 Hello everybody if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly Joining me as always is my now much more boring background at Tom. What's up, buddy? Hello friends Keeping himself professional. Yes, see that's that's a missed opportunity for some good conversation starters, I say Hey, I will have good conversations regardless of whatever my background looks like Sure, let's go with that at any rate today We're gonna talk about the best and worst units as through the frame of the new GHP in the new season We're gonna do it for every army in Age of Sigmar, that's right. We're going through every single army talking about what is their primary strat? What do they want to play into in this meta? right and What are the units that actually stand out and shine? What are the good? What are the bad? What's everything in the middle? So We're gonna get into that, but of course first the news Rumor engine Yeah, it's it's a great like it's funny because like everybody looks at this and sees what they want Like it really it like it's been this Rorschach test for so many people where I've heard a lot of different interpretations of what they think it is Vince. What do you think it? a zinge thing you think it just because of the swirl the flamey flame of zinge plus the swirl I Mean it looks like the fifth element. We should state that but but I doubt we're introducing Lelue Dallas to Warhammer So instead I'm gonna go with with with zinge. It's a zinge rock for the upcoming zinge warband. We'll discuss in a moment Fascinating so you think it's gonna be part of a warband. Yeah Interesting Yeah, I could see that I'm inclined to think zinge as well because I think just underneath the little swirl I think we have that like a stylized bird head. Oh Yeah, sure. There's a little bird head. There's a little flame of zinge. What's up shy hammer man? I hope you're doing well At any rate. Yeah, that's absolutely what I think it is Yeah, like it those are I mean like we could decode all of those little runes on the side Those are chaos runes. They have direct meanings like you can just Google that Yeah, if you want that that exists. There's an a lot There's I was just I know because I just had to like use I've been using them for the project I'm working on right now. I don't remember what those are all thought my head But every one of those has a meaning meaning most of them are probably there's zinge or generic chaos runes No, I agree with that It's so funny the number of people that I was like somebody was like it's an elf waystone and I'm like, uh-huh And somebody else was like it's it's OBR because there's Egyptian hieroglyphs on the side. I'm like, mm-hmm. That's not what that is. I agree. I think it's zinge I think it's a I would not have said a war band But I did have the question of what is this right because I think that there's a very legitimate question of like What are we looking at here? But if this is on the base of some model or the light Well, especially things float and fly yes, so you need like you you often will need magic rocks to Sure, sure. That's hovering off of yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly Let's see Okay What is that one? I'm looking right now at these various little runes to see if I can figure out, you know what they are You know what would have been awesome is if you would have done this with a labeled image before the show if you'd been prepared Vince Oh my god, Tom. How about you shove it straight up wherever the Sun does not shine, okay? Because I did label the next image and that took a while. I know a 40 slide PowerPoint But hey, I know you did. I know you know, which is which is exactly why I bring that up Yeah, sure sure um at any rate yes if you if you search for Like the dark language or whatever. I don't know maybe don't search for that search for like chaos runes Warhammer You'll you'll find that you'll find the original image that has all this stuff in it trying to summon some real demons Yeah, it's not that I realized that's probably gonna direct people down a weird path But yes, all of them have like meanings so At any rate I glance I couldn't figure it out. It's a lot of runes that that's using specifically the runes that mean whole words Yeah, okay, not the runes that are like individual letters because the chaos alphabet has like a phonetic Language purely phonetic like there's no actual Like there's no alphabet. It sounds right. There's no letter like K because you don't need that You can just do that like I can do that hard sound through a different letter, right? They're a different phonetic sound that kind of stuff Anyways, yeah, that's what I think all right. What's next? So our summer thing Yes summer skirmish. Yes, okay, okay, so so hit hit me sure So let's start with this. So we've obviously we got we know we got a new edition of war cry coming I've got the picture up now Terrain with the big trees. Hey Well, let me say this. What did you think about about the box? It's fine. I don't like any of the models Well, I hate you because I loved it. I saw that and I was like I want to buy this and Because I bought the whatever that crazy box was the the crown spine Ger whatever box. Yeah. Yeah. Um, like I saw the board and it's the same board and I'm like, yes I almost have a full board because of war cry and yeah, let me let me and the train will look great right next to that other Cron's it like I want like I love that we have we are building out a Ger terrain set between between all these releases. I love hundred percent with you on that I love the train trees look cool. Yeah bridges are cool. Yeah, that giant tree with the skull is cool All the little scatter train is great. Good stuff for bases. Like I got no problem with the train in this box I think it's wonderful. Okay Yeah on board a Plus good job. I just don't care buddy though the war bands I like the nerve. Oh, I like the nerve. Oh, I like the nerve. Oh, yeah, like I like the nerve Oh guys, I mean the has shit dudes like I'm just gonna run LRL their place will be fine Sure sure the real worshipers of hush it. Yes Yes, it's fine. I like cool. I'm excited for a new addition. Assuming Lee will get a new like here's the book that updates all the War bands be one book multiple books. I don't know whatever, but you know, we'll get like a new Tome that is here's the new stuff for everybody They've said it's not a huge change from the existing one and that everybody is right is up compatible or down compatible or Sideways compatible circularly compatible, whatever it doesn't matter So cool good stuff. I like war cries a very good game It really doesn't need much in the way of changes if they're just like sanding off a few Bumps and stuff and knots in the wood fine great. Yeah, I I'm really like honestly considering buying two of these boxes And then just using so then I'd have like between that and the Cron's mine stuff You'd have a four boards. So you'd have an entire table's worth of boards Well, if you want Nurgle marauders They'd like if you're if you're gonna make a stonks bet that in December when the the slaves of darkness book comes out That marauders are gonna be good again. Okay? Because right now they're not at all but That look seasons change Okay, if you're gonna make a bet that they're good again, these guys would make excellent Nurgle marauders But the problem is is that they're already Like they will have their own war scroll So like you'd have to do some other heavy conversions in order to actually like make it work. Hey That's my answer to you During this in the article that went up today about this box set. Yeah, okay They had an interview with Phil Kelly And I always watch Phil Kelly interviews because Phil Kelly is a very interesting guy And he is in charge of more or less all of the lore for This world other than what's written out in soulbound when they work in conjunction with him and stuff like that Right, and we already know that releases are tied closely to the lore in AOS like that's a really big thing Yeah, so they put up this map for like three seconds in the video Tom Fascinating. Yes, and so in Vince enterprising as always went in and snapped it real quick Yeah Screenshot of that bad boy up and then we added some names. So this is the Narlwood underneath You can see the outline of it because they have the Narlwood No, they have the Narlwood circled in a different picture. And so like that's what this outline of sort of Danish stuff is Yeah, okay And what you can see is these are the forces sort of gathered around now yeah a Bunch of chaos is represented here The question is get like war cry war bands for all of these things my argument. Let's say yes Who knows? Down here right off frame. There is a corn symbol. I didn't label it, but it's just like it's never actually fully in frame Yeah, it cuts. Yeah, because they do a like pullout and it cuts before you can see the whole corn frame But there's a corn one down here. They're occupying this lower part. Okay, okay You've got a Nurgle type symbol here with the in the skin slough fin So I don't know what the corn place is called is my point. These all have names. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I assume that's either that's either our current Dudes that are being released. It is like that has to be the guys that are in the box sure Well, I mean, there's also a general chaos star. These guys are slaves to darkness units that worship and At any rate so like it could also be the s2d star, which is the tainted the tainted wound Yeah, which could also be a nurgle-y thing, right like minor nurgle. You could get like full-fledged nurgle warband But the point is is that everybody except slanesh is represented here So you have corn down here slaves to darkness here Nurgle and then zinch up here in the weird lights Okay, obviously like that doesn't take a lot of investigatory work to figure out that zinch Yeah, okay. Yep Then you have the eater pits over here right at the end of kind of a path through the night Yeah, you know, which is obviously like an ogre thing. Yeah, you have to get items Yeah, the spine crawler webs and then the great stink horn, which I know what that means You're gonna get a spider's warband. There's gonna be a spider kit. How exciting is that? Yeah, you might actually get new spiders Tom of some kind some kind of new spider people I mean, it'll probably honestly be an outworking of the the scuttlings Like it probably won't be more spider riders. Who knows who knows what it could be. We'll see we'll see okay Yeah, you've got camp fortune Which I labeled as like cities question mark because it has a very normal name and it's got like the it's got the Imperial the regalia. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So that feels pretty cities pretty imperial. Yeah, and and now it makes some yeah They're gonna have some kind of position on this map Right. Well, and that would also make sense like if they're releasing cities in the next year to Preview basically some of the design through a war cry box Yeah, correct And then so that's so that's camp fortune You've got dreadfangs tower, which is like obviously some kind of soul blight thing And then you've got crack-tooth gulch right on the edge of the woods there, right, which is probably iron jaws Yeah, I leave it as iron jaws. Do you think it could be? I More either generic like walk great walk or do you think it could be An updated kit for our new our new bad boys school boys They're using like the logo that's more commonly associated with iron jaws. That's true. That's true It should we've just gotten so many iron jaws real like tangential kits like through all of the What's that game the nobody plays? We have a bunch of war bands iron jaws war bands we do yes in Underworlds in Underworlds, right? Yeah, sure, but I mean we don't have any war cry iron jaws So it's true. Well, we don't have a lot of war cry war bands of anything, you know By the way, these don't these don't have to be new kits. Let me just point that out Like these could be the war cry Boxes, you know, like because that's one of the things that war cry does really well Like they've released like these combo boxes, right? Sure. Yeah And so these may not be new kits per se, but they could be like combined kits of some of the other stuff That's out there. I'm gonna put my money on new kits. There you go. I hope so I hope and then finally the one that I didn't label is Ventilax's path and it's that like it's this weird face skull with little pointy like a little pointy crown Yeah, I don't know what that is Guesses and comments if it's super obvious and I missed it. I apologize But I don't I googled around for what Ventilax is couldn't find anything couldn't find any discussion of it I'm gonna go with OBR Sure, that's perfectly reasonable could be yeah, yeah I mean Tina that are tomb kings and we know that doing things doesn't exist. It's not don't don't get Tristan excited like that He's in the chat. No, it's not that Yeah, I mean like I I don't know I Could somebody said could be a storm cast thing they have that crown, but not so much the skull sure yeah I like it could be a lot of things I my guess is that's probably something that has been mentioned Somewhere like those words exist in a book already Ventilax Yeah, Ventalex. Yeah, it's like Alex in somebody's book in the narrative section Somewhere Ventilex Go scour all of the third edition Books. Oh, it could be older than that. It could be anytime. They love digging back for this. That's true. That's true You know, we had our first mention of where You know sig vault was trapped like years ago randomly in a book and like yeah the first shade spire lore or whatever, right? I mean it's forever back. Yeah. Yeah, so the Venus soul trapped in a mirror. Yeah. Yeah so like Mike says Ventilax was in the lore in the og toonkings book back in fantasy. Okay. Okay, so maybe a death thing But yes interesting In this map now keep mind they could this isn't the whole woods like this is the most they zoomed out before they stopped Yes, yeah, there may be more right. Yeah, like you we already know the corn guys I'll write on the bottom the the wood does extend down some distance in the water unlabeled picture So there could be more Things like somebody said oh no scaven or know this or that like I don't know But this doesn't necessarily have to be like all of them. Yeah, right, right certainly Which and I'm guessing that you're your argument now is that the weird lights zinch Warband is going to be that we see in the top right is going to be the The zinchi model that we saw Yeah, correct. That's what I'm connecting here. Yes Yep. Okay. Okay. I could buy it. Um, I mean what what that says to me is is Uh, what are they doing for gets? Oh, Mike was joking. Okay. Got it. I know he was. Yeah, that's fine What are they doing for gets Yeah, you got two gets things. So that's right right one what this says is like they're not moonlight or they're not like sending Spider fang off into the wilderness like they're now you get a show up in war cry. Yeah Worst case it means you get some weird little repackaged box Of existing spider stuff best case it means you get new sculpts. That's how you should look at it Right, which would be amazing. So either they'll use this map to release their summer Or it's right their winter like the christmas war cry boxes And you'll be able to go buy like The skin slaw fends Forces blah blah blah. They'll have some fun name, right, right, right? Or they'll or you'll get a new little war cry war band for them. So yeah All of that or or some combination of both like that's the other possibility Is that it's some combination which like I just I love all of it, right like That I am excited for that and Vince. I don't think you didn't have this in the news We had something else dropped this week I've got it. Well, I've got summer skirmish. We're not done with the summer skirmish thing yet. Okay. That's fine. Go ahead Okay, other summer skirmish thing is for underworlds because we got our our our witch hunter group, tom There it is auger of azir, baby Yes, we have the hexpain hexpains hunters. It's only been three years in calling it They finally on a long enough timeline. You'll get it Exactly. No, it's fascinating. Now it's a question. It's chicken or the egg Or were they planning it or did we did we plant that seed? Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're planning it since we read words that were in a book. Yeah, that's a good call. Um Yeah, they're they're fine I mean, you know what this calls back to me like I like I look at this and I'm like, oh, I know what this is Uh, this is this more time. Yeah, this is this is like Literally the mornheim witch hunter warband which had dogs and dudes And like your witch hunter was like the leader of the pack Yeah Yeah um Yeah, they're good I I honestly don't love them, but I don't dislike them. Well, I don't Love you like I love these things Like I saw this and I was like we got it Sure, I'm sure you were excited. Yeah, yeah, here's the deal Just more more witch hunters. That's all I want to see like I would just be content If they just keep slipping these in wherever Because uh, I mean curse city The witch hunters sold me on that box Uh, I mean look and then we had the van dense Yes, and now We have this like it like we're getting there We are slowly building towards actually being able to you could almost build out Like that's four of your heroes in a city's list. Sure the two vandents this guy In this uh, and are you forgetting about jelson darlin jelson? Uh, darlock or whatever from curse city No, that's what i'm saying like the these the two vandents this guy and then jelson, right? Uh, you could that gives you your four Heroes sure um, and then like Throw in a pair of warrior priests and you're ready to go some flagellants. There's no warrior priests right now, but sure Details, yeah You because if there was you'd still be using the generic witch hunter as well, but he's also gone. I know I am aware Uh, but sure Uh, why not? Yeah, I mean Okay, like main dude looks good Yeah, that's what I'll say Um They they certainly covered a lot of archetypes here Yes, I mean the the other guys were just chaff and that's okay and they're allowed to be like that's their job Is to die like pistol and axe girl the best. I think she looks pretty cool Uh, don't love her hair cut, but that's fine. I mean, I love doggos like I'm always in for doggos. Yeah, sure Uh You know, it's it's fine. Okay. So there you go. That's that's easy. A lot of people are gonna be excited. I'm glad they got them Okay, yeah, cool Anything else That's all the news I have No, that's that's what I had to okay. Very good. All right. Well, very good. Let's go to some uh Pick of the week What do you got Tom? Yeah, so, um, this is a channel that is up until this point has been tangentially related with war hammer And I've spooked it before and I'm gonna spruce both that his channel and also like a video on it and also his twitter feed And that is pleasant Kenobi for those of you you I've mentioned him with reference to magic before because he's one of the content Uh producers that I follow in the magic world And then he was doing a bunch of 40k stuff And then this week he finally broke And he said oh my god I think I want to play age of sigmar Glad to hear and then and then he he solicited the community for Uh, what is your favorite army? And why? And so that's what I that's what I want to highlight is that thread so go bomb that thread That twitter thread with your favorite army Photos of your favorite army and why it's the best Okay Okay, and then uh as well he uh pleasant Kenobi released a video this last week um About uh war hammer, but it's not the war hammer type of video that you wouldn't expect necessarily it was his his Let me say this one of the reasons why I appreciate his take is that he is an outsider coming into the war hammer community Like he's kind of like slowly engaging it And so we're getting reflections from people outside the game on the game and that's something that like I've always surprised like when uh When hey woe showed up like listening to his take as somebody that was a heavy magic player reflecting Like I think that that was he had a wonderful contribution. Well, anyways, uh, it's so funny to have to listen to pleasant Kenobi uh Come to terms with the fact that like so many people who like who Are like war hammer fans don't actually like the war hammer game Like and he's written like so he has this like 10 minute video that he released this week reflecting on Where he doesn't think that most of the people who actually Play or who actually are into war hammer actually like war hammer Um, now he's he's approaching it from a 40k standpoint, but at at times it raises the question You know This also applies to folks in the a os slash, you know, you know the x war hammer fantasy folks Yeah, so she's a I think I think in a os were pretty positive pretty positive Agreed agreed and like and we are in like and I think that's that's also worth reflecting on right that a os is a different type of community Um, and and that even though it is a gw property The community itself what's been cultivated over the last seven or eight years Uh, it's just simply different Um than 40k and the other stuff that's out there and so that's something to celebrate right Um, and so uh, yeah, so I want to just encourage you to all globo gym, but sure. Yeah. Yeah, it's not bad It's pretty good. It's not a good. We got a good group of people. We do. It's a good crowd here Um, so anyway It is so anyways, uh, that's that's my pick of the week All right fair enough, uh, my pick of the week is from uh Stuart the iron guzzman who has a new video Very much along the lines of what we're going to be talking about today Uh, but He's doing it just on gits. Like he deep dives into gits He's framing it on johnny timmy spike in the different ways to build and to play into the bounty hunter slash gb slash You know low drops a lot of what we're going to talk about today. Yeah, and um And so I yeah, it's it's a real good video check it out. He if you're if you're a gits fan If you love them gobbos Uh, well, this is the place. This is the video for you because he'll get you excited About some of the things gits can do in this new meta. So there you go Okay, cool Tom, let's talk about hobby time. Uh, you've been a busy busy boy. What are you working on tom? Uh, well, I had my commission that I had been working on and I set that aside because I acquired A couple very large armies in the last week um One was uh an old high elves army that I've been inventorying and kind of like parsing out and figuring out What needs to go where? And then in the middle of dealing with my high elves somebody came to me locally and was like, hey I have this 6 000 points of idk that i'm not going to use Uh Do you want it for cheap and I was like, uh, yes Yes, please Uh, so now I have 6 000 points of idk that I have no idea what I'm going to do Sure. Well, you got options. Do you like 21 eels in that mix? I counted I do I do. Um, so I have a friend actually, uh, who has started who is wanting to get into the hobby and, uh, She's expressed interest in painting idk and so I'm probably going to put her to work Well, that's that's good. Well, the more people you get painted just get that factory line going Yep, I know you're going to line up my kids. Yeah, exactly exactly You're you're you're your commission painting service will be well in in order You'll be the the new blue table painting just putting putting people to work Maybe Uh, it is a lot of sharks and eels and a lot of thrall. It's a lot of everything because it's 6 000 points It's it's a lot of stuff only one turtle Only one turtle, you know, there's there's room to grow there There's room to grow there's room to grow at the sharks only four sharks And so I could definitely I you could go sex and go whole like a whole the whole the whole shebang So There you go. We'll see. We'll see. All right. Cool Uh, my hobby time as promised last week. Yes, indeed. I am still working on this night of this, uh This imperial night or I suppose traitor night as it were We've made a lot of progress. Here's how the carapace looks now all free-handed and everything like that Uh, all the free hand is done Almost I think I have one more thing I need to add as I'm looking at him Maybe two things. We'll see. Um, it's it's it's a slow tedious process to do these things because they have to all be perfect And they have to all be layered and they have to all be And I don't know what I want them to be if does that make sense like one of the most challenging things about this is like What do you put in what places? uh, but Bainlash is coming along Uh, on the bright side the base is done the skeleton's done Uh, so all that's completely finished. So it's just working on the on the carapace um So he should be finished this weekend. Uh, I'm I'm a good hundred and 120 somewhere in that hours into this guy but uh, but and probably have at least another 40 to 60 in front of me easily But I still feel like I'm rounding Like I'm rounding third base heading for home I have so much footage recorded for this guy making this video is going to be an utter and complete nightmare Maybe you should do multiple videos for monetization purposes That would be a smart thing to do But I want to do I want to do a video on like this is a golden demon project at the highest level Like this is how seriously I take it golden demon project volume one Volume two those videos never work. Well, you're everybody falls off after the first video. So um You know, I'm not I'm not building the largest warhammer model ever. So there you go um Okay, so that's what I'm working on it should be finished this weekend excited about it Okay, then we can get back to other fun stuff I'm gonna have to do a bunch of video catch up because I'll have to make this one and then make a bunch of Like then do other videos to catch up because I've been working on this guy for two and a half weeks All right with that Tom are you ready? To talk about the best the worst The good the bad the 2022 meta winners and Losers always all right. Awesome. As I said, we're uh We're gonna go ahead and We're gonna start out with some high-level thoughts then we're gonna bust into each army individually Then we're gonna end this all on a summary. So that's what you got in store for you here folks It's a long presentation get into it. Yeah, it took a while He thought he thought tyler was doing the show I I did not I knew you were here Uh, all right. I want to talk about meta pressures First tom in other words, what's pushing on the meta right? What's shaping it this amorphous ball of clay That is the meta. What is the meta? Well, it's just it's just kind of what armies are doing well competitively, right? Like this is going to be a competitively focused show not all of our shows are and I want to give a disclaimer right up the top about this We're going to talk a lot a lot of best and worst the lens. We're going to look through for this as a competitive lens okay, if That's not how you play and how you want to play at your table Don't feel like I'm saying you can't play these other units or something like that I just want to make you aware At your table the meta might be completely different than the generic meta based on what you're doing What you're playing etc. So what vince is saying find fun What vince is saying is that if you don't play it this way you're wrong It's not at all. What I'm saying. It's exact exactly the opposite. You got the wrong message All right. No, but yeah, I want to but you know when we think about this competitively, right? Okay, here we go Tom here are my meta pressure points the pressure points. Yeah, all right So there's lots of things pushing drops up. We're moving away from the one drop. Yep. Yep. I don't think you're moving to uh Like you don't think that's obvious. No, I said, I think that's obvious Agreed agreed. I mean your your your common move is to three right now Three, uh, I would argue that like you'll see a lot of catch points at three or four. Yes, right Well, the the question is is the four is how Like the three is for the people trying to beat the fours Sure, if you have two big heroes because the way your army is constructed you'll be four Yes, that's true. That's that's because there are there are some armies, especially in the 3.0 books where you might want to have two Ten wound plus hero leaders And as a result they'll need to you'll you'll you'll be effectively go to two drop Right because you'll sort of like battle reg plus bounty hunters plus the other person four drops or something like that You'll also see a lot more lists that are just like Who cares just a million drops Right like me like my 13 14 drop lists. Yeah Escaping a knight hawn. I think will be the two biggest offenders of this where it'll just be like a million drops Who cares? Yeah, sure. You have many drops. I don't care all of them how many drops all Yeah, and I don't care I'm gonna like because all of my drops This is probably true in both of these armies as well all of my drops effectively That we're are happening during your three drops are in reserve Like no for the knight haunt for the knight haunt you have to drop everything, but then you can pull Pull three right and that's my point. You'll pull the three You could that matter Right, that's my point your your three are effectively going into reserve to counter whatever they did And then from there you can just you'll just completely respond to them For saving you'll just be like my gutter runners are in reserve. Go ahead. My gutter runners are in reserve Go ahead. My sling is in reserve. Go ahead. You know something. Yeah, so the the irony is uh at aco Like everybody was like trying to figure out what I was gonna pull and I would deploy everything and they'd be like, okay What are you gonna pull? Like, no, that's fine. Like everything's just it's okay. We're just yeah Never pull the unit There you go. How about that? Um, but at any rate so the point is there's a lot of pressure putting drops up um Bounty hunters massively increases damage against glacial veterans. I do not think I can impress this enough It is insane How much bonus damage this amounts to is especially on the right units Yep, okay. Yes, you have new levers That that in a fall about a battalion fulcrum that everything shifts around. Yeah, exactly like those gvs Just evaporate Okay, they are just gone Not a night haunt. Well, okay Uh 12 I played a game this weekend. Uh, we played a team game. It was myself playing scaven and ogres against night haunt and cities Okay And the night haunt player got like 30 chain rasps on the middle point Like it was the price of gale and he had a cruel gas in range, right? He did not He did not well, but it wouldn't have mattered. I understand it wouldn't have mattered because then he got combo charged by 12 gluttons and Four iron guts, right? Yeah, and who are both in bounty hunters Right and so like let's let's imagine he did have the cruel gas It would have dropped him back to three and two damage or Or or both or two cruel gas and dropped him down to one damage Which that that would have made the difference, right? Sure, right night. I don't have a good play But even with discord right up. I mean he got over killed by like I'm sure I'm double the use all the damage Yeah, yeah Because they were all on like twos and threes with sixes or double taps and you know blah blah blah blah and They had like they had everything buffed to the nines when they went in, right? Yes At any rate the damage is high now We'll get to night haunt because I do agree with you there though. There are one of the exceptions here Most Galation veterans just can't stand up double damage. Yeah, okay It's just it's just the fact like gvs were not made for this kind of damage Most most Galation veterans in the game will just evaporate when touched by a bounty hunter unit Right if it's the right bounty hunter unit Sure sure right and that's what we're going to be talking about right is like what are the best What are the good bounty hunters? That's right. Yeah, exactly And and by the way most every army has at least one unit. That's a good slot for this Yes Yeah um Elite So so what are the pressures like this is things that are shaping the meta again Elite large base models can more easily fight in ranks if they're gv May or may not matter, but it's there Like that ability to fight in 40k melee it can matter to some armies It mattered a lot with things like those ogres who were able to get in on a pretty minimal frontage and still all fight Yeah, right. Yeah Uh Powerful single models outside of sons of behemoth and marathi are just dangerous losers right now Because of purple sun Yeah, purple sun Like the real sun is so powerful Its gravity well is just warping everything around it. It's the meta. It's just warping the meta Correct Yes Like there are just comets that are way out in space being just looping their way slingshotting around this purple sun It's so powerful Yeah And like it is so good and so dumb And should be fixed It's the reason why kurtos is no longer in my list Sure if you have a hero That's 300 points plus you better think real seriously about whether he deserves a place in your list Right That's it Because the chance of you losing him Very quickly and easily with no save no recourse no nothing to stop it is high Yeah Yeah, all right Yep Oh chase I know let's not I mean like we could do it we could chase we could do an endless spell comparison of 50 endless spells Compared to sun and they would all be losers because sun is both a combination of wildly undercosted and stupidly effective Yeah, like it is such an outlier for how these things should work Yeah, okay So it's it's it is both way too cheap and way too effective and I've seen a lot of discussion of this online Like I I went and read a couple facebook threads about this because it was a mistake But I wanted to wanted to see what the what the people think And you know, there's a good number of people who are like, yes, it's definitely warping It should be doing you know mortal wounds high numbers of mortal wounds against big targets stuff like that Which by the way like sure that would be a perfectly fine solution sure And uh, yes bartek we'll talk about that And uh The reality of the thing Like some people are like no you should just get your models put in the bin for one day and I'm like Okay That's an easy thing to think until you get spell domped and lose a good portion of your army And people don't understand the way percentages work. They just don't Like people don't understand math humans are bad at math if that purple sun lands in a place Where it can hit three of your heroes Yeah Okay, which is not or three of your single thing units not necessarily here. It could be big monsters, right? Yeah, it could be a black three single item units single single thing units There is a 40 chance you lose one of them the first round it drops 40 that's not small No, there's a 40 chance you would die driving to the gas station in your car. You wouldn't get in your car Okay, 40 percent's real high. Yeah. All right. Yep If that thing lives if they fail to dispel it once as it ticks over into their turn Yeah, okay So if they fail to dispel the next turn and you get to do it again Yeah, because you'll get to do that before they move right, right, right? And and it's not an automatic dispel by any stretch because you need to roll a nine raw nine or die Right. Okay. Let me just roll tens, but sure. Sure Okay, if that happens Then you have basically a 60 chance that somebody dies It's now odds on you lose something That is insane Yep, never mind that it's broadcasting a giant negative one to save. This isn't the purple sun hate hour Martin be old why 40% isn't it just on a one? Yes, Martin, but you're hitting three units. So that is That is 16 percent 16 percent 16 percent and the cumulative Of three any any one of those Any one of those dice equaling a one is about 40 percent. It's like 39.9 something But I'm rounding Right, right If you get more units, even better Right, like the chance is skyrocket. I'm conservative with the three units So anyways sun is powerful and meta warping. So it's a very it's meta warping right now Like it is putting pressure in the meta Yeah, yeah, no problem. Martin. I got it so The the point here is it's making large single monsters god models trash I don't know how else to say it It puts an extreme handicap on those models anybody basically like I said 300 points or more I would think real seriously about it. Yeah Yeah, because you don't want to be running Karzai and then have him just go in the bin Right. Bye. Like it it is it is making me want to just do Like, you know, you know what just gained an immense amount of value Oh, thank you. It's 42. I could I did the math and then I couldn't remember. Yes It's I'm actually rounding down. I apologize. Go ahead, Tom Uh is mermorn banshees Uh, sure because because they can like eat suns. Well, it's just free like it's just free Like the key is is like it's above and beyond the dispel. It's above and beyond everything else It's just when it moves near They get it has a chance to eat it again, right? And so like it's funny how this may change the math on a number of other Abilities that are you know, like I remember how you were laughing about like oh how I wouldn't take the Spell ignore banner on fire slayers because Like yeah, that's that's the the meta has changed. We're going to talk about spell ignore quite a bit here Right, we'll get right because spell ignore real big deal now. Yeah Yeah, uh Okay, and then powerful on the spells have drawn spell doms back into the meta like purple sun is ridiculously wasted Still to just like beyond the pale powerful. Yeah, but a lot of endless spells got good Okay, like launch in is good portal still good Arguably something like raven axe gnashing jaws is good. Like it's actually probably wearing endless spells should be for damage Right. Um, so you like you you have a good number of endless spells Uh Termin X has got better. I you this isn't the tom talks about night haunt show tom. We understand we'll get there I know terminus is good. I don't care. I still know sun over terminus. Take both But well you can't say both at a time. Well, no, no, it got better because of Uh, they when they really released the fact they put the old war scroll term nexus war scroll in the updated thing It's not that's clearly an error. It's the new no, it's no It's it got it. They they adjusted it from what got published in the book and it's back to an 18 inch setup range Yeah, sure. Okay, sure. Tom. No, there's clearly an error in the faq that I know has already been Uh already been submitted Yes details Okay, so Let's return to the three strats. We talked about this in the ghb show So i'm not going to like too deep dive into these but all for those who are just catching up Here we go. Three strategies emerge. This came out of the ghb show So number one if your army has a gv that can meet the criteria resilient refillable mobile So on you can be an expert conquerors and you play like sons of batmott. You dip dodge dive duck and dodge Right your goal is not to fight. Your goal is to live count as a million people Yeah, and just hold objectives. You retreat every chance you get you win through pure objective domination I'm labeling this the johnny strap by the way Because it often relies on a lot of combos to make these kind of resilience Things happen and a lot of the johnny ish the johnny Ist books play into this. Yeah. Yeah, okay Uh The next one is if your army has lots of elite troops that can deal damage and especially if they can also take a hit So like heavy elite that can deal damage Yeah, your bounty hunters, right? You just lean into it. You take all the hammers and you minimize your gv You have little to none and you win through just killing all the enemy gv and neutralizing the value of proofing ground This is the tony strap Right, you just go in hard for damage right Finally Both those armies like to go second by the way and like want to manipulate the proving ground and play like that And then there's shooting which is the other strat. It's a counterplay to the other two where you remove their bounty hunters So you remove their veterans through shooting, right? You got to have powerful shooting to pull this off But you can take out their key units their heroes. They're things that would make the combos, right? Yeah, you it likes going first it happily takes the double it doesn't care It doesn't ever want to give the turn away, right? Yep. It can still happily go one drop and it's the spike play Yeah right Yep, okay Um cw we'll talk about C w what are you playing that you're doing bounty hunters and expert conquerors? I think I know but I want to know what you're actually playing right now that you're doing both and and yes There are armies that can do both. We'll talk about this as well Okay, these are the three strats and when we talk about all the armies I'm going to talk about a primary strat. Which one of these three do they play into The most strongly Yeah, okay Oh clement said what is a gv? Yes galatian veterans, which is a a designation that is any model that is battle line Less four wounds or less and does not have a mount Remember that's our criteria Excellent i'm glad to hear at cw because those are those are the two armies I have highly labeled as able to play both sides of the coin simultaneously. It's very funny Okay, uh, so you and I are in agreement on this one Uh, oh you're fine raven. Uh, uh, you're totally good All right Counter plays tom, let's talk about counter plays a little bit here before we do this If there's a dominant strap, right when it's affinity time you can also run anti affinity, right? Right, right The greatest example in the history of examples like that. How long will it be in games before affinity and anti affinity? Is not the go-to reference one of the most Wackadoo unbalanced periods in all of magic history, right when like 98 percent of all decks the table were either affinity or anti affinity. It was so off kilter Yep Okay So number one spell resist so and and so for clarity what we're talking about here Is that this is like these are the counter strats the counter plays to the dominant approaches? That's what we're talking about. Yes yes, uh Okay Spell resist if it's basically free and reliable like if you don't have to stretch Bend or break your list to get it Um, and then I have here like slaves to darkness zinge. This is the easy example Right where you're running around and your whole army gets like a base five up Some people will get multiple five ups, right? Like they'll be five up from the mark and five Is it's not a ward? Yeah, correct on the scroll and you can yeah, you can stack those all day long Yeah, right. Yep So like you'll have four up five ups and five up five ups You just highly highly resistant To that kind of thing, you know point of fact, there was a there was a Uh, a slave to darkness list that went five over this last weekend and did exactly this Right, because you know verand guard in zinge are just Very resistant to this kind of like spell shenanigans. Yeah, all right. Yeah Okay, uh Okay I called him a knight crusader. He should be a cruel gas crusader. Isn't that his probably name? Whatever. Yes cruel gas Whatever, I was thinking of him as a knight. It's fine. Yeah. Yeah, he's this is not cruel gas. There you go Sorry. All right powerful unbinds or dispels Right. This is a counterplay like again You want to push out the power spells if you can take the characters and they're good And you have powerful unbinds and dispels to back it up Yep, then you're great like that's a great place to be You know, I was running, uh Some scaven in that battle the knight home player had purple sun I have powerful abilities to unbind and dispel Purple sun didn't do crap Even though it was being powered out by rike nor I could like meet and beat that Right, right Uh If you have built-in damage reduction, so coalesce the cruel gas crusader Um, can zinch fair and guard stack spell ignores. Yes, as we mentioned like they you spell ignores aren't wards So you can just do it is not a word save, right? You just do a million of them Like as many as you can get your hands on you can keep rolling until you get it Uh So damage reduction being coalesced the cruel gas crusader. Yeah, a little little this dude From knight haunt. Um, who is like he was become the most powerful hero in the meta now Uh, and the other one is extreme mobility, which is why you always pack two now. Sure The other one is extreme mobility Right, if you can just pick all of the fights you want And never be there to where your opponent gets to bring their bounty hunters to bear or whatever like if you can easily move Take out their gv Right so on and so forth. That's a good counter play. I think of like Uh, I think of like a six pack of scythe, uh Uh, uh, kernoth Who will just be like catapulted forward to some woods that a tree lord ancient set up Basically needs to land a six inch charge Wipe out whatever they fight and then teleport back to home base. Yep And just keep doing that Right. Yep Uh, so things like that And yes, I agree. Thankful is a house. He's he is he is the house okay Army winners and losers. Let's Get into it. So tom anything we missed before we get into the individual armies anything else you want to say about the general state of the meta? um anything that so uh Another aspect that you didn't mention you talked about um, you talked about damage re are you powerful unbinds of spells A subcategory of that that's too narrow for me So there are a number of armies that have like abilities items that let them autocast endless spells Not sure And those actually are imminently valuable in this meta as well because if you can get your purple sun out Before they do Right like that off. Yeah Yeah, like that that like that is valuable Right, and if you have the way to guarantee that it goes off unbindable, that's a big deal Yeah auto unbind things if they're already going to be in your list anyways Um, so like but that's what I'm saying that's all that's all preventative stuff What I'm saying is there are a number of abilities that you can push I put that push them out to punch past that that will be very important. So for example knight hawn has that Uh LRL has that There are a number of different factions and and stuff like that that you can push those things out And those become really valuable when you're trying to beat them to the punch on the endless spells Yeah, yep Spell in a bottle obviously ko, you know, that's another obvious. Yeah, it goes wild immediately But sure no it doesn't if you have a wizard to control and so the key is sure like I uh Jeremy Viserie went five and oh with ko with a one drop ko this last week and Jeremy Took a spell in the bottle Purple Sun and he had an admiral with an arcane tone that to control it and so it didn't go wild right away Yeah, yeah, and guess what a ko needs or wants more red Oh, absolutely that the rend alone again, it would be were 70 points with the rend alone Right, right the neg one save would make you like people would still play it a lot Yeah, I mean I see that in my knight hawn and I'm like why hello And then and then realize and then realize oh wait, I can auto remove argion too. Yeah, that's freaking sure I mean he's got a four up. Yeah, but yes Sure, I'll I'll take I'll take those odds even harder like he's he he's one of the few god heroes that are like actually Extremely hard to remove with it. You know what cool story I'll let him throw as much as dice as he wants if I can still Remove him on a one. I'll take those odds Sure. Well, it's a one then a 50% chance of a one then a 33% chance of a one. That's fine. There's 66. That's okay. Yeah That's okay. I've also watched people roll double ones before so I understand It can happen. I'm not saying it can't happen. Just saying it's it the likelihood falls. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Let's talk order All right, so order Uh The order winners and losers We're gonna go army by army blow by blow By the way, Tom, do you know what's at the center of the of the gnarlwood the wood world? This is all taking place or whatever the next season of work. Right? A crashed Seraphon spaceship that had a realm shaper engine it That's why the woods is so crazy because the realm she's off kilter They showed a picture like a sketch of what the seraphon spaceship looked like this is like a big one It was one of their big like, uh, like their capital ships. Yep. Okay Uh, it looks amazing Battletoad gothic win. Okay. I just returned to this idea I saw that sketch of the spaceship in the video and I was like I would completely play this game Uh, okay So there you go Uh, if you want to see battletoad gothic hit the like button That that'll tell gw to know to get on the battletoad gothic aos spaceship battle game Just silver towers versus versus lizard band spaceships. I can't wait. Okay City's a sigmar. I'm guessing I misspelled that many times. Uh, primary strat Expert conquers You almost have to be Okay. Yeah. Yeah Uh The best galatian veterans I am giving this to two different units, Tom Okay, here are my two different best galatian veterans for two very different reasons. Yeah Uh One phoenix guard Because they are immune to battle shock very easily and they have a four up word. So they are very sticky For what they are And then shadow warriors Who can be battle line if you've got one of the little assassin generals? And the reason I like them is because they can just pop up Uh, you know out of things like they can be in reserve and if they're expert conquerors They can just show up and count as 30 which is very potent anybody who can go into reserve and just kind of pop out a very Uh In like a pretty Versatile way is a great expert conquer because it's it's a big threat Okay Best non gv chaff so one of the one of the tactics I think that we're going to see a lot is you've got your galatian veterans You need to do stuff and you got to have screens of non galatian veterans in front of them, right? Yeah, yeah They could still be battle line But they can't be gv's so oftentimes those will be like mounted things right if they're if they're out of line So your best non gv chaff. I've got two two selections here one drake spawn knights Yeah Decent move and a three up save base It's fine and and multi attacking So realistically like if you have spots in your bounty hunter list, you can throw them in the bounty hunter list Sure, they could be I think they're okay if they were if they were two attacks on the guys on top I'd support that a lot more, but I get it. No, I agree. I agree like yeah for the for the rent Yep And then outriders and pistoliers just for like your cheapest chips mounted dudes who can go five wide and screen a large amount of board space. Yep um So there you go. Yeah, but like drake spawn knights in Tempest's eye with the bonus save Sure Like like you're just kind of bounce on those drake spawn If you come into them Yeah, no, they're great. I again, I I actually stand drake spawn knights quite a bit You know, they're down in points to like 120 points now for five of them So it's 10 wounds on a you know, a three up save a three up base to up save. Yeah It's great. They're they're good chef. They're good heavy chef. They can actually withstand and when they're not Uh, when they're not Actually battle line. Well, they can't be no, it doesn't matter. They can't and non-gvs. I understand that That's what I'm saying when they're not gvs, right because that's what we're talking about non-gv chef It makes them very resistant to damage and that's the key here, right if you can get one roll We'll talk about the split There's sort of a split between two ways you want your non-gv chef to go Either tough enough to take it or cheap enough that you don't care That's the basic split. Sure. Yeah, right Uh, no, I have not this is the first one. So don't worry doc. You're you're you're on number one This is the first one we got into Best bounty hunters. I've put here demigriffs question mark question mark question mark They don't have a lot of good bounty hunters like sure. Maybe drake spawn knights They really don't have much in the way of bounty hunters So much of this army is just real quick. Let me say this. I have worst gv most of your foot troops Like the vast majority of your foot troops who will just die by the bucket load if something touches them Yeah, because there is a lot of like very average to low saves And not a huge amount of wounds and nothing special that's going to keep them alive Sure. I mean, well, I I actually I'm going to support crazy horse. I'm going to support Anthony here that Um, I I think that bringing in storm cast is going to be your best We are staying in the one book. This is the rule Okay, but that is in their book. It's this is in this book This is the units that appear in this book That's the rules I set down because otherwise I'm going to be allying and coalitioning all It's this one book. It is a city. Does it say cities of sigmar on the bottom on the printed thing? If not, I don't care Okay, I gotta have rules Continue sure. I understand how good some of the storm cast units could be I'm saying when you're stuck to only city stuff I really it's like, okay demis who aren't great All right, and most of your foot troops are just people waiting to die Like they're just waiting to get exploded Sure My summary on them control your battle line carefully as you have lots of foot troops That are very susceptible to getting exploded by bounty hunters, but you can do it like this There's there's absolutely a path to victory here through the through the ec Slash maybe a little bit of shooting backup play, but you got to protect Yeah Okay, cool. Anything else on cities feel like we got that one. Yep phoenix guard are great I hate I hate them. Nothing makes me want to play sig vault more than just every time I see phoenix guard on the table Uh, that's funny because I have 20 painted and 40 more built. Yeah, sure. Sure I play them a lot. They're they are a frequent opponent at my table okay Daughters of cane I have listed their primary strat as shooting slash bounty hunters Yeah, sure Because they can do both simultaneously. They can walk and chew gum Yeah, uh Their best galatian veterans canite shadow stalkers The the stalkers with their every round teleport coming in a pack of nine. They are battle line in one of the Yep One of the factions now you have to take that faction to get them which is kind of unfortunate Yep, but they're amazing Yes, because you can just relocate them. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. They're very hard to catch They're very easy to go conquer Right, so if you happen to be in that and have a couple of them Yeah, in something like expert conquerors. They are a huge threat To go to go threaten points. Yep. Agreed agreed Best non-gv chaff that award i'm giving to canary Because they are multi-purpose I know you want to pick. I know you're gonna pick so go ahead and pick it say tom say your thing No, go ahead. No, I don't I'm good you go No, I was gonna say, uh, it's disappointing to me That they lost their shield sure Like that you that would that like their old bounce back on morals would have made them like really solidified their spot as the best Yeah, I think there are potentially other chaff units, but yes, I thought you were going to try to justify doomfire warlocks They're too expensive still that like the problem is they're just too expensive for for chaff Yep. Yep. That's exactly right. That's exactly what I came to the reason I love canary is because they can play double duty Right. Um a couple units of canary can be chaff at the beginning if you need to set them up They can be they can autocomplete a battle tactic for you for no reason with no risk They can drop late game and threaten points like they're so versatile In what they can do Uh, they're there best bounty hunters bloodsisters Like just wrecking balls now they themselves Are would explode often Potentially veterans and will explode even when they're not veterans. You got to be careful with controlling that status Because they are fragile, but my god You do not want them being a battle line No, like when yeah, exactly when they're I mean you may have to is the problem when you're trying to fit everything in Like you might just end up needing to but Because it is not a cheap army, right? No it is but like the But blood sisters win buffed, you know on twos and twos with the sixes double taps and the mortar wound kick Afterward they just they wreck they wreck and ruin there is nothing left Uh, okay cool Best bow I saw that's bounty hunters worst gv witch elves It's just just regular witch elves. Yeah, these are just going to pick them up by the bucket loads, right? And there's just no way around that They have no defenses and they're going to take tons of extra damage. Yep They're just going to explode and they don't have something that might save them like the six inch pile in Of the sisters of slaughter, right? Like like just something Something that could help them So yes, it's it's it's definitely witch elves. So I get still a snake world, but we're living with different But but now we got more kinds of snakes on the table. Sure. Now. We've got to pack a shooting snakes To shoot my double shoot and melee snakes to go kill. That's that's the that's the world with some some Various things out in front Uh, yes, that is a good point coach special shout out to the heart of fury, which is a great thing for also reducing damage Um, but I don't really need witch elves for the heart of fury. Um, I can just Use other units with the heart of fury and they're better Yep um Summary play strongly into either bounty hunter or shooting strat or both through the various snakes combo snakes Has solid chaff options to protect these high value pieces Snakes are the winners snakes are the winners this new meta shifted us fully into snake land Yeah Yeah, with like maybe occasionally some sisters of slaughter as chapter and the reason why i'm not Not playing my doc this this season. Sure He has witch elves those elves the dead elves Fire slayers I had to kind of guess here tom because I don't know this army as well So I'll this is this is me taking a shot. Tell me if you think I got it right. Okay. I just realized I didn't spell that guy right Okay, there he is Fire slayers primary strat. I'm gonna label him as bounty hunters Does that pass the smell test for you? Yeah, probably Okay, best Galatian veterans Volkites off board Only if they're off board Okay Uh Maybe Okay, who are your best Galatian veterans? Uh, I actually am super super partial to um To oric shooters to the to the to the orc earth guard the or no the oric earth guard Buried in behind mountains of bodies Okay because And the reason why is because they Can stay out of combat Like you don't want them touched right like the the key is is like this is weak to shooting Right, because you could still fairly easily remove them with shooting Their their defenses are lackluster to shooting But the advantage of what you can do with them is you can bury them behind lines of earth guard berserkers Which are really hard to remove especially when they're not battle line Mm-hmm Yep, and they still can contribute meaningfully to combat through shooting. Okay fair enough. So um, so I actually like Um them potentially as gv So that's fine. I'm I'm accepting of that. Like I said, I I did sort of think about this and guess Yeah, um, my best non-gv chaff is earth guard berserkers. I think yes You've just basically mentioned my best bounty hunters are earth guard berserkers or the rune sun on magma droth The guy yeah, I I agree with that. Yep. We can go battle line Yeah, yeah, what yeah when he goes battle line that dude is a wrecking ball with his profile Yeah, man, he's already good putting him in bounty hunters just makes him so dangerous Yep, and high mobility and just he can shoot across the table do work um Uh, you know also for best bounty hunters Um, since you're willing to consider units off board No, I'm sure Uh, I think volkites dual hand axes off board Are the are some bounty hunters. I do I do because if you're vo starg Um, you're gonna drop charge on like a seven re-rollable from your bonuses like the bonuses you can get in the army on the seven re-rollable um from like a deep strike and be it like 40 from 10 dudes your 40 attacks twos and twos to damage each And you can strike a rune rune with what you know, like you can strike the rune room You can double strike the rune rune because of like the bill I would do would be the rune master as your general you have your oryx as your gv and then um, and then your Which would let you do two runes and so you can do the rend two two combats in a row And so they could come in with like 40 attacks, you know, like They will they will lift any gv they go into Yeah, sure. So my worst gv is volkites with hand axes on board Sure, sure Yes, not in reserve They're dead. Yeah, they're just dead Yes, those guys are just walking corpses. Correct. Correct. Okay So my summary was can win as a grinding force, especially with the advanced damage But needs to keep the hearthgar berserker as non-battle line to avoid bounty hunter reprisal Yeah, and it's what's fascinating is that actually like they are the best the bestest of boys Of chaff Because when you come into those when you come into those hearthguard, they're gonna punch you in the face with their strike back Yeah, there are always strikes first and like if they're like um, I would I would even consider like having them in bounty hunters So when you hit them if you come into them with something that's like a dual status like a gv bounty hunter or whatever That stuff will just explode with the bonus damage that they're gonna be thrown around. Yep So Yeah, Joel, absolutely. We're saying volkites are always gv. Absolutely. Yeah, we're not saying always I'm just saying the best slash worst um Okay, and then yeah, so there we go. That's fire slayers. All right. Cool. Uh, the key is hearthguard are pretty good still Shocker Yep Okay I'd net deep kin I have labeled them as bounty hunters primary shooting secondary Okay bounty hunter primary shooting center. Okay. Yep. Yep Vescalation veteran to marty reavers For much the same reason you defended the auric dudes, right? They're fast They run around behind the line you try to keep them behind like loads of people They can't get targeted by enemy shooting because they should never be the closest thing and that's the key That's the key honestly with this is that they're just so amazing because they can't be touched Unlike the oryx. They actually do that strat better Yeah, now keep in mind magic slash crap, which is plenty and around. We'll still hit them and wreck them But they can contribute pretty fully from a safe ish position behind the lines. I agree. I agree Best non gv chaff. You ready for this? Here is my list in order. Okay The idle on Okay Okay, the ship wreck though. So let me get this right of 300 plus model that's going to get lifted from purple sun Correct. Yes, that is your best. No, it's option a the best one The shipwreck which I will accept Yeah, this is the boat just a boat a physical piece of terrain that's in the way I accept continue. Wait, don't sleep on that like keeping. No, it's real. It's real. Yeah Yeah, if they don't have flying that is a real problem Yeah, yeah, and then ish leon guard the the differential wheels. I I think the I think the defensive feels are the right answer I see I like I really like the idle on especially because he's a big he like especially if you do in the spell castory idle on He's a pretty good on binder too Yeah, no, I hear that I just I I can't put him out front with purple sun's floating around in the meta Like that's it like you're you're rolling dice that it's not worth it's not worth the risk game You just put ish leon guard out there. It's fine Like I have 21. This is or not. I have like 12 of the defensive. It's fine You just put them out you screen do a couple units of that They'll absorb hits and then you use the boat to cover your flank. It'll be fine Right So, uh Yeah, like that's that's fine. I'm just saying I back this this I admittedly stole from constantinos Who is talking about his strata with it? Okay, and he was talking about using the idle on and honestly I like it. I think it's a good piece of chaff. It's just so much gambling. Sure. Yeah I mean Yeah, okay Sometimes you got to roll them dice, you know, that's it's a dice game. Yeah Best bounty hunters alopex morsar guard It's fine. Yeah, I like morsar better than alopex. I know that a lot of people are based on alopex, but sure The shark and the and the offensive yields to put those in simpler terms Um, your worst gv thralls outside of domhain who are just going to run around and get completely exploded with no say about the matter Yeah, I'm just ready to die Thralls as bounty hunters in domhain Uh, can be an absolute devastating force if you can get them up there and and delivered Because good god almighty Will they just chop the living hell out of things? But they have to get in and do the work Which you know, like and like your best bet is like deploying them off-table and deep You know, like yeah for a while. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah having to go off-board with uh, yeah with your with your Pointy man. Yeah. Yeah, I won't take a guess at which one he is. He's soul related I I I I own them. He's three feet away. Still don't know what he is. Yeah, like all the names. Yes, right? uh so Summary it is a I think IDK is an incredibly powerful army right now I think it's a a combo force that can play the trading game better than almost anyone Because the way they can they have such high mobility They can control who's being shot. They can often they have a lot of weird movement tricks like a lot of movement tricks To get themselves to make sure they're sacrificing the piece they want and then reprising with the thing they need to hit with Right. Yeah, and they rely on a combination of elements like save save reduction Striking first shooting picking the right matchups to win Yeah We haven't been talking about this but like I'm just going to mention this as an honorable mention across the board Sure Okay, because this applies to every army but Honorable mention for For non gb chaff Is the cron's fine the incarnate Sure, sure Throw him out there. He's always gonna get a fight twice He's always yeah, I don't mean I don't mean like fight on death or death friends or something I mean he will have two rounds of combat because even he'll have two rounds of combat Like you're gonna have to chew through him, right? Yeah, you have to you have to commit to him He's not easy to remove bounty hunters can't chop through him. Like I hate him. I hate him. I wish I knew I knew you go away I know you do but guess what he's here. So you're stuck Uh-huh. Okay, cool Let's keep moving Cara drawn overlords. This one broke my brain Tom. I couldn't stop It's tough because because they don't really play in the current meta very much Yeah, well, they don't they're playing yes and no that they are playing in a different Yeah Yeah, correct. We ended up at the same place their primary strat. It may surprise you to learn is shooting There are best galatian veterans. I have marked as dot dot dot Arkanoch company question mark Okay, this is not a strength area for them so What are the requirements on Galatian veteran? It's uh, oh, it's four or less no mount the battle line Yeah Yeah, I mean like the problem is thunders get too fragile if they end up as gvs and just get exploded Yeah, um Anyways, you'll you'll see the joke best non gv chaff dot dot dot frigate like maybe I guess just throw the boat out in the way. It's pretty big It can sort of take in space incarnate Like absolutely like they just don't they there's two armies that really just don't want to play in this meta a lot Like that is say use the they're playing a different they're playing they're like playing their own game They're often a different sandbox playing their own game and this is one of them now bounty hunters I would argue andron rigors and then skywardens Are good bounty hunters. They're mobile Getting the bonus damage is good It's fine. I think I like skywardens better Andron rigors do more damage, but I can understand like you might like the shooting better in melee under bounty hunters Uh, andron rigors are higher damage Even even though skywardens have doubled the math. Yes Yes, before I made this call tom I went and ran the math to make sure I wasn't full of it and yes Andron rigors not only do on average about a point and a half more damage, but they also do that damage farther down into the The save because of the negative. So, yes, even though they only have one attack. Yes It's not like to be clear neither of them are bad. They're both pretty close Right, right, right like a point and a half of damage is not like It's not the end of the world. You know what I mean? Yeah So there it is Worst gv thunders Just my god As veterans, I think they're terrible like they're fine. I'm not saying thunders are bad I'm saying thunders that go battle line and get exploded are terrible Hold on just a minute. You're fine. And then it's keep talking keep talking Arco also show up here is the worst. They are they are somehow the best and also the worst They showed up in both categories. It's magical. They won both the oscar and the raspberry or whatever that other award is Okay. Yeah, so I mean one of the things that it would make me think about like is Like I hear your comment about thunders Um Yeah, I mean I like to me like I think a tactic like what jeremy did is the king Which is you run like all the ships. I think he had like Um, he had like an ironclad two frigates two gun haulers or something. Mm-hmm. And then three tenors of arco Sure all in gv And then no, no, no, no, they weren't no, they weren't I'm sorry. No, no, no. He was one drop So it was all the ships shooting all the ships one drop All the ships one drop with purple sun and with Did he also have oh and burning burning head? Because they can like do all the things right? Um Um And you're just it's extreme mobility like it goes back to the like you can't catch me Like everything can pick up and teleport and relocate every turn. I completely agree That's why I said so my summary here was this army doesn't play great Play a great deal with the current meta tools But as a shooting army that can go low drops with high mobility It can actually answer the current meta well the purple sun spell in a bottle admiral with a book Thing is just to me. It's the sprinkles on the cake, right? Like it's why in the admiral can add rend now on one of so now like so those neg rend jumped to neg three rend And suddenly you're playing a whole different game with your shooting Yeah, yeah when everybody's firing of when everybody's firing in at neg three rend Because the sun's floating around behind them and the admiral called the ball That's a big deal. Well like ten arco like here's the funny thing ten arco have um Like 15 base shots Like 21 with the gatlin gun And now it's all at neg one rend Like that suddenly does starts to do work I don't when you're yeah, like Yeah Yeah, I mean like they are one of the primary shooting armies. That's simple facts Right and and they actually have some tools To do it. So cool. Okay Lumineth realm lords, I don't even have a slide for them Honestly, I just said to be determined their current book has a lot of challenges They can play around in this meta, but we're so close to a new book with them Because like the box sets theoretically coming very soon and the book will be like a month after that So I'm just I'm just like they're not going to play much time in this meta with this book They'll have the new book in like two months probably less than who knows, right? Like it'll be likely before the You know what September early September probably is when we guess maybe late august, you know, so like There you go Uh So I'm just I'm skipping lumineth. Sorry. Sorry lumineth fans. Sorry martin Um Do the best you can for another month and a half two months until everything changes Like the fact that the box is going to come out and alter a bunch of rules already And then we'll be in that weird liminal state where you have a box with like partially changed rules Before your book comes out. I'm just not like I'm not dealing with it They're already an annoying army I'm not dealing with some weird thing that's going to be irrelevant in two weeks or whenever that box goes on pre-order All right, seraphon All right, tom. You ready to talk some lizards and they're awesome spaceships Yeah Okay Uh Primary strat shooting bounty hunters Combo strat sure right Vescalation veterans Skinks if you're running the teleport side if you're running starboard, which you're not But if you were It's good Yep, right Because then you can just be throwing little skink or do's all over the place every time and they just drop as 30 people It's great super good easy easy objective capturing, right? Who can also then like bounce out because if you're playing starboard, you're going to play the one where the skinks can just like leave Best non-gv chaff Soros knights I'm in for these guys I think these guys are awesome non-gv chaff. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, nice. Yeah like Soros knights are so funny to me in that They everybody wants to make them the like offensive thing because they have like a million billion billion attacks, right? And maybe that's fine. Maybe it's not, you know, I don't know I'm not going to guess right But there are 110 points for five and there, you know two wounds each on a four up save the point is I'm getting Uh I'm getting like 10 wounds and a lot of base control off of Like a lot of base board control size Off of and a four up save off 110 points, which to me is worth it Right. There you go Okay Best bounty hunters stag it on Going as a troop. Yep, and Soros regular Soros tom I'm making a call here. Wow regular Bulls or us unpack that for me. Okay. Let me unpack that for you, tom Why do I think regular stupid soros warriors are good bounty hunters now? First of all, they are gv and they will die Because they're 10 wounds on a four up save. All right No disagreement, but in coalesced they are automatically getting neg one damage still They still qualify to get the neg one damage Right. Okay, so they'll still turn off enemy bounty hunters. Yep. Yeah, that makes sense. Yep And if they're in groups of like 20 Which is pretty reasonable. That's reinforcing them a single time. Yeah, okay And they have their little clubs Yep Then they're scary because they're multi-attacking and they make three attack space each source Two off the club one off the chompy chomp jaw. Yep And all of those become two damage with the main club ones being neg one rend as well Regular source get into it I'm just saying right like they they are by the way actually a uh Quite a lot of buffs that can go on sorus that have been kind of underused because they haven't had much of a purpose so far. Yep And Why not sorus guard because sorus guard are a smaller number Of guys and their job and they're more expensive and their job is to like Be bodyguards for your dudes For your they're 115 for five. Yes, you still get 10 wounds on a four up save But they're slightly more expensive And their job is more to be like the protector guy You could you could do sorus guard Yeah, they have hold on there are two attacks and jaws like you as chat has pointed out in coalesce. You're actually on two bites Oh, yes. Thank you. Of course the bonus jaw attacks too. Yes four attack space. Thank you I knew there was something else. I thought of when I wrote this earlier. Thank you very much Artorias exactly correct. Yes. You get the bonus jaw attack In coalesce. So you still get the neg one damage four attacks base all going to two damage Yep, and and there's a lot of potential buffs that again are just underused I think it's pretty good And and yes, anthony you can lose five models and lose the extra attack. It can happen But who cares It's a 200 point investment for this unit. It's nothing Take Four of them Or take three of them. Sorry put all three in bounty hunters Great good stuff Yep, you know like I've got stuff now and that's 600 points. I still got lots of room to play there Okay So there you go I think you could also have sorus knights in there as bounty hunters by the way They were going to be my third choice, but I was trying to limit myself So there you go. Yeah Uh, and then the point is is that, you know, obviously there's still a powerful shooting component here. Yep And yes, thank you. Kevin C who said yeah 200 points like off the regular guard Um, like it's just it's a lot of attacks. It's 200 points for 80 attacks right Yeah The army has a lot of mixed arms and some powerful spell casters that can make use of and the spells Like purple sun it can also play heavily into the mortal wounds high damage shooting game Like it's got a lot of tools at its disposal. Right like you're in that coalesced you got Three packs of 20 sorus all in bounty hunters. You could still have some basties backing them up You can still have lord croak floating around powered out an endless spell Right like that still fits within the points quite easily right And I think that it would let you actually utilize some of the underutilized parts of this uh, Of this meta or of this army Yeah, um, I've run sorus a few times even in the old meta and didn't hate it Um, like if you properly buff them they can do work, but I think now they're primed to do more Especially because of the built-in anti bounty hunter tech Yeah, the fact that they flatline that all these sorus thinks flatline enemy bounty hunters Yeah Yeah, seraphon still good surprisingly amazing still good Shockers I know Okay stormcast eternals Tom my primary strat for them. You ready? Yeah, hit me bounty hunters slash Conquerors secondary Interesting. Okay best Galation veterans protectors 10 pack of protectors hard to shift good amount of wounds ridiculous save Hope you don't run into tons of mortal wounds. Yeah I don't know if that's or be in you know, because like that's they by the way You have to be in the sub faction that turns these guys battle line to do that obviously. Yeah best non-gv chaff Prosecutors with javelins. It's it baby Three floating dudes three floating dumb-dumbs Yep They can all be like three inches apart from each other. So they cover an incredible amount of board space Right because it's like 40 mil base three inches 40 mil base three inches 40 mil base Yeah, yeah They've got a three up save base The javelin please do so by the way, uh bounty hunters Uh Something you got going on by the way. You seem very very focused on your phone. It's like a busy night No, I was checking the worst scroll the wording on fulminators because I was about to correct you Um, it works. It's fine. It it doesn't It works The the timing of it works You're talking about in bounty hunters with the new timing language. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We already had this discussion Oh my god. Sure. You missed the show last week. Okay. Why does it work? The trigger for going from one to three damage is on the charge bounty hunters triggers when you make the attack into a gv unit Okay bounty hunters is not a static always-on bonus It is a thing if it was you just be plus one damage all the time There was a trigger check upon attacking galatian veterans Thanks that trigger is coming after the damage has been set and it's still creative Okay, we good now. Yeah, you could have just asked But rather than trying to um actually I still I still think paladors are the better choice Well, they're on the list too, baby Best bounty hunters fulminators storm drake guard and paladors paladors are not to be slept on. They're good bounty hunters These guys are awesome a lot of attacks Super mobile Yeah, paladors back, baby. They're they're my vote I love them. I love them in there Yeah Chase says You are crazy if you think paladors are a great bounty hunter Decimators and grand hammers would be better. Well hard disagree with you chase But grand hammers, so you I accept that I am crazy How are you chasing the your targets down? That's that's the question that I would ask with grand hammers Yeah, the reason I didn't pick like annihilators with grand hammers or something even it was because one they already Exploded basically everything they touch. They don't need bounty hunters And two they're very easy to chaff out Right, right, right, and then once they drop they're like stuck there um But you know, there are quite a few like this is there are other perfectly defensible Uh bounty hunters. I just there's others that work But there's there's others that work is the answer. Yeah, but that doesn't mean they're the best Right I To me, these are the three best, but there's there's certainly others that still work Absolutely but I'm I Chase plays a lot of storm cast as well, but he and I often have different opinions on storm cast and I'm okay with that I respect his opinion. He is an expert storm cast player Uh And then the but I I like I like me some paladors in this meta. I'm back in them. I'm back in them Okay Summary storm cast took a big hit with the change to shooting Yeah Uh, and it moved away from that as its primary strat. It's it's off the table now. I think really Yeah And it now needs to a win through a much more complicated mix of like arms and mobility Like you've got to have all these different pieces and plans and stuff like that Or I suppose you could take like a relic door Who's a high priest with mirror shield and Crandis and power out a purple sun into their lines I mean sure that that's That doesn't sound like a bad idea That doesn't sound like a bad idea Teleport him forward and then he unleashes a purple sun You know who else can do that? cities I mean, he's got a big bonus. Yeah, sure. Yeah, um would be the key sure Um, but hey, whatever. I don't know. It's I'm just saying that maybe that's part of your strat too Uh, okay Uh, let's see A lot a lot of people with a lot of uh, a lot a lot of different a lot of different units They're picking here first. Uh, yeah So the other one that I would say that uh, I actually like as a bounty hunter Like it's not the best. So like I understand that this is like an honorable mention. Let me let me start there Is the storm strike chariot? okay Because I like what it's doing with its mobility and it's like Oftentimes these units are going to get targeted and stuff like that. I don't know. I'm just a fan of the chariot You guys can hate on me. I know it's not the best. I like it I got it. I got it. I didn't even think about that joel, but I love joel mcgrath's pick here 10 evocators and lauchin are the best bounty hunters That's not a bad pick. You can't fit 10 bounty hunters around him. It is doable But it's choose the one wizard, isn't it? No, the whole unit's a wizard. They all move with him And just a real wound. Yeah, they really do Yeah, okay. Now that you and he fits you in because you can move it and they can move afterward Yeah, you win. All right. You know what? You know what joel? You got me. You got me on that one I totally forgot you can actually fit. I had to see somebody do it and take a picture of it to believe it was possible But it is possible. You can't fit 10 evocators around them Yep, that is yeah, that that's that's gonna that's gonna be a that's gonna be a winner for joel there It's the silliest thing in the world, but it's amazing So yeah, just the boat man. I guess like he's just like it's a 22 inch 22 inch move Uh functional teleport right because they have a four inch base Sort of yeah, it's it's more like it usually ends up more like 21 because but yeah, sure. It doesn't matter or yes And then they walk afterward or we put them in temp asai and they get a seven inch movement after they teleport Uh, but like they Yeah, uh Crazy or said best chap is the nighting cantor to auto and buying purple sun Yeah, I mean, I don't have him on here. But yes the nighting cantor I think has a place now in almost every storm gas list. I don't disagree with that at all Yeah, right um, because It that auto unbind is just pretty good And you know, he's a perfectly fine just secondary spell caster anyway, so yep Shutting down the sun becomes of uh pretty extreme import and just being able to say no I love how many people like the chariot. So yeah, you top. You got a lot of backers. I love the chariot too chariot's awesome So I got a problem with with chariot showing up in this list like what so here's the deal I wouldn't take like it wouldn't be my primary bounty hunter But if I had bounty hunter and had two units and was looking for my third The chariot might find its way in there in general. I'm a big fan of chariot bounty hunters in general and we'll talk about it Yeah, yeah All right, last up sylvaneth uh Bounty hunters slash bounty hunters primary expert conquer secondary okay Best galatian veterans tree revenants Do they win the best overall galatian veterans in the game award? Hmm. I mean that teleport Yeah And they're automatically battle line. You don't have to stretch like you do with the the shadow stalkers But shadow stalkers are getting more models Mm-hmm Sure Um, and they're both revs are also cheap by the way That's true And they are let it to you why so it's like you actually get a good wounds to a point ratio now Yeah, maybe maybe Maybe They might like here's my argument. Okay. Let me let me put it this way Tree revs are absolutely and without question one of the best three galatian veterans in the game I would agree with that. Yeah, okay uh Who are you saying uh Are you saying tree revs stalkers and cast warriors? No, mine would have actually been tree revs cast warriors and chain rasps Okay, that would have been my three and I don't know which one of those three. I think is actually the best. Yeah, that's fair Those would be my top three picks. Yeah, so which we'll we'll talk about them as we get to them Uh, okay, like they're just so safe They're just it's unbelievable The number of times that I've like tabled myself enough opponent, but the but exempting the two units of tree revs We're just teleporting around taking objectives. Yeah, just always being where you just anywhere they want to be They're the american express or whatever of that. Okay. Here's a good category your best non gv chaff woods Okay, just woods just being annoying with your stupid trees to physical distance Just actual space on the table Okay, where you set up so far away that there is just almost no ability for them to get to you with anything that doesn't teleport Uh and or drop from the sky Okay, and then lastly curnoth So can they I know that we weren't doing allies, but can they can they ally uh doc? No Like they kind of suck at this category. Yeah Uh, but it doesn't matter. They're just like This is their play style. Yes, right? So like they can very safely between the fact that they're caster as I I don't know if you watched the silveneth review that we did I didn't that's fine. Like they have a very reasonable combo Okay, like just a very simple play where they're going to set up their war song revenant Yep opposite corner of wherever your army is. He's backboarded in the extremist way he can. Yep. Okay near your woods Yep And then they're going to have like the ancient put another woods down and then near you Tree song through it. He has arcane tome. He'll be a triple spell caster, right? Somebody like Uh Because somebody turned on cogs, right, right And or not that's not why he's a triple caster. He's a triple caster because of the tome or whatever And then so they're gonna somebody's gonna a different caster turns on cogs And then he wheels out a uh Um, or a double caster. I apologize. Um He wheels out a purple sun and then wheels out a Uh his two two bomb. Yeah his bomb and then the then the kernels just bounce forward Yeah, right. Yep It's a very scary combination and we saw it actually go like third fourth place At a tournament over the weekend where it's just like the other one is is um Uh mathamallow running the the allarial strike and fade list, which was also interesting but risky but but interesting Yeah, um, but yeah, they'll like just bomb him with mortal wounds and then smash him with a thing that has no reprisal Is a potent strat Uh best bounty hunters Kurtoth with sights because the you want the attack sequence to continue and the mortal wound swords to stop the attack sequence Yep spite writer Lancers who you know, obviously can just like Super ridiculously be mobile Potentially pregame moving 12 inches and then moving 14 inches after that You know, it's just all the mobility and then your basic tree lord just for fun If you're in oak and brow you can get in there. Sure. Sure. He can get in and mix it up. Yeah Yeah, it's fine Worst gv battle line spite revenants Just the worst right now So i'm sorry dredwood players who really wanted to go like heavy spite revs That's gonna be a pass right now. That is not the strat you want in this particular season Yeah Yes, yeah, exactly Uh All right, isn't there also a 3d6 drop one cast from one of the sylvanath seasons. It's Uh, it's not from the season. It's from uh, narrow wood or whatever the season gives you a re-roll like cogs would do You get better poor you get mini cogs from your uh Or wait, no the season gives you the 3d6 the sub faction gives you the re-roll and the Or no, is it the other way around? No, the season gives you the re-roll the season gives you mini cogs The sub faction gives you 3d6 and then the command trade gives you better spell portal. There we go. That's how it is Sorry, we just did this last week. I've banished all this knowledge from my mind okay uh Summary sylvanath's new book is primed to be quite powerful with lots of strong mobility tricks In the ability to hit hard and then reposition like it's a tricky book Yes, I got there erin. I got there. Thank you. Absolutely appreciate the backup. All right chaos Bum bum bum bum bum bum Q konan music That I can't use because we don't want to get demonetized. All right Chose the power of chose Uh Here we go Isn't that a cool corn picture by the way? It is So corn should feel like when's the last time you saw this model right here tom? I don't know if you're looking at the screen But i'm circling a slaughter brute Uh What is the last time you saw one of these on the table? It's been a hot minute. Mm-hmm. Uh ignition maybe Eight years nine years. All right. Anyways. Hey fingers crossed new book. Okay Beasts of chaos Yeah bounty hunters Some expert conquer in there as well because they have a board flood strategy. Yeah, all right Now Beasts are in a really interesting place. Yeah, okay Because they have a lot of crap units Yep, but they also those crap units can do a surprising amount of work right now Okay. Yeah So Here's my argument Best Galation veterans i'm going for the humble on gore All right You want to defend that at all? Sure. Just cheap. Just cheap. I don't care anything that touched him before killed him Yeah, well enjoy your bonus damage. It's irrelevant Yeah, like you over killed them by 10 before now you over killed them by 20. Aren't you a big strong boy? You know like who cares? Yep, okay Like i'm just looking for something that exists And they exist pretty well pretty cheaply because they're like 65 points. I mean, they're so cheap. Yeah Okay, uh Best non gv chaff sentigores Now the reason I like sentigores over Uh, something like warhounds or something like that is because those guys are because they're in units of 10 have to go into the Uh, the bad coherency Whereas with my sentigores, I can stretch them out just completely into the normal coherency without worries about that Makes sense. Not that warhounds are like terrible. Yep. Okay Best bounty hunters dragon ogres Because they're five wounds so they're not Sure any circumstance and they make a lot of attacks like you're going to take the setup the six attacks base That's their little Claws, right so it's six attacks and their weapons plus their little claws and then zangor enlightened Who are like highly mobile and also make three different attack profiles? No, I agree with that Uh, and and who obviously are also not, you know gvs and so again because they're mounted so can't get Like neither of those units can get struck back With by enemy bounty hunters, right? Are they are zangor or are zangor base? Battle line and beast now Or do they oh you're talking about like base zangor base zangor or or do they require a certain general? No, they require a certain general to go about yeah, so I would actually say that they're a good bounty hunter as well Uh, and the reason why is because just the roll number of attacks is going to come out a unit of 10 of them Okay And and you can give them the plus three movement from the braishaman So I mean you can get them to a decent movement um In the right herd you could potentially ambush them Like um, they're like there are options. It's the point Um, I think that they could be they could be solid bounty hunters I don't think they're the best but I think having like a mix of bounty hunter options Like a unit of dragon ogre's unit of zangor enlightened or two units of dragon ogre's and other zangor unit or something like that I like those as options. Yeah. Yeah You know what's what's not appearing on my list anywhere here is bestigore Um, and I don't think that's a that's because I think they're bad. I certainly don't I think bestigore have a lot of actual potential as missiles, you know operating under high rend I think they could be bounty hunters. I think they could be expert conquerors They're sort of an interesting not great at either but okay at both I think they're a they would be a solid bounty hunter for me if you bury them in your lines And then you open up a gap and they charge through. Yeah, sure, which is generally how you use them Yes, like they bust out at neg 2 neg 3 higher rend depending on the situation. Yeah And that's not bad. Um worse gv gore Gore Yep Just gore Yep I like if somebody wants to defend gore for me, please. I would love it. Put it in the comments if you're watching this later Leave a comment down below defend gore I I do not I do not know what these things do Or why they exist. I mean, I know why they exist historically. I'm just saying like they've yeah Oh Okay My summaries beasts are pure offensive power right now Um pushing rend through the roof because they have so many ways to screw with rend Uh, allow them to just deliver maximal damage from bounty hunters with their high mobility Like it's they are all gas no breaks That's why they lean heavily into the bounty hunter strategy But that being said the reason I said slight ec is because you can also afford to go like tons of drops Yeah, and so like having some stuff in expert conquerors just to float around and and run at high speed and go take points is Is not a bad strat Not at all. Mm-hmm So There we go. Okay, cool. All right Blades of corn Primary strat bounty hunters. I wish it was something else But this is what it is This is what we're stuck with. This is what we're dealing with right now Yeah Best Galatian veterans unit blood reverse. Why because they're cheap and who cares and they die if anything looks at them And there's no better options Like I hate that what you just said is true Like I know if if you know like Calf warriors, I know. Yeah, I know some people would want to defend blood warriors. I just don't think they're good No, because the problem is you're paying too much points for what they're doing Yep, and their their survivability just isn't that much better Uh, no When something comes into them that's double damage Bye-bye Yeah, you're just gonna lift them anyways. Yeah They go bye-bye Yeah, they just don't they don't do Galatian veteran units. Well, no Best non gv chaff. I just put none Uh, you know the the answer there also blood reverse Yeah, it's just blood reverse again. Like sorry, but the the the key is the criteria non gv But that's what it doesn't matter. You're always Yeah, but but that's what I'm saying. It doesn't matter. I get you. I get you. Yes Zen, I go around 32 mil basis. Yes Yeah, uh, again coalition units that your answer is coalition units is the is your best non gv chat. Sure Best bounty hunters, uh, mighty skull crushers like them a lot Flesh ounce. I don't hate them. Yes, they can they can get hit on this on the swing back Um skull reapers same thing, but I like them make a lot of attacks. Um You know, look, it might be worth mentioning the blood letter bomb here The blood letter bomb can be back and can be a thing Um, you know blood letters can do some work now that they can all fight much more easily. Yeah. Yeah, that's not bad Like they're they're in the conversation Sure Sure, but I really think mighty skull crushers are like great I think they're great as bounty hunters. I wish I could have put blood crushers up there But I but I but I can't Uh, no gore's are on 32s for some reason Uh worse gv also blood reavers. Oh just blood reavers all the way down. It's solidest It's the best of times. It was the worst of times Okay Summary corn needs a new book badly But the change to blood tithe does certainly give it play Like their ability to move and fight off face can be used to great effect in the current meta That's what I'll say like it's an interesting thing. You can't sort of go for like a flood the board With tons of units build an interesting like build a lot of blood tithe. You can go over eight now You can multi spend Right because the pool doesn't dump Like that is say you can like use two here and then you know five there or something like that. So, yeah Okay So, yeah Cool zeech. Yeah, also new book coming probably a spell dom book just like lume. Yes Who knows? I'm not even gonna guess Play with spell dom stuff Use enlightened right now. There you go. Yeah. Yeah Like there there's there's your there's your shortcut Okay Heat knights of slanesh Primary stret bounty hunters badly But this is the only option they have Sure I mean shooting, right? They just went down like they're like the the archers just got better Bliss barbs bliss barb seekers all the way down No, I mean bliss barb bliss barb speakers purple sun done Just all the red shooting red two shooting army wide Devin, I wouldn't say you don't don't feel bad if that you hate that you play corn You have the perfect army like right now corn is this is the best time to buy corn Because what they've shown is that with books with a clear theme like nergal They make an awesome book. I have zero doubt in my mind that when the new corn book comes out It's going to be just exactly what corn players want what they have shown with 3.0 books Is that they understand the core themes of armies and are writing the books to do those things I would put a heavy amount of money on the fact that the corn book Will just feel like you have been thunderstruck when you play against it. It's just going to be like, uh It's like you might as well cue the mob rule song Okay, because it's just like it's going to be on uh Like that's that's what I think okay anyways Now is the time to get in on it You can say you were there before it was cool Mirma-desh painbringers are your best GVs. They have a built-in bonus to save Yeah, and they got cheaper now So they did fine Uh The harrower they're going to turn corn into a timmy army after making all the players johnny's Yes, that is going to happen Yep Uh Best non-gv chaff hellstriders. I'll give it up here. I think hellstriders are one of the best non-gv chaff around For up they save Uh good ability on the charge like they can give somebody neg one to hit Uh cheap For for what you get extreme like high mobility 14 inch move Yeah, it's actually one of the places that shines in the army hellstriders are still good So like as chaff it's it's great non-gv chaff Okay, best bounty hunters slick blade seekers and chariots Those are my choices Tom Okay, they make a lot of attacks both these units make a lot of attacks. They're both high mobility It's that simple So Yeah, there you go Uh It's not great, but it's sort of the best on offer. I mean slick blade seekers can do work I'm not going to poop on slick blade seekers. I think they're a good It's like 20 wounds for a reasonable amount of points that can that can do some good damage Oh, the key with slick blades, by the way, is their mortal wounds are in addition Right, so you're just getting like the mortal wound is their bonus damage Yeah, and I like I just love chariots though, man. Yeah, sure. The chariots are good again tons of attacks Yeah, like very high number of attacks coming from a small base Yeah, and I think that's the key for me is the small base that base size Worst gv Daemonettes by a mile One of the worst glacial veterans in the game I'm not even going to defend them Like now before I was I wanted to try to make Uh, Daemonettes work and I've been like slowly like collecting slanash on the sly And I was hoping to do like a daemonette heavy thing and then I looked at it and with this new ghp And I was like, well, that's gonna have to wait six months Yeah, yeah, I mean, yes Daemonettes continue to be only a thing you may be summon 30 of Right. That's it Where do twin souls stand as interesting bounty hunters because they have an eight inch move Um They can get a five up word either three or two rounds of the game depending on how you alternate that. Yeah. Yeah, um, they would be way better if that stupid ability wasn't forced into a dance Right. Um, because then I think you could just choose every turn. Yeah Yeah Because, you know, like but re-rule hits versus a five up word does make them interesting They are based two damage. They go to three. They do make a lot of attacks Um, they can fight over top of each other very easily even without the glacial veteran, uh, rule They were already doing that because they have a two inch reach So, you know, I don't I don't hate twin souls at all at their new price point. I think they're quite attractive I just think if I had to choose between like in when I've run slanash, I've used both slick blades and Twin souls and I think and I think that's fine Yeah, but if I had to prioritize I would put the slick blades in bounty hunters before Just mobility difference Yeah, yeah, just raw mobility. Yeah. Yeah exactly Heat Knights are still terribly outclassed the current meta even with their changes from the tome celestial But their path to victory comes through maximizing damage with fast units and spreading depravity through shooting And borrowing as much as you can still from other armies like Get other army stuff in your in your list Well, I do mortal wounds in an area, right? Like mortal wounds in an area is going to be uh, like is going to be You know bueno for you. So like burning head is actually a really good choice for you Yeah, bar tech, you're you're you're possibly not wrong I could have also said bliss bar bar church since they already died anyways If they got touched and they can contribute from the back I would accept that as a second good relation veteran. Absolutely. Yeah. I think that's a good point bar tech I just have a special hatred for them But yeah, it's so funny how negative you are on them and now they're like what 140 or just something ridiculous like just dirt cheap They were like 170. Is that what it was? They were 180 originally And now they're what one 140. I believe that sounds right. Yeah For a shooting unit that with what neg one red. That's gold Incredible like that's some of the best shooting in the game right now Sure, like per point per point that is like go look at every other shooting How many shots at neg one red you get in the game? And they are some of the most aggressively pointed units and they get run and shoot I I understand. Like I said, I'm willing to put them in the best gv option I agree if I put nemarty reavers in there bliss barb should be in there too That's fair Nurgle magikin of nurgle bounty hunter's primary expert conquerors secondary Vescalation veterans This is a this is an area. They don't have a huge amount of strength. They kind of they kind of plays against them a little bit But blight kings and plaguebearers They have Playbearers have a good word save They can get a bonus wound out of fleshy abundance, which can which can then counter the plus one damage they're eating Right. Um, although getting that spell requires Probably somebody you don't want, but right or right. It's something like who's a liability in the meta. Yeah, yeah But and and blight kings hate getting hit by enemy bounty hunters. It's not a great day when they get No, like plaguebearers are a better bet Because you're you have easier access to the plus one wound spell And you're getting more wounds per cast sure Um, so I mean, I think that blight plaguebearers are the better unit there Yeah, that's pro like I really went back and forth on this Yeah, only because like because a 20 block of plaguebearers is 60 models Yeah, I I understand 60 effective wounds is what you're saying. Yeah No, well, no like 20 it's you know, you get one per three, right? You're saying In g an expert in expert conquerors. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Like so 20 is going to count as 60 and they're also going to have You know a comparable number of wounds Sure, sure. Yeah, I don't disagree I went back and forth the only thing that pushed me that I really think it's probably an even discussion The the thing that that makes me push back is blight kings can actually fight You know, like they like plaguebearers can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag Right, but but blight kings can't slap And if you see a lot of stuff that they can actually do their their their mortal wounds swish on That does up their damage considerably. Yep. Yep. I agree with that Um best non-gv chaff again a place. They don't have a huge strength. My vote is either plague drones or beast of nergal Uh, I actually like the farther we've went into this current book I really like beast of nergal sure Like I really really like beast of nergal Because they do that they play in a way that the rest of that army doesn't with their retreat and charge sure and um and like Yeah, so I think that and they are just wonderful like they're amazingly resilient because when there are single models like that You have to split your attacks between Multiple beasts in the way that they pin so well, especially if there's a sloppity in the uh You know in your army like I'm just I'm always impressed with beasts. Yeah, I I agree I've I've I have come around on them as well. I was pretty down on them initially Um as as a strap, but I've come around on them. I mean hence their inclusion in my list here, right? Yeah Um best bounty hunters puscoiled blight lords Mmm. Are these guys In the top five bounty hunters in the game? Yeah, probably Yeah, probably like they're it the puscoiles They're so good now Now we are in a purple sun meta Sure. Yeah, I understand. Yeah, I get it and that's uh and flies do not like the sun. That's all I'm saying Sure, you can you can lose a dude. He can shoot one of your two guys off, which is pretty not great But well and also like if you're normally when you're running flies you're running like multiple msu Groups of flies and so you the traditional is like a four pack and then two two packs Yeah, two packs, right And and then also the lord of the nominations is in the area And so like these are going to deep strike often with it and one or two of the units And so if you drop the sun in the middle there, that's three units any on one on any of any of the two fly units or the The loa unit and you you're having a good day You can afford to I mean like you don't have one of the interesting things about them that does make them interesting the resistance to sun Is their pregame move which sounds silly, but it's not it's actually like it makes it hard to catch multiple of them together Because all of them can operate quite independently Like the lord and the all the puscoils can kind of spread in such a way If they with the pregame move that make sure that like yeah, the sun might tick by one unit But if it's only getting one unit, it's it's efficacy does drop like very very significantly indeed Yeah, yep Dockabus the whip or the spears for health riders It literally doesn't matter because they're just there to die. They don't fight anything But but it's the whip because the neg wanted to hit on the charge So like that's that's more useful than anything else if you happen to combo charge them in So uh assistant ref says everybody knows bugs are drawn to the light and then die working as intended Totally, uh, yeah, check that And then your worst gv and this goes to kind of to your point I said plaguebearers maybe if they're completely unsupported Yeah, right So like if you don't give them the other support they need like a sloppity to stop piles at pile ins and stuff like that Right if they have no spells to back them up. No, nothing. They will get lifted pretty fast Yeah Like that five upward and if their effective wounds isn't going to be enough to save them When the damage doubles Right because they're getting up. They're getting 150 effective wounds, but if they're taking 200 damage, that's pretty easy math Yep, right. Yep. So you've got it. You got to sort of do something to keep them back on the on the yeah Nurgle has even more reason to lean into the air force in the current meta They're most maneuverable and toughest troops also get a damage boost while risking nothing in return The sun is an interesting Thing to them, but again, I don't think they hear it too much Yeah, I think if you're going to do blight kings, I think a 10 pack is an interesting play I think that's that even against enemy bounty hunters. That's a hard pile of meat to lift That's such a pile of meat, especially if it takes a mystic shield Yep. Yep. Agreed All right, scaven primary strat any any They can do all of that. Yep. They can they can build for any of it. Yeah versatility, baby Is this still the most fair book in warhammer? Yes Yes, it is probably bet Because we didn't get any of the cheater crap that everybody else got in their 3.0 books We got like a like a two and a half book. That's fine. Here we go Bescalation veterans gutter runners night runners clan rats anything paired with a warp grinder Okay Got a runners because they go off-board and ambush in Yeah, and they can pop out of terrain within six inches Right amazing or from a board edge or whatever. Yep Uh night runners cheap and can pregame move amazing. They can go out and hold objectives in the pregame Right. Yep clan rats They are the best worst Unit in the game right now because there are a hundred points for 20 wounds They currently have the best ratio outside of like Horrors which are not whatever right. Yep And then anything paired with a warp grinder because it's in reserve and you can just pop it up me like here's a million dudes So and they count as like 80 million things Uh very fun on the table quadrants are an objective mission when you can grind them up and just be like 180 There's 180 in this zone now Not bad Best non gv chaff non battle line night runners or plague monks There you go, I can see that Uh Best bounty hunters gutter runners awesome Yeah, just awesome show up. Shoot mortal wounds. They don't get the bonus damage Who cares on their shot their shoddy shots then they make the charge in stib stab Job's you're good. Yeah Rad ogres incredible at damage three with rend one Very easily on like twos twos six or double taps rend one three damage Then they make mincemeat out of things Yeah, uh Are my my poor night hop player wheeled his black coach up to what he thought was a safe distance It was not a safe distance With the plus three to charge all four rad ogres got into it They they flipped that thing like a car after after a like a sports team wins a football game They were just like boop get this thing out of here So there you go melee storm fiends Yeah under under appreciated The doom flare. Yes, that's right tom a 65 point dumb thing The doom flare, but it's ready to damage to base and it can make a bunch of attacks And yes, it has a huge percentage chance to explode. Who cares Who cares makes seven or eight attacks on average You know on on good numbers like threes and threes neg two three damage in there it pops out It's safe. It can't be shot because it's obviously hiding in the unit until it pops out, right Uh, and then re and if you're insane if you are truly insane tom. Are you ready? I am let's do this reinforced giant rats A 12 pack of giant rats you have my attention. Okay. Okay. Here's the argument This is 120 points and you're burning your reinforcement points is something stupid So you got to have like the right rest of your army consistency to do this but But okay Yep They don't need to be battle lying by the way. Not that it matters. They don't have a safe Anything that touches them kills. So who cares if they're relation veterans or not But 120 points for 12 of these idiots Okay Now they can fight in at 12 of them. They're all fighting Like they're all fighting all the time because of many different rules Because they're on a 25 bill base because they're getting plus one inch to their reach because of the strength in numbers Because of the relation veterans rule if they're battle line. I don't care. Yes, they all fight Yes Again, it's pretty easy to get them on to like threes and threes Uh, they make two attacks each Base so 24 attacks come out of the unit on threes and threes In that number of them they're neg two rend Okay So It's still a 12 pack of idiots for 120 points Uh eight off the top of my head. That sounds right Geez, it's been a while since I've had to really think about the movement of giant rats But I don't hate that Let's see if I'm right. I don't hate that I have most scaven scrolls completely memorized even the new ones, but let's see if I'm right Eight inches boom nailed it. Yes bravery three by the way but but It's 120 points For a unit that moves eight Gets plus three to charge and then comes in making 24 attacks on threes threes neg two rend two damage against glacial veterans Don't hate that I'm just saying There are worse things Okay By the way, when they explode as they will Yeah, remember the master molder can just go like command point on a three up bring them back And resummon them to himself. So is that and you can miss the amount again Is that but is it the same unit? Or is it another unit of that same amount like does it maintenance g it's uh, it doesn't maintain its its status Yeah, it's probably yeah, I It's a great question. That's like yeah, I'd have to double check it. Let's see A new replacement unit identical to the one that was destroyed is added to your army It's a replacement unit. So probably not But it does say identical. I don't know It is. Is it just summoning them back f aq question But anyway, no, it's worth it. Yeah Cool. It's fun stuff Worst gv storm vermin Storm vermin have a point they it's not that they don't have a point They're expensive bodyguards Yes, they are Right Yep, but they they're going to explode when bounty hunters touch them. Yeah, exactly Like I think the 30 pack as a play is dead in the water right now again It's just not it's just not a it's just not the right play right now Which is unfortunate because I have that Yeah, I love running 30 storm vermin and don't get me wrong if you're if you can like Navigate through the waters and not get hit by a bounty hunter. I mean they will chop the crap out of stuff that they attack They're potent Okay Yeah, the problem is they're just so fragile in this meta like they are a very powerful offensive unit But man, do they die easy and they're not cheap Right, you know like It's It's more than 400 points for a unit of 30 of those guys Right and like you're that you know at that point you're almost you're talking about the cost of Like of 10 blight kings, which is just insane Uh, vincent, that's not a hot take. I'm I hate but then I forgot them off the list absolutely Uh sensor bears With with rabid rabid also an excellent bounty hunter. Whoa. Do they slap hard? Yeah, yes 100% I myself have actually used them multiple times in bounty hunters and just watched them just like Just end things existence. So yeah, I feel bad. I left it on the list. There's so many good bounty hunters in scaven All right. Anyway, scaven have a lot of viable units But they have to control their battle line carefully keeping throwaway non-gv in front of hard hitting hunters Supported by shooting and using teleporting mobility to their biggest advantage. That's it It's like you want this mix of like shooting Conquerors objective hold mobility teleport spell casting like it's the most fair army because I really do believe it right now. The best version of scaven is the one that plays the most fair warhammer Yeah, it wants to play in every phase. It wants to look like a traditional army Right. It wants to have a bunch of different units doing a bunch of different things yep Like a little bit of this a little bit of that put it all together. You get a good soup I'm having a great time with my scaven by the way, but it's like super fun. I May I can't reach them. I may have boxes of fresh scaven that just showed up in the mail Fantastic. So Jen. I'm waiting just what I need in addition to all the elves. What? Yeah, I'm waiting for those prints Uh, yeah, I have I have my request in for prints as well. You know our 3d for a 3d print request It sounds like loading right now. Uh, all right So boom last cave last chaos chose slaves to darkness You feel it. It's scary primary strat expert conquers primary bounty hunter secondary Vescalation veterans cast warriors, especially with spell ignore incredibly good Like zinge cast warriors so good So hot right now Yep Iron golems as your cheap option by the cheap alternative. By the way, just a bunch of dumb wounds on a 3f save. It's fine. They're tough enough Best non gv chaff marauder horseman or chaos knights. I'll take either for different reasons for both, right? Um, yeah, can I can we hope tom for just a moment? This isn't what the show is about Can we just like hope that chaos knights In the next edition of this book have a freaking 3f save Yeah, yeah, I mean they should I mean if here. Let's say this way If drake spawn can have a three up Yes, there was a time in this game tom in this war hammer game Yeah, when the only unit in the game that could achieve a one-up save Was knights with chaos knights basically like the only mainline unit non heroes. Yeah Yeah So there you go so, uh As you're detailing this I want to do like a side note because we've talked about the pressures of the meta. Yeah. Yeah hit me um I haven't seen anybody fielding this yet, and I think it's a mistake Okay, I'm ready. Oh, um, you were right But not for the reasons or like not for the reasons that uh At the time I was accidentally right No, just like you didn't know the future Oh, okay, but but but because of the world we're in now It is always the right choice or almost always and that's catalyst Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah, um because they are made for the world we are in This is a sub faction that can double tap with purple sun. Sure get a bonus to cast Get a bonus to cast can double tap purple sun and have a war scroll That or they have an item that auto unbites Mm-hmm So they have all of the spell casting tools To manipulate purple sun and they can have all of the immunities to endless spells Yeah, and as we said originally like this is this was my defensive cabalus, which I'll still stand behind Is that you don't have to like over invest in all that? Right. It's not like it becomes your entire strength. Right. This is just oops. Oops all cabalus stuff like That's just what is that's like it doesn't change your army composition You can do normal army composition and just be zinge and just be immune to everything Yeah, yeah Um and do all the spell casting and I have all the bonus. Yeah all the everything's And so everything that we're talking about is just really good in and in catalyst Yep, I agree. Barca ball list Um the uh, okay, so you were talking about non gv chat being horseman and castings. Correct Yep Uh best bounty hunters varangar. Yep. Yep Built in spell ignore on the scroll Yep Secondly cast knights built in mortal wound protection on the scroll. Yeah in zinge they get mortal wound protection and Uh potentially spell ignore Can I can I damage? Yeah, sure go for it. Can I throw another one out there for you? Sure chaos chariot Yeah, I really went back and forth on the chariot the the here here's why it's not my first pick Okay, so here's what I am doing. I'm going to do two units of knights Yeah, sure Okay And if I'm doing two units of knights, I'm supporting them with the carcadrack Which who's a great pick in this you know, like he's just love the carcadrack lord He's cheap enough that I'm still okay with him being around good good abilities all around. Yep. Yep. Good abilities all around For the low points of like a hundred a hundred and ten or whatever the chariot is It's a hundred points, but keep in mind Yeah, go ahead You get another unit that you can shoot across the table With run in charge Fully buffed up like a madman and plus one damage on the profile and on the charge. Remember, it's like you're rolling charge for the the stuff it Like you do your mortals based on your charge roll Yeah, yeah, I like that like I went back and forth on chariots because I've been a stan of chariots for a while as well Okay They are battle line also all the time all like just by defaults They can actually like fill up your battle line in an interesting way and obviously aren't tv ever because they're uh to chariot Um, you know, uh, yeah, I'm like i'm not bad on that. I don't mind dark oath savages Uh because their mortal wounds are in addition Okay Yep Um, so they can actually make pretty good use of bounty hunters. They were another one. I thought about getting up there Um, and they can earn themselves a five up ward Yep Which is cool if you if they're sort of non battle line and they go in there and and and are in because you don't obviously with the With all of the work I Groups whatever they're called warbands. I wonder we want to call them, right? Yeah They don't have to be battle line Right. Yeah, you can make them battle line and through the gating mechanisms that are there, but they don't have to be You can give them a different mark. You can you know, whatever, right? Yeah So you can actually control it at a pretty discrete level as to who's battle line and who's not And so like them the dark oath is charging in clearing somebody off an objective Which is very doable because you make a lot of attacks mortal kicker You know going to higher damage is great. There's a couple people in the unit by the way who are in the dark Unit who are already damaged too. So we're going to damage three Yep It's a pretty offensive unit and then if they actually clear the people off and claim the objective boom five up ward for the rest of the game Right Not bad. Yeah Yeah, I like it. Yeah Yep, Nigel we discussed purple sun back at the start of the show So don't worry. Just just watch back after you'll get the whole purple sun discussion as to why it's bent Why it's king Yeah, like matchbox 20 is on the phone with a copyright claim because purple sun is so bent. It's infringing on their most successful song Okay, so Here we go death Uh, I will never not use this picture for death if I have a choice Sure Because it's just so good. It's one of my favorite pieces of art of all time. So get used to it. It's just incredible This would be a fun diorama to do by the way. Uh, anyways Hmm Anyway, uh, this is just a random thought that passed through my mind Excuse me. I got to handle something over here Do do do do Bye-bye I don't know why this happens sometimes in our show and sometimes it doesn't happen at all But it's fine It's fine Okay, cool flesh eater courts Their primary strat is giving into the delusion because there is no other hope Their best of elation veterans are cryptors and they're bad Their best non gv chaff doesn't exist Their best bounty hunters are crypt flares sort of I guess And their worst gv is crypt ghouls their main battle line This army is in a rough spot. I literally do not know what its path to victory is right now in this So so they're best bounty hunters by the way Uh, you're wrong. Let's start there. I'm ready. Tell me I'm wrong because my dad like my son has been playing obviously Flesh eater courts and so this is something that like like I've I've thought through a little bit Terragist It's the best Sure because in in gristle gore. They're gonna be Um They're they can be battle line sure and and they will eat like Like gristle gore Terragist will do work Right, you don't go all in like you used to you don't do like four Four things or whatever I went back and forth on whether or not he was the pick instead of crypt flares. I really did Okay The on the end I picked crypt flares because they also have a shooting attack that can sometimes do something And they make a lot of attacks, but they're gonna blow up I don't disagree. I don't think the Terragist isn't gonna blow up everything in this army blows up It's all weak low armor stuff that dies At least my crypt flares with the new Are our knights and so with the new tome celestial I can heroic action them back into uh back to refill the unit Sure, if if the unit survives. Yep, if the unit survives, which is like, okay Okay Right, it's a real question Yeah, yeah, like I I just I I my final thing is I guess ally a mega gargant and hope for the best Like I don't know what this army does to win In this meta. It has to be the current weakest army as far as playing in this strat Yeah, I would agree with that Yeah, like I just yeah, I would it it is so badly positioned right now Yeah Uh, yeah, I mean that's that's the beginning and end of that night haunt Going from one of the worst to one of the best Uh primary strat expert conquerors. I submit they're the best expert conqueror strat the game Yep Yeah, okay Best glacial veterans chain rasps, especially plus a cruciator Uh Or two or two sure, it's fine I mean even one will still get them the title now You're just you're putting a hat on a hat sometimes but still I Um with two you're just laughing at crybness Yeah, like nobody nobody breaks this guys Like chain rasts are incredible. They can be put in reserve. They can pop up you have teleport options around You know, they can be boatman. They can be have a five up ward. They can be refilled in It's just to just like incredible numbers They're like Yeah, they're great. They're unreal good glacial veterans Yeah Five up five up, baby It's what it is Uh Best non-gv chaff I thought about this a lot. I gave it to hex rates Because they can act like that chaff and then if they stick around if you don't need to actually chaff them They're amazing like late game grab pieces with their like super move ability right bounty hunters is a little bit Tougher because this isn't an army that like really leans into damage But I picked hex rates and blade guys for evidence. What do you think about those two tom? Uh, I agree actually um The it's funny because I The other one that I would say if not blade guysed is I I'm still really partial to mermorn Yeah, I think that's we're gonna be here. Well mermorn and or dread side heritage, right? Like I think that both all of those are interesting because like mermorn go to damage three Um, but you just don't have enough models to actually like, you know, like you're only getting eight attacks out of four models. Um, where where Herod ins you're getting 40 attacks out of 10 models Sure Yeah, and on threes and threes and so like I I think it's a toss up between either blade guys revs or herod ins And it's going to be based on where you're at, right? Like what you're in um Like I I'm really tempted like one of the lists that I've been kicking around from Nash con is actually to do quick silver Which makes the herod ins not that yeah makes the herod ins battle line Which normally that would be a bad thing But you have the ability to completely negate that in Night haunt so you get to ignore the Yeah, I mean we should say that one of the reasons I don't play so powerfully is because they do have this Cruciator moron who's floating around negating enemy Basically effectively negating enemy bounty hunters right and and in quick silver You're gonna run These dudes are gonna be 40 attacks on each Like and it's gonna regularly gonna you're gonna be threes and threes Rend however much rend you give them from purple sun and everything else sure and um And they're damaged too You know, yeah, yeah as a as a bunny and they're ignoring uh word saves Sure. Yeah. Yeah, so like it's not it's not nothing You're you're absolutely right that ignore word saves in in quick silver is an interesting kicker It really is like it's something that like Um, I've thought long and hard about my alt list being like the anti-nerval just Eating eating word saves or you know, somebody running like, um, yeah. Anyways, yeah, because like like things will just explode Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like even even if they're on one damage You put them into like blightlords or something you think about that kind of profile Once you cut their word save out, they're still doing incredible damage to units like that Right. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm kicking around doing So I say that to say like I think that um Um Because I think heritons actually have a really interesting role as bounty hunters. Sure. I could see that. Absolutely so Worst gv is grim gas reapers, uh for me Uh, just because they Get lifted too easily for what they're doing versus their cost like basically it's the it's the cost plus what are they doing? Ratio here that just doesn't work for me For grim gas. I don't think they're like terrible. Don't get me wrong. Um, I just think they're the worst of of the sort of gvs Um Summary knight on I think are extremely well positioned in this meta. They have some of the toughest expert conquerors extreme mobility heavy penalties Right incredible heroes with even powerful abilities and they can power out endless spells like they can power out their own sun Pretty good Well, no, they can do it automatically Uh, sure. I don't even like let's not even necessarily say that Right. No, but what I'm saying is they have the ability to let them just straight power it out Totally agree. But that that that might be more commitment than you want. You could also just have that's an item I know that's an item. I know it's an item, but that might be an item slot You want to be using for something else even just reichner who is going to often end up in a lot of lists Yeah, being such a powerful caster is is good, right? Yeah. So like my point is yeah, they got multiple options to do it Right, you might have your items dedicated because of other things, but but sure like I'm not saying you're wrong at all That item is fantastic Okay Yeah, I'm just saying that like Also reichner is great too Right because he's versatile. He does a lot of things Right Uh, so yeah, I mean like knight on are just so well positioned here in so many different ways Yeah, I just I love them so much right now. Sure. Yeah, it's a it's a strong army right right now for sure for sure, uh Yeah, I I understand what you're saying room. I I do I'm not Claiming it's as good for the purpose of forcing out a purple sun I'm saying reichner is quite a versatile piece that you might include anyways So if your artifacts are prededicated like reichner is doing more I'm not basing his value solely on he can cast endless purple sun well, right, right? No, reichner is just a wonderful utility piece, which is the key like he he can be where he needs to be He's mobile. He does. He's damaging enough He's like, you know, he's a good caster. He can if he needs to randomly He could stuff a candle to just kill somebody at random if they had a wound left, right? Like he's just a very versatile piece, right? Yes. Yes. Um, I'm a huge reichner stan Like I wouldn't put a knight on army on the table without reichner That's my that's my take That's so funny. That makes two of us and yet so many people don't run reichner That's fascinating to me. So there you go Yeah, uh, chris h. Tom. Do you think reinforced units of mere mourns are worth it now to eat purple suns? I don't know Is the okay, that's a fair I like like legitimately. I don't know. Um I The problem is is it's still only eight models for like 210 points. Sure And it's still very fragile like if if they were two wound models Sure No, but but like that that's not like unruly, right? I mean if they were a completely different scroll Yeah, I understand what you're saying like sometimes they move from one word to two, but they're not no But it's 105 points for four wounds and that's a challenge to me. This has always been the thing I hate about bands. Yes. Yes, they're just so fragile in that sense Because like incidental mortal wounds that splash around Which is why which is why he's asking about a reinforced unit like as a reinforced unit It's a it's a really interesting tool, right? Um The answer is I don't know I think that it's solid and and I would consider it Um, I would consider it. Okay. That's it. That's a perfectly fair answer All right, let's keep moving Ossiarch Bone Repas OBR Uh expert conquerors primary, I guess a little bit of bounty hunters Your best Galatian veterans uh more tech guard because they're pretty tough and hard to kill and can be refilled and stuff Uh, your best non-gv chaff I put here weekly death writers like weekly not not every week like very weekly is these guys They're so expensive for what this is like that's way too expensive chaff, right? But that should be doing other things, but whatever. Here we are Your best bounty hunters, uh, necropolis stalkers now with their new Sort of capabilities. I think the robless stalkers are sweet. You take them as battle line or not, but I think they're cool I think they're cool Your worst gv is a mortis guard in the same in the same flip when it's battle line, obviously They're terrible. They've always been terrible. They're still terrible. I mean, look OBR is in a rough position, right? They're they're still lacking many of the tools that will bring them victory. They have outdated mechanics As I said here. Hey, at least they're immune to bow shock. I guess something Yeah, there you go Like I I don't know what to do with Ossiarch Bone Reapers. It's it's I don't know that I don't think it's flesh eater courts bad. I honestly think they're in a better position than flesh eaters, but just so Yeah, right Like it's not like these guys could have a nice punch up over like who's the who's in the worst position Yeah, thing okay soul blight grave lords Uh primary strat expert conquers bounty hunter secondary one of the but but equal secondary So like I think this is a good army to go both with Vescalation veterans zombies and expert conquerors just ramp them up have a whole bunch of them get get units Maybe they can be 40. Maybe you can have a 60 whatever. I don't know just have a bunch of zombies. They come back They're great You get a lot of them. They refill themselves They do yeah, they pile in from six inches, you know, look things make them explode Okay, like yeah, like that's in My pushback. It's just simply that they like literally detonate um And the thing you didn't need in this world Is zombies being lifted faster Look, I don't disagree with that. Okay, like as a as a as a soul blight player That being said it what I like about it is you can still flood the board with a crap ton of zombie bodies And when they're in ec They really really really have to be paid attention to And it's not like you invested that much points into these guys like they're still, you know, the second best sort of body ratio Yep Or point wound ratio. Sorry and like it makes your opponent Fight stupid crap They have to lift them. Yes, you have to lift them You don't you have to commit to them and lift them. Yes. Yeah I mean, it's I I just think they're an interesting choice in there. Okay, I agree with that. Yeah Now part of the thing is I think that you can use them effectively Because you do have actually quite good non-gv chaff All right. Yes, everybody. I know I know Zombies just melt. We all understand that Okay, I get it. Yeah But it's their versatility that I like And and look if somebody wants to fight me. I'm cool with it. I love I like the different opinions because I like I would love to see the experimentation on this and know which one cream where the cream Rises to the top. This is my pick, but I can totally see the defense of the other direction. I really can Yeah, it's like I'm not gonna die on this hill Black Knights are incredible non-gv. Jeff. They are. Yeah, again cheap good Bodies that are there, right? Totally agree Best bounty hunters blood knights I just think they're killer in bounty hunters I just think they wreck Like they lifted before it's hard to tie them down. They can just walk away from things Yeah, and you can make them On a one plus unrendable save They're they're pretty good Uh, oh my good saying that just makes me want to say it more the cream all right, so Uh death rattle worst gv. I picked death rattle skeletons Which there are some people in our chat who are going to be very angry about that They want to flip it. They want to flip it tom. They want death rattle up at the top zombies down at the bottom I I like death rattle as a because because you're going to get half of them back when you activate Yeah, I get that my fear is they won't ever get to activate under under a double damage world Maybe maybe I mean they're going to be at a six up after six up reroll ones For the ward save like assuming it let their armor gets rendered off. Yeah, sure Um, yeah, I would put bounty hunter or blood knights by the way as as one of the like again They would be another one of my probably top five bounty hunters in the game. I just think they're I I agree with that. I agree with that um so Yeah, I I think the argument between zombies and death rattle skeletons is going to continue This is my pick but but certainly yours might be the the opposite direction Yeah, I think the problem with skeletons is you can't get them in blocks of 60 like you can with zombies I think that that's that's the point that you have going for you Vince Hey, I mean Again, we'll see we'll see what that we'll see how it works out. Uh Okay, uh Mike coming in with var guys do three damage with exploding sixes and bounty hunters Yeah, I suppose sure I suppose Um, either way, here's what I'll say. I think the summary for me with soul blight is I do think it's a very competitive Uh, army and they have lots of tools lots of they have lots of tools I think that they can easily make use of both battalions having mass amounts of bodies in ec Whichever one you like by the way skeletons or zombies don't care like pick your pick your thing. Yeah, yeah Um, you know what you're you're absolutely right robert. I that one we're in agreement on I should have also said graveyard in bounty No, I agree great credit card are fine in as bounty hunters. They just they don't move fast fast enough for me But I think that they're valuable like when they get in the mix, they're gonna throw damage I completely agree with you robert on that one that one. We are aligned on I do think Uh, I do think that Good bounty like graveyard are also awesome bounty hunters. Yeah Totally agree. No no pushback on that whatsoever. You're absolutely right. They should be in there. Yeah Um But yeah, like so they can they can have a bunch of bodies in ec to threaten hold points Including keeping them reserve returning them blah blah blah They can have hard hitting bounty hunter to come over the top and counterpunch. They can chaff they can Uh, didn't even mention things like stupid fell bats or whatever to chaff because you know, like black knights cover more space But yeah, like you can you can really have this sort of successive layers play working in both battalions that uh That that can just like be a very very very versatile force I think soul blighter are good. They're they're like They are In my mind the discussion of death is completely bifurcated Okay In the knight haunt and soul blight are both good competitive You know Play well in the current meta and and can you can have success? Right Maybe I don't know which one's better. I'd probably say knight haunts a little stronger right now But still good like soul blight if they're missing it It's like again just buy a hair right and then flesh eaters and obr just like down at the bottom It's just like this In the world of death right now Half of negash's legions are uh are not doing so well here Yeah, okay Uh Romulan what rises to the top the cream. All right, so very good uh destruction Finally we saved the best for last Let's do this Destruction tom. Are you excited about destruction? That this is the energy I was looking for tom your general blank face. Okay, it's it's it's pretty late No, uh, yes, I am because uh, I think that uh, I think gets have some hot picks. Okay. Awesome. Well, let's get into it. Gloomspite gets All right, first of all don't forget go watch Uh, stewart do go watch the iron guttsman's video. It's linked down below. He deep dives in a way that I can't hear Uh on on Gloomspite gets and and sort of all ways to lean into all the strats My pick is expert conquers slash bounty hunters as a minor secondary Vescalation veterans stabbas rock trolls Yeah, I understand they're like rock guts. I don't care. I'm calling them rock trolls Yeah, okay Stabbas for just like mass bodies and dumb idiots Right who are gonna who are gonna die, but I don't care Rock trolls because they're tough. They have a ward save they get plus one to save now in the light of the moon Great It's great and they can still like toss rocks and do mortal wounds and stuff best non-gv chaff spider writers Welcome back, baby spider writers I'm in for them They got big long bases. They can mortal out of five and six kind of easy now Yep, yep The cheap cheap it kind of shoot they can shoot not that you're going to do any wounds But maybe you throw some damage. Who knows doesn't matter Yeah, like they're they're high movement Yep spider writers the age of the spider writers come As as completely throw away but but often useful chaff Yeah, okay Best bounty hunters boingrott bounders and rock trolls Tom I think it's the boingrott the age of the boingrott has come tom. It's finally here. It's here. It's here Back when we did the show I thought we were this is like one of our worst calls in history was saying that boingrott bounders were too good for their Points, boy Do we have to eat curl on that one because we didn't understand the keyword bingo just how bad it would be right? Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, but The age of the boingrott's here, baby. I'm in for these guys now. I'm in so hard for these guys in bounty hunters Yeah And then rock trolls are good. I mean rock trolls are good in both roles. Yeah Spider writers too expensive for chaff man. What what's your what's your line for chaff here? 100 points. These guys are 100 points. That's pretty reasonable That is the definition of chaff in the I mean there's almost no units in this game under 100 now Just a heads up like go do a survey of the ghp Almost nothing uh Like I mean I'm just saying like I was praising Uh hell striders. They're like 135 points and I'm saying they're some of the best chaff in the game So I'm definitely on spider writers at 100 Right that mortal that mortal on fives On their 10 10 by the tax. Yeah, no, is it five by the tax 10 by the tax. They have one Is it one? I think so. I don't know. It doesn't matter who cares. Whatever irrelevant. They're good. It doesn't matter They're gonna die easily who cares so you can look it up Worst gv. Let's keep going. Here we go. You ready? Yeah, battle line squig herd Oh Yeah, I know But that unit is not Good, like if battle line boy. Oh boy Boy. Oh boy. Oh boy. Yep Have a good night Ramon. Absolutely. Go take care of your kids Uh, no, there's there's uh, two bites two bang bites on those fighters and one one stabby pokey Yeah, so 10 10 10 attacks mortalling on fives often That's great. Good. Good chaff. All right. Here's my summary for gloom spite gloom spite have been down so long They don't know what up looks like. Okay Sure that being said The new changes to the shrine and easier access to casting bonuses to casting bonuses Does give them some more play and bounty hunter boingrots are a quality unit Just saying it's quality points The other one that I would uh suggest checking out Let me check. I want to make sure that this is true. Mm-hmm. I'm ready Uh Just getting nevermind Okay, continue on no problem Yes, that's gloom spite. Like I said, go watch, uh, the iron guttsman's video. It's like I said, it's linked down below I really do think he makes some good arguments for kind of how to construct the armies with the different units To really play into all those strats and what you're going for Like he has a sort of timmy johnny spike breakdown as to I really like his his The way he breaks things down as usual The iron guttsman is a scholar and a gentleman Okay ogre mawtribes primary strat bounty hunters pretty pretty squarely sitting in that point Bascolation veterans Glutons in 12 plus Because then you still get to count as 24 Okay But you got just it's just meat. It's just like you hope your meat is enough to outmeet them It's not It's not Best doesn't always mean good overall in the game But you hope it's good enough It is a lot of meat Uh, you know, I mean 12 of them are you know, 48 wounds. It's a lot of wounds It's cool Best non-gv chaff frost sabers 55 points for two little dudes They don't they're only about a line if you if you put them in with the hunter general Best bounty hunters gluttons iron guts beast riders Like the the you know, the various inside of battle line. Yeah, or not beast hunters. Yeah Uh worst gv yetis When they uh, when they go battle line because they'll just die instantly Yep, uh neg wanted to hit it ain't gonna save them Nope You know, I said ogres are still very hungry for victory and they're generally low saves aren't going to help them in this meta Everything except your big monster trucks and mournfang are getting slapped for double damage Uh, but you can hit back and have pseudo ec by default allowing you to play both sides You know, I think that this army loses so hard to like sylvaneth. It's not even funny Like yeah, is it just can't catch up on that? Right, it's just like an auto counter and if you do if you happen to get near them And they have a tree guy and they just make you fight last and then slap you with all their double damage dealing Yeah, your units just explode Uh Oh stop it the kraken. That's not true at all. That's that hurts my soul. I wish that was true I wish managers had any place in the discussion ever so but yeah So I uh bar tech said the best gv is frost sabers with the hunter general since they dropped down I could see that argument because at least then they're off table. Honestly, I could see that argument bar tech. Yeah Amazing Uh Yeah Marcus says winner for worst model and worst gv in the ogre range go see yetis. I do not disagree with that at all Okay, that's why we have a 3d resin printer. Yeah, sure auric war clans primary strat bounty hunters obviously Vescalation veterans brutes because they knock other weeders off of their the points Yeah, and then hobgrats if you're in that world because uh They can be they can they're just cheap cheap nonsense there to die. Yeah again. It's just cheap nothing Okay, uh best non-gv chaff hobgrats Ard boys hobgrats when they aren't battle line just being dum-dums out there to be in the way and then our boys um Even though they are Galatian veterans I know so I'm breaking my own rules But I had to pick you are from iron jaws and that the problem is so much of their army is just automatically battle line Yep, I am aware everybody that they are battle line best bounty hunters pigs and big stab us Big stab us big stab us baby. They're back because now they got the sixes or double taps Back in the mix Uh, big stab us are amazing in bounty hunters Uh pigs are absolutely off the charts incredible Super mobility easily shoot to damage three Wild quality on pigs. Yeah, like They explode things call the wall. They jump rend. It's just It's silly. It's silly talk. It is silly talk Worst gv gut rip is Still overpriced Still on like a base five up save. They're not getting there. They're just gonna. No, they're not doing the work They're just gonna die as gv Yep so um But the hero or says gut rippers are amazing bounty hunters two mortal wounds on a five plus I just don't buy it I don't buy it because part of bounty hunters isn't just your ability to do damage It's your ability to like deliver that damage and or live Right, right just having good damage isn't enough And and I just think gut rippers are just way too fragile to be anything in bounty hunters Yep Like pigs are relatively tough. They're wound to point ratio is still very solid On a four up save and they're so fast. They can just be like Just on the other side of the world and then come screaming in and slap you All right. Yeah How do pigs compare to blood knights for the top slot? I don't know they would be in my top five Like pigs would be up there with blood knights in my top five Yeah Um, the it's the mobility on them is so wild So it's it's hard to rate Um, you know never mind the fact that you can off turn charge Yeah, right like So Yep Yeah, you know rend three three damage pigs coming in from more than 24 inches away sometimes or something Is just a very hard unit to deal with Yep It is Okay, sun's a bad month Oh, sorry. I didn't do my summary for orcs Uh, call the wall boys. It's on there's my summary like it is on it's on like donkey kong You are built for this like iron jaws are great. Uh, and right now with the changes, honestly, um I can't believe i'm saying this but the the savage boys are back in the mix too Uh, it's really just Uh It's really just cruel boys That are missing out like I I think cruel boys have the least play Um, they got they got even though nobody bothered to write any rules For all the savage orcs, they're right back They're right back in the mix. You can't keep them down They just wad and charged right back into the mix Okay Sorry sun's a bad month Primary strat survive Baskillation veterans none Best non-gv chaff none. They don't have these things. This doesn't exist in this army Best bounty hunters. They're only one man crushers worst gv none They don't have any nice Suns largely doesn't get to play in this new meta like like Coradron overlords. They're just not This isn't all of these rules are just Square peg round hole Okay you know You know But that being said in a world of like two megas and bosses the stomp and stomper tribe with two by three babies in bounty hunter It's not bad. Just bet it all on damage right like in Stomper tribe Your little babies they're into and you know going into a glacial veteran unit They're club attacks that they make 10 of go three to go to three damage against like the The basic stuff in four damage against a big unit Right That's a lot of damage on 10 attacks a lot of damage that unit makes 30 of those attacks tom That's 34 damage attacks Yes, please like it's a lot of damage Yeah, so like if they get near enemy glacial veterans, they will destroy them Yep So, you know, it's not a bad combo. By the way, I would point out that in that world you could easily be three drop So you're still play you can still play the drop game here, too. Yeah. Yeah So not bad All right overall Let's summarize this and then call it a day Uh, okay So summary One slide boom Tom here's my summaries tell me which thing and yeah coach i'm stomper tribe forever. I've been stomper tribe the whole time I'm still stomper. Yeah. Yeah Our time has come new book win, okay bounty hunters ascendant There are a lot more armies with bounty hunters as the primary strat that expert conquers Like when we went through those tom There's not a lot of shooting primary strat. There's not a lot of expert conquerors primary strat. It's it's bounty hunters hard It's the hammer meta. Yep. Yep. Yep, and it's been the hammer meta It just got worse right right Endangered list gvs like lots of armies are going to seek to minimize their gvs in the army if they if they can Uh, if they can't either flood the board with them. So they just have like too many to deal with Yeah, uh, or or you know, have them be incredibly tough just to minimize the damage, right? You'll see people with like absolute minimum zero to one to maybe two gvs Like tight tight control of that thing. Yeah Because it's such a risk There's gonna be a lot of bounty hunters out there looking for for bounties to hunt and not enough bounties to go after Yeah, right like I've already had games where everybody was trying to minimize Their gv so heavily that our bounty hunter ability basically never triggered Wow, wow Because it just wasn't around like the opponent had only Uh um tree revenant Wow gvs right and my only gvs were Uh gutter runners that were off the table and would come in and be annoying and then jump in a teleport hole insane Right, so there's just like all of our bounty hunters are just running around like looking for something to kill and there's just nothing there The sun also rises Uh purple sun is so powerful that it can singlehandedly warp the whole meta around it It makes playing expensive god monster heroes 300 points a dicey proposition. Just like I said at the beginning of the show Yep Which means tough and elite Right like on balance on average Right the units that will shine are the units that are tough elite And can lose a model like units that come in like two and reinforced four or three and reinforced six And can do a lot of heavy lifting. There's plenty of exceptions to that Okay, like five ten and protectors we mentioned earlier or something You know like there there are things out there that are going to be exceptions to that Of course, you mentioned like the ten pack of um your stabby girls Yeah, the head side heritans In knight haunt right that's a good exception like there there are exceptions around I'm just saying like if you took the whole thing dumped it together and got what the average was It would be that kind of like elite thing. They don't mind losing a model purple sun. They can withstand that and still be effective often Yep, they hit hard. They make lots of attacks. They benefit highly from bounty hunters They're rarely bounty hunter. They're the rarely Galatian veterans themselves or can control their access to that thing Because they're often optional battle line right Yeah, and Yeah, so like that's the meta to me Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's that's what it looks like. Yep on average Yep Yeah, there you go Anything I missed tom No, I think that that's a pretty good descriptor like it's funny because Like it makes me want to I know this is kind of like a sidehand commentary Like we're talking about competitive, but I think some formats like what Nash con does With their two list format I think that type of format would really shine in this type of ghb Where there's so many moving parts And like counters and hard counters it accentuates the two list format. Um And so I just wish that uh, I wish that More events did stuff like that is what I would say. I agree. Yeah All right, folks. Well, that's the end. There we go. We did it. 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