 We are welcoming you to our webinar to discuss SARMS through RP round 4. So this is a the same presentation that we delivered through regional workshops recently and We're just taking this opportunity now to give you a webinar version. We appreciate not everybody can make it to a regional workshop So the format for today we're going to run through the presentation itself and then there's opportunity at the end Just to run through answers to your questions. The way this works is you can submit your questions at any time throughout the presentation What we do at our end is we just note them down and then we run through them We're also going to take a recording of the webinar so we can make the link available Will be sent to you directly and that way you can share it with your colleagues Etc. Again trying to get to people who just can't make it to the webinar today And we're also going to ask you to complete a really quick survey at the end Take about one minute of your time and this just helps us to develop Future webinars and ways of communicating. Okay, so today's webinar is your presenter is Ben Fee from Pearser. So Ben has been involved with the SARMS program right from the start and It's here to talk to you today about round 4 So there's contact details at the end of this presentation for the SARMS team if you need to get in touch directly But again, there's opportunities to ask questions throughout so now I'm going to pass over to Ben and He'll kick off the presentation on SARMS. Hello. Thank you to everyone for looking in today a good opportunity for us to Deliver the message across to those people who couldn't make it to the information sessions Which we delivered a couple of weeks ago up in the Riverland and down in the River Murray region Around Murray Bridge and also down to Langhorn Creek I'm just going to be going through the Presentation a bit quicker than we go through during the sessions out on the ground Obviously a different form of interaction. So bear with me I will flick through a few slides a bit quicker than we had previously But that Q&A session at the end will hopefully give us a chance to Catch up on any questions that you might have that weren't clear and there's always a chance to contact our regional support officers at any time to Fair the clarified anything that you have heard that hasn't been fully understood. So getting straight into it our South Australian River Murray Sustainability Program is a $265 million program and is really the irrigation industry improvement program element Which was driven through the Basin Plan Which it's the 240 million dollar program that is to return 40 gigalitres of water To the River Murray environment as part of South Australia's commitment to the Basin Plan So you'll see on the right-hand side of your screen We've got number four the irrigation industry improvement program and it's been delivered through three investment streams A irrigation efficiency, which we had $80 million allocated to water returns at $40 million in irrigation industry assistance at $120 million. Obviously we've been whittling away at that cash as we've gone through the previous rounds one two and three To focus on these three streams and we've had available under irrigation Efficiency the on-farm and off-farm sort of more traditional irrigation efficiencies Opportunities, but we've also offered through this program the three IP A new suite of activities that could result in water savings Primarily we started was looking at the notion of changing crop types from a high-water use crop to a low-water use crop and also Changed the configuration of those crops sometimes results in the water saving as well The industry has been innovative which has been fantastic and come back with a few new techniques as well and In particular netting has been something that we've seen implemented through rounds one two and three which has actually resulted in some pretty significant water savings and productivity benefits The water returns element which has been fully expended Which is no longer available in our round for round four. Sorry of the trape Just included a straight water purchase element But what that meant was that whether you came in through our stream one or stream two You'd be returning water to the program by returning water to the program You would then have access to stream three So you can have a full mix of all of these various Streams, but you couldn't simply go for stream three the irrigation industry Stream without having returned water through either streams one and two So once you're returning water through stream one and two You take those boxes in effect. You can enter into stream three Which really was where we focused on the business elements and this was all developed up in particular through the water industry alliance and great Work that was being done by industry Around the development of the base and plan with state government What is the alliance made sure that the industry's interests were conveyed and they have definitely been conveyed through the 3rp And it was really the stream three element irrigation industry assistance element That brought life to the more business side within South Australia Supporting business development and growth noting that we're already a fairly efficient state in relative terms against the rest of the basin So you can do all kinds of activities underneath this stream You can reconfigure each project and go into the market areas We've seen some training of skills, but the biggest area that we've really seen Being developed is the value add type of area within irrigation industry assistance packing sheds Packing equipment and a call rooms those types of things have been really significant in this space Plus this provides a bit of extra funding to leverage the more expensive activities such as netting So moving on We've made some pretty good progress throughout time With our rounds as you can see pretty much on an annual basis. We've had a round available and Rounds one two and three Ultimately has resulted in the figures that you now see on screen. We've offered around a hundred and seventy seven million dollars Out to a hundred and eighty six projects with some significant co-investment and jobs creation which has resulted for us in About eighty seven percent just it's eighty seven and a half percent of our water return target having been met So we're just under thirty five gigalitres of water on offer to the program Returning to the environment out of our total for a gig we've gone right throughout the region through rounds one and two and three and You can see that there's a fair amount of Projects that we deliver up around the Riverland region. It's about eighty percent of the projects Which actually kind of fits with the split that we've seen in water license volumes and also productivity between the Riverland area and the So below lock one Murray lands areas So we have had a reasonable distribution of funding right throughout which has resulted in some pretty significant works Across a number of industries and in particular with plantings. We've seen and some real increases in the traditionals grapes been quite interesting we've seen pulling out of the less marketable varieties and replacement with more marketable varieties and We've had growth in a new a few new areas Various for example, we've got some blueberries and the rest that have been put in which is great and obviously almonds have been Going gangbusters as well. So we've been happy to accelerate those various areas of industry It's been an interesting story over time with the the 3rp the demand was extremely high in rounds one and two and As I mentioned earlier that we have now run out of that stream to funding that actually occurred in round two So you'll see in the round two column there if you look at the reserve list number We actually had 29 reserve list projects that we weren't able to invite through to funding Just simply because they were looking for stream two and three funding And we had run out of the stream to funding at that stage which was around September or was September of 2015 We did go back and seek for some flexibility in our funding model and we weren't able to get that So unfortunately those projects and we're not able to be funded We then went to round three without our stream to funding available And you can see a significant drop-off in the amount of demand With 41 odd expressions of interest for round three What was also happening at a time there was some uncertainty around the allocations Water allocations for that year started off at a low allocation and built and there was also a change in the The market ability a market position sorry of a number of the commodities With some securing of those markets, which was positive which meant the people The perhaps less motivated to attend apply for around three What we're seeing with round four at the moment as we're Just over halfway through the expression of interest period is really significant interest Which has been great because we are saying it's the last round And it is the best value that we've ever had an offer and you'll see in a slide coming up that Despite the low number of round three participants. They actually had the best value in terms of dollars per mega liter out of any of the rounds To our funding over time just to give you a sense of where that funding was expended Really if you focus on the yellow elements in this graph there the round two proposals that we received through and stream one two and three irrigation efficiency water returns and the industry assistance element that was Really in round two we expanded the water returns element Let us to around three we can see in the green you had less demand, but what you can see is the blue Is the remaining funding that we've got for round four, which is 37 million dollars to achieve around five Big letters of water terms which does result in a very high water Dollar per mega liter rate Which we are happy to have an offer in the last round the highest amount that we've ever had Um in terms of the water returns you can see Once again, obviously the stream to the water returns element The volume of water that we could achieve we've actually gone Right to the amount of water that we needed to achieve a little bit beyond in water returns. You just see Here that our target we've actually gone just a bit above it in the the right hand column there in the yellow That water has not been returned to the Commonwealth government that still sits with the states considered to be state water What that does is provide us a bit of insurance policy going forward for how we might Achieve our target if we don't get what we need in round four And stream one you can see the blue element is what we need to achieve under our current round round four And we would hope to achieve that if we do end up achieving that and go a little bit beyond we've worked with industry and Kept to the plan if you like And made sure we delivered this in good faith So if we do end up going beyond 40 gigaleters, we will make sure we go back to industry and say hey, look, we've got some extra water here What would we all like to do with this extra water? So that is commitment. We've always had and we'll keep sticking to that Just in terms of the dollars available over time Coffee the dot on the right hand side there. That's the Commonwealth on farm for the irrigation efficiencies program That's the rate that they currently have an offer In effect what we started off in round one was around five thousand dollars per megaliter That's what people actually came at us with we did have Above that we were saying it was about five and a half thousand dollars per megaliter People opted in an average of about five thousand dollars per megaliter just above Round two it was just below five thousand dollars a megaliter Which was in part skewed by us not being able to take up those 29 reserve list projects And that would have come out to a fairly similar just above five thousand dollars per megaliter if they're included And then you can see as I said before round three we had very few applications come through but They got by far the best value for money per project What's great is in round four because we've managed the budgets pretty well That we've now got the seven thousand one hundred and twenty five dollars per megaliter available per project And that's an average a project May wish to put in a higher Dollar per megaliter price, but that will reduce the competitiveness of that project because the value for money is a consideration in our competitiveness assessment If obviously a project goes below the seven thousand one hundred twenty five dollars per megaliter, then that is something that Would increase the competitiveness of a proposal So there is a lot of information on this slide apologies But it is available on our website and as we said earlier this video of this presentation will also be available On the website a link through from our site So please if you need to revisit these slides do so at any time through our website but really what this is trying to say is that In order to participate you need to be able to return water and we call that eligible WAE which is the eligible water access entitlement which relates to those water access entitlements in the SA area for my region Which are class 3a and b which are irrigation licenses and then one four and five which are stock and domestic Recreation industry water so we'll accept any of those classes water. So if you hold that water on license and You're able to return at least 10 megalitres is the minimum to our program then We're happy to fund to consider an expression of interest for funding We don't want to see people leaving the industry. We really want to support those people wishing to stay in the industry And as you'd hopefully you'll be aware We actually open our expressions of interest in the 20th of march And we do really want those projects to be completed within 18 months But we would prefer to receive an expression of interest that States they can't meet that target of being Project completion occurring within 18 months would actually prefer to receive that expression of interest than to not We'll use that as evidence that there are projects that will go over The dates that we've got available obviously running around for pushes us back in our program timeline Um, and so please do submit if you are looking at going beyond 18 months have a chat with your regional support officer or any of our staff And we encourage you to submit an expression of interest and put in a realistic timeline for completion So irrigation efficiency stream one, uh, we need you to return at least 50 percent of your Your water savings and the amount of water that you do return to us is considered in the competitiveness assessment Um, that water in terms of the price, um, we've made it very clear in this round that we do have a set water price We're saying that it's two thousand nine hundred and fifty dollars per megaliter You know the current market price has been just around just below three thousand dollars per megaliter for the irrigation entitlements That may come down over time. We won't reduce our price. Our price will remain at two thousand eight hundred and fifty dollars per megaliter throughout this round and um, you're able to access up to 2.5 times that market rate if you do have genuine water savings through irrigation efficiency activities So that actually takes you up to our magic mark of seven thousand one hundred and twenty five dollars per megaliter that you can achieve entirely through stream one You want those water access entitlements to be transferred through to, um Our program by the end of 2017. So we're asking for those to occur in november december of 2017 There's no water returns stream two funding available for this round And irrigation industry assistance stream three is available But you must obviously be returning water in order to participate in stream three get access to that funding And the limitation is that you can access 50 cents of stream three funding for every dollar that you're asking for through stream one Now, um, that ultimately means that you can go above an average price of seven thousand one hundred and twenty five Dollars per megaliter Um, that's fine. You can go above that. We're giving people the ability to do that because it is a competitive process Dollars per megaliter is not the only consideration that we have in the competitiveness process and i'll go through that a bit more Down the track and you'll see all the activities against these outline within our guidelines So we really do ask that you go and you have a look at our program guidelines For round four which are available on the website So a little bit of reiteration here and i'll quickly flick over this Um, we are really wanting to Just confirm and reaffirm that the dollars per megaliter In terms of stream three You can achieve 50 cents out of every dollar being asked for through stream one And we do really need to have eligible water access entitlement Being returned to us. Otherwise you can't participate Um Your allocation if you do return water entitlement, which is the permanent water to us your allocation Which is the temporary water on an annual basis will be available to you as it has been in previous rounds For the rest of that water use a year. So if you do return water to us in november in 2017 You'll be able to use the allocation Attributed to that entitlement right through until the rest of the financial year. So right through until june 2018 The expression of interest form we normally go through that in the The information sessions won't go through that today If you do have any concerns around the expression of interest form how to fill it out There are a number of prompts throughout the expression of interest form But our regional support officers will be able to help you in going through that And the links are available on our website to be able to access that expression of interest form We also do have some usb devices that are Required to submit additional information So if you do submit an expression of interest or if you wish to Please do contact us on the numbers that are provided on our website and at the end of this presentation We'll make sure that we get a usb sent out to you as well That's to put some financial information on and to guide you there's a whole bunch of fact sheets and the rest that are included um Just to help people through our assessment process if you're to get through if we've got your financials up front We can assess things quicker and time is of the essence in this final round of through our paper So in terms of funding preferences, uh, we're really talking about the competitiveness elements now, uh of of our round four Um, we want to see as much war as possible within the given irrigation efficiencies that you can achieve We do want to see some innovation um With anything that goes into the stream three we need to see that you're able to achieve some productivity gains We want to see your business doing better Um, but the critical element that's been used to assess Throughout all of our rounds and we'll be in round four is the dollars per megawatt So we're offering an average of seven thousand one hundred and twenty five dollars per megawatt in round four The competitiveness of that proposal, um, will be largely Considered through the dollars per megawatt that you do put against the amount of Water you're returning. So if you go above seven thousand one hundred and twenty five dollars per megawatt You'll become less competitive. If you go below it, you'll become more competitive So that dollars per megawatt is important But we really really do want to see as much water being returned as possible from people in this final round And we are very interested in making sure that there are productivity gains if you enter into our stream three Irrigation industry assistant stream So they're really the three main ones that we're focused on It's the dollars per megawatt the volume of water and the productivity gains There is a process for each of the rounds that we have followed to the letter Right throughout and this is no different in round four We want an expression of interest put in where we really do compliance checks is the main thing that we do in that space The compliance checks are about whether you fit the rules and those rules are outlined in Not only the guidelines, but also in the expression of interest form itself Um, if you are then invited through the Through the application stage stage two Um, we will then have a much larger form that will be presented to you Which will be asking for a whole bunch of business productivity technically Supported water savings information Um, so we really do get down into the detail around the application The reason why we do that is with the expression of interest It's a really light on form We want people to entertain the idea and sometimes entering can be just a big enough hurdle in itself So we want to help people to enter through a very simple expression of interest form But then when we get to the application stage, um, you do have some time I'll go through timelines in a tick um to really consider what your proposal is in detail When we get to the stage two assessment we then take on the competitive ranking And that becomes critical around the business performance the technical Feasibility the amount of water saving and the The value for money components in particular If you get through that process, we'll send you a letter which says would you like to sign up to an agreement? Hopefully everything works out well there and you can see the agreement Which will be reflective of the milestones you put into your application form So we really do see for people to put in in your application form as accurate as possible milestones You'll see that when you get to that stage. Hopefully you'll do Um, then we'll basically put that milestone table from the application form into a deed and send that out to you to to consider Sign that off and we start delivering and hopefully everyone's happy with the outcomes And we are hearing some really good outcomes at a moment, which is fantastic from our round one two and three projects So the timeline just to give you a sense and this is getting very close to the end of the presentation We opened up the guidelines the round. So I released the guidelines open up the round in march 20th of march We are open to receive expressions of interest for Just over another week in the 21st of april We close our expressions of interest the dotted lines here show that we take all of those expressions of interest and we consider them Now once we've finished our assessment and we want to get them done very quickly We'll get back to you in may of 2017 And you'll see that the red line at the top there. They're the ones who haven't progressed through So they might not have hit the rules or the eligibility and compliance criteria Which as I said are very plainly explained in the guidelines and in the expression of interest form So for those that do get through we ask for them to submit an application And you'll have around six weeks to complete that application And then we'll take those in for assessment And once again, we'll do those assessments as quickly as we possibly can So around august september we'll get back to you with the outcomes in a letter of offer And then we'll have in september. Hopefully a funding agreement for you guys to consider And you'll see that out of those That some of those won't get through which is the orange line, but for those Green lines the successful projects that do get through We'll be asking for water to be returned as the first milestone Which is actually good because you get paid at that market rate of $2,950 per megaliter On return of the water to us on transfer of the water to us That means that you've got a bit of cash flow to get your project going And then you get into milestone delivery and hopefully we're all happy at the end and we have a A final report sent to us and you guys can reap the benefits So in terms of the way that we do our assessments is a just restating expression of interest is very much around the rules of eligibility and compliance The application is really getting into our full checks on all of the technical feasibility We just see if you've varied at all from the expression of interest and we do run that competitiveness assessment over the top So the EOI we may have to consider dollars per megaliter in terms of competitiveness, but really it's about the rules So that's a may The application we really do then look into the water savings the dollars per megaliter and in particular the value of the production So those three elements we do consider co-contribution. There is no requirement for co-contributions in terms of cash or income contribution The three main elements there are dollars per megaliter water savings and the productivity elements Our expert assessment panel and steering committee are the ones who really do all the work then in terms of Making the decisions recommendations through to the minister. So as a science program, we take on all of the Applications we help the expert assessment panel to understand those applications They then put through recommendations and funding per project to the steering committee steering committee then look at those projects And rank them if we are oversubscribed There'll be a threshold to which we can no longer fund because we would have run out of money And then they will recommend through the most competitive package to the minister for approval And that's the same as secured across all of the different rounds So taxation, this has been something that's come up over the rounds What's been good is the Australian government are now recognizing capital gains tax deductions on water facilities The science program and SA government obviously do not provide tax advice But do recommend that you seek independent legal and financial advice In entering into any grant because those tax consequences can vary Based on particular circumstances and from project to project. So please go and seek your advice and point out these Two websites the fact sheet on SAMHSA RP and the capital gains tax deductions on water facilities to your advisors We do have regional support officers available and are available right throughout the process Now it's really important with the regional support officers that you understand that they cannot write The funding proposal for you your expression of interest or application They can provide advice on the rules of the game, but they will not provide specific advice on how to position Your project or any specific technical business advice So they will help you though understand the guidelines understand what's eligible They'll be there not just through the application period, but also once you're actually delivering your project, which is really important They'll give you assistance right throughout that process to project completion You'll see that these details are available on the website And that we split the region up in effect above Waikaree across through the Riverland and then below Waikaree down through to the lower Mali so Brett Kennedy deals with the upper region Tasha McGregor deals with the lower region and Kim Walton is their team leader who travels across the region and deals with Some of the more complex issues at hand right across the region So please do contact these guys. They are the best avenue to understanding the the rules of the game Would really like to recognize the wood industry alliance And also recognize ice warm the international center of excellence for water source management Providing great support to industry and to our programs going through the water industry alliance does provide access to service providers Now it's important that if applicant applicants do wish to use a service provider to help prepare An application you do this at your own risk and please be aware of any payments and the impacts that might have on your business in Contracting in service providers, but that is available for you through the wood industry alliance's website The wood industry alliance does not endorse any particular service providers. This is an open site Which is the service that they're providing Through to you as the applicant So our contact details there The psalms 3ip website is available And please use it The stands through our peer hotline Of one three hundred three six four three two two will get you through to any of those region support offices. So Please have a look through to the website Please speak with our region support officers And there are guidelines available make yourselves as familiar as possible with those guidelines because they really are the rules of the game Thank you very much for listening Excellent. Thank you ben. It's Alice here again. I'm just going to help manage the question part of today's webinar Ben, we've already got a question come through on terminology. One of our viewers wants to know what are npa's? Sorry, there's a lot of acronyms involved in all of this and npa is a national partnership agreement It's an agreement that's signed between first ministers. So that's a premier of the state and a prime minister in most cases We've actually got a national partnership agreement agreed between our premier and the prime minister of australia To the 265 million dollar psalms program that are available publicly If you want to have a look at them, you can go to the federal financial relations website And basically we have to run our program a 265 million dollar program as a very large project So we have milestones that are set out very clearly in the national partnership agreement Which we have to achieve and we have to achieve those before we get our funding from the federal government And within that national partnership agreement are the rules That have resulted in us not being able to use the stream one funding In stream two. So this is why we don't have stream two funding available So we're still working with the comworth government on crowding a bit more flexibility under that national partnership agreement Unfortunately, we haven't been able to get that realized Around four that we will continue to work on that. So there you go. That's the long explanation of an npa goodness, thank you. Thank you men um, and then we've just got some general questions around regional support offices, so Um, you've shared the contact details, which is excellent So it's probably more a question around next steps and how to work with the the regional support officers sure, so, um, the best thing about our regional support officers is they've been doing this for a long time And they really understand the needs of industry The best thing to do is just to contact them. They're very approachable. They're out in the region You won't need to leave your property if you want them to come and visit you They will do that. Um, obviously, they're very busy at the moment. They've got a lot of people coming at them They are um keeping up with demand and we will throw more people that way if we do need to Um, so please make a call make an appointment if you can possibly get into one of the offices that might work Uh, but over the phone is often enough And then if you do need a site visit, um, they will entertain that Based on what their availability is But they're not just available during the application period if you are successful and you get through the application They actually come around and they help us with the monitoring of projects. They also help the participants If they come across any particular issues, so they really are your one-stop shop for anything through our pay Excellent great resource. Thank you, Ben. Um, just encourage also our viewers that you can still Got plenty of time to put questions in Uh, we're working through the list. We've got we've got time to take your question So just use that q&a button and drop it down for us Ben, uh, sort of a big picture question now. Uh, what happens if the program achieves more than 40 gig? Sure, so, um amongst the many slides there was one in there which had a big Star kind of blowout on it. Uh, which said industry Will This advice from industry will be sort of kind of what the wording was if we go above 40 gigaliters So our target is 40 gigaliters or 40 billion litres of water. We're currently at 34.8 gigaliters of water. So we're very close um, if in the in round four, uh Results in an offering of more than the balance, which is 5.2 gigaliters Um, we have always said that we'd go back to industry now. We've got some avenues through industry We've got our community and industry engagement reference group as we like to call surge Um, we've got that group that we'll go back to and we do have other heads of industry including arm and board irrigation trust Cheap executives or presiding members. Um, we go back to those industry players Before we take the next step on delivering any more than 40 gigaliters of water In effect, if the response is no, we don't go beyond the 40 gigaliters Um, and we still have some cash at bank We will draw the line And those people unfortunately who aren't as competitive as the rest would be the ones who would miss out on that specific funding opportunity But if we do have any cash remaining, uh, the existing national partnership agreement Recognises that the state then would be able to use that cash to further the outcomes of the national partnership agreement And that would not require any further water to be brought out from industry. So, um, we'll go back to industry first to have those discussions before we return in more than 40 gigaliters excellent thank you and Ben probably just give us a quick reminder of the closing date Yes, sure. Um, we've got the 21st of april is the closing date for expressions of interest Uh, so that's only um, friday week. It's not long away Um, everyone's got an easter that they could enjoy in the meantime and have ponder their expression of interest What it means though is that even if you've got an expression of interest or a project idea Which is 80 formulated We'd suggest that you put it in because then in effect you've got a number of weeks before we come back to you If we invite you through an application to really keep working out the detail on that project proposal So then you've got six weeks to complete an application form. So You actually do have a fair bit of time to really develop up the project idea We want to see an expression of interest at the idea stage at 80 of percent Um, we then in terms of developing it through uh, we'd want to see that that's well developed by the time you put in an application So expressions of interest close in the 21st of april Excellent. Thanks Ben. I've just had one more question come in. Um, it's a question around switching crops so um, sort of removing less profitable crops and therefore, um, I guess the impact on the water use Um, and how is that considered? Um as an application Sure, so um, depends on the crop you've got and the crop you're going to and in terms of water savings, um, we If we see a crop, um, we get evidence from the applicant that there is a crop that Existing crop uses more water than the replacement crop then there'll be a reduction in water use And so we can consider that to be a water saving. So it would be In effect, um, the amount of water used per hectare. So for example Citrus Somewhere around nine megalithus per hectare If someone wanted to pull out some citrus that didn't have the right marketability They wanted to go to a top and break where they could see a market Then you go from six, sorry nine on megalithus per hectare down to about six megalithus per hectare So there'd be a water saving of three megalithus per hectare Times by how many hectares that would be um a water saving We do have information sheets available online, uh, which point to the amount of Water savings that can be achieved through irrigation efficiencies. Um, we are happy to receive So that would be the irrigation infrastructure. Sorry We're happy to receive other evidence of the amount of water use that a crop would use Going from high water use to low water use In terms of a water saving. We also recognize that there are Other crops that you might put in that could use more water and will accept those under our stream three So if you were to look at an existing crop and replacing that with a higher water use crop We can entertain that as well and we can use that on the productivity side of things because in effect You might your business might be better off um producing for example almonds as opposed to maybe the citrus that we're talking about And the irrigation efficiency might be gained through replacement of inefficient irrigation infrastructure So to do this justice in a webinar is a little bit tricky I would suggest that that person with that question goes and speaks to one of our region's support officers To speak about the specific details, but there's a bit of an aw Yeah, excellent. Thanks Ben. Actually, it's good to know all that. Um, what do you start as available? Okay, so um in terms of sort of broadening a business offering or diversifying You know, what if someone wanted to for example move into Accommodation or tourism or hospitality offerings. So switching from primary production of crops into something quite different again Sure, there's a critical element within our offering is that we do not want to see people leaving the irrigation industry So there have been previous programs that have And in very different times and and perhaps suitable for the time Uh offered for people to exit the industry We want people to stay we want people to do better within the industry and we're talking the irrigation industry. So um, we can consider broad diversification elements of um of any business enterprise So if someone wants to go into A different area we can consider that we have previously had proposals come through on tourism operations and the rest And they have not passed the litmus test because that was seen to be going into an area outside the irrigation industry But if there were other activities which were linked to the irrigation industry, for example, there might be some Educational facilities and the rest that are developed up as part of an enterprise um That's the kind of stuff that might be seen by our expert assessment panel and steering committee as being close enough to the irrigation industry I think the point being Through an expression of interest if it's clearly articulated It's better to throw your hat in the ring and to test us out But it is important to have read the guidelines and understand that we do not want to We will not be funding people who exit the irrigation industry Excellent. Thank you Ben So that's it for our question section. Um, and just to reiterate The contact details so you can directly get in touch with the Sam's team Via the website. There's also a hotline and for People who are putting together their expressions of interest. There's a Really great range of resources and support available. So we encourage you to explore those You can absolutely get in touch Throughout the process of preparing the application Um, so the Sam's teams are there to support you through this Um, so any questions sort of that come up after this webinar, please get in touch