 Hi, this is Debbie Daschinger, welcome to Dare to Dream. And just feeling like the shift this morning, I was interviewed on a national radio show, and here I am interviewing somebody else. And one of the questions that I was asked is, you know, 12 years doing this, why? And it's a good reflective thought because the why is I have grown so much from doing the show, have been so fortunate, the people who have said yes to be guests, and come here with the issues that they had to get where they are today and be so transparent, as well as the gifts that they came to share with us, that they are so willing to risk pulling back the curtain and saying, here, this is the message I came to deliver. This is what I had to go through to deliver it to you. And I love that, because I learned so much from people about what's possible and how big we can go and how transformational we can be. So just to speak of the ability, I'm about to unleash unto the world the revamped program that I've done, which today is gonna be called the Ultimate Visibility Program. It's opening this week. I'm so excited by who's in the class. If you wanna know how to be interviewed on radio and podcast, and book yourself on shows within 60 days, even if you don't have a list of the podcast shows or have any prior publicity knowledge, I'm gonna get you there in six weeks. You can go to debbyd.net slash visibility at debbid.net slash visibility and learn more there. And the thought for today is really about changing our personal reality. It's really where I'm sitting right now, because starting place for transforming reality is us, right? It's not an impersonal experience. It's not a concept. It is personal, actually. How we see it, how we relate to it. It's a product of our unique history, of our attitudes, of our beliefs, because we are unique, how we see the world and the reality we choose to experience. So the core of our awareness really is the source of our beliefs, our feelings, our attitudes. And that's the place from which we can go forth and change our personal reality. Inner awareness. That's the ever-present field of possibilities. So we always have possibility. We always have choice. What are you gonna choose at any moment? What are you gonna choose right now? Gratitude, gratitude is a practice that brings us grace. Gratitude empowers us choices to see the opportunities that are actually here already. However, it gives us fresh eyes. Remember, your personal reality begins within you. My thankful heart will find in every moment some heavenly blessings, is a quote from Henry Ward Beecher. Today, I have the great honor to have Daniel Gutierrez here. It's actually his second time on the show, but it's been forever. So this is gonna be a major catch-up even though he and I know each other is outside of the show. But for you guys, a catch-up on all he's becoming his doing today and what he's been through, he's a very sought-after motivational speaker. He was featured in the documentary, Luminous World Views, as one of the world-renowned thought leaders. He's appeared at Carnegie Hall in New York City to a sold-out crowd. Bestselling author, recently released his fifth book, Radical Mindfulness. And this is a man who has stepped into leading people. On spiritual retreats to Machu Picchu, the Amazon, the top of the Himalayas, and he guides entrepreneurs and corporate executives in deep dive mindfulness immersions. You can find out more about one of these top 100 Hispanic in America gentlemen, Daniel Gutierrez, at his website, DanielGutierrez.com. Daniel, welcome back to Dare to Dream. So excited to be back. It's been a while, right? A few years? Yes, sir. It had been on air for 12, so I'm assuming it's probably been seven or eight years. Five to eight years, yeah, wow. So I'm not going to dare to ask you to recap the eight years, but I know, right? That would be great, great. In the conversation, this is so gonna come out where you are. You know what, honestly, even the way you're dressed right now, because you would have come once upon a time on the corporate attire. The suit is fine, the whole thing, yeah. You are being you right now. Yeah. So let's start there, like what is the discovery that you made that took you from where you were operating, which was fine for the time? Sure. It took you through a journey to have more willingness to show yourself to the world, to be yourself out in the world. Yeah, well, you know, one of those moments where I had this kind of this well, for lack of better terms, like an awakening, like I was in a restaurant, a posh membership-only restaurant in New York City, in Manhattan, on Fifth Avenue, and I remember sitting there in this big leather chair and my custom-made suit and outsharpings to the left of me and the football players to the right of me. I'm thinking I am the shit, right? I'm just like, I have arrived, people. And I'm sitting there looking out the window and it's snowing, these big, like toilet paper sized snowflakes. I mean, it was the sexiest thing I've ever experienced. And then in a second, like I hear this voice and it says, who are you? And what values did you sell to be who you are today? And it was like, what? I can't even enjoy my $250 shot of cognac without some voice in my head going, who are you? And it really shocked me, Debbie, it shocked me because for all practical purposes where I was at was successful. Or the fact that I was in that restaurant and a private restaurant, at the time I was president of a huge organization in New York City, I was an advisor to the Department of White House personnel, my speaking career was doing absolutely wonderful, had no reason to have a question like that pop up. But the truth is, as I look back, I was miserable. I was miserable, yeah. I mean, flying to New York, I mean, people think they're flying to New York from LA sexy, I would take an overnight flight, get to New York at six in the morning, and I would start my meetings at eight o'clock in the morning, they would go all the way to midnight. And sometimes because I was just, I thought it was crazy to get a hotel room for three hours before I took my flight home, I would go sleep at the airport at JFK on the bench. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Right, and so I really was going, wow. So now what do I do? I get this question in my head. And so to go back a little bit, because some people don't know me, at the age of 17, I was a licensed Baptist minister. And so that's where that came from because the question was, what happened to Danny Boy? What happened to that kid back then, right? What happened to that? You know, and it wasn't that where I was at wasn't, like you said, it wasn't that wasn't successful. It's just that it was like, what did I have to do to get there? And you know what? I don't care who you are in this country or any country. If you're in leadership and top leadership, sometimes you got to look the other way to keep your position. Sometimes you have to do things you don't like doing. And I did that. And I would just like, I didn't see nothing. So tell me when you say sometimes you have to do things you don't like doing, compelling, what did you have to do? I think the way people were treated, the way people were discarded, the way that people were stepped on careers that were ruined just to get ahead. It was ridiculous. And I'm just being straight up honest. I mean, we do that. I did that, you know? And I would say, well, you know what? Do my lawyers take them down? If that's what he wants to play, then take them out. Then go for it. Well, I don't mean like kill them. I mean, like take his career. I know. I was just like, whoa, dude. No, I don't mean that. I mean, like it was brutal. It was brutal. And you know what? That's the world we live in. It's a doggy dog world, right? You know? And I wasn't proud of that, but it was the part of the game. You know, to be in that kind of power, to be in that kind of that level of success where you're really calling shots. And you know, my constituents were PepsiCo. My constituents were big companies that I was president of. So you know, we were constantly playing God with people's careers. And that's the part I didn't like. I didn't like that at all because I didn't feel that way on the inside. And so in that moment when I'm all of a sudden getting this, getting this, who are you? I didn't know. So that, Debbie, led me on a quest to the Himalayans. That led me on the quest to the Amazon. That led me to a quest to the Andes. You know, to ask these indigenous people, what is life a little about? Because they don't have anything, nothing. And yet they were happy. They had joy in their heart. And I wanted that joy. I wanted that joy. And so I went, I sought it out. I mean, you know, the way I'm dressed now, I mean, you would think that I'm a monk. But you know, I even shaved my head. Remember, I used to have hair. You know, I shaved my head in respect for the Buddhist monks, you know? And I never shaved it back. You know, I never grew it back. But, but, yeah. So what was the turning point for you? What was the pivot point? So these are very powerful questions that you're asked when you're in this posh place, and it actually stops you from enjoying your cognac and all these celebs around you. And suddenly it's saying, hey, take a look, buddy. Who have you become? Where are your values? And then there's this other voice reflecting back to the young teenage you who's a minister saying, what happened to Danny Boy? You take this on as a quest and you go out in the world and you go to these indigenous places. And what was the moment where something got awakened in you that allowed you to feel reconnected with your essence? Well, you know what? And I struggled with giving the real answer. I struggled with giving the real answer even in my book because I left out a chapter because I was afraid to tell people the truth. What woke me up? What got me to see what was there? And so I'm gonna share that because I think it's important. I was in Peru in the mountains, in front of the Patra to Sun Mountains in the Andes and I was offered plant medicine. Well, coming from, I mean, being a guy with a stick up my ass, I'm just gonna say, I mean, just straight up. You know, I had to put it that way, but I was like, what? I don't do drugs. I'm not doing this. You're crazy. You're out of your mind. I'm never gonna do that. And no, no, no, no. And then I don't know what happened, but I guess it convinced me because eventually I said, okay, what have I got to lose? What have I got to lose? I'm in Peru. What happens in Peru stays in Peru, right? So I said, sure, sure. And Debbie, I couldn't even tell the story of my life from that moment, from that place being in the chair in that restaurant without being honest about my opening, my awakening to the truth, because it was plant medicine that opened my eyes. It was that veil that was removed that, like I was like, who am I? So I asked the question, who am I? Where have I been? Who have I been? And when have I been that? Show me the truth. I wanna know. And in that moment, in that experience, wow, for those eight or nine hours that I was just being taught, like the book of life was opened up to me and the lifetimes of being a medicine man and a heart teacher and the different indigenous groups, they showed, I saw it all. I saw it all. And they were like, you came into this lifetime with that. That's why you're troubled because you're not living your truth and you need to live your truth if you really wanna be happy and the money will follow. Don't worry, don't worry about that. Trust your wisdom was the message. Trust your wisdom. You are a wise person, not because you're here, but because you've lived so much. What a tragedy if you don't live that. You have a way, what a waste if you don't live that. Yeah, and what a tragedy if you also don't give that, right? If you have that kind of knowledge within your wisdom. And that changed my life, Debbie. Oh my gosh. That was the pivot point where I went, I remember coming out of this, whatever you wanna call it, fog and going, now what? Yeah, so what? Now what? Exactly. Yeah, now what? Now I have this, now I know. It's not like I don't know. Sitting in that posh restaurant, I didn't know. Now I know. And I'm going, okay, then that's what I'll do. That's what I'll do. I'll come back. And so after many years of traveling and visiting indigenous cultures and studying and doing plant medicine and really learning to understand my gifts, you know, there was another pivot point and that was when I got a call from my sister that said, you need to come home. Because there was a point where I didn't wake up from all this travel and go, oh my God, why did I do this? Why did I walk away from this career? Why did I walk away from my income? Why did I walk away from the White House? Why did I walk away from presidency? What the hell were you thinking? That's what's going through my head. I'm in the Andes going, oh, you know, right? I'm like, what did I do? And then I got the call from my sister that said, you need to come home. You need to come home. And everything Debbie made sense to me when I got a chance to be with my mother. She was dying and I remember flying to Dallas and I told my siblings who had been taking care of her, go home, let me spend time with her alone. I'll stay here tonight and I'll take care of her. Go home and rest and let me be with her. And I remember at two o'clock in the morning, I'm sitting there looking at her and I can't sleep because I'm afraid she'd die, all these machines on her and stuff. And I'm just like looking at her and then I got the answer to that question, why? I was sitting there looking at her and I remembered what the monks taught me in the Himalayas and I remember what the Maestros taught me in the Amazon and I remember what the Pachos and the Kiro were teaching me in the Andes and they said, Daniel, be present. Be present to life, be present, so present that nothing can enter your mind but the present moment and know that and all of a sudden because I was sitting there looking at my mother going, what a horrible son. You weren't around, you never came to visit very often, you know all the humanistic stuff was coming up and you know and in that little boy in me it was going, I'm losing my mom. I'd lost my father when I was five so now I'm losing my mom. I'm like, you know, pour me, pour me, right? And then I'm looking at her and all of a sudden I remember all these lessons and then I got present, very, very present and I'm looking at her all of a sudden in my body. It was like I could feel the pain of her struggle. I could feel her lungs failing in my own body. I could feel her liver failing in my own body and before I knew it, I looked over at her and I went, I was like shocked because I was like, where did she go? All of a sudden there was just a light, just a light, that's all. And I was like, what? And then I looked at my hands and I wasn't there, it was just a light. I was both just two spirits and I looked at her and she said to me, this is the why. She said to me, many lifetimes before we entered into this human form, you made me a promise. You promised me when I needed you most, you would be here and you're here. I release you from your contract. Thank you. I was bawling, I was bawling. I was like, how can this be happening? All my life, Deb, from that moment where I was having that cognac from being a minister, all my life was so that I could be present in that moment. All of the traveling, all of the understanding, the medicine, everything that I had done was so I could experience that moment in that time. And I knew why I had done what I had done and I knew why I needed to be there for my mom at that moment so that she could say, that spirit could say, well done, well done, right? And that's where the word radical came from and the book came from, radical mindfulness because it takes the practice of mindfulness in that moment to really stay present enough to experience that. I could have been stuck in my ego or all this other stuff and I wasn't. So all that, all that stuff, all that, whatever you wanna call my life was about was for that moment, thank God I was present. Thank goodness I was able to experience that kind of connection with another spirit, with another human, you know? And so that's what brings me today to the book. It's like, oh, I had to tell a story. And Debby, I had a deal with Ed Cartoli's agent. He signed me the year before, two years before. He says, you're gonna be like this next, because you speak two languages and it's gonna be great, blah, blah, blah. And I was writing a book called Dancing in the Chaos. And I had written this synopsis and the whole thing with books and agents and all that stuff, it's like a pain in the butt. But I was doing it. I came back from that, my mom's experience and I fired him. I fired him, he was like blown away. He said, you're making a big mistake. I said, no, no, I'm writing this book for money and I can't write for money. I have to write for my heart. And I'm gonna write another book and it's not gonna have nothing to do with you. I have to tell a story about my mom and that's where radical mindfulness came from. That's how that book came out. Maybe someday I'll go back and say, hey, okay, I'll write that book now. But that's what changed my life. And that's changed my life. That changed who I was at my physiology, my physics, everything about me changed. Because I realized, okay, like they were, like the prime medicine was teaching me. Trust your wisdom. And like you said, and give it away. Give it away, teach people. Teach people that you can be powerful without being cruel. You can be powerful without ruining careers. You can be powerful without stepping on people. Try loving people, right? And I'm still doing great things. I'm working with NBC right now. I mean, I'm still doing great. Been on Carnegie Hall just last year. So it's a great thing that's still happening but you know what? I get to do it from love. Totally. I get to do it from love. And I don't do it because I have to. I do it because it changes me. It changes me to do that. And you've even been doing work with my brother. I mean, I wasn't even thinking about this. I sometimes, it's sometimes so weird. Like how you and I know each other and then you become family with my family at this point. And so you've been doing work with my brother and his wife, my best friend. Because they have something called live calm with cancer. And they have meditations out there in the world. Really powerful meditations for cancer patients and doctors and caretakers. And you've been coming in and doing the Spanish version of Spanish meditations. Another way you're giving and gifting back to the world. How has that been going? Oh my gosh, your brother is so talented as a producer. I mean, I mean, what he did, we recently did a video. We changed our strategy just a little bit. I said to him, if grandma's in the hospital, grandma doesn't understand English probably. And if the granddaughters there with her, she doesn't understand Spanish. So let's do both. Let me do both. Let me speak English and Spanish at the same time. And then they both can enjoy it together. And so we started doing the bilingual version. It's not Spanglish, right? It's actually one version in Spanish, one version in English. No, I literally would say, you know, close your eyes. I mean, at the same time, I'm speaking both languages so that both can enjoy it. So that the young generation can be with grandma and grandma can get the benefit of the meditation. And so your brother, I played the Indianian flute and he was like, bring your flute. The first time I didn't bring it. He says, why don't you bring your flute? I said, because I'm not doing that. So the second time I did bring it in the studio and wow, he's magical and there's this one video where I literally, I didn't know because I don't know production, right? I go in there and I go, how do I play the flute and do this throughout at the same time? I don't understand. I can't hold all these instruments at the same time. He's like, you both don't do that. I go, how do you do that? He goes, well, just put the headphones on, do one track at a time. I said, oh, so we got this beautiful piece that of me speaking, playing, the tambourine, everything. It's so beautiful. And I was in tears when he sent it to me because I was like, David, what a gift. What a gift to be able to use all my talents at one time and to give that way. And I'm so happy to give that way. And for him to be able to take it and make it magic and have, that's what the medicine was telling me. Trust your wisdom, trust your gifts. Like we all have them. Let your string out on your kite a little bit and trust that those talents are there for a reason. And David was able to bring them all out at one time. And it was beautiful. I don't know if you've seen the video. It's amazing. It's an amazing piece, you know? I can't wait. Oh my goodness. Thank you for sharing that. And I think it's phenomenal to hear this piece because what I know is when you're called, euphemistically, you, I, when we're called, right? That we don't know what places of discomfort we're gonna be asked to try. Right, right. And often it's things we've been doing throughout our lives and didn't think we were gonna revisit. It's happened to me where I've been asked out of nowhere somebody's found out, I say I used to be a singer because I was a professional singer until 11 years ago and made other media choices. When people, only people from my past know me as such. When people right now find out, really you're a professional singer, you're at CDs, you're in front of bands and you travel the world, yes. And they'll say sing, which for someone who has not used that muscle for 11 years is kind of like, but I'm being called. And I understand it's an opportunity and I just have to get out of the way and let it flow, right? And I love the fact that you're just following the next yes, following the energy, allowing the opportunity and the shift is happening. Yes. And then people show up, like your brother that just says, hey, you wanna come in studio, you know, and they invite me to their home and we have a great time together. And then we go down in this little place downstairs and he's got this magical room that he creates magic. And even more touching than the product is the people that get to benefit from that, you know, the loving meditations, that's what it's called, loving meditations, you know? It's beautiful. And I don't know, maybe I would have done that before. I don't think I would have had time. Not that I didn't have time, I wouldn't have considered making time to serve that way. And I gladly do it, I gladly do it because that's what we're supposed to do, like your voice, you know, we, I had no idea he was gonna ask me to do that. And I was very shy because I was like, I've never been recorded before, right? And now I'm like, wow, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I get to do that. And if people get to benefit from that. Cool, so loving meditations, folks. David Daschinger, same last name, D-A-C-I-N-G-E-R, Tamar Green, his wife, and Daniel Gutierrez. Check it out for sure. Well, when we come back, we're gonna be talking about sacred journeys and finding out all about the healing ventures that are possible. You're listening to Dare to Dream Radio and Podcast first. I wanna thank so much the sponsor of this show, Dr. Dean Heer, H-E-E-R, and Access Consciousness. 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And for the show to flourish and be sustainable best quality transformational guests for $1 on up, you can make a difference for Dare to Dream because we are the number one transformation conversation available today. And if you're just tuning in, this is Debbie Daschinger on Dare to Dream and I'm interviewing Daniel Gutierrez. You can go to his name. That's his website, danielgutierrez.com. So, oh, well, that was clearly the universe going. Hell yes, it's okay. I'm a puppy here too. It happened. So, sacred journeys. You were on your own personal sacred journey. How did this become a venture that you started sharing out in the world and offering to people to come with you on? In the beginning it was kind of an accident, honestly. I just said one day I'm going to Peru and anybody wanna go. I was joking. I was just joking on social media. Oh, I'm gonna go to Peru, anybody wanna go? And all of a sudden it was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But more importantly, I think it's important. I'm going to Bhutan in a couple of weeks. You know, I've been to Nepal. Just in a couple of months, I'll be opening up a center in Peru. Why Bhutan? How do you decide these places? They decide for me. So the story behind Bhutan is that I was a huge follower of Anthony Bourdain. And when he passed away, I was devastated. Me too. He was such a kind soul. And I understood his pain too. So it was devastating to me. So I remember flipping through the channels and I said, Anthony Bourdain's last show. And so I was like, oh, I'm gonna watch it. It was Bhutan. And I'm watching and I said, well, that's where the eagles nest is. The eagles nest is in Bhutan. I've always wanted to go to the eagles nest. It's a big monastery that hangs off the mountain. It's always in movies. It's a beautiful place. And I'm watching his show and it's crazy as he is. I mean, I'm laughing because he was just like nuts. He was just him. That's why I loved him, because he was him. And I'm watching the show and something says, you should go to Bhutan. You need to go do what he did. You need to go his same steps. And eat like hell while you go through Bhutan. Yeah, eat like hell, yeah, yeah. Well, he ate and drank like hell. But anyway, so that was a thought. Not even a week later, Debbie, I get a call from a friend. He says, I have a friend that wants to meet you. He's a film producer. I said, you know, Debbie, we get all kinds of requests. And I'm like, no, thank you. I appreciate it. And he kept at it. So finally one day just to shut him up, I said, fine, I'll talk to this guy. So I get him on Skype. Lo and behold, he says, do you want to go to Bhutan? I said, what? I said, oh, tell me about, what do you know about Bhutan? He says, well, I'm a friend of the Prince. I ride bikes with him every year. And if you want to come, then I'll have him extend an invitation for you. So I said, well, yeah, I'd love to. And so I said, well, I'll just come by myself. He said, well, you know, the Bhutan is really looking for business people to come and to look at possible investments and stuff. I said, okay, I'll bring some people. So I have four people going with me and we're going to Bhutan. That's how that came about. It's like, it chose me. I didn't choose it. I mean, what are the chances out of the blues, some guy who knows the Prince says, hey, you want to go to Bhutan? This is right after watching Anthony Bernay's show. So in a few weeks, I'll be there. We treat like royalty. We're staying in one of the Royal family homes. You know, I mean, then you can't make this stuff up, man. Yeah, it's amazing when you're a hell yes, what the universe will bring to you. And I love the idea of the constant surprise and deliciousness of it. So I'm curious when people go on these trips to you, to Peru and so forth, what is that experience? Would you take them to particular places? You have teachings or are they free to travel in Rome about the cabin? How does that work? Well, I have like an itinerary that's very fluid because people need something. They need to know what are we doing, where are we going, what hotel we staying in, blah, blah, blah. So most of my trips are to Peru. And the Andes have an energy about them that are magical. I don't have to do anything. Now, I'm a teacher, so they know that I'm teaching. But I back off and let the mountains and the land speak for itself. And people, some do medicine, some do not. They come, they have a reason to be there. The first day I asked them, we flat out, we're all seekers of something, what are you seeking? Why are you here? This is not a vacation. Why are you here? How did you get here? What did you have to do to get here? And what do you expect to get out of it besides the touristy machu Picchu? What else is here for you? Open your eyes, open your heart, and see what is here for you beyond the experience of going to Machu Picchu, which is why people go there, right? And so, I probably have been to Machu Picchu 30, 40 times. I mean, to me it's just, I love, every time I go, every time I go, it's magical, every time. Doesn't matter, it's magical. And so, I'm so happy to announce, this is the first show I've announced that I bought my own place now. I have my own center right outside of Pizac, right in the middle of the Sacred Valley. It's so beautiful, two mountains on the east side, and now what we're gonna do is I'm gonna bring people to the center, and they won't have to go move in hotels like we did before, we used to move hotels all the time. They're gonna be, I call it my home. It's named after my mother, Catalina. And I'm so excited that this summer is gonna be the first time I bring a group to my home. It happens to sleep 50, it's a big house. You know, it's got a conference center, and a yoga center, and a whole restaurant. It's got all this, it's like, it's four extra. Like you own the whole thing or you're sharing it? No, no, no, I own it, I own it. Yeah, it's my home. So how are you populating it? How are you getting people in to run the restaurant? Well, yeah, well. You know, buy things so it's beautiful and feels like a place or a center, a chair. It's, it's, I've got a whole staff. I've got people that have worked for me. And, and so right now we're like, I gotta be honest with you. Yesterday, the other day I was at Big Bear and mountains here in California, and I was a towel, I had hung a towel on the door. And so I woke up and I look at the towel and I started freaking out. How many towels do I need? I'm not saying that. I am freaking out, Debbie, I'm going. Well, if I do seven times, seven times, seven times. Ah, I don't have towels, how do I get, I was freaking out, but I have people there that are, that are like, okay, don't worry. Like the staff that used to run the hotel was a hotel before I got it. And so the, all the staff wants to come work for me. So they know the place that even, even the guy who take care of the grounds who knows how to, like I have a house there also. And I said, there's not a chimney in my house. He goes, don't worry, I'll build you one. I said, I like this guy, he's I'll build you one, don't worry, I'll build you one. These are master trades people, right? They're beautiful people. And I'm happy to employ people there in the village. It's a village, it's not a town, it's a village. I mean, you're in the mountain, right? And I'm so excited about bringing people there to really experience Peru in a different way, you know? And, and, and be honest, property, two mountains and every day, you know, one day I'll teach, one day we'll be out running around. And so it's going to be a different experience than what it has before because now, and by the way, I mean, I haven't announced this either but I'm moving to Peru. Like in 90 days, I'll be gone. Like I'm selling everything I own. I don't, I don't, nothing. Even my new car, I'm giving it to my 17-year-old son. He's like, so excited. He's like, what do you can do with your car, dad? I'm like, I'm gonna give it to you. What? What? I said, son, I didn't get a car when I was in the car. I walked. Well, so many things are happening concurrently for you. I think that's fascinating because at the same time, your son just got accepted to college, which is a really big deal. It is. And at a time when a lot of parents would be dealing with the emptiness, loneliness, and confusion over the shift, you are actually having a life change at the same time as your son. What is that like? And how does he feel about you moving to Peru? Well, you know, it's funny that you say that because two years ago, I was on a bus from Cusco, Peru to Puno to go to Lake Titicaca. It was an eight-hour bus ride. I'm on this bus ride, and all of a sudden I start crying, just bawling. And I said, he's gonna leave me. What am I gonna do? What do I do with my life? I've spent my entire 18 years raising him. And, you know, and what am I gonna do? He didn't even go to the movies with me anymore. So it wasn't like, he's just not. That's not that cool, right? So I'm like, that's when I started to make that shift. I started to think I need to start living my life because a lot of what happens with most people, they wait till they go to college and they have the empty natural thing and they're freaking out because they're like, there's nothing to do. So that's when I started making these shifts and changes and started thinking I need to do something. I need to live my life and I need to show him that I'm willing to live my life. And so, you know, when I told him that I was gonna move to Peru, he said, Dan, that's like your home, huh? I said, it is. It is home. And you need to fly. And then he says, but what do I do if I need you? And I look him in the eyes and I said, look me in the eyes. Why would you call dad? What would you really need if you called dad? And he starts to smile and I said, I can transfer that on Venmo for more, man. He starts laughing and I said, I know, son. I was your age. You're not calling me to say I love you. You're calling me to say I love you and can I have some money, right? So he's really excited about this, you know? And I said, son, I'm doing this for you because someday I won't be here anymore and you're welcome to sell it. And that's your inheritance. That's what I'm doing. I'm building it so that you have something in the future and it's something that dad feels so good about. And it feels so good about the people that will come through there and the people that I'm gonna, because the center's gonna help. I've committed to building a school up in the mountains, an elementary school for kids. You know, I wanna do good work, you know? And that's where I'm gonna do it from there. And I'll be coming back and forth. I mean, they're gonna kick me out eventually until I get a mile and pass. Ah, right. Yeah, there'll be that to deal with. Yeah, I can't stay there forever. They move on, you know, and then come back and then. So it's exciting when you step into your power. It's exciting when we accept the roles that life presents to us. Don't you think it's that we accept the roles that we actually came here to play? Yeah, yeah. And I wanna encourage young people to think about it earlier. I mean, I'm 55, you know? And I'm thinking to myself, wow, it took a long time. But I was crazy. It took a while to calm me down. I'm still crazy, but not as crazy. Let's keep it real. I wanna keep it real. I mean, as a matter of fact, I was sharing at the place where I was speaking this week and I said, you know, I look at it the crowd sometimes and I'm thinking all these people and I tell them, I'm crazy. I am crazy and I love being crazy and I'm okay with that. I said, but you must be crazier than me if you're following me. Daniel's crazy followers. That's a good thing, it's a good group to be part of. We're gonna take a quick break and we come back. We're gonna be speaking about mindfulness. What does that mean to be full of one's mind or mindfulness? Exclusively for dare to dream listeners. I've made a unique deal with Thinkific. Amazing, it's only available to my listeners. Create, market, sell your own online courses. Thinkific's powerful all in one platform makes it really easy for you to share your knowledge, grow your audience and scale the business you already love. And whether you're educating 10 students or 10 million across the world, Thinkific gives you the easiest technology and best support in the business. Go to thnk.cc slash deb. And as a Dare to Dream viewer and listener, when you use thnk.cc slash deb, you're gonna get the first three months of Thinkific's business plan free. Free to set up your online courses. So it's the only way to access that exclusive deal, thnk.cc slash deb. And if you are just tuning in, this is Debbie Daschinger, Dare to Dream. I've got the amazing Daniel Gutierrez here with me. You can find out more about him at DanielGutierrez.com. And it may sound pedestrian, but I'm curious about mindfulness, not so much about what it means out there in the world because I think we've all been inundated with that. But I really wanna know what it means to you and why at this time in your life, it was really important for you to embody that and speak about it and write about it. Right, well, the title of my book is Radical Mindfulness. And a lot of people were at first were like, oh, that's crazy, it's never gonna fly. And that even just gave me more fuel because I go, okay, okay, great. Thank you, thank you for encouraging me because I'm not gonna stop. Radical Mindfulness, mindfulness, we all know what that is, it's awareness. It's just awareness. And we see it everywhere. You're right, commercials. Everything is about mindfulness today, right? And it's great, I'm glad because it brings awareness to our world. But beyond mindfulness is the practice of mindfulness. That's what I learned. It's that radical is being able to stay in that space of awareness all day long, not just when you're doing yoga, not just when you're meditating in the morning, not just when you've taken a moment all day long. Now, is that possible? I don't know, I told you earlier, I get on a freeway. Just like you, I get upset. Next thing, you know, hands are flying. And I realized, okay, I probably shouldn't have done that. So what can I do to bring myself back to center? You know, and really mindfulness is really, for me it was important because that experience with my mother, I could have never had that experience. Had I not been so present, so radically present that I was able to experience that out of body experience that I had with her. And that's why it's important because I realized that all my life, even though I didn't know, somehow I was able to put the blinders on, where it's like, I tell people, the bills are gonna be there no matter what. But if you focus on the bills, you're never gonna do what it takes to get the job done so that they're not there. And if you focus on the bills and you go, oh, and you freak out and you panic, the only thing that's gonna be true is you're gonna get to the end of the month and nothing's gonna get paid. So how can I be so radically mindful in the moment that I realize that in this present moment, in this right here right now, I can create action that creates a better future for me. The next moment's better because I did something different. So it's beyond mindfulness, it's the action behind mindfulness. That's the action behind mindfulness. Mindfulness is awareness, but you know what, a drunk can be aware, doesn't make him any better. So how do you get beyond that? It's the action, it's the action. It's the action that we create in our life and the only place we can do it is in the present moment. And if you do that, right, and I'm gonna share it, this just happened like three, four days ago. My son, my son is 17, he's senior, been in jazz band for four years, five years, absolutely refused to do a solo, refused. You may have seen the video on Facebook, refused because he didn't think he was good enough. The other night was his last concert with this band on that stage. It's his last opportunity. And he says to me as we're going to the concert, I'm tired dad, because my son's very busy and he's Boy Scout, he's this, he's that, he does everything, you know, varsity volleyball player, he's, he's I'm tired dad. Oh, oh, he says, oh, and I'm doing a solo tonight. I said, you are. And he says, but I'm tired dad. And I said, son, just stay present. You'll be all right. Oh my gosh. Brings tears to us. When he got up there to play to him, I don't know what happened, but he transmuted himself into a famous jazz player. I don't even know where it was, but he played the whole play. He rocked the place. The two, and the reason why it was so powerful wasn't because he played powerful because the obstacles that were beside him, just next to him on the video, if you go to my face, the girl who's gone is the girl who dumped them two weeks ago. And right next to them, right next to him are two of the best sax players on, like they're going to school for music. My son's not. So he had to perform above and beyond their performance. And he killed it. He stayed present. Even those jazz were gone. Wow, they were so happy for him. And the girl, like, wow, right? Right? And I showed him the video. He was so happy. I said, look at the video. Right, I showed him the video. And I used this video as an example of what happens when we're so radically present that we have that courage, that 30 seconds of courage, it can change your life. 30 seconds, all it takes. You have that courage to change your life. That's what being present does. That's what being radically mindful does. Because in that moment, he had a choice. He could have played okay, and it would have been all right. He could have said no, and it would have been all right. But this was the last moment he had for his senior year. Never again would he ever walk down this path again. And he stepped into it. He stepped into it and rocked the freaking place. Everybody went crazy. Did he reflect on it? Did he say what that moment meant to him to be in it? You know, I did ask him. And actually, I sent him the video the next day, and I said, son, I said, your dad's, I'm not coming to you as a dad. I'm coming to you as a master teacher. You rocked it. And I want you to keep this video because someday you're gonna not feel good enough. And I want you to see how good you are. Here's that video, right? And so he reflected back because, I don't even think he knew he had it in him. But he was willing to take it up, to stay present enough to make that choice. And now, oh, he's got a pep in his step. You know, he's empowered because it was powerful. And we all have that capability when we're mindfully present, when we're radically mindfully present, that present that we don't allow the past or the future to govern us, but we stay that present. Then the bills and the girlfriend and the other sex players and all that stuff doesn't matter anymore. Then we create magic in our lives. And that was, it's funny because I told him, I said, I hope you don't mind, but you just became a teaching point in my presentation because I did that. I played the video without sound. And I said, tell me what, because everyone thought, oh, that's a jazz player. I didn't play it with sound. I said, just watch his mannerisms. Tell me what's happening. And they're watching, you know, he's getting down, he's just blowing it out. And then I played it with music. And I said, he'd never done a solo up until that point. Blown away. I said, and that kind of courage exists in all of us. If we just stay radically present, radically mindful. So mindfulness is a big deal, like you said, but to be that present, that I could experience my mom, that he could be that sex player in that moment, we all have that, Deb. And that's what your show's about, is giving people the courage to be okay with just, you know what, do your thing, shut up already. Do your thing. Exactly. I wanna know more about your thing. So in the last minutes that we have here, I have some questions about you personally. Uh-oh. Yeah. Of course, Deb would let me out that easy. This is the PG version. We'll do another version in another time. But in the PG version, Daniel, what have you learned about, right? Yeah. What have you learned about moving forward in your life after a setback? What have setbacks taught you that probably felt really crummy in the moment, but by virtue of going through them to the other side, you receive something that informs you going forward? I have a lot of setbacks. You know, I think anyone who has seen any kind of success in their life has experienced setbacks, but they've taught me, even though in the moment it didn't look like it was a good lesson, you know, you hear that, oh, look for the silver lining, shut up. You know, it doesn't feel good, but looking back, all of them taught me something. And if it was only resilience, you know, I was the guy that would say, you know what, your people say, well, I'm in a room full of horse manure. And I'm the guy that was going, well, there's gotta be a horse in there somewhere that didn't get here by itself. I mean, find it. So for me, it's like the setback. Today, I look at setbacks differently because I don't see them as setbacks. I go through trials and tribulations like everybody else. And to me, now it's just about just breathing through it and saying, okay, so it's not that bad. I mean, I've been through bad, you know? Been through times when I didn't think I was gonna make it. Been through times when I didn't know where I was gonna eat or sleep. And every single one of those moments has taught me this, compassion. It's taught me to have compassion for other human beings. It's taught me that that day when I was sitting in that restaurant full on myself, that that's not life. And that I had no compassion for others because I got there, you know, on the backs of other people. And today, I have compassion for people. And when I see somebody hurting, I don't walk by without stopping. And even if I just say it's gonna be okay, been there, it's gonna be all right. And I know you can't see that right now, but just remember that, just remember that. Someday you'll go, oh, that crazy bald guy that came by and said it was gonna be okay, you know? And so it's taught me compassion. Not just for other people, but for myself. That life is like the ocean. The ocean's not the ocean without waves and life is not life without problems. So don't try to avoid them. Don't try to avoid them. They're just there. And it's not about you and it's not about me. It's just what is. And if I can navigate my way through those waters and go, okay, so this happened, what can I do with it? My mother passed away, it was devastating. But I wrote a book and I bought a center with her name on it. I did something with it. I didn't just let it be a bad thing that happened in my life. So today the lessons that I learned always are transformed and transmuted into something beautiful. Where before I just like waddled in my mud, you know? I don't do that anymore. What do you think your true purpose is, Daniel? What do you think your purpose in this life on this earth is? I'll say it this way. I did not come here to heal you. I came here to love you and that love will heal you. It's just love. There it's just love. I wasn't always that way, you know that. I wasn't always that way. I remember the first time I came back to the EBC after being gone and it was like, who the hell is this guy? He's bald and he's wearing Buddha shirts and you know, he's quiet. Yeah, I just want to love. I want to love and I want to love everybody and I don't like everybody, but I love everybody, you know? And I think that that's what my whole journey was about. Even as a 17 year old as a minister, even though I didn't know it, that it was to get to a place where I really just love. That's all. And that's the journey and love can mean a lot of things and go a lot of directions. But if I stay centered in that, then all is good. And I can still be successful and I can still be powerful, but I come from love. Not, let me see what I can get from you. Dare to dream. Eight years ago I asked you this question, whole different answer. Right? Ask again, what do you next dare to dream? What are your future dreams and goals, Daniel? Well, I'm going to open the center in the three months and the next one is going to be in Nepal. That's my next, that's my next place. That's the next place. I want to have sister because the vortexes of energy are similar in both the Himalayas and in the Andes. And I just feel like it would be great to have a place of people who do both. So they could feel that. Like in the book I talk about, like the first time I ever went to the Himalayas, I was like, oh my gosh, like, wow, I feel like I've been here. Well, of course I've been here. Of course I've been here. And so for me, it's just, you know, it's continued to, you know, to build the center and build another center, right? Maybe write some more books and just be. I don't know, Deb, you know, there was a time when I used to just be like after one thing, after another, like, you know, what's next, what's next? And I just want to live. I just want to be, I just want to be. I don't have a need. I mean, like many of us, I have many accolades. I've been on a cover of many magazines. I've done it. I don't have any need at all, at all to say, well, I need or want that. No, I just want to be. I just want to be. And then every day wake up and say, wow, I'm alive. What will I create today from this aliveness? I am alive. What will I create today from this aliveness? Thank you so much for coming on the show today. Oh my goodness. I've just loved connecting with you in this way too. And I end today's show with this quote from Daniel Gutierrez. Radical mindfulness is not only being aware and present, but being so present that you are monitoring your thoughts on a moment-to-moment basis and redirecting your actions towards your current intentions, followed by commitment. Next up, I'm dare to dream, oh, people, I'm featuring Steven Kotler. This man changed my life. And even having this conversation today where Plant Medicine came up as a pivot point, it goes right back to this. Steven Kotler who wrote the New York Times best-selling book, Stealing Fire, which 10, 15 years ago, I read, changed everything when I learned what a lot of Silicon CEO people were doing to master their lives and actually how deeply spiritual and self-development-based they were. And he is also the co-founder and the director of the Flow Genome Project. 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