah, but I never did because they give you a way to override that which I do so Yeah, there were concerns. I guess Apple is not you know and extensions are a little different than than App Store apps I suppose but but again to me. It's all about do I still have ultimate control then giving me a little More of a preventative measure up front. I'm willing to be good with it makes sense The Verge reports last pass will let folks use its mobile apps for free now The catch is they will charge you for syncing if you want to use apps on multiple platforms So you can use one app on your phone for free You can use an app on your desktop for free But if you want to share the account, that's when you pay Previously you could use last pass on the desktop for free But you had to pay for the other versions last past premium cost you $12 a year and it is also and this I've always been a little Uncomfortable with it's also the only way to support multi-factor authentication on last pass Which I think is a requirement if you're going to use a password manager. I Recommend anyone use last pass or any other, you know software password management software 12 bucks a year It's really not that much the thing though I think only having used for it on One device basically because the whole point of last pass is that you can generate passwords that are so complicated So complex that you can't remember them. So you have to sync them So I'm wondering if making it so you can't sync the passwords doesn't diminish The the the use case for last pass because you're gonna have to be choosing easier passwords Yeah, and that one and that's why This is a step better. They're saying look We're not going to penalize you because you start using last pass on one device That happens to be mother and another but we're gonna charge you for the service of being able to use it on multiple devices You only own one device. You're great. Just use it for free, but you can't use it out to me I'm more bothered by the fact that you and you can't use multi-factor authentication then On that one device that yeah Hmm. Yeah Sighting latent latent demand Canonical has convinced BQ to open sales of the acheris e 4.5 and e5 HD Ubuntu phones worldwide According to TechCrunch, Spain's BQ previously only sold the phones in Europe the e 4.5 costs 170 euros minus 10 cents and the e5 HD costs 199 euros and 90 cents network frequencies are meant for the EU So you may not get the best coverage in all countries. Yeah, you're not gonna get fully LTE here in the US on these phones. I don't think but That's Hmm. I want to be excited and say oh cool. They're opening it up worldwide That's great, but I kind of wonder if it's because they're not telling enough of them It that latent demand. Yeah, maybe we're not in the circles that are latently demanding The canonical, you know Ubuntu phones, but I'm really not hearing about it. Maybe maybe maybe, you know, maybe some Providers some service providers are saying this phone is a great deal for the price We pay in the margin we can make and we can sell it to our customers, but I don't know The Verge notes a new Android phone from next bit will arrive September 1st now before you yawn or fast forward You should know that next bit is run by former Google Apple Amazon and HTC employees So kind of an all-star team of people making this chief technology officer Mike Chan was an early member of Android And he promises the next bit phones will perform better the longer you use them, which I find intriguing CEO Tom Moss also another early Android team member promised software updates will augment performance and cloud services will expand its storage Costs of the phones will run between 300 and 400 dollars This you know former Google Apple Amazon and HTC employees is very Hmm, it's non-specific. It's almost like that those movie you see where the you know The main selling point is by the producer Because you can legitimately go yeah So the people who weren't good enough to stay at Amazon HTC although I don't necessarily think that's the case like that that's a legitimate point of view I suppose Yeah, no, I don't I don't even think you know, it's it's the people who aren't good enough for sure Some people legitimately who are good want to leave the company at some point But I guess I've read so many times in the gaming industry as well, you know former Blizzard employees the people who worked on Diablo back in the early 2000s and it's their next game former world of Warcraft employees Sure sure and the thing is there's more to just a couple of people to Those products usually but I don't treat by this idea that they can make a phone perform better the longer that you use it I'm also very skeptical about that, but they have my attention Yeah, maybe it arranges the system in a way that is more efficient or maybe it's mostly adapts to your usage somehow Yeah, for sure. It could be great. It's just you know, it's skeptical Polygon Polygon rather reports some analysis from Superdata claiming Blizzard's Hearthstone pulls in about 20 million dollars a month That's almost evenly split the between the desktop and mobile versions of the game and the estimates were created based on data from credit card company sales and Publishers internal numbers. They do say their margin of error is only a couple percentage points here usually so I Wouldn't be surprised honestly if they're pulling in 20 million dollars a month But that is surprising that it is not surprising. Does that make sense? I guess the market for digital card games was nowhere near that amount before Blizzard entered the arena and disclaimer. I'm a former Blizzard employees So I might be a little bit biased the thing I find the most fascinating though with this is They have been very public with the fact that the team was about 15 people when the game launched so let's imagine those people are paid on average a hundred K a year and They worked on it for let's say three years. We get to the amount of Four to five million dollars budget. Let's double it just for a good measure Let's say the game cost 10 million dollars to make they're making they they're bringing in and I understand that's not all profit But they're bringing in 20 million dollars a month Yeah, each each of those team members is bringing in 1.3 million dollars a month Well, there it's more than 15 people now. I think they grew sure 35 but it's it's quite staggering, you know, it's the kind of of success story that we hear for that I'm sure, you know games like The Supercell games or Kenny crush bring in a lot more But they also rely heavily on marketing and they sink the hundreds of millions in marketing I don't think that's the case case for Blizzard But yeah, the building of the game and the budget for the building of the game is what really struck me When we first launched it and the success was disproportionate. I don't think anyone could have guessed It would have been that that's successful. Yeah, I mean low risk in the sense of not spending a ton on it higher award Wow, yeah, sure. And if you haven't tried it, go check it out. It's very cool. Everyone get in here Reuters reports on a Dutch software engineer who is working on an autonomous quad copter He says we'll be able to transport passengers without manual control These are our self-driving flying cars folks at least he hopes so his quad copter is named quadro And he wants it to function like a conventional earthbound taxi quadros 20 engines are powered by lithium ion batteries And they have an aluminum alloy structure Thorsten Krins the creator has managed to keep a passenger in the air for 10 seconds so far But you know he doesn't have permission to test this outside of a very small area So he started negotiations with the Dutch government for a flight permit and skies the limit literally Well, it's you know, he's starting small but 10 seconds How long did the Wright brothers stay in the air the first time is 30 some seconds? Maybe it wasn't much longer I don't remember. Yeah, exactly. So, you know start small It's it's it's very cool that he's one person doing it and it wouldn't be so surprising that you know He gets cooped up by by some Company in the Silicon Valley and and they say sure 10 years soon I will be like guy. Have you been to Amsterdam? You've taken there like self-flying taxis there. They're amazing The the Thorsten copters. They're awesome. I think Elon Musk should talk with him Yeah, and as we mentioned at the top of the show Asked me anything last week with me this week with Patrick Beja on the Daily Tech news show subreddit DailyTechnewshow.reddit.com Get in there and vote people the more you vote the better the news gets you actually affect the world Okay, maybe that's over-promising, but it does help us make our lineup Jack R. B sent us the Verge report that researchers at the University of California, San Diego have found a way to hack into the onboard Diagnostic dongle the OBD port if you hear of that There's a dongle from a French company called mobile devices which is used by insurance company Metro mile They say look you agree to put this in the port We'll give you a better deal on insurance. They also happen to have a partnership with uber and the researchers Were able to craft a text message send it to the cellular connection of that dongle Which then gave them access to the windshield wipers and the brakes at least at low speeds on a 2013 corvette researchers alerted metro mile in june Of the vulnerability and an update was already pushed to the devices Uh, I guess the other fix would have been pulled that thing out of the port, but it's already patched Yeah Well, this one doesn't seem as alarming as you know, the other ones from a few weeks ago They are all shouldn't be that alarming Except for the idea that car companies aren't taking these sorts of things seriously enough This one I agree with you. This is less about that They're like, oh we found a vulnerability in an accessory and we patched the accessory and this is the way it's supposed to work Right here. This is actually good news Security researcher found problem problems are definitely going to exist. We want them to find them and we want them to get patched SP Sheridan sent us the news that bright aid pharmacy will accept apple pay and google wallet Starting august 15th. That means they'll turn on They'll turn their nfc readers back on Meaning the forthcoming android pay and any other nfc-based system should work as well Right aid is part of the consortium Supporting currency an alternative mobile payment system that is yet to be rolled out This is just silly currency came along and said all of our members are shutting off nfc We're not going to take part in this apple pay thing. We have our own system At least for now and now For whatever reason they're starting to turn them back on right aid is just the latest of the best buy is turned There's back on cvs has not turned theirs back on cvs is another pharmaceutical change But for whatever reason they decided not to accept those payments For a while anyway, and now they've changed their mind Well, they they saw the writing on the wall. It's I guess they realized now that Even though there are chances of outpacing the other payment solutions are slim They're less slim if they allow those payments solutions to work concurrently with theirs So yeah, we'll see how it takes out. Exactly. They're still going to roll out currency and we will let the people decide That is a look at The headlines if you're wondering by the way, if you're wondering about the oracle sort of fiasco that's out there. We have some people in the chat room mentioning it. There is a security head of oracle saying that she didn't want people messing with code We're not going to touch that because she pulled the the post and and it really is kind of a tempest in a teapot And it's also just typical oracle bluster But you might want to go read about that if you're interested in the opposite view of what I just said about security researchers doing their job All right, let's talk about alphabet Uh full disclosure. My wife is an employee of google Which has not yet changed its name to alphabet, but it will and then I'll say she's an employee of alphabet Here's the all the inside knowledge. Wait, wait, wait She she will be an employee of google a wholly owned subsidiary of well Yeah, she's already an employee of youtube a wholly owned subsidiary of google So that kind of I don't know how that affects much Uh, it's it's kind of weird to get your head around it. So full disclosure. Here's what I was heard from eileen my wife Uh, she said hey, so you heard about alphabet. I said, yeah, yeah, we got a memo And that was obviously an extent of our interaction And my inside knowledge on alphabet This is an interesting tactic a lot of people have never been exposed to this But apparently this is not an unusual thing for companies to do when they're restructuring Uh, the one that jumped to my mind was national amusements National amusements is the company that owns viacom and cbs And when people find that out it causes no end of confusion because they think well, wait a minute cbs and viacom are the same company Yes, but no cbs and viacom are part owned by national amusements Which is a holding company that owns a majority stake in both, but those two companies are not the same That's not exactly what alphabet is doing here What actually many wall street analysts are saying is this looks more like berkshire hathaway Which is the company owned by warren buffett They have CEOs in charge of all of the companies that berkshire hathaway owns and then they dole out capital That they are acquiring from those companies to the other companies Sort of in a not a startup mode, but in a venture funding mode to to build up these other businesses Now the big difference is one berkshire hathaway's money cow is insurance and Alphabets will be searched. The other difference is alphabet Is got one profitable company google And berkshire hathaway has many profitable companies berkshire hathaway looks for bargains and then builds those companies into profitable companies Google seems to be wanting to just do bets on future possibilities that might turn into something profitable someday I think there's also the fact that google Started out as google and then grew tentacles and then outgrew itself into alphabet Whereas I would guess that berkshire hathaway Was a conglomerate of different companies that came together, right? You know, I don't want to get too far into the history of berkshire hathaway because I bet there's at least 20 percent of the audience That knows it better than I do But it started with railroads if i'm remembering right it started with him buying a company and then buying another company and so Yeah, it grew right more with the intention of being a conglomerate at the beginning. I believe then google did Yeah, exactly. So I think that's why at least even if it's not Completely accurate. It seems like a stranger move for google to do that The other thing I think which is which really struck me If we look to other companies in tech and in the silicon valley I think it says a lot about what sir gay brinn and larry page Want google to be that's basically what they what they were saying in their different memos when they created the company And yesterday when they announced this It's you know a company like Let's say apple or microsoft apple has a sort of ethos a kind of philosophy that St. Steve jobs had put together when he was alive and now is Raining down on its followers, you know and and they they go from there What they want to do In technology what they want to do use technology for and spawn products out of that Microsoft I would argue also has a very clear direction even though it's scattering a little bit recently It's clearer now than it used to be and a lot of people are saying this is google trying to avoid becoming microsoft to be honest Exactly and and and I think google has shown in this move that they are Uh There's google which is basically we can talk about this a little bit more But it's it basically search everything that relates to or that search makes all the money right? Yeah, absolutely But it says uh the the creation of alphabet says We want to do many different things that have nothing to do With uh what google does and it had been the case for a few years now when people had been saying, you know So what does google even do what does it mean? They do health they do, you know those weird google x experiments They want to bring internet to lots of different places And that what does anything that have to do with google? Even, you know, I think this is clarifying the The way they look the the founders look at google, which is basically Their playground they have the search that's bringing in all the money And then other things that they think is in are interesting and that you know, they want to change the world with Yeah, a lot of people believe that's the main motivation here is that larry and sergue still want to do things that are crazy And might change the world and google was just the first of them and as far in their past As far as being an interesting way to try to change the world hence all of these things that patrick was just mentioning And really what this seems to be from my best reading Is a way to accommodate investors who are uncomfortable with that the first thing they did if you remember They split their stock out into two different stocks. Those will continue to trade under google and google l One of those is a stock that gives larry and sergue a lot more control of the company Uh, and and we can we don't need to go into why uh, that's a whole you know Go listen to a financial podcast for an explanation of that But they got that control and then their next step was to say We are now going to take the money making arm google search ads maps apps youtube android Put that in a in a column Report that as its own company with its own ceo Then we're going to take all this other stuff we like to do and we're going to make those into their own companies And interestingly enough what they've said is they will report all of those together under one number So that the loss is mitigated still by some of you know the gains of the others And what I bet will happen is if calico, which is their health Company or nest which is the consumer products company starts to make money They'll they'll pull that column out and they'll say okay This one's viable now too and they'll keep all of their experimental ventures in one lump sum So it doesn't get as much investor attention and so that they can continue to point to google and say look How well google's doing it's doing great. Look at all the money. It's making it's making so much money because the cost of these other Companies won't drag on those earnings reports For sure. This is definitely what they they seem to be doing. There are so many questions in this. It's it's mind-boggling But I guess the thing that strikes me the most is the fact that they're basically they're not abandoning the name google But when other companies in the field Put so much so much effort and have so much love For the brand that they've built the fact that they can detach themselves Even to a certain extent to a small extent from the google brand, which is their baby is is mind-boggling But well, and I think that's actually I think that's actually Makes sense to me is the holding company Is alphabet they're they're saying the brand should stay with the search engine because that's what the brand means That same way that national amusements is the holding company That owns most of cbs and most of icon Of course, it's just i'm looking at this from a founder's emotional attachment point of view I couldn't imagine bill gates, you know letting go of the name microsoft It's his right or apple right or yeah exactly even without steve jobs around anybody and apple would be like what we can't No, we can't change the name of the company from apple. What are you talking about? And here they're like well whatever we'll call it alphabet at school as well So they're they're really focusing on what they want to do But anyway, so a couple of things come to mind First of all, do you think that we'll ever get to a point where? You know the investors are I don't even know if they would have that power with all of the control that The founders have but would start demanding not now because google is making lots of money, but down the line Guys, uh, it's been 15 years. Maybe that calico thing you should let go of it It's losing money. We're bleeding. We're averaging money here. Uh Is that a danger in danger of happening at some point? Well, and I wonder it is now I wonder if this is also a move to make that easier, right? So they google just went through the process of having a wholly owned subsidiary called motorola And then spinning off that wholly owned subsidiary by selling it to Lenovo And that may have sparked an idea. Maybe it didn't to to make it easier like Boy, if we need to get out of calico or if we need to get out of nest Uh, it would be a whole lot harder to do that right now than it was to do motorola, which was hard enough So let's make it so that when we start to get a pressure on something if we do do need to bail if we do decide It's not worth the money anymore. Uh, we can easily split it off. Uh, just just for people's awareness What we know are the companies that alphabet will hold our google which we mentioned calico, which is the health Uh research company that we're talking about nest, which is consumer products fiber Which is the internet service provider google ventures, which goes around investing in companies google capital Which was an investor fund google x, which does loon and self-driving cars and all of that and life sciences Which is different than calico life sciences does the the contacts that can sense glucose in your eye I believe this is something of motorola's research lab that google kept and made its own unit That's so i have another point, uh that i wanted to make how Incredible is it that sundar pichai is now in charge of google? He's the ceo of google. He's also an indian I'm you know, I'm always struck when I look when I watch Keynotes and presentations, especially at google, but at any tech company by the amount it might be a Sideway thought i'm sorry if it is but by the amount of Indians and really the multiculturalism that there is in those silken valley companies And the fact that an indian guy is now in charge of google, of course, he doesn't come out of nowhere, but Is kind of mind-boggling to me, especially because I think in france where we have a lot of immigration as well I can't really imagine this happening for you know a lot of reasons but I don't know it's it's it's uh Shocking to me and in a good way of course that sundar pichai is you of google now Well, and sargey brinn is president of alphabet now Uh, also a success story of immigration as well. So yeah, but isn't isn't he America isn't he american now? I i'm guessing i believe he's become a citizen now. Um, but you know, I mean i'm What the citizenship status Currently aside you're talking about people who were born somewhere else and and kind of had to figure out their way in a foreign country What what i'm trying to say is you know If sundar pichai can make it, maybe I could maybe anybody can make it. No, I think that's great. Yeah, absolutely possible Uh, let's get to our pick of the day our boss in sunny british columbia jamie Wanted to let us know about an app Uh out of came out a little while ago evernote scannable. It's free You don't necessarily have to be a big evernote user to take advantage of it provides an intuitive way to scan documents and business cards into your phone The ui finds documents automatically captures it when there's enough data on screen and the quality of the image produced is phenomenal I use this constantly the pictures can then be sent off as attachments saved a camera roll or synced to your evernote account The best scanning app that jamie has ever used I use one called cam scanner, but I might give this a try. It sounds like jamie's really excited about it You know, I think you should I've been using it for a few months And if there is one area where you don't think there's going to be innovation It's cell phone scanning apps, right? It seems like you point your camera. You press the button and it captures the thing Um, scannable was actually purchased I think by evernote And it just so people understand how it works You you point the camera at the the thing, but it takes the picture itself Once it sees that it has a proper view of the element, you know, be it a credit card or a piece of paper And and you don't have anything else to do you could uh change them Capture three four five ten of them Super quickly. It's a fantastic app. I love it Send your picks to us feedback at daily tech news show dot com and you can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks All right, few messages to get through before we're done. Uh matt from oh, it's hot los vegas says, uh The value I get from the show is more than worth a few dollars a month Well, thank you on the conversation about postmates and the delivery fees yesterday I thought I would mention something quite funny We learned that postmates gives you a randomly generated referral code when you sign up Each time someone uses your code you get ten dollars credit towards delivery Turns out that her referral code is free. Many people use this code So as of now we have more than 280 dollars in delivery credit with postmates Can a pick be entropy? I don't I don't understand how this happened, but apparently, uh, the randomly generated code Was also a code that people just typed in Randomly and got a lot of credits. That's awesome Well done matt Uh, we got an email from drew in sunny boulder, colorado I had a thought on your discussion about the proliferation of these uber of services I think that what we want is something like amazon when you think about it amazon is really a broker of trust I think that uber is essentially the same even in the wake all the talk about uber driver employees potential rate hikes Loyal uber riders still choose uber over taxis because the cars are clean the ferris transparent The payment's easy and the time is well established and if anything goes wrong there's accountability and reviews This is just one more place where the internet is slowly removing a market inefficiency to the benefit of the consumer The phone book is a terrible way to find a plumber a locksmith a taxi a travel agent food delivery And we're watching the internet fix that with asymmetrical information Uh, fix that asymmetrical information problem I Oh, sorry. You wanted to read the other one too. No, go ahead Um, I you know, I was listening to the show You did with Veronica yesterday and I I'm super thankful to drew for sending this email because it Gives us a chance to address it again. Um, I completely agree with him You are talking about uh, things where the service would come in addition to Another service the thing where uber succeeds is that is where the internet succeeds It's basically disintermediation, right? It removes the need for a giant, uh, taxi company that organizes thing the way it wants And makes it more Free flowing and I absolutely think I would want ubers of everything because There are in many areas where the that disintermediation and the the connection Between the customer and the service provider is sorely needed. The plumber is an excellent example I had very bad experiences with plumbing issues A year or a year and a half ago and my immediate thought was we need an uber for plumbing Yeah, basically a purveyor of trust is is the key factor there Harish, uh fellow patron from india agrees. He says I think mobile web has changed the paradigm of search So the people no longer resort to searching just to get information They search to immediately procure a physical good or service In which case there is a lot of scope for companies to act like the middleman and connect The resources to the people who need them at some point the market will realize that it doesn't need 10 different companies Offering the same service, but I think companies like this are bound to come up in any situation where there's an unorganized or underutilized resource Agreed And rich from lovely cleveland wanted to weigh in on alphabet. We should probably should have moved this up Earlier he says my first thought this is google pushing against the idea that it's the new microsoft Hey, that's where I heard that Uh, which seems to be the popular narrative in the tech press While obviously searches their corporate tentpole I think they want to move away from microsoft's balmer philosophy of everything the company does Having to feed into the tentpole and perhaps this frees some of their efforts from their original a sensible mission of organizing the world's information Thanks. I think they just they just want to have fun. You know, they're basically like Cindy in the in the 80s Larry and sergi just want to have fun Yeah, they want they want to change the world and have fun doing it I I think that that is true of them whether whether they're going to be successful or whether you believe them The whole different thing, but I I think that's really what they're Thinking they are doing There were a few people who also, uh noted, uh, you know, the only reason they're doing this is to make money You know, google is here to make money and of course, you know, everyone every company is there to make money The question is how are they going about making money? And even in the case of google, I think their other experimental ventures might not be primarily to make money Now but yeah It's like yum brands yum brands owns taco bell kfc Uh several other restaurants that I can't remember right now like the green burrito or something But uh anyway burrito that sounds not very tasty. No, uh, and then regarding htc marland Marlin a proud co-executive producer wrote in and said the fact that htc is in the position It is it's because of poor choices. They have bad marketing. You references the, uh, iron man Robert Downey commercials they've consistently made poor choices remember the first htc facebook phone Tom n says regarding htc's market value He points out this is a totally reasonable situation for a company to be valued less than the cash They have on hand because it could owe as much as the assets are worth And if the profitability outlook is grim the company could be worth close to zero Fair point tom and thank you for bringing that up. I don't think that's the case with htc I don't think they have an amount of debt. So it is the profitability That is the problem and then I wanted to point out that brian barrett at wired Kind of has the opposite opinion from marlin. He says what htc did wasn't htc's fault It was a smartphone market that simply didn't have room for more than a handful of players One in which being different no longer counted for much, uh, samsung and apple just got their first is uh, Barrett's contention, which I imagine marlin might say well, that's because they were better Uh, which would be a fair argument, but uh for whatever the reason it it is kind of sad to see Htc which made really good phones struggling so much Yeah, I think all of these things can be true at the same time. Yeah, there were a couple of really good htc phones But Yeah, I don't think they ever stood out. I guess is a reasonable consensus And that is it for the standout episode that is this daily tech news show episode of the patrick masia Uh, thank you sir for joining us. Where can people get more patrick? Should they desire it? Which I bet they will Oh, I I hope they will I'm on twitter. 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Yeah It's looked to fluctuate nice people re-added their credit cards, which we're Full about and I saw one new guy so awesome. Yeah, I have the same house from here Yes, thank you new guy and thank you people who re-added Yeah All right fun show Yes, what should we call it? Oh, right options Allow me to give you some options Oh alphabet suit I All clever dark redeemer very clever for that one. I don't get it because of the bmw trademark. Yeah Okay, I still don't get it. You're not liking it. Okay. All right. No, no. No, it's just I don't because they're a potential lawsuit Ah, okay. Okay. All right. All right. Now I getting it all on google. I like Yeah YouTube a holy own subsidiary of google a holy own subsidiary of alphabet Hey, I got I got another one next lab a holy own subsidiary of youtube a holy own subsidiary of google a holy own subsidiary of alphabet I mean at some point isn't it just going to be earth a holy own subsidiary of alphabet Yeah The moon too I like CEOs just want to have fun, but you know, that's good. I like that too If you if you can if you can sing it when you say it it's good can you No No, what are we singing CEOs just want to have fun. Oh That's all I really want Yeah, alphabets as easy at a abc.xyc It's that's the url. That's good. I like that. It's clever I like that google goes full russian dolls Oh right with the interlocking. Yeah, yeah, yeah, gotcha a little of column a a little of column b c d That's nice. I like that a lot. That's good. Good job. I see you Oh, here's a great one. You know why this is great because it's a jannis dapple one big google and the holding company nice And it and it implies that google is big brother, which Yeah All right, you know, I mean I mean they pay for my health insurance. I can't be too hard on them I they don't pay for my health insurance. Although they're my you know All right. They pay taxes Yeah, I know. Also. I like you're in a johnny copter Kind of like that Oh for the uh the flying The flying quadcopter thing Um, well, should we go alphabet suit? CEOs just want to have fun Yeah, I like that. I that's the one we all liked Yeah, I wish I could think of a clever one for I'm going down to alphabet street, but I don't have it today Today, I just don't have it. I blame bio shock infinite that Just see the person on on the blog who's like you and roger overthinking it It's like that. That's basically saying there should be no, uh, blog posts ever about games Yeah Oh Daily tech news show the dailiest tech show of news So someone shows. Hi, uh That's all right Someone on twitter said I want a daily tech news show, but about world news and I said so do I he's like you should start that And I said no, I want someone else to do it. I'm busy Uh, those those aren't exact words on any of that, but that was the gist of it Uh, I found out today that a friend of mine Is developing not daily weekly, but exactly that sort of thing And I won't say any more than that because he's not yet ready to push it out there But if you if you know friends of the show that might be likely to do something like that and you know their links You probably could find it Um, but yeah, I'm excited. Wait. Is it me? No, it's not. It's Patrick He was hiding in front of you the whole time It's not it's not you although the penis it was so secret. Patrick didn't even know he was doing Yeah, I mean the philias club is is a uh is more of a uh discussion show Then I think we were talking about so this show would be like headlines and and a shorter shorter discussion That's awesome. Yeah I can't wait to promote it. I'm excited to see what they do Oh my gosh peoples emoticons are getting so awesome Not emojis Not the emojis, but the ones that they make out of paper No, like little animals Bones otherwise available keyboard Things like oh, yeah, you really literally you literally mean emoticons. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I literally mean emoticons. You know like this guy this guy I can't see you. I love this guy So someone just did me another version of that on twitter that was like a really super happy guy Nice made out of oh like the shrug shrug guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah shrug guy That's what I was impressed for someone made me like super happy shrug guy Well This vbr The export no, no, I was filling time go ahead Uh my favorite thing about all of the internet Is that the happiest thing I've seen today came from a guy named major dumper room As a pomoji Of course he does You know internet Sorry if i'm silent i'm answering Uh, are you in your ama now your ama mode? No one no one can touch you Uh, right. Oh, there is an interesting question here What is your favorite podcast you have been on nothing including your own? What should I answer tom? um The instance Uh buzz out loud, I don't know You don't have to answer this one We'll see did you answer mine yet patrick you made it. Oh did I You may not see you have a different Have a different name on I don't know what I didn't realize I answered one of I said thanks man to jenny on my ama before realizing that That was jenny that had written it. That's my secret reddit. That's my secret reddit. Um, yeah It's not it's not in the same mode of any of your other No, I know and there's a there's an excellent reason. Oh, I'm sure I'm sure But it like threw me off. I was like, oh crap Is it uh, it was hold on. Let me go find it again. Um, what is it? It was the same question I asked you basically every time we have a meeting Uh, are you happy with the way the show is going? Yeah, that's it. That's me It was uh, wait, let me find mine It was are you happy being a contributor on dtns? Is there anything you would change? So you shouldn't have told him it was you because he probably would have given a more honest answer No, I figured if you if you had um answered before I was giving it until the end of the show, but Oh, but wait, I don't I don't see it. Where is it? It's under make uh, well, well, I don't don't say it. I'm looking for a contributor Let's see Contributor I don't wait. Is there multiple pages? Did you ask you to do that might be now you might have gotten enough? No, there isn't you can sort by new also I started doing that partway through You came in 1.2 hours ago I don't I don't get it. This is black magic That's weird Firstly, I don't see it Reddit Reddit You're sticky now by the way Oh I'm honored I mean if you're talking about the post, of course Oh, yeah the post also Also, it is quite hot in paris and I have to say I'm getting kind of sticky By the way Ooh dark redeemer has a point I guess dtns is considered mine kind of you know, it's one of my shows now that I'm Full time. I mean full contributor. So I couldn't count it in the podcasts Okay That that makes things easier. That's an easy out. Yeah, I like that. That was a very elegant dark redeemer one You know, I think I think bol just towards a sheer nostalgia of it might be Oh That's nice. I I think you know, and I'm saying that now that you're next to me I like that especially given your earlier AMA answer. We were like, I think I was in person, but I can't remember No, I'm sure I No, you were I know That I don't remember That was good Do do do Seriously Jenny, where is your question now? I'm worried. I don't see it either by the way. Oh, okay. All right. Yes. I'll just be Maybe I'm blocked. Did you press save? Did you press send? I did Did you try turning it off and turning it off again? Oh that way. Yeah, it's right there. I'm looking at it. That's so weird. But I don't think you can oh, yeah, you can. Okay. Yeah, do that There's a mystery here chat room. We're gonna get to the bottom of this. How do I do that? Uh, there's a permalink in below you. There's a permalink clamp below your CEOs Just want to have uh on Get yourself a healthy bowl of CEOs with milk making a perfect breakfast That would be a fun, uh cereal, you know, like fruit loops but with Little uh shaped versions of satcha nadella and tim cook and larry page Oh, look, I I got steve jobs Oh, that one's past its best before date I uh, I slacked it. Wait, did I just slack you the whole thing though? No, you slacked me your comment, which I cannot see it doesn't display for me. That is weird I wonder if there's some weird privacy thing going on that I know there might be Maybe that's why Tom saw it. I don't see this one There does not seem to be anything here Yeah All right. Well, that's okay It's probably all those other posts you were making in that other subreddit got you blocked Hey, Scotty rolling am I blocked? What's going on? What's going on? The day before I got let go from CBS news where I tried to use my CBS AmEx and it didn't work to buy something for work and I went back to say Hey, it's so funny. My amEx is the work. Am I being fired and my boss went like white? Oh, no, that's horrible That's horrible. No, no, it's fine. Everything's fine. The next day. I was gone Yeah, you can meet the username and I'll check for shadow band. Oh boy I love it when you know when t2 t2 gets involved. There's actually a problem Uh, hold on Also, do I forget that? No, I don't know. I feel like Checking for a shadow band. Maybe the coolest thing I've heard ever What exactly is a shadow band? It's a band that you don't see. We can't tell you Oh, okay. This is a secret. Oh my god. I'm shadow band. What does this mean? It's a band that you don't see that you're banned Why why is jenny shadow band? No, no t2 t2. What's happening? Oh Oh t2 moderates generic separate, let's go So do you guys need me for no no take off Go Enjoy the time the baby you can hear the sleeping baby in you at any time I'm gonna try to take 10 minutes at that time. She's sleeping. They go take a piece. All right. Good luck. Good luck Bye, Roger Oh man father I might have 10 minutes to secretly be We've got to take that chance now Yeah, I'm not eager for that to happen Uh, so How do I get unshadow banned? Uh, well, uh, scotty rolling can abide that your post don't show until the moderator approves it Have you been using a questionable language jenny? I'm not Not Oh my god She's I you know, you say that but I think suspicion You know, there's a shadow of suspicion In my trophy case, I have the two-year club and a verified email So, you know Okay, uh, you say that I guess I have to trust you and then over on Plastic tentacles Yeah Can someone in uh Uh Can someone in the chat room? Uh Write a question that asks scotty rolling why I'm banned from the subreddit You can message scotty Uh, jen I'm not quite planning for father who right now I'm hoping it's going to happen at some point. I mean, I know that you have to you know, make it happen No, it's not it's not in the plans right now someone put an angry YouTube post saying the sharing economy is not sharing because you're charging people There's nothing sharing about it. It's fair point Well, I'm not sure he gets why it's called the sharing economy. No, I I think he does Or she and uh, I think what they're saying is uh, yeah, no if I share something with you, I don't make you pay for it No, the the thing is the sharing economy is called the sharing economy because there's one thing that multiple people use Yes, they pay for the fact that yeah, exactly. I kind of I think I'm siding with this person The difference is when you're when you're not it's a renting economy not a sharing economy Yeah, okay Fine You win it's one thing if nobody owns the thing right and you're all paying into a pool And sharing it but that's not what's going on um, it's not a co-op Isn't there a thing called a rent share or something like that like a uh I don't know. There is a type of Thing called the something share like a time you must know. Yeah time share. Yeah, um, don't know Yeah, but then I guess no one that's not part of the sharing economy No, no, no, but I should be because you're actually sharing ownership But you're still paying for that ownership Yeah, the way time shares the myth of time shares. They don't actually legally work this way is that everybody owns A piece of it and can stay in it for a limited amount of time But I have a time share in hawaii means I can go there and stay there for two weeks every year Mm-hmm And that is considered sharing but you're still paying for it. Yeah, but you're owning it You all own a piece of it, right You paid someone to own it And then you okay, so I don't know. I think I think I'm Well, I think you know words have lives and they evolve and they're yeah, no, I'm I'm not Strident he's like you need to stop this lie And I'm like, okay, that's a little much Like I get what people mean when they say sharing economy even if fundamentally I agree that it's not really sharing So does the sharing economy have to adhere to the definition of sharing or is Sharing economy a new concept that well, no here here in in english land We can make words mean whatever we want. It's well, that's exactly my point. That's exactly my point Exactly sharing economy take on new meaning. We can do you can just sign it as a culture We can assign it a new meaning totally. I mean, I think this is literally What how the english language works? It is in fact And sadly literally is starting to literally mean figuratively That was a good one. I'm actually pretty proud of that literally that was well done All right, I am going to go I don't know I have some caramel that I made this weekend Oh, you made caramel. Yeah Yeah, it's my second batch turned out better I'm I'm trying to figure out how to make good caramel candies Without using corn syrup And I think it's just I need to reduce the milk the cream content I have no idea how this works, but I'm gonna say yes But if you come to blizzcon, oh, you're not coming to blizzcon if you come no It's terrible. You know, I I I I don't want to spend money going to blizzcon now I get there like eight seven or eight times And now they're talking about the new world of warcraft expansion that I'm like, but I want to go And it's become a tradition for you to come to blizzcon and visit me. Yeah, since you did it once once I know Yeah, but I can't you know, I don't have I'll make you Carmel Actually, I'm not even sure I need to take it. But yeah, anyway. All right. Okay. All right. Let's let's end this year We are gone. See you folks