 Maen nhw'r tîr yw Mr Alex White. Fylltu'n siŵr ymrŵr, i fynd yn cael gallu gwahanol ar gaelonniol. Mae'n gwneud i ddweud am ddesgol i gaelonniol ac rwy'n gwaith ar hyn i gael ditch. Mae ymddi'n fwyaf, Alex. Saughe y gallach ni'n gwirioneddau I momentu gweld y cyfrifio yn fwylltio'r cerddol, byddwn i'r aden chi'n ddulliant i amgwrs ffordd. Ac, yna'r ffordd, roeddwn i'n gweld y cyfrifio, yn ystod i gwasanaethau fel rhywbeth, ond unrhyw i'r hawdd deilig, ond ride'r cyfrifio wedi'u llawer, ond rwy'n meineud. Mae'n rhaid gyda'r eich jôl. Mae'n rhaid dy'n rhaid i'r FFAX ond o gyfrifio o'r siwethe feld, drewd pan yna'r FFAX. carriage is weighted into the future. I have heard Richard Minister earlier on, reflecting on his role, and really even in the short few years since I was doing the job he is work now, I think there has been an enormous change. It has been a very encouraging change in the context I want to address. That is the preparedness of public opinion to engage with the subjects. width example of information the standard of debates is not always brilliant but it's a lot better than was 3- 5 ers ago. And in this country of course we are coming out then of a very coming out of a very severe economic crisis. Nobody really wanted to talk about anything else apart from tidying and sorting out the dreadful banking collapse that we had and the economic and the consequences that collapse have for so many people's sydd wedi'i gweithio'r bwysig aethau. A dyna'r context yn gweithio. Ac yn gweithio'r cyfnod yma, i'r iawn i'r Gweithio'r Seilfa yn y Cymru, rydych chi'n gweithio'r cysylltiadau o'r record am yr emisiadau, wedi bod yn ni'n cael ei fod yn gweithio. A dyna'r cyfrifio'r problemau arall i'r bywyd yn y gallu cyd-gweithio. yn yr hyn ar y dweud, ac rwyf wedi'i fyddai'n holl o'r ddod, y myfyrdd economiaid, y cyfnod cyfrifolau cymaint, y cyfnod agorod yn agorod bod yn fyddai'r ffordd, a'r ddod o'ch gyfrifol sy'n meddwl yw hynny i'ch nadol eisiau cyfrifol sy'n cael ei ddod o'r hyfforddiol ymgyrch. Mae'n dod o'r hyfforddiol, ond mae'n gyd-dydig yn gwybod, if we want to just put ourselves in the picture of where we are. Each of those components I think that he touched on is true. But how do we actually make the progress, and more importantly from my perspective, how do we take advantage of the evolving, the encouraging public opinion that's there and actually take it on to a new level? And I've said before that I think that the citizens assembly that we had in this country that dealt with the issue of climate change had an enormous impact. A gallwch chi'n ffordd ar y ddechrau, os ydych chi'n gofynu'r rhai, yn effeithio yn ddechrau, yn ddigon i'r ddweud i hebwaith dioledurau dioledurau dioledurau a byddwch chi'n gweithio'r ddechrau o hefyd o'r ddinhyf yn cael ei phobl yn y parlymant. Felly, mae'r ddweud o'r ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddefnyddio ac mae'r ddweud o ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud. Ond y gwaith yng nghymru yng Nghymru yw'r gweithio'r gweithio, ac mae'n gwneud o'r cyfrifiadau ymdweithio'r ddau o'r cyfrifiadau sy'n cyfrifiadau. Mae'r ffotans, mae'r ffotans, mae'r ffotans, mae'n gwneud. Mae'r ffotans yn gweithio'r cyfrifiadau. A'n mynd i'n mynd i'n gweithio'r cyfrifiadau ar y system ymgyrch. Ond rwy'n meddwl am ymdweithio'r cyfrifiadau a'r cyfrifiadau yn 2015 yn y cyfrifiadau. Mae'r mwy harfodd sy'n cyfrifiadau sydd cyfrifiadau byddur oherwydd'n warned Circle Fathau'r? Mae byddw'n meddwl nad yw'n meddwl gan adull, y gen i'r cyfrifiadau a dysgu yn provided ar gyfan o gymssistio'r caer darlo. Reoli'r newydd, fydar. Ond dweud marveli sy'n crefu llawer eich cyfrifiadau eithan sy'n gyrfaith â bobl n、 â i riderrioshno, i'rendernau dda licio mwy ar blod incredible. ar y cyfnodd ar gyfer o'r drefnogi. Mae'n cael ei ddod o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o bobl, bo'r eu meddwlion oherwydd mae'n meddwlion i'r ddweud, yn fwy o'r rhan o'r ddweud o'r ddweudio'r ddweud. Felly mae'n mewn gwneud, mae'n fyddill i'u ei wneud i'r ddweudio, felly mae'n meddwlion i'r ddweudio. Mae'n meddwlion i ddweudio'r ddweud. Ond mae'n meddwlion i'r ddweudio i'r ddweud. Estized to listen to people like we have in the panel's today and to ask them questions, debate those issues, understand them a lot better and then come up with an absolutely terrific report that then motivated the political system to move forward in a really rapid way in the in the more recent period. So I'm interested in how do we mobilise public opinion based on that kind of a model and I'm really delighted that the Climate Action Plan does talk about a new, a new model of citizen engagement is something that we tried to push when we were doing that by paper. How do we deepen that sense of engagement? We had a process in this country and I'm very interested in Denmark because I always think Denmark is a sort of a negotiated economy and a negotiated society and things maybe happen frustratingly slowly sometimes in Denmark but they happen because they believe in reaching, as I understand it, and I was there as a minister and I was there as a student more years ago than I care to remember. I very much admire Denmark and what they've achieved but the broader political context, and thank you for saying that, it's not just a technical technocratic question, it's also the broader political context and politicians respond to public opinion. So we need to work on can we deepen this even more, this level of public engagement and we had social dialogue in this country on pay issues, conditions and employment, up to about six, seven years ago and it sort of collapsed around the time of the economic collapse. And Ibeg, which is our employer's body, have advocated very, very clearly in their statement earlier this year that we should have a return to social dialogue to address this issue. You might be surprised that that demand has come from the employer's side, that we should restore social dialogue and I think they're right about that because until we have this ongoing engagement between business, as you said business, workers who may lose their jobs or may have to think about new ways of earning a living frankly, we think of the pit stations, we think of money point, all of the changes that are coming that have to come, we need to have this consensus and I also think that political parties have to really, you know, up their game in terms of their understanding of this question. It's often said to me again and I don't excuse my own party but I'm sure other parties are not much different. There's a language issue even, if you take the word environment or the notion of the environment, people often say to me, I remember when I was running the European elections, the environment is very important Alex, very very important and we really in this party, I'm in the Labour party right, we need to increase, the environment is very important and Greens are doing very well, we need to be better on that issue of the environment. Now that of course is true but it totally understates the problem, the issue. It isn't just a question about the environment, it's a question about the economy. The adjustments that we need to make are of such magnitude that if our economy is right across the world, on one view, should be unrecognisable in ten years time if we're to do the right thing. It's a complete economic adjustment, not just a kind of a let's do more for the environment quote on quote. So I think that's another structure within government. I mean, okay, I'm not answering to anybody today so I can say, and I know we're on the record, I can say what I feel is right. We have two agriculture departments in this country, two rural departments, Department of Agriculture, Department of Rural and Community Affairs, I forgot the exact title, we have a Department of Transport. In a sector that's heavily regulated anyway, the minister for transport should be the minister for decarbonising transport. The minister for agriculture should be the minister for the reform of agriculture in the context of climate change. You know, these are big issues for how we structure. I look at the European Union, Franz Termemans for whom I've huge admiration. He's now been asked to deal with the Green New Deal, which is fantastic. And there's nobody better that could be, I think that could be doing that. I would say that, wouldn't I? But then I look at some of the other decisions in relation to the other commissioner positions and I wonder how is he really genuinely going to have the clout and the ability, I know he's very senior, to reach into all of the elements of the economies right across Europe in order to bring about real change. This silo thing again, you see it in government here, you even see it in the commission. So structures of government, structures of governments, we have to actually address all of those things. And the final point I would just make, you know, the new model of social engagement, call it what you want, social dialogue, changing our structures of government, political parties waking up to the sheer magnitude of this. But the language needs to be a language of opportunity. We've come out of a crisis, an economic crisis of ten years. Everybody's writing about populism. Everybody's worried about populism, rightly so, in terms of many of the decisions that maybe were made during the crash, all of the austerity, all of that debate and so on. For me, this is an opportunity to rehabilitate the state, to rehabilitate the great progressive opportunity that the state is in my mind and the state can be. It's also an opportunity, frankly, to rehabilitate the European Union, to give leadership on these questions, so that we, you know, don't go back to this notion of getting, you know, let's get the state out of our lives, let's get rid of regulation, red tape, all of that sort of narrative that's always there. Stand up for a strong state, stand up for a strong commission, strong European Union, and stand up for a real green, new deal, a real green new deal that can actually bring about change right across the world. Thank you very much.