 So about a week ago, maybe a little bit more than that I talked about how I have started a new challenge using GNOME and I promise that I wasn't going to overload you guys on GNOME videos, but I do feel the need to make another one because I have to have a little bit of a rant and that's what we're Going to do today. I have some Bones to pick with the GNOME guys and specifically their desktop environment and I have a YouTube channel Therefore I have a place to pick those bones. So I think the metaphor has jumped the shark as they say But let's go ahead and talk about that today. But before we do if you leave a thumbs up on this video I'd really appreciate it. I would really help the channel. So I have some so first off I've been using GNOME now for oh, let's see. I haven't actually counted in my neo-fetch. I have it I've been using it now for 16 days and so I'm a little bit over two weeks and I Have some thoughts on it, right? So this is not my first review of GNOME Obviously, I've talked about that before and I've used GNOME many many times But this is the first time I've been using it as a physical daily driver like on my main machine with both of my monitors hooked up and all the Kit and audio stuff that goes along with my main machine. This is where I record my videos It's where I do all my writing for my main job Everything is right here on this machine that you're looking at and I can actually get rid of audacity You guys don't need to see that the whole time. This is what my GNOME looks like This is what my setup looks like after 16 days and overall in terms of customization. It's been fine I found all the extensions that I want in order to make this usable for me I talked about that mostly in the other videos. So we don't need to get into that So what I want to do today Let's talk about a few of the things that just are really really bugging me or that have bugged me over the course of the last two weeks and This is just me going to be rambling on for a little bit talking about a few of those things I have no Set number of things that I had that bugged me But we'll just jump in so first the first thing and this is this is something that's still going on I have not been able to fix so I have moved from the X org session to the Waylon session Now I wasn't planning on doing this because as you guys know about a month and a half ago Or so I made a video saying I was gonna die on that hill. I'm never leaving X or you're gonna pry it out of my cold dead hands and Yeah, here a month and a half later. I'm using Wayland. I'm not happy about it now First off the normal stuff that I have problems with Wayland don't seem to be a problem You know, I'm doing screen capture right now and it works just fine, right? You know things move around It's very very fluid. So there are some things that in leasing the GNOME land Work better on Wayland than I in previously experienced. So that's fine But the reason why I switched from X org to Wayland Isn't because I wanted to it's because I got a brand new monitor and the monitor that I got is a different resolution Much different resolution than the other monitor that I have so the monitor that you're looking at right now is 1080p the monitor that it my second monitor is a weird 28 inch LG dual up thing that actually has two monitors inside of it or that you can act as two monitors and that one's 1440p So I have two different resolutions. I have two different refresh rates going on here and it's kind of a mess right X org does not handle that well now If I put my glasses on it's fine I can leave it at the native scaling and I can read it, but I wanted it bigger So I'm gonna be showing you a Jeff here in a minute. I'll put that in an editing That shows you a couple of things that I'm having problems with so the first one is and you I didn't pause long enough for this to be A blatant but when I right click on the wallpaper to to get to like the change wallpaper settings That's usually the way that I access it You'll notice that the menu itself is really small and the thing is that it shouldn't be because I have both of those monitors Where that GIF is being recorded or that video is being recorded? I have that set up as a 200 scale factor So in genome settings if I open up going on settings here like so and then I go to display Display down here You can actually see that I have these monitors set as 200 scale and then my main monitor Which is the 32 inch here. I have set as 100 scale. So because this is 1080p. I don't need to be scaled at all So that little menu should not be little and I don't know why now I have other problems where things aren't scaled so yesterday one of the Mods in my discord server helped me figure out that the things that run on Ex-Wailand don't scale at all. So things like Crusader right now are still running in Ex-Wailand Steam obviously runs in Ex-Wailand things like Tilda and Couple other ones just don't run in Wailand natively. They run in Ex-Wailand anything that's like that don't scale at all So I'll take a picture here of Crusader on that monitor And you can see that it's still really small compared to everything else, which has been scaled up That bugs me obviously because I don't The number one thing that I want out of a computer Honestly, especially when it comes to a desktop environment is consistency and I talked about this in my last video is that it's Inconsistent and this continues to be the case and this isn't just a genome problem This is also a genome plus Wailand problem. So this is obviously caused by Wailand So that's another problem another issue and I'll show the Jeff here again or the video here again is when I open up a Application usually a genome application and I don't know if I can get it to actually show up on this machine I you or if I'm just gonna show the gif so I open up settings again Every time I open up something and this is that actually doesn't seem to matter what what actual monitor I'm on whether it's scaled up or not. It actually shows the window in a different size like when I close this It was full screen. So I close it open up settings again and There you go. What is it doing? Why is it doing that? That's just the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life And it does it with a lot of applications Sometimes even when they're not closed and open so when I come back to my computer after I you know I've walked away for a little bit and I come back and Bring it out of hibernation. I Find that the vaulty which is my main browser has gone from maximized full screen To a little bitty window and I don't know why I don't it doesn't do it in any other desktop environment It doesn't do it in a window manager. It doesn't you know, and it drives me effing bonkers It just know that's not the way things are supposed to work And it's like it has nothing to do obviously or at least it doesn't it doesn't seem to be completely to do with hibernation or sleep or whatever because you guys just saw oh I have settings open and I make it open up in a different position there. I make it I make it big make it into full screen. I close it and then I Go back and Here we go. What was it doing? What what is that? That's dumb. Don't do that. I had a full screen I always want a full screen if I that's the way I closed it now. This is not just a gunon problem Kde has the same problems sometimes they've tried to fix it with special settings in their settings sauce manager But that doesn't work all all time either. So maybe this is just Hard Maybe that's the thing and maybe this is just a hard thing But someone out there had to have coded this specific behavior He would think or at least something that they've done has caused this behavior. I don't know It's not the way that it should work and it drives me bonkers So that's one thing that the scaling issues and the windows always appearing in different places and different sizes Just absolutely drives me crazy so another problem that I've had but that I've since solved with some help with some friends is That when I have a window open So if I just open up a terminal here and then I have another window that spawns But isn't in focus so for example if I were to open up a file pager So if I'm in you know discord or I'm in the vaulty or whatever usually it's an electron app So so if I'm in to do us or the or if I'm in Discord and it's an electron app and I open up a file picker and instead of having the file picker show up on top of The application so you can actually see it it instead appears underneath it or it did I ended up having to set a Environment variable to fix that and of course I couldn't set a global variant environment variable because for whatever reason it slowed genome way down in terms of launch time Actually ended up setting an environment variable just for discord and to do is so that they would actually Launch their file pickers on top of the application instead of below it That was another thing that really really truly bothered me that ended up being a portal problem So portals Seemed to be a good idea But that was a that was a pain in the ass and it took a good hour or so to figure out Maybe even a little bit longer. So that's another thing that was really bugging me in see Here's the thing guys is that I give a lot of shit to the Katie guys for their app for their desktop environment being buggy Now I will say that Katie is still more buggy than you know But genome seems to hold itself on a pedestal a lot of people put you know upon a pedestals Oh my goodness. This is the most stable thing you've ever you're ever gonna try you're just gonna use it and You're never going to have a problem with it And when you do have a problem with everyone and their brother and I Experienced this on Macedon this morning when I tweeted about this or tutored about it when I say Genome isn't as stable as you think it is people are going to come back at you and say well Yeah, well it has to be an extension if you're having problems It's obviously an extension that's causing you the issues that is a load of bullpucky It's a little bullcrap is what it is It's not always sure now. I'm not saying that Extensions can't be the problem. They can be the problem, but they're not always the problem But the problem is is that when you go to the genome community and you say you're having some issues They're number one place to look it's always extensions. They always make the assumption that is the extension and That level of error against it feels like and maybe it's just an assumption On their part that level that it just makes it feel like they don't think that genome can do anything wrong That it's always the extensions fault. Well, I'm here to tell you It's not always the extensions fault because of the some of the issues that I've had completely remove genome settings Completing the the decomp settings for genome and remove all the extensions and it was still having the problem now that problem Turned out to be something that was my fault But it just kind of goes to prove that Genome can have some issues even if it's you know user-generated issues and same thing with this, you know settings thing I've disabled the Plugins or the extensions. It still does it right? I've even disabled the scaling I just went back to 100% scaling on all the monitors and Still does it right? That's not an extensions problem, right? So blaming the extensions doesn't make ever make sense to me It's not because extensions can't be bad or cause problems But assuming that it is an extension just doesn't feel like the way things should be going gone about if that makes any sense at all So so that's another area that I've had some issues with now. Let's Have some fun and talk about some of the things that I like because there have been some things That I have enjoyed while using genome first off The built-in integration for VPNs is really nice. Now. I know kde also does this so it's not a genome exclusive feature So when I turned on my vpn using wire guard up here in the Icon section it actually showed me that I was in fact connected to a vpn Which was really nice. It also allowed me to control it now one thing I will warn you is that if you use the terminal to start your vpn up And then proceed to turn it off with their handy dandy button here in the quick access settings You're going to break things your internet's not going to work anymore I tried that if you want the vpn to work Completely in the gooey you'll have to set that up separately because it just is the way that it works You can't kind of mix and match there. So that's That's just kind of the way that it works. That's not a genome thing But it was nice having the little icon up there saying hey, you because oftentimes when I connect to my vpn I have to I actually have a script that pings a Server off in wherever and it will tell me if i'm connected This way I have an icon that says hey, you're connected to a vpn. That was nice another thing that I've really enjoyed Is having The icons up here tell me when screens being recorded when the microphone is active I do a lot of videos. I do a lot of recording and podcasts and stuff like that and sometimes i'm a dumbass and I Forget to turn off audacity for recording or I forget to stop obs from recording Having an icon up there saying hey, your microphone is still live. That's nice That's not something that other desktop environments do just to go backwards and talk about a negative aspect a little bit And this is not that big of a deal But it's definitely something that you should keep in mind if you're going to use you know, is that this thing is a memory hog I have never used this much memory in my entire life outside of using city skylines Which usually uses about 20 gigabytes or at least dead back in the day Like on a huge city in city skylines, I'd use like 20 gigabytes right now if you can see up here in vitals I'm using 14.9 and the thing is is that you think that well, yeah, matt you're recording you have audacity You know bs, you know recording and stuff that's going to take a lot of memory Of course, that's what you'd think but if I were to close those and stop recording that number doesn't go down It ranges between 13 and 17 gigabytes completely now. I do have things open right? I have steam open right now, but even if I were to close steam Let me go ahead and close it and we'll see how much that goes actually goes down We'll see it's it may go down like a gigabyte or two, but it stays really really high It went out of 14 Okay, so it's still going it's still at 14. That's with steam closed Now a lot of that seems to be the vaulty the vaulty uses more memory in gnomes for some reason than it does In something like xmo and nand or q-tow Why that is I don't know. It's really weird That's probably more of a the vaulty problem than gnomes problem But I noticed it here now for me personally that's not a big deal I have 64 gigabytes of ram and unused ram is pointless. So use all the ram you want gnomes You're not going to scare me But for someone who only has like 16 gigabytes of ram in their computer and they experienced this problem You're gonna have some problems, right? So that was another issue that I I faced and I wanted to point out before we got too far into the positives Don't want to be too positive. That'd be bad Another thing that I really enjoyed was that there's an extension that allows you to show Your your clipboard. I'm not going to show that just in case there's a password in there, but that's there. That's really nice It means that I didn't have to set up clip clip menu d Which is something that I usually do in a window manager. So that was set up. That was nice I do seem to be kind of going back and forth between positives But there's another negative that I want to talk about real quick. I'm sorry. There's just so much Uh, I have not been able to find a terminal that I enjoy on you know First off some of it is because no matter how many times I open it up I still can't get it to stay full strain, which is still just Dumb as hell But whatever this is kitty. This is what I use in a window manager But as you can see it doesn't really work all that well in weyland. It has the bar along the top I don't know if you can get rid of that. I haven't really looked into it the gnomes Uh terminal thing like so I don't care for this like at all Maybe if I went and themed it and just made it look more proper and spent some time actually making it look good It'd be fine, but I've had some problems with gnomes terminal where Some things just won't work. So I use nc spot watch it launch this time and oh, of course it worked this time I don't The last few times I tried in in gnom terminal. It didn't even launch it just sat there and completely hung maybe the spot If I was having some problems So maybe that's not the issue that I thought it was so I've I've also tried black box And black box looks like this and I get errors Um, I downloaded as a flat pack some of some of those are flat pack errors Uh, I didn't really look into it because I just give up, you know, if you're going to give me errors I don't want you I also tried I also have a lacquerie installed So this is what a lacquerie looks like that actually looks better than kitty So I might actually use that and then I also have another one to install I have tilde installed if I can spell which I can't so tilde is what I've been using as a drop down terminal and It it's fine It's definitely not something that works well with wayland So I've had some issues finding a terminal that I enjoy using that has the proper gooey Kind of aesthetic so kitty does not have any gooey at all And I've been using that I would if I'm going to enrich myself into the gooey ecosystem of gnom I wanted one that actually, you know has a gooey So I was thinking about gnom terminal that one's had some problems Maybe I'll give it a try because it looks like it's going to actually work now black box has those errors A lacquerie is kind of like kitty doesn't have a gooey. So there's there's a couple other one. There's Tilex, I don't think it's been updated in a very long time So despite the fact that I used to really like it. I don't think I'll be able to use it And I don't think that it works well in wayland There's another one called like terminator. Maybe that has that is really old I don't know if it's still updated or not. That's been around for a very long time So maybe I'll try that but I've been having some troubles finding a terminal that I enjoy using in gnom It's fine. I haven't been using it as much as I usually do because Looky here. I have I have emacs. I have been messing around with emacs. I'm on an emacs challenge along with this I'm not making another video about emacs At least until the end of the challenge. So I'm not gonna bore you with that But that's beside the point. Also, I'm pretty sure there was one hell of a delay there on the the I don't know that didn't I just kind of cut out on my eye that where the I closed it on one screen And it took like a minute to close on the OBS preview, but whatever. That's beside the point All right, so some positives some negatives my biggest issues right now Go back to the beginning are the windows not opening up the same size each time that bugs this crap out of me but also the The inconsistent scaling on the scaled monitor is just the stupidest thing And just kind of goes to prove That wayland isn't ready now As a lexie said in my discord the other day try doing scaling at all on xorg and I said to she Because you can't scale it all on xorg very easily at least not on different monitors. So I guess that's a good point. But still this feels not ready for me It is it is but I'm continuing to use wayland. I'm giving it a try. We'll see how that it works Uh, I've been asked to try either the kde version of wayland or a wayland compositor and see if I have some of the same issues My worry And this is where I'll end the video is that if I go into Another desktop environment or especially if I go into a window manager I'll never return to kanom in my entire life Because ladies and gentlemen As muda would say I miss window managers like a lot a lot Like I I never when at at the end of the six months challenge with kanom if if I make it that long I'm hoping to make it that long if I make it that long at the end of the day At the end of that day. I will really never ever ever ever ever Want to use kanom again, and I've only been using it for 16 days. I still like I still have like 160 to go I think there's like 180 days in six months or something like that So I'm not even I'm not even close. I'm not even a month in I'm half a month then And I'm already feeling like this. I can't even imagine where I'm gonna be in a month or two months or five months I'm probably gonna want to just murder all the genomes All out there all the gnomes out there. I never want to say garden gnome again either. So yeah, I See the thing is that gnome isn't bad I know I've spent a whole video talking about all the gripes that I have But similar with kde. I always have problems with kde as well. I always talk about this, right? I love kde but kde's buggy When you like something you do criticize it And the thing is like I like kde a lot better. So I criticize it more With gnome. I don't like it at all Like not even a little bit. I like some things about it, but it's really not my cup of tea or cup of coffee, whatever But I still criticize it because there's just some things about it that just really really truly bug me and I'm gonna do that. That's just the way that I am. So that's it for this video If you have thoughts on gnome or whatever you can leave those in the comment section below I know that gnome works perfectly for a lot of people and a lot of you out there I've heard from people in my comment sections. I'm mastered on on discord You're all gnome people and you really really like gnome. It works really really well for you Some of you silly fools out there like using gnome without any extensions whatsoever You like vanilla gnome and you just use it. I don't understand you And I don't think we can be friends. I'm sorry Vanilla gnome for me is just a no-go completely. Like there's just something like I have to have like just purely just One extension bringing the panel up so that I can always see it somewhere along the line Whether it's you know all the way across the top all the way across the bottom as a mac doc Whatever, I don't care what it looks like but having it hidden away where I actually have to press a button to get to it I don't like it. So I have an extension to fix that and that's good that I can fix it But if I were to force you to vanilla gnome, I would have already failed the challenge because I hate it I can't stand vanilla gnome. I've managed to make this usable for me and I'm okay in it I'll make it through the six months, but if it was vanilla gnome, I would have been done ages ago So that's it for this video if you haven't already leave a thumbs up on this video if you're still watching all the way to the end I really appreciate it. 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