 Okay, so in pedicles is you know, let's look let's look at some options, right? He's not trying to bring together what? Parminities and Xeno Right, he's not doing that parminities and Xena agree with each other. Remember Xena is trying to back up parminities here He's not trying to bring together annex commander and annex amenities You know those two they actually disagree with each other But that would be trying to combine the finite with the infinite which just isn't possible. That's conceptually impossible He's not trying to bring together or something like Pythagoras and Heraclitus I mean that'd be an interesting project, but it you know That would be to get bring together somehow form and unity and they don't necessarily disagree with each other But rather he's trying to bring together parminities and Heraclitus Remember parminities is trying to give an account of reality and and where it's fundamentally unchanging as permanent And this is very appealing especially to the Greek mind Reality at its bottom is unchanging and it's permanent. It's not just going to whisper away At the same time he wants to accommodate what Heraclitus has to say. I mean he buys into Heraclitus's project So yeah, there's change. There's lots of change So he's still he's trying to account for change Even though there's something permanent and unchanging about reality So, you know, this is kind of a trick or he can't be something can't be both changing and unchanging in the same way Okay, so how does he try to keep parminities? Well, he's going to say that parminities is right about the one Except that there's not just one one. There's many ones And there's four different kinds of ones Fire ones or water ones earth ones and air ones right or particles It says there are these ones. They're permanent. They themselves are unchanging And so the fire particle is always a fire particle. It doesn't turn anything else. I It doesn't go in and out of existence. Nothing like that These parminating ones these particles for the four elements are unchanging That's how he thinks he keeps parminities. He thinks he's able to keep Heraclitus by saying But at the same time there is something that's changing and it's objects objects Change they come in and of existence. They come they go out of existence All right, and what objects are are combinations of the particles the particles are unchanging the objects are Objects do change depending on combinations of earth, wind, fire, and water you get different kinds of particles around us So that's I think that that's the two views is trying to put together Parminities with the unchanging and Heraclitus with the change