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Alright well I will start and then Steven has something so I have for today a special page on my website mctune.net slash mdd for modern day debates so all the evidence I post I'll put on there and all the claims I make I'll put on there it's already got a couple things I'll start with quote from Austin you said when you make a positive claim you have the burden of proof completely agree so I know you agree Austin I Steven and it does and Nathan is I assume you you take that stance as well. I'm not paying attention to what you're saying mctune go ahead. Oh super okay well then then that'll make it harder for you but fine the so representing evidence that's what I'm going to pay attention to I don't want you to assume what I believe or what my stance is well that's why I to make an argument for your tilted ball. So it can I ask you then that's what the back with Austin we're going to go with Austin is this is opening Nathan you have to let him speak for his opening now asking us questions okay and so I'm responding back into his opening statement great so I will ask you again do you agree with Austin who said when you make a positive claim you have the burden of proof yes okay thank you so just as some some foundational things I have on my website there this isn't this isn't the the evidence I'll get into that in a second I just just four things earth rotation has been measured sorry the radius the earth has been measured the law of gravitational attraction has been measured the rotation of the earth has been measured and the effects of atmosphere refraction have been measured so speaking of the rotation of the earth I don't know is Bob in there but you know James maybe Bob would be interested in a debate on your channel with me maybe mid July what do you say Bob anyway so I got those those are the the four just kind of foundational things so when I talk about those things I've already presented the evidence supporting them so if you don't agree with them then the evidence has been there and you'll need to refute that before you can just say it doesn't exist because I've provided the evidence so Nathan you probably know this I will do what we talked about with Russian vids that the sun could it ever set if the earth is flat so everything I'm about to do is assuming flat earth so in on the November the December solstice I measured the angle to the sun at local solar noon found it to be 23.54 degrees you can I could show you the measurements of that but doesn't matter a whole lot anybody can do that that's what I got and the cool thing then is is we know the distance from 45 degrees north where I did it down to the Tropic of Capricorn where Nathan and Austin you've both have said the Sunday circles it goes over the Tropic of Cancer goes over the Tropic of Capricorn it goes back and forth right so we know how far that is because one degree of latitude is 60 nautical miles that's actually the definition of 60 nautical miles so and then we can convert between nautical miles and miles so we know that the distance is if let's see 20 20 45 degrees north all the way down to 23.5 degrees south gives us 473 4000 hold on let me get three up 4731 miles so that's how far I was from the sub solar point and assuming flat earth that's just a big flat thing right so let me I'm gonna share my screen here in a second so let me get that ready for you so that didn't work also want to let you know folks we are so I won't share right now I'll stick with that not complicated so we know that distance we know the angle and we can calculate perspective then to find out the elevation of the sun based on the angle and the distance that we know things that are well known so let me get that back up oh my goodness I lost it so the elevation of the sun using just seventh grade math 1,972 miles I measured that myself assuming flat earth right now later in the day it's at local solar nader right that'd be the middle of the night when the sun is on the farthest point away from me on flat earth on the other side of the north pole over the traffic of Capricorn we can do the same math calculating the number of degrees latitude you have to go over multiplying by 60 nautical miles converting to miles we get 10,942 miles so we can use that distance in the elevation the sun I already measured to get due to perspective the elevation of the sun over flat earth in the middle of the night that gives us 10.3041 degrees above true level due to perspective that's the lowest that the sun could ever appear on flat earth due to perspective now I did take into account refraction and I'll put the details on my website here as soon as I'm done I'll paste that in so refraction raises the view of the sun by a small amount so I put both of those in and that will be included in my numbers where I came out with 10.3041 degrees above true true level which would be sometimes called eye level in the middle of the night on that day the sun was not 10 degrees above the horizon above true level therefore the earth is not flat Stephen yeah here we go with the cartooning clown and stuff from Nathan I love it cracks me up yeah if I can add just one thing if if you disagree with my math don't just say it's wrong I expect to show that you'll show me what's wrong you'll give me the correct math uh that predicts where the sun will be and where it sets and all that stuff so all right go ahead Stephen okay three main points one I want you all to try to understand that the earth is really really big it seems like none of you flat earthers can understand that two I don't understand why you think space is not a thing considering people have been to it we have went to the moon and we have people on the ISS red trader has proved that the excess exists you have to accept his math or prove it wrong you can't do that then accept it lastly for some ungodly reason y'all well I don't think Austin does but Nathan I know definitely does believes that there's this magical dome for a container well if there's this magical dome why has no one ever seen it proven it or went to it the fact that we have a pressure gradient that goes all the way up to zero from 14.7 at sea level proves that we do not have a container if we were in a container the pressure would equalize that's all I need to say thank you very much we will kick it over to our flat earth yes so Nathan you betcha and the floor is all yours all right well I'm your new host of the show we're gonna start Austin would you like to start or Nathan would you I don't care bro let you start go ahead brother I'll go right after you James is talking no no no it's okay hey you guys are all set the floor is all yours Nathan and Austin all right so um yeah McTaren you can't just presuppose solidity uh the sun you don't know the characteristics of the sun you certainly don't know the attenuation properties between you and the sun so boom math done preset positions and then to the other guy's point um we've been to the moon that's crazy I don't know how you know that we take an empirical approach meaning verifiable as an independently verifiable we don't make a habit of trusting truly fraudulent sources like the government who openly and immediately consistently lies so for anything to do with you presupposing space which defies a second law if they're on dynamics you should try to you know propose something that is independently verifiable as opposed to expecting us to just accept your appeal to authority um and then again you brought up the container well the necessary antecedent to gas pressure is containment and um we never been able to get past 70 miles if you look at the military documents they all stop right around that that height so we're not legally allowed to try to go through it I'm not sure if you're aware of that and 70 miles is past where they say is the brink of space at the kormin line um so typically what we run across is uh globes on actually another religion they presuppose reifications and then act as if that shows us that the earth's magic spinning cartoon ball brought to you bunches of it's so very simply and I always say this in mcdonald's said it very interesting and us positive claims have the burden of truth the globe earth is a positive claim of specificity it claims metrics right very specific metrics it's a reference of radius actual rotation 15 degrees right like uh speed of rotation of equator this is a very specific I I did I did cite I did cite all those so so you go very specific positive claims so you have the burden of proof what globes do is shift the burden of proof to some strongman model because they don't understand the simplicity and the idea of the falsification of the globe earth model that they are proponent of is independent of a replacement model we simply don't have all the information to know exactly what the earth is it's called the intellectually honest position and no no actually you have to presuppose the solidity and characteristics of the sun and you have to also know the distance so I'm sorry it was rotation yeah this isn't his opener okay mctoon pipe down yeah so you have to assume solidity and characteristics of the sun and uh you would have to know the attenuation properties thus the medium intricacies of how it differentiates from you to said sun so all of your math is just a human construct used to describe your presupposition so it's not impressive math describes science explains your entire fairy tale religion is void of scientific empirical evidence so again conclusions very simple burden of proof lies into globe earth it's a positive thing specificity thus it has a burden of fruit specificity cannot shift the burden of proof to a strongman model and that makes the air informatics mean cartoon ball that's it that's more guys I just want to point out if you do a little independent research on what these tilted heliocentric priests will tell you this is all cartoons guys the pictures of the south pole cartoons pictures of satellites in space cartoons pictures of the sun pictures of the core of the earth pictures of the earth these are all cartoons it is a cartoon religion now thank you james for hosting uh and also mctoon i want to thank you for being here and steven and my legend of a partner austin this it's guys it's going to be a good show uh austin and i are globe earthers worst nightmares before they go to bed they look under the bed for us to check and make sure that austin and nathan are not there so we're going to smoke them like finely imported cuban cigars in this debate they have absolutely nothing to bring to the table i mean the gentleman started with assuming a flat earth and then did math how is that your evidence or your argument that we live on a spinning tilted ball you're going to say it's been measured it's been measured it's been measured it's been measured and then you're going to assume a flat earth and talk about what you think the sun is and how far away you think it is based on math okay that's not proof you live on a spinning ball steven's arguments really he said they need to understand how big it is okay we know exactly how big you guys tell us it is 24,900 miles around 39 59 on the radius uh they say those are the measurements but the problem is there is no downward earth curve at all period so if you guys don't know who i am my name is natin tomsen i run the official flat earth and globe discussion 130 000 members in the group we don't allow cursing or insults we do have 24 000 people on our block list so don't come in there thinking you're not going to propose and and submit first hand science that doesn't fly we don't allow globe preaching in the group i personally have ran into nasa employees phd astro physicists land surveyors i try to debate them they usually end up running away like i pulled their pants down because the globe is a cartoon religion it's not supported by facts it's supported by falsehoods it is a spiritual deception under the disguise of science okay it is religious dogma and the truth is incontrovertible malice will attack it ignorance will try and deride it but in the end there it is and an honest man not like my opponents but an honest man when proven to be wrong must either admit he is wrong or he no longer remains to be an honest man now i don't want to be a flat earth i don't know anyone that actually is like gung ho about being a flat earth or it comes with a lot of ostracism and ridicule and quite frankly i don't care what the shape of the earth is i just want to know the truth so i've been seeking the truth for five years i've been gathering evidence from the members in my group nobody can prove downward earth curve nobody can prove the earth spins a thousand miles an hour and as i pointed out earlier space is a cartoon religion now when i first heard about flat earth uh i thought on something okay and then i heard from a gentleman i've been studying applied neuroscience with for eight years and he's the smartest guy i've ever ran into and he'd been looking into it for seven months so i started doing my own research i went out and purchased multiple nighcons i traveled to salt lake city new york chicago i've been to the lake poncha train in louisiana i've done all my own tests now as you can see clearly my opponents have done pretty much nothing um but and that was evident in their opening but a lot of people are going to ask why this matters and why this is important and not guys i had to decide what kind of fool i was going to be uh we're all put into this globe matrix and a matrix is a mold we're all poured into this mold as kids and taught that we live on a spinning tilted testicle in space that exploded from nothing and then the pond scum evolved into monkeys and then the monkeys eventually became men that's the story that's what they teach in mainstream science so uh it's not your fault you believe the earth's a globe unless you deny the truth once it's presented to you i mean and i didn't want to do that i didn't want to be that kind of fool that gets presented the truth and then just denies it and says no i'm going to believe the lies and then i have to support this satanic math and cartoon cosmology like my opponents here so heliocentrism is nothing more than religious dogma masturbating as science um and mick cartoon and steven are just parrots of that religious dogma and speaking against that lie that has become an orthodox belief brings with it a responsive attack from the high priest and the followers of that cult religion who spring into action to protect the errors in their science so hence why mick cartoon and his partner are here so-called scientists like mick cartoon and his partner here are more akin to witch doctors who mesmerize the tribe with their superstitious belief in booga booga nonsense that's what it is straight up we can get into the science i know i spent a lot of time talking about my background i feel like a lot of people sometimes might hear what i'm saying but they don't listen okay you got you got to listen to the word that i'm saying and so i specialize in the science uh and the bible clearly depicts a flat stationary earth and if that's wrong guys that undermines a lot of the credibility and all the other provisions in the gospel and so this is one of the reasons i think it's so important the heliocentric fable of a spinning tilted testicle orbiting a giant fireball creates a misunderstanding of god's creation to misunderstand god's creation creates a naturally associated misunderstanding of the god and who he is so god has shown man his character through creation and if man has a misunderstanding of god's creation he will if so fact he'll have a misunderstanding of who god is and if he believes in a creation that doesn't exist he also believes in a creator that doesn't exist so it's essential to have an accurate understanding of creation that's why i do these debates there are two groups of people guys people that god is calling to him through truth and his word and people that god is not calling to him with truth and his word it says those who have eyes to see will see those who have ears to hear will hear and uh guys i've debated them all nasa employees land surveyors phd astrophysicists it's gonna be like shooting fish in a barrel so uh let's get started with the back and forth but if i still have time james do i still have time uh short very short amount of time excellent so uh he said um i you know the where's your evidence of the globe between you just basically the whole time assumed a flatter told everyone to go to your website and then did some math about how the sun doesn't work on a flatter and then the other gentleman says it's really really really big so your argument is we know it's a globe because it looks so flat cool story then he says uh spaces row guys people have been to space only 500 people out of all the countries have ever been to space uh and by the way i just showed it's all cartoons so if you think they traveled to narnia because people told you that they went there well i'm sorry steven but you're gullible and then he said uh a magical moment nobody's seen it i mean what do you mean nobody's seen it we have sun dogs and halos sprites mushroom clouds atmospheric pressure uh star trails the sky is a map and a clock what do you mean nobody's ever seen it have you ever gone outside at night and looked up okay so this is a joke this really is a joke i'm really excited for the back and forth um let's get it started gotcha we will jump into the open dialogue then want to say thanks so much everybody for your questions and we will let her rip so here we go uh so i did i did present evidence actually you just you didn't look at it it's on my website mc2.net slash mdd uh i presented as background the measurements of the radius of the earth the law of gravitational attraction wait wait can we do one thing at a time wait wait wait there's just four i'm just i'll just give you these four the measurement of earth's rotation and the measurements of atmospheric effects um i i that was the the the base layer of everything then i then i did an experiment i went out and i did my own measurements and and tested to see if the earth could be flat and found that it could not so that that was what i did i and looking at the sun absolutely yep oh okay so instead of looking at the floor mc2 to find out if the floor is flat you looked at the sun and did some yes wow yes i absolutely so is have you ever considered looking at the floor instead of sure sure i have but that was the one that i chose for today because it was something that we spoke of in november oh right but yeah you don't think there's a lot there's a lot of them so so the here's the thing though i presented evidence with with a ton of links that if people are on the website right now they're seeing all the evidence that i presented and so far you've claimed told people to go to your website and then said on the website that you measured the radius how did you measure the radius mc2 let's give a plenty of time to respond oh i did not measure the i cited measurements of the radius right haven't cited anything you cited your website yeah it's on my website okay what's the evidence that's on your website since i'm not going to your website and this is a debate and you're here to present evidence for your cartoon tilted testicle you believe in that spinning in the background of your room wait actually mc2 what is the radius what is the radius yeah 6356 uh sorry six million three thousand oh my gosh i'll do in kilometers for you right 6356 kilometers okay yeah i know i just want to know if it's right on the website so how much curvature downward from the shoreline in all directions if we're on a ball mc2 would that produce let's say over one mile uh but you go ahead and figure that out if you need i i don't know why why that matters oh okay well so um one of my arguments was that you just looked at the sky to figure out what the floor is and then i asked yeah and and so what what's the floor and what's wrong what's wrong with looking at the sky why can triangulation not well it's just a funny place to start because if i was going to try to figure out what the floor is i would look at the floor first mc2 and please yeah let me i'll let you say everything you want to say all right and then just let me talk when you're done go ahead so well the reason that we look at the sky is because the earth is really really big we can't do all those measurements off the earth if you're wanting to look and try angulate stuff to get the measurements sure i can look at the floor for a short distance but that short distance doesn't produce what you're looking for steven he keeps saying the earth is really really big uh do you know how big it is roughly 25 000 miles in circumference all right and if we're on a ball 24 901 miles around in circumference since mc2 can't answer how much drop should we see after one mile in inches or feet roughly 7.7 inches 7.7 inches so almost two-thirds of a foot in one mile let's see that's your problem you're still looking at inches and miles and stuff like that what you need to do is look at you just told me inches you said it was 7.7 inches great does that get and then he wants to go into degrees let's let him finish Nathan a drop that can be measured in inches or feet tangent to your feet let's give him plenty of time to respond now you're still going with the eight inches per mile squared right that that's your curvature math unfortunately that still does not map out a globe and you still haven't got that through your head i've seen you in many debates and people have told you that that is not right why do you keep going back to it steven you just told me that the drop after one mile would be 7.7 inches and then tried to tell me yeah that's why it worked inches distance Nathan and you still don't get that you can interrupt me too you don't like hearing when i speak the truth i don't interrupt you i don't think you're interrupting anything you did ask him a question to be fair okay so uh i'm wrong about eight inches but you're right about 7.7 inches you're still looking at a short scale you just came in man if the earth is a ball if there's a ball okay it has to have a curve bro okay it's the necessitation of the geometry of a spherical earth this isn't debatable you can't just say it's big and henway dismiss it there's a necessitation of a physical obstruction known as a geometric horizon we know the rate it causes obstruction so it being big is irrelevant to that problem that you have yeah it could be really big and flat or really big and a globe but you haven't presented any evidence for either so we have we have toon has assumed a flat earth and then talked about the sun okay so and no you haven't measured earth radius earth center is allegedly 9 000 degrees hotter than the surface of the sun how did you get down there to measure it mctoon are you not aware of other ways of measuring thing this isn't elementary school nathan people can measure things in other ways than just bringing a tape measure to it that's how adults function man so i'm talking i'm talking okay so so so to measure the radius of the earth there's a lot of ways that people have done it so i can bring up the actual uh document that i was that that i really like it's the the principal arcs of the meridian the parallel and the oblique arcs um it's actually it's called the transcontinental triangulation and the american arc of the parallel right so this is a measurement of the radius of the earth okay are you going to go into detail on that or just read us sure they they well it's it's a it's a detailed thousand page document that they did summarize it for us mctoon yeah i'm sorry could you add hum me a little more there buddy so uh they they measured uh they measured uh the arc across across the united states on the 39th latitude and they used a meridian from canada all the way down to mexico a line of longitude all the way down to mexico and they use those measurements the distance that they got from that right and they they they use that with with celestial positioning at both points as well as both ends as well as several points along uh the measurement there to to make sure that their measurements were correct these were these were land surveyors so they did that it's complicated and they came out with the radius now here's the cool thing people did it in india people did it in the uk people have done it in south america and they get the same numbers mctoon you said they measured the arc across the united states our people in india and people in the uk measuring the arc across the united states and also how did they do that they measured it across uh their country of course not across the united states oh okay and so how did they measure the arc across the 3000 mile across united states buddy i i talked to they they they they got the the point on one side right they use celestial navigation to to pinpoint their position on one side they did the same on the other side the sky to measure absolutely yeah yeah no is there is there evidence that do you have evidence that the sky could not be used to measure the i asked you how they measured the radius of the earth and then you're going to tell me they measured across the united states using the sky to determine the measurement for the center of the earth do you realize how big your clown shoes have to be and how red your nose is right now dude are you joking sorry nathan that this is how adults measure things is this a joke measure anything that's called a deduction you hold on hold on i'm responding austin austin zip it i'm responding okay this is how adults do don't anything we gotta give them a chance to respond nathan okay go ahead okay so if you don't like it if you think there's an error in it you're welcome to look at it i've already provided you the link austin i provided you the link months ago you probably didn't look at it right these this is how people that are professionals do it that was awesome so so a refutation of it isn't just hand waving and zero evidence it would be actual information finding flaws in their measurements not just saying i don't like it it's the wrong way to do it uh it's presupposing blah blah no actual finding the issues the problems the methodology problems and pinpointing them in in an intellectual way so far you just have hand waving so go ahead so i respond now okay so for anyone that's watching and isn't a moron they understand that you actually don't even understand what you're invoking right now you just say it's a thousand pages and you think that's going to woo someone but it doesn't and so we've already pointed out the issues you're depending on the celestial alignments to measure across the united states and then presupposing the nature of those celestial alignments and the nature of the earth and then confine that into said measurements that were derived from presuppositions so that's correct i don't have to find some type of issue with the way that you mathematically deduced that because the foundation requires the presupposition of the very nature of the earth which is in question yeah and so when we ask mick cartoon about his measurements for the radius of earth and he says things guys like well there are a lot of ways to do it what he means is there's a lot of ways to presuppose the floor and presuppose what the sky is and then do math and pretend that that tells you how deep the center of the earth is but that's not a measurement that's a deduction and it's really just evidence and proof that mick tunis scientifically illiterate or lying and thinks you guys are all that stupid okay straight up all right so i'll just put you down for no evidence presented on your this is your positive claim of evidence okay and i'm saying if it requires a presupposition to prove that it is invalid you're trying to burn the cartoon and that's not because it's your you didn't even you didn't even look at the the evidence presented so thank you very much document that you stumbled to summarize and when you summarized it you said they looked at the sky decided what the floor is and then did math to the center of the earth okay so do you have to bring evidence together that's a joke we are going to nathan we're gonna let's give him some time now to respond so do you do you have evidence that that would not work nathan you just you just mock using that method but you didn't present evidence you claim that it won't work that's your positive claim but then you didn't present evidence that it would not work you just how do you know the distances of the lights in the sky the celestial alignment can you don't need to know the distances how do you know the nature of what's in the sky how do you know it's relative let's give him a chance to answer each question so to celestial navigation works so if you don't think that's enough celestial navigation works there's no discussion with you because it works um i'm not going to bother presenting that that's that's uh pretty silly that wasn't my question anyway yeah well you asked a whole bunch of questions of trying to you know question the nature of celestial navigation um so sorry uh i'm not going to go down that silly place because people have been using it as nathan has said for centuries to navigate to find their position on the globe let me clarify this maybe a little simpler then okay how do you correlate what's in the sky celestial alignments to validating your claim of physical curvature on the terrain of the earth just saying they did it here's some mathematical constructs based on my presupposition will only persuade those really wanting to believe in your fate okay so uh they it sounds like you don't think that celestial navigation works oh that's not what he said let me clarify first centuries as you stated they've been navigating with the sky because we are not on a tilted testicle blasting through space but you claim they determine physical curvature of the earth based on the stars austin wants to know how they did that was that clear yes so they they they pinpointed their position on the surface of the earth using the stars on one side of the the country and on the other side of the country then they measured that distance between there right that gave them the percentage of the this uh the arc of of the sphere that they are going that they're uh measuring multiply that use sine cosine and you get the distance around the equator how did they look at two star stars above each coast and then measure the distance between them and that's not what they did there's an they measured their position on one side using celestial navigation techniques they measured their position on the other side using celestial navigation techniques then they measured the distance uh using surveying techniques which is not looking at the sky that's just triangulation right you're surveying techniques to measure 3 000 miles across the united states absolutely oh really and you guys have all that data yes it's in the book 3 000 miles across and what instruments did they use to measure use the idol the idolites is is their main angle measuring device got you and how far were they able to measure and then stop and reposition their fatality out of life and then measure and stop and reposition their fatality well it is all in the book but uh they uh um i mean you read it right some of them yeah we know we're all in there we know it's a thousand pages mctoon i'm asking you for answers yeah while i was giving it to you before you're telling us it's all in the book let's give them a chance to respond nathan let him finish i'll tell you i mean it's okay we're still waiting uh nathan all right i will i will uh i'll share this here so let's see here he's saying that they drove with the idolites across the united states guys just i want everyone to hear this yeah they don't take they don't take into a that's house that's how surveyors do it yeah mcqueen you have to take into account topography the idolites will rely on the presupposition of the horizon being physical occurrence in addition to that i'm sorry hold on they're they're not they're not measuring the horizon they're measuring from point to point you you said they're presupposing the horizon what are they using that what are they using to measure it they're using the idolites to measure angles from other points not the horizon the horizon is not part of it okay and so what they do is they look in the sky and then that substantiates your claim of physicality of terra firma being curved no that they they look in the sky to get their starting point and ending point right once they've got their starting point and ending point so they know exactly the coordinates that they are on the earth then they're not using that anymore then they're just using surveying techniques and triangulation when it says angles and all that stuff mcqueen are they just talking about the sky no none of this is sky this is point to point so you can see here at the top is this big rocks and then sims and then coal so these are these are different stations that they're measuring from okay and then observing right and so here's the yeah the angles and the distances and meters so here's what what are the angles for are they using more celestial navigation i keep telling you they're not looking at the sky can you get that through your head they're not looking at the sky hold on you said earlier celestial navigation to prove they measured the distance to the center of the earth so now to measure the distance of the earth guys okay oh hold on there's this straw manning this straw manning is a little tough here they did not measure the distance to the center of the earth they're measuring the radius of the earth that's a different thing so if you look here it says big rocks and then there's an angle i'm talking the center of the eighth and he just said the radius isn't anything we let's give him a chance to respond all right so big rocks 50 degrees 46 minutes 43.96 seconds that's the angle between uh sims and coal that's the other two points right so they measured to sims they measured to coal from big rock so they got that angle then they went to sims and they measured their angle between big rocks and coal then they went to coal and measured the angle between big rocks and sims right now here's the cool thing right if you see over here the cool thing is you can verify all that hold on Nathan the cool thing would be you verified it let's let's let's give him a chance to finish no this is part of the religion guys this is the obfuscation yeah we can't stop interrupting we can't interrupt back and forth debate and to be fair to be fair mccain interrupts me three times let's let's give him just a little bit longer i promise we'll come right back to you Nathan and Austin so that's how they they they measure the the triangulation it's point to point so these often are on towers or are they're on top of hills or something like that and uh they they measure the angles sometimes it's done at night so they can they can see things especially the longer distances so oops i jumped off of there the cool thing the cool thing is all of these triangles all of these triangles have a little thing here where they add up to more than 180 degrees every single one of them adds up to more than 180 degrees you can see this one here this is a pretty small triangle it's point one arc seconds right i can jump down to some others here that are bigger triangles because across the the western part of the united states when they went mount top to mount top because they can do peak to peak stuff like that and get a lot farther every one of them is also has a hundred more than 180 degrees now here's the deal on a flat surface every triangle measures 180 degrees on on a sphere every triangle measures more than 180 degrees it's an absolute necessity so if these added up to 180 exactly earth's flat if they measure more than 180 earth is not flat hey mctoon all of these more than 180 degrees we're at nathan and uh austin thanks for your patience yeah have you verified any of this religious scripture you're presenting today mctoon here's this all secondhand evidence that they did because you keep saying they they they and i don't know who they i don't trust them is this is this the genetic fallacy you're going with no i'm going with the have you verified anything you're saying to the audience mctoon i'll go with genetic fallacy there yeah just denying evidence no just ignore the question this just numbers on a chalkboard bro you think we're stupid you think we're that gullible i've been across the u.s i've been a salt lake i've been to the salt and sea i've been to lake paunch train i've been to lake michigan they're all flat measurably flat you can see chicago from the other side of lake michigan with your eyeballs i don't need a bunch of guys they they they to tell me where i live i'm not a globehead i'm not mctoon i don't point people to my website i've been doing the research and my own observations for five years so you have measurements of flatness you're the one who says it's so big it looks flat bro you're out of the debate you don't even have anything to say okay i want to know what your measurements of flatness are you said you've measured it so where's your measure don't measure flatness you look for curve and realize it's flat okay if the earth was curving downward you said out of your globehead mouth it would be seven point seven inches of drop over one mile now does that get exponentially bigger or is that logarithmic globehead all right so do you have actual measurements because so far i'm talking to steven you're part of it no evidence presented so far so no geodetic surveying done over earth not accounting for topography relying on the base presupposition of celestial alignment does not in any way validate your physical claim of curvature mctoon mathematical constructs are just that's mathematical constructs i've seen an equation explain how superman can fly that's such a cool story we're looking for empirical verifiable evidence of your claim of physicality of the earth curving not mathematical constructs built off presuppositions not accounting for topography and then creating it within the confinement of said presuppositions so we will readdress this before you went through your whole little yep yep so everything mctoon said thank you for addressing that on semen it's all garbage steven uh does that get exponentially larger is that logarithmic i'm still waiting on your measurements you said you had measurements i want your measurements i told you i went looking for curvature and couldn't find any you told me the curvature was seven point seven inches so i'm waiting to hear how much curvature i should have seen steven according to your math if you said you had measurements i want to see your measurements okay we stood at one side of the salt and sea do you know it's 17 miles from one side of the salt and sea to the other at the location we were at so at 17 miles steven according to your globe earth curve math how much downward drop tangent to our feet should we have seen you said it was seven point seven inches at one mile i assume that gets exponentially bigger because it's right steven yeah but aren't you accounting for direction are you gonna tell us the physical numerical value for earth drop tangent to our feet if it's seven point seven inches at one mile and i don't why would why would you hold up they're variables i'm 17 miles away how much would earth drop tangent why would we give you tangent to your feet that's not what we see all right it only makes sense to we don't see it drop at all you're right we don't see a drop at all that's what i'm trying to get to okay but your you see don't obfuscate i'm talking to steven i can talk to you after mctoon if you want steven how much drop should we see at 17 miles i'm not gonna answer this because you don't nathan you got a little measurement i want to know your measurements what are your measurements you said you took measurements nathan you have to let him finish nathan he's not saying anything he won't answer my questions and he just demands that i give him answer if you if you want to argue that he didn't say anything you can do that but you got just let him finish and then you can come at him i'm answering his question and he doesn't know his own you have not answered my question you have not provided me into this five years ago buddy when do you have measurements because there is no measurements of flatness i told you i went looking for curve and there was no curve now i'm asking you that word for us you've asserted that it was measurably flat so where's your measurements of flatness i was at lake poncho train i was at the salton sea i was at lake michigan i don't care where you were okay i want to measure well you could go ahead go pull up google earth look at photos from one side of lake michigan to the other and you can see the entire skyline of chicago from 50 miles there's also a famous photo called jump from josh you and wiki hold on let's see it i know you want to see it i know you want to interrupt i know you can't sit there quietly and you have impulse nobody interrupts more than you so shut up steven you don't know how much curve your tilted cartoon testicle should have you're done okay you say it's really really really big no i'm just holding you to your plane you said you had measurements and you don't have any measurements no no wait time out time out steven you don't seem to understand measurements of flatness what are you talking about okay you measure distances if it's flat you can see over those distances you would measure the curvature you do understand that right it's like show me a measurement for no curve how do you show someone nothing okay i'm telling you the curve isn't there i ask you how much curve there should be and you just obfuscate and pretend like i won't answer your questions because you're just a globe earth cry baby measurements of flatness that is not how it works dude you have a positive claim of physical curve you have to substantiate that so stop asking me did that you have the positive claim of flatness you've not presented any evidence all you've done is said i couldn't find it i was at this lake and this lake and this lake where's your citation show me the picture show me the picture of uh from josh winnewicki where the entire shoreline and lake shore drive is visible the entire line and lake shore drive so still that's what you said all you said the entire shoreline is visible are you done let's see the entire shoreline visible from the other side of lake michigan if i said shoreline i misspoke i meant skyline of chicago oh the entire skyline skyline what's the rest of it being obstructed by steven wants to know are you done steven no i'm not continually if you saw the skyline what was the rest of it obstructed by maybe you're not paying attention but let me break it down for you okay at 50 miles according to your cartoon globe math the entire skyline should have been hidden by earth curve physical obstruction earth curve all right mctoon you disagree at 60 miles how much should earth curve at 60 miles or math and what's the observer height love doing observer height is six feet we were standing at the shoreline with tripods your feet were wet we were standing at the shoreline with tripod so your feet were wet yes or no do you have feet have to be wet to stand at the shoreline or could they because the waves the waves would be lapping up there oh really okay but lakes don't always have waves just like they don't have tides mctoon sometimes it's a still pond and then you see what's called a specular reflection which is a perfect mirror image of what's in the background because the surface it's not convex sure okay so let's see this picture let's see the picture you haven't seen joshy winnewicki's famous photo you said you did it get up what yeah you did it yeah i did it too that's all on my youtube i mean you guys can go look it up you don't believe me you think i've provided links you think i'm buying claims you provided links to giant pdf documents that you don't even fully understand and you're banking on the consensus being accurate thus there's where you're against iraq mctoon you you've provided nothing about yeah you nothing we have no positive claims that's what you're the you have made positive claims but just give me one sec we uh we are going to reset let's just reset the conversation to where this might be an opportunity to explore a different topic so we might be able to reset this chaos with a new topic sure but i do just gotta say man like mctoon bro you can't cry about people interrupting yet and every time i speak i get maybe one sentence in and you implode okay so maybe you should let me talk if you want people not to interrupt you it's ridiculous it's like the fourth time every time i've spoken you just spiral okay y'all say that the earth doesn't move at all right there's no one the earth rotates a thousand interruption there the question mic cartoon okay said you guys say the earth doesn't rotate did you not hear that are you not paying attention too much over there okay let's keep going you say the earth doesn't tilt and doesn't rotate do you know what the solstices are even do you know you tell us the solstices are when the sun is at the northern and southern most point usually in june and december can't tell you exact days things 21st and december uh i don't remember the december one however when the earth is rotating because that's what it does when it's at the summer solstice june 21st the northern most point the center of the sun goes over the traffic of cancer correct damn man do you want me to answer this because i can just answer in 10 seconds it's called northern and southern declination path of the sun expands and contracts around polar center that's why we have seasons and solstices and equinoxes and people believe we have alternating seasons but we don't we fawn on floors much different drastic temperature variations that's how it all works on a flat earth i know you haven't done any research but what are you getting at is this some kind of proof that you're spending a thousand miles an hour is asking us about solstices do you think this is proof on the summer solstice nathan do you agree that the sun its path travels around the tropic of cancer are you going to get to the point bro series i want your answer first okay yes and one of the equinoxes travels around the tropic of capricorn on the other equinox travels around the tropic of cancer okay i just said that the earth does not tilt tell me why in 1917 these tropic of capricorn was right at let me get the exact measurements here for you because i have them saved are you gonna say 66.6 degrees north and 66.6 degrees south because that's what the tropic of cancer and tropic capricorn are just so you know buddy no it's not the tropic of cancer was at right at 23 degrees and 27 minutes north in the year 1917 however because of the tilt of the earth the fact that it wobbles on its axis it actually drops 0.47 arc seconds per year did you know that yeah have you verified any of this i don't have to personally oh yeah you don't have to you just finally believe everything in a pdf document like mic cartoon did earlier excellent we love you guys roll you guys are crushing in keep hey man hey let me help you out bro let me help you out bro you're making a positive claim you're making a positive claim of axial rotation bro okay so you're gonna have to substantiate that pointing at the sky and saying i promise this happens because the earth's a magic tilted ball on a 66.6 degree tilt subtracted from 90 degrees which is where you get a 66 so i have this magic cartoon we don't need you to just presuppose it bro we like when you look in the sky it moves okay your claiming causality being axial rotation although the default position would be that it's stationary you have the burden of proof can you substantiate terra firma spinning and rotating on an axis or are you just going to point to the sky and say i promise that's why the sky moves i'm telling you that the wobble of the earth on its axis is the reason why the tropic of cancer and the tropic of catricorn have moved positions and the sun now goes over a different position on the earth so you didn't actually listen when i said you can't just presuppose causality presupposing here yeah you are the cause happens because of tilt sorry Austin go ahead bro we will have to probably do we can do a little more discussion but probably not too much longer than we have to get to the questions because we have a lot of questions and uh so we can keep going with discussion but not for particularly much longer okay do we have any uh can we any one of you uh offer us a demonstration in which uh gas pressure can exist without being physically contained here locally on earth without presupposing your fairy tale oh yeah gravity does it okay you have to reify gravity and then beg the nature i've presented 13 measurements of gravity no you haven't hey didn't i just say you can't presuppose your fairy tale dude i said do you have anything we can do and replicate via observation locally on earth without presupposing your fairy tale it's not presupposed it's a measurement uh i've i've already substantiated i've i've already substantiated the claim that gravity mass to mass attraction exists it's on my website people can go there mc2 mc2 net net slash g you have to let him respond thank you thank you nathan that's not even a current rhetoric current rhetoric is maybe i need to do this don't make me do this need to do what do it i want to i want to we need a chance to hear from mc toon nick toon needs some help he's suffering he's suffering from this nathan's got a little bit of this going on right now but mc2 and i asked you a point blank question man stop monologuing about your fairy tale df5 force can you answer the question specifically do you have a demonstration we can replicate locally on earth that will show that you can have gas pressure without physical containment or do you have to presuppose and reify your fairy tale and you're directly yeah yeah let's do absolutely uh in in nuclear centrifuges they use sodium hex not sodium um uranium hexafluoride which is a gas and they put it into centrifuges right and they spin it and on the outside it's inside a container right and on the outside of it its pressure is higher than on the inside of it so then they pull out the lower uh the the less massive gas from the center of it put it on into the next centrifuge so there you go there's a gas pressure caused by a force did you just now did you just now invoke a demonstration with a container to express to me that you can have gas pressure without a container i heard you didn't ask about a container i heard it yeah you didn't ask about a container i said physical containment oh okay so um i i don't know why you think that physical containment is so critical um that's not uh yeah what why do you think that a physical container is necessary for all observation observations show us that so you're making a claim contrary to all observable phenomena and existence so we would need you to substantiate the even potentiality of that but tim i don't just just because you've not seen it before that means it can't happen what is your container what all cartoons what is your physical container uh look man i'm not sure if you're aware how intellectual form works okay but you're making a positive claim contrary to all observable phenomena you have the burden of proof to substantiate potentiality of your postulation we don't shift the burden of proof over to where we can't legally travel so are you making the claim contrary to all you're making a claim contrary to observable phenomena the necessary antecedent to gas pressure being physical containment without you reifying your belief system oh can you give us something you can replicate a physical container what is your physical container i'm asking you to prove your positive claim and you're shifting the burden of proof over to something that is literally not possible for me to know the answer to good one steven another ace in the hole broke keep using that one buddy you're gonna get far dude okay i'll answer for you guys the answer is no you can't there isn't an observation that can be replicated locally on earth and what you can have gas pressure without the necessary antecedent to physical containment that is the answer you invoked gravity and then you use the outdated rhetoric the current scientific rhetoric is that gravity is the effect of warp space time the theory of relativity right makes three claims that attributes a positive speed of light right a constant speed to light says energy mass interchangable and then gravity is the effect of warp space time as the current scientific rhetoric so you're saying that that is causing the replacement for physical containment and you're conceding that you can't replicate it without reifying your belief is that correct so so you know well here's the thing you've made in a positive claim that the necessary antecedent for gas pressure is physical containment please present your evidence for that all gas pressure that's ever existed has physical containment so i know present your evidence that that's the only way right well you would have to make a you would have to present evidence contrary to all observable phenomena no sorry present your evidence that that that this new law of of physics that nobody's heard of before apparently you guys law of thermodynamics mcdonnell oh cool where in the second law of thermodynamics does it say that please set your systems move towards low pressure systems it's called entropy that's that's happening us show us when this doesn't happen is what we're telling you mcdonnell okay i got that happens and then you said no no it does happen look if you put this stuff in a container and then austin and i just about fell out of our chair laughing that's what happens so all right so i got that so you said high pressure moves to low pressure right so yeah at the surface of the earth 14.7 psi uh up at the top of Mount Everest one-tenth of that why did the pressure not move to that lower pressure system why is there pressure in the first place is the question i'm sorry i'm sorry you're you're deflection there i'm wondering how is it how is it that there's this pressure differential there's pressure yeah and the necessary antecedent to pressure is a container yeah you said that but you haven't supported that claim that's your positive assertion that you have not seen her on earth yeah so i'm still waiting for your your evidence of that that somehow it's in the second law of thermodynamics that you're not able to suck all right quit that's strange so that's back to are you doing that's back to no evidence no evidence provided second law of thermodynamics is a law but but you've not us you've not substantiated your claim i have to second law of thermodynamics laws are you signed to let's let's hold on we do have to let me do have to let him answer no you need to substantiate your positive claim that the necessary antecedent for gas pressure is physical containment that's your positive claim that you are absolutely refusing to substantiate i love it and right on my website i wrote no evidence provided again you guys are you guys are over 10 years so far with the positive you're always being dismantled lifetime and you're spiraling but here's the deal our proof is listen listen listen carefully all observable phenomenon of gloony tennis i don't know where the disconnect is here all means except i cited one of observable phenomena shows us the necessary antecedent to gas pressure is physical containment it's in the word pressure bro presses on the walls of a container any definition because the word is in there wall of a container excellent you're making a claim i'm almost done you're making a claim contrary to all observable phenomena so you need to prove that it's even possible for that to happen okay yes so so you're hold on he asked me nathan so he said you've guys have both said the necessary antecedent is a physical containment so here's the deal i have no problem with containment and there's multiple ways to contain for example with a force other than a physical container so can you substantiate that a force cannot contain you don't have to prove this is your positive and you're claiming something wait let me just break this down for the viewer because i don't think lewitton even knows his claim really but so gravity relative to the earth has a singular vector you should probably pay attention so it has a singular vector yet you're claiming that it stops the dispersal of gas in all directions in addition when you let gas out the surface level it goes in all directions where according to your little religion would be the strongest force of gravity yet when it gets way further away from the surface level all of a sudden it flips the switch on and gravity works so even if we give you the presupposition of your dfi little force which is now in effect not even a force known as gravity it doesn't answer the question of the singular vector in which is imposed relative to the earth and why it doesn't work on the surface level but turns on much further in addition you can't even substantiate gravity so can you address any of that thing uh so you didn't you didn't support your your you didn't support your assertion so thank you i'll leave it at no evidence you're going to want to absurd it's next to our atmosphere we're saying no that doesn't happen it violates a law of thermodynamics there's your there's another positive claim for you to support there you go it violates one right it violates all right nathan you all cannot substantiate a single positive claim that you all have made but we have to try again no we have hey listen steven you're not where is your container steven you're making a positive claim of specificity okay circumference radius axial rotation a pressurized system adjacent to a near perfect vacuum sphericity sphericity of the moon sphericity of celestial bodies orbital trajectory you're making a very positive claim of specificity okay we are saying that based on observable phenomena the necessary antecedents to gas pressure is physical containment based on the natural law of second law of thermodynamics you have to substantiate the potentiality of your postulation bro and you have to think that there is a physical container uh the gas pressure not your fault that you don't accept the way that physics works that's ironic because you're literally making a claim contrary to a natural law of physics oh there's your positive claim that you cannot support uh all you keep making these claims you keep making these claims but you refuse to support them thank you very much let's all it now let's go to an or to find your dome these guys yeah i'll support the claim with all observable phenomena for the fifth time yeah well let's go to an or to confound your dome no i don't want to go on a date with you i wanted proof we live on a ball and you didn't have any so this debate's over we should move on to sort of navigated you don't accept that we've given you measurements you don't accept that we've taken pictures with a physical camera we and developed them in a dark room you don't accept that i mean what would you accept Nathan you deny everything you have no positive proof you deny everything that is presented to you and you just act like a complete jackass for everyone to see all the time with nothing to say yeah we'll see who's eating crow in the end won't we and we'll see who's laughing last won't we ah sure will we maybe we have not given any proof we might jump into the old question and answer pretty quick here sounds like everybody's ready am i is that fair to say can i can i can i um yeah can i put one challenge in for the q and a for you all right um uh different you know questions will be addressed to different ones of us could i challenge all four of us if the question is directed to us that that we make sure that we directly answer the question um and not deflect to the you know the other model right so does this work on how does this work for you it doesn't work it and rather than the answer being well it doesn't work on the other one it'd be here's how it works on on my model right and if if we don't if i don't if everybody doesn't how about whatever that super chat is we double that super chat give it to your favorite charity james no i don't live based on the confinements of your little roles dude i don't know what you think this is but but tune do you agree that the falsification of your model is independent of replacement uh no but you've not falsified anything because you've not provided any evidence you don't agree that the falsification of your model is independent of replacement you would have to falsify something first yeah we falsified your radius these guys are actors bro you can't even answer a question if we falsify your model we don't have you haven't presented any evidence you can't falsify evidence wait i'm out for the viewer for the viewer at home i debated mctune one time i did present evidence called the black swan for one foot observer height you can see over nine and a half miles where the geometric horizon should be no further than 1.2 miles making the globe earth have to have a radius of 250 000 miles approximately to have that observation he's going to that just before the quick q and a dude you couldn't go one debate without saying black swan no i'm saying i have i was making the point to the viewer you say that you never get evidence i gave evidence and in that debate that wasn't i totally ruined your evidence in that debate mctune showed a picture of the horizon and said this is the curve of then like 10 minutes later and i quote we never see the geometric horizon that is pretty funny yeah so anyway james people pay money for the super chats and for somebody to go and not answer the question directly is pretty disrespectful to the person that you answer the questions how you want to answer your questions and then shut the hell up when i well but nathan to me but nathan you were sassy tonight i i think that it would be good nathan like there's nothing wrong with saying you'll try your best to directly answer a question like why that's not much to ask even if it was just a normal like standard question that wasn't a super chat right bro i've done a dozen debates on your channel i'll sit here for hours and hours and hours and answer every single question these globes have in detail and explain why it doesn't work on their model because i'm that detailed and that efficient sometimes lights and that's gotta change colors that's a direct quote from you so i think i think what we could do is i don't mind if you say cool story bro if they're like making fun of your appearance or something nathan but the other ones i would it's like ideally we would love and i for everybody all all four we always love if a guest will try to take the question on straight on so thanks so much for your super chat appreciate it from our dearest friend andreas el let me know his pronounce forgive me so shut up and take my money thanks for that support dwayne berg thanks for your super chat said nathan and fight the flat earth are best friends and have sleepovers learn something new every day jail warren thanks for your super chat said looks like natalie fell for the alt f4 trick once again nathan did you fall for that gosh dwayne berg thanks for your super chat says steven steen is still my dad even if the earth is flat thanks for that dwayne berg thanks for your other super chat who said picks of my feet for a dollar first come first served appreciate that i mc tune looks excited next up thanks for your super chat from tim prior says what's the hold up we had all sorts of tech issues and nathan's fault but thanks for your i'm kidding it was i think it was like an internet connection problem we had we had all sorts of stuff going on it wasn't actually nathan at all nathan showed up relatively on time thanks for your super jet tim prior said let's get ready to rumble no just joking let's get ready to be entertained by nathan's stupidity gosh nathan no response you're not even giving people the satisfaction of responding okay bitwise 79 thanks for your super chat said today we're debating cats versus dogs and we're starting right meow very clever i like that i love cats by the way king zero two four days for your super chat said question for mc tune they say so we don't have to hear any more rubbish spill from nathan's mouth please explain to us why an equatorial mount only works on a spherical earth oh that's i love that one that's complicated for a lot of people if you don't know about how they work on on the the the um what you do is you point it up at the north star of the south or the south north celestial pole south celestial pole and you lock it in there uh based on your latitude right then what happens is it only moves in one uh one axis of freedom and that can only work on a sphere because uh because of where you are on the surface of a sphere and the angle that you are to the north celestial pole or south celestial pole got just a little more complicated for the other one i don't think you're having a pleasure and thanks for your super chat from our dearest friend bitwise 79 says oh i got that one that's embarrassing we already did that one next up is from the mastodonian thanks for your super chat says natalie explained 24 hours of sun in antartica summer yeah i would submit your big in the question i've been running that group for five years 134 000 members nobody has independently verified we have 24 hour sun in the south there might be 24 hour daylight but that just shows that we live in some sort of caustic cup in the light you know that could be what's happening so you have no evidence of 24 hour sun in antartica and there's like two videos on the internet it's like cartoon sun bouncing around the background it's a total joke so until we independently verify that i don't have to answer that question i've never seen evidence that that happens and i'm not like just denying evidence i mean we've gone to the north and recorded a 24 hour sun in the north that very obviously happens all the time well not all year long but it happens quite often so see it now it's not verifiable so i don't have to answer to you how that happens why don't you go do it dude hello why don't you go there why don't you go do it because i've been so busy because because you you'd reject it if i did it as you know while you put together a website based on stuff and you have us from the 1800s we must keep moving raven zero thanks for your super chat said nathan have you considered maybe you were just wrong yeah i hope to god i was wrong i actually talked about that in my introduction maybe you weren't here weren't paying attention but i don't want to be a flat earth or i really don't care what the shape of the earth is i just want to know the truth and i want other people to have the opportunity to know the truth and of course there's going to be bozo the clowns out there that deny the truth even though it's right in front of them but those who have eyes to see will see and those who have ears to hear will hear gotcha and jl warren thanks for your super chat said nathan still so broke he can't even pay attention oh okay thanks for your super chat kang 024 or kango 24 thanks for your super jet said question for mc tune so we don't have to listen to did we get this already did that one no they did it it's the same setup but it's just uh it's so they say so we don't have to listen anymore rubbish from the two dummies this time oh it's a different one then they say can you please tell us how a fiber optic euro works is this gyro it's gyro gyro that one gets a fiber optic gyro all right it splits uh a laser is on it it goes through a partially mirrored crystal splits it in two directions the light goes around in opposite directions and then is recombined once it's gone around there's other orientations and ways to do it um uh when when that rotates the path gets longer one direction than the other and when it recombines the light there is rather than having the light waves line up on top of each other there's a there's a diffraction uh that happens and it's measured uh that when the actual device physically rotates it measures that and the cool thing is it measures earth's rotation thanks pre pre supposed calls out gotcha and thanks for your super chat from dearest friend jl warren oh we got that one that's embarrassing stevenstein says mc loon is a fraud long live mc flatty thank you for that oh mc flatty is terrible that guy's that guy's he's the he's got to be he's got to be the worst flat earther is mc flatty is he is he really is he there's a really appreciate and mc flatty yeah yeah next don't don't don't go subscribe to him like i must see now tim prior thanks for your super chat says placing bats who wants to bet nathan does not address any of his evidence and just brings up stupid stuff that happened yeah says the guy who didn't say anything substantive the whole time yeah didn't say any of next up glober mom me thanks for your super chat said nathan can you please act like an adult for once and not like an immature child thanks next up and on that note if you got a ship in a bottle what is that okay next need it's a fermented honey and this one was made with blackberries raspberries um and blueberries that's right you're really you're in the health kick right nathan sent me pictures that's how i get the abs yes thank you nathan that's what everybody was waiting for thanks for your super chat from tim prior said this is why nathan remains ignorant doesn't even look like he's even paying attention you had a guy who took 30 minutes to solve a rubik's cube takes like three minutes to do that are you joking me i did it three times too next up king oh two four thanks for your super chat says question for emcee tune please save us from any more verbal diarrhea from tweedle d and tweedle dumber for the education of the audience please explain why sunset proves spherical earth uh well i i did i did address that in the beginning because i measured it but yeah the the sun if we take a a sun fixed coordinate system the the earth rotating uh there's a big old a spherical thing in the way uh that's how it works gotcha and thanks for your super chat from michael dresden our local troll says lol glober laying in his bed trying to be seductive believe that's directed at you steven you do look more seductive than usual steven very good next up thank you for your super so um are you like are you laying down steven just like take it she's like ah rest in you know it's easy going i like it i'm sitting up just laying in gotcha i might lay down i think it's time for me to like stretch across this recliner but thanks for your super chat king oh two four says emcee tune that they do it again please save us from any more parroting of nathan oak giley q e and sleeping warrior from these muppets for the education of the audience please explain the observed atmospheric gradient and why we don't need a container for the atmosphere uh well we do have a container it's gravity it's been measured and uh at at at sea level it's 14.7 at high elevation there's there's much much lower now here's the cool thing as nathan said uh the the um high pressure will move into low pressure so absent to force which is their claim absent to force it would equalize and here's the thing it would equalize very quickly there's a princeton uh article that nathan cited on facebook that talks about how quickly the uh uh differentials in pressure would equalize it's the speed of sound so here's the thing from ground level to the karmine line if it was just a dynamic system any any pressure absent to force would equalize up to the karmine line in six seconds there'd be a constant upward wind of 700 miles an hour but we don't see that why is that what is causing this disequilibrium it's a closed dynamic system there's a concentration of gas at the surface because it's constantly induced in addition to interrupt them you're not even going to let them answer yeah i am it was my question yeah here's my question yeah you asked the answer yeah well where is this where is this 700 mile an hour upward wind austin you're assuming upward wind that that you that you are now asserting because you are making the positive claim that there's outgassing and i was trying to do it real quick so we could move on through the yeah i know but but that's another positive claim that you've made so i'll i'll put that down go ahead continue all right mclooney tunes simply there's a higher concentration of gas the surface because constant being introduced in addition we would have to know the characteristics of the apartment like the electrostatic nature and what is being emitted so thus affecting propagation of said gas pressure within the atmosphere you don't know those answers you just presuppose fairy tales next up thanks for your super chat from dearest tim prier says flat earthers really need to learn the burden of proof they are going against almost seven billion people and all the world's geniuses you guys have to prove otherwise because it's proven to be a globe every day argument yeah that's an appeal to majority as a fallacy sorry stupid everyone on earth thinks ursa strawberry so we know ursa strawberry no dude that's an argument of popularity okay next up glober mommy thanks for your super chat says nathan slash austin do you trust in what your doctors tell you or do you tell them they were appealing to authority i'm not big on up you go hospitals kill more people in cops but y'all want to talk about that i'm not a big fan of synthetic medicine myself gosh yeah sorry i'm not laughing at you it's terrible for you bro i appreciate this next super chat from dearest gps says flat earth how does gps work it uses distances to determine location not angles so it isn't balloons or towers why won't you get bob to test this with you do you want to answer that austin because i mean it obviously can't be coming from towers and balloons above our head it has to be metal boxes in space 250 miles away going 17 thousand miles an hour because of gravitational orbits because that's how you would triangulate objects guys that that's what you for sure would do you definitely would not use towers and balloons right above your head you would use cartoon metal boxes which if you google satellites in space guys they are all cartoons i'm not making this up yeah i'm not lying yeah it'd be incredibly inefficient at 17 500 miles per hour to use it for your satellite dude that's i mean your service that's stupid it's stupid thanks for your super chat from tim prier says oh impressive nathan we have seven billion people plus all the world geniuses a little bit harder and you make convince and you may convince the entire world i always say professionals sort amateurs convince so if you guys think i'm trying to convince you again you're not listening to what i'm saying i'm here to plant the seed you can shoot the messenger you can't kill the message truth rides on ladies and gentlemen what was your phrase you said amateurs convinced and what was it scholars shard or what was it professionals sort sort shard he said shard they think he said shard i heard shard like they sort they sort through the people the ones who are looking the ones who have eyes to see and can hear the truth that's who i talked to i think there's only a couple squared boys here gotcha and thanks for your super chat from jessica g says this nerd is a is legitimately reading off of cards i don't remember was anyone reading from cards it's okay if you did it's nothing to be ashamed i've not read from cards but i'll i'm a nerd i'll take that okay thanks for your i was like you're coming at you for reading off your cards and k-024 thanks for your super chat says nathan i took your advice and did my own research i bought a solar filter and filmed the sun it does not change angular size as it sets so it's not moving away as it sets the earth is spherical again guys we know the shape of the floor because we looked at the sky that's these glovers bro they have no proof the earth's a tilted spinning testicle in space so they talk about the sky over and over again i've been hearing this for five years it's pathetic yeah angular resolution man gotcha and totally appreciate your super chat coming in from d6 says can you start something like a Nobel prize in flat earth community so us dummies can learn the best discoveries that you come up with yeah it's called geoparty turn it tune in friday nine p.m. oh let's see oh jessica g said her her insult about using note cards was directed toward nathan not mc tune sorry nathan's not a nerd what are you talking about he's not smart enough to be a nerd uh well i'm with him i'm born private annexion auction flooring neon sody magnesium aluminum silicon puff can you do that mc tune i'm not a super just to make you that's that's about a nerd test you don't even know the nerd test 3.141592653589793 can you recite pi mc tune that's not the nerd test either oh what's a nerd test being a being a i can't i can't tell you it's a secret secret society you're a real nerd mc tune doing the real big skip with the globe in the background being a nasa fanboy does that make you a nerd and just having that shit eating on your face uh spacex i i really like spacex better like spacex they do better space porn okay enough of your space porn next up thanks for your super chat appreciate it from dearest red cosmos devil says nata lie li at the end and caps says explain why there are no tornadoes or hurricanes at the equator because we live on a tilted cartoon testicle that's the only reason that would ever work because we live on a tilted cartoon you're right i just got convinced guys i can't believe i saw that movie about chasing tornadoes like 10 years ago and here i am this whole time thinking the earth's flat how dumb are you talking about the hit 1997 classic twister starting starting to build paxton and the in helen and next up there that's one of my favorite movies next up tim prior thanks for your super chat says how do i get a wrench modern day debate already took care of you tim tim also says smartest guy you've ever known researched seven months and thanks it's and thinks it's flat seven seconds and i debunked that bs horizon alone destroys flat earth wow that is so dumb i just lost brain cells so if the horizon is constantly fluctuating because it's an apparent location it can't prove the physicality of the curvature of earth yeah all your globes and the trenches are saying you can't see the physical horizon but you guys are so scientifically illiterate you think it obstructs things cool story bro okay and thanks for your super chat from outlaw jare who says if the flat earth has a quote karen unquote nathan is it they love you bro i'm so sad let's see thanks for your super chat from raven zero says so nathan once more doesn't understand mathematics is this true nathan glober once more doesn't understand mathematics is just a human construct used to describe next up thanks for your super chat from dearest king o24 says nathan i did my own research and discovered the topological surveys of the oceans that have been done oceans are not flat the earth is spherical yeah okay if you say so but the usgs and uses flat earth maps to calculate distances outward from the north pole and the united states coast guard has a geographic range table which lists distances you can see at sea level which would be impossible on a globe so that was a cool story bro but it's not true gotcha and tim prier i'll put that down with no evidence provided go ahead whole story mcleary tunes thanks for your super chat tim prier says nathan i've heard people tell you that's not what we believe stop lying could you be more vague i'm not even sure what he's talking about yeah why do we have to believe things anyway by the way this is science observable repeatable reproducible this is not beliefs okay this is not religion class i'm here to tell you guys what you can go outside and observe we see way too far these clowns don't even know how far the earth would curve at 17 miles and then they make fun of us for thinking it curves okay you just told me at 7.7 inches clown oh wait k024 thanks for your super chat says mc tune please save us from any more babble from the strange manchild that is nathan tell us why a sextant used for navigation only works on a spherical earth uh sextant yes so uh a sextant is something that uh that uh that measures angles similar to a theodolite but it's uh a little more uh limited in what it can do it's it has a nice uh feature that you can use it on a moving ship so you can you can sight the horizon and you can sight the a star at the same time and and the the thing is that all of the calculations for for the stars all of them only work for a sphere and in particular i can give you this the north celestial pole at 45 degrees from minnesota here uh works perfectly on a sphere if you move uh one degree south of here it's 46 degrees i'm sorry 44 degrees it's a consistent distance if the earth were flat every time to get one degree declination of that uh that star or the celestial pole would require increasing distances due to the law of perspective gotcha and thanks so much for our patreon super chat comments and also thanks for new subscriber ziga philippic let me know if i pronounced it wrong we are stoked to have you as a member here at modern day debate also i think there are maybe one or two other names i missed as i came up on the screen sorry about that but we're thrilled to have you here with us and spart 344 thanks for your super chat said for nathan every single first chemistry student a first-year chemistry student can tell you that you have no idea what the second law thermal dynamics does every single one another argument from popularity it's about entropy high pressure systems move towards low pressure systems you want to deny that you can just be a religious zealot uh fundy glober that's cool yeah lame in terms for some glovers heat to cold yeah high pressure too low pressure put your hand on the slope and you get burned okay thank you all right and adam el bilia thanks for your question said how can you forfeit an opportunity to sneak the controversial flat earth quote unquote subject inside the video's title just did it for you thanks adam great idea and brian stevens you sick mofo thanks for your question says the claim that hospitals have more people uh the claim that hospitals have killed more people than cops is true because cops aren't treating people with cancer thank you for the deceptive fallacious reasoning nathan well that's not what he said yeah it is so malpractice kills people we're not talking about the cancer killing the people we're talking about the synthetic medicine in hospitals being performed on people and then they die because of malpractice yeah also people being put on ventilators that don't need to put on you know put on ventilators they're suffering from oxygen deprivation not lung failure so lots of things going on very sassy and thanks for your super chat from a gosh darn delight says it's kind of sad that flat earth debates get so many viewers because these two dip poops don't deserve the audience love the channel james first well thank you i appreciate that but also nathan and austin thanks for being good sports i know it's been rough tonight you guys have had a lot thrown at you blessed are you and men revolve you and curse you and speak all kind of evil against you falsely rejoice for grace your reward in heaven these guys don't even know what they're doing dude they don't even have eyes to see what do you expect mc tune is your buddy at least and steven give that the thumbs up next up thanks for your super chat from glober mommy thanks for your question saying for nathan and austin are you not presupposing a flat earth created by god and using the bible as your evidence then claim globe science as a religion no literally not at all we went and tested the physical claim of a rate of curvature necessitated by the circumference which is where you deduce the radius we wouldn't test it said curvature it's not existent does we falsify the radius with the falsification of radius the entire model implodes it's called empirically verifying your claims we disprove them it's literally independent of any type of spiritual belief system and i said at the beginning i don't want to be a flat earth or i don't even care what the shape of the earth is i just want to know the truth and so i spent my own money invested in three long distance cameras most powerful zoom cameras on the earth at the time and then i went out traveled all over the u.s met about 3 000 flat earthers hosted hundreds of meetups but did dozens of experiments also looking at the sky the sky is a map and a clock so when these people talk about celestial navigation and sextants and um how their equatorial mounts only work on their spinning tilted ball the sky is a map and a clock we are not blasting half a million miles an hour through space that is cartoon and they believe it because they're gullible don't be like these guys gotcha and thanks for your super chat from you guessed it nathan one of your best buddies is here tonight fight the flat earth says nathan can you present any measurements of the earth being flat i'll try to give them do that for a while yeah i talked about how is it the salt and sea you can see the laser from shorter store josh with mookie took that photo that i went and verified myself i mean lake poncha train they think it curves at seven miles away from you but from left side of the screen to the right side of the screen is 20 miles and there's no curve on that axis so yes anyone can go outside and verify this themselves what we're saying here austin and i is that they say the earth's radius is this they say we live in space they say that we move this fast and they can't support any of that crap with evidence they will assume a flat earth and then do math about lights in the sky that's what they do you guys saw it you can rewind the video it's all here etched in eternity thank you very much mcclown and steven good i tested your your claims it failed next thanks for your super chat tioga our dearest friend by the way thanks for your super chat tioga and she is the local artist i don't know if i had mentioned to you folks that we have a merch store if it's just the standard logo that is kind of like the kind of like 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much glover for doing exactly what i expect they can't go to the mold man they can't go against majority it's uncomfortable for them so they'd rather just tell consensus that's safer we want to hear i haven't we haven't gotten to hear a lot from steven go ahead steven what were you saying it's not that he doesn't read it's just so he doesn't comprehend gotcha and let's see we are going to the next one which is tim prior thanks for your super chat says nathan must thank airplanes drag think that airplanes drag a tape measure along the ground to calculate its altitude because apparently there's no other way to measure distance in his eyes no you can be very easily just do speed and then how long you've been traveling and that would give you distance glober but according to the federal airline administration they train pilots and air traffic controllers on a target generation facility which is a flutter similar it also assumes a non-rotating earth and that it negates a gravity vector so thank you very much that's why they're called airplanes and not air curbs glovers gotcha and cal's kingdom thanks for your super chat said nathan you're such a rude bad faith actor every time someone accurately summarizes your argument you cry about misrepresentation do you think we can't tell you're doing this or what and you suck i added that last part in but go ahead sorry did you really just kidding nathan come on come on oh dude the moderator's taking a dig i'm just um i'm totally teasing you nathan we love you we love you so often we love everybody here go ahead nathan that was uh but they yes they did say the rest of it though yeah sorry i have nothing to say to that person they're just yeah some people are built for it i think we all know that nathan and i are built for it gamma's opinions don't affect us so gotcha and thanks for your super chat from raven zero says nathan the average laptop cpu has 1.7 billion transistors the mathematics the mathematics behind are so complicated to understand so you don't believe on pc as well you don't believe in pcs as well if you can't understand the basis of their mathematics well i mean our brains have you know a billion neurons and then each one of those have 10 000 possible synapses and connections so there's even more connections in between your ears unfortunately clovers don't use any of those but you don't have to know how everything works to use something so yeah i obviously i use computers and i use my brain that's why i'm a flatter thank you very much gotcha and thanks so much appreciate your super chat from see some people are really mad about me adding on that last part it was a joke people come on look nathan's happy he's all right okay thanks for your super chat from cal's kingdom says nathan says quote my intuition is better than math thompson oh i see they're saying that's your middle name nate my intuition is better than math thompson sorry your face is just so serious okay glober mommy thanks for your super chat says nathan have you validated anything in the bible uh yeah well the bible says to test all things and hold fast to that which is true so when i was 20 years old before i was ever a flatterer i actually set out to disprove the bible i used to make fun of my friends that were all christians i thought it was a stupid piece of literature made to control people the more i looked into it the more i realized it's like the greatest love story ever told uh it was written from outside of our time domain and it's got equidistant letter sequencing and numerology and historical truths in there and spiritual truths in there and it also has got prophecy where it predicts the future and you know we're just rolling right into it like a freight train a bullet train so you know keep your eyes peeled uh and keep some popcorn ready interesting times ahead that's for sure you ain't seen nothing that okay and thanks for your super chat from red cosmos devil says natalie if you really wanted to disprove the globe why don't you do the experiments yourself oh wait you only work in kilometers not miles never mind i've been testing the earth myself but backwards anyone wants to see my list of firsthand observations um i can show them to you real quick here but you could also email me at flat earth flyers dot com all those yellow links are links to videos where i went out in nature and verified we don't live on a tilted testicle and the sky is not what we're being told i'll ask you to put them next up and let's see we've gotta fight the flat earth chimes in again nathan your dearest old buddy says emcee tune do the surveyors take into account local topography uh did they yeah um it's all in there right obviously uh well yeah it is and so the thing is when you're they're measuring horizontal angles not vertical angles so the topography doesn't affect it that's the cool thing about their technique they use horizontal but but curved right horizontal but curved yes okay and seer thanks for your super chat said nathan quote it's measurably flat unquote also nathan quote you don't measure flatness unquote yeah you look for curve and find out there is none there so in that sense it is measurably flat there is no measurable curvature to earth service at all clovers just refuse to go test themselves and look at the sky over and over or tell you it's really big that's why it's flat there well but one thing i i want to just be sure that i understand that you covered is that they said but you they say that you also say that that quote you don't measure flatness so your i understand the first part you're saying that it's measurably flat because you're saying measurements have been done in which you're saying they haven't found curve but you're saying when it comes to the part where it says you saying that you don't measure flatness i think they're saying that there's like an inconsistency there i'm trying to understand like what maybe you responded to that part but i missed it yeah just you don't measure nothing so if you go out looking for curvature and there is no curvature there well then you measured how flat it is gotcha and this one guy thanks for your super chat says whatever happened to decorum i don't know if we've had that on here for a while tim prior thanks for your super chat said nathan people have shown you the effects of the curve and gave you measurements of it stop lying you've seen it you just stick your fingers in your ears neil degrasse tyson's most famous scientist on earth says no civilian has ever seen the curve of the earth the earth was flat from the red bull space jump so unless you're asserting that people have seen it the astronaut a lot less well then my story you know cool story bro but it's measurably flat from the floor this is not snoop dog science where we gotta freaking get high to go figure out where we live it's flat from the floor mr anderson thanks for subscribing just saw your name pop up on the screen and thrilled to have you with us and having a have you gonna be a member here and thanks for your super chat from tim prior said nathan p oh wait we got that one jake 4d says look modern day debate is live oh flat earth don't have time for stupid oh come on jake we're all sitting like right here man okay so thanks for your super chat from erin armstrong says witsit hasn't said specificity yet it's not the real witsit it's a deep that's very funny lily ro thanks for your super chat said we need a reality show top from both sides experts in physics a moderator james expeditions experiments funded by viewers grown-ups only sorry nathan oh okay next up willy murk wait did we lose emcee tune are you gone i can't see you anymore oh did you turn the lights off okay no problem thanks for your steven is passing out willy murk thanks for your super chat says uh nathan please be honest is in and out better than water burger make believe you still eat meat i want a response okay that's actually a funny question because i haven't had meat in about four or five years it's one of the reasons i'm in such excellent shape but i had a dream the other day that i was eating in and out and my friend asked me where i wanted to go and i said let's go to in and out burger i don't know why i would go to in and out if i'm eating in and out burger i remember looking down and then i woke up and go what the hell was that so it's definitely in and out it's much better than what a burger final answer yeah it doesn't make any sense at all if you're already there but thanks for your super chat by the way did you grow up it must have been down in the south as you grew up with water burger no but i got to try it when i did my trip around the u.s for the flat earth observations and i got some in texas and in and out is way better way fresher i worked it in and out for almost a year um and they don't even have refrigerators there or they don't have freezers there because they don't freeze anything guys the bread comes in fresh every two days if you've never tried in and out you got trying and out that's impressive okay next up thanks for your super chat from willy murk oh we just got that one jpp 3030 says nathan is the absolute king of denial next up thanks for your super chat tim prior says you need to do what hosé did have them give evidence of flat earth without bringing up the globe whatsoever it's quite funny falsification of the globe earth fuck slow if you can do it thank you and independent of replacement craig Montgomery thanks for your super chat said hey poop wit where's the container uh you're not legally allowed to privately attempt to go find it so well what kind of question is that like again the gas pressure being here proves physical containment so you can substantiate otherwise you're not allowed to go there what a cool story you're not allowed to go where you can't try to privately go to space can you mclooney tunes yes uh no you can't so you don't know what you're talking about you have you have went up to the ISS bud who did there's what seven or eight civilians seven seven different civilians have gone and I privately go try to go to space on my own yes you can't you can't a thousand feet and unless you check with the faa and uh well higher than that unique clearance we don't know what the hell you're talking about dude so needing clearance doesn't mean that they're preventing you they're just saying you got to ask you ask they'll say yeah unless you're going to do something unless you're going to do something stupid like you would do like let's just be like like uh mad Mike he was going to try to go from uh mexico when he was going to do his above the carbon line so you could go to mexico and do it austin go ahead cool story again carbon line's not real it's imaginary you imagine it in your head because you think yeah it's just an arbitrary line yeah it's just an imaginary it's called the where's the carbon line s even do you know base monkey 777 thanks for your super chat said mctoon or mctoon presents actual measurement in a one kilogram pg doc i think what they meant is 1000 page document and Nathan goes nuts but he believes a 1000 page religious book that says it is flat what an idiot not a belief i i don't believe the earth's flat because the bible says we live under a flat or under a firmament and the earth is stationary i've gone outside and tested it with multiple handy dandy cameras and you can do it yourself there is no downward earth curve and when you try and debate these clowns they tell you you need to understand it's really really big that's that's why it's so flat there next up thanks for your super chat from craig Montgomery maybe clarifying says where is a container of gas with all the pressure on one side what what i don't know it presses on the walls pull i i think i think i think the point is can you demonstrate a container where there's pressure a high pressure on one side and low pressure on the other side sure if i was sure if you want to take yeah if you want to take a vacuum chamber you put some gas in it at the surface of that vacuum chamber and you're constantly introducing gas is there going to be a higher concentration of gas at the surface there would and there'd be a 700 mile an hour wind inside of it also according to the second law of thermodynamics if you introduce energy in the form of heat to the top of the container that would cause the gas at the top of the container to expand and that would cause the molecules at the bottom to compress creating higher pressure pressure i know you can't let anyone talk but we don't see higher pressure at the top you're a clown i know lower pressure but i was saying before you interrupted me was that i just i just want to let you contradict yourself i want to point that out dude you sound just like simon ramos like no evidence and just just denial that's all you have 344 thanks for your super chat says patreon statement mark shuttleworth from south africa went to space in the late 90s he was a private citizen and we haven't done it in 30 years really cool story glober and thanks so much appreciate your super chat from dearest friend red cosmos devil says wit your words are so empty it's sad just shut up okay if you cannot follow the simplicity in what i'm saying because they have a couple extra syllables on them that sounds like a personal problem glober next tim prior thanks for your super chat said tell nathan he needs to learn the difference between gas pressure and atmospheric pressure and then prove that atmospheric pressure needs a container so all they do is say that the atmospheric pressure is different than gas pressure and then presuppose that the atmospheric pressure is next to space freaking brilliant guys listen to that glober logic let it soak real deep into your soul how retarded that nonsense is next erin armstrong thanks for your super chat said you flat earth boys are so hot you made me excited and they spelled hot h a w t oh this guy's a big fan of you you guys all right and and this dude man nathan's excited all right is it he doesn't go away i'm going to be on this well was that from a dude or a all right okay maybe he's got a you do you do you do whatever you want nathan i guess 20 i mean nathan's yeah next up sci-ed amad thanks for your super chat says austin icity substantiation natalicity sounds like you're an idiot next all right we have our dearest friend longtime friend of the channel very sassy you guessed it stupid whore energy strikes again and she says what's it i don't think you're familiar with the black swan fallacy you may want to look into it next up thanks for your super chat jpp 3030 says space tourism will be common in your life nathan yep they've been saying that for 40 years there's a guy who actually tracked every time the government said they were gonna do civilian space travel and after like 20 years he said eff it i'm not recording this anymore they're not sending anyone you guys are all being tricked but they'll say it again in four years after they push it back they'll come back and tell us nathan we're going soon i promise then they'll push it back again they'll come back and do it again do you think about the glovers can't even go to the beach or the park and they're like oh no for sure you're gonna go walk around the iss and freaking play with water eight people eight people have already done it but didn't i send you the link about from SpaceX about that too earlier today uh about that they're selling seats or what yeah no you're gonna go to the park or the beach and you think they're selling seats to space dude yeah in a cartoon medium SpaceX gets 400 million dollars from the government they lie bro just accept it it's the government lies there's not a big deal you got evidence of that or just an empty claim again the government lying that can't lie that particular lie that that exact lie not not just a generic lie well i don't make a habit of trusting provably fraudulent sources that intentionally deceive me openly and admit okay so you don't have evidence of the lie i'll just write that down thank you it's all you don't you don't seem to listen very well to me clown show just let them know i said it's all cartoons next we must keep moving tim prior thanks for your super chat said oh yeah i can play this game our evidence is everybody smarter is everybody is smarter than you which is pretty much the entire world disagrees with you i think they're talking about ad hominem and argument from popularity all wrapped into one well congratulations you almost had a hat trick for the fallacy team there congratulations dude next side everyone used to think everyone in america used to think slavery was cool so i guess you would believe slavery was cool until they all got together and said now you shouldn't like slavery or maybe you should independently think for information on yourself and empirically validate your beliefs next up syed amad thanks for your super chat said more like wits it doesn't get it am i right yes next up thanks thanks for your super chat from syed amad strikes again says can creepy natalie come even close to his camera um i was close enough for me i guess thanks for your super chats from let's see here i uh uh serif says to the flat earthers measurements of flatness give us numbers of this measurement of flatness yeah we see 200 miles 270 miles 1000 miles laser 27 miles black swan from one foot we see nine and a half miles that is the measurements the distance void of physical obstruction caused by curvature it really isn't complicated you know what awesome said good job next thanks for your super chat from space monkey 7777 said natalie run out of your mental meds did you i was like oh these are some of these are pretty bad but it's you know leaving big pharma so like what are these guys talking about that's right nathan's all natural so he takes like pills made out of like grass and stuff man next up thanks for your super chat i'll thank you nathan and tim prier says the thanks for your super chat tim says nathan thompson tell flat earth millionaire to buy a ticket to go to space to end this debate i bet he won't chat he'd have to be a real millionaire in the first place and i asked him to debate me on this channel on whether or not flat earth has a dome and he's a freaking coward it won't do it and he's like oh if i bring a panel i can bring my friends to hold my hand in the debate so i don't get embarrassed so badly so guys go bug flat earth millionaire get him on here falling out between you and him wow yeah i thought you guys were like best friends man well he calls me a snow globe tard because i don't believe in multiple sons and that's anti christ that's anti biblical and he's never observed and he's proved well he's a blood over intent guy come on you knew that going in i didn't know he was supported blood over intent at all what does that mean no oh come on well that's a cult thing um from uh what's his name you know you should buy him or from florida wait it's in the pp yeah it's all in it what yeah part of the core what's the point not add another one bro oh yeah they think they they think that they have the um the the uh the key to get into um the middle of the earth through the north pole yeah i think that's all we know and and then and then if enough people do this blood over intent ritual on youtube then they can open unlock the gate to it it's a quasi luminous quasi luminous is the guy super that's almost crazy there are some weepy there are some people out there that believe they live on this crazy tilted cartoon ball brought to them by jasmine christ for just a second you guys almost agreed okay yoga thanks for your super chat said one flatter in five betas oh guys that i think she's talking about all of us what the heck deoga actually i have to tell you guys really quick this is something i'm so excited about so if you are a huge marvel fan like me you will be i'm so pumped that teogas helping us make a sweet marvel intro for modern day debate which is going to be so fun okay b-ball for life thanks for your super chat said that man then dc oh nice i can't blame you nate b-ball for life says nathan how is there 24 hours of darkness in northern alaska during the winter that's very easy to explain see as the sun goes around polar center sometimes it's around the tropic of cancer sometimes it's around the tropic of cap corn the path expands and contracts that's why we have a sun analima that is lopsided but also the points on the sun analima are not equidistant to one another in the north and south because it's a longer circumference in the south than it is in the north so sometimes you're in the north and the sun moves away and you go oh my god it's dark outside i must live on a ball no that's not how it works okay the sun moved away from you and now you have no sunlight pretty soon it eventually moved back because the wheel in the sky keeps on turning we all live in a yellow submarine gotcha and thanks for sorry it might be buffering a little bit out there folks it'll just be the video but more than i like so sorry about that in advance where i'ma see i'm dropping frames in stream labs b we got that one whiz bang thanks for your super chat said hey nathan hope you have a nice night also the earth is a globe also what's under that hat you're hiding something from the youtube audience yep just uh hiding a bunch of healthy soft hair so what a luscious head of hair next up's jordan smith did steven steven's got that down here yep very luscious and jordan smith thanks for your super chat says no wonder squeak is obsessed with spongebob he oh that's right because spongebob is a gay icon i heard so what is squeak is that one of the that's your nickname nathan do you remember that one before that's a new one i mean they got probably hundreds of them for me these guys have hundreds of pictures of me on their phone i wonder what their girlfriend thinks when they go through their phone and like who's this dude you have right photos of you're just up you're assuming i have girlfriends and why don't we have a central question how do okay how dare you oh okay now anamorphic mind thanks for your super chat says thank you bob for proving the earth has a 15 degree drift every hour is that true are are there actually people that come to every flat earth debate and say that same thing over and over it's it's retarded he actually went to different elevations showing that it seemed to be a different causality of deriviation such as potentially movement within the ether field or a drift so presupposing causality isn't how sign where did he publish this that isn't how a general works you you should just sit on the sideline bro next space space monkey 7777 says gravity is a myth the earth sucks natalie 101 i don't understand but make you rush thanks for your super chat said so mead slash honey is vegan now nathan that's right snap nathan you've been called out honey is not vegan you can't steal dead animals i don't need dead animals or like excretions that contain plus and blood like milk designed for baby cows but i'm not like one of the vegans that thinks honey is like a bad thing or whatever you know we have discrepancies there but definitely no animal flesh going in this mouth oh it's late i didn't realize we got to speed through these last questions thank you for your super chat from spirit cell who says james it's been a while yep you're still sexy had to read that one i mean come on thanks for that spirit cell stupid horror energy thanks for your super chat said nathan show some man boob and i'll tip you more no no no no it's really no sorry you don't know no paypal link for all that business i'm just kidding next up jessica g thanks for your super chat says synthetic medicine is isn't the only thing witsett isn't into he's also highly against a toothbrush toothpaste and dentists wow you're extreme with fun snap next up you're fine yet white tea brought up yeah here's a nice grill you have great tea okay gabriel k thanks for your super chat said i want more debates on biochem that was awesome we can do that and we will decepticons forever thanks for your super chat said detailed description about the firmament please so we have star trails firmament celestial navigation stationary northern pole stars sprites uh mushroom clouds uh halos sun dogs rainbows or dome shape i mean do you want me to just give you another 10 proofs there guys yeah yeah globers ask your homework go home and explain all of those things without a firmament done and yeah me too yeah we know you got it next up thanks for your super chat from decepticons forever said detailed description oh we got that dim sum nim sum thank you says nathan i want an answer why no tornadoes at the equator well you know to be honest i haven't really looked that much into tornadoes since i saw that wonderful movie twister back in the day but uh hurricanes you know they spin opposite direction because of an electromagnetic wake effect from the sun and the moon moving around the equator so if you just take your hand and run through a pool and observe the shadows underneath the vortices the vortices move in opposite directions so that could be and i'm just spitballing here i'm not positive why directly at the equator we don't see these vortices of tornadoes happening but i don't know i'm not 100 positive on that i haven't done too much research on tornadoes i've been too busy taking a dump on the globe and showing there's no earth curve next thanks for your super chat that was a great mental image next john robertson says explain 180 degrees of sunlight on equinoxes yeah the earth is flat and then during an equinox 180 degrees of sunlight so you got to look at the floor glober you got to stop looking at the sky and acting ignorant or confused okay because the floor is flat don't look at the sky like make cartoon over here so no no answer so war measureably flat john robertson thanks for your other super chat no uh no question attached appreciate your support and alan age thanks for your super chat said nathan how much is a drop of 7.7 from 63360 inches to the fourth power i don't know what that means next up thanks for your super chat john rap says no evidence again from nathan the unfunniest clown and just gave you 10 proofs of affirmation like 30 seconds ago you want proof that the earth doesn't move it's called no choreolas aries failure mickelson moorley you want proof that it doesn't curve the united states coast guard has a geographic range table we see too far laser test infrared i mean you're kidding right i mean i could i literally i'm like an encyclopedia just claims yeah just you're an encyclopedia of claims with no evidence that is called non-rap is right that's the guy wait hold on a second i cannot just let just let people know i have to wrap up really quick here to keep it promise wrap it up be nathan uh so if you please do me a favor don't send any more questions or super chats because we can't read any more than what we already got so we're going to speed through these last ones thanks for your super chat b-ball for life says nathan and witsett why doesn't the higher pressure at the bottom of mount everist move to the lower pressure at the top of mount everist we've already explained there's a plethora of variance of factors okay higher concentration because of introduction against the surface level we would need to also heat plays a factor weather patterns we would also need to know the characteristics of the containments like the electrostatic characteristics to understand the dissipation and a different element uh densities of elements in the atmosphere too could contribute to all of that other stuff austin just said so yeah must move quickly nathy uh whiz bang thanks for your super chat said i would love to see a debate between g-man and darth and going against nathan and austin on flat earth james's mouse would explode from hitting mute so much that might be true sayah dema thanks for your super chat said synthetic medicine might fix austin's teeth what are you talking about i already told you austin has great teeth next up brian's even thanks for your super chat said nathan is right cops aren't treating the sick next b-ball for life thanks for your super chat said just checked with its channel not one observation experiment or test of the curvature of the earth appealing to other flat earthers no yeah falsification of your claimed metrics hits the radius hits the implosion of the globe earth i don't know why it's so complicated next up thanks for your super chat eight bit deadpool says nathan do you remember the evidence given at the sultan's sea the evidence that you denied even though you were there to witness the experiment well the discovery channel showed a boat with different color lines on it and they said that the earth curve was obstructing the lines for the boat but the horizon was above the boat in the background so they said that the physical uh actual geometric horizon was obstructing the boat but you could see the horizon above the boat in the background i mean yeah i was there i was there to laugh at national geographic lie to all you guys and watch how gullible you are talk about eight years later because you're lost in the space sauce i feel sorry for you next up thanks for your super chat from tim prier says so since he admits we don't need a tape measure for altitude of airplanes then he should know we should be able to measure the distance to the sun what an idiot nathan that you can't you can't deduction is not a measurement you can deduce things it's not a measurement okay next debate and and they presuppose things james i think that's what awesome is going to say yeah presupposing that's all he says next yeah that's all he's his favorite thing but it's his favorite word and that's what you do next debate debate flat earth and more thanks for your super chat said money debate does witsit gets it have the potential to recognize the necessary antecedent of a nathan oakley catchphrase i'm not even yeah cool story i know a lot of your globes are incapable of independent critical assessment and an ability to articulate yourselves well so you just assume that anyone that can do those things must be copying other people but some of us just aren't morons next up thanks for your super chat from leal is fun said nathan do you know the cultural meaning the hebrew phrases in the bible oh like how nasa means to deceive in hebrew or to greece kyle have you asked have you asked a native hebrew speaker because you're wrong have you asked i don't need to talk to a dude you can just read the strongest concordance bible and clearly see yeah the bible bar he oh you want to interrupt me again mcton yeah absolutely because you're lying or baby nasa means nasa means to lift according to native hebrew speakers i have it what is immovable and fixed mean i'll give you like eight seconds nathan yeah of course i've got the video of it saying in the strongest concordance bible i just hope it's on yeah there's a there's a diacritic mark above the s that gives it an sh sound it's a different letter in hebrew oh it's a different letter oh ask a native hebrew speaker they'll laugh at you all right cool even flat earth native speakers of hebrew will laugh at it to my other phone but nasa in the strongest concordance bible means assh a bible yes and it's just according to a hebrew speaking flat earth or you're wrong whatever your spelling is the same as nasa i mean i'm not going to pretend you're an expert on this you're a clown i next must move on thanks for your super jet from trolling for truth says nathan and witsit fatty gang keeping it flat as f garth cooks thanks for your super chat no question but appreciate the support the plot hole thanks for your super chat said natalie you never worked next up erin armstrong thanks for your name erin armstrong thanks for your super chat said steven vaping in bed seriously listen i already told you he looks really seductive like let it be only sheep will can't see thanks for your super chat i love you guys only sheep will can't see so round thinker have the flat round thinker is a native hebrew speaker he's in the chat right now he speaks hebrew from birth does nasa mean uh what does nasa mean round thinker you're exhausting i know you get tired when you lose yeah next no it's just a different symbol it's spelled the same no i'm sorry you're not a native hebrew speaker so let's let's build the native hebrew let's let the native hebrew speaker answer the question next see who's lying we must keep moving so sorry to do this but only sheep will can't see says having the flat earth side explain why the moon changes orientation between hemispheres then get the actual coherent answer from the globe side please okay so why does the moon change orientation between hemispheres draw a six on the roof of your room and walk to the other side of the room that six will change orientation into a nine that does not prove you're on a spinning tilted cartoon testicle gotcha we'll go to the globe side i have no problem with that next up thanks for your super chat from leaping for j thanks for your super chat said mic mc tune has no idea he's a compulsive liar next up grimlock but i have evidence grimlock thanks for your super chat said just got here how much has nathan abused sponge bob not too much tonight next up thick garth much thanks for your super chat said flat earth flat mines next up reverend aro thanks for your super chat said blurbs explain the atmospheric pressure gradients we've already done that like three times we live in a closed dynamic system the gas is inhomogeneous and anisotropic constantly moving around because we have air being introduced at the surface and heat and energy being introduced at the top next up erin armstrong thanks for your super chat said steven wake up loser i'm a baller gosh yeah steven's awake he's trying to seduce you chef alan thanks for your super chat said do nate and nitwit know we're here to laugh at them yeah did you know the theory of relativity was a reification fallacy that tributes physical properties to conceptual abstractions and a privation gosh you know all the people who told you earth's a globe are laughing at you because they think you're gullible and stupid and you guys give them money and it's none of it's true and you don't even understand the conceptual backing for your religion almost done so sorry we're gonna we're gonna keep wrapping up quickly folks rt 96 thanks for your super chat said slaves in america never thought slavery was cool that how enlightening of you and tim prior thanks for your super chat said hey idiot i said that because you said you're the top leader of flat earth there's over a hundred and some thousand people and one thousand people get it got it good i never told story top leader i just said i started the largest group that doesn't mean like i'm some top leader they are members of the group they don't follow me they're not fans or subscribers of nathan tomsen they are members of the official flat earth and globe discussion okay next up the plot hole thanks for your super chat said natalie how is that blood drinking working for you excellent this one's a triple dry hopped IPA with 10 percent it's delicious now we're talking all right abyss abyss seventh thanks for your super chat said natalie i don't believe the earth is flat because of the bible also natalie i don't believe in two sons because of the bible shaking my head cool natalie okay when huge jars thanks for your super chat we've only got one two three four here left so we're going to cruise through and thanks for your patience folks nathan our huge jar says nathan what makes the sun move faster in the southern hemisphere summer it has further to go so it must be faster so why don't we see it do that that we do i talked about earlier how the sun anelima is not equidistant on both the north and the southern loops and the loops in the north are smaller than loops in the south so yeah it's speeding up you know what makes it do that you guys are it's like nathan when you made the sky how did you make the sun do this i don't know guys like you know i can i know what we can observe and what we can test not how it all works i didn't make the sky next up willy murk thanks for your super chat said we know gravity exists because old boobs are droopy nathan tomsen please explain well if gravity exists and i'd be attracted to fat women and i'm not i'm attracted to skinny people that are in shape so there you go debunked gravity debunked garth cooks thanks for your super chat and tim prior thanks for your super chat said i can make a rainbow with my garden nose what's your point yeah you can't do it indoors and the rainbows are always dome shaped thank you very much oh gabriel k thanks for your super chat you can do it indoors yeah gabriel k said turn around your hat nathan to convince me turn around every now and i'm confused to convince them no no next next super chat hold on one second i just got something switched on me um we have one more from i think it's from flat earth debate thank you flat earth debate who said one second loading they said uh it's flat earth data and they said what causes the apparent junction of the sky and ground angular resolution limit of the eye or earth curvature what do you think mc tool peace oh my name oh my uh well yeah it's the edge of the the horizon the edge of this the sphere so i challenged him to debate on facebook he he kind of ran off so flat earth data bring it on my email address mc tune at mc tune net let's set up that debate and there i got it right there mc clown show nasa in the strongest concordance bible means to baguio or greatly deceived and in one second yeah i will show what's right above out what's up yes what's up yes there multiple meanings but it's n a s a and it means yeah so round thinker the native heber speaker said it means it means hold on the native heber speaker round thinker says to you should just say sorry i was wrong to marry and to travel to finish us to finish us off next step in the chat ask this guy in the chat the dictionary says take a breath give me one second don't please only me mute okay tim briar thanks for your time said i don't care i just want to show how stupid this guy is to clown chill out okay tim briar thanks for your time i'm very chill very relaxed i am very relaxed i am i just show this clown okay so tim briar thanks for your super chat said okay then so i have billions of people including the world's most brilliant idiot on my side okay well i'm confused by that but we want to say thanks so much for all of your support for folks through super chats and just hanging just being here i'm not joking folks you're not gonna believe me i'm dead serious when i say this we are currently setting up two debates that will shake the foundations of both one of them will shake the foundations of like religion debates on youtube and one will shake the foundations of political debates like lord willing we'll see we're setting these up and but by that i mean we're in talks with the people so like these are like big time debates that they're gonna knock your socks off so really appreciate it folks if you enjoyed tonight's debate feel free to hit that like button on the way out and just want to say thanks so much we hope you have a great rest of your night all of our speakers are linked in the description so if you want to hear more from them you absolutely can so thanks one last time appreciate our guests thank you guys we really appreciate you being here with us uh james mc tune has an 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