 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts. Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump. Where are we at, dude? In this remote episode, we're here in Austin, Texas in the Onnit Fletcher house. Find out why it's called the Fletcher house. Man, shout out to the boys at Onnit, Aubrey, Kyle, our boy Kyle Kingsbury, the director of human optimization. Hooked it up. Satting us up. Yeah. They read red carpet treatment, man, this time down. So for the first 40 minutes, we have our introductory conversation, and then we get into the questions. But before we get into the questions, let me go over what we talked about. We talked about the Fletcher house. Find out why it's called the Fletcher house. The story is way less interesting than you think. We overhyped it. We talked about using melatonin as a drug. We talked about cloning primates. Should we be doing that, or should we not be doing that? And are we going? I am frightened. Have you seen Planet of the Apes? Yes. We talked about the evolution of human beings, the plugged in versus the unplugged people. That's a great way to categorize them, Adam. Plugged in versus unplugged. The unplugged people. They live underground. We talked about Trump's tariff on Chinese solar panels, dumb economics. And we mentioned the Organifi Green Juice. Now, we are sponsored by Organifi. If you go to organifishop.com and you enter the code Mind Pump, No Space, you'll get a massive discount. We also went over Doug's Health IQ Life Insurance policy. Quote, he actually got way better prices from Health IQ, who is also now one of our sponsors. And by the way, if you think you're going to die sometime in the future, which is all of you, you probably should get Life Insurance. If you go to healthicue.com forward slash Mind Pump, you'll get something cool. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, how has fast food changed over the years and what does the future of the industry look like as far as menu changes in order for these huge businesses to survive as people become more health conscious? More Dorito tacos. Yeah, that's right. Fire Cheetos. Yeah, fire Cheetos. The next question was, this particular individual says that we like to discuss insecurities as being a major factor. We've got lots of them. In issues. How do we recommend people get over insecurities? And more specifically, what has helped us get over our own? Justin has an insecurity with his extremely handsome good looks. We talk about that. We hug it out. That's how I deal with it. The next question was, is it possible to build a food intolerance to seasonings? Can you get a food intolerance to garlic? This answer will surprise you. Now, I'm Italian, and I think garlic is the food of the gods. So what do I have to say about this? Probably a vampire, if you can't do it. Exactly. God, what if vampires just have a bad garlic intolerance? Yeah, that's like all it was. The final question was, this person says that their dad is diabetic. And that's what motivated this person to have a healthy lifestyle. And it kills them to see their dad feed their disease every single day. And they feel helpless. What strategies do we have to help her or him convince their dad to change their diet to maybe salt? Lots of what nuggets did you call that last night? Lots of nugget bombs. Lots of nugget bombs. That one. I just made that up. Justin. Hashtag nugget bombs. I have to live with it now. You know what? Nugget bombs. Early this morning, Justin woke up and dropped some nugget bombs. I'm dropping nugget bombs all over this fletcher house. All over the place. Also. Sorry about that, Kyle. I want to mention something extremely important. 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Fucking. Powerful title. Great guy, we love him. And he's shown us a phenomenal hospitality. They put us up in the Fletcher house. I'll be honest, when I first saw that we're gonna stay at something called the Fletcher house, I was a little bit. I wanna know the backstory. Yeah, I'm a little worried. I'm like, why is it the Fletcher house? What did Fletcher do there? And why was it branded that? And then we drove up to that. It's like a historical mass murder. Yeah, and then we drove up to it and it's on Fletcher street. So I think that's probably pretty self-explanatory. There we go. Nothing cool about that. I thought there'd be a cool story behind it when we asked Kyle. Why is it the Fletcher house? It wasn't haunted either. I was a little worried last night. You didn't get to stay in a new place. It might be haunted. You didn't hear weird noises or anything at night? No, but you know, in my closet, there's like an extra little tiny door. Another isn't? Yeah, yeah. Did you open it? No, I was like, I didn't wanna open it up. You're scared. Is it locked? Yeah, no, it's open. I'm gonna check it out tonight and see if there's any little grimlins in there or anything I need to get rid of. Bro! I feel like there'd be like ayahuasca ceremony or something down there. Yeah, that's like the secret entrance. Yeah, you open it up and there's like people like, we've been waiting. I'm digging the hell out. I really like it, man. I actually haven't even been upstairs to check out your guys' whole little pad up there. I mean, down here is so nice and cool. I like the modern feel to it. Dude, it's a brand new house, man. It's nice. It's fully stocked with stuff we can eat and on-it products that we can use on our skin, like the soaps and all that stuff. And I have to say, the shampoo and the soap is nice. I like it. It's pretty good. We're not even affiliated. I'm giving them a plug. It's because it's good stuff. You used some of their melatonin last night. It was good. Did you really? Oh, yeah, you did. You sprayed that right in your face. Did you just do one spray or six sprays? No, I only did a couple. I did two. Yeah, because it says to do six sprays, which is three milligrams of melatonin. That's too much. Yeah. That's a lot. That'll cause your body to produce. Well, no, it'll make your body produce less melatonin. Yeah, but you have to do that consistently. Not one time is not going to hurt you. In fact, there's some benefits to doing like a mega dose after flights. I can't remember. That's to reset your circadian rhythm. Right. But there is, you know, it's interesting. We don't know how that feedback loop works. For example, if I gave you, if I give somebody testosterone today, we know how much that will affect your testosterone immediately. And you do get an effect right away, but then it bounces back. And if you stay on testosterone for longer than it affects it more, we don't necessarily know with melatonin. Like if I give you one big dose, are you going to get less natural melatonin the next day, or does it take longer than that? So I don't know. So if I, like I use it this way, and I think it was, I want to say it was Ben Greenfield or some article. It's real big on that. Right. I can't remember where. He pushes shit hard, though. No, I know, of course. So you'd be injecting yourself with like stem cells. But we travel and we fly so much. And when we get back home, this is actually, I have melatonin that sits right by my dresser. And I take that like whenever we get back from a trip. And it's the only time I take it. I don't ever take it any other time, but I take like 10 milligrams. No way. Yeah. 10. Yeah. Do you have crazy vivid dreams with that? No. Really? Yeah. I sleep like a baby. I wake up the next day, feel incredible. I feel like my, and I've done it before. You just do one time. Yeah. Like to make them to, OK. Yeah, one time. That's it. That's what I'm saying. And that's why when you said that, I'm like, well, I don't know if Justin takes melatonin on a regular basis or even though I don't. Right. So I don't think it would have hurt him to do six sprays. And because I've done it, I didn't just go to 10 milligrams. I have I have three milligram and five mil. I actually have two melatonin bottles. So you slowly worked your way. Right. Yeah. I tried three. Didn't really feel like I got a real positive like benefit from it, five kind of. I'm going to drink the whole bottle tonight. I'm convinced. It's non-toxic. But so, or I shouldn't say non-toxic, but it's very low toxicity. So you could technically drink the whole bottle, but I don't know. My theory on this is just like anything else like you brought up with testosterone. I think one mega dose of it, I don't think would kill somebody or fuck up your complete hormone profile. But it definitely would not be good if you continually did that. I know for sure you know it would downregulate. You for sure, I've heard it can be addictive too. So the researcher who or one of the top researchers on melatonin science. And of course, I don't remember his name and I'm going to piss everybody off because I don't. Listen to some interviews. I did read some of his articles and he said that the ideal dose of melatonin is something like a quarter to half a gram of melatonin because of the effect on your own natural melatonin production. I did not hear what they said though about changing or helping your body adjust to its circadian rhythm. And I would assume that you're probably right that you'd need a bigger dose for something like that. Cause he was talking about just using it on a regular basis. So I, like I said, I've had this bottle for probably easily over a year and it's not even halfway gone. So I only use it when we get back. Cause that's, I'd notice, especially when we have somewhere here where we're a couple hours different, it's just enough to throw off my sleep. And then I kind of feel groggy the next day. Unless we get so hyped and we're around each other. Right, right. We're going a hundred miles an hour. And then it's even hard for me to come down when I come home. Cause Katrina always wants me to download everything cause she's curious about everything. You know, and we've tried this before. I'm like, Hey, let's just not talk until tomorrow. You know, then that's awful, you know what I'm saying? So, and it eventually comes out anyways. And so, you know, once I rattle off to her late at night, I have a really tough time sleeping. So I will do this mega dose or I call it mega dose. It's two pills, you know, I have, I have five milligram and three milligram ones. And I just take two of the, Oh, so you're taking eight. Yeah. Eight milligrams. No, 10. So that's, Well, I have two bottles that I have. So you go to five. Yeah. Interesting. So I'll do, I'll do a half to a gram at the most, but I do extended release also. Cause what I did notice, I don't know if you, if you noticed this or maybe you Justin, did you wake up at all in the middle of the night? Yeah. Okay. So what I've noticed and they've shown this in studies is if you take melatonin, yes, you will sleep, go to sleep faster and you tend to sleep deeper. But once that dose that you took wears off, it elicits this wakefulness response. And so what I've noticed for myself is if I take a pill that's not extended release, I'll go to sleep hard and I'll sleep good, but right around like three, 3 a.m, 2 a.m. I'm like up. And I think it's cause, Is that what happened? So I will get the extended release ones. And that typically doesn't happen when I take those. I'll fall asleep and I'll stay asleep. Now is the, there should have gone like another two sprays. What I would do is I have some extended release. No, this one isn't. This is a spray and it's, it's, it's immediate. There is no extended release in the spray. Oh. Yeah. So they make pills that are extended release that are supposed to be better and mimic. Did you try their stuff last night? I didn't. I took the night time on it. What is it? The pack or whatever? Yeah. The pack or something? I had things like Valerian and Camel Mill and five HTTP and I'll check them out. Is that what you served all of us up? That's what I gave you guys. I just trust you when you give us, I don't know if this is probably dangerous. It's not recommended. No, no, no. You can trust me. Sal just hands me pills and I just take it like, You can place our faith in me. If you ever, if you ever fuck with me, you probably won't get a little worried, right? I don't know, dude. We were joking yesterday. What was happening yesterday? We were going to do, we were talking about today cause we're going to do an interview today. We're interviewing Aubrey Marcus at Onnet and we were joking around and you were making that joke, how you just trust whatever I take. And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to give them a bunch of shitty stuff so that I can sound better than them or whatever. What were you telling you? You said what you're going to give me. I was giving you the nighttime packing. Like, what is this? I'm like a Fedra. This is after you sleep. Oh yeah. That's what it was. You know, wear us out all night. Dude, so we got some current events that I posted two of them. One of them is controversial and the other one's way more controversial. So I'll start with a less controversial one. So this is a breakthrough. Gonna ramp up. This is a breakthrough now in science. For the first time ever, they have cloned primates. Oh, I saw you post that on the forum yesterday. Where? US. US has done it? So they've- Is that picture of the apes? Is that picture the actual picture of them? Yeah. So we've only cloned so far in the US. I think we're sheep, right? Dolly and whatever. Now we've done it with primates, with monkeys. So we've actually cloned- The fuck is wrong with us. Now, China is doing a lot of research and this is known on this type of science. What we don't know and always the fear of communist regimes in particular because they tend to hide a lot of things. And hey, this is true for us too though, is how many, how much are they doing on humans? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like how much we- You're so shady. So I saw you posted and you just put stop it. So are you super anti on 100%? You know what I'm anti? Because let me tell you something, what's our message with you? After watching Black Mirror, I have this like, what if though, bro, in our lifetime, we've not only figured out how to clone ourselves, but then also download our consciousness. So right before we're about to go, we fucking hook up a younger version of ourselves and shoot over to basically ourselves again. But fucking- We have- Why is there- I don't know where they like grow themselves again and then they end up like taking- They're put their consciousness into them. That's a sign. It sounds like a sci-fi movie for sure. That's your job. It's messed up. You know what the problem with that is? The problem, and this is a fundamental issue with this, it's a philosophical one, but it's also fundamentally, it's impossible to figure out, is are you, if it were possible, which it's not right now, but let's say we're in the future and we've got this crazy technology, is that really you? Or is that a copy of you? But here's the thing what I say. Who knows? Does it matter? It doesn't matter to everybody around you. Yeah, but it doesn't even matter to me or who I am or whatever, right? Or are you saying like I could die and then I wouldn't? Because you didn't really have the same experiences as you. But it does, because it's got the memory of those experiences. Well, it does, but you have to express those memories. I don't know, it's fucking weird, dude. It's a weird, mind-fuckin' thing to know. It's embedded in the DNA, but it has to go through its own experience. So all of a sudden, like, oh, daddy's back. It ties different personality until it develops. Or what if it's exactly, it's identical to you. Your memory's got everything, but it's not really you, and then that goes into the whole, do we have a soul? Do we have a form? Dude, think it too deep on that makes me weird, get weird and out. I get hella weird when we start talking about that. Would you let your clone bang your wife? That's what I wanna know. Would I? Only if I could watch. So anyway, so here's my problem with what we're doing is worshiping intellectualism or science in general. Science is definitely not perfect. Worshiping science is definitely not perfect. Anytime you worship anything, you got problems. And the thing that I fear about science has been proven over and over again is just because we can doesn't mean we should. How many times have we fucking done this where we think we understand something? So we fucking do it. We're on a race to do what we can do. And by all means necessary without thinking about the ramifications now. It's like, there's really no slowing, like there's nobody with breaks about their kind of like cautioning. Like, well, what if we, what if this happens as a result of this? Well, there's also that conundrum too, that like if we're here in the United States and this is something that we're talking about doing with fucking China is way ahead of us on there. Yeah, we're in the arms race, right? Everybody was together and said, hey, listen, let's not fuck with this as a planet. And we all agree, but we can't do that. So there's gonna be countries and leaders that are doing this anyways. China doubles its population like a year. And that's the, well, that's the fear, right? The fear is, or the motivation many times to allow this kind of stuff is like, hey, the other guys are doing it. But there's a couple problems that one, and there's another topic we'll get into that I was gonna talk about that covers us also. When you have a problem, the solution is usually not more of the problem. So that's number one. So it's like, hey, you know. I can agree with that. There's that. But there's gotta be exceptions to the rule like this one because here's the deal, let's be honest. And you talk about the evil in the world all the time, right? I think that China could all of a sudden produce a million soldiers, you know what I'm saying? That's why. And they like send them over. They don't give a fuck their clones, you know what I'm saying? Oh my God. Send them over to take over the United States. So you gotta think that we have to at least actively be on top of our science so we know that. So here's the thing. First and foremost, those clones would be conscious. They don't have room for all this. Those clones would be conscious. They would have their own values. I know, that's totally exaggerated, right? Yeah, you get what I mean though, we're going with it. I do. But here's the other, there's a few conundrums there. I'll give you an example that's different so we can kind of understand what's happening here. Let's say today, we all of a sudden discovered a way to stop aging. Let's say, oh my God, we've discovered the cure for aging and nobody will ever die of any age-related disease or just from getting old. And so immediately everybody embraces that because fuck, let's be honest. That is the ultimate problem of humanity is that we're all gonna die. Everybody's gonna experience the pain of losing someone due to age or age-related death. So it feels right, right? It feels good and it feels right to cure that. So now let's imagine everybody now lives forever. What we don't know is what are the unintended consequences of that? Now human morality and human ethics and human thought and consciousness is now based, was based on forever the idea that we're going to die. What does that mean? Does that throw all that out of window? How will people act? Will people become depressed because they don't have any purpose? Will people all of a sudden stop valuing certain things and who knows what that could possibly mean? And I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I'm just saying we need to like treat these things like very carefully and delicately and not be so narcissistic to think that because we can, we should because we're so brilliant and we know all the answers and we just fucking don't have. I mean, do you feel that that's the way it is? Or could it be potentially like what I said, which is in fear of that there is another country that is ahead on the science. We need to be at least there on the science. So maybe we'll fuck around with some monkeys and eventually if they, you know what I'm saying? Like, so we're pushing the limits because we know they're already pushing the limits and we just need to make sure that we know what we're on our hands, not necessarily that we're going to start doing this or patent it or let other people do it or teach other people how to do it. It's like, it's either going to be Planet of the Apes or some weird like vampire, like, you know what I'm saying? You guys are living forever. You guys are crazy. Dude, I don't know, man. Which it creeps, you know? I mean, it's, look at, it's like the fundamental problem. This conspiracy theory is right here. By the way, this is an existential problem. This isn't just like a problem for me and you. This is a human problem is that our knowledge is so powerful that we're always in these conundrums where it can be good or bad. Let's look at nuclear power, for example. When we discovered how to split the atom, like, all of a sudden we have all this incredible, you know, knowledge empowered our fingertips. We could create, you know, nuclear power, which can fuel our civilizations. And if we're smart about it, produces very little waste and does all this also awesome stuff. It also produced atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs, which so far has only been used twice. Destroyed millions of people. But if it wasn't Einstein completely scared to death of that, exactly that happening. Absolutely. That was the fear of that knowledge and information. Immediately, he had the whereabouts to think that, oh shit. Everybody on that Manhattan project. Dude, and so far, nuclear power has done or nuclear bombs. Yes, we've dropped two of them, but the argument can be said that we actually probably killed less people than had we not used them. And so far, nuclear bombs have prevented another massive world war. So far, and so far that may show, that may be some evidence that humans at the end of it are kind of like, okay, we need to be cool and not all kill ourselves. Because if we didn't have them, I'm pretty sure the Soviets in the US would have gone to. That's interesting. We almost need that extreme. We need to know where the end line is. That's the extreme end line. If we do launch one of these, it's gonna wipe out mostly humanity. So there it's like, well, we're not gonna fuck with this. And that's what prevents this bullshit. That's what prevents Pakistan and India from going at each other. They don't like each other either, but they all have nukes. And so we're like, well, we can't go to war. Don't you feel like sometimes that we're just kind of going through this growing pain though of evolving as humans? Like I really would think that a superior version of ourselves wouldn't be more violent. I think that it hasn't proven to be successful forever. I think the more evolved version of humans don't look at things that way. So I feel like we are at some of the scariest times when it comes to that. Will it get a little worse before it gets better? Maybe, I don't think that we'll go all the way. I don't think we'll destroy ourselves. I think that I would like to think that humanity is evolving better. So I have a positive outlook like you because historically that's what's happened, but there have been corrections to all our history where humans fuck up and a lot of people die and then people kind of learn from it and then they get better. The problem is our technology gets better. The reality or the potential for our fuckups to be catastrophic become much higher. Intensifies. Yeah, like if you look at, you go back in time and you're like, okay humans, let's say they believed in certain theories or whatever and they apply them and look at Marxism and communism and that killed millions and millions of people, but humanity survived. Well, what if we fuck up again with nukes or we fuck up with biological weapons and now it's got the potential to not just wipe out hundreds of millions of people, but everybody. You know what I'm saying? That's the fear, right? I think the way technology is going, we're more likely to evolve towards the player one direction than anything else. There won't be worry about war and stuff. If there will be any war, it'll be done virtually and it won't hurt anybody and nobody will really interact with each other because they're stuck in their homes all day with some fucking goggles on their head because the virtual world is better than their fucking real world. And we'll have found a way for people to still, that's what I think is scary. I think we're building this alternate world within our world and people are gonna be plugged into it like a motherfucker. This is also why I think the counter and we're seeing that right now, we're talking about news. Did you hear what Taylor was just talking about? Right now it's a $143 billion industry right now is building these communities that cater to this like, that you can grow all your organic vegetables in there, the way the feng shui of the house is all set up, the sunlight to hit it, I mean, it's just this, I mean, it's like a modern hippies. That's what it feels like to me, but it's on the rise like big time. And that's the counter to this. The other part, which is, we have this becoming so plugged in. So I feel like we're gonna see both these polar opposites and they both I think will coexist. I think you'll have some people that will revolt against it and they'll want nothing to do with it because we've already proven as humans, we could survive without it. And you'll have people that will do that intentionally and it'll be a huge market of people. Then there'll be other people that don't even leave their fucking house because how many anti-social people do you already know that already have a hard time talking to people in person and don't have social awareness? This just makes it even easier for them. Look, where online dating has gone in the last like five years, bro. I agree with you. It was something when it first came out, you made fun of people that did online dating. Now it's the other way around. Like, oh, you met somebody in a bar, you actually went like, why wouldn't you just get online? That's a waste of time. That's a waste of time. You probably have to go through seven people that are nothing like you before. We already have evidence of that, obviously. We have modern societies. We have all this technology and then we still have Amish people who decide not to. I just think a majority of people won't want to, shun it, most people will want to be plugged in. That's why I think it'll really be a major division there. They got to figure out how to make your body not completely deteriorate and go to complete mush if everybody's real. If you don't need your body. I think it'll go so big that there will be VR business. Oh, for sure. You know, because people, if there'll be businesses that are built within the VR world and there'll be people that you're either part of the plugged in people or you're the unplugged people, there'll be two real separate communities. And I think that's coming faster than anything else. And within that, I don't think there's going to be a lot of war between us. It'll be like, that's why you want to live us. Well, so on that point, one of the easier you to take over the if you're the plugged in group of people and you're just laying there, they're going to come in. So there's two things. First off, I think you're right. The more, for example, today, the reason why China, who's the other world superpower, poses not even a fraction of the threat that the Soviets posed to us is because we trade so much with China, because we work with them so much. So we have this kind of mutual, like not only mutual destruction. We're going to kill each other because we're going to hurt our economy. Not only that, I mean, we could destroy everybody, but if we fuck with each other enough, we're really just fucking with ourselves. So there's, you know, there's, you know, that that's a big part of it. But here's another question, too, about like this technology we talked about online dating. It's posing interesting problems. For example, when you used to date before, you had kind of this finite, you know, amount of options that you had in front of you. So here you are, you're a person. You have options in front of you for who you're going to date. And it typically, there's definitely like, you know, equal in terms of looks and, you know, values and that kind of stuff. And it's around your town, people around you. But now people are being presented with a tremendous amount of opportunities, a tremendous amount of choices with online dating. Tinder is a good example of that. I think there's good to that. And I also think there's some unseen that's bad. Now, all of a sudden, because you have this idea in your head that you can just meet a shit ton of people, is that going to result in the reduction of value? You just heard about the whole Tinder thing, didn't you? No. Oh, so Tinder just, they just got bought out or acquired, or either acquired or this big, huge company from China invested in them. And this company is known for selling personal information and Tinder has already been hacked as far as getting in and manipulating people's information that they're providing in their Tinder account. And so there's this, it just came, I just read this, it was in the hustle, I think yesterday or today. That's going on, yeah, that's going on right now. Wow, interesting. Hey, so speaking of business, here's the other thing that's controversial. And I knew it would be controversial if I posted it. I put it my answer story. So Trump just recently, I think it was a couple days ago, imposed a 30% tariff on imported solar panels. So a tariff is like a tax, right? So they come in, they're imported from China, we are going to make them 30% more expensive. Now, the goal, so okay, I knew you would say, I knew someone would say that and I figured it'd be you because now why do you like that? Why do you think that's a good thing? Well, because it's going to force people to want to make the solar panels in the US, which will keep money in our economy. And if you're going to still go outside, which is fine, you can. We're going to make sure we make a little percentage on it for when it coming overseas. I mean, again, this is, this is why, and again, I didn't go vote for Donald Trump. So I'm not like pro Trump, whatever. But these are some of the things I like that he's doing. I think economically we're, the decisions that we're making are better than what we were making the last five years. So there are some things that I think he's done. This one is absolutely terrible. And I'll tell you why there's a few, there's a couple fallacies, economic fallacies with this. This is called protectionism or protectionist economics. And it's been done in the past where the US had lots of tariffs and, you know, it never worked. I'll tell you why it's terrible. First and foremost, it's a wealth destroyer. So the reason why Chinese solar panels are so cheap is partially because China subsidizes them. So a subsidy is when the Chinese government literally takes money from their population and decides that they're going to buy down the price of something to boost up or artificially hold up a segment of their economy. So China's decided we want to protect or make our solar business better. So what we're going to do is we're going to take tax money, buy down the price so that other countries now buy our products because they're cheaper. Now for us, the consumer, we pay less for their solar panels, but it is a destruction of wealth on China's end, which by the way comes back to us. Wealth, it's a global economy now. So it's terrible that China does that anyway, but the solution should not be to throw more economic inefficiencies at it. All Trump is doing by raising the artificially, arbitrarily, raising the price of Chinese imports is he is making the American consumer now pay more money as a result. It's just more inefficiency. And what we don't see is we don't see the unseen, which is wasted wealth, more inefficiencies. What we think we're doing is we're protecting our business. So without involving China, because we don't have a say in what they do, how do you solve that problem? Because I agree with you that makes a lot of sense because you're just robbing Peter to pay Paul when you think about it like that. But then what is the solution to that? Because otherwise, our money's gonna go to China because it's so much cheaper. So here's the problem. First of all, our money goes to China, it comes back to us anyway, and it's the money that we save, so it's good. But here's the, it's good on that end, except for the fact that it's wasted money on there and which hurts everybody. Yeah, but you just grazed over that. You can't graze over that fact right there because that is the point that now if they're getting charged 30% tax, there's 30% more money going to the United States and we're still potentially gonna make money off of China because they're buying from China. So it's no different than a central planner saying more money should go to low skilled workers, raise the minimum wage, or the dairy industry, we need to save them because they're a fundamental industry in America. Therefore, we're gonna add a tax to that, or we're gonna make dairy farmers, we're gonna make a law that says you can't sell milk for less because they deserve that money. It's all extreme economic efficiency. And here's the problem. The problem with economics is many times we see a problem and we think that we need to come up with a solution when in reality, many times, most times, the solution is to do nothing. Allow the market to do what it does because if we throw, it's like taking cancer, like, oh, shit, we have cancer. Throw more cancer at it. That's not only is that a poor solution but it only makes things worse. So yes, China's doing something economically that's terrible for us and for them, by the way. It's not helping China. China's creating a lot of market inefficiencies on their end. Well, maybe that's part of his strategy then too, then. I think his... To make it more challenging. I think if Trump is... It could be more... So on top of that, like, you know, having to break somewhat for like the solar companies here tax wise, like is that like part of his strategy? So what I would... So that could be something different, which I would, which is always better. Which is something that I would... Which is always better. That would be something we could do because that just puts more money in the consumer and it allows the companies to spend their money how they see fit. So one thing that I would do is I'd say, hey, since China is placing a tariff or since China is subsidizing their panels and they're coming over here and our guys are getting hurt because of this type of competition, then we're gonna waive all taxes for solar companies here so that they can compete if they want to. And that would be... Like elevate them into that same pool. And that's more free market. You see what I'm saying? So what you're doing, the solution to... So how do you know that's not what he's gonna set up and do? He just added a tariff. Well, so maybe that's the first step in that. Maybe we'll make some little bit more money while I'm getting everything else in place because eventually I am gonna level the playing field and that's gonna drive everybody to go to the... Why even go to China now if you're getting the product for the same price? Trying to level the playing field by raising arbitrarily raising the price or the cost of something isn't leveling the playing field. It's causing more inefficiencies in the market. Lowering taxes is giving money, more money back to the people who earn it and who also pay the price for spending it poorly, which is always a good thing. Nobody will spend money better than somebody who earns that money and who pays the price of spending it poorly. And nobody will spend money more terrible than somebody who pays no price for spending it terribly who doesn't earn it. This is just a fact. So if you lower the taxes, that's always a good thing anyway. People send... You just defined our government. Yeah, basically, right? Basically. So adding a tariff is a terrible idea. Now, if Trump is a brilliant... Negotiate it, right? You could... And this is pure speculation. If I'm looking at Trump and I'm thinking he's like a brilliant negotiator and he's just playing ball with them, then what he's using this as is a way to negotiate with China. Basically say, hey, stop subsidizing your shit. It's somewhat strong arming them. Maybe. Maybe he's using it as a negotiating. He's gonna wait a little bit until China sweats a little bit and then he's gonna say, fine, you remove the subsidies, we'll remove the tariffs. I could see some of that, but in the meantime... That's what I would think. In the meantime, he'd be causing some pain for long-term success. But if he's doing it to get more votes from the American voter, which I think is part of it, I think he's saying, hey, I'm saving your jobs. I think that's totally wrong and accurate. I mean, be honest about what you're trying to do. But yeah, adding tariffs and adding taxes to try to compete with other markets. Because let me put it to you this way. Here's what ends up happening. Here's what's happening in history. Countries start to compete like that. I think no matter what, and this is not just from the president. This is like when you work for a big company, when someone puts out an initiative or something they can do, when it goes out to the media, you're gonna spin it to the positive no matter fucking what. No matter what my strategy is, if I'm CEO of a multi-billion dollar company and I've got thousands of employees working for me, and I know we're gonna have to make some hard turns right now and a lot of my employees may be upset because it's gonna potentially hurt them right now, but the long-term move, I know I'm gonna save this company. I'm gonna, when you put that out to your company and you push it down, we were a part of this for years, you know what that's like. Bro, I would know different from the president. It's on an even more exaggerated level. So then when you're making moves. So if I was in his shoes and I wanted to spin things right and I see China doing this thing and everybody's like, oh, unfair competition. We can't compete with them because they're subsidizing. I would come out and I'd say, and I would satisfy everybody with this one. And I'd say, look, you know what, you're right. Here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna waive all taxes for solar companies here in America. That way they can sell their products cheaper. And conservatives will be happy because it's less taxes. Liberals will be happy because now it's looking like I'm valuing the environment and China would now be like, oh fuck, now they're gonna be selling their stuff for cheaper. For every cause there's effect and you know that. And what we don't know, at least I don't know for sure, what that potentially also could cause, there could be a trickling down effect that doesn't work. So that's to speculate that way and to be able to take some one little thing that's being put out there right now, these tariffs and go, I would do it so differently. What's like, well, yeah, it's real. And this is what I hate about politics is why I hate talking about it's because people take something, they take a piece of it and you could tear anything apart or you can build it up or you could spin it, however you fucking want. And that's the name of this fucking game. So let me give you an example what I mean of when I say the unseen because this is the thing about economics is there's things that are unintended and there's also the unseen. And the problem with the unseen is it's hard to sell it because we literally don't see it. So I'll give you an example. Let's say you have a town that decides to raise their minimum wage to $15 an hour. And a year later, they do a study. And in that study, they find that in the year that they raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, they added 1,000 jobs. Now the people who are the proponents of the minimum wage who come out and say, hey, look, we raised minimum wage $15 and we added 1,000 fucking jobs. That's one example of a million of those that always are happening. Always happening, always. Now they're gonna say that. They're gonna say, look, we raise minimum wage. That's all politics is, that's why it's so lame, bro. But here's the unseen. The unseen is we may have added 2,000 jobs but because we raised minimum wage $15, we only added 1,000. But because that's not seen, that's a hard argument to make. So by raising tariffs, by doing all those different things to sound good to be a demagogue. Oh, it's just like the argument that Jordan Stewart was tackling with the feminist woman that went over the wall. Jordan Peterson. Yeah, Jordan Peterson. What did I say? Yeah, I don't know, you made it up in there. Stewart. Stewart. It's a buddy of mine that's all funny. He said the same thing. Geez, man, but anyway. No, that's the, I don't know. I just, I don't like getting caught up in all that news because one, I do know it's being spun. It's always being spun. You know what I'm saying? It's always being spun and people, when it's being spun the way they like to hear it, we fucking are all pro it. We defend it till whatever. And if it's something that doesn't align with your values or what you like, you're gonna fight for it. It's like, at the end of the day, none of us really fucking know. It could all be a bullshit fucking facade because what's really going on is some fucking scandal somewhere else. Probably. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's just in a distractive distraction. Yeah, I do. It's terrible. No, but I mean, and you know, here's the other thing too. Solish rate. Well, yeah, and here's the thing too with solar, like solar power because people are always like, we need more solar power. That's better for the environments than that. The day that solar power becomes more efficient, cheaper and easier to transport than, you know, carbon fuels like oil. The day that fucking happens, 100% the market will replace oil faster than you can fucking blink your eyes. 100%, it will happen overnight. It's no different. I'll give you an example. 15 years ago, nobody had, not that many people, more than that, let's go back 20, 30 years. Most people didn't have cell phones. Today, most people have cell phones and that wasn't because we made some, you know, some law that said, hey, everybody, this is better for you. That's because people saw it was better and everybody bought it and you go to third world countries now and lots of people have cell phones. So are we gonna have like the petrodollar instead of the petrodollar, it'll be like the solar dollar, something like that? Is that what we're gonna do? Bro, think about that. Absolutely. That's what I think of right away, what they would do, the same thing that we did with oil that we would do with now solar, because we have no fucking golds done, can't do that. You know what I'm saying? So now what do they do? If it's not going to crypto, that would be the only other direction I could potentially see it going in the future. Oh man, that's crazy. Makes sense, right? That's fucking crazy, man. Oh man, hey, thank God for the green juice we have here. We have not, every time we travel, we don't eat enough vegetables. Yeah, we've been eating a lot of meat, but we need the veggies. Barbecue, the green juice literally is a fucking lifesaver in that. I mean, it's not a good, it's a poor replacement. Obviously vegetables are ideal, but. In a pinch though. When I'm not getting any, I can tell the difference when I have the green juice into my digestion. Especially when I'm a little under the weather, which I've been battling this cold. And now it's just like, man, that thing is just, I have to have that around. If I don't have vegetables like, you know, on hand, I got to have that near me. Oh man. Yeah, it makes a big difference. Doug, you were supposed to do, and maybe we'll bring it up on this episode. He did, he did the health IQ, right? I was going to ask, did you do the comparison, the rate comparison from health IQ? Yeah, I ran a little experiment. And what I did is I went to the healthicue.com forward slash mind pump page. I got a quote from them. I put my information. Did you take the test by the way? I did, 192 by the way. Wow, you picked your answer. Oh, you're a champion. You studied. Yeah. Yeah, I studied the past 50 years. Hey, he's been listening to every episode of Mind Pump. These are the right notes. So I submitted my information. They gave me a call back right away. I did their application process, which took maybe 10, 15 minutes, which is a standard life insurance application. They ask all your health questions, your lifestyle questions. So questions like, do you skydive, for example? All the time. Because, you know, Not a good idea for life insurance. Yeah, that factors into the underwriting process. And then they instantaneously gave me back a quote. So what they do is they go out to a number of different companies and they get back the lowest quote. And these are all top rated companies, by the way. And I got my quote back and then I right away took it over to my illustration software because I work with a lot of top companies myself. But there's a few that I use on a regular basis. I ran exact same numbers, half million dollar policy, 10 year, 20 year term for my age. And these are eight plus companies. They were, as I look at my notes here, HealthIQ came back between 13% and 19% cheaper. Wow, look at that difference. Wow. I'm talking super preferred rates that I could get through the company. That's a pretty big difference I work with. That's a really big difference. Yeah. Now, why are they able to do that? Is it because, you know, I have an idea why I think that might be, but maybe you can correct me because you know this world better than I do. Is it because HealthIQ, their total sample size is made up of healthier people than other companies? They're super focused, right? So they, because they have a lot of healthy people, they don't have as much risk and they can pass on the savings. Well, understand HealthIQ is not an insurance company. They're like a broker. They're an agency basically. So they're putting it out. They're looking for farming. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. Maybe these agencies know that HealthIQ specializes this and they give them preferred rates. Well, I think every company has different rates for their term policies. And so what they can do is find the company that specializes in the term policy or has the lowest rate for those type of term policies. And so they just have a lot more options. Now the companies I work with typically term is not their main focus. Their main focus is on permanent insurance or whole life type insurance policies. And so their rates may not be as good for the term products, but their rates may be better for the whole life products. So what HealthIQ can do is they can go out and they say, okay, we have 50 companies. I don't know how many companies they have. So they're like Expedia or... Exactly, or Hotels.com or Countrywide Loans. Even if you look at loans, this is how most insurance, if you're Clint Eastwood, I think even GEICO does it this way too is they get your information and then they go out and they look for companies that will take that risk on and then they broker it out. God, you know what's funny? A lot of them do that. Not that long ago, it was an agent that did that and an agent was a person and they'd go shop a few of them for you. And agents in the past, I believe would get different kickbacks and so they had their own preferred companies now because of technology, they're just like, they're eliminating that. They're like, here's the cheapest one, which Expedia is a great example. Gets through a lot of BS. You know how much cheaper it is now to get to travel and stuff like that because you go through a company like Expedia versus going through an agent. It's fucking amazing. So that's pretty cool. Good stuff, Doug. Absolutely. What's the skydiving thing? Is that just because if you're, well, you're probably more likely to take risk if you've skydived. Right. So they ask questions. It's like, why skydive? Why not fucking go car racing? Do you do skydiving? Do you ride a motorcycle? Risky thing you can do. Yeah, you fly. Like, isn't it private pilot? Do you do spelunking? That's one of the questions. What's spelunking? Spelunking's cave diving. Yeah, so they ask all these questions about high-risk activity. Scuba diving. What's the one where you jump off like of a building? Base jumping. So that, I saw some statistic like the most deaths out of anything you can do is base jumping. Have you seen those people, those wingsuits? Yeah, the squirrel suit. Those people die all the time. Those guys don't have life insurance. There was a documentary that came out that and they were like following all these people doing that. And I believe it was like, it was six out of 10 people from that documentary died. Yeah. What? I don't recommend it. You know what's funny about, I feel like- It's been like a couple years. I feel like we need a certain amount of fucking danger and risk in our lives. And if we make our life too safe because of modern technology and stuff, we end up going out and just creating it. Well, we have. You know what I'm saying? Like, we don't get chased by a lion. Adapting or optimizing. And we go through these phases, right? And even that, think of it in extreme sports. I think extreme sports is one of the best examples of that. Someone learns how to do like the back flip and then for like the next year or two. Everybody does that. Everyone's perfecting that and learning to do that. And they broke through that. That's why roller coasters are awesome. Someone pushes the limits to the next thing. Oh my God, a double back foot. We've never seen this before. You know, it's funny. So first off, why do humans? I know why humans desire that because at some point that was an advantage evolutionarily because somebody took the risk to go taste that food nobody's ever had or takes the risk to go kill that animal to feed everybody. But it's funny because I think animals do the same thing. Like, I don't know about you guys, but you know how many times I've been driving down the road and I'll see like two squirrels on the side of the fucking road. And one of them, well, right before I get there, run across the street and the other one will just watch. And I'm like, is that motherfucker is showing off to us? Have you guys ever had that? Yeah, of course. Where they're like, watch this, watch this. You feel a lot of squirrels that don't make it, bro. They don't always make it. He's trying to get some squirrel tang, you know what I'm saying? Showing off. He's like, hey, baby, watch this. I'm fearless. Well, after, I'm convinced you're probably right after watching the Planet Earth 2 again and seeing how like all the way these, the way the mating happens in the territory. Well, it's pretty crazy. It's pretty funny. And then reading Jordan Peterson's book and now going through the hierarchy of the lobsters and how they deal with stuff, which is pretty, it's pretty funny how they just fucking take from each other. It's just how it's worked forever. Animals. They're just animals. Yeah, we're animals too. All right. Bring on the bird. Kymera Quas. The ankle has landed. Kymera Quas. Today's Quas being brought to you by Kymera Coffee. It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural nutrients for a cleaner, calmer and more focused buzz without the crash. Click the Kymera link at mindpumpmedia.com and input the discount code Mindpump a checkout for 10% off. It's the motherfucking Quas. The eagle has landed. Quique Quas. Our first question is from Farron Holt. How has fast food changed over the years and what does the future of the industry look like as far as menu changes or mergers acquisitions in order for these huge businesses to survive as people become more health conscious? I don't know. I don't know. I think it's really a good question. Bro, think about it. Think about when we were kids. Yeah, no, there's always a healthy menu on it very fast. I'll give you one example of how it's evolved. It's so funny that you pick this question, right? Yeah. OK, it's so funny you pick this one. I really like it. I think it's a really good question. It's a very good question. It's stop provoking. So trip off this. So I was on I don't remember what page I belong to on Facebook, but I belong to all these groups. And then someone posted a picture of a Big Mac, a Big Mac, excuse me, a circa like 1987. Oh, I've seen this. And it was the tiny. But no, not just that. It was the old. No, 1986. It was the same size. You're going for the big Mac was the same. But the container was the old Styrofoam. You remember the Styrofoam containers? Oh, yeah. There is an example of how the fast food industry has totally evolved because all recyclable. It used to all be Styrofoam. Everything was Styrofoam, your burger, your everything was in the Styrofoam containers, but pressures from consumers who were like, no, that's terrible for the environment, forced everybody. Now everything's in a wrapper and it's biodegradable. So there's a good example of how things have changed. Well, that's OK. So I think that's an excellent point because that's the direction I see it continuing to evolve and then offering healthy options. But I don't think you're going to slow down the consumption of the garbage food. I think there is a large majority of people that always be a demand that no damn well, that's not ideal for the body. It's not healthy. And they're actually the majority. Keep that shit. The person asking this question probably falls in the category of no, my goal. No, you're right. You're right. Look at the marketing in the last five years. How much it's all about the dollar, the $2 now, the $3 minimum. It's all about it's all about saving money, getting more calories. All they have. Do you know who buys all that? By the way, do you know who who buys who's the market that is targeted the most with the cheap, fast and, you know, in the weird, I would assume it would be single mothers with three kids. No, it's not. So I thought the same thing. It's not. It's young men, young men. Really? Yes. If you watch the commercial now, pay now, now pay attention. If you watch Taco Bell commercials, if you watch McDonald commercials, if you watch Carl's Junior commercials, the gordita crunch Dorito covered this, that and the other and it's put in your face and it's fucking awesome. And it's donor students. It's young dudes. And the reason why it's young dudes is because women have been marketed to longer for health for longer. Women have been a market to I need to be held. And mainly it's because they want to look. Yes. You know what I've seen? What a great point. You know what I've seen is like the merger of like all these sort of like novelty foods that are like Doritos becoming part of a fucking taco. You know, and it's like they're trying to like, like merge a lot of like our old memories together and like put it in this. Well, it's like a fucking. There was also something that started to happen as I was coming out of out of high school and seeing and I remember on the oldest of six, right? So I have all these are five of these, all these younger brothers and sisters that I've seen with a huge age gap. And I remember this starting to happen, seeing it a little bit in my school. And then I remember like my scene, my younger siblings, like everybody did stuff like this, which it started to get popular to get like these fire Cheetos and then pour nacho cheese inside the inside the bag and then just like eat it. Like this was either finding out all those things and then they're putting it out there as like a product. Yeah, exactly. So now what I think is that sort of, that's Taco Bell, all these fast food. That's their response to the social media like fries dipping into their memory, dipping into the frosty. Yeah. They've done, they've marketed to that. So they market. Absolutely. So here's what I think. I think that the fast food market, it's already shown, there's already strong evidence that the fast food market is trying to cater more to the health conscious as being health conscious becomes more mainstream. And the example that I gave earlier of how these fast food companies are, who the ones who are trying to hold on tightly are advertising to young men because that's the segment of the population that doesn't care as much about their health because women, even single moms are care a lot about their kids. And as the information comes out that they need to be healthy. They're still looking for cheap, but they're looking for cheap and healthy. And here's the other example that I have, or some more examples. You have companies like Chipotle, which fucking exploded. Well, it's a different class of fast food now we're talking about, which is interesting. Fast food is changing because now they're trying to be healthier and fresher. And here it is, you know, more for. Chipotle, Baja Fresh, these are all examples of that. But catering to the convenience that people really want. They want it quick, timely, like on my lunch break and I want it fast, but like, not horrible for me. That's right. And I really think this is what we're gonna see. You're just gonna see more of that. I don't think you're gonna see companies like McDonald's and Burger King. I don't think you're gonna see companies like this collapse or get overtaken by these healthy ones, but you'll see more of the type of Baja Fresh, Chipotle type of fast food places that will come about. I think that's all that we'll really see. I think what's funny too is that, you know, now I have kids in school right now. So if you have a birthday party and you have a bunch of kids over, when we were kids, when I was a kid, when there was a birthday party, it was like a fucking treat to have McDonald's for everybody and it was great and it was totally socially acceptable and it was all awesome. If you had a birthday party now and you had McDonald's for everybody, there'd be a little bit of social stigma. There'd be a little bit, especially depending on what class you're in. So if you're like middle or upper middle class, you'd see all the parents kind of be like, oh, that's not organic or that's McDonald's. But the funny thing is if you had pizza, nobody would really care and that's like totally, and it's all about what's socially acceptable. So slowly what's happening, I think, is it's becoming less socially acceptable to go with convenient what we consider unhealthy. Oh, wait till the campaigning on both sides. I predict this, wait till the campaigning on both sides is gonna look like this, where you're talking shit about the other side. So it becomes like this, the commercials will be about making fun of healthy people who are eating at Chipotle, like start only eating a salad, looking all fucking emaciated. Like it'll be like, sure, if you wanna, or if you wanna enjoy, and then it'll be like some construction worker who looks good handsome, biting into a cheeseburger or like that. Do you guys remember the Colossus Burger? Where was that? That was like Jack in the Box. So it was like three patties of meat and like bacon in between each one of those layers with cheese. It was like the most crazy fucking awesome burger. But like, Dude, teenage boys don't give a fuck what they're eating right now. That's the thing, like they're gonna make it like more ridiculous. They'll make it cool, yeah, they'll make it cool. They'll be like, fuck counting your calories, fuck trying to care about this stuff. Here's a two-eat-boy-500,000-cali. Train big. It'll be like that. As eating healthy gets, because young men are less typically, by the way, less interested in necessarily being, watching their figure, being lean, that kind of stuff. They're more interested in like, I'm a teenager, I can eat whatever I want and I gain weight. I just want food and I wanna perform well, right? As healthy food gets tied to performance, I think you'll start to see teenage boys try to eat healthy as it gets tied to performance. That's happening right now. You know what interesting did, is there a study on millennials in eating fast food? Because I guarantee it's gone down. Yes, it already has. Market-wise it has got out, but here's what I think will make companies like McDonald's start to go up again. First is catering to and showing that they're also more health conscious, but here's the other one. I think McDonald's being the prototypical American company that was built from nothing and really stands for America. As you start to get this wave of nationalism come forward, I think that's what'll make McDonald's big, where McDonald's come out and they're gonna show like old videos and old pictures of McDonald's, the good American, whatever, your grandfather ate it and the greatest generation and this and that, that'll get people to go to McDonald's for sure. Because now people are gonna be like proud of. It'll be interesting. Because there was a backlash for a second against that kind of stuff. I mean, they dominate the pie right now and I think that you're gonna see a lot of these other healthy places. And I'm like calling Chipotle or those like healthy by any means. I'm just saying that it is the better option. And they're marketing to being healthier. Right, exactly. So I think you're gonna see more and that'll get competitive. I think it'll become healthier and healthier. I think it'll become more organic and more natural. I think that you'll see these things. I don't think it'll ever even threaten though the rest of the pie. I mean, you're talking like 80% of the population fall in the last month I've had McDonald's case. You're one of those things and then how many people have ate from one of the healthier choices. So I still think they're gonna dominate the pie. I just think we're gonna see a nice sliver or started to. Remember when we for, I remember this, right? I remember the first one when I first came around here where we lived, I mean, I was driving across town to just go to this healthy kind of fast food place. And it was only open certain hours and I was pissed all the time. Now in the Bay Area, it's somewhat competitive. It's pretty easy for me to go find somewhere where I can get a pretty decently healthy choice. That didn't exist 10 years ago. You're just gonna now and I'm sure there's places in the country that it doesn't still doesn't exist. I think what we'll see is it's becoming popular enough that you'll see these pop up and the types of communities that care about those things. And you'll see that like earlier. Now who bought Tripoli? Wasn't it? The Donalds bought them for a while. There you go. But they sold them. I think they're gonna, I think they're gonna start hedging their bets and trying to, and you know what? Here's the thing. It's like Nestle buying the organic. Here's the funny thing to me. And part of me, my ego looks at this and like scoffs, right? But the other part of me is like, whatever it's still good is the trendiness of eating quote unquote healthy. And what I mean by that is you have people who really have no idea of what eating healthy is, but you see that it's kind of this trendy thing now where they're like, hey, everybody come over. We're gonna have bone broth. Oh, that's like this. And it's like, you know, and it's like, you don't really know what health is. I know you're doing it because you think it's cool. That's this brain hacking community, right? Yeah, exactly. It's the same fucking community. Dude, they're the same people. Like just all of a sudden we learned some shit about Neutropics and all of a sudden it's all about hacking this. It's like, listen, that shit matters. But dude, if you're still getting fucking high and drunk and then sleeping like shit, dude, come on, bro, that's your fucking pills you're taking for $3 of pills, not helping you out that much. Dude, you guys remember, we're still talking about fast food, but like KFC and like Patton Oswald when he did his bit on like the double meat. So there was like two pieces of chicken. Oh, the burger with the fried chicken instead of buns. He was fried chicken instead of buns. And then like, so he was making fun of it, you know? And it was like hilarious. And then he made fun of like their bowl. Like we're just like pigs just eating out of a fucking, you know, a slide down. I didn't see that. So anyway, so they're gangster, right? They came after him and we're like, no, no, no, like everybody. America loves it and this and that. So they went all the way, I've been watching like the way that they've marketed and advertised since. And so like, dude, the ultimate like coup de gras, they came back, they basically hired every single like comedian they could to represent like like Colonel Sanders now. I don't know if you've noticed that, but like it's like, it's a smart strategy. Yeah. So now it's like, oh, you're going to fuck with us. We're going to get all of your friends. It's smart because now they seem cool and funny and hip. And you know what I mean? Yeah. So what are they doing? So what they're doing is they're, have you seen the commercials where there's like a comedian who's pertaining to be Colonel Sanders? Yeah. And they do these really funny commercial. It's kind of like, I guess it hurt their sales somewhat just his, his standup. Oh, really? Cause they were mocking the company. They're mocking. Now they didn't, they didn't get in control for slander or anything like that. No, no, no. He's just talking shit though. It's not like, Yeah, you can't fuck with them. It's a speech, you know, it's, that's, that's hilarious. But yeah, you gotta ask. He's just doing it like a parody almost. Yeah. It was a standup. Oh, you got to ask yourself when you, when you look at somebody, when you think about this, you would think that would draw more attention and help them and not actually hurt, right? This is a burger that has fried chicken as the pet of the press. You got to ask, dude, That's not real, right? He's talking about it burning your hands. They served that? That was for real. This, this, this still exists. I don't know if it's still exists. I didn't even know that. Are you kidding me? Bro, I haven't been to a KFC in probably 20 years. Bro, I ruined myself a KFC. Meat, sandwich, maybe three of exaggerating. Maybe like 15 years. That's a long fucking time since I've been in one of them. Dude, I ruined myself with KFC. I used to love KFC. And then at one point I was trying to do this bulk where I was trying to gain weight. And at this point I got up to, I got my body weight up to 235 and it all came from force feeding myself. Everything. Do you know what made me stop eating KFC? I'll never forget this. It was during me trying to bulk up. Just like you're saying, I used to eat it all the time. Is this at Santa Teresa? Cause it was down the street. No, before even, dude. I go, this is all the way back to when I first started at Calpama Key Day. So I'm like 20, 20 years old and I used to eat chicken like crazy. And I remember when this was before fucking people had these abilities to figure out macros and calories really fast and easy. And I had to woke up on books and I looked up KFC and the ratio of fat to protein was so poor in comparison to like a McDonald's burger. Oh, that's why you stopped. So I stopped at the whole time. I thought I was getting, I was really getting more protein. I'm getting so much more protein because it's chicken. It's all chicken, right? But then when I saw the ratio of fat calories to the protein, I was like, shit, I can have my Big Mac, which I love and enjoy even more. And it's actually giving me a better ratio of fat to protein. So my story is way worse because that's actually kind of. Which by the way, there's no logic to that now. It's stupid, but that's speed, just honest. That was my thought process back then. That was a greasy chicken. That was a more logical thought process for me because what I did was, and I remember this, bro, like it was yesterday. So you remember, you know, Ryan, my old business friend of mine. So that motherfucker just naturally is a big dude. And so I went head to head with him to see who could gain the most weight. Now, here's a guy that walks around. Never would never, if he didn't lift weights, he'd walk around at 220. So I was already in a losing game, but I'm extremely competitive. So I went to KFC because I'm like, I need more calories. I went to KFC and I bought a bucket like for a family of five of fried chicken. And I sat there and I ate the entire thing. And I swear to God, I smelled like chicken for like three days afterwards, dude. My skin smelled like, and it made me so sick. You're lucky you didn't turn into one. Bro, I couldn't, I can't even look at it anymore. It makes me want to throw up. I literally ruined it. It's good going down though, you know? Yeah, not anymore. It tastes good, but no, it tears you up. Dude, I wonder, I want, actually no, I'll put money on this, 100%. I guarantee you for some of these companies like KFC and Taco Bell, their P and R team or their product development team, they're in an office and they're all sitting around and they're all getting really fucking stoned. That's how they come up with the right ideas, bro. That's the only way you can explain the meat sandwich. Jack in the box totally goes after stoners. I mean, that's, they open 24 hours. Well, they were the first one to do it. They were so brilliant. That was like one of the most brilliant moves in fast food. When they were the first one to say, fuck closing at midnight, dude, we're gonna keep this shit open all day. Hey, when you have the munchies, they would even say. And I remember in high school, that was the place to beat, bro. After party, there was only one place to get food. It was Jack in the box. And they made the hell of cheap. The entire time. Yeah. Tacos. I live off of 20 tacos for a long time. Because stoners don't usually make a lot of money, right? It's like cheap, open 24 hours. Two tacos for 99 cents, bro. Because you know they're sitting in a room, they're stoned as fuck. They're like, you know what? All right, let's write down three of our favorite things. And they don't really know how to cook. They're like Doritos, Captain Crunch, and fucking tacos. Oh, shit. Let's make a Captain Crunch Dorito taco. Dude, in my town, Denny's and Jack in the Box had the monopoly on fucking all food served after 11 o'clock at night, man. Every single night. And you were either in Denny's or Jack in the Crack. Those are the two places. You know what? I tell you what. I talk about how my gut is off. And I blame supplements. And I blame, but I need to say this. A big other half of that equation was their shit food that I would eat trying to bulk up. Carl's Jr. for sure. So I think the biggest thing we'll see. And as far as mergers and acquisitions, you've already seen this happen with we just saw Amazon pick up whole foods and you know about the Amazon Go store. So I think we all believe that you're going to see that same technology into whole food. So we're real soon going to be able. I think that's fucking cool. That's not obviously fast food. No, all these huge companies are hedging their bets. Nestle, who bought Garden of Life. Right. All these major companies. But that's what you'll see. They'll still be both will exist. And I still think that shitty fast food will still dominate in comparison. And that's just because there's. I mean, if you're listening to this podcast, you're not you're a minority. Yeah. I'm saying the majority is everybody's not listening to this podcast. So think of it like that. So I don't think we're going to see much really change. Interesting. Next question is from cubic Kenny. I feel like you guys discussed insecurities as being a major factor in issues with other people. How do you get over insecurities and what helped you guys with your own? This is a tough one. So I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on other people getting over their insecurities. What I can say is what worked or how I worked on it for myself. Well, I want to start with, I don't know if you ever fully get over them. So that's an interesting. I recognize. I believe when you have something, especially if it's a deeply rooted, which most insecurities are that drive all the way back to childhood. And I think it's happening in a formidable time of your life that it's part of you. It is part of who you are. And I think that you were just this is serendipitous. You were just talking about this 45 minutes ago with Taylor. Oh, you overheard us. Yeah. Yeah. Talk if you don't mind talking about that a little bit. Well, a part of we talked about a lot of different things. I mean, my drive to succeed. Yes. So I had a major insecurity with so I short sold my house. God, it's been like six, five years ago now, five years ago. I short sold my house. And I went through like a little depression for a while because I didn't and I don't realize. And this is me speaking hindsight, right? This at this time, I wasn't even aware of what was going through. I know it just beat me up. So I went through like this little bit of depression. And I'm not a guy to get like that at all. And what I realized was I identified so much on success and good credit. And most people that hear short sell of a house, they think like, oh, he must have overextended himself. He must, you know, he must have took out a bunch of money and spent in and been, you know, a bad investment, right? Bad investment, not very smart move. And like I fell into that category. And in fact, it was actually a strategy that I was doing that was recommended to me to my buddy at the time. He was a very, very smart guy and it did work out to my benefit. And it was a smart move. But outside or looking in, I knew it didn't look that way. Because every time I tell someone that they, oh, that that was what they say right away. I mean, even Taylor this morning, I see, oh, did you take out a big well, you know, fucked up low? And I'm like, no, actually, it was totally fine. But my house was upside down. The market took it. Yeah, it took a shit. And you know what? We have to also paint the paint the picture of the context at this time. You're a young man. And up until this point, you've been extremely successful because you're hardworking, obviously talented, hardworking. You're making good money, especially for your age. You're very responsible. You come, you come from a poor background. So you weren't not, you were, you know, lower middle class or lower class. And the people around you or people who didn't know you, maybe even people, you know, from the outside expected you to be a statistic that would normal. And so now you identify with I'm successful. Well, also, like what you're saying, too, is so true is that, you know, so not only did I grow up that way where we didn't have a lot of money, but we also my family was very irresponsible with money. So I was the opposite of that. And I never wanted to be that. That was so important to me that I was responsible. I mean, it was 21 buying my house. Like and I saved all that. I didn't have any help or anything to get there. And that was that was a big deal for me. And it was a big deal that I'd never missed a credit card payment in my life. I had a 785 cost score. All these things were so important to me and and they were all good things. What drove me is this is going to like Lewis House and talking about the mask, right, this this mask that I was wearing, what the propelled me to be successful. So why would I ever shun it or be? But for the first time, I was faced with it when she got flipped on me. And that's what sent me into depression. I didn't realize it till afterwards that how much I identified with that because it was so important to me that people did not think of me like my family, what I came for. What a great lesson that you were given. That was it was a it was a major lesson for me. And it made me realize that I'm more than my things and the monetary success that I've had and stuff like that. I'm more than that and to not attach myself to that anymore. So it was a major growing experience for me, but it still exists. Like, I don't think that I got rid of it. I think that's part of who I am. And there's a part of it that I think I think that's why I always you always hear us on the show, too. We talk about your greatest strength is your greatest weakness. I think sometimes a lot of our insecurities drive us to be successful in a lot of avenues, not just financially. But I think in relationships and with fitness, like a lot of these insecurities, some of the most the fittest people I know have the biggest insecurities. And that's what drove them to be that way. Some of the most successful people I've ever met in my life have huge insecurities. That's what drove them to be that way. So I think that everybody has this or deals with it. And I think just becoming aware of it is the first the first right step in that direction and understanding what are your insecurities. And this goes back to what I always talk about when you get these state changes to a day because you tell yourself you don't realize it, but you give the flags go off all day long. Somebody says something to you. And part of I was sharing something with Taylor, too, that, you know, somebody could say something. It triggers something of me that I have an insecurity and then I can tell how I respond to that person. If I'm kind of throw something venomous at them or say some shit or notice my energy or my attitude changes, like I'll reflect on that later on that night for sure. And go like, oh, well, not about anything to do with that person, everything to do with me and why did that bother me? Why did I act like that? And it's always rooted by an insecurity. And I think that becoming aware of that and then being able to be smarter about the future decisions that you make when that comes because it'll it'll rise again. It's guaranteed if it's an insecurity of yours, you'll be faced with it again. And then now take that into consideration like, oh, I feel really strongly about this way because I know it's my insecurity. So even though I want to say this to Sal and stand out this is how I feel. I also know that part of that's driven for my insecurities. Maybe I should back out a little bit, listen to him a little bit more, let me hear more of your perspective and be had that open mind. No, I think insecurities are, we have some that are deep rooted. I think some pop up because of life circumstances. I mean, you could be, you could develop an insecurity as an adult. Let's say you've been married for a long time and then your spouse cheats on you whenever, now you've all of a sudden got this insecurity of, are people gonna cheat on me? Can I trust people? But I went through a very similar one. We talk all the time about our insecurities with our body images and all that stuff. And that was one that I had when I was young, but I had a similar issue in relation to success. So when I first got into fitness at the age of 18, day one, I was successful. From day one, I was dominated, absolutely dominated in at the time, the largest fitness organization in the world. And in a very short period of time, I was managing these clubs. They were calling me a phenom and it was just, it felt effortless and me, I did work hard, but it was just something that I did very well and I enjoyed it. And when I left corporate fitness, I went and opened up my own wellness facility. And I had a lot of learning lessons with that because here I, and what the problem was, is I attributed, I identified with the amount of money that I earned as being successful. That was the only metric that I really placed value on. It was how much money did I make? That's how much, that's my success right there. So now I own this small business. I'm working with other people. I'm having challenges in my personal life and money-wise, it took me a while. It took me a long time to really start making some money with my business. And then I made some business decisions that didn't pan out. I had to make some other decisions. So for 12 years, I'm the small business owner and I went from being this unstoppable machine, this hero, this fucking phenom and business to all of a sudden now, I'm having these fucking struggles and I'm not becoming what I thought it would. Cause I walked into it and I'm like, I'm untouchable, I'm gonna blow up. And it didn't happen. It took 12 years for me to learn that. And if I look at that from a money perspective for how much I earned, I could say, wow, what a failure. I'm a total failure. And what it did in me is like you, I identified with being successful. So it was a very difficult thing for me to swallow because I had to reevaluate what success meant. Now, when I started to understand that and say, okay, I didn't make shit tons of money. I didn't open up 15 locations to become this mogul. Does that mean I failed? And I looked at all the other ways I succeeded. Well, during that period of time, I completely transformed and grew who I was, how I worked with people, how I managed people, my understanding of fitness and health to the point now where this is who I am now on this podcast. It completely transformed me with how I developed relationships, how I valued other things in my life, how I started to develop what I consider balance in my life. And so when I look back on that, I look at it as a total success and a learning period. And that's what I got from revisiting it. Now, if I don't, here's the problem. If I never did that and if I never self-reflected, or like you said, if you never self-reflected and looked at those things and if you continue to identify from them, then insecurities are worth nothing. Now those insecurities don't teach you a goddamn thing. It's interesting, I always tend to recognize my insecurities. Like I feel like I've overcome a lot of insecurities and that was like, my biggest mission is to recognize them, overcome them, or just drive completely towards that insecurity and see if I can overcome this weakness or this area of my life that I know is something that always kind of, like it keeps popping up for me and I don't like it. I don't like that. That's a great strategy. And so, but I do see a lot of times it's still there, man. Like I'll have a conversation with somebody, even if it's a family member or something and they'll mention something that I've done or something in the past or this and that and it'll trigger me. And I feel like it always revolves around something that I'm not very good at, right? Or something that I've been overlooked in that certain like aspect. And so I just like, it's interesting because you could just feel the change of energy in the way that I communicate back. And then like I've only just started to kind of recognize how that really tenses me up and how I project that onto somebody else. So you guys both make really good points because I think there's another problem here that we need to talk about. Adam touched on this a little bit. I don't even know if you realize this, but sometimes we can look at insecurities and think to ourselves like, we need to eliminate them all and never have them and be afraid of them popping up. And I think that's wrong because insecurities can be drivers and can be teachers. And if you're afraid of being insecure, you've now created another insecurity which is being insecure about being insecure. And so it's, you need to be able to look at it, embrace it, know why it hurts. Like I'll give you a personal example. I, the most recent time that I can think about that I got seriously challenged within security. Like I mean, really got challenged was going through my divorce 100%. While I was married, one of the gripes that my wife had against me was that I was not super involved as a parent. Now I'm a very loving father. I'm very expressive with my kids, but I wasn't involved in the day-to-day like she was and I wasn't nearly as present as she was. And she would hammer this to me and this became one of her major gripes. Well, now we get divorced and now I'm 50% custody and now I'm doing things for the kids, with the kids that I never did before like scheduling school stuff and their extracurricular activities and I'm dealing with things that I've never had to deal with before and I have to be organized a particular way. And oh shit, I forgot that he has practice and we missed it. And now I'm this, and I was so insecure that all these things that she said to me were true because she would package them as you're not a good father, which I know is not true. But it fucking hurts, right? So I examined that and what it did is it motivated me when before I was able to process it, what it did is it motivated me to do things that were not beneficial, like buying more stuff for my kids to make up for it or giving them everything they want. Or getting more organized because you have to be to be successful. And that's what I started to do. I started to look at it and say, okay, no need to overcompensate. There's a little bit of truth to this. There's a reason why you feel this and it motivated me to change those things. Well, it wouldn't be unless there was just a little bit of truth, right? You had to adjust things and like, you recognizing that makes you even better overall anyway. So staying with the insecurity that I'm talking about because I think I have tons of insecurities and what Taylor and I are talking about, I still see it surface. I see it surface even in my actions or my conversation. And so before it turns into something that could turn into depression or hurt me with a career move or something like that, it starts with that. And I think a lot of people ignore even their attitude and the things they talk about. And to give you an example, I had this habit and I catch myself all the time. I think I've definitely gotten extremely better over the course of 15 years of being aware of this and watching it happening, getting better and better and better, because it's a process. If I'm talking to somebody who I know is really successful, I have this bad habit of wanting to share my bankroll. And not literally my bankroll like, oh, I'm worth this money. You wanna prove yourself. Right, I want, exactly. Why fill this, and that's me reflecting, obviously going through, I'm just having a conversation. What happens that fast? I'm just talking back and forth. But I'll do this where I interject things to let you know how successful I am. And it's like, that's an insecurity of myself. And if you're a really smart guy, I see that a mile away when someone does it to me. So you know damn well that if this guy's as successful or more successful than me, the motherfucker probably sees it right through me. So by me, me just being aware of that and like sharpening up my conversation, that also puts me in a better position in the conversation or a relationship like that and makes you feel and look much more confident when you do that. So this is something that like, even being a knowing that's an insecurity, knowing it's driven, I've been successful from it, but then also being aware of it and then learning how to navigate around it because it will always continue to surface and it may not surface and show itself in this and rear its ugly head on you, but you may see it in the way you talk and your attitude. And I think that's a great attitude because insecurities that you don't visit and challenge and try to grow from end up, they end up killing you. I mean, I don't, maybe not, maybe not literally. Not even that, check out, think of it this way. Here's where I like to start people. Just start with your disagreements and your fights that you have with your boyfriend or girlfriend or husband or wife that guarantee if you can take yourself, separate yourself from the argument that something that got you to even allow it to escalate to that, there's an insecurity rooted somewhere in that. 100% agree. 100% agree. Otherwise you wouldn't get so heated about it. Exactly, otherwise you wouldn't give a fuck. Otherwise that person would just be blah, blah, blah, blah, or they would make a point and you'd be able to be like, oh yeah, you're right, I did that without being like, ah, you know. But if you allowed it to escalate to where it turned into an argument where nothing got accomplished, it is, this is why it's always both parties fault, then there's something that was said, done, that's hit, that triggered an insecurity of yourself and that you just, you were given a gift right now. Can you dive into that and figure that out? And here's an important thing to know about insecurities that I've learned. This is my own personal experience. Of course, I'm not like an expert or clinical psychologist on this, but I've observed this many times with myself and with clients and just in the world around me. And that's this, when you don't challenge your insecurities, when you don't try to bring more awareness and growth to them, they will figuratively destroy you and sometimes literally, and I'll give you an example, if you never visit your insecurities with your body, if you constantly think my bodies don't look right, I don't look good, I don't look good, it will drive you to more and more dangerous things. Anabolic steroids, plastic surgery, extreme dieting to the point where you'll absolutely destroy yourself. The same is true for money. If I'm constantly insecure about not being successful, no amount of success will ever satisfy that. No amount of anything will ever satisfy an insecurity that you don't challenge and grow from. And that's why it's important because those insecurities cannot be quenched by anything other than what's inside of you. That's a hundred percent. So that's where they become dangerous and that's why I think it's important to look at them. Next question is from Carter's consumptions. Can you build a food intolerance to seasonings like you can to a food eaten repeatedly for an extended period of time? For example, could you develop a food intolerance to say garlic powder or pepper? Oh, you can develop a food intolerance to anything. Sure. Because you can have an intolerance to garlic and garlic powder is just a concentrated form of that. In fact, putting tons of garlic powder on it, if you had an intolerance would probably flare it up worse than actually having a garlic clove. So the reason why he asked this question and I've been asked this question before is because when you look at the comment, like if we were to list the top five things that people in America are allergic to or intolerant to, they would look like this. It'd be dairy, nuts, soy, wheat, and I don't know what the fifth one would be. Something that's really, really common. You figure you ask yourself like, why are there things that are so common? Like why is a peanut allergy so much more common than say an allergy to beef or something like that? There's a couple of things. First and foremost, it's exposure. So it's expected that you're gonna find more people intolerant to rice in Japan than you will find in the US. And if you study the literature, you'll actually find that that's true. More people are intolerant to rice than there are in the US. So part of it is exposure. If under the context of inflammation, if you have an inflamed gut, if you're consuming a lot of the same thing, that gives the opportunity for those particles, for those food particles to move through the digestive system in ways that they're not supposed to or go through the gut wall when they're not supposed to, which gives your body or your immune system more of an opportunity to develop antibodies. Now you've developed an intolerance and an immunity issue to it. That's number one. But number two, some foods just simply are more immunologic. Some foods are just more likely to create problems. And the reason for this, and what people think the reason for this is, is that foods have in them, many foods have in them natural substances that make them more difficult to digest as protective mechanisms. For example, when you consume eggs, for example, egg whites, far more people are allergic or intolerant to egg whites than there are to egg yolks. They're all the egg and yet people with gut issues typically can tolerate egg yolk, no problem. And egg whites many times will cause an issue. This is because when you examine the egg, you find that the egg white serves many functions, but one of them is to protect the yolk and it contains natural antibodies. Now cooking an egg destroys many of them, but many of them do stay present. So if you've got these natural antibodies, you consume them, you have this compromised context of inflammation, boom, egg whites become more of an issue. Certain foods have this as well. Legumes are one of them and peanuts are a legume. Gluten is another one, dairy is another one. So although some foods you're more likely to have intolerances to, that does not mean you can't develop an intolerance to something that you eat all the time just because you- Well, and more often than not, that is it, right? That I mean, it's the food. I mean, this is why I think food rotation is so important. So important because it could be a healthy food that you become intolerant to. It doesn't matter if your gut is inflamed and that's what penetrates because you're, and you're more likely to penetrate the gut lining if that's what you're consuming all the time and you just happen to be inflamed and it's like, oh shit, you know, avocado is one of my favorite things to eat all the time. And I have it every single day and it's healthy for you, so it's cool. But wait, also I'm inflamed and that's now what I'm intolerant to. I'll never forget. So back when I had my studio, I had a young lady in there that was a gut health expert. This was one of the things that she really focused on. And at the time I wasn't super on board. I was still kind of, I was transitioning from the bro, like macros only count, proteins, fats and carbs too, kind of learning about these things. And this is before I had my major gut issues that kind of forced me to look at these things. I had a client who came to the gym all the time, worked out all the time and they had eczema. And eczema is an autoimmune issue. It's your own immune system causing problems with your skin. And, you know, we had this great environment in my facility. It was small where everybody talked to everybody, which was cool. I loved it. Like my clients came in, but other trainers talked to my client, other clients talked to other clients and it was awesome. And we'd have these big discussions. And so I had this discussion with my client about his eczema. And we're going back and forth and we're trying to figure out what's going on. And he's saying, you know, do you think it's food? And at the time I didn't think food caused that. So I know, I said, it's probably your genetics and we're going back and forth. And so this other trainer who was in there and she says, no, it might be something that you're eating. You may have a food intolerance. And I, you know, I tried not to roll my eyes because I wanted to honor everybody. And so we had this big discussion. We're going back and forth. And she said, hey, you should try eliminating dairy gluten and I think something else that might've been nuts or whatever and see if that helps. And so because this particular individual was kind of exhausted all their other resources. And they said, sure, let me try it out. And they eliminated gluten, dairy and legumes. And nothing happened, eggs in my state. So here I am. I'm thinking like, okay, so, you know, I was right. I proved it. It's genetics, it's not food. And we went up about our day. Well, this conversation continued in gym on and off every time this client come in. And so finally my trainer who's the gut health expert convinced this person to do an elimination diet and say, look, it could be anything. And I'm thinking in my head like, of course you're going to say that because you got proven wrong. She said, you can be anything. Eliminate foods, go super basic, and then we'll see what happens. And the cool thing is this particular individual, this client that I was training was, they were like a dream client. Like they would try anything. No, they sound desperate. They've been desperate for results. And they would adhere to it. Like when you do an elimination diet, you got to be super vigilant, which is one of the reasons why most people don't do it. So he did this and he did this elimination diet. And over the course of six months, he identified and he tested this several times. Like he went off, went back on, went off, went back on. And he fucking identified that it was bananas. Bananas gave him eczema and he couldn't eat bananas. He couldn't eat bananas, which blew my mind. And the reason why it was a problem for him was because he ate bananas every day, twice a day. He ate them for like a decade. It was like one of his favorite foods. And so he developed an intolerance to bananas. Eliminated bananas, no more eczema. And that was like my first like peak into what could be potentially happening with these things. And now we know, Rob Wolf talks a little bit about this in his book, Wired to Eat, where they'll do these continual glucose monitors on people and measure their insulin response. And they'll get some fucking weird shit, man, where some dude will eat a cookie and won't get as big of an insulin response as they will when they eat macadamia nuts or something that has no sugar. And it blows everybody's mind. And that's because they probably have an intolerance to those macadamia nuts. So this is an important subject because what you need to understand and the reason why people in fitness and people in nutrition and health sound like they're all over the place, why you hear so many people say, this diet's better, that diet's better, this diet better. And then you have a lot of people say, just listen to your body, everybody's different, which used to piss me off. I'd be like, what do you mean everybody's different? The truth is your immune system, your body is very unique to you, your experiences, your genetics and epigenetics, where you could have an intolerance to anything. Don't rule anything out. So if you're having these weird gut issues, or weird skin issues, or weird issues, and you're looking at your diet and you're saying to yourself, I eat healthy though. Like all I ever eat is really healthy food. It can be anything that's causing these issues, including seasoning. Like this guy's asking this question. People just get angry because it's such a simple concept, but it's not easy to apply. If you're gonna go through something like that, it's a really regimented, focused diet. How bad do you wanna fix it? Protocol, but listen, it's so simple to where it's gonna reveal everything for you. So I highly suggest that. Dude, think about the paradigm shift I had to go through. Here I was, Mr. Fitness Expert, at this point had been in fitness for, I don't know, 14 years or something, top of my game, right? I know more than anybody I talked to, at least I think I do. That's in my mind, right? Like I'm fucking, I know everything, right? And here I am, I'm eating a diet that consisted of chicken breasts, oatmeal, holy products, rice, vegetables and fruits and nuts. And here I am with gut issues and someone's telling me that what I'm eating is fucking with my gut. And I'm like, fuck you, man, I eat super healthy. This is fitness food. Yeah, I'm eating super healthy. You're crazy, you know? Imagine the paradigm shift I had to go through. I had to look at what I ate and I had to realize that these healthy foods could be causing them. You have to get over yourself. Dude, and then of course people identify with their food. I mean, I have, I've had clients who just, they eat the same thing for breakfast and they've eaten the same thing for breakfast for 20 years. It's like I live and die by my oatmeal in the morning. Yeah, and I tell them like, no, you can't, let's eliminate oatmeal. And they look at me like I just told them to cut their arm off or something, you know? I literally had somebody like that. Oh, crazy. Totally. Next up is sincerely jazz. My dad is diabetic and it's a main reason why I started this lifestyle. It kills me to see him feed this disease every day but I almost feel helpless. I feel like it's too late for him to change due to his age, habits, et cetera. What are your opinions? Dude, how do you guys handle that? Cause I know we're all in that same situation. I mean, I think that it's something that we've all been dealing with for a very long time. And here's my thing, man. And I just, it took me a long time to get this way. I'm dealing with this currently right now of my sister. My sister has got... That's right. Yeah, she's got stuff going on with her kidneys right now and she's pregnant and she's not changing her diet at all. She's eating really poorly and you gotta know that's gotta be stressing it even more. And, you know, in the past I would try and force my information on her and try and coerce her to eat better and make healthier choices. But what I've learned is that it doesn't really get anywhere. The most traction I've ever got anytime with any family is representing it within my own life and exemplifying it on another level that they've never seen before. Like I remember when I competed that was really when I kind of won over all of Katrina's family. Cause up to that point we'd already been together for a few years and, you know, everyone just knew Adam's a trainer but nobody asked my opinion on anything. And I don't give it. I'm saying I've been doing this for a long time. I know it doesn't work this way. And so I'd have to wait till someone thinks and then when they saw what I did with my transformation and then taking it to that extreme then now every all of the family, everybody wants to sit down, everybody wants to listen. And some of them, very few of them actually follow through on anything I teach them but some of them have at least taken that effort of trying to apply it and do it. And that's the most headway I've ever had with any family. Otherwise the other way of expressing your concern or how, you know, I'm so sad, whatever angle you're coming at with your dad or family member, unfortunately it doesn't ever work. It doesn't ever work and they don't ever receive it that way. And I think the best way to go about it is to continue to exemplify it within your own life. And if otherwise too, and the attitude you have to have or the attitude that I have with it is that everyone's gonna live their life. And who am I to, cause if he only wants to live to 40 and go out with a bang and eat cheeseburgers every single day from McDonald's, like who am I to say that he can't do that, you know? And most people that are doing these things are aware of it. They're not, especially when you have someone like that who's looking at something like diabetes, you're being told your doctor's telling you what's going on. So, and even though doctors are not the best example, I'm sure they told him to clean his diet up. And if you have some of those answers and you want to provide it from but he's not wanting to seek that knowledge, you're never gonna get anywhere with it. We're constantly bargaining with ourselves. The bargain is my present self with my future self. It is, it's a bargain. So, if I say to myself, I'm going to abstain from this activity that I know I'm gonna enjoy right now in order to save currency for my future self, then I'm gonna make that bargain. So if I say to myself, I wanna eat that cheeseburger, it's gonna feel really good right now. And it's worth the trade to my future self to enjoy this right now, then that's the decision I make. Or I can do the opposite and say, this is not worth taking from my future to feed me now. So I'm gonna abstain today to pay for my future self. So there's that. And one thing that I've learned from that, which has been effective for me is to reframe the conversation because when given the opportunity, most people will choose their present self over their future self. That's just why we're impulsive. It's why we do the shit that we do. Like, that's why we do stupid shit because we'd rather have it now than later. You know, you tell a 20 year old, hey man, if you take care of yourself now, you're gonna live to your 95. Like, you don't give a fuck. They just wanna have fun right now because 95 and 75 are both far away. So they don't really give a shit, right? So I've reframed it and I try to resell the package. And I've talked about this before. I'm gonna give this example again. When I was married, at the time my wife worked for a tech company and I went to her Christmas party. Now at this time I'd always been in fitness and people in fitness are obviously very aware of their health, but I tend to forget that most people are just not aware. It's not a thing that they think about. So I go to this dinner, we're at this dinner, I'm surrounded by all these people who work in tech and they're bringing out the food and they have this, first they have this basket of bread and they're passing the bread around and I pass it and I don't have any. Then there's desserts at the end and I'm not having any. And I sense that people are looking at me because I'm a trainer and I'm sure you guys have experienced this, people wanna look at what you're eating and wanna kind of judge what you're doing because you're a trainer. Maybe they feel like you're, they think that you're holier than now because you're whatever. So I get that feeling, but I'm like, whatever, I'm not gonna have to want any bread, I don't want this and that. And there was this very overweight lady that was sitting across from me, big lady and we were talking the whole time and she was very gregarious and charismatic. But I could tell she was being challenged by some of the decisions I was making with my food when I wasn't having the dessert. And she says, you know, Sal, because by this point now we'd become friends. And she says, you know, Sal, I had a friend that was just like you. And I'm like, oh, really? And she goes, yeah, my friend was into running, she was into working out. Which by the way, this statement coming is a reflection of her insecurities that she's dealing with, what she's gonna say. I don't even know what the rest of the sentence, but you know what it is. So she looks at me and this is in front of the whole table. And she thinks she's making this fucking amazing point. She's like, you know, I had this friend that was just like you. So I'm like, oh, like how? And she goes, oh, she was a fitness fanatic. She exercised all the time. She ran, she lifted weights. She ate right. She looked phenomenal. I mean, she was lean, she was vibrant. And then at 45, she got ovarian cancer and she died. And after that happened, I said to myself, I will always just enjoy my life right now and never worry about anything because you know, who knows what's gonna happen and this and that. And so my response, I looked at her after she said that and I said- I already know what you said. And I said, well, I said, that's terrible. I'm sorry you had to experience that. I said, well, there's a couple of things here. First off, we don't know what would have happened had she eaten terribly and not taken care of herself. Perhaps she would have died earlier or perhaps she wouldn't have lasted along. I said, but we don't know that. The bottom line is we don't know the future. I could literally leave this restaurant, walk outside, get in an accident and die from a car accident. It's all about the quality. And I said, I don't eat healthier and better to live longer and to increase my longevity. I say that sometimes and I think about that cause it sounds great, but the reality is I do it because I live better now. And I said, and the truth of the matter is if you do it right, if you're not obsessed and you go crazy about it, if you do it right and you take care of yourself today, you will enjoy today much more. I said, for example, let me ask you this question. Let's say you were in optimal health and this was when I kind of poked at her a little bit that I wasn't trying to, but I know she felt it. I said, let's say you were in optimal health and you did it in a way that you enjoyed. So you weren't super extreme about it, but you were in optimal health. Now think of all your life experiences, your daily experiences, waking up in the morning, going to work, talking to your friends, watching movies and enjoying stuff. Do you feel like your quality of life would be better or be worse as a result from it? And she was silent and the whole fucking table looked at me and was like, and I got a couple of plazas, which I didn't, I wasn't trying to like clown on this lady, but that's exactly what happened. So what I do now when I talk to people is I try to sell it differently and I tell them, look, I don't fucking know how long you're gonna live and I'm not talking about, you know, but right now, if you're fit and healthy, I promise you'll experience sex will be better, outside will be better. I'm gonna go deeper than that on this because this is, let's be real, dude, the number one abuse substance in the world is food. So it's like a drug for many, many people and somebody who is getting that's diabetic from this, right? If you weren't born with it. So if you get diabetes later on in your life from food consumption, that is a result of this addiction to food that you have and not fixing that is still continuing to feed that addiction. And so the main numb and unaware. So the problem is not with the food. The problem is not with his choices. It's why is he making those choices? Totally. Why do you want to be disconnected or non-present to the point or to ignore what you're saying, Justin? Why is that? And that is where if you're gonna fix somebody like your dad or I'm gonna fix somebody like my sister and I know that. I know that my sister is battling other things right now and the way she's taking care of her health is just an expression of that. Sure, it's resulted from the bad choices of food but it's not the food's fault. It's what she's covering up with that. And that's with almost everybody with these situations. It's anything, any drug or whatever it is. And I can't provide that. I can't give that to this person. Now as a family member, you can love them. You can try and be there for that. And like I said, the best way that I have gotten through to these type of people is to exemplify it in my life. So they want that because they see. Yeah, the old expression, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. Like I've been literally dealing with this with my dad for a long time and just recently had a breakthrough. So it's- Really, what happened? It's not impossible. You know, people can change their mentality and their mindset towards it. I think the only problem is when it gets to a point where like something health-wise becomes like a real problem. You know, and they have a scare. And this is somewhat of why, you know, the shift in the change of mentality. Like I knew there's an opportunity there for me to kind of come in and help educate and kind of steer a little bit more. But yeah, I mean, he was like getting up and down from his chair and getting really lightheaded and like having heart problems and all these types of things. And it's just, there's just so many different things. Like he's a bigger guy, six, seven. You know, he's like carrying all this excess weight. Think about what got to him though. Was it you or was it because he had a scare and that woke him up just like you hear all the time with people with drinking and driving who all of a sudden have this crazy accent they live and all of a sudden they don't drink anymore afterwards. Again, it's the addiction to the food and some people, and some people don't wake up from that. Some people go through what he goes through and then totally and still stay. They don't respond at all. Well, and I think too, like if you're like really concerned you just kind of look for those escalating kind of like issues and you try to just kind of be there. And I was always there kind of like giving little seeds here and there and just like not, I wasn't trying to like, you know I knew he was stubborn. I know he's stubborn. I'm not trying to like educate him, you know, I'm a son but at the same time like he, I could tell he was becoming more receptive. And so what I, I was just starting like, hey, check out this documentary. You know, like somebody else is saying it on here that's really like easily digestible. I know it's like within something you would do you could watch it. And after you watch it like it was the science of fasting and you watch that you just, you got like super inspired by it. And I didn't see that coming at all. Dude, it's a good point cause you chose a really good moment to do that. Like, you know, he's already being motivated because of the scare and then to help, to provide some information or knowledge to him in that arena I think is a smart strategy. I mean, we're all experienced this right now cause we're all in our, you know, mid to late 30s. So I'm being personally now faced with my parent the real, the reality of the mortality of two of the most important people in my life which are my parents. Now they're not super old, but my dad just turned 60. And this is when you look at health problems right around the age of 60s, when you start to see them start to creep up pretty quickly. And as every age it goes up faster and faster. And so it's just something that I have to, it's something I have to deal with and grapple with. And I think what you're saying Adam is absolutely correct. Like first you have to accept it, like accept that they make their own decisions because what'll end up happening is if you refuse to accept it, if you refuse to accept it, you will ruin the relationship you have with that individual or you're fucking torment yourself. And let's be honest, if you don't take care of your health, which includes your mental and emotional health, then you're not gonna be there for them if they need it and you're gonna end up hurting yourself. So that's number one. So you can't force people to do anything. All you can do is be a good example and be there if they ask questions. But there is, there are a couple strategies that I've identified that tend to be more successful. One of them is the one that I mentioned where you reframe it instead of living longer or whatever. It's, hey man, it's a lot better right now. That's one of them. And the other thing is anytime you're trying to change, and I learned this by the way, managing salespeople. Okay, trust me, this is all connected. If you're trying to change a behavior that's, that is, you know, that has become kind of hardwired or it's become a part of someone's behavior. One of the best things you could do is change the environment. So let me give you an example of what I mean. When I had salespeople, I would notice after a particular period of time of managing them and we would get rolling and people would get cocky, people would start to get lazy. All of a sudden this guy's not making as much phone calls, this guy's not hustling as much, this guy's not, you know, this girl over here is not doing what she's supposed to like she was three months ago when we were pushing and motivated and grinding. So what I would do is I'd come in in the morning real early and I'd switch everybody's desk around or I'd take their chairs away. Or I'd do something stupid where all of a sudden their environment is just a little bit different. Now they're standing or now they're sitting somewhere different or now I have them, sometimes I'd take their desk and put them outside. Now we're gonna sit outside and you know, we're gonna talk to people or whatever. Just changing the environment sometimes it's almost like it gives you this fresh like, okay, I'm in a new spot. I feel like anything's possible. I feel like we can start to change things. So an example of that would be, you know, if I took a family member or if I go on a vacation with a family member like, oh, we're all gonna go to Hawaii. And when we're there, I can talk to them and be like, hey, listen, while we're there, would you mind if I, you know, took, took, took charge of all the food? Would you mind if I kind of manage that and control that? And I'll make sure it's tasty but I'm also gonna make sure it's healthy. And every once in a while they'll be like, yeah, I'll agree to that. But because they're in Hawaii, it's a different or whatever, it's a different environment. Everything seems possible. So now I kind of convinced them to follow this thing. And now I've had five or seven days. And now I start to ask questions like, how did you sleep last night? Oh man, I'm sleeping really good. How's your digestion? Oh, I can't believe it. And I've done this with my dad before or I'll change the environment a little bit. And all of a sudden my dad's like, you know, my back's not hurting me anymore. Man, I'm starting to feel energetic. And I'll point out like, it's because of the food, it's because of this. And because I give them the experience of what it feels like, the odds become stronger. But by no means is guaranteed. Because you are dealing with some hard shit to change. Absolutely hard shit to change. They have to, eventually they are gonna have to, just like somebody who's addicted to drugs, eventually you will have to address, because what normally happens with addicts is they trade one addiction for the next. And they never really solved the problem. I've seen this countless times with even close friends of mine who, you know, battle with some sort of addiction and they've been clean and sober for 10 years. But then when you evaluate their life, they've just picked other habits up that they're extremely addicted to, because what's happening is those people aren't really addressing the root cause. So eventually they will have to face that. And I think that those are great tips for somebody who's a family member, but don't let this keep you up at night, because it will, it'll just put stress on your relationship. Just accept it, accept reality. Right, it'll just, you know, maybe they do wanna live that way. And that's where I've just, because I got people that are family and close to me that say that Adam, listen, I don't plan to live more than another 10, 15 years. And- It's so hard to swallow, right? Yeah, it is. And for me, that's like, oh my God, like, but who am I? And someone who's saying this to me has lived a very full life. And I think as I'm getting older, I'm starting to understand that a little bit better because, you know, when I think about that, like what are some things that I really wanna do or wanna accomplish, you know, I've checked off a lot of those things, man. I'm a pretty happy person overall. And some people may feel like they've already- And dude, let's be honest, the reality is the more you force people, the more they tend to dig their heels in and not wanna fucking do something. And sometimes when you step off of it- You can't force it. You know how many times I've like backed off and then, you know, a few months later, all of a sudden they're like, hey, Sal, would you mind- You just remain available and, you know, understanding, but yeah, you let them come to their own conclusions. Excellent. Hey, check it out. If you're listening to this on anything other than the Mind Pump app, you're missing out. We actually have an app now and it's free. 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