 All right, fantastic. Welcome back. We are still hanging out with us right here on Y in the morning just in case you have no idea. This is the last segment and today being MCM. It's all about Monday and it's all about Manta, but today we are doing it differently. We're talking about how to actually survive in the ghetto streets of Kanairo. Not the ghetto, Kanairo. I don't think if Kanairo is the ghetto, but you can see maybe there are specific places. Ghetto meaning like, hey, there are places where you can survive. No Mumbai. And the conversation today is centered on have you ever gotten scammed? Have you heard of a story or have you gone through it yourself? And what is the worst that possibly happened? And if it happened, yes. Was there money involved? Was it property? And how did you navigate through that? There's always something common about especially persons that are job hunting. I don't know why it usually targets a lot of people who are job hunting. So you're going to tell me on that hashtag, which is why in the morning. And before we get too far, I have two powerful guests in the studio with us today, a lady and a gentleman. But you can interact with us on that hashtag, which is why in the morning as I get their correct names. So on my midi trite, she is Charlene Omondi. She's a communication student from Deicester University. She'll be definitely telling us what's her experience and what's exactly she's all about as well. And then next to her is Ali E.D. Kiboe. Hopefully I've got in that name right. She, he, where? He, she. You must be very careful. He's from Casa. He's going to tell us what that abbreviation means and maybe what he's all about as well. First of all, good morning Charlene and E.D. Good morning. How are you guys feeling? You look tense. I'm feeling good. All right. All right. Good morning to you as well. Good morning to you, Brad. I feel amazing. Thank you for having me this morning. You're welcome. Let me start with you, Charlene, ladies first. You can basically introduce yourself, tell us what you do, what you do at Deicester, are there any other things that we need to know and then we can get to you, E.D. Thank you for having me. You're welcome. My name is Charlene Omondi, a communication student at Deicester University. I'm in my fourth year and my major is corporate communication and marketing. So what I basically do in school is obviously studying and I'm so much involved in leadership. So I've taken several leadership positions in school because I have a passion in such things. Yeah. So I'm, I'm one person who's always like determined to, to focus on the welfare of students and people around me. Yeah. So that's basically all about me. All right. What about you, E.D.? So my name is Ile Edikibwe. I am a student from the Cooperative University of Kenya doing business formation technology under the year 2.2. But of course I'm also a leader under the current association that is the secretary general. But of course also I am the national chair of all Muslim university students, male and female. But of course I'm also under the umbrella of student leadership nationally and of course I'm also a youth leader, an advocate for economical youth empowerment and inclusion in political parties and governance and leadership. Those are a lot of titles, bro. I don't even balance them. So like those are a lot of careers in one. Yeah. I mean, you know, the passion in leadership and having been able to, having been growing from a very high background here in Kumukunji, you know, I've sort of like a lot of challenges in where I'm coming from. And of course they urge to be able to lead a lot of youth and like-minded students who are coming from vulnerable families. That's how it's actually pushed me to be able to, to, to find a passion in leadership so that we can be able to change the dynamics and create opportunities for all of us and for the better mentor of this future. That's, that's my passion. That's why a lot of my entitles and my colleagues are really focused in their leadership space. All right. And I love that both of you guys are like leaders and communications in the Nisham, one-on-one, from Martin Luther King, Jr., and the rest. Anyways, let's get back to the topic at hand. Still on that leadership note, you know, as you're leading people, people are going through experiences in life. And I love the fact that today's topic talks about, you know, people losing property, being scammed in enemy from our university perspective or students' perspective. Are there maybe possible stories that you guys have had of a friend telling you, you know, they're saying, you know, the number is, in fact, the number does not even exist, but at first it can exist. I can start with you, Shalene. I can say that I've been scammed in such ways, but I've been coined in turn with this method of someone dropping an envelope. So that was my first time getting scammed. And it was really, it gave me trauma, something like that. Yeah. So I was basically just working around town, going to get my glasses and going to do a few shopping for myself. So I was working and this man bumped into me and I saw that he dropped something. So I ignored him and I continued working. So it was behind Ambassador Dania, Chicken Inn. So as I was working, I was like, oh, I'm so hungry. Let me go to Chicken Inn and see if I can get something to it. So I didn't know that this man was following me. Occasionally. Yeah. Yeah. So he kept saying, you look like a nice person. So I really want to share this money with you. So I just ignored him and I continued working. So I went, I found a really long line at Chicken Inn and I was like, I can't stand this. I'm in a hurry. So let me go to the taskees. The one which was closed. Yeah. Okay. So then there was this security woman. She kept telling me, I remember saying, they were saying they were back too. From the queue you were at Chicken Inn. Yeah. So today I usually tell myself, maybe that was good telling me because if I had, if I had listened to that woman, yeah, I wouldn't have been caught. So I left there and I kept saying, maybe Cezibangaline. Yeah. So as I was just working, this man came again and he was like, found this envelope and I want us to share the money. So it was these envelopes with the transparent thing so you can see money inside. He even removed our receipt from the bank and he was like, was it like a bunch of nuts? Yeah. Yeah. Like if you see it, it's like thousands. Yeah, a bundle. Yeah. Okay. But the money that was up there, it was a hundred shillings. So I assumed that they were just bundles of a hundred shillings. So he removed the receipt and he was like, it seems like someone was from the bank to collect money around 70,000 shillings and he dropped it. And I was just walking and I saw that you looked like a calm person, a nice person and I wanted to share the money with you. Yeah. So he opened it, he showed me and you know, it was around 2021, 2020. I was still naive. I had just joined university and I was still finding my way through town. Right. So I gave in. You accepted the offer? Yeah. I was even planning the things I'm going to buy because at that time people were having these trendy shoes you want to buy them but you can't afford. So he said, you'll take 20,000 and I'll take 50,000 and I was like, that's a good deal. 20,000 is the economy, I'm going to take it. So he told me, go to Tuskees to the section where they are clothed and going to the changing rooms and divide the money. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Well, before this conversation escalated to that, what point where were you standing while these things were being exchanged? We were, you know, before you crossed the road to Tuskees, just in the middle there, yeah, just behind. There's like a crossover from towards archives and then back to like, is it Moyan Avenue? No, not that side. No, this other side. All right. Behind archives. I don't know how to explain it. I'm not good with directions. Okay. Yeah. So it was just like standing now. Yeah. Yeah. We were just standing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he told me, okay. So I told him, okay, let's go. So we crossed the road and we were outside Tuskees. And then he changed his mind. He was like, no, don't go there because there are CCTV cameras. So I was like, oh, this person sounds so genuine. And one thing I noticed, he was so fluent. Like, he sounded like someone who's literate. He has gone to school. He really had nice English, like who I mean, he's a scammer. Yeah. And he was nicely dressed. Yeah. Like suit and tie or just casual. Just casual. But he was neat. Okay. So I was like, this person can't scam me. Yeah. So I took the envelope and he told me, before you take this envelope, you need to give me something because I don't trust you. We've just met. Wow. Again, like from him giving you the money to know you're giving him something. Yeah. So it's like, it's like, he's risking. So I told him, what should I leave you with? He said, your bag or anything. And then I was supposed to meet a friend and he called me and I told him, I'm already in town. I'll call you back. And then this man tells me, even switch your phone and give it to me. Are you sure this girl's not using some sort of powers or something? I don't understand because there's a point where I was resisting. I was telling myself, no, this can't be real. And then something just made me like give. I've given real fast. And your mind, your conscience, it can dig in. Yeah. I was just okay. Yeah. So something told me, no, don't give in. Then something tells me, 20,000, that's a good money. And when someone tells you, you seem like a nice person because people tell me that I look like a nice person. This person must be genuine. And you fell for it? I fell for it. So I gave him my wallet. It had made school ID and made national ID and 5,000 shillings. So this, this way he was like, I'll call my wallet like in the middle of the road. But this person is just like an affengua, my wallet. And everybody's passing on the streets looking at your face. Are you just standing there? Yeah. And it's like, maybe these people know that I'm being coined, but they can't tell me. Are your friends and people just assume that, you know, could be a boyfriend, a cousin, brother or something? No. He was older than, he was like 30 something. Right. You couldn't even tell. I couldn't even tell. Yeah. Okay. So he, he, like, you could see how much he wanted that money. It's like he was so desperate. You couldn't jump on him and be like, stop, you know, you can't do that to a man. No, I just looked at him and I don't know what happened to me that time. So he just took the wallet and he was like, he even gave me 10 shillings to go to the public toilet. So he told me, don't, don't go to Tuskies, go to the public toilet and you can divide the money. While he still has your belongings. Yeah. So I told him, I can't give you my phone because there's someone I'm waiting to, to receive a call from. So he told me, okay. So I just gave him the wallet and I remained with my bag and my, my phone. So I ran to the public toilet, I gave the money. So when I entered the toilet, I'm opening the bag, the envelope. Oh my God. There were just a pile of newspapers. Like they've been folded so many times to make the envelope heavy. Yeah. So I got out and I was like, Shalini, you have things come. How? How? You know, at that point you're wondering, should I laugh? Should I cry? You don't know what to do. Then I got out and I was like, maybe I'll see him running. I didn't see him. So he started telling God, at least even if he's gone with my money, I can't drop my ideas. Nothing. Now that's when I started, you know this meme that says, my girlfriend's eyes after they've seen my text. It's like you're operating in spirit and the rest are in body. Yeah. So I'm just working. I don't know what to do. I don't have money in my purse. So you're stuck now. Yeah, I'm stuck. I go and sit beside a store and this random guy just comes and he sees the envelope and he's like, oh, where went your little miss? And he laughs. Then I'm like, who are these guys who are in cahoots? No, no, he was just a random person in that shop. So he was like telling me it's something that usually happens in that area. It's like they know it, but they couldn't tell you. Yeah. Yeah. But did you feel betrayed? Like you'd have jumped on him and slapped him or something. No, because he started not telling mysteries about how especially females, they get scammed by these people. Even people give out their laptops, their phones. Some of them even run mad in the middle of the streets. Like you can be scammed so bad, you just start screaming. And that gives such a smooth operator because I can only imagine the force this guy had on your mind and your body and your spirit immediately and the Congolese started submitting to his orders, like take this envelope, give me your as in I'm stuck at where he told you, now give me your handbag. The small pass you had with 5,000 and with your IDs. Did he intentionally say eboni party? No, he just said, I can't trust you and this is a lot of money. So you need to leave me with something so that I know you'll come back. Or at that point you had already given you the envelope. So you're the one holding it. So you're like 20 Gs, my goodness. I'm elevating. So we look in that mindset. But then I'm still also wondering who was running through your mind. Like I did this stranger you just met. I'm the concept of water, sauna. There's those people who are extremely sensitive on the streets. I do it in my new market, I change like me. Like I'm really watching anyone who's walking beside me. I have to change to be honest or let me just pose or pick a phone call or something. Because that was strange. And you're never scared. You never felt something that was off with this guy? I don't know if they use something on people. I don't understand. Later on, did you like come to your senses and be like goodness? There's probably something I was hypnotized and something took over me and now the soba me is going crazy. The moment I saw the newspapers, I was like, oh my God. Because there was a time I wanted to take my wallet back, but I don't know what happened. I just left it with him. So I really don't understand how these people operate. Right. That must have been juju. I believe so. Let me just believe so. Did you suspect something fishy? Like this was not normal. You felt like that. I'm so sorry. So sorry. So sorry. What about you, Edie? What's your worst that ever happened? The worst is not actually that particular case never happened to me or our school directly. But of course, in line of in the student leadership space, we came to realize whereby one of an institution was registered under a college and they were trying to offer international placement program whereby students can be able to go abroad in their respective choices of country and the choices of institution to go and further their education. Now, when this particular program was all out, a lot of marketing was done and a lot of comrades that are students and parents really got on board on that particular initiative and they saw it fit because how good for students to be able to go outside where they so believe is greener pasture and a lot of opportunities to go outside though. A lot of parents nearly got into the initiative and they started signing up for that particular program and one case of if I can remember vividly, they were paying 450,000 KHLX for visa for the institutional registration and of course for the flight also an accommodation of the students. Which country was it? The UK? No, it was the application for any choice of university in any country. So the college was offering, apparently they say they have a good international relation with the foreign government and foreign institution of learning and they know the country, the governments of outside people, you know for example when you go to study in India, there must be a good relationship because if an institution is offering in placement services abroad then there is that cultural relationship that they had. So parents bought that idea and they were actually charging 450,000 for visa registration of in that particular university and accommodation and also a ticket here, absolutely. So almost 100,000 students who are signed up for that particular initiative and parents were brought in for orientation also in that particular university around here in CBD which was registered and they started paying, parents started also looking for loans because you know they perceive that outside there there's good education, there's good greener pasture when you're child going there and the targets for these people are targeting those students who are not, who never performed brilliantly in the Kenya certificate of secondary education. So a lot of parents nearly took loans, a lot of parents invested their income to this particular program but unfortunately after a thousand students have signed up and registered for that, when they were bringing in the application of reforms in this institution, the inner staff saw that there's nothing going on, the director of that particular college was not even processing this particular visa and of course accommodation and and school that is abroad. So after sometimes parents started raising complaints about we have paid this money and it's a lot of money and why are we not hearing anything about this particular scholarship from outside abroad or another way when our students going, where the visas and of course the director with this scheme also published fake visas and they gave to their students who have applied and of course some parents also, when they were starting out to realize this is not a legitimate or a genuine thing, they were wondering how can we be issued visas and our students, our children are not being called to embassies to be able to be interviewed. So in the long run after a month or two they went and they went to the institution only to find out that the so-called college has been evicted and it's no longer anymore. So they had to go to the police station to report and of course when there's a police division unit that is concerned about identity theft and scum unit they realized almost 180 million shillings have been lost due to this scheme and this particular the person who was the director of that particular institution is nowhere to be seen and I can tell you for a fact that that case still up to now it is still exactly that case has not been finalized and parents and students have gone into devastation in terms of emotional trauma and a lot of money, parents are left to pay loans and then there's no specifically answers for that. So basically it's a very devastating scenario that we never had to experience personally or our institution but that's one of the many cases that we as students and of course our student leaders get to hear that happens within our university and institution around the other country. I feel like that's a serious one and if this one involves parents and our students and even some leaders as well. Then at some point I think there was an inquiry task force absolutely they did and then they were questioning the person who was facilitating that air travel and the rest of the ticketing. Absolutely. Have they promised to like settle the people who affected? I mean you know it's an on and off going battle between the person and the sort of course and also the inquiry committee that was judged to be able to investigate that particular scenario they have not released any substantial statement to also sort of like please or comfort the parents of course. Like what I've said the case is still under the investigation and the investigation are concluded so we are hoping in the near future that justice and and and of course will be served to these students and of course compensation completely will be will be given. All right that's a that's a serious one. Do you have a ghetto one? Yeah that's the serious one. If I can if I can bring it home to a ghetto one is that you know a lot of comrades in our institutions is particularly me if I can give a honest case is that one time I was in school and I was studying at home during the time of COVID-19 and I remember this particular time whereby you cannot be able to go outside during there was a lot of social distancing and awful restriction and the COVID-19 protocol and measures whereby I had an faulty of electricity in our area of building and unfortunately because of the desperation and the ongoing of school programs we had to look for a technician because where we sit there's no any electrical technician so we had to be able to call but of course after after waiting for call we decided one of our guys decided to opt to text the the Kenya Power Supplying Company via Twitter so he he texted them yeah they responded they called and I'm actually and when they called they acted as if they were employees of the KPLC or agents or agents of the KPLC so they decided they because we were in the same room when they said we were roommates and then I told him to put it on our speaker and then the person decided to take us through and they said of course I've seen your pay but of course they have a meter problem it's ready to tell us to input numbers and interface to through our pay bill and and PESA transaction mode so as soon as he was doing that he used to give us zero zeroes numbers and then other numbers so while we are doing that we were also you know sometimes when you send money you do zero seven but you know when somebody starts with zero zero seven until four times you cannot realize if you're sending money to anybody so we do zero zero and then we do zero seven and then the rest of the numbers to ten so that we can so while we were sending it we realized that we are sending money to a certain lady called Halima Gocho so I yeah Kenyan so I told my friend why are you sending money we deleted and then we deleted like a pay bill yeah pay bill is a very much rather selfish in fact they give you the pay bill of a KPLC so on that particular process then we disconnected the phone because we realized we're sending somebody and then he called again so calling again he said why have you cancelled the transaction? we have seen we are sending somebody money that is not KPLC I said no problem apology let me let's go through the whole process again and then we started again then we started again he told us to go to the input of keyboard and then type a certain number and then we set a certain number it's like also we're sending money to have a sudden back account number you know so it was very tricky back and forth and until that I realized that you know these people are really trying to scam us so due to our softiveness we disconnected the phone call and we reported the the incident to the to our service line so far and then they were able to be able to take that particular case on board but of course I've never had in any case of me being called or rather I have never have been in through an incident so maybe in town like my panel panelist sounds really normal but at the same time very strange I feel like so many people have gone through like your incident I can only imagine now like how many let's say for example if you're new to Nairobi you've just arrived from the city capital Nairobi from Ushago and then you meet somebody at the bus station they'll be like I can only imagine how many people per day like go through a similar incident like yours now still on that note what do you think makes especially young ladies or just let's say young people to be targets of some of these cornerities is it because the way you are dressed am I because of lack of confidence or you look lost you know sometimes there's people by the in town they look lost in a shanghai and there's also people who are running they're walking very fast and those people who are always cautious like me there's one time with my co-host and I'm like this this guy is looking at you it was a lady actually she was looking at her for a very long time like no step this this person is looking at you for like 10 minutes just staring at you you don't know her what could possibly be wrong with her and then they picked up a phone come back you know they're planning to do something so for me I'm always cautious I talk in English son I'm like no bro no I'm just like cautious extra cautious because you know crazy things can happen to you in the street on that note what do you think makes people to be vulnerable especially on the streets especially right here in Kanairo I think they usually look at how you're dressed it's just the same thing you can go to maybe a marketplace like Gekomba and then they judge you by the way you you're dressed so that's how that is what you determine yeah the price so for example if you guys go like this you can negotiate but it won't be as low as someone who'll go like dressed otherwise so you show the perfect price wow so the way you addressed yeah really matters a lot yeah what did I think do you think matters before these people target you I think because we are young and most of us especially in Gen Z we are so desperate to get money and to get rich at a young age so progressing life yeah yeah so I think when someone just mentions this certain number of cash that they want to give you they assume that you'll just give in because you want money you want to live a lavish life like other people it's just the same thing like forex it's just that he enough and you're in a teenage way so yeah there's like a unofficial way of like doing it yeah so that you don't get scammed not unofficial but forex trading are you meant forex trading yeah yeah I mean forex trading because we've really had some good professionals so forex trading who actually took us to the process other than in Gen Z you're too much to manage 10k and that somebody trades for you what do you think makes young people to be vulnerable in the state I'm just a normal picture picture picture a picture of Sanato coffee what could possibly attract this person towards that person like I want to agree with my fellow panellists that are target from a tranquil profile vulnerabilityіль so for suspect also for us also of gender i because somebody can look at our our female friends and our female sisters and then think that they are not aggressive or that they are so much submissive in courts whereby they can be able to control them and they can be able to suppress them into giving in to what they demand. But of course, another thing I think, it is also, we fall victim to these people because of also the high cost of living. When somebody shows you a lot of money, you think about your problem, the million problems that you're going through. Maybe you're not taking breakfast, maybe. Or you're a leperant. Yeah, maybe you're a leperant. 20K is a lot. Yeah, exactly. Maybe you're a leperant. Maybe you have that school fees to pay. Maybe you have that family that you want to support. So also that tends to be able, high cost of living tends to be able to lower us to these people. But of course also, also the way we, our persona, the way we dress also, like I want to also agree with that because when somebody looks at me, you know, with a suit and a tie, somebody may think, this guy is working. You've got some shmarn. Yeah, exactly. You know, I have some money in my pocket. Maybe you have a fendrel. Maybe I have even nothing. In your life, you have a crisis. Exactly. Maybe I thought you'd make up a fair and you'd end up having a banana. So I think those are some of the things that we make us vulnerable to these people. And of course also, they also, one key factor also, they need to be assertive. Sometimes you're not assertive enough. You're not a lot when we're working in the street. So, somebody that sees you walking blightly, maybe you're not focused and straightforward. You can be able to bounce you and then it's a two, three minutes operation. And then when you realize that you have been scum to your senses, you've lost everything. The guy is long gone. Yeah. And what about, what are these people who approach you in our salams? They be like, hey, Nyadze, bruh, they're Nyadze's sister. Like, I think it's some point I almost gave in, like, handshakes are panna by the way. There are streets and listeners, Joanna. Like, somebody approaching you boldly and confidently and I could just shake hands in a way. Like, Nyadze. Yeah. So after I shake hands, you feel confused and it happens to you the Shaleen way. Yeah. I think even. Do you avoid shaking hands with people or just responding to careless salams, Nyadze, Nyadze, Nyadze. I must somebody signals you from, like, my avenue, Nyadze's sister, but they tell me you're walking down towards the senior stage. You're already conversing, you're exchanging contacts, you're even planning for a meetup. Exactly. So I think that is what I say that is what you call target profiling. You know, when somebody comes to you and greets you and of course all of those people, I don't mean to use this word, but also people who also beg within the street. Some of them, they are... I'm not genuine. I'm not genuine. They are not the little people. So when they come to you and tell you, oh, uncle, I've not taken breakfast, can you give me 50 shillings? And then generally when you give them money, so they like see what you have, they are profiling you. So what do you have? And then when you give them that particular five shillings or that 50 shillings, you walk away. And unfortunately I've come to realize that these people don't operate alone. This person may come to you and tell you, uncle, I've not taken some breakfast in the morning, I'm gonna ask you and then you give them 50 shillings. Kumbhe, there's somebody else watching you just across the road. So at the end of the day to know that if you have money or if you don't have money. So this is what the target profiling looks like. And of course I don't really, like what you've said, I don't really engage people who are in the streets. I don't know. I don't check people, especially with the confidential protocol. I just try to be with me and me, keep my things safe. In fact, my phone is always in my coat, my finger coat. And I discourage also giving money. Hundreds of streets. I'm a Christian to the lunch. But now people are in form of groups. When I'm with my brother, they are really what I do. Maybe it's on the English side, maybe it's on the English side, maybe it's on the English side. I think at some point it happened to me when I was in Tunning, somewhere else. And I had a laptop and everything on my backpack. But thank God I never lost any. Like we're on a conglacier, do-go traffic in Akuja. This one blocks you, this one starts to pick pockets you. At the end of the day, they end up like living you with nothing. I don't know if you've met such, Sheldon. Somebody like two, three people talking to you at the same time on the street. That one was like, it was like once in a blue moon, you would land to your lesser. Are you extra cautious now? Like when you walk on the street, are you like watching people's faces? Even a person coming, approaching you from the front and even at the back left, right? It's actually weird because a week after, someone else tried to use another trick to cone you. To cone you, yeah. Still in the streets. Yeah. How did this happen, this one? Second one. I hope you called 9-11 this time round. This one was so funny, actually. This man just approached me and he was like, some Adam, I'm from, I don't know if it was Kaka Megha, somewhere in Western. Accent here, Louis, or something like that. Ati, I'm ashamed of a lot or something like that. And I'm here to pick my money from a cooperative bank. You know where it is. And literally, you can see the bank from where we are standing. So I'm telling him, really, Pali, you can just go. And he tells me, no, there are people who are following me. They want to snatch the, they want to take the ticket from me so that they can go and take the money. So I'm like, I don't know if I can help you because there was a security guard next to us. So I told him, you can just go and ask him. And he said, no, I don't want to go there. I don't, like, so many excuses. So he was like, please help me. I'll divide the money. Just the same thing that I want to say. Oh my goodness. Yeah, I'll divide the money. Did you give it a second thought? Were you like, no, you are taking me to hell and I was there and I will not let you stand round. Are you like conversation done? No, I said, you continued with the conversation. I have to say today, yeah. What is over you? I don't like you being like, nope, we can't. In fact, we are not talking about it. But you know, when you stayed there, when I learned the new tricks so that you won your friends or something like that. So he tells me. So you gave it a chance? Yeah, I'm going to divide the money and stuff like that. And then I was like, okay. Then he called someone from the bank and I'm telling you, if you had that voice, like it's someone, the English was so perfect. They tell him like, hi and welcome to the counter. Are you ready for this service? Or something like that? No, it was not from my teller. It was just someone from the office. Like a bank manager. Office. Yeah, and he was a young person. So he was talking so fluently like, how and get corner any suspicions. So he called and he's like, hi, could you help this man? He needs to take his money, but there are people following him. Yeah, at this point, how is this communication to you? You've been given the phone now, you're hearing him, he's the one holding the phone and on loudspeaker. I'm the one talking with the phone, with his phone. Oh my goodness. And then he's like, did he tell you that he's going to divide the money? Then I said, yeah. Then he was like, come to cooperative, second floor, room number two and get the money. Which avenue was this in town? Sam Street? No, no, it was not the same street. Around Kenyan cinema or something. Kenyan cinema plaza, you said it in Anganish on Okanda, Saudi Arabia, in a tragedy, Odion, is it not Odion? There's another, there's Kencom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was those sides. So he tells me to go and pick the money from a specific room and something and something. And then I was like, okay, I'll help him. And then this man is like, I can't tell you, hey, you're going to enjoy the money and stuff like that. And then he gets even more weird. He asks me, do you have a bank account? I told him, no. At the, are you in school? Then I told him I'm in university. Then I don't know. He started lecturing me. How can a university student not have a bank account? And then I'm like, come on, ma'am, I need a job. Like you are lecturing me because I don't have a bank account. In fact, I've not even requested for you, for your help. Yes. And then he's like, okay, then. At this point, you're just silent. Listen, I'm taking notes. Yeah, I'm just listening, yeah. And then he's like, okay, you know, because I can't trust you, leave me with your ID. Yeah, with your ID. Or your wallet. And then I told him, what do you want to do with my ID? I said, no, let's go. No, he asked me first, how much do you have in your M-Pesa? I told him. Did you respond? Yeah, I told him, I have around 2,500, but it's for something else. Then he tells me, let's go to the M-Pesa and then you withdraw the money and you give it to me so that I hold it as you go and take my money from the bank. At this point, I was getting tired and I was like the same old trick. So I just told him, I can't help you at this point. You just go and take your money. I can't live with my ID. And then he started begging, I came madame, I came in here. So I just left him there. He couldn't like, like Flapped said, I'm calling the DCI. Or I have an uncle who's just behind here. He's a policeman. In fact, he's a traffic police officer. Let him help you. He's a very good man. This traffic police officer is my brother and he's excited to react. No, the security guard had left, so... So it was just you and him? Yeah. So you just left him there, yeah. He left me alone. I hope, I hope, I hope you come and get one of the power, the funds to win hard. Definitely, I hope, I hope, I hope. And why is it like these people keep on now targeting you? Is it because maybe your personality attracts them? Or is this a normal thing? You know, when people look kind and well put together, you're just a victim of someone on the street, you know? I think it's something like that. Because before he even started talking, he started like giving me appraisals. Oh, you look so kind. Oh, you know, all those nice things. And then you're like, oh, maybe I'm an angel sent from God to help people. But now, still on that note, let's imagine now, just a normal person, you're randomly walking on the street, you're going to walk. And busy in your mind, thinking about work or whatever you're going to do. And a person just pops out of the streets and boom, they'll be like, hi, can you help me go pick money? I'm like, why me? Why should I be your assistant bank manager just sort of out of the blues on Monday? Have you ever asked yourself that? Yeah, of course, I've asked myself several times. Like, why is it always me? Like, should I be wearing a mask to town so that people don't look at my face and assume that I'm nice or something? Or should I work? Come and you make jam or something like that. Okay, change your bag and, you know. Because I also see people who work, like they want to fight. Yeah. I do as a mongrel. And the friend who says, like he keeps eye contact with every person and helps him and I'm like, bro, are you ready for the bad things in this too? Like keeping eye contact with every person approaching you. For me, I can't, to be honest. Because when I say I'm too, you just don't know, man. You just don't know. So when you told your friends the story, what did they tell you this time around? Or they're like, no, we need to teach you a lesson. Yeah, actually sometimes. I mean, we need to pray for you or something. Sometimes it's usually embarrassing to tell people these stories. For example, the first story, I've never told anyone in my family about it because they'll just say, you're stupid. You're stupid. But they don't know, like, like how do I take you far away? Yeah, when you're offered that amount of money, you don't have to go to jail. So I usually avoid telling people such stories because they'll ask you what you want. They'll jump. They'll jump. They'll be like, oh, you are dumb as hell. But at the same time, you're just a vulnerable, just a victim. Yeah. All right. And one of these ones who approached people with, uh, not that I could see him, uh, on the iPhone 11 Pro Max, number 13, number 14. And I was like, oh, you can go to him now, 5K. And you and your iPhone, and I'm sure he'll see me. At the moment when I'm in my house, I'm taking something. I said, I don't know what, what, what gets into people's minds. I don't want to buy things that are on the street. Only when I'm in my house, I'll be like, I'll pay for it. You know? I'll pay for it. You know? Honestly, I don't know. What do you think? I mean, I remember also a case, uh, this is my brother's case, eh? Uh, my brother went to, was going to CBD, was going after work, was coming out of CBD. Now, the certain case of phone, a certain guy approached him with a phone, uh, with an symphonic something. I don't know, he's a hot-nose about to buy a big phone. And then he told him, I don't know, but I recognize him. I want to tell it to you. You know, that phone goes for almost 30,000. And then this guy's offering it to you with 8,000. So the deal was very convincing. And then when he gives you the phone, you're like, what you've said, you know, when you click the phone, when you check it, the features, it's a very good phone brand. But of course, they'll tell you, let me go and package it for you now, you know? They go and then they package, they normally operate. And my brother, when he was telling me, it was actually with an EMPESA. So they go with an EMPESA. So they're always near a bank? Somewhere, yeah. Where they operate. They don't operate alone. Smokey, scary. Yeah, they don't operate alone. So they went and then they packaged the phone. And then when my brother was given, now the phone was also heavy, and I was like, poor, poor. My brother gave him, sent them through EMPESA, the money. So my brother, when he went on, when you were, you know, when you were in Seoul, something in the Zipad, and then he came home. When he came home, my friend, he really, I don't know what to give him. The phone is a replica of the phone. But it's not on, definitely. So when he opened it, it was glued all over. The frame and the screen was glued. So apparently, the heaviness of that particular phone, you know, phone have certain weight to fill with that phone. So my brother, Coins. Machine link is a major upon Danny. So apparently, he tried going to EMPESA, trying, reversing that money. But unfortunately, it was not. It was not reversible. And we didn't manage to reverse that particular money. But of course, I followed a victim of phones over that particular corner and scum. Because I think also one factor that tend to lead a lot of us and youth in buying cheap things is that we like cheap things. We like easy shortcut for success. So of course, cost 30,000. But of course, somebody's offering it to you with 8,000. And then you think otherwise. So I'll leave. As your wife and I will tell her. Yeah. And cheap is expensive. Absolutely. All right, I'm being told time is up, guys. I feel like we need a session of just listening. Like, there are so many formats of people, of how people get condensed, come in Nairobi. There's even those who come to you in the name of prayer. Like, you know, Godamanyambea, Sidhu. I think we can talk about that in the next episode of MCM. Hopefully, you guys will be back. But before we go, definitely you can share social media platforms. I feel like we were just getting started listening to these juicy stories. So you can share your social media platforms and where people can get you, how large you. If you want to say hi to a friend, just less than a minute. And then you can do as well. Yeah, that's your camera. You can follow me on Instagram, at shall underscore. And I'd like to say hi to my fellow comrades in this university. Yeah. You're right. Thank you. My name is Ali Edi. You can follow me on social media and all digital platforms. My social media handle is Trafix Ali. Trafix Ali on all social media. And I want to say hi to Chairman Kuso and of course all of the leaders and of course also my dad who is watching. Thank you. All right. And happy Father's Day. Happy Father's Day to you, Dad. All right. Happy Father's Day to your dad too, as well. You didn't say a message to him. All right. All right. Thank you guys for coming through. Shelly Lomondi, Communication Student at Daystar. Ali Edi from CASA. Secretary General, thank you so much for your time, guys. Thank you. All right. And we end it here. Thank you so much for keeping us company. 2244 Channel on the gram, Facebook and everywhere else. And mine is a brand-so-quant one on that hashtag which is still why in the morning. Definitely we see you tomorrow, Ali, in the morning for Entrepreneurship Tuesday, including Health Tuesday as well. In the meantime, have a fantastic Monday.