 Okay. So we'll get started. Just wanted to know if there are any clarifications, any questions based on what we've been learning so far. Any questions at all? Okay, none whatsoever. Okay, you can feel free to ask later also. I can make a note of it and you can put it on the chat, right? Okay, let me... So I just wanted to say that if you can feel free to ask, you don't have to say... I don't want to sound like one doubting person. Questions are absolutely fine and it's better that you clarify it. For example, you might believe a little differently about these things and if it is so, you can share and give your reasons for that and we'll be able to look at the word of God together and see why we are teaching this and what does the word of God say? So that is always... Scriptures always are a reference point, right? So we'll always go back to that and check that out. Okay, so you can feel free to ask. Okay, let me continue. Yeah, Divya, you have a question. Go ahead. Yes, first of all, one is like if there are no scenarios, right, where we operate on these gifts, like in a practical sense, how can a person know what gifts they have and are these gifts linked to your natural abilities, like some people will be good at, you know, naturally good at things like maybe at teaching or analysis or things like the root cause, you know. In such cases, is the gifts given by the Holy Spirit linked to the natural abilities of a person? Like the first part is, like you said, what if there are no scenarios to move in the gifts? I didn't understand that. Can you just clarify that first? Yeah, yeah, Pastor. Like if there is not an avenue where these gifts can be exercised, so how can... Yeah, well, okay, the thing is, okay, maybe if you're in isolation, you know, you don't come in contact with another person, but actually when I think of it, you know, let's say you're wishing, for example, you know, you want to wish somebody a very happy birthday, okay, friend, family, whatever, and you just wait on the Lord and ask the Lord, okay, God, give me a word for this person, right? What is it that this person really needs, and then the Lord speaks to you, a specific thing, and then you share that, and yeah, so the avenues are limitless actually, you know, so that is what I would say, but yeah, the second part of the thing is, okay, what if you have certain natural abilities, okay, maybe you're identically or creative, you're imaginative and all that, and like we saw, you know, right at the beginning, we see that these are not naturally learned abilities, okay, so these are like imparted by the Spirit, the very word, spiritual gifts, 1 Corinthians 12 and verse 1, I don't want to be ignorant about spiritual existence, that word numerically causes what he says, you know, these are things of the Spirit, and not of the flesh, right, so it's not naturally learned, it's not learned in any other manner, so these are given by the Spirit, and it's a gift, so will my natural abilities come into play, okay, so that is something that, well, yeah, let's say if you're renewed your mind to be a person of faith, you know, your understanding of the word, you know, you've learned, you've studied, and well, that would definitely help the gift, right, you know, let's say in knowing where things are and having a background for the gift, for the reference point for the gift, you know, is it of God, etc., so that will definitely, you know, be helpful, but the gift per se is of the Spirit, the origin and the source is the Spirit of God, it's not something that is naturally developed, you know, it's not something that you're naturally born with, it's something that is given by the Spirit, and like our natural abilities, these gifts also will, you know, we can sharpen and grow in it, and it comes with the use, right, so that's something, yeah. Okay, okay, thank you, Buster. For the first question, what I meant was, like just as you were sharing, right, for you, there was, like, you got an opportunity where, you know, you could minister to certain people, I was just asking in the base, on the surface of, you know, a church setting or things like that. Oh, I see, yeah, that is just one, you know, one environment in which you get to minister, but actually if you look at it, the options are limitless really, yeah, okay. Okay, thank you, Buster. Fine, fine, yeah. Okay, so Priya's question, Priya, there's no wrong question, so don't worry, the question is, how do I know how God sees me? Okay, yeah, that's a very valid question, okay, so how do we know how God sees us? Okay, so we go back to the word of God, we read the word of God, we understand from the word of God, and this is how God sees me, okay, so for example, you know, God's gate, love for you, so God, let's say you read John 3.16, okay, John 3.16 says, God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life, so that verse says, for God so loved the world, okay, so you and I, and you are part of that world, and so God, so God loved you that he gave his only begotten son that you may not perish, okay, so you know that, okay, when he looks at me, he, you know, this is the greatest sacrifice, like he, that he gave his only begotten son for me, and so that I will not perish, that I will spend, I will, you know, spend time with him in eternity, but I, that I should have everlasting life, so you see that, okay, God actually loves me, okay, so, so we look at scripture and we see, so as we read through, we see that this is how God deals with people, this is how God deals with me, and particularly, you know, you are a believer, you've come to know Christ, you've come to, you know, receive Christ as your Lord and Savior, so there are plenty of verses, and that is, I think you're learning that in Christ's course, if you've signed up for it, so there are plenty of scripture which talk about the born again person, okay, so the born again person is in Christ, right, isn't one spirit with him, so, you know, plenty of scriptures which talk about that, and, you know, maybe a couple of those would be, you know, you go to 2nd Corinthians and chapter 5, okay, 5 and verse 17 says, therefore, if anyone is in Christ, okay, so that's talking about you, who's a believer, he is a new creation, okay, so says that you are a new creation, you are created newly in Christ, old things have passed away because all, behold, all things have become new, so he's looking at you as a new creation, he's not looking, considering your old self, you know, your life that you lived before you came to Christ, all that is taken away in Christ, you've become a new creation, so the old is gone, all things have become new, you go further down to the verse 21, verse 20, now then we are ambassadors for Christ, again, he's talking about the born again believer, we are ambassadors for Christ, who's an ambassador, a representative of a nation, a spokesperson for a nation, so this is how God sees me because I am a believer, I am in Christ, I am a representative, I'm an ambassador for Christ, so wherever I go, I speak on behalf of my King, on behalf of, you know, the one who sent me, so on behalf of the Kingdom of God, I'm an ambassador for Christ, verse 21, for he knew him, who knew no sin to be sinned for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in him, so this is what has happened in Christ, I've become the righteousness of God in Christ, the righteousness is the character, nature of God, so not only do I have right standing with him, but this is what God sees me as, he sees me as having his righteousness because of the blood of Jesus, so he made him who knew no sin, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Christ, so these are ways to, so you know that, okay this is how he sees me, he sees me as someone who's righteous because of the blood of Jesus, so he sees me, he sees me, he sees me with eyes of love, he sees me as a person who is not condemned, but as a new creation, okay, so what do I do? So I take this and whenever I have these thoughts, when I look at my mirror and then I, you know, thoughts come, oh look at you, you know, you're ugly, you know, I'm not, I'm a new creation, right, Ephesians 2 talks about how I'm a workmanship, that word used there is, I think it's Ephesians 2 and verse 9, okay, we'll just quickly go to Ephesians 2 and verse 10, we are his workmanship, okay, so that workmanship, that word there is a Greek word, poem, which means a work of art, like a painting, a beautiful painting or a sculpture or, you know, it's a work of art, so it says here, we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus, I'm reading Ephesians 2 verse 10, forward, prepared beforehand that we should work in him, so which means that his workmanship, his work of art, right, so when, you know, he sees me as his work of art, so, and then so what do I do in response, I accept that, I receive that and that truth, you know, is something that rises above all the other, you know, all the other voices, okay, maybe people are saying you are, you know, you're good for nothing, you are useless, you are a failure, no, this is how God sees me, right, so that should enable us to walk from that place, to live out a life of victorious life in Christ, you know, so your perspective changes, you know, the way you look at people, the way you look at challenges, the way you look at God changes, you know, he's not waiting with like a school teacher with a, you know, with a ruler to beat you, you know, he's not waiting angrily, no, he's looking at us with, you know, eyes of love, he loves us so much and not with condemnation, but really justification, he has justified us and he sees us as the righteousness of God, so the word of God shows us how God sees us, but the important thing is we need to see ourselves the way God sees us, I hope that helps, okay, okay, so we are back to, you know, the first voice is God's voice, which means God, you know, we pray, we ask him, he speaks and many times our own reasoning of fear, we sometimes, I mean, many times we actually overrule that and we say, no, it cannot be, it's just my imagination, but how will you know unless you test out, unless you walk it out and yeah, and then you'll be pleasantly surprised, right, there are many instances and probably I'll just share a few of them later, you know, in one of the other classes that are so surprised, so taken aback when, you know, when I stepped out and shared what God put in my heart and I was just wondering, you know, if I had not shared, I would have missed that opportunity, you know, and many times had happened where I'd not shared, so fearful and, you know, not shared and I thought, okay, I feel uncomfortable talking about this and I was, you know, those are moments that have gone, of course, God will reach out in different ways to the people, but then, you know, I can't do anything about it, so that's fine, but the thing is, you are now, you know, a little more sensitive and say, okay, when God speaks, it's okay to sound foolish, it's okay to step out and, you know, look a little stupid in front of people, but then you realize that, like I said, you know, 99% of the time, you realize that you will be pleasantly surprised when you are shocked at the time, at the accuracy with which God conveys that information, it just needs that step of faith to share that, right? Okay, okay, so we need to get out of our mind to flow with the Spirit, so the thing is that, you know, we need to understand, first of all, that our mind has been created by God, okay, God has created a spirit, soul and body, okay, so he's created us with a spirit that can communicate to him, relate to him, spend eternity with him, etc. He's created us with the soul, our mind, our will, our emotions, our imaginations, etc. He's created, he's created with a body so that we can relate to things physically on this earth and so on, so he has created us, so it's not like we negate or, you know, just completely block out using our mind, okay, so that is never the case. It's just that we need to renew our mind to the Word of God, to his thinking, like align our minds, our thinking to his way of thinking, his will, his ways, right, our mind needs to be renewed, so then it's a very powerful tool, right, to receive the Word of God, but the undrenued mind blocks out, undrenued mind cancels out the instruction that comes from God, so we're not saying, you know, advocating the lack of reason or that, it's just that it needs to be renewed, okay, so the thing is there are certain things that will go beyond logic, you know, for example, when you look at Philip, okay, Philip is, Philip is having a, we read about Philip in Acts chapter seven or eight, Acts chapter eight, okay, so we read about Philip, he's there in Samaria, he's preaching, he's preached the gospel, a lot of people are coming to know the Lord, there's a lot of, there's a revival, you know, he's talking about this entire region which is coming to know the gospel, there's revival, there's wonderful things happening and it says in verse, where is this, verse 26, now an angel of the Lord spoke to Philip saying, arise and go towards the south along the road which is, which goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza and, you know, the description is that it's a deserted place or it's desert, so see there's wonderful things happening here and then the, God's word comes through this angel, go, leave this place, okay, so it seems illogical, you know, I need to be here, pastor this whole thing, this work is there, but he obeys, okay, like, I'm sure people would have said, you know, pastor Philip, you need to be here, you know, why are you leaving? It's a great time of outpouring, it's a great revival that's happening, we need your leadership, yes Peter and John came and prayed and, you know, we're all filled with the spirit, but, you know, we need you, you came and you started the work here, we need you to be here and stay here and so on, but he obeyed the voice of the voice of God, right, obeyed the word of God, came through the angel of the Lord and he obeyed and because of that obedience, we see that the nation of Ethiopia receiving the gospel, the official comes there, he is saved and he takes the gospel back to his nation, right, he goes there as a saved, baptized believer and so we read them, right, so sometimes the instruction seems to like not go without thinking, right, so that is what, you know, we need to understand that when we test, when we know that this is, it is the word of God, it is the voice of God, it is the leading of the spirit, just obey, right, so what happens when we are unsure, okay, we can always get confirmation, we can get it validated, right, we can ask people and we can, you know, we can get the thing validated, you know, whatever we are, the leading that we are getting, people God will confirm, you know, it is not like he, you know, he said something and he is not going to confirm it in any way or give more information about it, right, so, you know, he will speak, he will validate it in different ways, like he might give us a whole sense of peace and a very strong sense of, you know, leading to do that and so on, right, okay, okay, so I will just move on to about the gifts of the spirit, for the purpose of learning, you know, these nine gifts which we listed, just categorizing these as vocal gifts, revelation gifts and power gifts, okay, vocal revelation power, vocal gifts gives us say something, tongues, interpretation of tongues, prophecy, okay, revelation gives, gives that reveal something, word of wisdom, word of knowledge, discerning of spirits and then power gives, gives that do something, gifts of healings, working of miracles and faith, okay, so all these nine gifts three each in each of these categories and it's for the purpose of learning only, so that we remember and it's not for any other purpose, you know, we can't really put them in a box because it's just like we saw, you know, it gives us flow together, you know, there could be a word of wisdom for or the word of knowledge followed by, you know, gifts of healings and so on, okay, so, okay, let's look at gift of tongues, okay, we looked at that, we studied that earlier but we just gonna quickly go through that, so a kind of a refresher also, right, so there are different kinds of tongues, right, and we see that it's a tongue is given as a prayer language for the edification of the believer, okay, where do we, where did we see that, it's in 1 Corinthians chapter 14 talks about the fact that the tongues, when we pray in tongues, we are edified, okay, it can be as a, sorry, yeah, 1 Corinthians 14 and verse four, he who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, okay, tongues can be in deep intercession for others also, right, it can be tongues for intercession, so, like we see 1 Corinthians 12 and verse 28 onwards, it talks about, you know, varieties of tongues, and so tongues can be, since it's a prayer language, it can be interceding for others also, and we also see in Romans chapter 8 and verse 26 that sometimes we do not know what we should pray for as we ought Romans 8 verse 26, but the Holy Spirit helps us, the Spirit makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered, okay, so it can be a, it's a prayer language, it's an intercessory prayer language as well, now it can be a message with an interpretation, so maybe in church praying, and then there is this message in tongues, and along with that comes a interpretation, so it can be an inter, it can be a message with interpretation, or it can be a sign to, it can be a sign for the unbeliever, okay, like we saw in Acts chapter 2, what happened, people were praising God in earthly languages, and those who heard recognized it as their own mother tongue, and they were drawn to it because they were surprised, how can these people know my language, these are Jews, these are Galileans, how can they know my language, and they were drawn to it, right, so it can be a sign to the unbeliever, so we see that, okay, it's not something that the language that you learned, so does the Old Testament talk about it, okay, the Old Testament, well there are some indirect references, one of the things that we see is in Genesis 11 when, you know, when there was different languages, different languages being released on the earth at the Tower of Babel, okay, we see that, but we also see some indirect references where Isaiah 28, okay, Isaiah 28, and maybe we can look at that verse, okay, Isaiah 28 and verse 11, okay, for with stammering lips and another tongue he will speak to his people, to whom he said, this is the rest with which you may cause the weary to rest, and this is the refreshing yet they would not, here, okay, and Paul refers to this, to this prophecy in 1 Corinthians 14 and verse 21, okay, 1 Corinthians 14 and verse 21, let's read that also, it says, in the law it is written, with men of other tongues and other lips I will speak to this people and yet for all that they will not, here, so again, you know, he's talking about tongues and then he goes on to say verse 22, therefore tongues are for a sign and so on, so we see that these references are there in the Old Testament, okay, so when we come to the New Testament, when we come to the Gospels we see that the Lord Jesus actually foretold this, okay, the Lord Jesus talks about this and we see this in when he commissions his disciples in Mark chapter 16, right, okay, let's read there, Mark chapter 16 and verse 15, go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature, he who believes and is baptized will be saved, he who does not believe will be condemned, and these signs will follow those who believe, in my name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues, okay, so we see that the Lord Jesus actually foretold that this would happen to the believers, to the believers of the Lord, that these would happen to his disciples, that they would speak with new tongues, they would cast out demons, they would speak with new tongues, okay, and like we studied in the book of Acts, we see several instances where people spoke in tongues and like we saw, there were at least thrice, you know, three times out of those five instances when which we studied about the baptism of the Holy Spirit, baptism in the Holy Spirit, where people spoke in tongues, okay, it was accompanied by people speaking in tongues, other tongues, we see that very clearly, and the other two times, that is in Samaria, where Philip was ministering, and also in, when it came to Paul, the Apostle Paul, when Alan and I sprayed over him, it says he was baptized, but we don't read whether there was tongues, but then we see that eventually there was something happening, because Paul was filled with the Spirit, and then he, he spoke in tongues a lot, and he testified saying, you know, I pray in tongues more than you all, okay, so we saw, we see all these instances of praying, praying in tongues, and by looking at the lives of the Apostles and the ministry of the Apostles, we know that this is something that was taught, that was preached, that this was something that people were prayed for, right, to receive as well. Peter and John, when they came to Samaria, they prayed that they might, people might receive the Holy Spirit, and they ended up, you know, there's something supernatural happening. Paul, when he asks the believers in Ephesus, right, we see in, is it Acts 19, right, we see that he, the first question he asks is, did you receive the Holy Spirit when you prayed, and then they, he prays over them, and they, they also prayed in tongues and proper, so you see that this is, this is what the ministry was, right, in the early church, they shared the gospel, they were baptized in water, they were baptized in the Holy Spirit, and, and this is how it happened, so we see these right through the book of Acts, we see in the Episodes as well, and of course, when Paul writes to the Corinthian Church, we see a very detailed explanation of what they should do, how tongues must be employed in the church, how it should not, and, and, you know, that the fact is, it's for the building up of the, of the individual, and, or the body of Christ, you know, when he's talking about the gifts, and so on, so you realize that, yes, Paul would have taught it, or Paul would have prayed for the people, for them to receive, and here he's giving instruction, more instruction on how they should, they should walk in it, continue to walk in it, in a manner that glorifies the Lord, and in a manner that is out of love, like love for God, love for people, so he shares about that, you know, you do this in love, if you prophesy and you've had not love, if I pray in tongues, if I don't have love, what does it profit, right, it's, it's nothing, so he talks about that as well, so we know that this is something which was prevalent, it's not something that stopped, it's something that was actually prevalent in the church, okay, Jude also, right, in Jude verse 20 says, he talks about that, that Jude 20, let me just quickly, yeah, Jude 20, but you, beloved, building yourself up on your most holy faith, praying in the holy spirit, okay, so we see this also, Jude also writing, okay, so we see that there are varieties of uses or varieties of benefits when it comes to praying in tongues, okay, so let's, let's look at some of them, okay, what happens when we pray in tongues, okay, when we, first of all, we need to understand that all believers can, okay, now when we make that statement, all believers can pray in tongues, it means that potentially every believer can, okay, every believer actually can pray in tongues, but do all believers pray in tongues, well we know their answer is no, okay, for various reasons, and personally I can testify that from the time I accepted the Lord till the time I actually started praying in tongues, it was actually about eight years, right, and the reason, why eight years, lack of teaching, lack of understanding, that was the main thing, and lack of desire on my part as well, because there was no teaching and there was no, you know, understanding it in the right manner, so about eight years had passed where it was not like the, you know, the believers at Cornell's house were preached and of course we see that it was a sovereign, you know, outpouring of the Spirit, and it happened, and of course they were living in a very unusual time of, you know, great outpouring of the Spirit, right, we see that, right, so, well, so there was no teaching like the Corinthian Church, like where Paul would have taught about that, and so there was no teaching, so for me it was eight years, so as a believer, could I speak, right, right from the day one when I became a believer, yes, did I speak, did I pray in tongues, no, did I eventually end up praying in tongues, yes, praise God for that, praise God for people who, you know, had the courage to come and teach, even though they knew that I was from a very, very traditional church background, they said okay, I need to teach these guys, you know, and then they taught and they ended up, you know, being filled with Spirit and praying in tongues, right, okay, so when you pray in tongues, what happens, okay, we first of all, accepted to verse 11 says that they were talking, they were praising God, they were talking or declaring the wonderful works of God, okay, so accepted to verse 11, pretense in Arab, we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God, again when we turn to accepted 10, accepted 10 in verse 46, okay, this is Cornelius' house, and for they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God, so you're magnifying God, praising God, declaring the wonderful works of God when you pray in tongues, so is it a good thing, of course, right, we magnify, we talk about the wonderful works of God, okay, so 1 Corinthians 12, again when we go there and verses 7 to 11 talks about the fact that, let me just get there, the power of God being manifest, 1 Corinthians 11, sorry 1 Corinthians 12 and verse 7, the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all, so this is the display of the Spirit and then this display of the Spirit or expression of the Spirit is in all these ways, word of wisdom, so we see the power gifts, we see the revelatory gifts, we see the vocal gifts being released and it is an expression of the Spirit of God, so we see that the presence of God, the power of God, the vocal gifts, the revelatory gifts, the power gifts being an expression of God himself, being an expression of the Spirit of God, being an expression, so when we say an expression of God, it is an expression of his presence, it is obviously an expression of his power, it's an expression of his love, his compassion, everything, so it's an expression of the presence and power of God and praying in tongues is one of those expressions, right, we need to understand that when we pray in tongues, we could be speaking in an earthly language or it could be a heavenly language, okay, so why do we say that, accept it too, we see that people spoke in an earthly language, 1 Corinthians 13 and verse 1 says, though I speak with tongues of men and of angels but not have love, I've become sounding brass and a clanging symbol, so you're saying, you know, I could speak, which means he's saying, you know, I could speak with tongues of men or languages of men or languages of angels, meaning it could be an earthly language, it could be a heavenly language, earthly languages or heavenly language, right, so it could be that, so when we pray in tongues, it is that, okay, so when we, so the question, you know, some people ask, okay, it seems like gibberish or it doesn't seem like a language, possibly, right, it could be maybe just a few syllables of a heavenly language or a few syllables of earthly language, which a person is, you know, uttering, praying out, but that is what it is, right, so it could be earthly, it could be heavenly, it could be a few words, it could be a few syllables that we are uttering out, we are declaring, okay, praying in tongues helps in praying mysteries, things beyond what you know personally, what we personally know, okay, so we see that 1 Corinthians 14 and verse 2, he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him, however in the spirit he speaks mysteries, okay, so what are these mysteries, these could be, these are, you know, things that are hidden yet to be revealed, okay, yet to be revealed to us personally, maybe it's about what God has in store for us in the future, maybe it's about the cause of direction that he wants us to take, maybe it's about, you know, something, I mean a deeper understanding of the word, it could be several things, right, things that are hidden waiting to be revealed, not hidden, you know, and just need to be hidden through the ages, no, these are, these are the mysteries, so he who prays in a tongue speaks mysteries, now he doesn't have to speak mysteries to God, right, he speaks the mysteries to his, you know, to his own spirit and the thing is the revelation of those mysteries, right, so because God knows all things, right, there's nothing hidden from him or there's nothing hidden for him but these are mysteries which are hidden for the believer to be revealed, to be unearthed and, you know, Ephesians also talks about that, that we will discover, okay, let's look at that, I'll just quickly make a reference of that verse, Ephesians 2 and verse 10, for we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them, okay, so these good works now I need to discover, I need to walk in it, that God will uncover it and praying in tongues helps towards that, right, so we speak mysteries, things beyond what we personally, what we personally know, okay, tongues also bring in personal edification where we are built up in the spirit, we are refreshed, we are built up, there is strengthening that is happening, right, so tongues help in that, it's like, you know, physically you go to a gym, you work out, you're building strength, you're building stamina and all that happens, right, so spiritually, this is what happens when we pray in tongues where we are being built up in the inner man, we are made strong in the spirit, okay, so you see, you know, there's the scope of praying in tongues and, you know, no wonder there's so much misunderstanding, no wonder, you know, sometimes the devil just fights, brings so much of confusion about this one thing, it's a wonderful gift, right, it's for the benefit of the believer, it's for the edification of the believer, okay, so tongues, when it is interpreted to the congregation, you know, if it is a message in tongues, when there is interpretation of tongues, it brings edification to the congregation, and so that is what he says, and he who prophesies and is indeed greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets that the church may receive edification, so when there is a message of tongues, when there's interpretation, then there is edification, so tongues with interpretation to the church brings edification, tongues, maybe there's no interpretation, but to us personally, when we continue to pray, there is always edification, okay, when we see that, when we pray in tongues, our spirit is praying, our mind is not involved, okay, so understanding, Paul says, my understanding is unfruitful, okay, verse 14, 1 Corinthians 14 and verse 14, for if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful, what does that mean? That means that I don't understand what I'm praying, right, this is Paul writing these words to the church and he's saying, this is what happens, so don't, so when we read it and we say, okay, if you have questions, okay, I don't understand, should I really continue on it? Oh yes, because it's something that is scriptural, your understanding is unfruitful, your spirit prays, but your understanding is unfruitful, so don't worry about it, continue in faith, persist in faith, because it is bringing in edification, okay, okay, so it can be done at our own will in the sense, you know, many people have questions, you know, when can I pray in tongues, you know, okay, when does it happen, you know, can I pray whenever I want to, can I stop whenever I want to, of course, right, so it says verse 15, 1 Corinthians 14 and verse 15, what is the conclusion then, Paul says, I will pray with the spirit and I will also pray with the understanding, okay, so here I just want to talk about, I think we looked at it earlier, but just wanted to mention that whenever we see the phrase, pray with the spirit, okay, or pray in the spirit, right, when we encounter these phrases, it is about praying in tongues, right, how do we know that, well, in that same scripture here, where Paul is contrasting between praying with the understanding, right, praying in a known language, I pray with the understanding, and he's contrasting that with praying in tongues, which is praying with the spirit, okay, let's read verse 15, chapter 14 verse 15, 1 Corinthians, what is the conclusion then, I will pray with the spirit and I will also pray with the understanding, okay, so he's making those two distinctions and he's saying, I'll do both, I'll pray with the spirit, I will also pray with the understanding, then he also says, I will sing with the spirit and I will also sing with the understanding, so meaning that you can also sing in tongues, you can also sing with the understanding, okay, so that's something that we see, well, the other thing is we can ask the Holy Spirit, right, I want to pray about this, I want to pray about this decision that is in front of me, or I can't choose whether it's A, B or C or D, or what should I choose, I don't know, so help me, and you spend that time praying in tongues, okay, so what is happening, Romans 8, 10 verse 26, we saw that Holy Spirit helps us, sometimes we do not know what we should pray for, as we ought to pray, right, I don't know whether I, whether it's A or B or C or D, I don't know whether even to pray about those things, of those options before me, pray in the spirit, pray in tongues, right, so Paul writes and he says, you know, if you bless with the spirit, okay, so how will he who occupies the place of this uninformed say amen, at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say, so if you, for you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified, so what he's saying, you know, is in the context of a meal, and you're praying even there, you know, praying in tongues, but the person who, you know, maybe if it's in a group, he cannot understand, so how will he say, agree and say so be it, right, so that's the thing, but then you understand that for various things, you can pray in tongues, you can, you know, ask the Lord to direct your prayer and say, Lord, I'm praying about this, and I'm going to be praying in tongues for this particular matter, and I'm going to pray in tongues for, you know, the season, right, okay, we looked at that, tongues, how it can be, it can be the refreshing Isaiah 28 verse 12, and Paul referring to that, so a place of quietness, peace, stillness, comfort, okay, the word rest in the Hebrew, so this is the rest, this is the refreshing, so, you know, tongues brings about that in the life of believer, okay, tongues can be assigned to the unbeliever as well, we saw that, tongues can help us overcome the weakness of the flesh, we make intercession for the saints of God, when we pray in tongues, we pray according to the will of God, when we pray in tongues, we build ourselves in faith, when we pray in tongues, we stay in the love of God, when we pray in tongues, you know, when we look at the armor of God, and so I'm sure you've read that many times, Ephesians 6, where every piece of the armor is very, you know, in detail, it's given, right, say, be strong in the Lord and the power of His might, put on the whole armor of God, then we go down to verse 18, it says, praying always with all, sorry, praying always with all prayer and supplication in the spirit, right, so as part of the armor, as part of the weapon, he's talked about all the pieces of the armor, and then he says, praying always with all prayer and supplication in the spirit, being watchful to this end, with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints, and for me that utterance may be given, but then he makes the thing, you know, you pray in the spirit, as intercession, you pray in the spirit, as, you know, praying for supplication, which is petition, petitioning God, you pray in the spirit, right, so it's not only is it part of the spiritual armor, but you know, you pray intercede, you petition in the spirit when you pray in tongues, right, so I'm sorry, there's another book which is also something that I've uploaded in the stream, which you can download and use, which is praying in tongues, okay, so okay, so we looked at all this, when it comes to tongues, we'll look at this and then public tongues in public ministry, can we pray in tongues in public, okay, so we see very clearly, in 1 Corinthians we see that, yes you can, okay, but if it's going to be a message in tongues, then it needs to be interpreted, okay, so 1 Corinthians 14, okay, so this is what we see here, in verse 5, he very clearly says that unless he interprets, the church is not edified, okay, so if it's in church, if it's in a fellowship, it's in a gathering, maybe a Bible study, whatever, if you're going to be praying tongues out loud to the people, let there be interpretation, okay, if there is no interpretation, then there is no edification, people are not edified, you might be edified, people are not, okay, verse 12, he's saying, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel, so which means that, you know, let this public praying in tongues, if there is no edification, I mean if there is no interpretation, do not venture into it, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel, okay, and in verse 13, therefore, let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret, okay, so if you feel compelled to pray out loud, you know, as a message in tongues, pray that you may interpret as well, okay, then does that mean that I should not pray in tongues at all, if I'm in a church, right, if I'm in a church sitting worship, can I pray out loud in tongues, well, this is what we see, right, verse 27, again, if anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three each in turn, and let one interpret, okay, then he says, but if there is no interpreter, verse 28, 1 Corinthians 14 verse 28, but if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, okay, and then he goes on to explain how does this person keep silent in church, it is not that that person is not going to pray in tongues at all, which is interesting, many times we come to that conclusion, tongues, in church no tongues, now that's the conclusion that we come to, but then that's not what he says, is this, if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, let him speak to himself and to God, okay, you see that, so that's the, that's the full verse, that's the full instruction, so you keep silent in church, meaning you don't speak to, you don't address the crowd in tongues, but you speak to yourself and to God, you continue to speak to God, you know, can you hear yourself speak to God, can God hear you, you know, you speak to God, you engage with God, you continue to pray in tongues so that you are edified, you do that, as long as there is an interpretation, you continue to do that, and this is how it ends, verse 39, therefore brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy and do not forbid to speak with tongues, okay, so, and then he says, let all things be done decently and in order, so mainly about prophecy and tongues, you know, a lot of these instructions, but this is what he says, do not forbid to speak in tongues, so which means when we, when we see that was, let him keep silent in church, it means that I can pray in tongues, to, you know, I pray in tongues between myself and God, okay, so that is what we see here, okay, so I'll stop here, I think we've gone beyond, we'll stop here, and just want to encourage you, encourage all of us to continue to pray in tongues, if you've, if you have not yet started praying in tongues, I want to encourage you, you know, to begin to do that, okay, and the instructions like we, you can actually go through the book that we are using, that has a prayer, that has instructions, just between you and God and say, come Holy Spirit, fill me, I know this is for me, this is what your word says, so I want to begin to, you know, pray in this, so help me, and you begin to speak out, you begin to speak out in faith, the words, the syllables that the Spirit puts in your heart, and you speak it out, okay, okay, God bless, we'll meet again next week, see you all, bye-bye.