 Welcome everyone to the December Ward 5 NPA steering committee meeting. My name is Jason van Draysch. I'm one of the members of the steering committee. You take a moment for the other steering committee members to introduce themselves and then we'll jump in. Hi, I'm Laina Greenberg. They then pronounce glad to be here. I live on Maple Street, the north end of Ward 5. North end of the South. My name is Terry Rivers. I live on Lucas Terrace and I'm a member of the steering committee. Nice to see you. Hi, I'm Joe Derry. I live on Berguson Ave. I'm also a member of this body in the steering. I'm Fareed, I'm 44, I live near Spring. Also on the steering committee. All right. So this is our last meeting of the year. It is, as we expected, fairly lightly attended because people are running in all different directions. So big thank you to everyone who is here. It's nice to see folks in person and online. For the couple of folks who are online, my condolences, you don't get to have the yummy food, but that's always here. So please come in person any time you can or on Zoom, if not. Quick rundown of the guiding principles for the Ward 5 NPA. First, this is a safe space in the sense that it's welcoming to everyone who wants to come and be part of a conversation about neighborhood issues. It's accessible. We do everything we can to reduce barriers to participation and invite any thoughts or feedback from anyone about how we can make it more accessible. And we do our best to engage with a broad cross-section of community members and talk about issues that matter to the South End. Third, we always aim for a respectful discussion, respect of cultural and economic differences, and also have diverse perspectives, knowing that even though we all live in the South End, we don't necessarily agree on everything and we come here to learn from each other's perspectives. Fourth is that we really strive to be a vital resource. We want to be relevant, creative, fun. So we mix it up a lot with activities. We had an event at Callahan Park in the summer, and we're always interested in trying new things to help neighbors come together and discuss neighborhood issues. And finally, we're nonpartisan. We don't endorse political candidates. And one more thing I'll say is that the Steering Committee exists in service to the NPA, but the NPA is, in fact, any is it resident or registered voter? Resident, thank you, of the South End, who shows up at an NPA meeting, whether in person or virtual. So if you are here, you are, by definition, the NPA. And the Steering Committee's job is to help make these meetings go well. All right, we already introduced the Steering Committee members. We have one member who's not here today, Roger Brassard, who lives on Ferguson. Lyman, thank you. Our websites are up here. The NPA has its own website, and then official type stuff goes on the NPA five page of the city's website. Fosca is our liaison and does all kinds of things to help all the NPAs keep cranking. CCTV is always here and you can see these meetings after the fact via CCTV or CCTV's YouTube channel. And Charlie is our faithful videographer to make sure that all of us are seen and heard by anybody who wants to see and hear. Finally, there's an email address there, award five NPA underscore BTV at Google groups.com. That email address automatically goes to all the Steering Committee members. So if you have anything you'd like to get on the agenda for an upcoming meeting or if you have a question or an idea, just send an email to that email address and it will go to all of us. Couple of items for the Zoom webinar. You all are in participant mode, which means you can't unmute yourself unless you are invited to do so. And what you do if you want to say something is just hit the raise hand button as shown on the screen here. And then when when it's your turn to speak, you'll your name will be called and then you'll be able to unmute and start your video. And given there's there's very few people that should be very easy. And our rule in general is that in the public forum anybody who wants to speak is welcome to and for the most part, in the rest of the agenda, we weave in conversation and questions as much as possible just to have this be as interactive as it can be. And I noticed that our last year and committee member just arrived doing multiple things tonight. You want to introduce yourself? Roger Brassard, Lime and I have something. Great. Thank you. Alrighty, so here's our agenda for tonight. We already did the welcome. We're then going to go we're now going to go to public forum and public forum is really wide open. Any south end related idea, concern, you name it that folks would like to share, please feel free. We generally limit those to what is it, four minutes. I keep looking at Laina because Laina has facilitated all the meetings that I've been up until now. So you know what's going on more than me. Yeah, four minutes. Unless you're you're really on a roll. Yeah, we're yeah, we're so don't do that. Yeah, we're flexible. We just ask everybody to, you know, be thoughtful about everybody else's time. Then we'll have a presentation from the folks from Petra Cliffs, who have joined us tonight to talk about their redevelopment proposal. Then there'll be a recap of last month's resolution. We're in guarding inclusive and nondiscriminatory NPA and a discussion of what strategies we might want to have for if something goes south in an NPA meeting, which, you know, just like a hurricane or a tornado or what have you, hope it never happens. But it's good to be prepared. And if if if there's an incident where somebody is not respecting the the group norms of the NPA, what do we do about it? And it really is an open question. It's something that we're grappling with as a steering committee and something that all the NPAs are grappling with and working with the city to figure out how we maintain that, you know, open shared space in a context where we're just volunteers. So we really need to figure it out together. And then last, we're going to do a mini workshop on some ideas from our August social. And that's up here on the wall. And there's also a Google form version for folks who are online. Really, what it is is when we had our August social at Callahan Park, we invited people to share any and all ideas for ways to improve the south end. We wrote them all down and we divided them into categories. And at that part of our agenda, what we'll do is invite people to take a look and put their initials on things that they're excited about. So more details when we get to that. All right, with that, any questions about the agenda before we go to public forum? All right, hearing none, I would like to open up the public forum and invite anyone who would like to speak to do so and please start by identifying yourself with your first and last name, where you live, and if you're speaking on behalf of an organization, what your affiliation is. Yeah. Hello. It doesn't amplify, it just goes in. Oh, all right. All right, I'm Carol, Carol and Bates. And you've never needed help with amplification. And I live on Caroline Street, of course, and we do Caroling with Carol and on Caroline. But in the meantime, I wanted to tell you about, I was so excited, seven days interviewed me. And it just came out today, page 58 and 59. So you might want to read it. And it'll show you about the three, the three books I've done on street murals. I started in 2018. And then with the pandemic, I was able to really photograph just about everyone. And there's still a few that I photographed after that. And now I've put together three books. And this is book one. And that's Tara Garot, who painted that mural. And it's on King Street. And you have to read your story in the book about how she was given three minutes instructions by the guy who owned this truck that she was going to go up with three stories and paint. And she had to keep it level. And if anyone's been on King Street, you know that that's like an expert ski trail. So she has a very funny story about how she goes up there. And that thing just will not be quiet. And then this is book two. And this is Jamie Bedard. And if you've gone to the Lakeside Pharmacy and the Papin Smoke Shop, I forgot. Does anyone remember what it was called? Anyway, it's a Papin Smoke Shop. And she's on the east side. And this is part of that mural. And this is another part of that mural. So anyway, if you want to buy books, get your pencils out. Flying Pig, Sequoia Salon, April Cornell, Tail Feather, Art Hound, Phoenix Burlington, Phoenix Essex, and of course, Riding High, The Skate Shop. Thank you. I was selling the books. And if you don't want to go there, you can give me a call or email me. I'm 802-238-4213 and you can send a text. Thank you, everyone, and have fun. And thank you seven days very much. Oh, it was Amy Lilly, Pamela Paulson and Jeff Barron, who put it together. Thank you. Anyone else for public forum, please. My name is Samuel Lurie. I use he, his pronouns. I live on Austin Drive in the Oakledge neighborhood. And I came here tonight because I had just written a thing on the front porch forum about the abrupt and aggressive closure of the new bike path along the Champlain Parkway. And we all had to endure the construction of the Champlain Parkway. It was very, very disruptive to our neighborhood. It's now kind of it's still in the spring. It will be the construction part will happen again, but there's this wonderful bike path through our neighborhood, which is shut down in a very foreboding manner. It has these very big, what did you call them, Linus Jersey, Jersey Barrier. So it's so to all the entry points. And that's to the entry points of the sidewalk, not the road. So the road, OK, you can have cars driving on a road that isn't really open yet, but the sidewalk was functioning. People were using it. People were using it as a bike path. It actually is an important bike path because it's really not quite safe to be on Pine Street and in the winter, it's not always so convenient to be on the bike path. So it's it was this bike path that is really important to the community. That's part of the selling point for the road. And I don't understand why this happened. It's very aggressively shut off. And when I posted a thing on front porch forum, somebody was like, oh, I go around the barriers and it's difficult to go around the barriers. A bike can't really go around the barriers. A stroller can't go around the barriers and the barriers actually present another hazard because there's a lot of them are really aggressive and I don't understand why. So Ben, who was on this zoom thing earlier, maybe he is still. He had said I'll check it out and thank you very much, Ben. And I I don't know why that is happening. Somebody had thought maybe it was about plowing and not wanting to plow it. So don't plow it. We ever have snow again. Maybe it'll be an issue. But anyway, I just don't know why that's happening. And it really feels like it's impacting the neighborhood because this thing that was developed as part of this transportation plan and neighborhood plan is just blocked off. And I don't know why. And so I don't know if this organ, if the NPA can find out more about it. But the construction crews are probably not going to be there that much longer to move those things, but they're really in the way. I mean, that's their point. I don't know why. Looks like Ben has his hand up. So I'm guessing he wants to he has some information in response. And go ahead. Yeah. Thanks very much, Jason, Ben, Trevor, City Council, Councilor 5. I don't have the ability to turn my camera on. I'll tell you for folks online. There's a pretty big echo right now. So and the echo is now gone. Good. So hopefully you can still hear me. I raised my hand with respect to a couple of different items. One is with respect to the comment that we just heard about the concrete barrier put up along the Champlain Parkway. Yes, I saw that on Front Forge Forum. Thought it was a very good question. I've reached out to Norm Baldwin. The city engineer to get an answer on that and will certainly follow up with the question, including on Front Forge Forum as soon as I have the answer, because I think it's a good one. And I count myself among those who was using that shared use path. If it's appropriate, I don't want to step in line in terms of public comment, but there was another point that I wanted to raise, Jason, is now the okay time to do that. Please do. Go ahead. Okay, great. So I know that the Office of City Planning has been to this NPA previously and there's been a discussion about it on a number of the South End Ward 5 Front Forge Forums, but the Planning Commission and the City Council Ordinance Committee has been meeting a number of times in recent months on the neighborhood code proposal, as it's called. This is prompted by a state law that asked communities around the state to open up opportunities for the City Council Ordinance Committee to open up opportunities to develop at least four-unit buildings on lots. And the City's proposal to upzone our neighborhoods to permit for that is what's referred to as the neighborhood code. Again, we've had a number of meetings on this. There's been a number of community engagement sessions, I believe, including at this NPA. There is a proposal that the Planning Commission has now warned for a public hearing. That public hearing will take place on January 9th. And if after that public hearing, if the matter is approved of the Planning Commission then, it will move to the full City Council in early 2024 for a vote. So if folks are interested in the neighborhood code and learning more, I would be happy to hear from you to answer any questions and would encourage you to tune into that meeting on January 9th. Great. Thank you, Ben. Do you know what time that meeting will be for folks who are interested? 6.30. And I don't know if it has a meeting location yet, but I suspect it will be a hybrid meeting with an in-person location and online. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Any other public comment? Hi, I'm Tiff Blumlee and live on Locust Terrace. And I'm a state rep for this ward and part of ward six. You haven't heard a lot from Gabrielle and me over the last month because we've been waiting as a caucus to really understand what we are going to be seeing in the coming months. And I sit on the Appropriations Committee and generally we get budget adjustments in December so that we can look at that and develop questions. And so because the whole thing has to be approved, go through the House and the Senate by the end of the month of January. And we're not likely to get it until the fourth or the fifth of January. I say this because I think it's a harbinger of what we're going to experience over the next session. I think that we're going to be moving very quickly. I think as you've heard, there are going to be a lot of budget pressures, but there's also unspent ARPA money that my committee is learning about and will sue vigorously. And we will be, Gabrielle and I will weekly post kind of highlights of things going on. And we may need, we may call on you to voice your opinions on issues that if you support, you know, the position that we're supporting, otherwise you can just voice your opposition. But we, you know, we're, what happens in the building and it gets very insular. And so, you know, legislators are talking to legislators. They're not talking to the people, their neighbors, necessarily because we are, thank you, because it's pretty intense when we're there. And a lot of people don't, unless they are there. So at any rate, we will offer opportunities to participate. And I really encourage folks to let us know what, if we put something out in front porch forum or you hear about something else that concerns you, let us know. We don't hear enough from you all. And that's our responsibility is to get back to you and seek your input. So at any rate, you know, to be continued. Thank you. Anyone else for public comment? Behind you. We're going to make a quick announcement about our employee and blanket drive. My name is for me. I'm a volunteer for the people's kitchen. About four years ago, we discovered that Santa, we like rich kids better than poor kids because they get more than presents. So we work with the toy family to like bring toys again. And we have about 50 plus households that we're serving in our table food plus another 30 or so in Salmon Run and another 20 in Northgate. So there's lots of kids who want toys. And it's not just the kids who like celebrate Christmas. We give it to all the kids. So we have, now we have had enough people drop out toys or send their donation. So I want to thank all the supporters and also work out. And now we're hearing from people who are outside of our service area. And there is one, two kids, one toy. So we have been taking their name and adding them to the waiting list. But if you have new toys to donate, please contact me or any of the people. You'll get to volunteer 802 or 99, 3491 or you can also just drop it out. 44 Legendary Street. And we're still taking blankets donation. I think we're going to try to do the toys before the 25th and then do the blanket on the 29th. So please like it or like more rule and blanket. This is our biggest toy participation. Yeah. In the last 40 years or so. So thank you. And please consider. Thanks. Thank you. Okay. Let's go on to the next item in our agenda. Which is petrocliffs. Yeah. You have a PowerPoint and some. Visuals. But my name is Andrea. I'm Steve. And this is Susan. Our architect. I'll hold the picture. And just a little bit of a backstory too. So petrocliffs currently exists at 105 Briggs street. And we've been there for 23 years. Steve and I have been around since the beginning. I was a UVM student. Steve was a Johnson State student. We started working at petrocliffs in 2000, 2001. We met. We got married in 2006. We purchased the business in 2012. And it's been a great. It's been a great lifestyle. A great way to really interact with the community down here of all ages from, you know, toddlers. I've seen, you know, some of you pushing some strollers into the gym. And all the way, you know, folks into late adulthood. And we. You know, For a while now have been really maxing out our current physical space. So it was in our five year plan after purchasing the business to try to expand either move to a new location or try to expand our current facility. The handy's own our current facility. So we approached Joe handy and said, Hey Joe, can we buy the building? And he said, sure. For $4 million. So we started looking at new options. And it's, you know, really hard to jump into the commercial real estate game, not being a developer. We were looking within Burlington. We love where we are, but it seemed really hard to expand where we are. So we were looking farther out, but, you know, it was really heartbreaking to think about leaving this area. So an amazing thing happened that city market bought that south end property. They bought the entire parcel subdivided and then sold off through a request for proposals process sold that other parcel in 2019. So we went through the whole proposal phase with them. At that point we already had Susan on board. We had beautiful graphics and environmental engineers and civil engineers. And we had a really developed plan to show city market and so we won that request for proposals. We purchased the land in February of 2019. We had planned on breaking ground in spring of 2019, but unfortunately see within an accident in December, December 27th of 2018. That ended up not working for a year. And it really was in the ICU for five weeks though. It was a big deal. And we decided to pause the project to hopefully break ground like late March of 2020. Perfect. So then, you know, we really wanted to make sure that our current business was sustaining that we could take care of all of our employees. And we put a pause on the project to not work on it during that year of COVID. And then of course we just saw price increases, but we had to make sure that we were able to make sure that we had enough material and labor shortages. And at the same time, our current business was getting busier. So our time was stretched thin. So anyway, we now are picking the project up again. We get to go through the whole zoning. Application process again, which is why we're here tonight. So just showing here, this is our exterior of the building. This is the one that we moved in 2018. The only change on the exterior since then is that we've flipped this front vestibule. When we first presented our project, city market was so new that there was a lot of emphasis on the experience people would have leaving city market and coming to Petrocliffs. Instead of making it as easy as possible to come from our city market, it's still going to be easy to come from city market, but we've just flipped the entrance. Our street facing entrance will still be on Briggs street. So that, that little Rivian is a Rivian truck. The electric trucks. Is driving on Briggs street. Right. So this is the Briggs street entrance. Thanks. And then the main entrance. This is the main front entrance. So we're going to go from here to the side of the street. And then for the left side of the road, which is actually the one that's been shown here, the generous one that welcomes the parking lot. And the co-op is that way. Yeah. If you continue down Briggs street to the right. Yeah. And we do have some other. This site plan. Elevations to, but just to show the exterior of the building. It's kind of like dark blue. The left side there is the existing warehouse that is It will still be kind of redeveloped, but that's a future thing that we're not here to talk about because we want to get our first facility, the main key piece, which you can see is still right there. On the right side, you can see the existing city market parking lot still. And the only thing that doesn't really show in here is the parkway has already kind of come in and is present in brick street is a little narrower and there's no longer the connections as you all know. But yeah, a few different things is that we know with that that means also that number one is that there should not be as much traffic driving through the neighborhoods both positively and negatively. And we have expanded as much as we can to include enough parking because we know that there's not any street or adjacent parking. And so I believe there are 61 spots on here that we're 64 and two electric as well. That we kind of have in the space here and what's up. Yeah, and so now yeah looking at and basically the climbing facility is just basically doubling everything we currently have at 105 brick street our current facility is a six out and square foot warehouse. It's about 25 feet tall. This one is just side 13,000 square feet and 51 feet tall. So it'll have a variety of different things that we're looking forward to bringing in not only expanding the climbing and building a lot of the features we have a walk your video can show here in a moment if you want to see what that potentially will all look like. But we'll also have some mezzanines in there and have yoga space and other training spaces, including trying to do a rooftop tap up on outside of the yoga studio so, especially in the fall you'll be able to see all the way to the lake but other times we'll see beautiful trees and the And then yeah. This is just showing these two photos this one the last one is this was the one that we did back in 2018. If you kind of go back to the other one real quick you can see the one change exactly where the cursor is changing that vestibule does 180 degrees so that it's more a dream line for our clients to walk in and you'll see when we get to the walkthrough but that means kind of really demonstrates what it was like to have to walk all the way around but yeah there is looking at from Briggs Street at the front of the building. The white side on the upper left there left corner upper high on the third that would be the yoga studio, the roof deck will be up behind it the front entrances right down there. And those windows that go up to the height of the building will be looking in at one of the main climbing features so people are driving down the parkway will be able to see our arch, which will be all the way up to the peak of building and have lots of different opportunities. We still have all the other things that we're communicating and looking to do so, including some hanging gardens to kind of make it a little bit more green and some art that you'll see and the signage is kind of similar to what we have on our current facility just relocated and reallocated and new and beautiful and this would be looking at it from the city market side. The reason why there's not windows everywhere of course is that that is the backside of a climbing wall. And so instead of just looking at the backside of plywood and sheet metal, we did put windows all at the top to help some light in there. And we are currently investigating looking at all the options even on the roof there you can see the different things we are communicating exploring solar. And now the newest addition that we're looking into right now is a heat pump system, so that we can potentially take the whole building completely up the grid, which is something that we'd really like to do as ice climbers and skiers and climbers and environmental users we want to make sure that we can kind of encourage people to use climbing as a good resource and set a good example. Next one and that's the backside from the train tracks if you're looking at it and you can see on the upper right side there that's a big glass garage door into the yoga room or out onto that roof deck that will be up there. So that we'll have space kind of do different things or have different gatherings and events. So we can have things there. And then this is from the parking lot kind of looking up and once again you can see the main entrance is underneath the petroclist logo on the lower right. That garage door can open and once again we're looking at having the systems inside for air, having air conditioning heating and everything else but also have that where it can actually judge what's going on indoors and out and hopefully we can at times open the building and just let natural fresh air in and out as much as we can. And yep. And then these are some of the changes so the good news about not necessarily having it we thought we'd be in the building and it'd be done and we'd be communicating about all the new cool programs we're offering. But in the time that's changed there's a few things that we've kind of looked at for one for example, restrooms instead of having dedicated men's and women's we're now going to more of the gender neutral and kind of creating options so that everybody has the transparency they desire and flexibility that they can get to. Yep right in there. After seeing outside of the restroom so that people can just wash their hands from climbing and whatever else and kind of have some other gathering areas out at the front where we kind of flip that entrance there's also some areas that we want to have some seating out on the sidewalks yep in that area there. So similar to city market where we're going to kind of encourage people to engage in the community looking at it brings in the parkway and having some other opportunities there as well. And then for the most part, like I said just kind of building on and kind of matching the things that now we wish we knew when we designed originally and now we have those chances for corrections and I'm sure there'll be others as we go. Sure yeah we can do the video and we will have ice cream. Last year, this past summer we added a full freezer with ice cream and that really drew in the neighborhood. So we'll still have ice cream. But yeah we really want this facility to be even if somebody is not a climber somewhere people can come in and still be in the space and watch and it's really a welcoming cool space and if you haven't been a petroglyphs now, please come by. But just colors and people moving and all ages interacting with each other. It's a great space. And lots of people getting good energy out in a social way. And this is a video kind of showing you what it will be like inside just to give you an idea of what the facility will be so. It's quite similar. It's pretty bright I like it but yeah. No, no, we kept it quiet and purpose. Could have been some bump in music but we're trying to make sure that we meet everyone. So this is where we switched this entrance because it was like though having to walk from the parking lot all the way around come in this way it's just now going to be trouble all that snow. The main lobby area by the long long hall there just part of our net zero plan of having heat barriers and it's not as long anymore now that it's flip the other direction. The arch and that's a anybody who watched climbing in the Olympics that's a speed wall there so we'll actually have all the Olympic facilities so we could offer training that's a ramp on the upper side off the top out boulder that climbs to the third floor. We'll see more space there. There's a lot of bouldering areas over here so for roadless climbing, different training facilities so that we can introduce people and we've designed the whole building with elevators and everything else because we've worked with a lot of different adaptive programs as well. And so we're looking forward to continuing kind of offering this like we said to people of all ages abilities and backgrounds and our little one started climbing at probably less than two years old and we have you know some 70, 80 year old members that we'd love to see at the gym all the time. We're just trying to expand those offerings to be up the ramp and then up to the birthday party space and some training rooms in the yoga space be good, good visibility to just stand up high and watch things going on to so any competitions that are happening like lots of viewing space all around. And then this is some of the training walls and training spaces so these are actually adjustable. So that you can be like I want to climb this at a 45 degree angle or a 10 degree angle and they have a community shared problems that you actually can log into and will illuminate which holds you need to use and globally people can submit a problem and then you can share with the world. Not to be competitive or anything but there's this not the place in Essex out of the park. I mean we have the location. We have the commute like that one thing that people always say about Patrick close is how friendly everybody is when they walk in so we've got that and then we're gonna also have the walls. Yeah, and so honestly, isn't it. Yes, we're taller. It is that I'm that weirdo that actually honestly said this so I'm actually pleased that they're here for no other reason that we've grown the climbing community. And more and more people are out and available and we're also members of crack Vermont and we're working with them so protecting more climbing resources throughout the entire state. And so, yes, this would be another opportunity for people that are interested and now with climbing, kind of moving more an Olympic trend doesn't necessarily mean that in fact I'm the guy that was anti I actually don't like competitions. I just try to just have like groups gather climbing together because something that I started when I was probably seven or eight years old. And unlike soccer, I'm like, I don't want to listen my cake to soccer ball. I never stopped climbing and skiing. So that's kind of the things that we're focusing on and we hope to kind of plant the seeds I'm known as the climbing farmer, I just plant climbing seeds and watch people develop and let's go everyone. That's a great vision. Thank you. Any questions or thoughts suggestions concerns anything for these folks to take on with. We hope to break ground in June. So now we're just trying to get all the permits and everything else and there are some things that are complicated of course because of you know everything from correction back to plans and now waste water permits and everything else that are changing with the parkway and everything else but if we break ground in June I believe it is the 12 months to be done done. Yeah, what sorts of materials are using inside and out. I can do that we're using. Yeah, well, the whole foundation and floor will be concrete the finish of the floor will be the concrete polished. And the walls are insulated metal panels. And so this is, yeah, it's a sandwich. The interior walls are all wood. The interior. This is the exterior. The insulating walls around the exterior. Yeah, so it's five inches of foam, and then metal. And we have three different sort of styles of metal relief that we're putting on the outside that shapes the panels. It's a metal frame so all the all the framing of the interior walls will be metal, like probably this building is finishes. The climbing walls are the other one you're asking so that is also a metal frame. And unlike our current facility which is kind of like built where it's like nothing is replaceable. Every single panel actually is barcoded and everything else so if all of a sudden we do have T net failures which were where we actually attach and move the holds we can actually take off that panel and get it CNC cut and put right back on and it's all plywood that we're using So the real feature of the climbing walls that actually inside of the building is pretty utilitarian and then there are a few rooms the bathrooms and the support spaces for staff that that will be, you know, probably similar to this room and level of finish. Right we didn't mention there are two classroom spaces so one is birthday party space on weekends and then a classroom space for the community to come in and teach classes or co-working space during the day if it's not reserved for another use. Will you teach classes to. Oh yes. Oh yeah I guess you always teach. Don't you there. Any person that goes to yeah absolutely and so we're still going to be doing all of the things that we currently do in our current facility meaning the indoor programs are a big thing for community so whether you're a group that just wants to come into or if you're interested in more learning we then offer clinics for people from all different ages from our youth we have our many monkeys our youngest kids all the way up to our co-ed climate clinics and women's specific climate clinics and then if that strikes your fancy and you want to take it outdoors will run our full school out of here as well. So everything from backyard skiing avalanche courses ice climbing rock climbing. And then the big one for a lot of the community folks because I know that's how I recognize many of you is your kids came to summer camp and we hope to now be able to expand camp. Because right now I'd love to do more kids but we just don't have the space and more space hopefully will be able to expand and offer more summer camp opportunities. So the patient camp family is coming down brick street this summer. That's two kind of questions or comments or thoughts about it. One is so the only way in and out is break so that's that's this unfortunate kind of reconfiguring of the parkway and that's there's not a back way from there's not a back way. The funny thing is that 105 our current facility that's what we were told all the way back in 2000 was that break street will be your only access and the parkway is coming through here this year. That's why we are where we were a current is and so we've been ready for we've been ready for that and yes it will once the parkway is open right now I know it will probably cause some different traffic issues and the Flynn city market slash parkway intersection but I've been told that the lighting and things of that nature should make it fairly straightforward. So, the other thing it's an interest it'll just be an interesting thing to like have to go beyond past it to come back to it, but when the city market first broke ground I know there was a big delay because of sort of like the ground, whatever the toxins that were in the ground that they did they in the land that you bought that already been managed or do you have to deal with that soon be part of our construction management so we're actually going to try to do as much without just shipping stuff off making a problem elsewhere. And one of the images you saw there's actually some kind of articulated mounds, and then they're all going to be cat, and then we have soil on top or hard escape. As much as possible we don't want to truck this dirty stuff somewhere else to make it somebody else's problem so we're just going to cap it in place like for trucking it up. Wow. And then in the building itself and anywhere that's a hard escape there's actually a venting plan so we have a full corrective action plan probably so city markets and do all that. Did they cap it. Okay. Yep. So we'll have to do something similar. And we did we got a ground field revitalization grant from the state to so we have funds to help with that. Okay. Yeah, you got. No, we're on it. I mean, as well, you be a neighborhood I mean that's been everything from oil storage to. And your paint and what was it. I can't remember the name of it. And dambling. Yeah. Other things that have occurred on that site and also the railroad had quite a bit of storage and other things there and so we're going to do our best to mitigate all those problems and like I said, we're trying to use green and efficient as we can be. Yeah. I mean, a lot of mitigation is, is just if anybody's curious is this, I'll make it very simple, but it's 18 inches of clean fill on top of the police. So it's a membrane, 18 inches of new soil. And underneath the, the building, there will be a, like a rate on system, essentially that it's so depressurized it'll back, it'll suck out all the gases under the slab in case they're not healthy and just exhaust them. So that's pretty much what it takes. I've got a couple of questions related to transportation. One, did you explore any amount of shared parking with city market, because I know the back end of their parking lot is very rarely used nobody wants to park, you know, at the far of the parking lot. We've been using our site for parking for their staff parking because they don't allow their staff to park in their parking lot. So we've had an agreement just a verbal agreement over the past couple years now that they've been parking in our lot on the end, which has been working fine. I think as far as like the site plan, maybe that'd be a future addition and development, but I think. From the perspective of reducing how much parking you need to build in there for how much pervious surface you create. I know the city really encourages shared parking among compatible uses and yeah, that can be tricky, but I just wanted to know if that. No, we've definitely explored and talked and I mean it's one of the big concerns the city market has in general is the fact that they claim they do not have enough parking period yet for themselves and staff. And so we definitely have planned with the amount of spaces we have that we know we will have an increase of traffic and everything else. So I agree that it would be nice to have less surfaces and and I know that we've talked with Scott who was talking about that we. We met or we've, we didn't necessarily have exceeded but we've met the goal of it. And now, you know, we would almost make the argument of do we need more and then on events and things like that we will definitely share partner like we have with city market if also like we're doing a climbing competition or a movie night or something like that. We definitely share parking but yeah. And how, what's the, you double the size of your building how many parking spaces do you have at your current facility is it a doubling of parking is more or less or a little more than double mostly because we lost all street parking. And how many bike parking spaces. I want to say eight. And are they, are they covered. We talked about some covered by parking under the new. We did that change. We are looking at some. So we changed the entry and then this has the ripple effect so we're working we're working right now to redesign the landscape there. And we were talking about locating them under the canopy under the entry canopy. That makes a big difference. I bike, your round actually worked for a decade for local motion so this was my my gig for a while. I don't anymore. But if you can put at least a substantial portion and if possible, all the bike parking undercover. It encourages people to bike even in inclement weather because they know their bike is not going to, you know, get drowned or covered in snow or whatever. So that's a good side. Yeah. Another question. I can't remember at that location is the shared use path along the parkway on your side or the other side. It's on the other side. Okay. Crossing option. There's nothing preventing people from just. There's no crosswalk at this time is something that is that was said that could be discussed after the parkway was completed, but it was not playing. Yeah. Okay. With with that in mind is your design. Such that if it were possible in the future to build a crosswalk, it could be easily sort of plugged into your, your, your layout. Yes, we plan to have the connection to break street with that. And so that would be already there. And then somebody. There's also a future sidewalk in the right way or right now that there's the city market private sidewalk that will connect into our sidewalk. There's future plans for another sidewalk along brick street. You along your like that parking lot area of yours. Right. Yeah. We're going to play in that will connect with city markets going right to our entrance. But the city has got a plan to put a second site in a city owned sidewalk at the curb height from Flynn ab all the way to 105 brick street at the end. But even that is one of those things I believe that's not a project that they want to start until the parkway is to completion. You can see the dotted. You see there's the sidewalk. No, up a little. Yes. To parallel that's before the parkway isn't it. Based on an old plan that was based on the parkways plan. And then now that the parkways been built here going to need to survey what's actually again. Last question. How wide are your, your two curb cuts for access to the parking lot. They're both already done. We're done. Yeah. Okay. They're in sight and yeah, We're going to work with FDR and while they were developing the parkway to put in our sewer water connection so doesn't have to be torn back up for our building. Great. Okay, that's moved then I asked because wider curb cuts encourage cars to make faster turns which is, you know, the incrementally more dangerous. Incrementally more dangerous for people trying to get across there on foot. No, totally. And break street is anybody's been down and now it's pretty narrow. It's pretty narrow. Yeah, it's really nice. It's going to slow things down for sure. But yeah, definitely we want to make sure that a they were at the width required particularly because of breaks narrowness that the fire trucks and anything else that in a worst case scenario as we were saying earlier. Can get in and there'll be passage and ways around and having the two entrances hopefully like with things like summer camp where you could potentially have 50 plus cars each morning and evening. Coming around and through having a path that makes it nice and clear and clean. But just for scale to so the, the entrance on the left is a little bit narrower than the entrance on the right. And the entrance on the right is considerably narrower than city markets entrance right there. That one's really wide. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. That's all I have. Oh, I have one more thing to say about some of your comments. We, in this parking lot, we are dealing with stormwater with bioswales wherever possible in the Highland in the middle of the parking lot. Yes, the plant tanks. Yeah, in those islands that are. They did that too. Yeah. Yeah. That's a much better solution than the previous statement which tends to fall apart. Aiden, the spots is not after bikes. No, you ever have a single event where people are absolutely not enough and you should add 20 more. Yeah. Currently, we have one bike rack that's probably this wide and it frequently has about 20 bikes. If you have 64 parking spots and bike spots, you say, Oh, if you're biking, it's not as important to us. No, which sounds like it's out of alignment with all of the other things you said. So I want to encourage you to address that. Thank you. I agree. And if I'm guessing what you're going to do is something similar to city market where the bike parking is hoops cast in the concrete. Those are far and away the best because they're, you know, they're permanent. And there's specific standards for spacing placement distance from from walls, etc. Yes, association of I think bike parking professionals as a guide for this. But they're frequently placed in ways that makes it hard to use them. But it sounds like you guys are on that kind of thing. But yeah, I would agree more bike parking spaces would be awesome. And potentially, I mean, looking at all sorts of different things, I know, like even now currently, we oftentimes even make space indoors. And so that can be a possibility. So I especially need to tune up or something else like that. That would be more than capable of doing in our lobby. Fantastic. Any other questions or thoughts. If you have any questions about the sidewalk that you described, there might be a second sidewalk at a different rate. The existing sidewalk that, well, there's no existing sidewalk right now in Berkshire. So the sidewalk that we have planned city market already has the one she's going to come over and it's about, you know, four or five feet above the road level. Yes. Yeah. And then we will make one that will continue to that all the way to our existing facility. And then you can see that there is already the proposed city one, but you can point that out. I'm like dotted line down there. Yep. And you can see the connections we have to the main street that come right off of it. And like a better state for pedestrians, one in each direction. It's a little odd, but they want both of them. Yeah, this is a private sidewalk. That would be our responsibility keeping clear everything else. The city one, they would do all of that maintenance. And already it has some complexities that we know of, for example, everything beyond 75 break street, there's massive obstacles like all of the polls and properties. So it might not continue all the way down to 105 break street our current facility, but at least they want to get it to the end of our property. Right. Those have pretty close to the road, close to the road in where now the new utility, especially now that they've done all the wires under the road and things of that nature. They're now giant concrete structures and all coming out of them that might make it more complicated. All right, we're looking at the time. We should probably keep moving. Thank you all so much for coming in. Appreciate the presentation and thank you so much for coming in. Thank you so much for coming in. We're really here for the community. So anything questions, ideas, I appreciate all of those. That's why we do this and you continue to help to be part of the community there. Excellent. Thank you. Alrighty, let's move on to the next agenda item. Thank you so much for the presentation from last presentation and some thoughts, a discussion about where we go from here. Jason and bus go whenever you're ready about slides back. And just we have a pretty, we have the steering committee and some additional friends so glad you're here. We're going to spend a few minutes looking at the resolution last month. So here it's much shorter than it was when we started our meeting, which is cool. We had a good process. And ended up with this, and a couple of questions remained and maybe we'll get to talk about them tonight. We at the all words meeting were reminded that we shouldn't be scheming amongst ourselves. And a public meeting so it's actually kind of cool that most of us are on steering committee, and we have some other folks and we can have a productive conversation that is part of the open meeting. I would love it if somebody else would read this resolution. Charlie, please. Starting with award five. Yeah, let's do it. The ward five NPA is fundamentally committed to creating an inclusive and welcoming space for all members of the Burlington community. The ward five NPA affirms that all community members regardless of gender, gender identity or expression, sex, sexual orientation, race, color, religion, national origin, ancestry, place of birth, pregnancy, AIDS, disability or any other characteristic. The ward five NPA protected by law are fully and equally welcome at NPA sponsored events. All participants at NPA five sponsored events are called upon to respect the gender identity, including stated pronouns and all other participants. The ward five NPA in a quote, unequivocally rejects transphobic sexual sexist racist or other discriminatory speech or actions at NPA five sponsored events as inconsistent with the above and therefore incompatible with the mission of the NPA's. Thank you, Roger. Okay, that's our resolution. We had a bit of time talking about it last month, and we're not going to talk about it anymore today forever hold your peace. It's already passed. However, if you want to go to the next slide, we, as part of that large discussion there was some, there was a question about like, what happens when something bad is going on in the NPA. There's going to be a process for accountability outside of the scope of that incident when it's happening, but it's our job to make this space actually feel safe in, in accordance with the resolution so what do we do if something happens. It's, it's a simple and complicated question. There are some, I think we left with some questions about like, can we kick people out is that what we want to do. What happens when, when harm is occurring should we stop the meeting. Should we try to go on. So we have, we have, if we're going to stick to our agenda only 10 minutes to talk about this maybe we take more like 15. But if folks have thoughts, let's hear them and maybe we can arrive at a draft idea of what we would do if harm was occurring during an NPA and now we want to handle that. So can I ask a clarifying question before we jump in. You frame out two things here the, the, the sort of big picture of process to address harm, hold people accountable, etc. Left with a question of how we intervene of harm is occurring. I'm, I'm a little unsure as we dive into this. Are we strictly addressing the second half of this at the meeting. Somebody is, is, is, is doing something that goes against what we wrote in that resolution. What do we do in the moment. Yes. Okay. Yeah. And the reason for that distinction is that there's, there's another group of people and correct me if I'm wrong. It seems like maybe the department or like some, some other entity at the city is going to be sort of like the HR consultants for if something happens at an NPA, this structure doesn't exist yet. And so hopefully there will be a way to kind of address those grievances in the bigger picture. Once they have, once they have occurred and once it's passed. So we're just talking about like, in the moment, what does it look like. How do we handle it. Yeah, go ahead. Well, I was just thinking when you go to the doctors to ask you where your pain level is. It looks like from one to 10, and maybe in somehow in this, in this incident, maybe there's a rating of a one to 10, you know, and if someone's just like, maling off or speaking that says someone but when you get up into his own five. Then that means we have to, to maybe bring other people in. But I don't think it's a simple one answer for this. And then it would be really good that we have some other people back us backing us. We can at least call them or they can come or they can somehow give us some suggestions that we may not be able to come up with on our own, especially in the moment. And then how do we talk about using nonviolent communication, you know, the way to resolve conflict and, you know, that it's constructive so there are people out there that could help train us at steering committee to do that and also the NPA itself. Because a lot of judgment I think will have to be used by the person who's facilitating meeting. Yeah. I just want to say that. I think we've been emailing a little bit but organizing a deescalation training for whoever's interested, it'll probably just be for steering committee members but we're trying to figure out the details in late January so hopefully that, you know, will provide you at some tools that you could use in terms of like what exactly you can do during meeting to you have to follow open meeting law. And so at the all words meeting also in January. We'll talk more about that too. But generally like if something's really out of hand and you don't want to continue because someone's being harmed. You know, it's not going to be an open meeting. Either for like, you know, short period of time and try to restart it again, or else just for the night. And besides that I think there's some limitations to what you can do, just because of open meeting and you can't necessarily kick someone out. Yeah, maybe maybe there's ideas that you all have that still follow open meeting law and, you know, we can also bring them up to the city attorney's office and make sure that they work out. Well, thanks for sharing that that was definitely our, our big question at the end of last meeting is, are we kicking people out of these meetings that doesn't really seem like it follows with the kind of ethos of the NPA, nor the laws governing the NPA. Perhaps more importantly so it seems like amongst what everybody has said so far there's, there's kind of a question about like how, how bad is it. Do we like do we let it. Do we let it go because sometimes people are mean to each other and that's what happens when we're alive, or do we are we stopping the meeting or re adjourning the meeting. And hopefully using de escalation skills and nonviolent communication skills. What do, does anybody have thoughts about like, where's, where's the threshold, are we, if somebody is in clear violation of what we have written here, is that when we adjourn is that when we stop the meeting and, and kind of address the harm. Is it if something else is going on, curious about that. I, I see maybe four levels of action that we could take and be curious how this lands with others. One is, you know, if there's something that's off base. I would think it'd be the primary role of whoever's facilitating and secondarily of the other steering committee members to just note. Hey, that that really doesn't align with how we run these meetings, can you, you know, recalibrate. And hopefully that helps somebody kind of reset and, you know, engage in a different way. The second level, if that doesn't work, we might be to pause the meeting and for one of the members of the steering committee, if the person is willing to step outside, listen to them. You know, here where they're coming from, and see if they can get to the place of the person kind of de escalating and agreeing to participate within the ground rules of the NPA and then restarting the meeting. The third would be, no, this is going off the rails. We just have to end the meeting. And the fourth would be there's imminent danger here. We need to call the police. And hopefully it never ever ever gets to that point. But, you know, that's the ultimate backstop if somebody is threatening bodily harm. Can we try not lethal first like these are the first. That's the police's job. So, any, does, does any thoughts on that does that are the things that that leaves out or things that people would think about differently in terms of a framework for different levels of issues. I just want to mention that we have someone online who shared. Thank you. Could you use some of the techniques of restorative practices principally by asking the person receiving harm how they want to proceed meeting people where they're at is a good way to ensure individuals feel supported whatever space you're facilitating. Yeah, I thank you so much for sharing that and I think that that kind of goes nicely with the, the first level you're talking about which is kind of checking in and yeah, and seeing how folks are doing, and then maybe we can proceed and maybe we can't. And then mediation is required. Other thoughts on Jason's framework. And so I'm thinking that is the city is going to provide the escalation training, then there may be actual steps that we could take that the city's training that attorney city has already been in terms of what we can do, given the fact that we're dealing with an open meeting is that there's going to be an escalation training coming forward. So it'll be done by the Community Justice Center, which is part of the Community and Economic Development Office. I think we will talk about, you know, open meeting law and how that how the two could kind of work together. But we're still kind of working out what it'll involve exactly so I can't say precisely. I think it's very important that you make some sort of rule that says who's the designated person who starts or is the commander of everyone else. So is it the person running the meeting, or is it, you know, someone else and maybe out of your MP there's one person that's more trained than someone else. But that person is just, you know, this already going before you start the meeting. Yeah, and I'm kind of picturing like, who is the person who steps out. If something is going wrong. Somebody's been trained. Yeah, and you know, I think all of us, all of us can develop these skills deescalation is free. Yeah, yeah. And we can, if we go into every meeting saying, oh, it's going to be this one of us who is going to step out if things get out of hand, even if it's not the person facilitating. Yeah, that's, that's good. And on the other hand, it may actually be useful to have multiple people who've gone through that training on the steering committee and then be able to assess in the moment who might be the person best able to engage with someone who, you know, where deescalation is needed because in different circumstances, different people might be in the best position to, to make that connection. So I'll let Mosca share in a minute ago about if there isn't really a good way to pull someone aside while the meeting is going, even whether it's steering committee member or for some of them. Yeah, so probably does kind of start with pausing the meeting to allow that to happen. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I don't need the space. Take this is take this will take five minutes and everybody grab another piece of chicken and fall off in five minutes. And then come back, believe in a better spot. So, probably that's probably something we can get away with. I do think you have an excellent resource here in Terry because I mean she's run a women's prison, she's, you know, the state hospital as probably done. You're a licensed, you're a Buddhist, you know, so at any rate, there are, there are skills that you have that might be. We don't ever talk about but that might be very helpful. You know, you have that work history. So I think for me, I would be looking at whoever it is because I know that we're all going to develop these skills and it's good to exercise those skills for all of us and try to identify one person for each meeting would be the kind of point person instead of trying to figure out which one of us would do that. Thank you for your vote of confidence. Well, maybe we could take some classes from you. So, it sounds like we, if we have a de escalator identified, that's great. And then if something happens, we will pause the meeting, we'll check in with the person who's been harmed, or de escalator will step out with the person who is causing the harm. And then maybe we'll reconvene and see if we can restart the meeting. Either if the person refuses to engage, or the engagement doesn't result in a de escalation. Then the meeting is adjourned. Well, I guess I would want to make sure that we hear what we are allowed to do under open meeting law. So there may be other choices besides those two. It seems like adjournment is the closest we're going to get. Like we can't kick people out, but if we adjourn, it's kind of like saying, okay, everybody has to. Yes. Yeah, go ahead. You're not allowed to take a recess link. Well, I think that's, yeah, that's kind of the idea of the adjournment. It's like, well adjourn and we either will come back or we'll, we'll not. Yeah. Is it recessed? You're guaranteed to come back. Yeah, I don't think we're quite as official. I think we would call it a pause. Yeah, sure. I want to recess. Exactly. Okay. How do you feel about where we're at one of. It's like a pretty solid process. Okay, but sir, sure is. Yeah, I think in terms of what we do with this. Maybe we revisited at our next hearing committee meeting and make sure everybody still feels all good about it. And then we can share it on our website and post about it on front porch where I'm so folks know. And we'll send it to you as well. That's not good as part of a like bylaw. Yeah, so we're, yeah, we have policies to kind of where we. Yeah. Okay. So it seems like the real follow up here is that this will go into our, our bylaw amendment, which will happen at some point in the next couple months. Yep. Okay, we did it. Good job, everyone. Thank you everyone. And it's, it's kind of like my, my sister who lives in LA and has, you know, 20 gallons of water in her garage and faces and earthquake and she hopes there's never an earthquake but if there is, she knows what to do. And that's, that's kind of what we're doing here. We hope we never have to do this, but we want to be prepared if it's necessary. Right. Right. All right, so let's continue on to our last agenda item. Let's see. So the last agenda item, I'll give a little bit of background. Lena, would you be willing to share out the link to the form for the folks who are virtual. Yes. Do you mind putting in the chat? There is no chat. Oh, the webinar. Okay. I can fix it. I just need a minute. Great. Thank you. Thank you for your background. In August, rather than doing a regular meeting, we had a community social in Callahan Park. Over the course of three, four hours, about 100 people came through. It was great. We cooked up a whole bunch of food. Roger smoked himself pretty good standing at the grill. I don't know how many hamburgers and veggie burgers. A lot. And it was a real hit. Lots and lots of people who we hadn't seen at regular NPA meetings stopped by, said hi, and a fair number of them contributed to a sort of community brainstorming project that we did as part of this meeting where we had a flip chart. And we put at the top of it what changes or improvements would you like to see in the south end or something to that effect. People wrote down a whole bunch of ideas. And we then kind of went back and scratched our heads about, okay, what do we do about these. So tonight is when we start doing something about them with a real emphasis on the we, not just steering committee, but the NPA everybody. And what we've done is we took the ideas and we organize them into three categories. One is community led projects, which basically means things that we can do that we don't need any permission. And, you know, no significant amount of money to do stuff that people can just do as neighbors. And the second is city led projects, meaning stuff where there'd have to be a leading city role, but where it's not the kind of thing where you need to hopefully get a grant and do a feasibility study and, you know, wait 10 years to make it happen but rather something that could be folded into operations of one or another city department. The last category is capital projects, meaning stuff that takes a while and a lot of money and a whole lot of pushing over a long period of time to make it happen but when you make it happen it's really worth it. So we organize them along those lines and what we'd like to ask folks to do is we have a set of markers here and I'll explain the online version in a second. The color does not matter I just swiped my daughter's markers so by the way please don't lose them please don't take them. She will kill me. She's an artist she loves her markers I have her permission but she made it very clear they have to come back in good shape. Take a look at all of these up here and anything that you would like in some way to help make happen and that could be small you could be the person who puts up posters about this thing or tells two neighbors about it or whatever, but something where you'd like to put a shoulder to the wheel in some way and to some degree, put your initials on it. And at the same time as we're doing this, we're going to pass around a list here, but your name your email and your initials, because if all we have is initials, we can't do anything with that we need to connect each initials with who it is and how do we get a hold of what will happen is we will look this over and see what things jump out as having you know a substantial number of people who want to help make them happen. And then we'll circle back with those people and figure out how those things can move forward. And I want to be clear that, again, the we that I'm saying here is the biggest possible we like this is not something the steering committee is looking to and we're looking for advice. This is something that we want to do as residents of the south end. So put your name on stuff that you'd like to help make happen. And our role as the steering committee in this will really be very much analogous to our role here at the NPA. We just pulling people together and putting stuff on the table for people to work with. Yes. Will you revisit this at the next meeting because you had said this was a pretty low attended meeting because of the holiday time and I'm probably going to be leaving before I can really spend much time on that but it will be repeated at the next because we have it on our agenda for January so I think we'll probably revisit what we have done this month and see if we can move ourselves forward a bit. And we also talked about sending out our, we have a Google forum that's sort of the online version of this will send that out on front porch forum if somebody's not here but they're really excited about planting fruit trees on public land. Yeah, so this is their hand up. This is the this is the opener but yes absolutely this is not the one chance I appreciate you asking. The duocracy element is a little short. Yeah, yeah, very much so. And the last thing I'll say is that we gave this a title I forgot to put it up here but it's on the online version that this is the neighborhood doing assembly as a complement to the neighborhood planning assembly. We want to work together as residents of the south end to do some stuff that that makes the south end better. So this is the launch of that Terry go ahead. Can you say something more about you feel like there's more time. No, it's just if you're talking about the doing assembly you need more people. Yeah, just need more. So you're loving that we repeat what they're doing that. Correct. We'll bring it back at the next similar exercise and and spread it as as Lena indicated by other means, you know through front porch forum and, and we'll put it up on the website and so on and so forth. So. All right. So invite folks to take a marker. We got some online folks. Thank you. If you don't mind just putting the slides back included a little URL. So, y'all who are online should be able to either click on that URL, or just type it in. I made it short. And maybe while we're having a little discussion here about what's in front of us, you all will be able to see the same information. And either talk about or silently think about which things you're excited to, to vote for. The forum should be pretty self explanatory. And there it is. Feel free to use that share it with your friends. Yeah. And you don't even need the HTTP and all that you can just type tiny URL.com slash on the part after it. Yeah. And then NPA 12, 12, 21, 23, some obnoxious. Today's date. Alrighty. So, can I make a suggestion? Yes, please. We can't all squish in that space. Yeah, let's move one of them. Thank you. And then people can rotate. And please don't forget, before you leave, write down your name, email and initials so you can connect the dots. Let's get going. Everybody grab a marker. Pick your pages, pick your pages. Where do they get that from? Captain. Yeah, something like that. Right. I'm dating myself is terrible. And we're doing it well too, aren't we? Yes, we are. I'm not going to participate tonight. I'm really overdue. Somebody's goodies here. Hey, Sam, that's your food. Thanks for that. Thank you. Thank you. Well, yes. No, they got it. Just a minute. You know, we've already had. Yeah. Well, you're going to do a development. Where are you? This is not voting for things somebody else is thinking. You know. really. You're staying up here in the house and. They're planning something. They were at place at the time, gathering outside and right. People just bring up thermos coffee and drink it. Other people would like brash camp stove. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's. The way. You know, these, these will be whatever the. I mean, it's not like somebody just. One. This doesn't have to just want to be. No. No. Anything that only had one person on it. So. They're all the same color. Yeah, they're bad. I know the noise. Sure. I can't. I'm watching you. Yeah. I'm going to say one thing. So we're still, all the voices are still being recorded. Yep. So I'm just making sure anybody understands. Okay. Thanks. Black lives matter. Sorry. I'm not joking. Still matter. Oh yeah. I'm not joking. I'm not going to say that right now. I'm not going to say it right now. I'm not going to say it right now. I'm not going to say it right now. I'm not going to say it right now. I'm not going to say it right now. I'm not going to say it. Right now. But rather encouraging. And what we have. Sure. Yep. Like you've done in front of your house. Right. Not just very. It's fine. Very state items. It's. Take it out. Well, I was. No. People out of here. Move over. I don't see anything up there. What else do we always do? Well, I just born up on her. That would be an apple project. We need everyone's dish. You're going to save our garden or the grass. So the water on the side of the dish, instead of staying on the side of it, we're going to save our side of the land. Make it in water 10 years. I have the right one. No. That's all. There used to be one from London, Terrence. I used to think of alleyway. I think it was going down there. So. Yeah, so only eight people responded. Yes, so we're still by January 18th. She is in charge of that. And she's a January 18th. We have a representative. You know, we're five. Yeah, already. You have. That's great. Training. He's going to try to. Once everyone. I'm going to be away that week. Right away. The second of February. I mean, I can zoom in. It'll be online. Yeah. Training. Okay. Yeah. I'm not around and I can still get. Yeah, I think you should be. Were you. Were you part of the downtown post and shut down and. Yeah. Yeah. There's always been a party. Yeah. Well, it's, it's what they turned it into is certainly much needed. Yeah. The building is the building is going to be gone. And as far as I know, there's going to be a suite for the VFW on the main floor. I don't know what that comes as. If we're going to do another canteen or not, but then there's going to be four, three or four usage. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. Well, yeah. There you are. Yay. Okay, so should I email her? Yeah, I can email her. I don't know. I didn't say that. You need a coffee on it. No, that's okay. They didn't have time over their watch. They didn't have time. All they were. If you want you can just let her know that, you know, I mentioned that the date might be the 30th and that you'll. You know, I think that's that orientation training. Understand people's availability. You know, I'm wearing a little diaper. Yeah. You know, Yeah. Yeah. You know, Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. They hired him to do six bucks. They're best. We adjourned or we. Yeah. I think we need to formally adjourn it for a journey. I think we're going to take him into a little bit. Sorry. That kind of spells it out. You know, Just get a little bucket. The situation. Anyway, the diaper. My sister didn't. Yeah. Should we adjourn the meeting? Yeah. Okay. So for our friends online, we are adjourning in here. Thank you for joining us and hope that you filled out the form. We will be sending it around again. On front porch forum and share it with your friends and neighbors if they have ideas. Thank you. Thank you. This was the December 21st. 2023 NPA meeting in word five. Thank you. Have a good rest of the year.