 Well, my first reaction when I was invited to be part of the project was that I really didn't think I could do it because I had never worked in a group situation before or I was afraid that it was really going to be a group situation because so many people were involved in it. So actually I turned it down the first when I was asked and then a year later I regretted that I had turned it down and I got in touch with Frederick again and so that's what happened and I began to work and I found that I was able to really do it my own way. I did it with the kind of help that I wanted to have and I'm very pleased with how it all came out. What surprised me the most about Israel and the West Bank was the number of different kinds of groups and people that I encountered. I was especially fascinated with the fact that there were so many different kinds of Africans in Israel. Africans not only from Ethiopia who were the who are citizens of Israel but communities from Sierra Leone, from Ghana and then another part of that was seeing the diversity of the pilgrims who came to Israel and one of the groups that I heard about and I photographed that I was told that there's something like 3,000 people from Ghana come annually to the pilgrim sites in Israel, Christian pilgrims. At one point I thought about just photographing Christian pilgrims because I realized I felt that most people when they think about Israel don't realize what a stake that Christians feel in the country just as much as Jews and Muslims feel and so I thought it would be interesting to explore their pilgrimages and I did a certain amount of that and I worked in the in the old city and I spent quite a bit of time photographing in the church of the Holy Sepulchre. I identified my subjects really some of it was quite random. In some cases I photographed for instance I photographed at the beach I photographed in cafes this was in Tel Aviv in Jerusalem I actually in Jerusalem I photographed people whom I met through friends of mine. I always wherever I've worked and I have worked in many in Latin America Asia and in many different countries. I'm always interested in the interior as much as I am in the exterior and possibly more in the I'm possibly more interested in what's going on inside of people and actually I don't know that because I've spoken to them at great length. It's something that I just have an intuition about it and I always I feel that I do better work with people that I don't really know very well and sometimes people I've just met and I have a way of just really wanting to have silence between us and just have a look at one another and somehow through that you know I bring everything that all of my own experiences that I've had and what I know about people and then what I what I feel about them and what I feel that who I feel that they are to my to my work for me them the title of my book is everyone because I feel that everyone is a them and people talk about them meaning the other and it's generally in a derogatory way and I saw this happening with all kinds of people that I met. It was very hard to select pictures for the exhibition because I have about 3,000 images that I 3,000 pictures and I edited these down to a couple of hundred small prints and then little by little I I kept editing and it took me months and months to figure out what the book was well what first of all I worked on a book the book is called them and it took me months to make a general edit and then I decided to include text as well and I selecting the text and working interweaving the text with the pictures was it's just a gigantic job even though the texts are very short they're very brief I wanted them all to have significance somehow to what came before them and what came after them but at the same time they are they are supposed to be kind of neutral in terms of the actual people on either the the the texts are between are not shown with the photographs they're shown in pages in between the photographs I hope that what people will take away from seeing my pictures I hope that they will be have their consciousness raised and that they will think things about the place the different kinds of people who are there I I hope that they'll be surprised at some of what they see I hope that they may want to find out more on their own to read some of the very good books that are available for written by all kinds of people and to understand more but I do think that also that my pictures in the show that they relate to a general view of humanity it's not just specifically Israel and the West Bank but I think you can find a lot in them that relates to anywhere that you happen to live