 Hello, and welcome to Release Date Rewind. My name is Marc J. Parker, and I am a film lover, filmmaker, film celebrator. And normally this is an audio podcast, wherever you get your podcasts on your favorite apps. But thanks to Portland Media Center, you are about to watch the video component of this show where I celebrate movie anniversaries with my friends. Each month I usually talk about two different movies that I love with different friends, and we talk about the making of the movies, Trivia, any fun memories associated with them. So I hope you enjoy, because now it's time to rewind. We're live from the Kit Closet. Yeah, Kit Closet, and Laurel New Jersey, right? Oh, I love it. I like the more loud New Jersey. Two Jersey kids talking about a Jersey movie. A Jersey movie. You know, it's funny because we saw this movie. I'm sure we saw it together. I think we did. First of all, hold your role, Kit Sheehan. I need to tell everyone who you are, not that I mean they already know you. You're famous. Obviously. But everybody, my pal of many years. Let's think real quick. It's got to be, I think it's maybe 22 years going on. Yes. Yeah, it's probably about 22 and a half. It is, because that's because my mom just sold her house, and we have been friends since like the month that I moved into our house. That's right. Oh my God. Absolutely. Yeah. So everybody, welcome back to the pod. My friend Kit Sheehan. Hello, Kit. Hi, everyone. Hi, Kitty Kat. Hey. She is right now in a closet in her mom and dad's new apartment in, like she said, Mount Laurel New Jersey. She's visiting from Hollywood, a Hollywood in South Jersey. What are we going to do? We always were. We always were. Still are, right? I love that you are back in Jersey and we're talking about this movie that's set in Jersey that we first saw in Jersey. There's a lot of Jersey happening. Right? I mean, it must be because now we live near the mall and I am sure this was one of our parents dropped us off at the mall because this is a hard PG-13. I am so glad you said that, because I admit I am a little prudish. Of course, I like some of the dirty, you know, speaking of dirty, I'll come back to that, but keep that word in your mind for a bit, everyone. But you know, of course, I like when things, but you know, obviously I like it when things get a little twisted. I mean, you know, wild things. I'm wearing a Cruel Intentions t-shirt, I didn't have a swim fan t-shirt. Sorry. This was the next best thing. But you know, I still feel like I'm a little prudish and rewatching this for the first time in years. I'm sure it hadn't been since theaters. I'm sure I saw it at least once or twice in between, right? But it had been a long time, at least a decade, right? And yeah, I mean, this is a hard PG-13 and we were only, we were, we were at the start of our sophomore years. So what were we? Maybe around 15. We were. And I noted that she was, and fans of the show don't tell everyone my age, but we're going to reveal it right now. They were swim fan 85, yeah, retracted, she was swim fan 85. And I was thinking while watching it, I was like, they're supposed to be two years older than us. Like they are happy. I have written down like they're like intimate, like adults, like they are very comfortable with intimacy, which like we were not, you know, we played spin the bottle all the time. But at the same time, like we were not having free for all Michael Douglas affairs with each other. I know. Mini Michael Douglas. Awkward. I know. I know. By the time we were 17, more things were happening. Yeah. Either we were doing them or others around us were doing them. But yeah, that's funny. It is kind of crazy. But like that everyone there was having like clueless, speaking of clueless love, love shares dad's appearance. Love him. I know. That's so funny. Dan Hadea, love you. Love you. Clueless connection there. And a clueless connection in my mind, Kitchie, and I love that we are on the same wavelength. Connection in my mind during the big moment, the pool sex scene, whoa, I kept thinking of Dion of Stacy Dash in my head, saying to, I think it's too high. Murphy. Yeah. It's a tie, right? Yeah. Have you ever done it in water? Right. Yeah. She's like, you have to. I did it. Right. She's like, duh. And so as I'm watching this very sexy, surprising scene. They're not hiding a lot of it. It's not like artfully done. I mean, they are doing it up against the side of the pool, water splashing, right? Yes. And all I could think of was Dion. Just a joke. Have you ever done it in water? Right? Yeah. It's so funny because I didn't even make that connection, the clueless connection, but I did write down, what did I, I wrote down dry ass pool sex because pool sex, as many of our loyal fans may not like, it's water is going to make it, like you better have some lube if you're going to go crazy. Right. Too much water would actually. And chlorine. And all of. Oh, chlorine. Oh my God. We have to tell everyone, what did you write in your email yesterday? All of my notes. I'll be ready with all my recording stuff in Elburns' new walking closet. And all my notes about our favorite chlorinated psychosexual teen thriller. The sexiest chlorinated movie since Wild Things, baby. And it's so true. I didn't even think about the Wild Things pool scene. Absolutely. It's so is. And I saw that with you. The only time. I mean, I've seen like parts of it on TV, but the only time. Yeah, it was, it was after we had been swimming in your pool. And we were like, I'm sure we fancied ourselves like very mature, like very mature for 13. Oh my God. And yeah, we watched Wild Things and Ordered Dominoes. And honestly, I mean, does it get any better than that? No. A pool in Jersey. Like we lived. Dominoes, Wild Things acting like you were way older and way cooler. I would love to have been a fly on the wall looking at us. And we thought we were hot shit when we were probably still in Paris. We probably still have races. Yeah. Oh. I think we might maybe both did have races being like, yeah. Probably. It only makes it better. And we get to high school. We're going to have full sex with like. I think with the pool, both in both movies and any movie. Those are so kind of. Showgirls. Sexy. What? Oh, does showgirls have a pool scene? Oh my God. If you haven't rewatched showgirls, like we have to find out whenever that one comes out because we have to. Oh, yeah. I think it's a masterpiece. I think Paul Virhoeven is like a master of schlock. Like I think he has something to say. Wow. But even I feel like there was even a pool scene and she's all that around this time. Like. The blue. They put her into the pool. Oh, did they? Okay. That one's a little less sexy then. No, but they always, they did and there's and like music videos like Sugar Ray. Oh yeah. It's always either like, it's so like, take me there, whether it's sexy or just like so perfectly cool, you know, but I think it has to do with that blue light. Oh yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Oh yeah. It's the light. It's that enchanting. You can smell the chlorine too in the underground, like the indoor pools. You can instantly. I was like, oh, it's like the community house that was our town pool. Oh yeah. Where at least you're like, all right, it should smell because hopefully it's cleaning everything. But do I want to have sex in it? No, but these two did. Ben Cronin, Farley had it all. Scouts are coming next week. It might actually happen, huh? Yeah. Can you picture it? Good friends. Oh, break a wall. I just remember why we broke up jobs. She couldn't handle me in bed. And a bright future. So Madison Bell, dude, she is so smoking hot. You know I'm playing on here in that little Southern accent when she moans my name. This is a movie that you watch for fun because it's bananas. Oh, it's bananas. And you know, I have to tell you, Kit, obviously we know this movie is not good, but it is so entertaining. Like I was rewatching it by myself and I literally said out loud, like halfway through I said, oh my God, this movie is so good. Like it's meant to just get you excited, maybe in more ways than one. And it's just an entertaining hour and 20 minutes, maybe 22 minutes, because then there's credits, right? I mean, it's just it's so fast to. I think they could have shaved a couple of minutes off too. Do you think so? See, I disagree with you. Of the pacing of the pacing. There could be a couple of minutes. I'm like, we could there were just times that I was like, this doesn't need to be this scene, like that we don't need to have a scene of her looking at this or looking at that. But I could have done with like some more exposition like I could have added some more of that. I totally agree with you because the camera lingers. Like we were saying before we started, you know, on some some silent looks where it's like, we got it in five seconds. It speaks volumes, but then it goes on for like 20, you know? So there's a lot of those. But yeah, I would love a little bit more exposition. I actually would love if she wasn't so brand new and maybe she like actually came to his swim meets and started seriously stalking him because they they meet and do it in like the span of like a day or two. Right. I think it's like that day. Yeah, like doesn't. Yeah, you like these are at school and helps her with the locker and then like almost runs into her on the street. Yes, I will say both watch rewatching this. And then I had never seen fatal attraction. This is obviously. Oh, you had never seen it. In within the past year is the first time I have seen it. So I have I had seen it a couple months ago before I knew that we were going to swim fan. Oh, good. It's fresh in your mind. Good. Yes. Yes. So I knew I had like a functioning knowledge of it. And I had seen swim fan. We had seen it together when we were kids. Of course. And what I remembered, the idea of both of those was like, this woman is crazy. This woman is like out of control and stuff. And what I gleaned, it's not that these both of those women are not a little crazy and out of control, but both with swim fan and with fatal attraction. I'm like, oh, but you're just like asking for it, though, to the guys. Like I'm not not to victim blame, but like you were just like, hey, can we just like do this? Could I get like everything I wanted? And like exactly following her. This guy, Ben, Ben, like he's following her. He almost hits her because he's looking to see if the other girl is her. It looks like her hair. Like you have a girlfriend that you love. This isn't like a trap, like a trip. And like you're dick entered her. Like totally. Exactly. That's why I kind of wish like they had a few more moments, maybe at least over the span of a week. That's still pretty I don't know. In my world, that's still pretty brand new to have sex with someone. But OK, call me old fashioned, everybody, especially at like 17. Yeah, I'm 17. So I did this once or like whatever, you know, yeah. But I would have loved her to see her in the crowd and like, oh, he's like, who's that? And like his buddies can be like, oh, yeah, she's new. She started on Monday. It's it's Wednesday. Like, you know, let's give a little time there to build so that we actually maybe can start to understand why he's into her a little bit. You know what I mean? I think that'd make it a little bit more interesting. And then also the end, I swear to God, because I rewatched it on Hulu. Maybe you did too. Yes, me too. But the whole last act, I'm like, was this edited for like a plane ride? Like we are. I was getting whiplashed. I mean, even and I know we're fast forwarding a bit, we can definitely pick pick apart things. But yeah, that famous shot when she throws Sheary Applebee into the water. Amy, yeah, I remember. I remember that so well. It's a big it was in the trailer and everything, right? But like, whoa, can we let things breathe a touch? Because like, whoa, we cut to him. And now we're just he just got there and you're right. And then even literally the ending, the ending, which I actually always liked and it stuck with me. I loved how abrupt it was when he gets in the car. They're back together. He is not a swimmer anymore. So even after Madison dies, he still doesn't have everything again, which I do like that, you know, he had to lose something. But he gets in the car and he kisses her hand and they're driving and it just abruptly cuts. I did always like that last shot. But even that whole bit, I'm like, whoa. So OK, he's not a swimmer. Is he going to? Yeah, how? How is he handling having killed somebody? Not saying he didn't have to. But how is that how? Like, how is that hitting his 18 year old mind? Totally, totally. And like, give me at least a moment between him and coach Dan Hadea. Like, at least like a sorry, I thought you were doing all this shit. And like, yeah, good guy. Thanks for coming. And like, were they able to? I guess they would have been because they got her on camera. And that ridiculous confession. Oh, my God, we'll get to it. Hold on to that because we will get to it because I have. I wrote in my notes. I was like, yeah. Huh, is that enough? Like, yeah, it's like 100 percent not. Like, if Robert Durst can say, what did I do? Kill them all, of course. Like, if that can be argued that no, he was just being a sotero. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Kit, I now so badly want to re-edit that scene with Jesse Bradford screaming into Erica Christensen's ear. I'm like, geez, I hope she had like an earplug in there. Also like hitting on her, like he like at one point he like opened his mouth and like ate her hair and I'm like, either the actor had a crush on her and he couldn't help himself. They were feeling each other maybe and he was like, I can't or he is. And there are many points throughout where I'm like, did you want to turn her on? How are you going to grab somebody by a throat and then go, good girl? And expect her to not be like, OK, so now I'm getting mixed messages. Now I think you're into me again. Like, yeah. You're so right. Yeah, he does. All the time. He's still kind of sexual. He does sort of like being, yeah. Oh, that's because he like has a right. It's not his beautiful, perfect girlfriend. It's this horrible chick who did this and is like a slut. You're doing bad things to me. So I'm going to do bad things to you and I like it. And I think you like it. And we like it. Stop doing it. But I'm going to keep doing it. But I'm going to do it because I'm in a position of power until it gets too real and you're going to prison. I mean, she escalate with the murder of the people. Oh, that'll do it. Oh, yeah. Oh, we have to go through all of her escalations. But yeah, now I want to re-edit that scene with his friend who I don't even know that friend's name. Like, come on, give me a little bit more with that female friend with the video camera, which we saw in one shot at the party that she had the video camera. And it was in the background. I'm like, we can give her another minute of time and establish that she's got the video. You know what I mean? That's the thing. Yeah. But now I want... She's the champion Kennedy of this friend group. Exactly. Or us. Someone on Instagram, when I posted about this, they said, wait a minute, that just turned 20. I saw that in the theater. I'm like, me too. Yeah, we're old now, everybody. Like, yeah. And I use the retinol serum. Like, I know. Yeah. I can't get this stupid thing open. Do you think you could? Take a look, yeah. What's the letter for, Ben Cronin? The letter is for swimming. Are you good? I'm okay, yeah. But he never imagined. What are you doing here? One moment. Okay, I want you to... Could change everything. Now I'm gonna just backtrack just a touch and I want to set the scene for you and everybody because I always think it's so fun to, especially with you and at this age, we were at the movies all the time. We had our finger on the pulse of pop culture. So you might get a kick out of what was happening at this time before we get into more details. So this movie came out wide, September 6th, 2002. We had just started school, back to school. That's the theme of my September episodes. So this is what was going on at the time. Kelly Clarkson had just won American Idol season one just a couple of days prior. Yeah. Oh my God. Crazy, right? In the guest room, watching it upstairs because my dad would not watch it on the downstairs TV. So I had to... Oh, he was mad. He didn't want to give it up. No, he was just not a fan of American Idol, but... Yeah. I remember, I saw that finale with Sarah Dugan, Norman, maybe someone else, because it was after like summer theater. So we were at someone's house. I'm pretty sure, unless I'm getting my memories crossed. Yeah, so hello, Sarah Dugan. Haven't talked to you in a while. Hope you're well. Sarah Dugan! So yeah, Kelly just won. Serena Williams and Pete Sampras were winning the US Open at this time. Funny because Serena Williams, the Williams sisters were just there. Still, yeah. I thought this was interesting. Doris Roberts, the late great Doris Roberts, everybody loves Raymond, long time actress. She had just testified this same week in Congress about age discrimination in Hollywood. Wow. I miss that when we were younger. We were like, what are you talking about? They let people act all the time. They're in their 30s. Yeah, exactly. Let us act. Doris, get off my WB. I'm like, get out of my way. I need to watch my young teens, right? My 30-year-old teens. Yeah, my 29-year-old, 17-year-old. That's why I had to give it up for swim fan. Everyone, I looked up ages. Everyone was actually like no older than like 23, which 24 maybe, which is impressive. Which for that is impressive. Yes. And I think actually they look good. Like Jesse Bradford. I know he's like so smoking hot in this. And I know a lot of people are like, you must talk about swim fan. By the way, everyone, this won the poll for my September movies. I was surprised. I'm like, no one's gonna wanna talk about swim fan. It got like the most votes. People were like, talk about Jesse Bradford in the speedo. Yeah. So we will. But I still feel like he had the youthful face that attracts like, yeah, you know, it didn't look like, I'm like, okay, come on. It's just the way that they like acted around one another that you could tell like you guys. His friend. You've kissed before. Right, right. Oh yeah, like you seem to know what you're doing. But his friend Josh, I forget his name Clayton Crawford maybe. I know he was on some show two years ago and had a temper. But he definitely looks older. Like he's college or above, you know? But at least the main three. Jason Ritter looked young. Jason Ritter, yes. Was probably young. Love him. Love he's hilarious in drum history and another period. Oh my gosh. He's so good in everything. I love that he is with, why can I not? Melanie Linsky in real life. Did you know that? I love that. Yes, I didn't know that until recently. Amazing couple. It's all together, yeah. I totally forgot he was in this. What a great little supporting, friendly, you know, guy, it's nice cause we need him cause then his other friend Josh is like the jerk, you know, so you need the nice friend. But so yeah. So Doris Roberts was doing that on the music side. This is where Dirty comes back, ladies and gentlemen and everyone. Dirty by the one and only, Extina had just been released. Isn't that amazing? It was released like September 2nd or 3rd. So just a few days before this, I mean, what a jam. 20 year old song, right? I almost felt like that was earlier, but like the year earlier, like I almost felt like it was 8th grade but it makes sense. Maybe cause we still were like dancing to it and requesting it at like proms later. Yeah, we would never stop. You know, like I just was such a banger, but I do remember seeing Extina and Justin Timber, like when he went solo later this year on tour. So it all makes sense. I remember that Melissa and Katie went. I remember. I think it was us and I think Liz Nicholson went and there were a couple other, I think we took a limo. I mean, but why didn't you go? Did you not want to go or maybe you couldn't go? I mean, I mean, if we're going to get into it, I was not invited and I don't know why, but I remember you, me, Katie and Melissa at the American Eagle in the Morse Stone Mall. My job is to rock. And Melissa, yes, Melissa picked up like an armband and turned to Katie. She was like, you can wear this at the, and saw me come around the corner. She went, you're wetting. She was like, serenity. And I found out that you guys were coming. Oh my God. I did. I don't know why. I mean, I definitely did not get the tickets. I can't remember if maybe it was Katie or maybe Liz, but oh my God. I know. There's more drama than just the movie that we are talking about. It's happening. I also, so funny that one because I was also kind of, I was just hurt that I wasn't invited because I also like, I don't know if I would have gone, but it was, I also like didn't have to go. I wasn't like, oh my God. Justin and Christine, I just knocked over my water bottle. Oh my God. Not like when Blink 182 came by. Oh no, she's fine. She is. Blink 182, I was like, we must. After Hot In Here by Nelly was taken the charts, number one for weeks. Guess what was the number one song during this time for weeks as well. All of August and into September during this movie, Avril Lavigne's Complicated. Complicated. I mean, doesn't it just feel so right that Complicated and Swim Fan were both number one in the same week? Yes. Why do you have to go and make things so complicated? If anything, Complicated should have been in the soundtrack for this movie. It should have been the closing credits, right? Acting like you're somebody else gets me frustrated. Yes, yes. So that was it on the music side, on the TV side. Yeah. This is so funny because Kit and I have such a funny little memory of this. So on the TV side, the TV show Monk started airing that summer on the USA Channel. And so it took me a little while, but when I first met Kit and would hang out at her house all the time, your mom, Elle Burns, would call you Monk, right? Do you want to tell everyone why? I mean, it's real because I was really devout and masculine and celibate as a child. Because it's short for monkey and I was a rambunctious little baby. It's been short for monkey and she'll just Monk my whole life. And so I didn't realize how bananas it sounded. It was so bananas. And I thought, because I knew that Elle Burns didn't have any sort of speech impediment or anything off, I knew. Oh, you thought it was Monk? I thought she was saying Monk. Yeah, but like with a silent, a sort of quasi-pronounced N in the middle. Yes. So I was like, oh, she says my name a little differently. So whenever she would say Monk, I would be like, oh, yes? But you would say yes as well. So I'd be like, oh no, she's saying my name just in a funny way, Kit. Yeah. It sounds like Tommy Wiseau from The Room. I'd be like, oh, hi, Monk. Oh, hi, Monk. Is it all American men? Oh my God. Yes, yes, yes. Oh my God. Absolutely. You are so right. So yeah, so Monk was a new hit. Thanks to your mom. I love Shalube. Yeah, yes. Good old Tony Shalube. Dr. Phil had just, oh no, it was about to debut. Isn't that crazy? It was about to debut a week later, as was speaking of Jason Ritter, his dad, who everyone loved, John Ritter, just talked about him in Stay Tuned last episode. Eight simple rules for dating my teenage daughter was about to start. I remember that was a big deal at the time. Yeah. Yes. I remember, and I remember the memorials that they had when he suddenly passed. He was a great actor and a great guy. So great. Oh my gosh. And he was in a great episode of Buffy, Ted. Remember that way back in the day? Yes. And speaking of Buffy, Buffy was about to start its final season this time, September 2002. Season seven on UPN. Yeah. That makes sense. Buffy got us through like elementary and middle school. Oh yeah. Late elementary, all through middle. She saw us off. She really, you know, I do think, I mean, I know tons of people out there love Buffy, but our specific age group, those born in 87 who were interested in Buffy, what a fantastic time to have her air, you know, in our lives, right? Yes, totally. It was right there. That and the Harry Potter, we also, those also hit us being born in 87 and a really great one. They got big in the States when we were 12, and it starts when they're like 11 and it hit a couple of milestones. That's so true. Yeah, because I remember they were getting popular. Yeah, when we were in like middle school. Absolutely. You're so right. Wow. We were really lucky in that. We were born at a good time. Thanks, parents. Yeah, then we had like 9-11 and the recession. Yeah, and then like the crash as soon as we were like getting out of school and you know, yeah, then later it wasn't great, but. We made up for it. You know, it was the best of times, it was the worst of times really. Yeah. I really took corner frames. That line was written about us, yeah, for sure. So that was it on the TV side and then on the movie side, other popular movies that were playing around this time. My Big Fat Greek Wedding was in theaters for like 20 something weeks. This unseated it, right? Yes. This broke it for number one, because it was coming to the end of its tenure. That was, I remember seeing that and loving that. I was looking on box office mojo. It was the kind of movie where it would be number one and then it wouldn't for a couple of weeks, but then it would go back. Like it just wouldn't die, right? Yes. And another movie that was like that, that we definitely saw in theaters. I remember it so well. It's crazy how I can remember sitting with you in the theater and being a friendlies by the Morse Town Mall afterwards. Which is Buffalo Wild Wings now. It is, yes, I've never been. But signs, M. Night Shyamalan signs had also just come out. I remember sitting next to you watching it too. I loved, I felt like at the time I was like bummed a little bit more because I like really loved the Sixth Sense, but honestly, a signs is still pretty good. It's still pretty good, man. Yeah, I remember we like saw that and then like digested it while eating friendlies and having that Munchie Mania sampler. Yes, the Munchie Mania, oh my God. Right? Yes. How many of those do you think we ate in our whole lives? At least, do you think we shared at least like 50? I would say it's around 50. It could be a little bit more, honestly. I love that you were my friendlies buddy. I mean like we went to friendlies with a bunch of people but like I feel like Kit and I probably- But like we always meant friendlies. It just was so good. And you would always order so politely. You would say, I'll have a cup of your chicken noodle soup every time. I mean it was good. That soup is so good. And it was, yes. And then I used to get there when I, I guess I was still eating meat and then they had that ranch burger that like ran up. Oh yeah. It was good. Their food was good. I know there's really not, probably not much for us now. I know, the chicken fingers are big. Oh, the chicken fingers in my jam. Oh my God. Anyway, yeah. I love a side salad and grilled cheese. Yeah. Oh my God. Yes. When you hear your family. Because. Thanks so much for watching. Next week will be part two of this discussion. And in the meantime, please follow Release Date Rewind on Instagram.