 Call the special meeting of the Common Council to order City Clerk Richards, would you please call the roll? Valman D. Berg Yeah Eberg Serta Davis Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Sigali Stefan Susha Van Akron and Vanderweel 16 present Alderman E. Berg Would you please lead us into Pledge of Allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation on a dime indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank you, Alderman Berg Alderman Davis Honorable Mayor If you will, you can see I'm wired tonight here Thank you, Alderman Berg Alderman Davis I have a hearing device here so I can hear the Common Council and the comments from the audience here The last several meetings I've had a very hard time hearing because I'm deaf in one ear and I have diminished hearing in the others I made my problem known to City Clerk Richards and the Mayor and we got this here and I tell you this works great so hopefully and thanks a lot I appreciate providing this, sir Thank you You're welcome, Alderman Davis At this time I'd ask Mr. Donald Van Akron to come up so we can sook and swore you in Anne, would you raise your right hand and repeat after me I, Donald Van Akron I, Donald Van Akron swear that I will support the Constitution I support the Constitution of the United States of Wisconsin and will faithfully and impartially faithfully and impartially discharge the duties of the Office of Alderperson discharge the Office of Alderman to the best of my ability to the best of my ability so help me God, congratulations Thank you We'll move on to matters laid over Alderman Groff Thank you, Your Honor Due to the number of people that we have here the items that we have on the agenda that people may wish to speak to I'd like to make the following motion that after each resolution is opened and introduced to the Council and put on the floor I move to open the floor to the members of the public who wish to address the Council tonight on those two issues that come before this Council that each person be allowed a maximum of three minutes with no extension of time that way anybody in the audience and everybody in the audience will be able to speak There's a motion to second under discussion Not all those in favor of State Aye Any opposed? Motion carries Thank you Matters laid over 347 Resolution number 13506 by Alderman Groff Terminating TIF District Number 1 and authorizing the City Finance Director Treasurer to Distribute Excess Increment to Overlying Tax and Districts Alderman Groff Yeah, and I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage There's a motion in the second The resolution be put upon its passage under discussion Not a suge call roll I'm sorry, somebody Is anybody that would like to speak on this particular issue Is there anyone? Alderman Cedale Thank you Mr. Mayor if you could just kind of explain this and go over this a little bit so that we can know what this is all concerning please Sure, but I'm going to ask could you get part of the conversation and address this because he's a finance director and he has all the answers for all the questions I'm sure Thank you, Alderman Cedale, Alderman Groff Just in summary Taxicerminal District Number 1 was created in 1984 in the downtown area and it funded the acquisition and demolition of several buildings in the downtown and then the construction of the parking lots that are located north and south of what is now Yonkers and now the US Bank building and the city also acquired and demolished buildings along the riverfront area and that allow for new development and for some public areas for landscaping and walkway areas during the past 21 years the district has created over 36 and a half million dollars in new property value within that district and since the that has been paid and the transfers to district 6 will be completed in 2005 District 1 at this time then should be terminated this will allow the property values that have been created in the district to be included in the non-TIF assessed values as of January 1st 2005 so this will assist with the next tax bills that will come out as far as value it'll assist the rate the with the restraints that we anticipating from the state will probably not generate more revenue for us for operations but will assist in offsetting any rate increases and that's true for the city the county and the schools within the Sheboygan city limits are there any questions from all the persons thank you Mr. Gephardt if there's no other discussion City Clerk Richards would you please call the roll D-Berg E-Berg Serta Davis Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Segali Susha Van Akron Vanderheel and Baumann Ocean Carries 327 resolution number 10 506 by Alderman Montemayor repealing resolution number 590405 regarding this sighting and building of the new of the city's new police station at Sheridan Park Alderman Montemayor Thank you Mr. Mayor would you please put upon its passage Motion and a second Thank you and I'd like to read this resolution Under discussion Thank you a resolution repealing resolution number 590405 regarding the sighting and building of the city's new police station at Sheridan Park whereas the common council of the city of Sheboygan on August 2, 2004 passed a resolution on the basis of Sheridan Park for a police station and whereas the good citizens and electors of the city of Sheboygan secured over 2900 valid signatures on a petition for direct legislation requesting a referendum election on the question of preserving Sheridan Park forever and whereas it was determined that the petition was not an appropriate subject for direct legislation and was placed on file by the common council and whereas the common council now finds it in the best interests of the city to look again at alternate sites for a police station and not build it in Sheridan Park now therefore be it resolved that the common council hereby repeals resolution number 590405 which authorized the use of Sheridan Park for a police station be it further resolved that the appropriate city officials direct the Zimmerman design group to cease further architectural design services on the police station building which relates specifically to the Sheridan Park site be it further resolved that the city council hereby reopens the site selection process for a new police station requests the building use committee to investigate and make further recommendation to the council regarding other options for the site of the police station thank you thank you your honor I would like to the last be it further resolved it's on the second half of the document I would like to eliminate that and in its place offer this amendment to amend the last be it further resolved to read that the common council hereby request the committee of the whole to establish and implement the process for selection of a site for construction of a new police station and to investigate and make further recommendations to the council for the council's use in making a final site selection there's a motion to second to amend under discussion I just wanted to explain this I think it's important that the whole committee the whole be involved so all 16 of us get involved in the process and what are we looking at for example my personal opinion would be we've already paid an architect we've already retained one let's let him look at 23rd other people want to look at another site I'm fine with that if there's two more sites I don't think in my mind it would pay to look at a whole bunch more but obviously we can look at the police department and building use capacity come up with one key one or two key ones that we should consider but I think all 16 of us have to be involved in the process because then at the end I don't get my favorite choice I'll look back and say well it was a fair process and I'm going to support the will of the council people who have been keeping track of this I have one of the few alderman who alienated everybody because I didn't support building on the park site but after the council voted to do so I didn't vote for rescinding it either because I didn't feel there was enough direction as to where we go from here tonight if this amendment passes I'm going to support the rescinding or repealing because it gives us a direct process I don't think it adds a lot of time to the process I think we've got a clear way to go send it to 16 people, let them figure out the process and not only the site but I think as we look at the sites we have to also consider where do we want to build the fire range in-house or not how much room do we need for a municipal court those items affect how much as we've seen in the architecture wars here those two items affect how much room we need where we can build a legitimate police station I think everybody here has stated they're for the police station I think this is a process to get it done and I think if we do look at the 23rd Street site if that's what they decide next week I'm fine with that but I think it's a as we go through this process it's a sound out to the friends of Sheboygan who said hey we want 23rd Street because we've got shared service it's a warning to the people in the county the leadership that we're making we're looking at something else or else there's nothing special about the 23rd Street site in my mind if the county doesn't come and sit next to us so that's why I'd ask everybody to support this amendment and all it really does is send everything to the council and the committee the whole so we can all get together and agree on a process before we make a choice thank you Alderman D. Burke on the amendment sir alright I have an amendment of my own but we'll have to vote on his first we'll have to vote on this amendment yes Alderman Sigali on the amendment I'm just going to yield it over to Mr. Alderman Burke thank you thank you any further discussion on the amendment Alderman Manning I think what the amendment does also is to encourage the new Alder people to get on board and have a good chance to look at this thoroughly and I think that's an advantage for the whole council Alderman Stefan I just wanted to mention for those of you watching on TV all the Aldermen should have got this speaker on their desk with their packet so it wasn't like I just threw it at you tonight thank you Alderman Sousha thank you I think one of the reasons that we're here tonight and I want to thank Alderman Stefan and Alderman Montemayer for the amendment and the proposal that they have on the table but the ultimate goal is to move it out of Sheridan Park forever and I just wanted to thank them for putting this on the table because that's the objective as to why we're here thank you any further discussion on the amendment if not we'll call a roll please this is on the amendment we're voting on Eber Serda Davis Brock Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Segali Stefan Deberg 16 ayes motion carries Alderman Deberg thank you Your Honor he already took out the last be it further resolved so I would like to move that we amend that be it further resolved if the common council votes to repeal resolution 590405 the proposed 23rd street site be removed from consideration as location for a new city of Sheboygan police station be it further resolved the common council hereby directs the chief of police deputy chiefs and Zimmerman design group to investigate building the new police station on the Penn Avenue site bounded by Pennsylvania Avenue north 13th street Center Avenue and commerce street be it further resolved if the parties mentioned in the previous be it further resolved agreed that the Penn Avenue site is a desirable location the common council move forward to place the new police station at that site and resolve the neighborhood issues surrounding Sheridan Park there's a motion to amend in a second as read any further discussion Alderman Segali thank you Mr. Mayor I guess the way I'm thinking is that if people want to have my vote changed on Sheridan Park I would need to do it under three conditions that north 23rd street site get taken off the table immediately and preferably I'd like to see that in writing so it doesn't come back to haunt us number two I would like to go along with Alderman Berg that the Penn Avenue site be investigated thoroughly and immediately and number three I'd like to speak to the friends of Sheridan Park I'd like for you to put your money and your hands where your mouths have been put out there Alderman Segali that's out of order I'm not saying it's assay Mr. Mayor I'm just saying that please limit your comments to addressing the council okay that we all work together so that we can put monies into that park and make it a park that what it should be and not at the people's expense if all of us work together we can help the Sheridan Park area we can put parks churches in there a new play equipment in there we can do it all but instead of talking about if we need to do it thank you thank you any further discussion on the amendment by D. Berg if I may I would like to to just address the council on that particular issue I think what Alderman Berg is proposing is very well within line I think those are good suggestions although they would probably be better proposed during the committee of the whole meeting which the 16 Alderman aside from the mayor will be able to put together that process and if that's indeed what you would like to do and you establish a process for that then I don't see where there would be a problem my suggestion if the council still wants to vote on it that's fine Alderman D. Berg that's exactly where it's going with his further be it resolved it is going to it is going to the committee the whole for discussion and I would ask that you please address the chair accordingly thank you Alderman Montemayor thank you Mr. Mayor I need to get something clear on Mr. Berg on Alderman Berg's amendment am I correct that he wants to have part of this resolution amended to take 23rd street off of consideration forever I believe that's what it says thank you Mr. Mayor Alderman Steffen I guess that was part of my question and I think you maybe the city attorney I don't know if we've got the right language here if Alderman Berg's intent is to have the committee of the whole next week take up this idea I would think a motion to refer this amendment would be in order because otherwise I think the way he presented it if we pass it tonight 23rd street off the table and we'll only look at a pen and I don't know that we want to make that decision at this time I would certainly support referring it to the committee of the whole and also do so turn the clean thank you Your Honor I don't know that it's a legal comment but I guess what I heard and I haven't seen it in writing Alderman Berg kind of goes along with Alderman what Alderman Steffen mentioned it almost sounds like a second step as opposed to amending this document it's like if this document were to pass then it's supposed to you know take the 23rd street site off the table and look at the pen avenue site and perhaps that best you know I'm not going to tell you what to do but perhaps that best could be accomplished by referring that that document as a separate standalone document to the committee of the whole if the underlying document passes thank you Stern McLean Alderman D. Berg it says take 23rd street off the site everything is going to be given to the committee of the whole just because it says here that it's taken off the table doesn't mean it can't be looked at everybody here is the committee of the whole everybody here is the council if someone says let's have Zimmerman take a look at 23rd street everybody says or the majority says fine so we look at 23rd street we look at 8th and high or wherever do you want to come up with it's going to be up to when we have our meetings with the committee of the whole whoever comes up with a decent suggestion that's where we're going to look thank you Alderman E. Berg thank you Mr. Mayor I understand the resolution it really does is saying the only site we will look at is 9th and 10th resolutions direct us to do something this directs us only to look at 9th and 10th to eliminate Sheridan Park and also to eliminate 23rd street from consideration and I guess for me it's hard to study something that we haven't studied because I don't think we've studied 23rd street so I can't study something I haven't studied so for me I guess that's my confusion I would prefer at least to eliminate it based on cause Alderman Berg I want to call you please address the chair appropriately yes Your Honor we haven't we haven't studied the Penn Avenue site we haven't studied 23rd street site I'm suggesting everybody wanted an alternative so many people said we don't want Sheridan Park we don't want 23rd street site they said come up with something different I come up with something different for the police department and the designers and whoever has to go along with them to see if this is a suitable site if it's not suitable then we go someplace else and study this is a starting point this way the police and Zimmerman can give us an idea if it's available or if it's suitable and if it's not then we come up with another site everybody was no Sheridan, no 23rd this is an alternative site to give everybody a chance to find some place that we can satisfy everybody Alderman Graus I just have a point of order I thought I heard Alderman Steffen say he moved that and I thought I heard Alderman Sussier said there was a motion to refer this to committee of the whole there was a motion made not really to an amendment I think you'd have to treat it as a stand-alone motion motion or resolution my motion I guess it depends on how Alderman Berg wants to treat his document an amendment to this document then I guess that amendment really I don't think you could refer the amendment I think you'd have to refer the amendment with the underlying document if you're going to refer anything but I would say if it's going to be an amendment to this document that be acted on prior to this document being acted upon Alderman Steffen did answer a question but I do think he could treat that motion as a stand-alone motion and not be tied to an amendment of this document and that would be the best way to keep it clean move it to the committee of the whole that gets taken care of by all 16 Alderman so in this case the council has the opportunity to vote the amendment down and then Alderman Deberg can bring it back into the committee of the whole I think that could happen keep it clean any further discussion that do you want to clear on what we're voting on now we're voting we are voting on the amendment that Alderman Berg did the three paragraphs that's what we're voting on the amendment to Alderman Montemayer's resolution and that amendment is the three paragraphs that he just read taking 23rd Street site off of the table looking into investigating the new police station on the Penn Avenue site the third paragraph and the county council move forward to placing a police station at that site and resolve neighborhood issues surrounding Sheridan Park that's what we'd be voting on Dan Alderman Berg's amendment Alderman Graf if that amendment would fail we tonight could have you draw orders to prepare a resolution to present to committee of the whole that would include those three paragraphs at the next committee of the whole meeting correct? yes and that could be referred to committee of the whole is everybody clear? is everybody clear on what you're voting on? I still see confused faces okay what you're voting on is Alderman Dan Berg's amendment to the resolution that's right now on the floor the amendment would be three paragraphs to repeal if the common council votes to repeal this resolution the new police site is removed from consideration as a location that's one of them be it further resolved that the common council hereby directs the chief of police deputy chiefs and Zimmerman to investigate building the new police station on the Penn Avenue site bounded by the different street scene listed and be it further resolved that the parties mentioned in the previous be it further resolved agree that the Penn Avenue site is a desirable location the common council move forward to place the new police station at that site and resolve the neighborhood issues surrounding these three paragraphs that's the amendment so what I vote would be to vote for Alderman Berg's three paragraph amendment is everybody clear? and not to mix it up and that is separate from Alderman Stefan's amendment to Alderman Montemayor call the roll please okay Serta Davis Graf Kittleson Manny Montemayor Radke Sagali Stefan Susha Van Akron Vanderweel Bauman D-Berg Eberg Six Eyes, Ten Nose Motion fills now we'll take a vote on the resolution as amended by Alderman Stefan I will move that a document be drawn with the three paragraphs that Alderman Berg has presented to you he gave you a copy of those yes to be a resolution to be referred to community of the whole okay there's a motion in the second I believe under discussion Alderman Serta I was just wondering if we would allow the public to speak first before I answer where are you going to put that in okay thank you is there any member of the public that would like to address the council can we do okay okay right right is there anybody that would like to address the council on the motion that we're going to refer to the community of the whole otherwise before we take a vote we'll ask no okay then we'll ask you to speak on the main motion which is to be said okay thank you okay we don't need to vote on this so we'll take the vote all those in favor please state aye any opposed chair vote motion carries okay okay the tip of the slung yeah at this time I'd invite the public excuse me but right now we need a motion as amended no as amended I would move that the document be put upon its passage there a second there's a motion to approve the motion the resolution as amended under discussion simply as amended okay ready to open up the floor ready to open up the floor at this time is there any member of the public that would like to address the council on the motion to approve the motion as amended okay yes how do you want to handle this I'd like to step up if you are wanting to speak step up to the mic give me your name and home address and then you'll have three minutes and I will call your time just like we do with public forum so if you just want to take turns coming up and your name my name is Dimple Adams I live at 1424 Virginia and you will have three minutes okay just to make this as brief as possible there's two or three issues that I want to discuss here one is with the friends of the park it has been disconcerting to me as a taxpaying member to hear the meanness that's been going on with some of the letters to the editor and so forth about recalling older persons if they do not agree with undoing the vote for Sheridan Park I think that that should not even be in the conversation and I had a lot more to say about that but I'm not going to do it because I'm limited to three minutes okay with the press I think the press has been extremely unbiased about the situation again with the Sheridan Park and also not very truthful about the signs yesterday with their editorial with all the things they had in there one of the things that they said was that there was equal number of friends of the park or safe Sheridan Park signs along with the neighbors against drug signs well my grandson and I went and counted and we came up with 70 to 8 that is not equal neighbors against drug signs for 8 against neighbors saving the park signs that is covering the blocks from Pennsylvania Avenue to Illinois Avenue 13th Street to 15th Street so it is definitely the Sheridan Park neighborhood and speaking of the Sheridan Park neighborhood we have spoke loud and clear over and over and over again we spoke loud and clear about the election on April 5th we elected Donnie Van Ackron from Ward 4 even though he lost in the district we elected Gene Kettleson and Dennis Bauman and Ward 5 they were incumbents and none of these three were saved the park candidates that was endorsed by the press okay last but not least the Sheridan Police Department I think that we have a great police department and I'd like to show a hands of everyone here tonight including the council members if you have had a complete tour of the Sheridan Police Department okay that's a good showing because if you haven't I don't think you're qualified to speak about this issue I was very privileged last week with being able to do that and I saw for myself the two holding cells we needed least for I saw the closet size evidence room I saw the workout room which is shared by with the furnace and maybe two at most three can go in there at one time excuse me Dimple your time is up just to let you know it's got to be built now no more waiting for the person that would like to speak just come on up to the mic hi could I have your name please sir my name is Jeffrey Bub Jeffrey Bub and your address Jeffrey 2906A self-attention and you will have three minutes sir you're welcome well it sounds like this decision has already been made but maybe I can make people think a little bit for about a half a year I've been talking about the crime and safety of the Sheridan Park area and the benefits a police station there would bring we know that it best serves the public there we know that it best serves the police there we know that the land is free I'm sure we all have weighed the fact that the land is a park but we also realized there was a park that found little use sat in the middle of a rough neighborhood and is as many have put it a shelve its former self it's why the common council agreed to decide to begin with twice now as we all know the promise of a new police station there didn't last long sentiment over saving the park grew people were asked to sign a petition a petition that in my mind didn't fully clarify the entire situation at hand soon enough however there were some 3,000 signatures in favor of saving the park candidates running for Alderman and Mayor picked up on this wave of emotion and ran their campaigns on promise of saving the park before we could blink an eye the April elections changed the complexion of the common council and once great hope of solving multiple problems at the shared park site was in deep jeopardy and why because suddenly some of us valued this rarely used overlooked and neglected park land the alternative to this point has been a 23rd street site a site that we all know is not essential to the needs of the police or is beneficial to the needs of its surrounding neighborhood nonetheless I'm insist that this is still the best place for a police station now I don't know about you but I've read directly from the Emberg Anderson report and there are still questions about the viability of that land quote, volatile organic compounds should not prove to be a cost to the city of Sheboygan should they choose to move the police station to this site as Sheboygan County seems to be the source of this contamination now if any of you can tell me without a doubt that breaking land there won't cost a single penny for this city in chemical clean up then my concern is mute but if not then at the very least we'll be way further so here we are we're at a crossroads to what to do next for this city I'm willing to bet that this common currency will rescind the shared and park site despite everything I've mentioned but it doesn't mean the ideas of a safe neighborhood a productive police station has to die recently the mayor and alderman have been talking about compromise so here's what I propose if we insist on not building at the shared and park site and the 23rd street site looks questionable in terms of both location and foundation then we need to look at other viable options there are two places which come to mind the old cargo plant on New Jersey Avenue and the Penn Avenue site near 13th like we were discussing the shared and park neighborhood would be pleased with either of these sites for it still puts essentially located police station nearby furthermore the pro parks people would be happy for neither of these sites is or once was a park everybody is happy so in the unfortunate event that shared and park is rescinded the mayor and the common council consider these suggestions after all failure to compromise at this point would make many here look awfully foolish thank you Jeffrey next person would like to get up and speak just come on up to the mic yes and I can have your name please Scott Levin Duskin and your address 20201 Erie Avenue Erie Avenue yes and you will have three minutes sir I want to thank the common council for allowing myself and other citizens of Sheboygan to speak tonight I ask that all of you support the resolution to repeal the vote for destroying a 150 year old plus shared and park for a new police station the people of Sheboygan have tried numerous ways to get you to listen to them and we continue to be ignored we were ignored when a petition for a referendum was presented even though it had 2900 plus valid signatures and over 3700 total signatures last month the citizens of Sheboygan voted out the mayor a numerous alderman who ignored the citizens of Sheboygan in regards to shared and park you now have a chance to show that you are listening to the citizens of Sheboygan and reunite this city and common council instead of driving a larger wedge between yourselves and the citizens of Sheboygan shared and park is one of the few places left in Sheboygan where we can walk on the same ground not covered by concrete or black top as the founding fathers of this city who made this site a park before they made Sheboygan a city this is one of the few places left where we can walk under the same trees and touch the same trees our city founders did and you want to take this away from us the citizens of Sheboygan as a young boy I went to share and park with my dad told me he went with his father as a little boy this meant something to me and it means more to me each day I was never able to go to share and park with my dad's father, my grandpa as he died 11 years before I was born shared and park gives me a connection to my grandfather and also many other citizens of Sheboygan that I have read about in the old newspapers and who passed away before I was born when my parents first got married they lived at 1322 Virginia Avenue directly across from shared and park this is one of the houses that is scheduled to be torn down 5 to 10 years after the police station is built at shared and park if the police station is built there as are all 21 other houses on the block north of shared and park how much money will be saved by building at shared and park and buying and tearing down 22 houses this plan was brought up at some of the aldermatic debates put a debate at the Kohler Arts Center, Renee Shusha was the third person to give her closing statement and she brought this plan up there were six incumbent aldermen that gave their closing statements after Mrs. Shusha and none of them said that this information was wrong I am bringing you this up to let the people in this room and watching on TV to know what other attic expenses there will be with the shared and park site also next week I am signed up to speak again I have come up with nine ideas so far to improve the area in and around the park this includes a problem excuse me your time is up okay I am on my last sentence this includes a problem with garbage crime and other issues I have already spoken to Mayor Perez about some of these ideas thank you for your time anyone else wishing to speak can you please step up to the mic and can I have your name sir my name is Milton Storman and I reside at 1736 Marvin Court Marvin Court? and you will have three minutes I have lived and paid my property taxes for 40 years at 1736 Marvin Court I came to Sheboygan here tomorrow it will be 48 years out of the military out of the military service the thing that I would like to do is to address Mountain Mayor's resolution I would like to have it removed that the park remain as a park forever the other thing is that the friends of Sheridan Park I don't blame them but one of our neighbors drug signs was removed from somewhere and it was mounted one block north of Sheridan Park with the on the back white side written save Sheridan Park it was mounted with two woodsticks and put into the ground the property owner or whoever resides at that already had his sign inside the fence now that is a crime now I'm not blaming the friends of Sheridan Park but I think when we are going to protest that we do it in a civil manner so I'm addressing the resolution if we can remove that statement from the resolution thank you is there anyone else that wishes to speak and your name sir Jason Shane 1418 Bluff Avenue Apartment A 1418A Bluff Avenue and you will have three minutes I would like to thank the mayor and the elder persons in the plug for letting me speak today I would like to ask the council to work together and work on finding a site for the police station and not at Sheridan Park these officers and the chief deserve to have a new police station and we need to work hard to find a site and not drag this out any longer I've been given some reasons why we should build at Sheridan Park these are the reasons and the solutions number one there are drugs being sold all hours of the night my solution is call the police the park closes at 10 number two across the street there is litter and trash all over solution if you can get the neighborhoods to clean up this problem and talk to the owners of the property to keep it clean or call your bill an inspector number three no one plays their solution if you look outside the park on weekends and after school you will see the park occupied I was there yesterday I got a list of kids names that were put down on a piece of paper given to the mayor taken away from these kids be a good neighbor and keep the park safe for these kids and let them have fun now I gave you solutions for your neighborhood problems so let's find a new place to put this police station where it belongs thank you anyone else wishing to speak just come on up to the mic and can I have your name sir my name is Troy Nemuth 16th street 630 south 13th and how do you spell your last name Troy NIEMUTH and you will have three minutes thank you thank you council and thank you mayor for giving me the opportunity to speak I've spoke before at your meetings and I've told you a couple of things that I've seen in my neighborhood I've seen gang activity I've seen crime I've seen stolen vehicles I have people telling me that I should just call the police when things are going on and I have called the police and I have stood forward but what ended up happening to my own personal situation is I became a victim of gang violence for standing out I had every bone on the left side of my face busted and sometimes when I hear the last time I spoke I heard then Alderman Juan Perez talking about crime living across the police station where he's at and personally I considered it an insult to compare minor vandalism to major bodily harm that was an insult to me and to my neighborhood and to what's going on now another thing that I want to address the council before you make your decision tonight we definitely need something that is centrally located the other thing that I would like to address is I've been telling you the things that I've seen in my neighborhood and one of the things that I did see in my neighborhood is within two weeks of the decision to build at Sheridan Park two crack houses shut down and moved out so remember that that it does do something having a police station there that is the only beacon of light that I have seen in my neighborhood our police department is doing a wonderful job doing the best they can when I talk to police officers they ask I ask them what could you use what do you need, what tools do you need and they say a police station we made a decision to put a police station in Sheridan Park and I I honor the courage of the few alderman that stood up to that and stuck to their guns that believe it is a gut feeling that this needs to go in that place this is a situation where it's just we have people it's really easy to sit on the opposite side of town and say there's no problem because I've lived on the opposite of town I've lived in Sheboygan my entire life I have had every single Christmas of my natural born life in my home because it was my grandparents home before I bought it from my grandparents and the situation has gone downhill and I feel like my the back of the city has been turned on me in my neighborhood don't turn your backs on me thank you thank you yes, whoever is next would like to go up and can I have your name please? Mary Bermke Mary Bermke B-E-R-M-K-E 1507 South 14th Street Sheboygan and you will have three minutes I would just like to make a comment everybody's bringing up about the drug signs they are not just in Sheridan Park they are all over the city if you just drive around and notice the signs that are all over so don't target Sheridan Park alone we live on south 14th we had a house two doors away from us it took it four years to finally get the drug pushers out of there now we have about a block and a half from us we're working on so if you have drugs in your neighborhood call the neighbors against drugs they just pinpoint one lonely park they're all over we live a block from Franklin Park I'm sure there's drugs going on up there but we don't hear as much about it and as far as that mess down at Sheridan Park we drove by there the other day I put a letter in the paper and after we saw it it was swimming pools, furniture it's the neighborhood that's contributing to the garbage sure there's stuff down there from your factories but most of it is neighborhood done some of the yards right on south 14th I wrote to the building inspector about a house that was in bad shape I wrote about the outlaw drug house or gang house they came and they ripped it down after I wrote to the public building's inspector but nobody said anything about that they complained and complained and whined about that who did anything about it nobody that I know of where were the aldermen on that but I wrote to the public thing I'm not trying to take credit for it but I'm just trying to tell you the stuff that's in the paper and you people are not going around and checking with the drug's neighbors against drugs so please do so find out you aren't the only one being targeted in Sheridan Park I don't like the drugs myself and that's why we do it in our neighborhoods report it, take pictures whatever you can do to prove there's drugs in your neighborhood the police respond thank you I don't have too much to say can I just get your address again Mr. Paulus 414 Erie Avenue and you will have three minutes please thank you very much your honor for the privilege of standing here and saying congratulations to you Mayor Perez on your outstanding performance of revitalizing Sheboygan to a new high in diplomacy and competence in your leadership unlike your detractors and some alderman you do not succumb to the old threats and political blackmail of what you have a perfect right to exercise in your position as mayor you show strong positive leadership by answering two problems not personalities in the face of numerous attacks you justify their confidence in electing you Mayor along with some new citizen elected alderman the intelligent citizens of Sheboygan see and applaud you Mayor Perez on your efforts for the citizens of our city the interest in where Sheboygan is to go in the most intense in decades as shown in this last election the citizens spoke volumes about the need to return Sheboygan to fiscal responsibility and the citizens spoke firmly not once but twice to save Sheridan Park now but continued falsities misinformation regarding the new police station continues to flow from the lips of a few alderman and others either by design or just plain stupidity it's all a matter of record the citizens can read the citizens can listen to the experts and the citizens do comprehend those particular alderman who voted last week against Sheridan Park are quite frankly simply dead wrong 3 million less at 23rd Street no pollution on the 23rd Street site about 30,000 instead of 100,000 for your communication link there is no soft ground of consequence at the 23rd Street site less expensive construction techniques today potentially really large savings with the county are just a few of the obvious facts excuse me Mr. Paulus your time is up I may ask humbly ask for another minute or two we gotta let people thank you thank you anyone else wishing to get up and speak and can I get your name please in your home address sure, Gina Steinhard, 1311 Maryland Avenue 1311 Maryland and you will have 3 minutes okay where's somebody else who wants to say something um I'm Michaela Steinhard um Houdada and I was going to say that um the park isn't very safe because some gangs burn holes in the wooden play equipment so they had to take the wooden play equipment down and I think putting the police department there would keep it safe and they could build it back again thank you also I'd like to thank the previous common council for all their hard work concerning this issue as well as many other safety issues in our neighborhood my neighbors are very tired of being fought about and fought with concerning the new police department at Sheridan Park Mr. Mayor if you are totally serious about working together and moving ahead I say we compromise on the location of the police department it sounds like you are working towards that but um some of these things are kind of iffy about whether 23rd Street is going to be chosen or Sheridan Park is going to be chosen it's got to be worked out to be more fair plus it should be centrally located we do need it close by the Sheridan Park neighborhood it's obvious if you walk down any of our roads that we do need police presence not just driving through the neighborhood we need them there we need them there a lot because most of the um rides are locations that anybody wants this argument is going nowhere and everybody is just fighting about it and it's just getting it's in a no win argument we all agree that Sheridan Park neighborhood needs a lot of help and um it's much more than just the park we don't want it saved if it's going to be left the way it is using it and when the police are called they scatter into the woods across the street and get away easily these two areas of green space are working together right now to aid the criminals activities I'm sure general Sheridan and his wife would be very unhappy to see what this park has come to and what it is being used for since building the police station in a park upsets many people although most aren't even park neighbors another site close to Sheridan Park should be considered we should stop arguing we should compromise and choose a site that would work for everybody um we need to work instead of working against each other we should work with each other we want safety to be the most important issue here not which site is better um a child from our neighborhood took drugs to Sheridan elementary school just last year and only received a three day suspension for it the him and his family still live there Gina I'm sorry your time is up okay thank you anyone else wishing to be heard would you like to go to the mic please and can I get your name and address please uh Frank Hozan 2829 Erie Avenue and could you let me know when I have a minute left please excuse me could you let me know when I have a minute left certainly and your time is three minutes and you go ahead and let me speak to the council again again my subject is Sheridan Park only this time my focus is different I want to remind the council that Sheridan Park is not only an open green space for public recreation but it is a memorial to a soldier union general Philip Sheridan you should also be aware that uh a soldier himself headed the efforts to honor Sheridan this was a mayor Mr. Boykin a county sheriff the renowned Colonel Bourne who even in civilian life was referred to as uh Colonel his efforts subsequently resulted in a resolution by the council that this was to be a city park forever so Sheridan Park is a tribute to a soldier a tribute organized by another soldier a tribute reflecting the great esteem with which the general public held a civil war hero now the park stay this as a soldier's memorial memorial might be more apparent if there were a statue but none was ever erected so it's easy for a modern council to disregard the intentions of the community back then after all it is 140 years since the end of the civil war and there's no one living with any memories to come forward to protest a council's assault upon memorial there is a civil war poster that features a dole boy standing beside the grave of a comrade the text says if he break faith we shall not sleep well I hope the council chooses to preserve the heritage of this park rather than break faith I hope it chooses to respect the deepest values historic by the cessers the council's that preceded us rather than break faith and I hope that the council chooses to maintain the solemn links to the past rather than break faith give you some perspective there's another memorial close by in 140 years it could come under assault too after all in 2145 World War II have been done and gone for 200 years 170 years since in 144 years since 9-11 this is the sparring county war memorial veterans memorial and I ask you what president will you set because you know in the future land will be a premium and somebody will say this is underused this is fallen in this repair there's no one around to remember this and it has utilitarian purposes please don't break the faith thank you I'm now swishing to be heard if you'd like to step up to the mic Mr. Capitillo Mr. Capitillo you need to go around sir privilege on the floor can you give me your name and home address please sir my name is Henry Capitello and my address is 1619 North 38th street the town of Sheboygan and you will have three minutes I'm here representing Home Inc the business that I work for and the reason I'm here is because we do pay property taxes and you know I can sympathize with a lot of the people that have come up here and have have concerns regarding the problems that they have the drugs and the police presence that's needed there but you know what building a police station in that area is not the answer to that the reason I say that if you're going to be doing that then you're probably going to have to be building more than one police station in the city of Sheboygan you'll probably have to build a half dozen of them all over the city and the reason I say that is because when I was working in Baltimore about six years ago one of the biggest things that they had problem there was what they called forced entry and just a week ago I read in the Sheboygan press where they had one forced entry and it was in I think it was in Kentucky Avenue so the problem that we see here is not going to be solved by building a police station you're still going to have crime not only there but in other parts of the city and sure they may deter the criminals from being in that neighborhood but you know what they're going to go somewhere else and they may be in your neighborhood I think one of the things that you can learn from this there is a need for additional police officers and I say that because we see them coming into our building and we see the only deterrence that we have from anything is when the police are present and they're in the area I think that if you really want to do something about crime then additional police officers and when I say additional police officers I mean in the black and white units the ones that respond the ones that are there they come there and those are the people that are going to deter the crime in that area it's not going to be by just building a police station in one area and like I said if you're looking at solving that problem it's going to take more than one police station you're going to be building more within the city of Sheboygan thank you very much thank you anyone else wishing to be heard Mr. Westphal and can I get your name and home address please Yes, Jack Westphal, 1317 North 3rd Street thank you Mayor and Alder persons and fellow citizens it seems like a couple parameters there's some agreement on which is that there needs to be a facility and that Sheridan Park needs something in a presence for protection and what I find most disturbing isn't the debate but the fact that a solution that has been used in many other cities and has been used a decade ago in Racine was never considered in any of the reports and why such a large trend was missing you know you can't make good decisions without all of the options on the table considering them and going through them and this is just obvious that option was never on the table what was done in Racine and again it was done through community listening sessions door-to-door surveys and it was in neighborhoods far worse than we see here in Sheboygan were neighborhood police centers and those were simply confiscated drug houses that through volunteer labor and material were restored as neighborhood police centers which had a presence there through rotation and so forth and they were scattered like Mr. Caviteo is it you said have six of them well they were able to have six of them and those served as centers of economic development throughout Racine please contact former Mayor Smith who initiated first the study and then the follow-up actions or the current police chief to find out how successful that was now not that the city doesn't need a newer facility but certainly there are options that you have not considered I've not seen them in the reports these are national trends they've proved effective why you're not considering them I find the most disturbing fact in this debate thank you very much anyone else wishing to be heard anyone else wishing to be, yes why don't you come to the mic and can I get your name please sir Dan Verhassell fair way and you will have three minutes thanks everybody for the opportunity to speak tonight I think everybody knows my position I'm speaking on behalf of the friends of Sheridan Park not Sheridan Park I've heard that so much it's actually friends of Sheboygan's parks so we look beyond Sheridan Park but I think the new study that we saw here a month ago exposed a lot of flaws in the previous study as was an example with the $3 million gap that we saw between the two studies that at least begs the question let's do this a little bit further the nice thing about keeping the park is it does provide an opportunity to revitalize that entire Sheridan Park neighborhood think how beautiful that could be in a few years if we really stuck some resources into that neighborhood parks are built neighborhoods are built around parks not around buildings like police stations it'll help hold the property values of homes it'll give kids a place to play and it'll actually give us by waiting and studying this report it'll give us a complete and more comparative study I think that was one of the problems is that we focused on Sheridan Park so hard is that we closed our eyes to everything else and as a result we made a bad decision as far as Dimple, Adams I can really empathize with you and I've wanted to talk to you for some time here now but I can empathize with Dimple and with Gina and with Mr. Muth I really can because I mean I wouldn't want that in my immediate neighborhood but I do consider myself a park neighbor because I do plan on using the park it is within walking distance to me I'm just down the road on New Jersey Avenue so I do consider myself someone who's going to be using it a lot as my little guy Noah gets older as far as Jean Kittleson's position she was undecided at the time of the election so whether the voice was of the police station was within Jean Kittleson can't really be said park signs there are over 200 of them around the city and I'll give you that there was 70 to 8 in that area I can't argue that I didn't count them but one thing I do want to make clear as the friends of Sheboygan Park we want to improve Sheridan Park and starting tomorrow morning there will be Sheridan Park Fund Drive put into effect to raise money for the Sheridan Park neighbors and I appreciate the challenge Alderman Cigali because we are definitely there we're not just here to save the park but we're actually there to revitalize it because I've seen old pictures of Sheridan Park it's a beautiful place I could be and if you've got a beautiful park you're going to have beautiful homes that come to follow and want to live in that area so we do want to not just preserve the park we want to actually improve it I do appreciate Michaela getting up and speaking too because that's one of the things that do need to be improved about the park is the old equipment I mean I've seen the park I've lived here now 15 years and every year it just gets stripped out a little bit more it's only been in the last year that we made phone calls to get picnic tables and cookers out there like a park now with that equipment out there so thanks Michaela, I appreciate that some of the things we're looking for with the friends of Sheridan Park in the future is we want to put more lighting in Sheridan Park as a safety enhancement we want more permanent tables and benches we would like to in a spire and I'm not making any promises but we'd like a covered pavilion excuse me Dan, your three minutes are up we'd like a covered pavilion in that area so that people can use it more regularly we are behind saving the park anyone else wishing to be heard please sir can I get your name please my name is Paul Casten Paul Casten and K-A-S-T-E-N and your home address I live at 909 South 14th Street and you will have three minutes well when I came here tonight I really wasn't going to say anything to you but I thank you for your chance to speak after listening to the different opinions on both sides of it seems to me that we all agree that having a park is a good idea but we also have to face the issue of the safety in our neighborhood it seems like to me that if we can address that safety problem in our neighborhood that we could save Sheridan Park and I think everybody would be happy talking with my neighbors that was one of the reasons why they thought that the police department would be a good idea there is because they would kind of send a message to drug people that you know we're not going to accept the behavior in the neighborhood I think I heard suggestions about cleaning up the park revitalized in park revitalized in the neighborhood I think that's the way to go where I live I live right on 14th Street so I don't have to walk past all the stuff that the other people talk about but I drive back there and I know all the things that they've been saying about the trash and stuff like that it's all true you know the neighborhood needs a lot of help after another eventually Sheboygan is no longer going to be a good place to live I've lived here since 1993 is when we moved in and I moved up here because of the cost of homes is cheaper but I can tell you one thing after living here from Sockville and Grafton down by Milwaukee that I'm proud to live in Sheboygan Sheboygan is a great city we got a lot going for us we need to be careful how we do this that we don't lose one neighborhood after another and it's going to become a place where nobody wants to live that's all I got to say Thank you Anyone else wishing to be heard Mike and your name please Mike Warner 2327 East Shelly Court 2327 East Shelly and you will have three minutes Good evening Mayor, Council and citizens and I thank you for this opportunity to speak to you this common council has a great challenge before them never in the past 40 years has the city of Sheboygan come this close to filling one of its most urgent needs and that is the building of a new police station you have a lot to consider tonight do you set a dangerous procedural precedent do you build an adequate police facility in a central location that will best serve the city well into the future or do you cave and build a local facility that is poorly located and unlikely to serve the future needs of the police the city and its taxpayers in answer to the first question last summer the council voted 11 to 4 to move forward they then voted again two weeks later to move forward the council then voted to file the petition a petition that has been misused by many with campaign literature claiming nearly 4,000 signatures with speakers at this podium claiming the same nearly 4,000 signatures yet it had barely 2,900 legal signatures I guess to some legal does not matter then the council approved the Zimmerman design group as the architect four clear choices four clear decisions when can someone depend on the solid decisions made by the city of Sheboygan's common council is it is that time only when there's no political campaign think about this the marina 10,000 signatures against the building of the marina and the council at that time was hailed by the media as heroic for filing that petition and building the marina if you rescind you will set a precedent and your decisions will be suspect especially if one two or three of you decide you don't like the decision that was made will every major decision this council makes now be challenged the marina is a success in many ways maybe it is not financially as of yet but you have to look at what it provides beyond financial rewards the marina redefined Sheboygan redirected the river front and is spilt across the river to the south pier district and I am confident that it will continue to redefine and enhance our lake and our river front in Sheboygan for years to come the previous common council's decisions all four of them to build at Sheridan Park were and are just as solid the reasons were clearly stated the decisions were based on facts and the best interests of Sheboygan's long term needs so be careful when you make your decision it may not stand I believe the facts are irrefutable that is centrally located well built city of Sheboygan police station will be an important part of our city's future in cities across America police stations are being made a part of the community no longer fortresses but instead an integral part of our community and the people they serve and I believe it is important that you consider that when you decide where to build the new police station for the city thank you anyone else wishing to be heard yes can you state your name and home address please my name is Edward Kowsky and my address is 2632 north 8th I wasn't going to speak tonight I've heard a lot of emotion a lot of emotion back here and I've heard a lot of emotion there I've seen since this came up as far as a police station alderman against alderman neighbor against neighbor I'm not for building the police station in Sheridan park I'm not against building the police station in Sheridan park I'm not for 23rd street I'm not against 23rd street I'm not against building a police station I'm not against building a police station but I'll tell you what I am for I read the 114 page report the first report and I think what has caused the entire problem is that the process was flawed you had a little box and said just take a look at these locations and the locations that were picked had to come out first then you had your last study and it looked at Sheridan park versus 23rd street then take a look at anything else well again 23rd street cost wise has to come out against Sheridan park if you were my children I mean all of you if you were my children what would you do you'd say time out go to your room settle down and when you're calm down intelligently and not talk with a lot of emotion I ask you take a time out remove that box start the process but have a timeline because I can imagine the frustration of the police department at this point they must say what the heck are you people doing why don't you get your act together and I say get your act together let's have a new study a timeline and let's move forward and above all I ask you the older people and it's hard for me to say that because I'm old school so I'm going to say older men okay you were elected to lead I ask you to do that lead don't divide the city anymore don't have neighbor against neighbor and please get rid of the nastiness that I've seen here and the blocks of people that said I'm for this I'm for this work together thank you very much I hope I've under the three minutes anyone else wishing to be heard yes and can I have your name and home address please yes my name is Al Shervin I'm a deputy chief with the city of Sheboygan my home address is 5311 heatherfield court in town of Sheboygan excuse me 5311 what heatherfield court there are just two points that I'd like to make here on behalf of the police department the most significant issue for us is a central location to be able to deliver the services the second thing I think we're all in agreement is that we do need a new police department address the importance of the central location when arrests are made we have to bring somebody in if a police station is located on one side of a town we've got a long ways to go if citizens are located on opposite ends of the city they've got to drive that distance in order to come down to the station to get the services so if we would be looking at where we would be looking to go is our first priority is a central location for the convenience of all the citizens so officers are dispatched all over the city they're in their squads but the issue is when they bring in prisoners or if they have to bring in paperwork those are long distances to drive somebody made a comment about precincts having six or seven precincts frankly on many times we only have six or seven officers out on the road so it's a very good idea but it would end up being a supervisory problem in staffing these areas so really just one police department would be effective for a city our size thanks a lot anyone else wishing to be heard anyone else wishing to speak anyone else wishing to speak guess what thank you city clerk richards is there any other person that would like to have a final alderman thank you mr. mayor naturally you know I want to say something about my resolution this is a pure resolution save Sheridan park get on with finding another site we need a police station the community the citizens of Sheboygan need a police station so let's get on with finding a new site and remember the city planning department energetically opposed the use of a park to be used in the city of Sheboygan and they are our experts remember the Sheboygan long range comprehensive plan includes developments of parks and green spaces remember that municipality magazine we received that had a long article about the value monetarily and culturally about parks in cities remember the urban specialists who talk to us about what happens when police stations or municipal buildings are built in neighborhoods crime goes up not down parks crime goes down imagine if there is crime in the park now putting the police station will make it worse urban planners mandate parks and green spaces and I know the building use committee thought that that one particular square block in the whole of Sheboygan was the only place to build it I say there are other places that will work as well probably better remember that attorney steve mclean can you give us some information about the legal ramifications of the architectural group attorney mclean that's one issue that you need to consider if you do repeal the prior resolution is in january this year it was also authorized and the contract was entered into with Zimmerman design group the contract I've got a copy of the AIA sort of standard architectural design contract I don't have the RFP or the scope of work that went with it but a couple items in here that I should highlight just so you're aware prior to your vote it does indicate that the anticipated project site is the Sheridan park property at 14th and New Jersey I guess I read from that that it's not cast in stone but that was what was anticipated there are the contract is for $535,000 it calls for Zimmerman design group to engage in architectural service in five phases and it was contemplated in section 2.33 that at the conclusion of the design development phase on or around May 31 architectural services shall be halted to allow the owner to budget the project upon budgetary action by the owner the construction document phase shall commence on or around November 1, 2005 so it was kind of built in also to the contract that there's going to be use the phrase time out between June and November it was contemplated by the parties that there would be need to get the financing aspects of the project in place and that the architect would be somewhat on hold during that period to my knowledge step back a second I started talking about the five phases the design development phase is the second phase currently to my knowledge we're still in the first phase which is the schematic design phase and the result of the schematic design phase is that the architect submits to the owner a preliminary estimate of construction costs and the schematic consisting of drawings and documents illustrating scale and relationship of project components so it's sort of a schematic as opposed to construction drawings or anything like that that relate to a specific site my understanding again is we're about halfway into the first phase based on I talked to purchasing agent Kim Verhals today we've expended $12,000 to date and we received a bill for another $28,000 worth of service so that's $40,000 of work that the architect has has performed the first phase as far as the draw schedule calls for that amounting to about 15% of the work 15% of the work is around $80,000 so based on what's been submitted for billing we're about halfway into the first phase which is the schematic design phase the biggest phase is the third that's I mentioned the design development phase as the second already which we haven't got to the third phase the construction documents phase is 40% of the project and that's that's where the architect actually draws the plans and specs for specific site and I was at the committee the whole meeting council was obviously there also when representatives from Zimmerman were talking about the work that they had engaged in to this point was more conceptual dealing with needs assessments and so forth that a lot of that information can be applied it's my understanding to any site that the council were to choose there is one provision in here that the council needs to be aware of and that has to do with the ability of the parties to terminate or suspend the project and that's an article 8 title termination or suspension and indicates in a couple of spots if the project is suspended by the owner for more than 30 consecutive days the architect is entitled to be compensated for his services prior to the suspension and if the project is then resumed the architect is entitled to be compensated for any costs that might have been incurred due to the interruption and resumption of the services also if the work is suspended for more than 90 days the architect can terminate the agreement without cause basically they're saying or could say that you've suspended it for more than 90 days I'm going elsewhere I've got other things to do they could terminate and one of the provisions in the standard AIA documents in that event where the termination of the architect can be compensated for the services performed prior to termination together with reimbursable expenses then do an all termination expenses and the definition of termination expenses among other things includes plus an amount for the architect's anticipated profit on the value of the services not performed by the architect so that's kind of a lost profit type of remuneration it's not defined in here as to how you calculate that and I don't know if Zimmerman Design Group would even seek that as a remedy I would doubt it at this stage of the proceedings and I to my knowledge Zimmerman has been aware they've been to these meetings is aware of issues that the city has had over the site and I think they've been very patient they're willing to work with the city they do have a contract to design a police station and I think they'd like to continue that contract and design a police station for the city somewhere and if they are allowed to do that I don't see that you're going to end up with a bunch of contract issues over terminations but I just wanted to point out those things that are in the contract that I don't want people coming back and saying in six months why didn't you tell us this I did place a call to Zimmerman last either Thursday or Friday because Kim Verhals was on vacation last week and wasn't able to talk to him last week to get their sense of things I didn't hear back from them I have no reason to assume anything other than what I've mentioned to you that they understand where we are in the process and are willing to work with the city I think they want to be treated fairly though and I think the only way you'd have an issue is if you picked another site and then you said well if you picked another site let's get another architect I think then you'd have a contractual issue other than that you're probably okay but alright, Alderman Mortimer thank you attorney McLean Alderman D. Berg thank you your honor okay if a yes vote now on this whole document we're voting on the whole document correct as amended to Alderman Steffen's amendment which would take out the last be it for the resolved and replaced yeah I don't worry about all these that we just brought in but everything else is in here well then I'm going to have to ask for a separate vote and now therefore be it resolved that the common council hereby repeals resolution number 590405 I would like a roll call vote on that a separate vote on that and I hope the people that voted for Sheridan Park before stand by your guns don't give up show the people that you said you were voting for that you're not going to knuckle under to special interest groups or business groups or people from a different form of government stand by your guns walk out of here with your head held up high and keep your integrity thank you oh I just wanted to point out that it is one document as amended on the council floor it cannot be you cannot call a separate vote on different issues in the document yes I agree with the mayor on that the one thing that could be done would be to make a motion to amend the document to exclude everything but that one paragraph and then vote on that paragraph thank you your honor it's been a while since I talked I have a prepared statement that I like to read it was 30 pages but I got it down to two last summer before I voted on Sheridan Park for the first time I took my children to the park quite often I did this so that I was aware of how many people attended the park and that I would be comfortable with the decision that I would make regarding the park while we were there there was never more than one person at that park the night that I voted for the first time I'm building the police station at Sheridan my son was angry with me and my daughter cried they accepted my decision after I explained why I didn't but to this day my six-year-old daughter still says that I'm sassy for wanting to take the park I've never voted based on my personal feelings or emotions if I would do this our city would have many more four-way stops than already has in politics when decisions are based mostly on emotions and personal feelings it can become dangerous when this happens it is easy to go to extremes to get what the person wants and is passionate about suddenly promises are made and threats are handed out liberally I've never backed down or changed my vote because of deals promises or threats I've always voted based on my constituency and my morals I always will when I talk to people in my district about the new police station I often hear them say just build it already this council needs to stop fighting over where to build it and to just break ground on a new station my priority is to see a new police station built and to see the area of Sheridan park improved I don't believe that either one will happen if we continue to push for Sheridan park as a location for the station this council can play games with funding and citizens groups can petition how we fund items basically the city could come to a screeching halt because we disagree about where to put a police station that is no way to run a city therefore the reason I would change my vote is to get a police station built and the neighborhood cleaned up if this council does not build on Sheridan park we cannot forget about the neighborhood Gina Steinert has worked too hard to bring her neighborhood to our attention to just forget about it she has been working for years to have her area improved in changing to a neighborhood that Gina her neighbors and their children deserve the problem in the Sheridan park area is more than just a police issue the problems also involve building inspection and land owners that stopped caring I ask you Mayor Perez and this common council to work with Gina Steinert her neighbors and pollinanders to make the neighborhoods surrounding Sheridan park the best neighborhood that it has been for years we have the tools to make this an area to be proud of we just need to work together to do it no neighborhood in Sheboygan should be a victim of poor landlords and selfish citizens the neighborhood of Sheridan park is no different and I ask every citizen who became involved with their city government because of Sheridan park to refocus if the police station is not built at that location I ask you to work together to make that neighborhood to visit and to live it is more than just a place where a park sits it is a place where fellow Sheboygan nights call home if the park is saved tonight I ask you now to save the neighborhood don't turn your back on these residents and remember if the council rescinders vote tonight it does not mean we are going with the north 23rd street site we still have to determine what other sites to locate it at and it needs to be centrally located and if I could ask Paulette to speak about certain things we can do in that neighborhood thank you mayor and common council I know that I spoke to Alderperson Banda really about the master planning that was approved by the common council recently and that's what it actually is is a harbor center phase 3 there was a harbors center master plan phase 1 and then it was updated with a phase 2 and now we are moving into phase 3 and we are partnering with the development corporation and one of the neighborhoods that's actually a part of this plan whether it's by coincidence or not it just happens that one of the first districts that we are going to look at is 8th street Indiana up commerce street to 14th which includes the Sheridan park neighborhood and so not only we are going to look at the park and whether or not there was a police station there or not but actually look at that neighborhood and redeveloping that neighborhood and debug forget it I'll make my voice heard when we take a roll call vote thank you Alderman Berg Alderman Baumann thank you your honor I've been pretty quiet throughout these last couple of weeks concerning the Sheridan park neighborhood and the building of the police station does anyone remember at all when the two baseball parks or the baseball and the softball park were built those two basically were built I can't tell you exactly when but they were there to replace a different park the former Legion park do we remember does anyone remember Legion park there we go I see one in the audience I know for a fact that would remember it because he's now employed at the place or was now was employed at the place that replaced Legion park American orthodontics the city at the time was looking and looking and looking to unload Legion park because they built the two new softball baseball diamonds there were no protests at the time because a park was being destroyed a business replaced that park my wife tells me I didn't grow up in Sheboygan so I can't be able to remember this but she told me that she went there of course to watch donkey baseball of all things other people told me that they went there to watch football games baseball games eventually became quite the dilapidated area and did need something done with it and that's when the city decided to replace it I'm not saying let's destroy another park but I mean that was a park that really at the time no one cared about and just something just to be back into consideration I've received dozens of phone calls within the last couple of weeks the most phone calls ever were today and the calls today basically were from people and in emails mind you that said save Sheridan park only one of those phone calls came from a constituent of mine within my district that said Mr. Bowman your mind was made up several times don't change it yes there are other people in my district too that called me as for the numbers they were basically even so I'm torn right now what should I do what should I really do it's I don't know what to do right now be very honest listening to everyone here in the audience tonight it was pretty much even as to who was for who was against to or undecided so I'm kind of wondering where are those 2900 people that did sign that petition and say um let's save that park were they all here tonight no they couldn't be here tonight and I can understand that but I'm torn at the moment I really don't know what to do thank you your honor I've been on this side of the bar for about three weeks and I think it's really easy to understand why we only build a police station once every 100 years we've heard from the police in terms of their needs we've heard from the friends of the park in terms of their needs and issues we've heard from the neighbors of the park and there's yet one group we haven't heard from and they're the taxpayers they're the folks that buy the bullets that we shoot at each other up here every couple of weeks and originally I was uh had approached older than Montabayor to keep Sheridan park on the table in terms of a point of discussion uh that got me into a lot of trouble uh you and I had uh a frank conversation on that we've had a couple of frank conversations and we're probably going to have more uh older than Montabayor uh you and I have had a number of energetic conversations that have dealt with this issue my specific concern was that without having cost data on Sheridan park we will be like somebody driving down the road always looking in the rear view mirror because we won't be able to understand the cost and the information after talking with attorney McLean and Alderman Montabayor now I'm pleased to give my whole hearted support to this resolution because we'll have that cost data we'll be able with phase one to say this is what the building would look like and this is what it would cost and I think that's responsive and I think that to a large degree addresses the concerns of the taxpayers and also it allows taxpayers to have their input in terms of their degree of tolerance for our decisions because sooner or later this is going to translate into raising if you would the tax levy thank you. Alderman Serta thank you Your Honor one of the things that was mentioned here tonight which I appreciate was um the ability to make decisions based upon emotion um what I'm going to say in respect to those individuals who have a moral conviction of never taking a part what I say doesn't matter because facts don't matter and to those individuals I can respect that opinion but as an older person I cannot make my decisions solely based on emotion it is my responsibility to number one do the homework and I would encourage my fellow older persons to do the same because if you don't do your own homework just listening everybody will sound everything sounds good a little bit of here and a little bit of there if you do the homework and I have a clear conscience I've looked at the sites I was the one when I asked when Moyer gave their presentation about the land acquisition cost why they weren't incorporated and they just said they told me not to I asked them why there was a green roof on Sheridan Park and not the 23rd site they said because we're just going to put the grass you take away and put it on top of the roof that wasn't good for me at $100,000 I'm asking those questions because I'm doing my homework and second I take into consideration the concerns of the citizen and those in my district I too Mr. Baumann am split as far as the phone calls and that's really hard because if it was one way you'd make my job easier however I think it is fair to mention for those individuals who feel that green space is at jeopardy we have to keep in mind that thanks to the Garten family it's got 35 acres donated as parkland to the city of Sheboygan I see another concern here and that is I don't know if people are aware of that and for those of you who are new on the council you probably don't know this but initially when we were going to build a police station we were told that we were going to build the Taj Mahal and then once that got that wouldn't sidetrack us the next thing was the 23rd site the 23rd site has been used continuously to discredit Sheridan Park and the Moyers if you look at their report interesting enough you can still build at Sheridan Park I believe it was a win-win and I'll still continue to believe that that it was a win-win for the neighborhood the community and our police department and for the input that we received from the friends of Sheridan Park that was taken into consideration so all their efforts weren't lost because of their input there was a compromise in building the building at Sheridan Park it was scaled back from the front to save the memorial to the soldier to save some of the trees it was a win-win and I think there's been a good job at generating so much doubt that we lost our focus but I'm not going to change my vote because I did my homework and I'm going to stick by it but as a citizen and as a child who grew up in that neighborhood thank you thank you mayor I have to agree with Alderman Montemayer in her comment that we do have multiple locations that would suit our purpose for a new police station in fact we're rather fortunate we have the problem that we have so many good locations that have never even been looked at and I keep getting emails every day giving me new ideas that I should be looking obviously we do have a very controversial issue with Sheridan Park if this resolution fails tonight in moving the location out of the park I see numerous obstacles in our way in our attempt to move forward now I'm only a freshman Alderman but it is my understanding that one of the first steps that we would do if it were to stay in the park is that we would need to apply for the bonding is getting the financing in line to move ahead with the police station and this group would have to pass an authorizing resolution once the authorizing resolution is passed the public has 30 days to file a petition for a public referendum and based on some of the things I've seen in the past I'm pretty confident that a referendum would probably come our way but the question on the referendum would not be should we build in Sheridan Park the question would be should the city issue 10 million dollars in bonds for the police station and if that fails if that referendum question were to fail I think that set us back a good 10 years so but I guess on the other hand if that were to pass or if we were moving on to a situation where we needed to make a budget transfer we would need a two thirds majority on the floor to make it happen the mayor still has veto power and I believe then if you wanted to overturn that there would be so many delays in sticking with the Sheridan site that I think that now is the time to change the location so we can all agree where to build the new police station and break ground as soon as possible when you think about what is our objective what's our goal our goal is to get that police station built as soon as possible and I'm just very concerned that if we stick with the Sheridan Park site we're going to delay the process and possibly jeopardize the whole thing with the potential of going to a public referendum and responding thank you Alderman Mayer thank you mayor I would like to say I do believe that the taxpayers have spoken when they voted to put Mayor Perez in office and to replace a few of the Alderman and I think our city is so divided right now over this park and if we continue doing this it's just going to continue to divide us and it's time now we've started to bed let's move on let's get a different site like Alderman Shusha said there are many sites out there to pick from and let's just move on let's get this resolution passed and let's build a new police station someplace else Alderman Sheridan thank you your honor I appreciate that you've been forthright and honest and just saying that basically that if it would just happen like Alderman Sheridan Park the fear factor has been utilized that there could be other stalling tactics and I'll tell you if it doesn't fall in my favor I will continue to say this I will work together as a team I won't stall the project I'm not going to use fear factors and say I'm going to run out and get that's part of teamwork and I think we need to be careful in setting that especially and I hope the press is getting this that if it doesn't fall a certain way there's going to be some tactic to utilize and you know what I'm going to be bigger in this and I'm just going to say I'm going to move forward with you I'm fine with that thank you your honor Alderman Shusha I want to apologize if my comments were mistaken as a threat in any way I was just trying to clarify the process and I was expecting someone to correct me if I was incorrect because I am only a freshman Alderman and I would like to rely on the expertise of the other Alderman if I don't understand the process with the way things go so I'm sorry if my comments were mistaken in any way Alderman Rettke thank you your honor talking to the parks people last week talking to other Alderman things the one question I had is if we save this park which I'm in favor of what are we going to do to revitalize this park and I've heard people commit in the public that has been trying to save the park to definitely put some effort into saving this park which is going to help revitalize that neighborhood but I also want to see these people in the neighborhood be helped we need to get the building inspection department the police whatever it takes into that neighborhood and get the situation resolved over there by building a police station there is not going to fix the problem they're just going to move the problem down the road we have a situation here where a person was assaulted or attacked over in New York Avenue 7 o'clock in the morning a couple of years ago I mean does a police station mean we're going to be safe we've got drug traffic getting other problems happening right here in the downtown or within a block of this very building does this building stop crime from happening no what we need to do is get the park taken care of get on with this police station and put this to bed which should have been taking care 50 years ago thank you Alderman Cigali thank you Mr. Mayor I guess the bottom line for me is we need a police station at a century located and it's a neighborhood police station that it's easy accessible to all the taxpayers in Sheboygan to go I just I feel our policemen deserve the benefit of the doubt where they feel there would be best location of this police station and to me it's not on the North 23rd Street site thank you and if I could add just one more thing to Mr. Westfield I just want him to know that yes we if you remember correctly a document was given to the council I think it was last year concerning satellite stations and it was given to the Special Projects Committee but at that time it just felt that it wasn't feasible so I just wanted him to know that yes we did look at those things thank you Your Honor okay we will call the roll can I get a clarification I'm sorry can I get a clarification Alderman Steffen the final vote on the amendment you want to take the last be it further resolved paragraph out and replace it with your amended be it further resolved the very last be it further resolved thank you okay I'm going to understand what we're voting on the amendment okay we're going to be voting on well we haven't voted on the resolution as amended so this is the final vote and that amendment is Alderman Steffen's paragraph that will go at the very end of the document to replace the last paragraph are you clear yes this is a vote to be sent our vote on Sheridan Park this is the original resolution do we send our vote yes with the last paragraph being changed to Alderman Steffen's last paragraph correct Alderman Steffen so an aye vote would be to repeal with that amendment thank you Your Honor and that would mean that we can transfer to the Committee of the Whole and the Committee of the Whole would be called to discuss new sites yes instead of building use being in charge it would be going to the Committee of the Whole and establish the process can I read you the paragraph would you like me to read you the paragraph okay the very last would you have your document in front of you the very last be it further resolved and the second yes would be replaced to read that the Kamen Council hereby request the Committee of the Whole to establish and implement the process for selection of a site for construction of the new police station and to investigate and make further recommendations to the council for the council's use in making a final site selection that's the amendment the rest of the resolution would stand as written Alderman D. Berg thank you Your Honor in other words if we vote yes that means we're resending our vote that's what that's what they're kicking around okay are we clear this is res as amended this is to resend the vote please call the vote Alderman Serta Davis Graf Kittleson Meyer Montemayor Radke Segali Steffen Susha Van Ackren Vanderweel Baumann D. Berg E. Berg the vote is 11-5 motion to adjourn second if it's okay just real quickly I want to remind people Friday and Saturday rockets for schools enjoy thank you there's a motion to second to adjourn all those in favor stay high we're adjourned here he is he's the caller and another time out this time by Beaver Dam let's see that one again Scott Hartman hit them first let's see who finishes them off Wufda that was all Hartman that time I think that was the first time he nailed them just a junior outstanding consecutive four yard losses for Rentmeister you know and that really have they come trolled him well I'll tell you that really forces us of the hand of Beaver Dam which is not their strength is throwing the football and boy you've just they had right in the pater they're 10 yards away 11 yards away now they're 20 yards away two plays is all you got to have on that second play he hit them in the backfield knocked them back Rentmeister was on his feet barely staggering and then he got finished off by a second south defender what a play we'll call it the 20 yard line it's third down at 17 there's one minute exactly left on the clock number two here on D number two Dolph Litz and again Blitzer has picked up looking in the end zone incomplete double coverage the main defender back there was number eight Alan Conrad a lot of contact both offense and defense and good no call by the officials that for sure because I'll tell you what Longfield pushed off just as much here you're going to see it just arriving a little late for south plus majorly one play Marty but light coaches you're forcing them to do things that they're not comfortable with and that of course is passing the ball well you got the parents, the students everybody's up here like I said this place is pretty full and Deverdam's going to burn their last time out I believe or the south call time out south call the time out to discuss the defense and one thing I like coach is when they run these parents nights first home game of the season let them know what it's all about hopefully you can get them back come to some more exciting games and a performance like this certainly has to inspire a lot of those parents that want to come back and watch your children well I tell you a win or a loss this is just an exciting game and it would be so much better if they can come away with a win exciting for TV well I'll tell you get your guys in the end zone Chris get a couple guys deep and nobody gets behind you that's for sure and well I wouldn't mind I'm seeing bringing a linebacker to just to keep pressure on that quarterback coach Pfeiffer is telling Tim Stubbe after we get a stop here you know how to take a knee they're going to stop for lining up for a field ball oh boy they don't know if they want to do this all south again so what are you going to talk here I'm almost real tempted to just hang back and not rush too much and let them try it because I don't think they're going to kick it 37 yards away right that's a long ways for high school kid now we don't know what that young man has in his legs Derek Minnig is their kicker number 21 oh he's a junior I don't think who knows only got Kyle Myers was the holder the first time he's a junior quarterback they got two juniors out there which is Steve Fosser number 53 he's got his shoulder bandaged up right now he obviously was hurt earlier in the game yes they are lining up for a field goal Minnig is the kicker Salt hanging back kick is down it's into the line no good Salt is going to win this ball game miss snap again Minnig's kick and the snap nothing went right on that for the second time and if Stubbe can take a knee or two Salt has got themselves a victory here tonight 21 to 18 and a very top opponent in Beaver Dam what momentum to take you into Green Bay East next week and the fans here are just on their feet deservedly sold these young men played their hearts out I'll tell ya Will Hartman made two of the best hits in a clutch situation you could ever ask for Eric Donovan is about 20 yards deep protecting just in case Stubbe takes the snap he goes down Brock is running we're at 40 seconds left Chris Wright has gone down going to try and get an interview after this ball game there you see the hero of the day Will Hartman we're down to 19 seconds this will be the final play of the game Stubbe takes the snap and goes down and that's going to be the ball game Sheboygan Salt is going to win this one by a score of 21 to 18 rolls down to zero and there it is there you see the happy Salt High football team ball team