 And so I would like to immediately proceed on to hearing from a number of other stakeholder groups in this process beginning with the California State Lands Commission. And we'll do a slight modification here in that since we have no question period at the end of this session, we will have questions for a limited period after each speaker trying to stay on time. Please proceed. Thank you. I'm Jen Maddox. I'm the science advisor and tribal leader at the California State Lands Commission. And we were asked to be here to just provide our perspective as legal, at least those of the state legally recognized sovereign land owner of the lake. But I say it that way because in this particular instance of with all land in California, these are not our lands. These are our lands that were taken and that are now under legal recognition as owned by us as a public agency. But we all know that we belong to the land and they were originally inhabited by people going before us. So let's say it that way. I'm the science advisor and the executive office. And I want to explain a little bit about the public trust. Try to be straightforward, but a lot of stuff that was said today, severe off. So not very much visibility agency. The state lands commission is responsible to manage pursuant to the common law public trust doctrine. You know, millions of acres of tides submerged lands, a mile mark on the beds of navigable waterways, including major rivers, and highlighted lakes. I'll speak about it in this presentation. Although there are some of these in the Owens Lake area and the Owens Valley, we also have ownership over a surface sand mineral. Those are school lands that we manage differently than our public trust lands. But that's all I'm going to say about that. The state lands commission. Oh, everybody's cool. Okay. These lands in trust for all of the people of the state. So think about that. That's really important related to some of the comments that were made. So even though we're going out today, the common law for the benefit of all of the people of the state and in the best interest of the state. This comes over from English common law. The idea that the time submerged lands that are there for all of the people for commerce, navigation, and fisheries, they can't be sold into private ownership or alienated. That's the word we use for us. We cannot alienate these lands and we cannot allow uses or facilities or activities on these lands that would degrade those public trust values resources or uses or would be incompatible with those. A couple of really important court decisions, including one up the road from Owens at Mulling has expanded our understanding of the public trust. So it's an evolving trust. It's the living thing that's not static in time. So now we recognize the value of environmental protection, open space, recreation, access, and native and cultural rights on our land. In this particular case, I'm really hoping that this presentation kind of ties together everything else, which is already kind of a mind-bender with a lot of conflict, is that because of what you're going to understand about the public trust, kind of coming in contact with some of the really technical, intellectual, and academically rigorous sort of problem-solving approach, is that this is really going to need some very adaptive and collaborative solutions that do not degrade the public trust values and do not degrade the public trust benefits that this lake provides to the people of the state. We have jurisdiction. Why? It's dry, right? Okay, well, so here's the Bessie Brady was a steam ship that carried goods across the lake from the east side to the west side and back. The middle picture is Cerro Borro Mine. So people, they would bring charcoals on the Bessie Brady from the west side to the east side and unload that and carry products from the Cerro Borro Mine back across. So you can see that the sub-commercial navigation is dry now, but it's a public trust. So the opening had dried the lake by 1913. The state land commission was not formed until 1938. So the way that they looked, and prior to that, it was the surveyor general was all kind of like scandal and all this stuff, and it was, you know, put away for a while and nobody was minding the store. And then they kind of came back and provided this land-owning agency and land stewardship agency and the way that they looked at it was, you know, was it commercially now? It was a little at the time of statehood. So it was public trust, commerce navigation fisheries. Nobody's going fishing on the lake right now and we look at it, right? We lease it now for a few different things, but we still have to find our leases not inconsistent or incompatible with public trust. So we have leased with UWP, our main one. We've got a lot of other little ones, but the main one for the depth control project was issued in 1999. It was expired in April last month, but we've put a temporary foldover extension on that. And we've amended it for us 23 times because of the various phases, because of things that didn't work, emergencies, you know, all kinds of things. We're constantly constantly working together. So you can see how close our relationships have to be with state-based and also UWP. We have a couple of other leases. U.S. borax has a mineral lease, as well as some surface leases. They mine out of the brine, so they mine from Toronto, stuff like that. And then I'm so glad that Jen put up that picture of the cow because we've got some grazing leases there too. Other really important public trust uses there are recreational access and then, of course, I can't stress enough the value of this lake as a wildlife habitat. It was mentioned earlier that this is considered an important bird area of Audubon IVA. It was also last year designated as a hemispherically important western hemisphere shoreward reserve network designation was placed over this. And I think things about the reason I keep coming back to context is we've seen a lot of change over time, a lot of human population, a lot of loss of other resources. So you can say that this isn't natural conditions. Olin's in its natural state was not supporting birds, shorebirds, breeding birds the way that it does now. But we got to kind of let that go because the fact isn't how it does. Tens of thousands of shorebirds, diving ducks, dabbling ducks, breeding shorebird, meadow feces, and they now have collected here while other resources and places to stop over and breed them how someone disappeared. So we can just sort of say, oh, well, it's not a natural picture in many ways. They also use its native name Hatiada, which I hope is okay. And I just want to throw that out there as a measure of respect for its original name, to respect the people who have lived for over 10, 15,000 years along the charge of the lake as it grew and trained. We should now remember its original name. That management is complex. We've got ducks blowing. But we've got cultural artifacts. We've got sand. We've got vegetation. So how do we apply the trespassing context? And what I've put here is that it's really about collaborative management priorities. Public health and safety is pretty important. And we also have to do it because protection and preservation of the habitat and environmental values, I just spoke of a little bit. And then also respecting and protecting the native culture values and resources. I want to, because the true experts are going to be speaking after me, but this area has a lot of meaning and culture and story. And it isn't something that we've solved in here or in your lab or in your math equations. It's a life. It's a living organism and it needs to be solved with respect for the fact that it's complex. So thinking about sand fences, it's easy. It's simple. Why would we do that instead of shreds? That's not public trust consistent. They are edgy. They degrade the aesthetics. They impede wildlife movement. They break apart. And so please, as my role in this briefing today is when you think you have a good engineering solution, remember that the lake is an organism and it has to be managed pursuant to keeping the protection of the public trust alive. So that's why I say sort of we have to avoid this collision force. This is about balance. We know we're not going to fill the lake back up and move all of the infrastructure that's not realistic. We know we have legal dust control requirements. We know DWP wants to reduce the water use. But we also have these other uses and values and resources that also come into the equation. And so that's the role that I have here today is to just go over that. And so I think that I have wanted to say about the sand fences because that came up and I was like, well, we wouldn't allow it. So just those kinds of considerations. You're talking about chemical suppressants, sand fences, huge leases for gravel cover. It is a backup. It puts us in a bit of a pickle. But again, with the communication coordination, we work it out, come up with creative ideas. And I will just close with saying I'm always available. People need clarification on anything about what our requirements may or may not be, how we may or may not be responsive to something. And then I noticed, I'm looking at everybody's files. There is a ton of brain power in this room and on this panel, a lot of engineers, a lot of really high-power intellectuals. And what I didn't see was, so you're going, somebody's going to have to fake it or everybody's going to have to kind of, you know, come to that is I didn't see any anthropologists and I didn't see any traditional practice experts. And I would just encourage you to think about enlisting somebody who may have acknowledged we have answers. We have people whose families and mothers and grandmothers and great-grandmothers have managed the resources here on the edge of the shoreline and provide a great deal of information, including the effect of the roots of the shrubs on the groundwater that inhibits the metagraphs from growing and the use of traditional burn. So there are tools available to you beyond, beyond some of these, what we all sort of graph onto as traditional scientists. And I would just encourage you to explore those things. Thank you. We have time for one or two questions. Any questions from the panel or on the phone? Okay, thank you very much. So next we have Kathy Bancroft from the Tribal Historical, who's the Tribal Historical Preservation Officer for the Lone Pine and excuse me if I do an incorrect pronunciation. Paiute Sifoni Reservation. Thank you. One of those. United May, Kathy Jefferson Bancroft, a new manoeuvre. Paiute Manoeuvre, a new manoeuvre. First of all, I want to acknowledge the traditional landowners whose land we're on, the Tonga. I don't know if I have any in the crowd here, usually I do. But I just want to thank them for allowing me to come down here to address you guys. We come from the land we call Piazunatu, which means the place where the water always flows, ironically. And my families live there for thousands and thousands and thousands of years. We still live there, and we care very deeply for this land. My grandmother as a little girl stood on the shores of Owens Lake and was told that she was going to live to see this lake dry. And they said that will never happen. That's way too big. But she did. When she was young, the birds flew and blocked out the sun for days. And they thought you could never quit that. When I was young, the birds, there was a lot of birds flying over. You don't see that anymore. It's gotten a little better since they started putting water on the lake. But a lot of things have changed in our valley and affected our way of life. Because who we are is defined by the land we live on. Our cultural resources are not just the arrowhead that you saw up here, but they're all the plants, the animals, the water, the air, and that view you look at. There's stories about how all those mountains were formed. There's stories about every place in that valley. And that's who we are. And we are part of that story. We're part of this land. We take care of the land, and the land takes care of us. So when I look at these dust control measures, since that's what you're here for, every one of them are very disturbed because they are so destructive to the land. They can't implement any of these dust control measures without going through and wiping out every trace that my ancestors left on that land that showed that we were there. They completely destroyed the surface, the integrity, everything. I've been on the lake all of my life. I've gone out there as a young child. I've gone out there to fish on the river. I've gone out to collect basket materials, collect foods, medicines, and everything, which got harder and harder the drier it got. I've gone out there later when it was dry. I've gone out since 2002. I've been on the lake in an official capacity representing the tribe as the tribal cultural monitor. And then as the tribal historic preservation officer. At first, they didn't talk to us a whole lot. We tried to save what we could by hiding stuff from the archaeologists. We didn't have a voice, but we still did everything we could to protect those resources. We don't believe that those resources belong to us, but it is our job to protect them because they still belong to the people that left us there. This land still needs to be protected from outsiders because we lived here for thousands of years and the land provided for all of us. Outsiders have been there for 150 years and then pretty much destroyed the place. When you look at the individual back homes and what they've done as far as solutions to the dust mitigation. I have to say the long high site should show the reservation is where I'm from. Our reservation was one of the reasons the lake was put into the project was implemented because of the dust. We all have really bad breathing problems. So we were really glad to see that something was being done about the dust. So that we weren't against it or anything, but then as time went on, we could see the problems with the way things were carried out. They were looking at little individual postage stamp sized places that had a problem and trying to figure out how to deal with the dust in that area. It's like it's a big lake and to think that that little area is not, and you do something in that little area, it might solve that problem. But what problems is it solving outside here? Or maybe it is solutions and how can we do that? Gravel is my biggest problem with the back homes because once you put gravel down, you've created a dead surface. The lake, even though it was dry, was beautiful. It changed colors. It was different every time you went by it, and it created a really magnificent scenery because it had different levels of water in it and everything. But you put gravel down, it looks, it never changes. It's dead. Nothing is going to happen to it. You use different colors of gravel and you'll see lines of different colors. It wasn't implemented as good as it could be or if all of, but the worst thing about the gravel is on the mountains, on the east side of the lake, they tore down mountains and made a big hole in the ground. This was supposed to be behind the mountain, so you couldn't see it. Now it's just a big old hole in the ground you can see from the highway. This also creates another dust dirt. Nobody's saying anything about that and it's changing our landscapes. That's why I have such a big problem with gravel. Managed veg is a good solution. I wonder when I sit here and think they're doing all these shrub studies, why don't they just go out there and look at the vegetation that's there? Why do you have to do it in a wind tunnel? There is vegetation there when they don't rip it up. Wind doesn't always come from one direction. That's been the problem with the projects out there. They assume the prevailing wind direction. It comes from all directions and they're not always the same. Create different problems. The same with shallow flooding. They grade the whole thing to get as flat as they can to use the lowest amount of water they can. Water's good, put water on there. Shallow flooding has brought back some of the plants that we couldn't find that were gone. Water is probably the answer, but that's the problem. Is they're all destructive? Is there a way that we can do this without being so destructive? As far as it goes, we talk about percent cover and all this. What we're seeing is when you implement a vacuum in this area, like shallow flood, that water doesn't stay in that area. We have another issue where another dust control area because these areas were designated a long time ago. Because one sense at the south end of this huge area created some morning signals, they mandated this whole area. They said we're going to put it all in gravel. What happened in the years it took between that time that the gravel was going to be put down. The water from the shallow flood area seeped out under the berms into this area and caused what was it? 14 acres of grass to grow along an old shoreline. The salt grass that creeped in were like, why are you putting gravel, which is a temporary measure, over vegetation, which is a permanent solution to the dust? Everybody looked at it for a long time. The final response to make a long story short was, we talked about these percentage. The percentage of cover for vegetation has to be 37 percent and it was only 33, 34 percent. They couldn't do it. I started to ask, where did that number come from? Because when they did the farm on the south end and planted all that salt grass, they noticed that at 25 percent, the dust quit. They said, why do we have to do 50 percent if 25 percent is doing the solution? We'll change this, but we'll just add on another half and that's where 37 percent came from. Arbitrary numbers may work in the lab. They may work with legal terms. They don't work in the real world. Do what needs to be done. That's the same thing. If you're going to put shallow flood care, don't say we're going to do this right here. As part of the cultural resources task force, that was the first time the tribes were ever given the opportunity to provide recommendations on what we would like to see happen on the lake. It was good, but there were still only recommendations. Everyone, we say, give it time. You did this. This might have been a message before. Is it still going to be a message? We did get, they listened somewhat, but it's all still arbitrary and it can all still be mandated to be to be mitigated and created. I'm just asking to look at, there are several issues that have come up because they talk about average rainfall, average moisture. What's the baseline? If you look at today, the baseline is pretty sad, but you look at in our days with our families have been there for, there was so much water in that valley. So why are we going off of today when they're talking about groundwater pumping? Oh, let's see if we have an effect. You've already had an effect, you know, so that when you design any or think of any new bathrooms, please think about working with the effects that this has already had. Is there any way we can fix it and go back? And my main thing is, why aren't we helping the lake heal itself? This is a natural process of every lake that dries out goes through this, but normally they can fix themselves. They're not as big a dust problem and they will find ways to fix themselves. How can we help that so that we can go help the lake and then walk away and it's taken care of? So I just ask that you keep that in mind and everything. And there's a whole lot of other issues, you know, in the way management and dust control is done on the lake, but I'm not going to get into all of that. But I'm glad Jennifer brought that up because, you know, we have a lot of knowledge. We managed, we didn't just live on the land and wander around looking for what we could find to eat and everything. No, we managed that land for thousands of years. We have traditional knowledge. We have knowledge of how these lands need to be managed. And if you combine that knowledge with the science that you guys have, that would be cool solution. So how's that for a long while? But I really thank you guys for coming and listening, but I just can't stress enough that you guys really need to come and see the Ones Lake because it's obvious, you know, from your questions and everything. That's the big stumbling block here. So before you get any farther, you come up there. We welcome you to New Moon and New Willow lands. And I'll gladly take you around and show you, answer any questions because that's where you're going to come up with the answers when you really see what's out there. Thank you. Thank you. Question? Thank you for coming, Kathy. I have a question for you, which is, you talked about delay healing itself and you also touched on the managed vegetation, shallow flooding is good. So obviously the dust was a problem for you guys. So how do you think that timeline for delay sort of healing itself combines with some of the solutions that you think work for this, you know, and natural processes that need to happen? Natural processes are going to take longer. They're not instant solutions. But you could do instant, so not solutions, but help it, you know, to get better. You're not going to have 100% by tomorrow. They went a lot already out there. So let's work on the areas that, and that's what we're doing in this great basin and DWP and state lands have been really open, because we are doing some projects where they're, they're, they're tribally driven. And we're doing that in these environmentally sensitive areas because they, they have the possibility of being coming in this. And I don't think anybody wants to go to court to tell you whether the protecting resources or the clean air act are more important. So we've been working together to find ways to alternative ways that aren't so invasive and destructive to, to help at least slow down the process of mishes and maybe turn it around, you know. Well, my question was going to be you mentioned that you'd made a number of recommendations for what should be done on the lake. Could you share those with us and in written form or? Yeah, we had the cultural resource, cultural resources task force was formed as a result of the 2013 SIP. And we've been meeting ever since that. And for phase 7a and for phase 9 and 10, we submitted, submitted, the tribe submitted written recommendations. Yeah, if you can share those with us. Sure, those are available from anybody. Yeah, I don't mind sharing them, because they do really explain where we're coming from. And it's a whole different angle than people are used to looking at how to have a project like this. And I think it opens some people's eyes that there are other solutions. Our number one thing is wait and see what these mitigation measures that you've done are going to result in. Because a lot of them, and if it's the same thing on the lake, everything's different. Because in some of them, if you put a bunch of water here, it's going to spread out and resolve dust issues here. Other places at the south end where they put water in some places, it's actually made the dust worse next to it. So that's what you need the science to say, what is it that causes that? So we need to work together, because it is a complicated, like they would say, issue. And yeah, I'd be glad to help, but I'm sure everybody else would, you know. Anyway, we can. Kathy, I just, I'm wanting to forward this information to them, the TRTF recommendation. We want to make sure that there's no confidential information in there that you must not be comfortable with me sharing. So maybe we should talk. We should talk about that because off the top of my head, I can't think of anything confidential or we wouldn't have shared it with the whole CRDF. But it should be up to the tribes to determine whether that information should go. And it is sensitive just because it identifies areas that are important to us. And that's one thing I've gone through with this project and said, you know, there's a reason that these areas are sensitive. There's a reason cultural resources are out there. And that's because people couldn't get out there. And now you're building roads out to them. So that's, so we have to, we have big problems with leaders and everything up there. And so we really have to be careful with identifying those areas. So those aren't the, yeah, it's really scary. So that, that is an issue, but maybe you can get a redacted version. I have a question. You did express your dispatch for a while, but are you okay to leave the land as one of the backup? Tillage is really ugly. But tillage usually happens in places where there was shallow flood. So there isn't a whole lot there to left to destroy. So if it's done in small areas, I don't have a problem with it. It's not a final solution because it breaks down. And it would be better to implement a measure there that, like I said, would heal the land. So they didn't have to keep doing it. I've seen them tear down vegetated dunes to build the burn roads. I mean, those vegetated dunes were never going to become emissive, but they needed the soils to build burn roads. And burn roads are fine, as long as they water them. They always talk about imperpetuity. I said, if you're going to have water trucks on those burn roads, burn roads in perpetuity, then that's fine. But one thing, you're not going to be out here to water those roads. And when those fall apart, you're going to have way bigger problems than you have. So that's what, you know, you're creating a high maintenance project from what was low maintenance and would have eventually healed itself. Any final questions? Well, thank you very much. Thank you. So our final speaker of the day is going to be Daniel Gutierrez from the Tribal Historic Preservation Office from the Big Pine Paiute Tribe. My mom, she's from Monolake area. And my father, he is from Big Pine. And that's who our traditional names are within our areas. I'd like to thank Kathy for all her hard work out there on Patsyada and the Owens Lake, her and her culture monitors, you know, protecting what's out there. I'm part of the CRS, CRTS group. The Ration Officer of the Big Pine Paiute Tribe of the Owens Valley. I'd like to thank you for the invite to discuss key issues and important sources with the Owens Lake scientific advisory panel and share cultural information to further assist you in understanding the lands of Patsyada, Owens Lake. This is an evaluation of thinking of new ways to achieve effectiveness in an ongoing desk control method to reduce the airborne particulate matter and also the tribal perspective concerning the reduction in the use of water and attempts to control dust emissions. Patsyada is a sacred lake to the state of still symbolic to native people from everywhere. It still has a lot of power and is showing her anger by producing dust that will make people sick as they are making her sick. She will continue to do so until people wake up and realize all she needs is want is her life back, her water. Part of the offerings are still made in hopes of Patsyada to become as it once was. It was honored and respected like all streams, creeks, rivers and lakes are as they provide life and life surrounded these waterways as determined in your archeological and anthropological anthropology and paleontology studies. NUMA people that who are NUMA people were taught to take care of the land so in turn it would take care of us. We irrigated, planted and worked with the lands to help us endure our way of life for thousands and thousands of years since time immemorial and they keep the lands air and water in balance because if they got sick we would get sick. This is the natural teaching of our ways. And this issue of Patsyada and the dust emissions is showing you. We're from the lands of the Kinsutika people in Monolake and the river streams, creeks from up that way, coming down to Paiana in Long Valley. Even the glacier water from Toba-Wahama to land, they climb. All the water travels the rest in Patsyada on the lake. In our language and that of the Kinsutika and other tribes we have names for all these places. We have histories of these areas and of dry creeks that we're dug into so water can flow again and water the land. We have the land that had to be watered in order for all to live people, wildlife, vegetation. That's in this part of sharing that our tribe of crystal owns like science advisory panel. So look into the choice of releasing additional flows of a natural precipitation that is brought from rain and snowmelt to be allowed to flow in their original waterways such as creeks. So the valley's water tables can be replenished. It doesn't mean that our time when your panel will be obligated to meet in the future to analyze other dust emissions situations in other locations within the Ophelio and Mono counties. The portions of water was to be allowed to fill Patsyada on the lake to certain percentage or level as it's done to Mono Lake. That would assist in resolving the issuance of LAWP millions of dollars in which they could utilize that money to assist Los Angeles become itself efficient and their water usage to provide for the city of Los Angeles on the rooftop instead of depleting resources from the own valley with underground pumping and surface water exports. The Lake Pine Pirate Tribe acknowledges that during the past 20 years progress has been made to reduce airborne PM10 in an effort to bring in the own valley into compliance of the Clean Air Act. It is also known that the drying of the lake resulted in Patsyada become the single largest emitter of PM10 in the nation and a dusting threat to human health for years. LAWP has applied various dust abatement measures on the lake bed. Their efforts were treated as projects that are equal and were applied to take and were applied to the lake beds and spaces. The tribe mourns the destruction of Patsyada and ancestors and relatives that use the lake and shores for many purposes. Tribal people have long known that the archaeologists are now seeing a long chronology of human use and resources of this vast dynamic inland sea. The best mitigation measures approved by Great Bates and Unified Air Pollution Control District and undertaken by LAWP have resulted in huge amounts of ground disturbance. Artifacts and numerous cultural sites have been disrupted or destroyed due to these activities. Existing environmental laws and policies apparently allow the owns lake bed control project to be implemented in phases in which the tribe disagree because this approach may not be possible to see the over-impact to the integrity of culture and other resources associated with owns lake. Archaeologists hired to serve in the dead control footprint areas prior to construction. We had only these arbitrary areas. As one phase of death mitigation led to another, a larger view of tribal use emerged and with it the realization that sites previously regarded as insignificant or eligible for the National of California Registry. Historic resources were destroyed before they were seen in their true context. At owns lake and owned valley tribes have lost physical links to our ancestors' way of life and places of significance to our culture like Pasiata. We only have stories of how that lake once was. Like Cassie mentioned the birds, they're so abundant. Life was so plentiful. Our history and our resources out there, you know that were out there if they're not leaded, you know showed the strength of that lake and the power and the ecological contributions that it made to life of everything from insects, from the tiniest of insects to the tallest creatures that still walk. And the death control efforts of the death control efforts at owns lake also failed to consider the impacts to the eastern series limited water resources. LAWP releases some water to control death on the lake bed but continues to export surface water and plant groundwater from owns valley. Owns valley is climatically and a hydrologically closed basin and owns lake on the naturally terminal lake. Constantly draining water from this valley and it's linked to export to a wider region of the state has taken a toll and will continue to cause environmental demise of the tribes and ancestral homes in that owns valley. This project with LAWP taking water from the valley has never been adequately addressed to as LAWP's project of water export continues many parts of owns valley are experiencing vegetation die off and as a result increased fugitive death emissions. One effective LAWP death control measure is to apply water to the shallow flame mitigation area. But it's important to understand that this activity puts industry on owns valley. Alley need to be deep pumps water from places like big plant areas in order to provide the water to mitigate the death. Alley is not paying the price of mitigating owns lake death instead communities like big plant are paying the price. The tribes concern that the ongoing dewatering throughout the valley causes a particulate matter emission problems to be transferred from the lake bed which is which is being addressed to other parts of the valley where death emissions are not monitored but we see it. The tribe holds a position that the best solution for controlling the intended owns valley for now in the future is to refill owns lake with natural service for those who tends to restore hydraulic integrity throughout the valley. Had tribes been consulted in an initiation of LAWP's DIY project the tribe would have made it clear that it's unthinkable to the tribe that humans would be allowed to deprive owns lake of the water if this is what happened in a very short time period as a grandparent's great grandparents witness. Predictably the brettification was allowed was followed by ecological devastation and horrific death storm conditions which may have been endured by our people and others. The CRTF was formed to adjust cultural resources affected by the death control efforts and make recommendations on protection. The formation of the CRTF is an attempt to protect where it remains to pursue adequate mitigation and the tribe would like to see the CRTF continue to expand beyond just the lake with regard to resource protection for all humans in wildlife and as Cassie also mentioned you know the areas around the lake too is starting to show signs of death emissions. It's nice that there's a portion of the lake that's for the shore birds and that's that's important however there's still limited action to a larger environmental issue. Earlier I mentioned when a lake can have a lot of levels should be established to apply to even though there is an agreement for Mono Lake it is also experiencing ecological damage and causing public concern and I don't think anybody wants to turn out like on a lake. History will respect its history will be about if lessons are not learned we need to make viable changes to protect our planet and all of its inhabitants. You can conduct all your scientific studies and spend millions of dollars to keep Patsy out of the lake free of death emissions. The only thing that will fix this is simply let the lake be a lake and let the water back in and on it and I believe she has mastered all of the people of those values too. Thank you. Questions? Thank you very much and I'd like to thank all of the participants in the session today. My understanding is that we have no request for public comment and so uh with that uh seeing having no uh public comments on the last bit of our agenda yeah please uh certainly we can I'm a Mono Lake if you go to the mic if you go to the mic on the people I'm comparing. Glad to be a chairperson I was invited by my ins and sisters to partake in this meeting today and it's quite important we have quite a bit of education scientists wonderful people that are going to be making some decisions for us that we're really being our lands are really being torn apart by people not speaking outside the box all these formulas are great land flux equals h2o I kind of remember that in chemistry water is life and that that is us I encourage you to come up to the valley and drive up and but first look at the pictures before our valley was gorgeous and our shrubs are dying our plants I mean we're you're seeing more spaces you're seeing them turn into tummies and they're flowing away it's like an old western and it's really disheartening up in our land DWP is planning on drilling 20 test wells well they're going to do that to the headwaters where we're at it's not going to take us long to start looking like the valley and I am currently a homeowner in big pines and I see our water rights depleting just as a homeowner and it's really devastating so when you're really thinking and I've seen you being taking notes about what Kathy and Danielle have said which is my niece but she speaks from the heart Kathy speaks from a perspective of really knowing chemistry so we have to come to Kathy a lot oh what does this mean but I just would like you to think through your heart as our perspective how much we have endured and destruction though we are here waiting before any of you now please think of us as you as our family and how would you feel in your land is destroyed because pretty soon we're not going to have any land our grandchildren your grandchildren we're all going to not have some place beautiful to share so please when you take it in your heart and you're really looking at these issues think of us and yourself thank you thank you any other requests for public any further comments from the panel okay with that we're officially adjourned