 planting trees to make Hawaii more carbon neutral here today and community matters with one of my favorite people at UH, Camilo Mora. He's a professor of geography and environment or was it environment and geography? What do you do up there anyway? Oh, we do all kinds of things. Basically, we want to make, we try to make the world a better place every day, different ways to get there. Okay, so we made a movie called the spiraling crisis, the alarming convergence of climate change and pandemics. And you were a star in that movie, a star, I say. And this is like to follow up on it because in that movie you said that in order to get into heaven, you have to do good things, good works. And the best work you could think of was planting trees and your plan was to plant a million trees. And I thought that was aspirational, but then I came to find that in fact, you've already started on that pathway and you are in fact planting a million trees. So let's talk about your motivation. What is it about the climate change that drives you this way, Camilo? Well, I think that what drives me is the fact that I had a soul. You know, anyone that has a soul should be concerned about this thing that we're doing to our planet. We're talking about hundreds of species going extinct. You know, like here in Hawaii, for instance, we had 200 species that had less than 200 individuals. Some of the species had only one or two individuals, meaning that if that guy died, the entire species goes extinct. So I don't know where I grew up. You know, it was always don't do to others, but you don't want others to do to you. So those are kind of important guidelines for us to live our lives. So for me, it's kind of choking to see what we do to the planet. You know, and we have been studying that for very long. The science is pure of us. Every single paper that I write about what we're doing to our planet makes me more depressed than the paper before because every single time that we try to investigate these things, we discovered that we are seriously damaging our planet. So with that being said, though, I thought, well, it is time for us to start doing something though. And I don't want President Obama or President Trump or President Biden to fix this problem for us. So I figured, what is gonna be my part? You know, if I go to heaven, just like everybody's gonna go at some point, you're gonna be standing at the doors of heaven. God is gonna ask you, do you deserve to come in? Right? So I always ask myself that, had I done enough in my life to deserve to get in there? And I say, I don't think so. I gotta get my hat together to do something that will make me get in there. And I realized that that was planting trees. You know, planting trees is such a beautiful thing for so many things, for doing the environment, good for the environment, good for the species, good for the soul. I figured, let's just go for it. And we discovered that mathematically, it actually can help to make Hawaii a better place. And all what we will need is to plant a million trees a year. A million trees by 2030 or 2050, we gotta be done every year. And a lot of people think, wow, this guy is crazy. That's never gonna happen. And what I say to people is this, there is a million people in Hawaii. Let's imagine that 90% of them are climate deniers. 90% of them, let's just play with the 10% that care about this. This is 100,000 people. And let's create a protocol, a process in which every one of those people plant 10 trees. It's a job that we had a story takes about two hours to do. That's your million trees right there. So that means that in this weekend, if I didn't have that protocol done, I could plant my million trees every weekend, not every year, every weekend. But we will need this protocol developed in such a way that we will allow any person in Hawaii to go and plant 10 trees whenever they please. And I'm telling you, you will get more than 100,000 people coming every day, every weekend to come and plant these trees. And it's so easy, but unfortunately I need other people with the money to buy into my vision because it's a protocol that needs to be developed. This is what I say to people. This is like making hamburgers in McDonald's. You know, it's amazing that you go to McDonald's and you can get a burger in a minute. It's because there is an entire process to get you that burger there. We need to develop that same process for planting trees so that if you say, I'm gonna go and plant my 10 trees. You just say, and you know what, I don't gotta be too hard. I just wanna be relaxed. Yeah, we have that for you. You just come and stop by our nursery, pick out your 10 trees. Here is where you plant them. By the end of the day, you just got your ticket to go to heaven. Good to go until next year. It's easy, right? It's a beautiful idea. You know, and you mentioned in the film that you can write articles, scholarly articles and news articles about climate change and publish them all over the world, which is what you do. But planting trees is a tangible kind of thing to do. And that's why you have focused on planting trees. And it's really, it's admirable and commendable. And you're gonna get a prize for that. Well, it is interesting because again, when you analyze this thing of planting trees in the standards on the big things in life, you realize that that is actually more significant at times than many other things that we think are more significant. I'm just to make the joke at the end or at the beginning of my presentations, how we had about 70 scientific papers, 12 times we have been in the New York Times and Washington Post, 12 times. Papers that we had done here at the University of Hawaii have been highlighted by the New York Times and Washington Post full time. So I say to people, a lot of people say, wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, New York Times, Washington Post, 10 times, okay, all right. But what I say to people, think about me, the day that I understand it in the front of, in the doors of heaven. And God asking me, do you deserve to come in? And I say, yeah, I made it 12 times to the New York Times. And people kind of love about that, right? Because it kind of makes the point of how we, because there are certain things to be super important, but in the big scheme of things, those things are not important at all. If I go and say, I planted a million trees, it is so hard to plant trees, so, so hard to make it successful that I'm telling you, getting a million trees is a direct ticket to go to heaven because I'm telling you, God will appreciate the difficulty that has going to getting that thing to happen. Camilo, let's talk about how you do it. Let's talk about the protocol, the various phases and how you get there to the point where you have planted a tree. What do you have to do to go down that path? It is a, unfortunately, it is a big process. And one of the things that I always get me fearful of people getting into this is getting into it without using all of the background information that is required for you to make it successfully. So the science that needs to go into this is massive. Let's start with where are you gonna plant the trees, right? So obviously there is some paperwork that you need to sort out with the government and we will need more commitment from the government, but let's just not go there. Let's try to keep the people happy, but that's a complication that you have to deal with, is where are you gonna plant these trees and are you gonna get the permit from the government? At the end of the day, it comes down to the decision of a person. So it's not a big deal. Now, once you identify the place that you need to identify what are the climatic conditions on those places? Are those places that are too dry, too hot, there is enough sun exposure? And the importance of that is that then it will allow you to identify what species to put in there, right? So you can just not go and plant any species anywhere because possibly you might interact using the growing species from the workplace. Now, once you sort that out, it comes to something that I call laziness. And the laziness comes from the fact that there are many species of trees that will succeed in Hawaii. Turns out that 90% of those species are introduced species. All of these species that, most of the species that you see in Onolulu are trees that were not from Hawaii. They were introduced from somewhere else. So I always think, why are we doing that? You know, when we have the capacity to put so much maintenance on those trees, why we don't focus on a species that are native to Hawaii that will require, that will benefit from that is for health. And the reason is just laziness because those species are easy to grow instead of putting some more effort in understanding what local species can be used that will be suitable for us to plan on many of those places. And that's where the science start coming in, right? Like we need to take the entire pool of species to identify what species can be mass produced so that they can be planted on these places. So there you start getting the complexity on this. Okay, now we identify the species. Now, it turns out that many of these species from Hawaii, so millions of years of evolution, they had never had any competition. So it's very hard to germinate the seeds. So we had thousands of seeds. When I started this business, Jay, I was so happy because I was collecting thousands of seeds. So many seeds, I was just like, yeah, this is gonna be a piece of cake to do this. And I went up with all of these seeds to germinate. I only was getting like 1% to 2% germination on these seeds. We took an entire process to identify what are the protocols for us to propagate those native seeds. And that's what you need to have investment in students to do the experiments to find out what are the methods that make these species that are from Hawaii to Germany. Now, the next thing is now with the engineers. And I work with the Department of Mechanical and Electrical Engineering here because once you plan those trees, the reality is that with climate change, the water that the tree will need is there, but it comes in a very short period of time. So now the consequence of climate change is that you get periods of drought that are too long. And unfortunately, they are so long that the tree will not have enough time for them to survive this. So you need to be able to ensure that these trees get water. The way that people do this is by going and watering these by hand. That's ridiculous. It will take me a lifetime to irrigate my million trees. It's not gonna happen. So what we have been trying to do here at US is to develop devices that we can deploy with the tree so that the device will collect rain water and it will deploy the water to the tree. So now I had this cool device. It's just like a dish that I put by my tree. When it rains, the water gets collected in there and the device deploys water slowly. So all of this water that comes in about a week of time, it gets collected by the device and it will give that water to the tree for the entire year. So that way I had not to go there once. All what I gotta do is go and plant my tree, put this device and come back the next year. Rather than me going back 10 times to irrigate, those 10 times I'd rather go and plant 10 trees rather than going back and irrigating the one tree. So that's what I'm saying to you about this complexity to the process that will require us to invest on the development. And whenever I see these massive pushes to go and plant these trees, I just don't see it happening. I'm sure that they will succeed, but I'd rather invest on making this process successful so that rather than me planting a million trees in one year, I can plant a million trees every weekend. Once we sort out the protocol, it's gonna be expensive, but it will make any future planting a piece of cake. How do you get volunteers to come around and actually do the legwork to plant them? Well, it's funny. That's another thing that you will think will be complex, right? Getting people. Jay, I'm telling you, the first time that I did a planting, I did it with my daughter. Actually, all of this idea of planting trees, this is my daughter that came out with this thing. Actually, she's my boss, you know? And I always say that I'm a very supporting father because she's the brain behind this or what I had done is just try to support this thing to get it there. But early on though, when we were planting trees, we decided to plant a thousand trees and we wanted to do it in one day. Thousand trees one day. It was so hard. You cannot imagine how painful, hard that thing was. And the day of the planting came in, it was a Saturday and we were there at six in the morning and the planting was at one PM and nobody was coming in, nobody. And we were just like, shoot, nobody's gonna come to this. And then at one PM, people start coming in and people start coming in and people start coming in. And next thing I know there is an entire mountain full of people on the ground planting the trees. I remember standing back on this thing and looking forward and getting my goosebumps. I had never used drugs in my life, no drugs, but I was so high, so high, looking at all of these people planting these trees that I thought this is probably the closest guess to using drugs because I'm telling you that the degree of excitement, fulfillment that I got, doesn't compare to anything that I had done in my life, getting all of these people there. So there were so many people that came that we ended up planting a thousand trees in an hour. In an hour, we were done by two PM. So we decided to go to 10,000 trees for the following year. And that was in time at heart. And it was one of the hardest things I had done in my whole life, plant those 10,000 trees. And this time I needed to have, we needed to have a lot more people and we went to multiple schools. And the day of the planting, we had this webpage that we were having people register in and the day before there were like 300 people. And the morning of the planting, I went out and opened my webpage just to see how many people log in to do this, 2,000 people, 2,000 people. I showed up to this, we showed up to the planting event and seen 2,000 people, J planting trees. I was just like, this is so doable. Making this thing happen is so easy because that thing that we thought is difficult, which is to get the people to not to be the easiest of things. People is eager to go and do it. Why didn't they come out? Why? Well, I am thinking about that. Now, for instance, with this COVID situation, we haven't been able to do anything. I am bored to death on the weekend. I just don't know what to do on my weekends. So you come and tell me, hey, come and hang out. Try to do something nice for the environment, something that fulfills, something that allows you to hang out with other families, something that allows you to come with your own family to plant these trees. You get families coming in, coming in. So yeah, I think there are hundreds of reasons why people came to this planting event, but what I can tell you for certain was that we did a bare minimum effort to make people to come and we got more than 2,000 people to plant these thousand trees. And we planted 10,000 trees, J, in an hour and a half. In an hour and a half. That's enthusiasm. Things that we think are gonna take us like years to do. Dude, once we get these protocols done, these are things that we can get done just like me, feeling hungry, going to McDonald's and getting a burger in a minute and a half. So you train them. They come around, you train them, you show them how to dig the hole, where to put the tree in the hole, how deep, put the soil on top again. I mean, what do you train them about? That is very good. Actually, one of the things that we do have, I went to the military and that, I actually did it in God a lot. And I think that God makes, he goes through things in life sometimes and you can learn things from those things. And I went to the military and I realized during this process of planting, several things that I learned in the military that I had tried to apply to this issue of planting. And one of the things that I learned in the military that I didn't apply, that we're applying here is this hierarchy. You know, you have the soldiers, the captains and the general. And we had, in my team, we had that infrastructure. So we had a general, we had two generals. Actually, actually we had the president, which is my daughter, I will be classified like a general. But then we had like about seven lieutenants, more like 20 lieutenants. And those are people that we work very closely with. They have been with us for years already planting trees. These are one of the most committed people to their project. They just love to come and they know everything. So what we do with those 20 people is, we all go through this training. We know exactly how to plan the tree. There is a protocol to how to put the plan on the hole so that they're the maximizes the survival of the tree. And then what we do is when people start coming in, they are like, you think about them like soldiers. So we get 20 soldiers, we want all my lieutenants and they go and plant trees. So you get like pelotons of people in groups of 20. And basically what we do is a system in which anytime that there is a piece of information to be delivered from the top to the bottom, the one person send it to the 20 lieutenants and the 20 lieutenants automatically deliver it to 2,000 people at once. Yeah, so the chances are much better that you're gonna come up with sustainable trees that way to be properly planted. Now, you've been very interesting to the press. You've been on all the networks locally and there's a number of clips out there where you explained the system and showed people how it worked and one such clip was part of a, I guess, a series on Hawaii News Now. And we wanna play that, okay? It's about five minutes. We wanna play it. And then when we come back, you'll comment on informing. Now, do you wanna say anything about the production of this particular clip, the one on Hawaii News Now? Well, yeah, I mean, there are a couple of heroes on that production, Anthony and Mike and the two of them were the ones that saw the potential on this thing. And I'm super pleased that they managed to document this process. So a lot of credit to the two of them and I'm sure that it would be a knowledge on the video clip there. Okay, let's play it and then we'll come back and do a retrospective with you. Environmental studies major, so I kinda was aware of it before, but one thing I learned that I didn't know was how much of a plane ride contributes to carbon emissions, so like one plane ride equates to like a whole year of driving. That's why I'm here volunteering and doing this kind of stuff. So as a scientist, I always thought, and as a human being, I always thought that knowledge was enough for us to get us to fix this problem. For many years, what I did was to generate that knowledge with the expectation that people will get to work on it once we're building what to do. Unfortunately that time came and we didn't do anything. What I decided to do is let's start walking the talk. You know, too much talking, not enough doing. This is the opportunity for us to show that we can actually do something. So basically what we're doing is filling these planters with soil so that we can put seeds in them to propagate about 10,000 seeds that Professor Morrow wants to hopefully plant out within the next few months. All what it takes is just to plant 10 trees. 10 trees a year will be enough for you to upset all of the emissions that you produce in the one year. How much is that to us? Our group is from the Garden Club of Honolulu and our commitment to Dr. Morrow is to collect, scarify, and plant 10,000 seedlings, actually 11,000. So I actually been working with Professor Morrow for almost a year now. I was in one of his classes and he's a really motivating guy and you don't find many professors that are actively doing what they're suggesting their students to do. I saw him out there every weekend. They're cutting trees, planting trees. And I was like, man, this guy needs help. So. Our club learned about Dr. Camilla Mora's seed planting program through an NPR story. And we were so inspired by his dedication to getting trees into the ground in Hawaii to combat climate change. And that is something that our Garden Club of Honolulu is familiar with. Cutting all the way down to the ground. I cut it to as far down as I could get. I'm just putting them on the side. Oh, okay. Rather than trying to reduce your daily consumption, which is a lot more difficult, people are able to go in, plant a tree, and hopefully multiple trees. And in that way, you can reduce your impact through carbon sequestration and through that tree itself. I mean, when you realize how simple it is, it's kind of remarkable that we are not doing it. Yeah, it's pretty fun actually. Why is it current, Matt? Because we get to get all dirty. And we know we're doing something good. This is a scarified closed seed. Scarifying means you take the top off of this seed and give it a little extra boost to be able to absorb water and germinate more quickly. Using these planters, which is basically a biodegradable fabric, we can fill these up with the soil later on, put the seed inside, and then once we get a small sapling, you can basically take this whole thing and plant it in the ground at the site that we're working at. This is not a high-level position. I'm an entry-level. She goes through all of them and just count how many have germinated. And from there, we can take again the time that we got the first germination. Come on, look, they're drooping over. You will run out of land in Hawaii in 40 years. 40 years. Obviously, there is no ill-imited amount of land, but we have so much land right now that we start planting trees like crazy. In 40 years' time, you will start running out of land to plant the trees. But that moment, I'm hoping that climate change will not be an issue anymore. And we will have a very nice forest to live in, all right? Something that we can feel proud, you know? Like me with my grandchildren just looking and staring at that forest and saying, we did it. Yeah, I like it. For later on, it's good for us to start getting a sense on when do we stop waiting, you know? Like, if we plant it today, when is the last time that we can say, okay, these plants should be... This isn't gonna make it. Often, it is an insect. It could be even white fly. I'm not sure. I want to show the boys that there are things that they can actively do to help impact our community, either locally, nationally, globally. And I think that living in Hawaii and the islands, the impacts of climate change are so real. And so this is one way we can participate in doing something to combat that. We have great hope that once these go on the ground, they're successful. It will inspire other people to plant more and we'll get to a million. So if this issue of fixing climate change cannot be fixing Hawaii, it cannot be done anywhere. We have everything that you need to fix it. So that is actually a personal challenge for me and I think that for all of the scientists and all of the politicians in Hawaii, it's to show that we can do it. If we cannot do it here, they just go home. They just pack and go home. Because seriously, this is the best place. We have the land, we have the people, we have the knowledge, we don't have the money. We are better off than many other places around the world in terms of money. So why we don't do it? It's a matter of just going and do it. As you see, here we have 10,000 trees right now. Why we don't multiply these by 10? So only one person that is leading this and 100 people that come every weekend is off-cake to multiply that by 10. And then you will get your million trees a year. More trees. Ah, beautiful, beautiful Camilo. It really touches me. So it's an honor to know you honestly. So I have two questions that come out of that, but first your reaction to the movie. Yeah, I get a lot of mixed feelings with that. Obviously, I feel very emotional when I look at that for so many different things. You know, when you had a solution that is so easy and like such a massive problem where everybody now is feeling it. You know, when you look at what's happened in the United States with the wildfires, the floods, the hurricanes, you name it. And a solution that is so reachable, so easy for me just like, wow, I get a flavor in my mouth. I don't know how to explain this. Do you know this thing that's such a simple solution for such a massive problem and it's so doable there? So I get mixed feelings, unfortunately, because again, what I understand now, what is required for us to get that thing done, there are complexities to this. And unfortunately, we're still not focused quite enough to get that process done. And the second thing that gives me a lot of hope, I'm telling you, I keep the press constantly when it comes down to the work that I do, because the work that I do is still depressing, starting how bad is the things that we're doing to our planet. But whenever I see things of thousands now of people willing to be part of the solution is what keeps me driving. You know, like every time that I am in a low emotionally on these things, I realize, you know what? People want this. We gotta do this. Every major challenge in life through the history of humanity have gone through these lows and it's people not giving up. So when I wish people that is watching this managed to see the amount of motivation of people to be part of the solution. For me, that is another emotional thing that lets me always think about the fact that we should not give up. I tried not to give up myself. I get it constantly on this body. Body. So that's another feeling that I get when you ask me what is my take on this video, is that, is the fact that there's just so many people and these create friendships too. You know, like when we talk about as being divided, when you look at the people that come to this plant in advance, we get elderly people, we get young people, we get new age people, we get Muslims, black brands, you need it. Like this is like something that can unify. We can have completely different opinions and different views in the world, but this thing unifies us all. And yeah, I don't know if I... And they changed, they changed, I'm sure, by the experience. When they do this and then they come back, they say, hmm, I just participated in something really important. And now I'm more sensitive to climate change than I was before. I'm a part of the solution. Watch me go. That's right. You know, that's what you do for people. That is, again, it might be in the vision that we have in our projects, precisely to allow individuals to create a social norm around this. It's not about us doing it once a year. It is something that can be done easily once a month. Just think about people, you go to the church every weekend, if you are big into religion, to feel nice, to feel a better person. Well, you know what? This is something that can be an extension of that for everybody, you know? Well, you know one thing I wanted to ask you. You know, you're ambitious and your aspirations to plant a lot of trees in a lot of places, not only in Hawaii. What's the pathway to do that? I'm sure you've thought about it. What are the steps you will take to expand this program, this protocol, outside of Hawaii and to other places on the mainland, and who knows where? We, in business development, there is something that is called rushing a product to market. You know, basically is when you had a product that has all of the potential to be huge, but you just are so eager to get it there that you just make it big and unfortunately fails. An example of that, for instance, is what happened with those batteries from the Samsung 6, you know? The battery wasn't ready and they lost $6 billion when they released a product because it was a product that was not ready for show business. What is called rushing a product to market. So when you get that idea of business into this issue of planting trees, you realize that we need to have a protocol in place that can allow us to streamline the production planting of trees in a way that is successful. And for that, we just don't have that protocol yet. Like I see a lot of people eager to go and plant in these trees and now we have, now to make matters even worse, the motivation that is being generated to plant these trees is making a lot of NGOs everywhere. NGOs and what it's doing is actually diluting the resources that could be potentially allocated into these independent events which are again successful, but it's preventing us of focusing of creating this one protocol that we can then implement to a scale up. You know, like- How about COVID? Is COVID getting in the way? Is COVID, did COVID get in the way last year, this year? It did, but actually again, that's what I think the importance of us having critical thinking when we develop this. So one thing that we did with another organization about the Hawaii Legacy Forest, beautiful organization, they are for profit, so on a stand, but they also had a non-profit side of things and they allow us to plant trees in a ranch that is called Gunstock. They are putting money to actually ensure that the trees get planted that get maintained after we plant them. So we just go and deliver the trees and we plant them and they take care of the rest. But one of the things that we decided to do with the COVID was, you know what? We need to implement as a mechanism to plant these trees in a way that we don't get infected with this COVID. As soon as the city gave us the green light to have groups of 20 people separated, we created a protocol. And basically what we do, we had this field and in these fields, we have rows of trees and we put these plastic lines that divide these things and we ensure that only five people at a time are on a line. So they are never within six feet of each other and we just send 20 people at a time and we managed to plant 1,000 trees per section. Keep in mind, remember that the first time that I told you that it took us almost a year to plant 1,000 trees and it was painful that one first time. Now we plant 1,000 trees in a week and in an hour and there is no planting at all. Because that's how easy it became for us now to get to that level of planting 1,000 trees. And safely for the people involved. One last area I wanna cover and you've been sort of alluding to it is this. If I plant 1,000,000 trees in Hawaii or more and if I plant 1,000,000 trees say in California where they have lost so much of their forests over the wildfires, how does that interact on a global scale with the deforestation that's going on, for example, in South America, in Brazil. And we covered that in the movie we made with you. It's really horrendous when you see the footage of these commercial interests just churning the forest up into mush. And I'm wondering if planting 1,000,000 trees here or on the mainland or other places where you can control it somehow has an effect on the deforestation going on elsewhere. It does. Think about the movement. Movements always start small until they get big. Think about, for instance, the tobacco, right? People were smoking tobacco, getting cancer and some countries decided to put a lot of effort into this thing and now it's kind of a global understanding that if you smoke tobacco, you got a higher chance of getting cancer. The same thing goes with the HIV. The HIV was another thing that started as small and it became such a big movement now that globally everybody knows what the HIV is and you know at the very basic what is the way to prevent the transmission of HIV. So there are these case examples that you can point out on how movements get generated. So we got to do the same thing when it comes down to planting trees. I love the fact that you point out what is happening in the Amazon because the problem is that that is happening here in Hawaii. You know, Jay, that here in Hawaii we caught more than 15,000 trees a year in Hawaii. You take Hawaii, we go and criticize these people in the Amazon and we are cutting 16,000 trees here in the United States, more than 20 million trees in urban areas get caught a year. So we don't really have any more understanding for us to go and say to these people, don't cut the trees, what the hell are you doing? When we are cutting the trees right here. So one of the benefits of planting these trees is the way that we are doing it because keep in mind that a lot of people is planning in doing this thing but the way that we wanna do it is that we want people to do it is to create again this sense of ownership over the environment. When you get that sense of ownership over the environment if I own a house and there is a tree that is older than I am, I'm gonna be thinking why I'm gonna be cutting that tree. That tree has a right to exist. Unfortunately, many of us don't respect that right of that tree. So we need to generate these social norms and unfortunately you gotta start with movements and that's kind of the sweet parts of this project that we are doing is that we are allowing people to create to put a seed of a compassion about the environment. And once we get from here I'm hoping that this thing will spread out around the world just like other movements that have been successful. And I know you'll be there, I know you'll be there and I would like to follow up with you from time to time and see how your initiative and your protocol, how they're working and how you're more and more certain about getting into heaven, you know? Absolutely. I wanna know more about this Camila. So you have a website, can we flash the website on the screen now? What's the name of the website? That is GoCup, there we go. Okay, GoCarbon. Yeah, and this is gonna explain what you're doing and I suppose on this website I can sign up and help you on a given weekend and plant some trees. That's right. So whenever we are ready to, right now, again, we're developing the protocol. I decided that we needed to go back to the drawing board to develop these protocols. We are not ready for show business, you know? Like we did the 10,000 trees and it was fascinating. I love it. I wish I could do every single weekend. But the reality is that I don't wanna plant 10,000 trees a weekend. I wanna plant a million trees a weekend. And for that, we needed to go back to identify what are the bottlenecks on this process. And those are kind of the things that we are working on right now. Unfortunately, nobody wants to invest on this because the recession development is not cheap. But unfortunately, it's what we need if you wanna get there. Well, I hope you post this video on your website because I think it's an absolutely totally worthy investment for, you know, profit and non-profit alike. Dr. Camilo Mora at UH, thank you so much for coming around. We really appreciate talking to you. And more than that, we appreciate what you're doing every day. Thank you. My pleasure, Jay. It's always so nice talking to you. I feel like I feel full of energy already to go and do this thing on Mora again. Me too. I don't know why.