 My name is Messi Bopu and it's time for us to go through the papers this morning. We call it off the press Chris Kinde One do joins us this morning executive director African governance and leadership Initiative, thank you so much for being part of the show All right, and Merry Christmas to you as well Let's start off with a Nation newspaper this morning. The nation says disquiet in PDP over week is mucking days Order stripped to the United Kingdom. That's a board caption G5 governors on retreat to decide on preferred presidential candidate Chris, I don't know what you make of this But I'm just waiting to show your thoughts how this governors who belong to a political party have been acting contrary, you know to Party activities and other says on remitted 200 million narrow checked off Jews divide pension years money is very powerful and you know Money can cause any trouble so I can be surprised food prices shut up by 29.00% within 12 months and just before we move away from the nation this morning Investors take three trillion on Nigerians equity Outrage trails killing of expectant lawyer by policemen at a checkpoint Well, I'm Lira him very very very unfortunate. I'm not sure you want to imagine You know the situation Now and we have the punch in front of us CBN monitor 6047 be the ends over suspected fraudulent transactions Well, we thought that you know with the BVN All of this fraud would have been a faster. Well, probably wouldn't even be necessary or apt for them to engage in this act Central Bank examines 28 banks bank customers operations 17.89 million bank accounts not linked with BVN 144 proctors for featured by fraud stars looters for auction and just before we move away from the punch Domestic airfares so by 97% that's according to the MBS IMF once Nigeria over dwindling all revenue. I thought we're getting it right just some months back PCC kicks over governor's threat to dump a tickle. Okay And again, you find student Ford's fee hike in Vasate's demand review Police man kills graduate a door family begs IG Oh, no, this is this is really really sad 124 billion weapons imported in four years This is according to a report on the punch newspaper this morning and how Lagos Police man killed my pregnant wife lawyers husband is quoted to say very unarmed, you know citizen and we have the leadership now the leadership says 2023 presidency to noble obese men shipped battle ground to South South and Southeast That's a bold caption on the leadership Governors are supporting Labor Party standard bearer says or Hanayzee Jonathan supporters mobilized for APC presidential candidate Deal decisively with terrorists I'm achieved charges troops Three died in Niger in the J Republic military Helicopter crash Three died in the J Republic military and helicopter crash one killed 45 abducted by gunmen in Kaduna Bala Muhammad alleges plot to wreak Bouchie governorship elections and federal government grants local ship owners zero import duty on new vessels Another headline says killing of Lagos lawyer and tickle six urgent police reforms I mean, it's just a time where anyone can Jump really at it. You ask yourself the difference fair. How far have we contributed? You know to the issue of police brutality and calling for the reforms Islamic group to appeal debt sentence These are some of the headlines we find this morning on the leadership newspaper But that's so much we can take now Chris came day once again. Thank you for joining us. Let's quickly share your thoughts on this on some of the boning issues now Well, once again, Merry Christmas to our viewers and for the globe and It's just a my off to start with a killing and shooting of Mobile and the era him in Lagos by a trigger happy Belish man on Christmas Day This is a killing too many messy information coming in is that Well, I'm a is pregnant. It's a woman pregnant So that is double homicide. It is not only he did not only kill the woman But he also came the baby inside as to mark and that comes to question the kind of People that are within our police force our recruitment drive how they are recruited and the kind of training that they are keeping and More more some to me is for that I G when police station in a job comes to know to us for this kind of art From what we are saying. This is the second killing and shooting within the past one month and that's brings to question the kind of mentality of The people that are there is not only the police man that for me They are killed that should be arrested even the DPO of that police station should be questioned It's obvious that he doesn't know his job the men under him I don't know what they're supposed to do for you to just raise your pistol and shoot at a very good company to try and family shows the mentality of the Some of our many uniform and that is what we're the same time with unknown These are people that paint with our past morning to be able to sustain to be able to protect us We've been tried and reading it. We are telling those weapons I guess I guess Nigeria's My problem is that even whatever is done to that with this man will is to bring back a mobile and Lee Rahim and the unborn child Nothing can bring back those two lives again. And that is what we're saying Time with a number the Nigerian security agencies at times Just look at themselves as they superior to the ordinary civilians The fact that you have a piece with you or even with you makes you feel like you are most superior They are brilliant ideas. Yes, this kind of thing happens in some part of the world I thought was with the same shooting in the United States of America and some other parts of the world that the justice system in those country make sure that those Cuts giving such giving such man are brought to go and see really dealt with message that is so many policemen that have came my dear hands and Nothing was done after you be sure that after this one again for the next two to three weeks we'll forget about it and move on as if nothing happened and you be hearing about the prosecution taking your court and Even if he sent us nothing you say that now we have been sent into like this man Just don't know how it works in but my heart goes out to the family of that young woman on This I don't even know how to put it this month. It's just quite a part of it Well, it's quite unfortunate K&A one do let's quickly move away from that. We say that this should not just be just One case because if we want to continue in this conversation you remember vividly what led to the Hashtag and sars protest and of course in generality. It's ending police brutality and calling for the reforms and I'm just really worried that in 2022 was still here shortly after the you know the memorial and it's going on and it feels like Impunity will continue rascality and what have you all of this? trigger happy officers will continue to exist in a system because we have not been very honest with our actions as You know people especially when I say people I'm talking about You know the government at this point in time But that will be the crux of our conversation as we as we proceed a candy wonder. I'm sure you you Want to say something? Yes If you look at the lower part of that Front page of the punch you also see that a policeman kid a young graduates a shot a young graduate in the two states The family is crying out over the killing of that young man was at a party Let's me that the police man just released shots and that young man is about to eight years and it is just a young man that is just Going on Investing and trying to write in the living and that the party is not just She was a shot that killed in the stand and they tried to cover that Now your family is calling on the inspector general for these to do something about it That that brings to question what I've been talking about the kind of mentality I was a great This is very very Not all that's a great agency. This is soon isn't with this and The earlier we talk about something about the better I think I'm talking about the phones Please I don't know where we're going to start from but for us they want to do it. It has some Social economic and religious I will be because most of the country has a close of 80 to 90% of People in the police that will put every year and not people that really wants to join The one So Chris let's look at the nation there's quite in the PDP over we case Macking days or the strip to the United Kingdom and according to the report the g5 governor's on a retreat to decide on a Preferred presidential candidate. What are your thoughts on this preferred presidential candidate? Should they not be supporting? I'm talking about the g5 governor's now Presidential candidate of the a party So Well, you know, it's the nation, you know, you know, it's the nation, right? There's some time because I read also that the g5 Intercepts and want to support them. It will be someone wants to support them What's his name? And Anybody want to support they have the right to support and I just believe that We just look beyond this governor's and concentrate on their and on their campaign But But but Chris said this conversation is is premised on the argument that you know at the party level we lack Internal democracy. That's what we're talking about and We're also talking about Acting in accordance with the rule of engagement. I mean you were saying abide by the laws and so I'm sure that at the various party, you know Political parties that we have they have, you know, a constitution a rule book that guides your action My question is this does this not contravene the actions? I mean, does this not contravene the rule book or the Constitution of the parties and is this also not, you know, an Anti-democratic Tenets by this governor's Should we be embracing it because you have said that they have a right to support whoever they should support But these are, you know, persons. They're not just ordinary They're governors and they belong to a certain political party. Does it really make sense that in a democratic system? They're just saying hey, we're going to come out with who we're supporting or we're already supporting XYZ Should they not support members of their political parties? That is what you have totally right, Messi. I'll tell you that party democracies and supremacy died in between 1979 and 1983 Messi, I know you are very young You may not have tried me I don't talk anything I don't talk anything But If you remember It was a British history, a student of history that In 79, 83 we have political parties like MPN, MPP, GMPP, PROP, IUP Both days of our love of women and their thinking were The days of Amino Cano, the days of Wasiri, Brahim And these are the major, Ashengu Shangari Who was the presidential candidate of the MPN then Who realized that the party was so supreme that whatever the party says is the line that the governors would talk But what we have now, since 1979, the governors are now more powerful than the parties And that is where they got it wrong So what this is that the governments run the parties What they say is what happens They tell me who becomes the chairman of the party and other national officers With that they can also tell me what happens in terms of ideology and policy Why a party, let's take an example Why a party has not been able to deal with issues of anti-party activities Of certain governors within their party is what I don't understand It has much as generally some of these governors have a general reason to agitate But it also has been issued by the party irrespective of whatever the party says is what it will do So a situation where five governors of PDP will be going around Going against the tenets of the manifesto and the constitution of their party Comes with questions, it comes with certain underlining effects But the question also asks you that the leaders of the party also Remember what the hawk said It says since the hunter has learned how to shoot with that missing missing And it has started learning how to fly with that pitching So on both sides, both of them are violating both the party members And the party leadership are violating the ethics of their own term Of their manifesto and their constitution And that a constitution I mean And that in itself is manifesting in how this goes Until we still go back to the drawing board and make the parties very superior And have all the kind of necessary powers to be able to operate Then this is the kind of thing you can give it is We are somebody we've been PDP has said that I'm going to endorse somebody in the board party I'm going to endorse somebody in APC or any other party That is serious anti-party that's supposed to be sanctioned But since they don't have the way with that After all, who pays the pipe at the 30 soon Most of the governors are the one that put them down It's not surprising they can be a party Well, I'd like to share your thoughts on this other one The CBN and her monitoring activity It's said that on the punch The CBN monitors 6047 BVNs Over suspected fraudulent transactions We thought that with everyone having the BVN It would just be over to fraud To me, it's very surprising that we have close to 80 million accounts Bank accounts not the BVN And that in this service was some for me And if it is as an account that with that BVN Automatically that account would be featured to the bank And by CBN directive So what you are saying that money in those accounts The question you have to ask Are those accounts still been going through transactions Are they being used for transactions Merci, just before the Christmas I know that I was having the One of my bank was giving me issue of my BVN Despite the fact that I have linked this for several years And that account was put on hold And I was asked to do some certain things Necessities, the corporate account For me to get it And I'm starting to do that again So, and I'm sure that most of this Can not lead to BVNs Once being used for fraudulent activities There are some of them being used by kidnappers Tandits and the rest of them To be able to start money from people Transfer money from people and the rest of them Also some of them are also being used by This so called Yahoo Yahoo Boys To flee on suspecting Nigerians And foreigners of their money So if there's a policy that All accounts must be linked to BVN And you don't have, you have close to about 15 million of those accounts not linked Then I think BVN should order the banks To freeze those accounts Because the essence of BVN is to be able to Monitor monetary transactions So that we don't have people Using them for fraudulent activities But even at that you're not as yourself Even with the BVN Are we not seeing high level of corruption all over This is a read about the AGF Who stole over close to, was it about Over 100 billion Naira How did they do it, it was in cash It was in cash, definitely must have passed through A system and into some accounts So there are loopholes here and there And that is why we said some of the Policies of the central bank of Nigeria Which the central bank of Nigeria is introducing Fair enough, it's good enough But it's just the way he's going about it That to me he seems not to be appropriate You have to give people the opportunity To be able to, enough time to be able to do it Don't forget We just have about how many days to 31st Of December Because of it I believe for Pre-med or good Naira nodes And we also have till about 15th Also in January for all Good nodes to go out of circulation But as of this morning I see that most Nigerians can Have that new node I will show you No I showed you mine last week Forgotten I showed you one last week That was the one I could beat That's one Naira node You are very lucky Because I'm beginning to question My nationality Whether I'm still a Nigerian I have thoughts I have struggled You will see that You will see that You will see that You will see So what's the I mean Chris you remember vividly That it was also reported that Would have this monies the banks Would actually load this monies in the ATM And not everyone has the luxury Of walking into the banking hall That's why we have the ATMs And other means of transaction Without necessarily walking into the banking hall So yes we're still seeing one and the same It feels like it has to be on a special request From my interaction with A couple of persons You have to request that you want the new nodes And who has the time To do all of that But in the course of transaction I haven't even come across it And I'm asking What is this currency That we're talking about that seem to be Very secretive It's like the circulation of it Is a hidden thing You have to be anointed To see it I haven't seen it The new Nara The new Nara is in Moscow Nara's Don't ask me I'm telling you You can't see it anywhere I've only seen the 1000 Nara I've not seen the 500 I've not seen the 200 And don't forget that the policy of resetting back Is that the 200 Nara nodes Will be loaded into the ATM We'll go to the ATM so we cannot get The money You're giving a time frame Of all Nara nodes You're still dispensing the old one to Nigeria So how would that happen Okay, so I've been told That they would make sure Of my office I would definitely see the node today All thanks to them And thanks to him as well I need to see the original So I know when to identify when it's fake That's the issue Thank you Still looking at the punch Newspaper, that's also another One that's of a major concern Because once upon a time I remember if you have to Board a commercial, I mean a local flight In Nigeria That was the time we were paying 19,000 Nara 15,000 if I'm not mistaken But We seem to be having Domestic airfares We're looking at 97% And that's because the average cost Of airplane tickets Now rose from 37,000 Nara To 73,000 Nara I mean you have the fractions right there But let's leave it approximately at 37,000 and 73,000 What exactly is responsible Is it the aviation, is it the period Is it the demand and supply What is responsible for this You know, drastic hike In airplane tickets First number one Is the jet A1 The Fuel used by Aeroplane And it's getting Out of and it's just as You have a scarcity of fuel Jet A1 is not available And where it is, it's very expensive The last I had was that It's over 100,000 Nara per liter In the past it used to be Around 200, 300 What between 200 and 300 But over the months it has Choked up the room And it doesn't seem to have enough in the country Don't forget that it import Partically everything that has to be With the energy sector, the petroleum sector Nigeria From abroad The last time I had I registered as a journalist I had that, we have about The issues with petroleum Products Still waiting to buy at various spots In Nigeria and they're waiting for clearance From the customs That is part of the reason why we have The scarcity we have in now I don't think those Vests would have been clear To upload what they have Then that also goes with the jet A1 At the point, don't forget that The airlines met with National Assembly And we are giving a reprieve For some weeks, about some weeks anyway On this issue of jet orbit It has not solved the problem And that is skyrocketing Couple with that is the fact Within the festive period And a lot of people are flying Across going to their various Towns and villages The road is not safe And the best way to fly Is through the airline And let's say I can tell you that a lot of people Would rather pay $150,000 To get a flight ticket to their state Rather than be on the road and be kidnapped And they have to pay $20,000,000 When you do the mass between $20,000,000 And $150,000,000 You can say that it does business sense It does not make any sense So that is why we are having this serious surge But the problem for me is that Even when you get a ticket Flying because of an issue now Because of instances where flights are delayed For 8, 9, 10, up to 12 hours To just be at the airport And you can't fly Because the planes are not available And they are delayed But added to that also I don't know Whether the Minister Had it said The NCA has just issued A directive That The weather is so bad at this period And has won airlines to be very careful In flying That means that there will be cancellation of flights Where every lucky DMS If you see what is going around the globe Especially in the United States Europe and the rest of them Because of the snow Over 80% of flights are being cancelled The flights that are not even flying Most airlines are not flying And that one is understandable But ours is man-made Especially because of that The aviation industry is finding people Over their running course Then they have no choice What we're going to have is A short call And we'll be back to the days Of ADC The EAS Bellevue Airlines crashing And go for a bit that we'll go back To the aeronautics We have to leave the conversation And we hope that we have some other time To continue where we have Actually ended it today Thank you so much Chris Cain For being part of the show this morning Yes And tell your director that he must make that money And put it to you And bring it to you personally Have a wonderful day ahead Many thanks Chris We appreciate you And that's it Chris Kede and Wando Chris Kede and Wando is an executive director African governance And leadership initiative He's been part of the process this morning We hope to have him this week All things being equal When we return It will be time for us to delve into Our first major conversation We'll look at the issue of police brutality That has continued in our country Nigeria Please stay with us