 Great. Welcome, everyone. It's nice to see you all again in 2022 off to a crazy start as is the norm these days, but it's great to have this group back together. And I'd like to start by calling to order the January 10 2022 parks and recreation board meeting. Could we please call the roll. So we have Aaron ankle. It's Aaron angel and I'm here. Sorry, Aaron angel. Scott Conlon. Right here. I believe Jeff Ellen Bogan gave his apologies for tonight's meeting. Manojgan while we're waiting on page Lewis. Here. Nicholas novello. Here. Dan Olson. Here. And Tim waters. I'm here. You. Great. Thanks, Nikki. And welcome to Aaron, our new board member and to come from in waters are new ways on great to have you both with us. So the first item of business tonight is board reorganization and election of officers. I would be open to continuing and would enjoy that opportunity, but and also would like to open nominations if there are others that would like to put nominations forward. And I nominate page Lewis to be the next board chairman. Person. Thank you. Is there a second. I will second that. No, actually, I think we have to do nominations first. Are there any other nominations? Sorry, I'm a little rusty on my order of things. Okay. If there's no other nominations. All those in favor. I guess I can vote. I find this part very awkward. Any post. All right. Thank you. I appreciate the opportunity to continue to serve for you. We do need to also elect a vice chair. Dan is our current vice chair. I don't know Dan, if you want to say anything about whether you are interested in continuing to serve or not. I will, but I recall a year ago Scott was interested. So if there's somebody else who would like to be I'm fine with that either way. Then sure I would or maybe I'm misremembering was there someone else who wanted to be vice I'm happy to do it. It was me, but I think. I'm sorry. My mistake. Sorry. All good. Go for it. I will nominate you. I will nominate you Dan for as I start this right. How about that? Okay, whatever it takes. I'll nominate Nicholas. How's that? All right. Then we have to vote. Are you both interested in being considered? No, I want Nicholas to do it because he was so nice last year. All those in favor of Nicholas serving as our vice chair. Anyone opposed. Great. Thanks, Nicholas. You are a new vice chair. And thank you Dan for your service last year. Okay, let's move on to approval of the agenda. Hopefully you all got to. Oh, yeah. I think it'd be a good idea for Aaron to introduce herself and tell us just a little bit about her. If you don't mind. Great. Darn. I was hoping not to talk too much this meeting. My name is Aaron Angel. And I've lived in Longmont for almost 20 years now. And I know I look so young, right? Like only just 20 years old. I was born here. No, I wasn't. I was born in the Midwest. I've lived all around the United States and some other parts of the world as a park and parks and recreation. Administration. That's my master's degree at Chico State in California. And I work at Centaurus High School and Angevine Middle School. I work for Cottonwood Institute teaching. Guiding trips and connecting young people to the outdoors and teaching them environmental advocacy skills. I abloh un poquito. Well, I abloh a lot of Espanol, but not perfect. Great. It's so great to have you. Sounds like you have a really well suited background and interest. It would be fun to have you as part of our conversation. Thank you so much. Thank you guys. Excited. Dammit. I'm not on mute. I'm looking for my chat button. Okay. I'm good. Thank you. Well, I'm. I'm hopeful that we all will be able to meet in person again at some point this year. We did get to see each other once during a field trip, which was very nice and hopefully we'll be able to go back to meeting in person at some point. We'll be back during this year, but for now, here we are. So we'll move on to approval of the agenda. Hopefully everyone could look at the agenda in the packet. Does anyone have any questions? Or any proposed changes? If not, can I get a motion to approve the agenda? I move we approve the agenda as it stands. Okay. Thank you. All those in favor? Hi. Any post? Great. The agenda is approved. And then we'll move on to approval of the previous month's minutes. We haven't met since November. So the previous month's minutes are from our November 8th meeting. Did anyone have any questions or changes from those minutes? Yeah. Page I did have one that we could just correct to be great. Okay. Under the union reservoir. Access management. I think it says that the primary reason for closeness was. Potential for aquatic moss species to come into the boats and being unchecked. And that's in A20 or A with the union reservoir and it's down towards the bottom. But if we just really put in their invasive nuisance species is the primary reason. Okay. Any other questions or changes? Okay. So I need a motion to approve the minutes as amended. I move that we approve the second. Also second. All those in favor? Hi. And you pose. The minutes are approved as amended. Okay. Now we'll move to our public invited to be heard and I understand that we do have. One member of the public who has asked. To speak tonight. Yes, we do chair. Member of the public. You have three minutes to address the board. And also please remember to state your name and address for the record. Hi, and I'm supposed to leave my camera off. Is that correct? Yes, please. No problem. Okay, great. My name is Adrian Chinalt. I live at 310 Pratt street. And I am here to request that the recreation department open up additional hours and or courts for indoor pickleball during the winter season. In particular, I would really like to see some pickleball availability on the weekend, whether that be at the recreation center or at the memorial building. And I would also like to say that this last weekend, I made a trip up to love land who has open play on the weekends, just to see what that was like. And they have three courts that they make available for open play. For about a three hour block on Sundays, I believe maybe also on Saturdays. And so that would allow for 12 people to play simultaneously. And they had around 30 people there to play throughout that entire block and actually several people from Longmont who had also made a trip up there because they were hoping to be able to play on the weekend. So pickleball is the fastest growing sport in the United States. And just anecdotally from a few times over at the rec center on the weekends for kids basketball games, we have young kids here. You know, the court that's taken up by a volleyball and that seems to be almost completely unused, but we see that there's a lot of potential match play is happening. And so that could be a great candidate to free that up and to use that for a couple of pickleball stripes instead. So that's, that's my request. And thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to come and share. Great. Thanks so much for taking time. We really appreciate it. Jeff, I don't know if you wanted to add anything before we close out. No, we'll, we'll certainly look at that. Saturdays are going to be tough this time of year with basketball starts this weekend. The Memorial building historically hasn't been very suitable for pickleball because we have sport court there, and the ball doesn't bounce true so people really struggle with that. But certainly we can look at some time on Sundays. I will have one of the staff at the rec center reach out to Adrian and see what we can come up with. Awesome. Thank you so much. Okay. Are there any other members of the public. To be heard. Not at this time, chair. And we'll go ahead and close the public invited to be heard section. And move on to old business. We have no old business. So let's move on to new business, which will involve. Designating our meeting day and time meeting location. We're going to be looking at private agenda than the private agenda calendar. So, Jeff, should I turn it over to you? Do you want to leave this? Sure, I can do that. Each year. The clerk requires that we take care of some business on to make it official on when we're going to meet what, what day of the month and at what time. We've met the second Monday of every month at 630. We can keep that or if someone has other suggestions, we can certainly talk about that. I'd like to deal with each one separately so we can have a motion on each one. Great. Does anyone have any proposed change to the meeting day and time. Great. Okay. So we have a motion to accept the second Monday at 6. This is, this is Steve. Sorry. I've missed the national championship game for eight years running now because it's always the second Monday in January. Can we make January 2023 meeting on the third Monday? No. No. Thank you, Jeff. Next, it'll be tennis matches. I get it. You want to do a vote, Jeff, on each individual piece. Yes, if we could please. I thought you would want to do them all at once. Okay. Okay. All those in favor of continuing to meet on the second Monday at 630 p.m. All those in favor. Any opposed. I think we're good on that one. Okay. So the next one is meeting location and with. Meeting virtual. This is kind of an odd one to talk about. But historically we've met down at the park shop. And would need a motion that when we go back to meeting in person, that that would be our meeting location. Does anyone have any. Okay. Erin, do you know where that we're talking about sunset and the railroad tracks. Across the street from. I can't do it. Isaac Walton. Okay. Yeah. Okay. We're talking about. Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate that you wanted. Me to know where it was. So I didn't wander around aimlessly. I don't think we've ever been there either. Right. Weird year we've been having. Okay. Sorry. Page. Okay. Do we have a motion to continue. Having the parks. Building be our in person meeting location when we're able to return. Can I offer like, why, why would we meet inside at a shop when we could meet across the street at one of the parks that we serve? Just question mark. Well, part of it is we need access to internet and that sort of thing. It really isn't the shop. It's the parks office building. And, you know, very well suited for that. We have a TV so that we can do presentations that there doesn't, there's nothing that says. We can't meet in a park or at a different location. This is just to these items really educate the public that when we are back in, in that location that they know when, where and what time we meet every month. That's, that's the reason we're doing this. Okay. Would anyone like to make a motion about the meeting location? I move that the parks and rec advisory board. Continues to meet when we meet in person. It was at seven south sunset. In the meeting room in the front there. I have a second. Thanks. All those in favor. I need pose. Great. And then the final thing for. Notification to the public each year is where we're going to post. Our agendas and that is on the city website. We've need a motion to approve that. We'll also let everybody know that we. Try to put paper notices at the civic center. At the three recreation facilities and at the senior center as well. But we had only the official site is the city website. Nicholas. I will motion to continue. Posting the agendas on the city website. Thank you. And seconded almost in favor. I. Thank you. Okay. I think we're good with all the. Standard. As a recommendation. Would you like to move on to the prep calendar discussion? Yes. So all of the staff is prepared to. Provide information. As the board has questions this evening. Each year in January, we try to identify the. Items that. You all would like to talk about during the year. That we add to the calendar. But would like to hear your feedback on what you would like to see us. Discuss. This year. We did include in the packet a list of. Potential agenda items. And you want me to go through those or how, how would you like me to handle that? Yeah. Why don't we run through it. Yeah. And then we could have just kind of an open round Robin. People can suggest if there's other. Topics that we should be considering. Sure. Yeah. Last week, the staff met and. Tried to come up with. Potential items that we thought you might be interested in. Again, we can add or take away. However, you want to do that. Yeah. So this was an update of master plans for park rec and trails. Open space. Recreation. As well as envision Longmont. And that process will kick off some time this year. We are working very close with planning. To take their lead in the update of the. In an effort to try to reduce the number of meetings that the public may have to. Or may want to attend that we could consolidate those and do. Some of our work at those same meetings. Don't have a lot of detail on that. They, the planning staff will be going to council and. Sometime, I believe this month to present that option to city council. And to get their feedback on whether they. Would be interested in us doing that or not. Dan and Danielle would like to come in February to talk about. The button rock preservation or excuse me reserve. And talk about the work that they've been doing. Up there. Steam discussion, which is. Some of the business development. Along the river and in conjunction with the. Flower mill that is a topic that. Council is doing a lot of work on this year. And you will hear that probably multiple times throughout the year. Continuing on what we had. Talked about last year of working towards another recreation facility. And discussing missing sidewalks and trails. Every several years Steve does that presentation and it's a. A really good presentation to kind of see where the gaps are in, in the trail system. The capital improvement projects. What we would like to do is, is possibly in February. Come and review. The CIP projects capital improvement projects that we are working on for. 2022. And then come back to the following month and really talk about what, what your thoughts are for the 2023. CIP process. We talked about joint, joint meeting with sustainability and water, the water board. Those are two separate boards. And that could possibly tie into the potential drop restrictions that could be coming this, this year. We thought it would also be good for you all to be able to interact with the other boards. And there are a lot of things that. That those two boards do that to interact with the things that the parking wreck board does. So we'll talk about the potential of a new outdoor pool. In the CIP and. Or excuse me in the master plan. Currently it talks about a second sunset type pool out at the dry park dry creek park. Potential of. Renovating sunset pool and at some point time. Discuss the ranger program. And I think that David and his staff has done a lot of thing, great things to improve the ranger program. And they like to share that with you. A lot of times you don't really hear a lot about the parks operation plan. And how timber helps to maintain all the parks. We thought that might be a good presentation. Discussion about art in public places. There are projects that are funded by one percent of the capital projects that are done by the city. Some of the work that they do go into the. To the parks. And I believe Steve. Said that they're working on. Some, some art project right now he might be able to respond. More about that. And then also. Discussion about recreation program. We have the area supervisors come and talk about the. Various operations that we have in recreation. Talk about. The festivals and special events that we do. And possibly talk about our cost recovery program. That is one of the financial programs. That we have in the budget. So those are kind of our. Let me add one other thing that's not on your list, but I heard from. Other staff in March. There are staff in sustainability that are working on. A zero waste resolution. They'd like to come in March and present their thoughts to the board. And then come back in May. And present their findings of their discussions that they've had. With other members and other boards in the community. So that, that's the list that we have. Any questions on those things? Yeah, I'd love to hear from board members. If there are any of days that you want to prioritize, if you have questions, if you have other topics. You'd like to consider. Nicholas. Thanks, Paige. So I definitely want to get into specifics here, but I'm just thinking realistically, how many of these could be reasonably take on. In the agenda for 2022, right? Is it like roughly half? Is that a fair estimate? It's really a question for everyone here. How we want to think about doing this. So I think that will help us make a decision on which ones we want to prioritize because we know, like, how many of you can reasonably pick out a list. I would guess that we could take on half or three quarters of them. One of the things that David and Paige and I have talked about. Is trying to keep the meetings to two, two and a half hours at the most. In years past, we've had meetings that went on three or four hours. And are pretty wearing after that two, two and a half hour mark. But we certainly can. Plug them into the count calendar based on your priorities. And we can backfill if we can't put them all on or we can carry those. Into. 2023 also. My thought was. Sorry, David. I'll just make a quick comment. I mean, my thought was also just based on past experience. Some of these might be. Like a main topic at one meeting, but then sort of a follow on it future meetings. So I think about the. Talking about the master planning or even a new recreation facility, you know, we might dedicate a lot of discussion to a new recreation facility at some meetings, but then just touch on it for updates at other meetings. So. I think it depends on how much time we wanted to spend on any of the. Topics. David. That's what I was going to say, Paige. I think it really depends. I think staff, as Jeff said, we're trying to get. So we can be a little more on. Respect. I was timing these meetings and staff can probably do a tighter job of getting these presentations. Down to pretty tight presentation, but it depends on how much time. The board like to discuss them. So it makes it, that makes it a little challenging, but we could probably put a couple of these. If we look at here's a heavy topic and here's just information piece. We could probably do a little bit of that as well. I would agree with Jeff. I think three quarters of those we could use. We could try to get those on there. And, and I think maybe what, what we could do tonight is. If you could identify your priorities. And then David and I can take that list and, and work with Paige and get them into a calendar. That we can present to you at the February meeting. So Nicholas, did you have specific topics? Or do you want to, if we were in real life, I'd give you all like little, you know, Docs and you could vote, but I don't know how to do that. That's not going on. We'll work with what we have. Yeah. Yeah. So given that we want at least three quarters of that, maybe it's more of an exercise of pulling out what we know. Shouldn't make the list is maybe another way to approach, approach this. So for example, the art in public places, isn't there a separate board that discusses that I didn't quite understand. What the relevance to. Crab is for that one. I think. Sorry. Steve, could you respond to that? Sure. Yeah. Sorry. Steve Ranzweil senior project manager. We try to work with a IPP as much as we possibly can to integrate art into our new parts. We're possible. And we're also tasked with working with the. AIP coordinator and the artist to integrate. Art into our existing parts. So you have to think about things as far as. Safety. Vandalism, that sort of stuff. So we are actively involved with the IPP program. Because a lot of the art pieces that are placed are within our public properties, which. Are obviously a lot of our parks. Need more than that, Nicholas. Steve, I'm going to ask on there. I'm guessing that this wouldn't be, that wouldn't take up a whole meeting. I would imagine. That that would be just, you know, AIP P would let us know what, what they. Envision going and we'd say, Hey, that looks cool. Or that doesn't look so cool. Yeah. And. 15 minutes done. Somewhat correct. Yes. I think it could be handled with an update. If we're working with the IPP on an art piece. The parks board does not get any sort of vote as far as what the art piece is going to be. That's the IPP board. That gets to vote on that. So. Yes. You're right. No, Steve. Okay. I'm in. Welcome. I'd love to at least hear from everyone sort of what you think is most important. I want to make sure that we get what you think is most important on to the agendas. And then I think we can fill in other things. We're able. The question for me. No, we're sorry. We're in the process of talking about potential. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. My board meeting topic. Sorry. Yeah. Nicholas. Go ahead. Okay. So now I'll just focus on what priority was. So it's probably to me a seven and eight or the combo. Right. Discussions with the sustainability water boards. As well as the potential. Got restrictions and something that I think would be. Pretty pertinent. And something that we want to focus on. Thank you. Other board members. My two most important would be number four, the new rec facility. And some combination of nine and 10, a new outdoor pool or renovation of the sunset pool. I guess as another one, I would also be interested in the. Missing sidewalks trails. I know we've seen that maybe it wasn't last year, the year before. We've seen that. We've seen that. We've seen that. We've seen that sometime you did this before Steve, but it's always a reminder of what things were supposed to be day dreaming about and getting out and visiting and stuff. Great. Thanks. So I think from the several discussions we had. Last year about the rec center and then the work that. That I guess. I think we're going to hear the follow up about the rec center. And what. The public thinks about the rec center. Based on what the plan was there. And then. And if the new council is interested in bringing that forward. And that sort of thing. So I think that's one of my top ones. Missing sidewalks and trails. Always. Top priority for me. I think the CIP is always a good one to go through. And it's always a good one to go through. And it's always a good one to go through. And it's always a good one to evaluate. And to kind of weigh in on. And there's a fourth one. One that sort of comes up over and over again. And then we don't really discuss about it. It's on that maintenance side, especially when we kind of pair it with CIP. There's always talk about. With the CIP. Here comes. New maintenance for new projects. But we don't really have a sustainable plan of how do we implement all the things that we currently own. And so I don't know if that was what. I was sort of intended as, as part of. Timbers presentation. Or it was. More very specific of what he does during the summer or something. But I think that's right. That's what we're hoping to present. Okay. That'd be great. And. I have another thought, which is this since we have councilman Watters on the call hate to put you on the spot, but. Just to stay ahead of the curve. Councilman waters. Do you see. City council things on this list that we should be prepared for or hit the ground. You know, already that we know about or have thought about. You, you expect that they're going to ask us about. Thanks for the question, Dan. I would have commented. Under board comments. Or raise the question, what is it that I can, that I'll, that you would, that I could bring to this group as a liaison that would be of greatest value to your work. And obviously that would be one of them, you know, what's kind of in the, in the queue or in the conversation with council. There are always. A park recreation and open space issues. That the council is paying attention to what I will do. What I'll bring to these meetings are what's in a queue. The next month or six weeks out. So I'll, I'll give you a heads up of what's coming right now. I would not say that we've had an active conversation about. About a new rec center. I've had that conversation with individually with folks. I do think we are about to receive. The results of the library feasibility study. And I think when we get that, I think it's, I think that it would be a real important conversation. I think that would be a missed opportunity. I think that would be a missed opportunity. For you to talk about what your aspirations are in relationship to a couple of other big. Potential proposals that are going to be presented to the council and to the community potentially. And I think that would be, I think the timing would be a missed opportunity if. If you weren't ready to. To be in that conversation with and what else. In addition to library issues and performing arts and arts. Issues or considerations. Do you have a specific suggestion on time frame. For that counseling. I wish I did. I, the. I was in a meeting earlier. Or a late last week. Wondering where is that library feasibility study we were supposed to have a couple of months ago. I. Paige, I think that's, I think that I think it's soon. I think in the first quarter of 2022. I think that would be the results of the library study. I think. I'm hoping that the council receive. A presentation and some, maybe some recommendations from the library advisory board. But there's a trifecta. I've had some of this conversation with David and Jeff. We've got there some big. Big potential proposals. That are going to come out of the library feasibility study, the performing arts. And, and I know that there's energy in this discussion about. Where to go with recreation centers. And I think the time is, is coming this year. And I think. You need to join that conversation in the first quarter of 2022. I'm guessing. I'm happy to. The time comes to go into as much of that detail and. Strategy and what people are thinking and, you know, what. You know, where you might want to go and not want to go with just conceptual ideas or whatever, whatever value I can add to your discussions. I'll do my best. Yes, all of that. Would be great. The nose or Aaron. Do you want to add. What your priorities would be for board agenda. I'll go ahead and go. I think cost recovery is important. I'd like to see what's going on with cost recovery and what we're thinking about that. I think recreation and special events kind of. Figuring out what we're reprioritizing because. Everything was canceled. And we have a really great opportunity to. Get rid of some things and bring some new things on. I think that would be really interesting. I think my top priority is always sustainability. I think that would be really important. I think that would be really important. I think that would be really important. I would say sustainability and water board. But I think that also goes with button rock preserve. And then. If I got to vote for five, not four. Zero waste. Great. Thank you. And I'm excited about. Traveling on all those missing sidewalks and trails. I think that's a field trip. That'll be fun. That's six. Yeah. Yeah. So being living in southwest long one, I would definitely be interested in new rec center, which was proposed. And the upgrades at the tri creek park. Those are the top priorities for myself. That is in my mind. And then the next one I'm more interested in. Upgradation of the garden acre spark where the cooker pitches, it has been a lot of issues with the water clogging in, into that area. And the, that's specific sports is being helped or moved. Time to time from there. So. Look, look for the oppression of garden acre. Great. Thank you. I'm just trying to make a list over here too. So we can. I'm just trying to make a list over here, too, so we can follow up. I'll just add that I'm really interested in hearing about the master planning and, you know, updates, both as comprehensive review of the Envision, Longmont, and the specific department master plan. So definitely want us to be involved in those conversations. Continuing the new recreation center facility is that conversation is really important, too. I think, and I actually see that as kind of connected with the other conversations about pools and such. I also am really interested in the kind of long term maintenance of our parks and open space and also how we as a city are thinking about making sure that we continue to prioritize both our existing and our new parks and open spaces as we continue to grow and develop so we don't lose those opportunities. And I also this is more just an information topic, but I'd love to hear what the city is thinking about anything related to funding from the infrastructure. I understand a lot of that funding is expected to come through local government. So, at some point, once I don't know what the city is thinking about that or if you have a plan for taking advantage of potential infrastructure funding, I think it'd be really interesting to hear about that as it relates to our subject area. Anything else, Jeff or David, that you would like to add on there. I'm not supposed to add, but I think that this conversation definitely help because I think look at those priorities we can look at some of those other ones that either if we have to remove some, it'd be easy to remove those but other ones I think we could really, we could make a 10 minute presentation just so that the board gets an idea of what we're talking about. I think two pages of ones I really just want to make sure that again we can try to tighten those presentations up on button rock and the master plans because those will be items that we'll be asking the board to to respond to and vote on so definitely need to make sure those are on there but if you guys have other priorities will try to keep those as tight as possible. So we hit those other items but definitely make sure you're informed enough that you can make good decisions as you're helping us move that forward. Great. Thanks, David. David, can we get extra credit reading on rock. Thanks. I would get all those links and stuff as we get more information on the master plans will keep you engaged because it'll be, there will be public outreach meetings you guys are welcome to go to those as well as his residents. But again as you go to those sometimes it's nice to have a little background of what we're trying to accomplish so our goal like Jeff said with trying to do and kind of umbrella sort of guiding process with the vision longmont and these other updates within that that gives us all moving in the same direction and tries to keep us from having so many meetings for the public that they don't have to go to a wreck one and then a vision one and then a parts natural resources so just trying to help facilitate that conversation so yes. Lots of reading. And so second Councilman is there anything else you wanted to add in terms of topics we should consider. No, it's a good list. A big potential initiatives. So, yeah, I think as much of that ground as you can cover you'll have a rich productive year. Go ahead. I have a question again about number one and you sent, I guess, the all those links were sent out. Are all of these things the PRT OS rec and vision, are they all getting updated this year that I understand that correctly. Yes, David or, or. Yeah, that's. And that was one thing again that's the reason is we all started looking at how many updates we're going to be there if you can imagine each one of those having his own public meeting, and then having staff members that are going to be subject matter experts on each and every one of those. It'd be a lot of ask from staff and also the public so we really are trying to figure out how we work with with planning to say can we do sort of a guiding overarching plan that brings these other pieces into and try to maximize people's involvement. We looked at some other agencies like Denver that have done similar projects so it's not, you know, totally making something up, and Aaron five stick with planning as the one that's going to be trying to help us take this forward. And Jeff mentioned we'll probably be taking this to Council I think all these documents were approved to see if you process. I'm not sure Council even recognizes how many were out there, and kind of how that might look at whether they have an idea what we're thinking of doing a staff. It might look a little bit different they've seen in the past, and it might be a way to use some synergies and funds as well to get stuff done. Thanks. Okay, unless there are any other additions. We'll plan to work with Jeff and David and they will work with staff and we'll try to get this out over the year and see how much we can sit in making sure that we give emphasis to the topics that were prioritized. We'll also hopefully try to do one or maybe even to field trips or field meetings this year was really great to get out when we did that last year. If we continue to have this warm winter weather we could maybe even do an earlier season field trip that will say, I haven't run that by anyone to see what kind of response I get. So then we'll come back to that sound okay Jeff and David, if we work together to kind of sketch this out for the year. Of course, yeah. Great. Exciting. Lots of great topics. Okay. So next move to discussing items from the packet updates. And so, as a reminder, this is generally where we as the board are able to ask questions specifically about things that were included in the board packet. So I'm going to start with those from David about parks and natural resources and I'm from Jeff and staff about all the recreation programs. Does anyone have any questions that they would like to ask for clarification or more information on those updates. Yes, so for Steve. In the packet. The resilience same frame design slated to start in 2021 for one of the sections and I don't know if that was old information or there's an update to it. So defining for you. Scott yeah it's it's it's have to do with the Army Corps of Engineers. They were supposed to give us a 60% plan sets in December. It's January. They want to go out to bid by May, but we haven't seen any plans so I think that may date will probably push. Anything from the feds yet on that, but we are still waiting for the plans between Boston Avenue and Sunset Street. That's where they're going to build the levy between the Isaac Walton pond and the creek. The Boston Avenue bridge project, hopefully will be out to bid here in the next four or five weeks. And that'll be probably a 15 month project. The Army Corps project will be at least 12 months so that's why we're saying that the the Greenway trail will be closed between Price Road and Sunset Street for the next 18 to 24 months. Thank you. Any other questions from the packet update. My one question tonight, not only one question tonight is to Dan Wilford you, there was a few things about land acquisition but the last sentence is we would like crab to consider an open space sales tax extension and or increase November 2022. Surely you're going to give us more information than that. I thought last November we discussed, oh that's that the thing doesn't run out until 2030 or something so is this serious we're going to do this vote in November. Again, from our perspective we shared that with Jeff and it didn't rise to the top for this list, but certainly from that perspective cash flow and dollars available for land acquisitions and is certainly few and far between at this point in time. As you saw in my update we just spent $5.5 million for 130,000 acres, just to the west of St. Frank State Park. As I said, money is very tight and we need to be extremely selective looking at consideration for an open space sales tax hopefully looking at it maybe in perpetuity. Similar to the transportation tax would be of an advantage to our open space and natural areas programs. So I think, Dan Olson I think you know just again get that out there for this group to talk about I think we need to keep in perspective of you know rec centers and other things that Harold and city managers and councils have other as items they need to put in front of the public but I think we really do want to start talking about that as Dan said we doesn't run out for a while, but funds are tight, and we can then rebond if we have additional capacity in that too so it does help us. But it's the thing that I think this group is the right group to have that conversation then we can continue that conversation internally with council members and with all the other items that city has to kind of put out there in front of the public but definitely a good place to start the conversation at least. Clearly a decision of priorities. Okay, it's just sooner than I. I got the impression of our last meeting and so I wanted to make sure I didn't misunderstand. Got it. All those in favor of. I tried David. Thank you Jeff. Okay, any other questions from the packet updates. So nine's a mistake that should not be on the agenda. Wait, what's going on items I thought we changed that. Okay. So we will move next to items from staff. Do any staff have items they'd like to discuss with the board. I want to respond to Scott's question earlier. So we haven't done anything with the rec center based on what Tim was saying tonight will start meeting with the administration and kind of get some parameters and some guidance of how they want us to move forward with that and we'll get working on the survey that we had talked about. I think it was in September or October. That that's all I had. Oh, one other thing. Just one quick. Just, just everybody prize aware of this but the number of staff that we are able to hire right now is very difficult that there are, there are times where if our staff gets sick or cove it or have a. They want to go on vacation we are struggling to keep facilities open. We're having, I would guess at least three staff a day come down with the virus and prior within the next two weeks can have to look at closing one or two facilities to be able to keep the third one open. So it is difficult times right now we continue to meet with the staff from human human resources on other ways that we can try to advertise to get staff. We've done two job fairs on the third and then yesterday at the rec center. The first one we had about 20 people show up. And yesterday we had, it was around 16, but the folks that are there are you know we interviewed them right away. And those that are qualified were trying to work to get them hired as soon as possible. So, it is a challenging time right now. Paige I just wanted to add from staff things. It's been a little bit of a long time but the naming for workman neighborhood park as far as you know Gallo Park is currently planned to go to city council on the 25th of January. So, there's been a lot of people who are interested in that happening so that should be a good meeting. And then I think February 22 is when we're looking to name south over basin park clever meadows park. That's the current plan in the council agenda so just want to make the board aware of that. Great. Thanks to any other items from staff. And unless there's other questions about our update, the only update that I have is really for Steve and that it's a six to three score with Alabama leading in the second quarter. Yeah, I've been tracking on my phone to thank you. Bill goals I cannot believe this so I want to go home and watch the defensive battle. Okay, anything else relevant to the board from the staff. Okay, I am from the board. So do board members have anything that they would like to bring up doesn't have to be related to what was in the packet. I just had a follow up on wanted to see how it was going with the vaccination only Memorial gym. No, I'm a well Jim I think went vaccinated people only December 16 or something like that just wanted to see what the public's response has been and you know if it's been well received and it's gone swimmingly or you had the typical folks screaming and yelling who don't actually ever go there. Well, there were a few of those and you know there was there was something on Facebook and we were told there were like 90 comments and of those 90 comments, 80 of them didn't even live in the state of Colorado, which is just bizarre. So we, I would say we had two real legitimate comments after we went to the vaccinated facility. Work with with those two folks I think one of them chose to try the rec center and the other one was waiting for us to stop doing the vaccinated facility. Today we were getting 38 more people a week so it did make a difference. As of today we're no longer doing that based on the new recommendation from Boulder County Public Health that everybody needs to wear a mask they really recommended that that no longer be offered so we get we were notified of that last day if people five days of notice and then required mask again starting today. If if we can we would probably look at doing that again in the future. Again overall the people that actually were working out at the Memorial building really liked it. They were very pleased with it. Thank you. Any other items from the board. Yeah page I just will reiterate, there are only two reasons I think for liaisons of count for council agents to these boards and commissions. One is if there's a way for us to add value to your work, the others to make certain that council members here what you wanted to hear. So, you know, I'll think hard about what I can bring to this board in terms of adding value, and I'll listen carefully so if there are things you want me to take back. Don't be bashful about letting me know. And, and don't, and don't be shy about, I'm easy to reach if there are things you, you, you feel like I can bring that I'm not bringing let me know. Thanks so much we appreciate that. And along those lines I did want to note that part of the wheat that board had, I guess probably September was our most recent conversation about the new recreation facility and I think we had really broad interest on this board to restart that conversation and whatever way was appropriate and we had talked a lot about you heard the references to surveys and you know public engagement because I think we were really interested in where the people of Longmont are with that right now and really doing some robust public engagement and surveys to inform a next iteration of that. So I anticipate that as you with the new council. Start talking about that again just know that this board previously has been really interested in that, bringing that conversation back and understanding where the city is now and how we can move that forward really effectively. And I don't know where for, for Jeff and his team, as he just said, you've got across the city. Every department is struggling with staffing, just the basic functions of city government. It is a real challenge. Given that if given that, you know, I mustering together the group that could put together the right kind of survey, right. What you ask is going to be important. And now you ask it as well as well as who you ask it of. But the timing on that's going to be sooner rather than later in terms of in terms of shaping a survey and doing data collection. Because I, I just think we have a remarkable, maybe a once in a generation opportunity coming up this year, relatively soon, parks and recreation ought to be part of it. And you, and you would, what you'd like to do is not miss the opportunity. And, and I think it's possible. If we're creative enough to put together the kind of proposal to a community that would bring our recreation community, our arch community and our friends in the library together. Right. All pulling in the same direction on a grand proposal to the community. But, but we have to be ready for that. Jeff, I hope that sounds familiar. Because 20 years ago, we did this right. Senior Center Museum Rec Center bingo. Interesting. I wasn't here for that. Okay, I did have one more one question unless there anyone else has anything. I was just wondering, I saw in the update Jeff in the recreation update that it seemed like at least in the early winter, things were going well with the ice program. And every time I've been there. It's been good attendance, but I wondered if you could just give a quick update on how things are going with that I civilian and with the programming. Yeah, like, like anything outdoors right now they it's very successful and, you know, when I talked to staff over the holidays we were averaging 150 per day, sometimes 150 per session. And so there really was no room for anyone else to be there during the holidays. This time of year after school starts going, you know, the kids go back to school things slow down. And that's when we really start doing the programming with hockey and learn to skate and figure skating that it's it's been a really good year so far. I will bring our included in the packet next month, kind of financially where we're at as compared to 2020 so that you can see that. That'd be great. Thank you. Okay. Any other items before we move to adjourn. Right. If not, then, can I get a motion to adjourn the meeting. I'm going to get the meeting. Thanks Aaron. Dan, do you want a second. I'll second that. All those in favor. Great. Thank you. The meeting is adjourned.