 When you guys first started it's it's not your dream to create a restaurant. No it's not. No so our family we have three siblings one took the path that everybody you know the favorite kid she went on became a dentist then I was in public health and my brother was studying medicine and so we all knew we did not want to open up a restaurant we did not want to follow our family's path and then when our dad passed away in 2010 it kind of shook our family and our parents had a restaurant in the spot for 18 years and up the street for another 15 so like 30 something years all together it's a family business so they've been they've been having we've been selling pho pushing noodles throughout our childhood we knew we didn't want to go down that path because we saw how hard they work well for sure and when our dad passed away that really shook our family and it shook my brother the most because um he didn't actually have a chance to cope and and and you know he was in his early 20s in medical school and when he saw like what he what he saw was life is short life is short um you gotta follow your passion so he dropped out of medical school and he said he was gonna come back and take over the family restaurant so we you know hit our head against the wall a few times and then decided okay we're gonna support you and um came back and started sketching and planning and dreaming and um boring loans and yeah that's crazy now that you guys decided to build this you know what you're gonna go all in tell me the struggles tell me that you know what you're telling me about your 18 hour days 20 hour days I'm an optimist so you'll hear like the really quoted silver linings through me because I like to recall the good stuff right but I swear I was crying you know like things in shamble we like we there were moments where it was my my mom my brother and I in the back alley hugging each other and saying we we need to give up or we have to give up so those so the first year it was really tough it was really tough just it was a lot on the same you know because you you have a team to a team to lead you have guests to to um to really engage and yeah it was tough and that's with 33 years of experience right um but you know with anything now looking back we're so glad we did it right I mean anything that's worth worth it in life whether it's marriage or a business it requires work and the harder it is the the the the sunshine after the rainbow after it's real what was the first sign of success for you guys what was the first time you're like oh this is it this is it we we've got it okay the turning point so the turning point so we thought we wanted to like elevate cuisine like Vietnamese cuisine we wanted to like have a really beautiful dining room but what was the what was the success was I think our first year and at our team our annual um team dinner having that group I thought was the biggest byproduct and the proudest byproduct of opening up a restaurant was like all the people that we've gotten on board to be a part of our family who you know is um you know who count on us for you know and then we count on them and and and that that was the moment where I was like wow we we did something incredible because this became a platform where we were building people right it was it's not about it being at that moment it was not about the restaurant the food or the drinks it was about building leadership in community gathering people and growing our family right it was yeah it was that point I felt so happy yeah that the struggles doesn't matter because look at all these lives that we're changing and they change our lives every day right still till this day five years later that's probably our biggest achievement is our team beautiful that's that's amazing I think like that's the common theme of all the successful restaurant owners that I talked to like they're all saying that it's not the customers it's always the staff it's always the family that they were able to build nurture and power and grow and that became their biggest asset it's like an extension of themselves of what they truly believe in their values and that trickles down to the customers that they are able to impact the community yes so I think like that's spot on like you you're telling us that's exactly what it is yeah