 all right we're recording all right um tom I'll let you do the typical intro stuff you've got that I'm sure in the back of your head by now with all these meetings going on sure I've called the subcommittee for compliance and enforcement to order just make a quick roll based on what I see here on the screen looks like Mark Gorman present president Ingrid Jonas present president Tim Westle present here Harry sorry you're muted I know I was butchering your last name the Gare's president as well David Huber is also on the call president Frank Brandon Winkle thanks for joining us too Ashley can you hear us yeah present well and then Kyle do you just want to tell us who's in the room with you sure Kyle Harris member cannabis control board we have Nellie Marvel our admin services coordinator Bryn here our executive director Lindsay Wells the medical marijuana program administrator Julie Holberg cannabis control board members in the room David share general counsel cannabis control board and then we have two members of the public three members of the public thank you're muted sorry thank you Kyle did you want to move forward with the agenda Kyle do you want me to yeah I think I think moving forward with the agenda I think today what we're hopeful you know Tom and Mark and NACB have have done some research on local ordinances looking at other other states that have an adult use program that also happen to be dealing states and it doesn't look like there's many there's many of them but I thought you know Tom if you and Mark could could give an overview of that we do have a couple model ordinances that could serve the starting point but Tom was kind enough to remind me today that some of those local ordinances were you know developed through I don't know they were they through statute Tom I know they're they're different than they're not they're a little bit less restrictive than we would anticipate some of this is being in the state of Vermont but I'd love to get your your perspective on your research and then we can share some of that information to the to the subcommittee and put it up on our website after this is over I briefly want to talk about seat to sail tracking and kind of the board's thoughts on how we can move that forward recognizing we're probably gonna have to put out a request for proposals or for services sooner rather than later to make sure that this can start to line up with what we're hoping to launch another Tim and Ingrid were unable to join us last week for various reasons so happy that you're back here with us today we got a great conversation from David and Kerry on their capabilities from an enforcement and compliance perspective on outdoor cultivation and indoor cultivation I was hoping Kerry and Dave just give the very five minute level overview of that we'll have recordings of those previous meetings for you Tim and Ingrid hopefully in the coming days unless you know from what you hear now and you feel comfortable on voting something like this later today we can have that conversation towards the end of the hour if not I'd love to put up the agency back working with the agency of agriculture for a vote Thursday so just let us know how comfortable you are no pressure at all I just want to start moving moving forward and then if we have time would love to discuss sub committee priorities but I think we also might be waiting to do that on on Thursday so let's see how far we get and and hopefully tee up some votes either later today or on Thursday sounds good do you call you want me to discuss what Mark and I found regarding the local ordinance yeah if you could give us that that overview sure that would be great yeah and I mean start at the most basic level a lot of states do follow the Dylan rule but but they're mixed states so just to start off with the research I mean Nevada and Virginia are two states that that are purely Dylan rule states so that's what we look to this weekend I provided Kyle with model local ordinances from from Nevada specifically Reno and Las Vegas and that's what are the most available Virginia is relatively new so we're not having success I don't know how many towns and municipalities have adopted their own local ordinances so that that's where we'll provide but as Kyle said if you take a look at the reference materials that we disseminated before the first subcommittee meeting act 164 and Stephanie Smith referenced this in our first subcommittee meeting but there's not a lot left to the towns and municipalities as far as as far as other powers that that the legislation grants and certainly there there still are you know substantial factors within the towns and municipalities such as zoning and such as fees but as far as creating any other bylaws under the enabling statutes it just doesn't exist in Vermont right now that's not the case in other states like Nevada so my caveat to to Kyle was you know you can take a look at these as models as a Dylan state but just keep in mind that Nevada statute is is vastly different from Vermont with respect to how much powers that the states and localities have what we also provided mark was able to find from states like Connecticut and Virginia some of the recommendations that they're on cannabis boards were able to send to their legislators and I think that they'll be instructive as well so I mean it might be helpful to discuss that in greater depth if there's questions Kyle may be on Thursday's meeting after after one's had a chance to take a look at that yeah I just did forward it to all the members of the subcommittee okay I know that that I know that you've got right now and it's hard to discuss it in real time Tim I want to give you an opportunity to talk given your your role on the subcommittee as it relates to anything Tom just to gave us but I mean I totally understand how you haven't had an opportunity to really sink into this material well thank you but I it's true it just dropped into my e-bots e-mail box and that was simply the which states are Dylan's and which states are own rule when it comes to yeah it looks like there's some there's active hyperlix on that word doc they kind of pull you okay and then there's some you know I think the Connecticut and Virginia are especially the Connecticut PDF was was helpful and instructive for me I think what might be helpful for us to talk about in broad strokes is if you know as a subcommittee planning on developing a model ordinance for the board to help use to distribute out to municipalities and in around Vermont is that something Tim that you think you know would be a good use of this subcommittee's time and the board's time in helping develop that at this point in the game can you repeat that as exactly what as we look at suggestions for municipal ordinances helping municipalities understand what power they will have over retail establishments in their respective municipalities how can this subcommittee be helpful in communicating this as a starting point this language that the board will then you know look at and then hopefully we can distribute through the League of Cities and Towns and other partners obviously get their input as well I think Joel is doing some roundtable discussions with municipalities later this week yes but but how can this you know I'm trying to break the ice on model ordinances fees are a different part of the conversation but wrapped up into it I get that but but how can we use of utilizing this subcommittee really make some type of progress on giving guidance to those that are interested in this being a part of their community well I mean I just would try not to be flipping but any guidance whatsoever would probably be welcomed by municipalities yeah in Vermont who are honestly not used to getting any advanced input taken at all with fair enough we're you know you know municipalities in Vermont are used to just being hoping that the state will be keeping them in mind and their duties and their challenges in mind when they go forward so I would say that any and all guidance taken from municipalities would be would be welcome and certainly I think Julie was already talking to me about possibly delaying a roundtable which at this point sounds wise until next week and then because we're not really sure of all of the what's coming out of this committee so yeah totally that makes sense I didn't want to put Julie on the spot who's sitting in the room I know it's for tomorrow but I know that that has also been discussed and delaying that just so we can all have a better understanding of what's coming out of this committee and survey results Julie I don't want to put you on the on the spot but do you have any suggestions for how this committee can be useful and in in front of that roundtable or before that roundtable I think if you discuss the model ordinances and if there are some things that we can if there are specific questions that we can ask of the roundtable that's probably the best way to get their feedback you know given that it's a group that's very probably from large towns to small towns you know if we have specific questions that we can ask them I think that's probably the best way to frame that roundtable so if there are questions that this group has you know those are things I could take to that roundtable that's great so I think you know what I would propose to the subcommittee members is I just forwarded you the email that Tom and Mark had sent Brent and I this morning take some time if you have the ability to do so over the course of the next couple days I'd love to discuss those model ordinances and a little bit more detail on Thursday I mean that agenda is gonna fill up quickly but that's the nature of what's going on here and we can really look to to think about how we can best be helpful ahead of your roundtable the following week does that sound like a good go ahead Tom yeah if I could just ask Tim a question so I have a better sense of what we're dealing with and and Tim you and I can have this discussion offline as well but well where the rubber hits the road on a lot of this as far as municipalities or localities and this just it's not just in Vermont but it's with the local zoning boards and that's what if if you're awarded a license that's the next big step that you've got to take depending where you're located so I'm just trying to get a sense it will help us decide how these model or local ordinances can be shaped like this does your town or does your municipality or in general do they all have established zoning boards with with those type of of regulations developed on it on a town level or and I know it's gonna vary depending on the size of of the town or the locality but I'm just trying to figure out the level of level of established kind of boards that we have across the state does that make sense yes it does I mean I can without going back and doing a little bit of research as maybe we all should be doing at this point but I can only speak for Brattleboro the way we're structured we definitely have both staff capacity and board capacity separate clearly from select board but you know it's zoning rules have to be run through the state as well because of the Dylan's rule situation so I there's no one answer to that there's a range but I guess I can try to help to to get a fuller picture of that and again I was kind of hoping to to glimpse of that from the roundtable responses that Julia was good enough to put together that survey and sure because I only have experience with Brattleboro at this point I'm not really a consultant for the rest of Vermont municipalities yeah so if I were far gonna put up a McDonald's or that was gonna go up in Brattleboro that at some point McDonald's or whoever was putting up an establishment would have to submit and get the license from an established zoning board in Brattleboro is that yeah in our case it's a developmental review board first it would go through it would be screened and sort of requirements would be checked off through a planning department so that's pretty universal to have a planning department and a and a developmental review board but I've never actually served on the DRB in here in Brattleboro but I'm familiar enough with the process okay thank you thank you Tim and Tom is just reviewing this information and coming back and trying to put some some thought into how we can best help the roundtable serve as a good way to approach this at the next meeting I think that I could be wrong but I also think local fees will be discussed either today or on Thursday in the Market Structure Committee which which also might help inform some of that part of this conversation okay so last Thursday I want to move on Tom to just a continuation of this of the seat-to-sale conversation for those that weren't with us last Thursday we heard from the hemp team at the agency of agriculture and the vendor that they're using to help with licensing and and hopefully using seat-to-sale tracking through that that vendor called hemp trace I think that's right carry trace Vermont I can't exactly remember on top my head I think what would be helpful is I want to I want to give the the subcommittee an opportunity to talk with Lindsay Wells who runs our medical marijuana program here and she has some institutional knowledge that she'll be bringing from that program from a software perspective and working with a couple different companies I wanted to give Lindsay an opportunity to share what she thinks from a functionality perspective and a non-functionality perspective would be prudent for the subcommittee and the board to consider if we're going to move towards a seat-to-sale tracking vendor relationship over the course of the next couple months so some things are to consider what you would be tracking certain data elements for each step along the process and how that information gets pushed along and what kind of requirements for the system would be needed as far as like security users you know there'd be different types of user accounts for everybody logging into the system and is this a system that the board would also be utilizing that'd be a functional requirement it could be communications could be passed through here if it was documents such as records that could be shared and then reports that could be run by the licensee or by the board those types of like high-level functional requirements does it you know I don't in my world like HIPAA compliant or any kind of like other type of security needs that may be needed to be met because there may be financial data that could be if it's connecting to the the NIC or the Vic the payment the state payment processor the national information consortium there are certain security requirements that will have to be met there so though those kinds of pieces will need to be housed in the RFP when he goes out to proposal that you're going to be looking for a vendor to meet these requirements so so Lindsay I have a quick question and we can see if anybody on the phone or on the team's link has a has a question so it's my understanding that and I'm not a software guy so excuse my rudimentary understanding of how this works at least in your world so so you allow each dispensary to choose their own platform as long as it syncs up with your platform is that correct yeah so our solution can integrate with anything that pretty much that even if it doesn't have an open API but that's the easiest way to integrate long as it has an open API and we can push or pull information with all the like suspected users from a small cultivator all the way up does that model seem would that type of model make sense or would would you think it would be better for everybody to be using the same model from a C2 sale tracking platform so it has it's good and it's bad which is something that would have to be weighed out I think the good would be that the licensees would have a product once it was implemented that had all of the requirements laid out in there for them but also it's nice if they can go pick something that they would like and they can integrate in it could take some for that to integrate though carry I see your hands up I was actually gonna pull from some of your expertise before I'd installed a hand so I'm glad it's up no I was just wondering I think I missed it if Lindsay mentioned what what's the name of the platform that they're using is the platform we have is called visual vault and it's not a it it's not a cannabis system it's not what it was initially for but we can use it to store like all of our documents in it um but the dispensaries they have their C2 sale tracking system that we we can we're integrated with and we can pull information in and we could push information into their system and there's a couple of different ways we can push it in we didn't want to just push info in there without them knowing about what it was so they were able to view it and they were able to accept it accept it and it would push it in so those are some different options um is that something that ADS supports or do you have a third party vendor a third party vendor visual vault okay all right carry I wanted to tap into some of your expertise and also Tom feel free to speak up you know I think the way I understand and correct me if I'm wrong Lindsay I mean we have a handful of dispensaries in the state that are using their own C2 sale tracking platform that integrates with what we have as a state right is that a system that's going to work with a couple hundred people at various or license holders and a couple hundred is just a broad number I'm pulling out of my head um from from small cultivators all the way up and down the supply chain or is it better to go with one probe or one vendor that the cannabis control board would say this is who this is this is the direction that we're going does that make sense yeah are you asking me or Lindsay I think it's better to go with something that works so whatever is tried and true right um if Lindsay's got a vendor that's off the shelf and it integrates with a whole bunch of different platforms it might make sense to go that way I think it's worth getting demonstrations from from both visual vault and the folks at trace just to see what they're offering in the end you're going to need something that works and we can only guess until we actually get a demonstration I know that there's other other big um you know platform providers that that are present in other states I guess I was trying to see if if we're going to put something out and I know that a lot of those dispensaries use utilize some of those platforms like metric or MJ freeway or MJ freeway leaf logic bio of track THC 365 cannabis cool I guess all of those I'm thinking about cultivators and just how much legwork it's going to be on there and to form that relationship and do that analysis before they decide whether or not it will integrate into our system I'm not a software guy so I could be butchering a part of this conversation but I'm just trying to figure out is it better to go with one or a system that integrates with whoever they decide to work with well they all offer the different levels of tracking and tracing and the first couple were designed to sort of integrate with the coal them all which wanted each individual plant each individual seed tracked um or you know we have we're having the conversations about are we tracking lots or are we tracking individual plants and I think that decision needs to be made before you sort of head in one software direction or the other I agree and I'm getting there I'm trying so so what I think will be the best way for us to handle this part of the priority list from seed to sale tracking perspective is what I'm hope I'm hoping that the subcommittee can help us determine what is most appropriate to include in an RFP so small cultivators are benefited by going with lot a lot number instead of having to track and trace each specific plant that's something that I would love to hear you know Lindsey kind of said how seed to sale tracking information can be helpful I think from both sides of the coin inventory management cultivation metrics spanking needs it's data for us in real time from a compliance and enforcement perspective I think I'm I think at this point I'm most interested to hear and carry tapping into your expertise how we can craft something to put out for an RFP that would help small cultivators and I think you know I'm hopeful to take away some thoughts from this conversation and turn it into a charge or a paragraph that the subcommittee might feel comfortable voting on that would form the basis of an RFP that we would put out to look for a relationship with a vendor that really crystallizes how this technology should be used from a functionality perspective in the non functionality perspective in the state so from like a broader compliance and enforcement standpoint to a system that's not just for seed to sale tracking it provides that and one way or the other but there's licensing I don't know if there's been any discussion about like we have incident reporting so if there's a violation of the rules they have an opportunity to inform us of the violation and let us know what corrective actions have been taken have taken place and we take it from there so those are all housed in there and the licensees able to go in and submit those to us and they all attach to their record along with the individuals who work for them and they can process their renewal in there whatever part they may because fingerprinting obviously would not occur through our system but they could do everything and then once the results you're able to issue their card I guess I'm making an assumption about issuing a card and then from our system we can print that out so it's like a broader compliance and enforcement piece there's some other functions that we have in our system thank you Lindsay Tom thanks I just had a couple questions for Lindsay while we have her here I mean first when when you were talking about lotter individual plants Lindsay how do you track it currently in in medical they have to track every plant that's what I thought okay and then I mean I've got kind of the same questions that I had for for great at the last meeting a lot of what it is being experienced in other states as far as problems with the software the slowdown seem to be from from updates or just slow communications with troubleshooting have you experienced any of that with with visual or had any problems well they have their regular updates I'm notified ahead of time if there'll be any downtime I have ample notice to post something up on our website if it's going to have any impact to the portal I don't think that it's been over like a 30-minute interruption potentially to people using the portal but we do get those messages you know they do regularly update it to keep up with whatever the latest and greatest security stuff is but but it hasn't hasn't really slowed you down from a functionality perspective it's not it hasn't been too cumbersome or slow problematic no it's so in some of the changes like I can make to the system myself so it's it's very user-friendly from you know program perspective there are some things that I need to ask the vendor to do but it as part of our contract it lays out how long they have to respond but they've been so responsive to be honest I haven't had to familiarize myself with that section of the contract because they're normally normally they get back to us shortly after we email and I would say you know within an hour or two if there's any issues good and there haven't been any data breaches no okay thank you Tom a question for you just in your experience working and with other jurisdictions using this type of technology do other jurisdictions allow a license holder to go form a relationship with their own software company that integrates with what the state is using or is it you know a license holder needs to go register with x company in order to work from a C to cell tracking perspective within the the state guidelines and regulations well and this is my understanding and I think this is what Lindsay was describing each license holder can use whatever software that they want to use that the api is what's critical when when Lindsay was saying the open api and how that interacts with whatever software program that the state is using and that's that's the critical connection is how those how well those two mesh together and how how those are tracked um so no matter where you are in the state each each license holder can use whatever software they they want it's just how it interfaces with whatever the state is using up on their system okay to follow up one of your questions about um a way to make this easier on the small cultivator I think if it's possible to go with the software where they don't have to buy anything but they log on to a system that the state owns I think that's one way to take a load off of the cultivator they essentially don't have to buy any software so I think we should have a system that's sort of the state is running that they can log on to without having to purchase any standalone software that's kind of like a better way to ask some of my questions because I'm not a software guy I don't I don't know if that's how it works in other states or if it's the the relationship that the medical program has with its its license holders or you know what's what are the bigger states doing yeah and I can just tell you here in Arizona because you know just you're now going back six or seven years when it has medical program the state didn't have its own software program so each of the license holders were were using their own if if they had it because it wasn't mandated yet and so because that was kind of legacyed in they still have their their systems I mean Mark that's probably something you and I can look into the newer jurisdictions uh how that's that's set up although Vermont's a little bit unique with the small cultivator but I think in my experience for the most part license holders are getting their own software and not relying on the state great um okay so so this has been this has been helpful for me hopefully has been helpful for other subcommittee members I think what I would like to do Tom is is maybe Bern and I can take a stab at at doing a a pair writing a paragraph a charge that the subcommittee would consider um sending to the full board as part of an RFP to um work or put out for for work with this type of software um with with these comments in mind with the small cultivators that Kerry um said in mind this this lot versus per plant and understanding the the dynamics and how that might affect a small cultivator a little bit more than it would some of our larger operators but if we can get something together and fully on board and share with the subcommittee on Thursday that's something um I would like to do to make sure that it's from a record keeping perspective uh a compliance perspective it makes sense because this could look a couple different ways depending on the functionalities that are best suited for the state sound good okay all right so it's 238 um moving along um what I'd like to do is have a continued conversation about cultivation compliance Tim and Ingrid I know you weren't with us last week and we did communicate this morning um Gary and David I'd love to to give you an opportunity just very quickly to um give Tim and Ingrid you haven't had an opportunity really to hear from your mouth on um on the capabilities that the Agency of Agriculture has how you can help us as part of our broader consumer protection program with outdoor and indoor cultivation inspection enforcement and compliance Kerry I did send you a couple questions that I know Tom had um and if you wouldn't mind just incorporating those into your comments for the better of the group that would be great all right I will and um I'll start with those questions and then um Dave just uh chime in or interrupt me if you've got anything to add first it says how many agents does the department of ag have um and that's sort of we have a bunch but it's really dependent on on which ones we're talking about um I do have a hemp inspector um Mike who you some of you know and some of you have heard from and there's um a lab compliance officer in the program and Stephanie that manages the hemp program I also have six field agents that could be truck cross trained but depending on how much of the program you would want at the Agency of Ag we could have a standalone cannabis quality control program that just added more mics to the mix um while having those other six field agents cross trained to do inspection so right now um like uh sort of once we get closer to a decision I can tell you how much resources we have to devote to that and it um it says what the next question was what square footage do they cover currently are you do you mean hemp like Tom what did you mean sorry yeah um it'd be helpful to know yeah how much do you know this roughly the square footage for for hemp and then I was just wondering for so if you have you have six field agents for the rest of of ag yeah so uh in the hemp program um the there was acre we have a number of acreages uh a number four acreages um it's was in the thousands of acres so that's 42,000 square feet or 46,000 square feet per acre um okay I think it's also helpful it might be helpful to also think about it in terms of license holders too Tom and I know I think I think Stephanie's estimated us that they have what carry about 600 license holders and the average license holder is planning on a half acre or less right so and that's all just undermined who said who's maybe it is yep but but on occasion so we do have the other six inspectors um are trained for pesticide inspections and they go to these facilities as well um in terms of square footage that might be a question for Lindsay because she knows where footage is for the dispensaries but we can get there eventually and we are at about 20% of those cultivators inspected annually so in five years we would get to all of them right and and I remember that 20% number I mean how does that that just outside of hemp what does that look like for the rest of the of your department for for agriculture when you're looking at your other inspectors yep so it depends it depends on size so it's your next question existing crops requiring lab testing so that those same inspectors do pesticide feed seed and fertilizer um inspections as well um our class a dealers class a pesticide dealers get visited up to six times a year the class b dealers which are less toxic pesticides they get visited at least once every other year um we do take feed samples we do take fertilizer samples they do go to the lab for compliance testing we also take pesticide samples for investigate investigatory complaints uh drift and misuse but also we do take compliance samples as well to make sure something was formulated correctly um in terms of compliance rate sort of the feed dealers we take multiple samples from each feed dealer every year so number of entities inspected is 100% but we don't test 100% of the feed that they're producing so there's uh enforcement presence um relationship development it helps to create a culture of compliance but we're not there at 100% um we're not sampling 100% of what they produce um and I can't tell you based on tonnage exactly what percentage we're sampling because we don't actually report that lock size um we do get tonnage for fertilizer at the end of the year um I guess I could do a calculation on what percentage of the fertilizer tonnage gets sampled but I haven't actually I don't have that as a statistic right now um the next question is what training do our inspectors receive um Dave I'm going to let you take hand it over to you and just go over all the trainings that you've put together for all the inspectors or how have offered to them sure I have a question other sorry can I ask a question before we sort of switch over are is there any confidentiality issues that the board should be aware of during an investigation carry in terms of what like would you be it were under your rules statute are you allowed to share information during an ongoing investigation no no and we don't make compliance we don't make enforcement actions public either once they're finalized they're available upon or by a freedom public records request public records request thanks Dave but yeah no none of our compliance no open cases are sort of allowed for public consumption would that be an issue with the board with your folks going out you mean you mean the board being able to be apprised of what's going on if the agency of agriculture is the one conducting those yeah there's an ongoing investigation as part of the inspection no that would all be handled under an mo you um and we're in the same position right now with other agencies and departments operating under memorandums of understanding with a and r for water quality enforcement thanks Lindsey all right Dave back to you sure just to fill in a couple of items there carried into great job explaining about the different inspectors that we do have the field agents just keep in mind that all the field agents currently as Kerry said do do nursery inspections feed seed fertilizer lime ginseng seed potato it's quite a robust amount of expertise that these field agents have and so that does really help out a lot when going to sites and you know looking at something in a totality sort of way looking at a very holistic approach of is something wrong with this operation and if it is it might be touching upon multiple other items that the agency of agriculture has jurisdiction over so it could be a fertilizer problem that leads you to a cannabis issue or it could be a registration issue that leads you to a nursery issue but everything is correlated that way as far as training for our inspectors they do go through a couple of different programs externally as well as internal training externally there's the clear program it's a training organization that takes state regulators and puts them through a couple of different scenarios and then teaches them or refreshes them on report writing and other components it is geared towards a health inspector as well as a oversight for the professional responsibility type of inspection but it definitely is my opinion as well as the agency is that if you can train somebody to write a report for one subject matter and they have the basics you can transfer that to any other type of state agency administrative report focusing specifically on environmental enforcement we do work very closely with the northeast environmental enforcement project this is a group of EPA professionals as well as state regulators who provide training for state agencies and their regulators from Maine down to West Virginia and all the way out to Ohio these trainings encompass many different things such as introduction to environmental enforcement all the way out to report writing how to handle hazardous materials and how to incorporate those amongst other agencies and better communication conflict training at a deal with heart situations and the like that is specifically geared towards environmental enforcement and our items that all of our agents for water quality division as well as for the public health agricultural resource management division which i'm assuming the cannabis would fall under those agents would have to take basic as well as advanced training from these organizations internal i was going to add Dave our head inspector also has had produce safety training from USDA carry and Dave thank you and and tom just for your note it's 250 doesn't look like i i pulled the public participants in the room oh mark i didn't see back there would you would you like to make a public comment or not i'm not i'm just i barely walked in the car i didn't know what the hell you're talking about all right i think i know you i think i have a pretty good idea but i would if i was going to say anything i'd say um act 250 that's yeah we're trying in sustainability people have always been concerned about act 250 we'll talk more about it later all right thank you mark i just wanted to say it doesn't look like we have any any public comments in the room other than mark's quick comment um so we have the next nine minutes to continue this conversation Dave feel free thanks Kyle i just wanted to add one more thing our field agents also do communicate with state police as well as local police departments throughout the towns and county sheriffs you know the agents certainly have a comfort level speaking to law enforcement speaking to environmental enforcement officers over at department of environmental conservation housed under agency of natural resources as well as working with department of motor vehicles enforcement traffic enforcement division and being welcome to board other types of highway going vehicles such as logging trucks and other types of trucks that will be carrying goods at following the jurisdiction of the agency of agriculture so we already do have quite a working relationship with other law enforcement entities which has proven to be very successful and i think rewarding for our staff and i'll try and kick off as many of these as i can the next question is how does they dispose of op amp um that depends we've um it can be remediated we have had folks plough it under vermont log does allow them to sell it to a dispensary mostly if somebody's had a hot field though a field test very hot and by hot i mean five or six percent not just nearly point three they've plowed it under we did have a c dealer in the state that was uh their variety was hotter than they expected and those fields did get plowed under we did observe those plowed under plow owners um or compost um who currently enforces the illicit cannabis market i can carry just to interrupt real quickly uh we do go back out take photographic evidence uh to verify destruction uh and those are saved and uh handled pursuant to our public records retention requirements yep thanks dave i totally am trying to be as thorough but brief as possible here who currently enforces the illicit illicit cannabis market that is the department of public safety but we have had referrals from the department of public safety and we have referred cases back um in some instances they'll call over and the the complaint is against somebody who has a hemp permit and will go out inspect if we get a complaint that somebody's growing hemp and they don't have a permit we will inform the department of public safety to do that inspection and it's worked in in both instances where we've had a hemp hemp growers growing um high thc cannabis and we have had unregistered folks that the department of public safety has come across growing hemp so we've seen any ignorance of that that you can imagine and um we've worked jointly in those cases your other questions other than registration um the board could could license the agency of ad could license um dpr does do some licensing it can be any iteration that the board chooses to dream up i would suggest the path of lease resistance is the way to go in that it may even the software that the board goes with could handle the licensing piece um your question about the board of pharmacy i i don't have a comment or or the department of revenue thank you karen there well you just ran through your whole program and in like five to six minutes gary and dave so i appreciate it i want to i want to give tim ingrid and ashley an opportunity to ask any questions or um for any further information that they might feel like is necessary to talk about um before we we discuss a vote on whether or not the agency of ag and the cannabis control board should look towards a a a memorandum of understanding as it relates to the consumer protection bit of our program helping us with outdoor cultivation and indoor cultivation and and becoming a part of the the enforcement team so um ingrid i see your hand up just a clarifying question about somebody had mentioned earlier in this conversation 600 license holders with a half an acre or less could you just clarify that please yeah those are like those are very broad and carry if i mess this up let me know from a hemp program perspective ingrid i believe that there's around approximately 600 um hemp growers licensed through the agency of agriculture and on average if you look at um their cultivation area as part of their application they're cultivating a half acre or less of hemp that's just a proxy um to help us think about resources how we're off a decimal point there it's five acres or less oh well okay that makes a little bit more sense in my head i swear half Stephanie said half an acre but i could be wrong figure is personal grow okay you can grow so half an acre at under a personal grow a $25 license so ingrid our licenses are tiered um half acre less is a personal grow one to five five to ten and then greater than 50 we do have uh seven growers that are growing more than 50 acres um not it thank you tim anything else on your end no um sorry frankly some of the stuff is definitely above my pay grade so uh outside my wheelhouse as well so yeah and and we we totally understand and appreciate that i guess you know my my overarching thought is do you think you've you've heard enough and have enough confidence in the agency of agriculture's team to to for the board to move in a direction or to suggest that the board move in a direction that we come to some type of agreement with them i guess that's kind of the overarching thought i have here i have a question yeah i i certainly would um if that's looks like the consensus of the group i wouldn't stand in the way because it it feels like uh it's a sensible way to go at this point to make sure before lindsay ashley haven't heard from you much this meeting just just any thoughts or testimonials as as a um a registrant or a license holder with the agency of agriculture i think the way that we've been running the hemp program um most recently with registering lots um been actually on the easier side for us for tracking um we um my company did just update our labels for state of remont's label requirements which i know um stepping in carry i was highly advised by you guys with when going through that um with not only putting our processing license on our processors license number on our label as well linking that to the lots and then linking that to our lab result lab results which we which we don't have to but we publicly post on our website every time we put out a new batch um and that then lists publicly 47 different contaminates and pesticides heavy metals that we test for and so it's a little premature for this conversation but i think i can lend a lot more expertise when it comes to that side of what to be looking for not only just in the thc levels or cpd levels but also what to be testing for um on the pesticides or besides the heavy metal side of things but so far it's been very easy to register report and work with the agency um and the hemp program as it sits now with the state of remont so yes i know we need to digitize this and i definitely think it's important to move towards some sort of larger you know website webhost to preserve all this information so it's easy to access but um as it sits now i feel that the at least on the hemp side the larger producers and brands we're all doing our due diligence and posting our labs publicly and helping consumers make that safe choice which we don't have to do maybe the agency is looking upon that now um and seeing that and therefore we've avoided a lot of inspections and enforcement ourselves but um yeah that's all not any questions mostly comment thanks ashley i appreciate it and and maybe we can turn back to some of your comments when we get back into the seed to sail stuff on thursday but but yeah so lindsay it's 301 i want to be respectful of everybody's time but i want to to capitalize on the consensus it looks like we're building to a vote do you want to ask your question quickly um i just related to they are gonna give you a proposal were they also gonna include um were they considering going out for initial inspections or not prior to maybe there being anything in their bailiwick kary do you want to comment on that quickly do you typically go out and do a site visit before anybody puts plants on the ground for the hemp producers no no okay well i think i will add one thing though as far as soil testing is concerned it really is up to the quality of the producer and the grower to test their soil fire because it saves us all a lot of headache and heartache and money in the long run if then you test your cola and then that flower is full of contaminants so um soil testing isn't recommended necessarily by the state but highly encouraged great and so we go ahead great in order to sort of finish up on i said for hemp producers no but for processors yes um we've worked with processing facilities done prior inspections before they've taken any product and also worked with fire safety um and helped folks get through the process with fire safety when they're developing a processing facility gotcha so we are before that happens great well i think this is all stuff that if this subcommittee thinks that the board should work with the agency of agriculture we can figure out in due time but if everybody feels comfortable right now what i would pose is putting up for a vote that this that the cannabis control board look to work out a memorandum of understanding with the agency of agriculture for outdoor and indoor cultivation inspection compliance into forming um part of the enforcement team that that will be having you know hear through what we have in house and and agency partners so if everybody feels comfortable voting i'd say um all in favor care you might want to abstain since it's your program go tom hi tim hi ingrid hi ashley hi all right all opposed all right the eyes have it and we just chalked our first win feather in a cap for this committee so let's take it as something that we accomplished today and we'll be back at it on thursday okay all right we want to move to a drum tom all right congratulate erin all right thank you thanks everybody thank you