 ah boy boy boy girl girl girl we've done that before so you don't rehash intros i just did well i guess we did welcome back to our stupid reaction to the units of corbin i'm rick and you can follow us on instagram and twitter i want to see you see you see you with it juicy juiced all over your face hmm oh thank you some patreon follows follow us on official twitter countering the bell with our location squad you know my dad sends me email every he's done ranting about how much he just likes your mumbling all he does now is he'll send me he'll send me the email he's like yeah i saw it i like this that corbin sucks he signs everything corbin sucks that's fine yep i know you don't care i think it's hysterical couldn't give two shits uh today we are doing a movie review you little you little hellions it is our first introduction well first lead introduction i would suppose true i i suppose to abhishek little b little b uh we got to see the lovely ashwarya rye yep and uh i don't know what film it is of his but uh our which film of money rotten um fourth fifth something like that something like that somewhere around there but we are watching guru our first a raman though don't you think yeah yeah first a raman them yeah i think so uh we are watching guru we watched guru the hindi version of guru yes um there's a molly allam but it's apparently not the same story at all it's just the same name yeah whatever um but uh this came out in 2007 obviously written and directed by money rot rotten rotten them right yeah uh composed by a raman starring um abhishek oh uh oh ashwarya ashwarya and and and oh my goodness roshan seth was in it at the end did you recognize him at the end he's from ghandi and temple of doom is that the guy from temple the the not the main guy no not the main guy but i remember seeing him for the first time in ghandi he plays a prominent role in men kinsley it's ghandi and i haven't seen him in for so long that when he appeared i went thinking to myself how have i not even thought about this guy in the past two years of india yeah i i did not uh i don't know who he is oh i instantly i saw his face i was like oh my goodness it's him um anyway but also starring um mithan shakraborty and marabhan marabhan yeah um but obviously the two leads are abhishek and ashwarya and then young vidya that seemed very young very young or at least they made her look really young i know it's not that it's only 2007 but is it 2007 or 2003 this is 2007 it it no it is it's 2007 because i think that's also the year that they married they married the same year yeah i think so i don't know which came first the chicken or the egg like the film or the marriage oh i don't know if they were the film and then they married or they married and then the film but it's in that season no idea yeah anyways but it's understood in sort of view i'm sure you've all seen this one before yeah this was actually a patreon request for the hindi film for this month if you'd like to join our patreon any tier you get uh they could pick one hindi film in one regional the region it's hindi and regional is because hindi would win the poll every single time so i there's two polls one hindi one regional this was the hindi anyways rick your initial thoughts i didn't write a paragraph for this but my initial thoughts were i liked it um i didn't love it there's things about it i did love but uh for the most part it was just a one and done for me in terms of i liked it um i felt that it was um better as it went on i i i became more engaged as it continued which was quite a feat considering the the runtime being as long as it is yeah and we're dealing with a guy who made polyester not a very riveting subject matter yeah uh and i the one thing i can't critique which i usually do in this situation because it's so important yeah is the historical accuracy of this man's story because it's based on an actual man oh it is it's based on this actual pioneering business oh i did not know that yep i i just assume everything's fake yeah no just this is just like legon okay yeah uh no i did not know that way i don't i don't uh i don't know so i gave i you know my my grading system that i have for it i i gave it a c plus because most everything fell in the range of like a seven for me which is acceptable nothing superlative spectacular you know my there were some beautiful moments cinematography wise there were some beautiful choices music wise i could see the effort that everybody put into the film but when it was all set out makeup did a good job aging them by the way i thought oftentimes that's awful yeah but they did a pretty solid job and as far as our two leads i mean ishwari ishwari for me and what did you think of abhishek and what i thought the film because i have a lot obviously to say about abhishek i i i i i agree i i'm not sure i particularly enjoyed this film uh overall i got i definitely got bored yeah uh especially i but i do agree it got more interesting especially when you got older yeah it got a lot more interesting it's a one and done for me maybe it's just what the story is it's a guy it's like it's not like a gangster story it's not like anything like that but also i just feel like sometimes they they sped too fast past like the the time like the couple years passing and i was like i would have liked to stay so i can appreciate what's going on or it just felt like they were hitting bullet points almost but like i said i i'd probably give it around a c plus c minus it wasn't bad by any stretch i like i i would definitely like that akshay film we saw in terms of my enjoyment i definitely enjoyed this way more way way way that this that was very cultural and if anything the most problematic thing i had was probably the writing and i'm not talking about screenplay language because we can't do that but based on what i was seeing there were just some things with the writing that at points weren't very believable for me yeah like you like i would like to stay at a particular spot i don't believe that would have been resolved that way yeah uh yeah there was some stuff like that abhishek though i thought did well um i thought he did better and i i see i can see his growth from this to ladu yes uh much yeah i could see his growth from this his biggest growth that i wish he had had back then and i don't know how close his dad has discipled him with acting but something that big b knew to do many many decades ago uh is to be still mm the the final monologue especially in light of the physical handicap he was having to convey he would have benefited as would the cinematography in the direction from pink like stillness in the court yeah i didn't i didn't like how they did the court that it really it was it was way too like like almost out of body like they were yeah they were it seemed as if they were trying through the the camera angles and the cinematography and the editing to make it more engaging and dramatic than it actually is on the page i think the speech could have been as dramatic like more dramatic i thought the speech was actually yeah written really well i thought he did a really good job at that i just wish they would have like let him do it i i really was thinking to myself all i could think about i don't need that dramatic music no i don't need the weird editing stuff going on remember how they shot big b with his final summation in pink yeah in the court yeah it was really good mostly static close-ups mm-hmm and big b being big b yeah in just delivering the lines from a place of control and stillness and that was what was missing for me in the monologue which is the kind of thing i felt was missing along the way it should be noted it's an extraordinary difficult task to carry a two and a half hour film about a man who makes polyester mm-hmm yeah so not really i do want off the page no riveting story i want to applaud abhishek and it encouraged me what i saw here was ah i didn't see the brilliance i was hoping for no but i saw enough to make me think ah good and i could this is 13 years ago 13 years ago i think he's definitely even in the little we saw him in ladu absolutely loved him in ladu we thought he did a great job did a great job uh i he had the stillness in that you could see his growth in and i don't like i would like to love to talk to him in terms of how much he he learned from his dad with what what his involved i know i saw an interview after his dad saw this and that was his proudest moment in film after what is something his dad said to him after his dad watched this film yeah uh and that was like his proudest moment so obviously he looks up to his father how could you not how could you not uh and and he wants his he wants his validation of course i want big b validation of course for big b to give you approval and validation for yourself as an actor is about as good as it gets especially because your father yeah that's an added benefit yeah um so yeah i i i definitely don't think he was the problem in the film oh not at all uh that that is definitely not i think it was actually more the editing directing choices a little bit and again that's why i give it more of a c plus than i would give it say a d or an f anywhere because i felt that i could see them trying yeah and not not in a weird way it wasn't like they were not trying to be artistic i just i saw the work they were putting in and that's meritorious yeah but it didn't convey as well as it could yeah right i agree yeah uh shawaria i mean she heard i love looking at her eyes like she has the most expressive eyes i've ever seen in my camera just freaking love and uh she even though we saw a couple of those numbers before yeah um she killed it in in the dancing and that the music in this of course it was phenomenal yeah that was some of the most like riveting parts when like i think it i don't know if it started with the belly dancer song it was early on was it was that yeah that was a really fun song and then the uh this i guess it was a makeup song yeah which i thought was such a weird transition from it was that she's leaving yeah by the end of the song she's good again right i agree little so many things like that like like out along take the time right it's like hey look i'm pregnant hey we have twins it was just really quick i think i think that was just i think that was probably the biggest problem is they they've sped too fast yeah they wanted to make it more dramatic right this is not a dramatic story it doesn't mean it can't be a good film you just have to focus on the stuff that people care about and the other thing i did this is where i can't make the comparison with real history with this this actual man is the gripes that his buddy had who was the 50 partner owner and then became his primary antagonist right yeah i couldn't tell and i think they wanted this at the end because they're like who is this guy is he a hero or is he a villain i was like did they even even know they didn't even know i was confused i was like okay i wish there had been more of that for us as well yeah i wish his character would have been a character we're at times i thought he was a villain like i thought he was that's where we were going i thought and i would have loved to have seen times where it's like dang this is daniel plainview from there will be blood and then all of a sudden wait a minute whoa this guy's actually a revolutionary business owner who's doing some good things and yeah the government's screwing him so yeah good for yeah i didn't i didn't really i i saw him just as a good guy throughout yeah i thought they like i don't know maybe the the money right now was struggling with what type of film you wanted to make as opposed to just making it a strict drama he wanted to he wanted to make it like more dramatic i don't know even though i feel like his life could have been dramatic enough it's and we're being really nitpicky here in terms of this isn't like glaring flaws that were like man they just blew it it's just even that's how you'll take it yeah these these are the things that could have elevated it yeah at another level for me the best my favorite thing about the film was two was well i guess three fourfold one it's about a guy who makes polyester that's pretty hard to keep me maintained that's number two both the songs and the score aramon did a great job and the director did a good job placing those songs in in certain ways as was some of the cinematography choices and places were really nice seeing abhishek do a solid job wasn't it wasn't mind bending and breathtaking but it was enough to carry the film and for me to think okay yeah this is who i thought was there and that was almost 20 years ago i want to see more of him now and then ashwarya um she's just we talk about obviously her beauty and her being on camera and i talk a lot about how i think she's the hardest working woman in indian cinema with what she goes through but i don't know that i've ever caught ashwarya having a false moment yet no no she's such a she's such a good actor she's a she's a really good actor and i'm beginning to want to like start to do this because most people talk about ashwarya at least that i've heard more for her beauty and i saw it in gersnatch as you did there's this lady's an actor oh yeah this this lady is a and i thought this was like when we saw the trailer was this the two person thing that i felt was like a two person film with just abhishek and her no or is there another film that looks like that that we've yet to see no idea i don't remember what from your i remember a trailer that i thought was really gonna flex their thespianatic muscles and it was just the two of them and it looked like a two person play no i don't think it was this this was surely wasn't this was a very grand especially towards the beginning like it was it was almost stylized a little bit in terms of like um how they did like i can't even think of yeah almost like just very period almost especially towards the beginning i guess i guess they were well needed to be needed to be a yeah and i do i will give a shout out the final shot that was the first shot where we basically bookended the end of the film is where we started the film he's standing there looking out at the empty cricket arena right and they had him there and they do the pan and then when they come back around you know they go around the front of his face and then when they come back around it's full i thought that was cool so is this like the biggest company is biggest is it still or is it not anymore i don't know no i don't know but here's a little trivia for you and a reference for another film apparently they got a lot of their supplies from dupont watch fox catcher oh that's the dupont family if you haven't seen fox catcher be well you might not want to watch it during covid it's not a happy ride but it is steve karell will scare you he's such a freaking shapeshifter in that movie great act oh anyway yeah so um i don't even i'd have to think if this is our fourth but bombe dill did you like this or dill say more this this more okay yeah because the acting for this in the most part was grounded but what about roger i like roger um but you liked it more than this one probably i like roger more than i like guru but obviously love bombe that's my favorite of the ones we've seen of his bombe is bomb is at the top dill says at the bottom gotcha uh bombe roger guru dill say yeah what else what are we missing i think that's it unless i'm wrong no no that was i we did the three we did his yeah those three the trilogy the the terrorist trilogy essentially um yeah it might list might be similar to it i i enjoyed dill see obviously a lot more than you did uh in terms of just as a action i mean a romantic thing with a bunch of great songs so yeah it'd be similar but yeah that's um um yeah probably might but bombe would definitely be number one uh i i think that film overall in terms of story directing everything was really really good that's that's the one that if someone were to say to me do you want to watch it i'd be like heck yeah let's watch it again yeah so let us know what's next of his films that we should want yes uh especially anything newer yeah closer to the present day um and abhishek abhishek what is his next uh i know i know his reputation is that people actually think he's a good actor he just well some people think he's a bad actor but some a lot of people think he's a good actor he's just chooses bad films is essentially what a lot of people say but obviously we don't know we've only seen two of them we loved him in ladoo yeah that film was so good more i think about that film that was really really good it was a very good movie um uh so let us know uh in of course ashwarya and yeah i would love to have not a hint i would love to be able to talk to both of them together wouldn't that be cool yeah i would love they love together i know i would love but we would need like two hours yeah it would be it would be a lot harder to get ashwarya than it would be to get abhishek yeah but i would love to hear them talk especially her because like we have around people with the family oh we need to turn that into a mini series