 Good morning, everyone. My name is Phoenix Ricks. I'm the alumni outreach specialist here at the U.S. Department of State, and welcome to Washington Circle, the very first episode of our new series for alumni of U.S. government-sponsored exchange programs. We are delighted to be launching this series during the United State of Women Conference, and of course we are extremely happy that our very first guest is Assistant Secretary Evan Bryan. Phoenix, thank you so much. I'm really pleased to be here as the first guest on Washington Circle, and especially with our guests who are here today from the summit, which we're really excited about. So we want to welcome everyone in the studio, welcome everybody who's watching. Today's show is a great chance to talk about education and international exchange, focus for Phoenix and I here in our bureau, and we know that this was also a key theme of the summit, United State of Women. So yesterday I had the opportunity to speak to many people who are at the summit, and we also know we have many alumni engaged, so we're eager to hear from everybody here today and take questions and really talk about how education and exchange can impact the work that we all aim to do with women and girls. Very nice. I'd also like to give a shout out to our viewing group in Vienna, Austria. We have some of our colleagues gathered there for an alumni training, and I know that they have lots of questions for you as well. So we're going to start with some questions that we've received just now online from alumni, and our live audience please feel free to raise your hand if you have a question, and we'll call on you. And we really want this to be more of a conversation than a panel, so feel free to jump in. So our first question, this is actually quite good. So during your time as assistant secretary, what moments or events have really stood out to you and why, particularly when working with women in the alumni community? With women in the alumni community, so I am able to interact with our alumni when I travel overseas, and it's very exciting for me because when I sit with people who've been on our programs and have a chance to hear about their experience on their exchange here in the United States, I really get an opportunity to learn what was so impactful for them, what really resonated with them, what they really appreciated the most, and that helps inform us as we really develop programs to see what we should do, what helps. But the one thing I will say, and I've said this, I know Phoenix has heard me say this, is to a person when we've met people and women especially who come on these exchange programs, they've found the experience transformational. They've really grown and had a chance to see the United States and what we are about, but they've also, for each program that they've come on, had the opportunity to learn from us, to learn skills here in the U.S., things that we're really good at, they're able to then take those skills back with them. So for me, it's exciting to talk to these women, see what they've learned here in the U.S. and how they're bringing that home to their communities and what they're doing to then implement what they've learned in the United States and work at home to lift their own communities and countries. So there's so many examples that come to mind, it's hard to think of one in particular, but I know that without a doubt people come here and they're transformed by the experience. And speaking of that transformation, I'm not sure if our live audience is aware, but in the past 75 years of State Department exchange programs, we've sent approximately one million people on exchanges. That includes Americans and our friends abroad, and of that number right now, there are 58 alumni who are heads of state or government, 105 are Pulitzer Prize winners, 78 are Nobel laureates, and 32 are presidential medal of freedom recipients. And honestly those achievements are just the tip of the iceberg because we have so many alumni in the community who may not receive those types of accolades and awards who are just as involved in their community and helping their communities thrive. So it is a very, very exciting community to be a part of and to get to know. Yes. And on that note, it looks like we have another question on a similar topic. First Lady Michelle Obama told the 2014 cohort of Mandela Washington Fellows that no country can ever truly flourish if it stifles the potential of its women and deprives itself of the contributions of half of its citizens. So this alumna wants to know how exchanges have helped ensure that women and therefore communities flourish and if there are any particular exchange programs that have really made that possible. So the wonderful thing about our programs is we get to exhibit the best of the United States and I think you look at around the world, we still are the best when it comes to women and opportunities for women and advancements for women. So when you think about bringing people, especially women from around the world here to the United States and you give them an opportunity to see what it's like to live here today in the U.S. as a woman, it opens their eyes and gives them ideas of what they can do when they return. It helps motivate them. They see opportunities and especially the way we run our programs here, we make sure that we show them perhaps NGOs or organizations that they can think about, maybe replicating when they return home. We have journalism programs where we show women what it's like to be a journalist here in the United States and how they're able to advance their careers. We talked about this a little bit yesterday. I did with people from the summit, which is mentoring here in the United States is advanced when you consider around the world women and their opportunity to find mentors. And I've found that when I've met with our alumni, they've really looked at what we've done here in terms of how women have mentored out of other women and given them the opportunity to see what advancements might be open to them. And then you see these women go home and try to do the same, perhaps with the generation below them, help mentor young women and give them opportunities and help them guide them in terms of their career. So that's what I think is really amazing to see when you look at our programs and the opportunities that alumni have had when they return. But I think about mentoring. I often think about the Fortune program. Yes. Tech women and tech girls where on the latter two, they learn a lot about STEM and tech here in the States. And when they go home, they open that up to their communities. So tech girls go back and they teach other girls in St. Jordan who have never had the opportunity to learn how to code. They teach them coding skills. So it's great because it's a program that we partner with Silicon Valley on. And so we've got companies throughout Silicon Valley who let these women come in and they're mentored for about five or six weeks. And then they come back here through Washington. We get to see them here at the State Department before they return home. These women have already grown businesses on their own. And so this is an opportunity for women who are already on the path to developing and expanding their tech businesses to really learn more from us. So we do years mentoring as a big component, especially of our entrepreneurship programs. Fortune is another one, as Phoenix mentioned, and ESPNW is a partner of ours as well. And Goldman Sachs is a partner of ours as well. It's wonderful when we're able to bring the private sector together with the U.S. government so that we can show the best of both sides of what America has to offer and really bring all of our assets together to offer our participants in these programs a real opportunity to grow and to learn from us. And on mentoring, we did receive a question yesterday. Someone wanted to know who your mentors have been in your career. Ah, yes. So I feel very fortunate in my career. I have had wonderful mentors. I think mostly of a mentor who sadly for me passed away in January and she was my first real mentor and her name was Evelyn Lieberman. I worked with her when I worked in the First Lady's office when Hillary Clinton was First Lady and she had the most amazing advice. She really pushed me beyond my comfort zone, which is I think an important thing for a mentor to do and always helped me see a path where I could grow. And what I always tell people when I think of Evelyn and what she taught me, one thing she taught me was I should always feel like my head is barely above water and that I'm struggling to keep it above water. When I feel like I'm floating in the water, she said then it's time to move on. So I've always passed on that advice because I felt that that is good advice and you're always striving and learning and growing. But since then I've had other mentors as well. At the White House when Hillary Clinton was First Lady Maggie Williams, who was her Chief of Staff, was who I worked for directly, was a wonderful mentor. And this most recent time for me at the White House, Valerie Jarrett was a wonderful mentor. She's been very involved in the United State of Women and has been a great advisor to me. Cynthia Hogan and Kathy Russell, who were colleagues of mine in the Vice President's office. It's really wonderful when you can find people in your immediate team who you can help guide you and advise you and then beyond your immediate office and team as well who can maybe give you some bigger perspective. So I have felt very fortunate and so I try my hardest to pay it forward and do the same. Yes and you do and I also I think I've told you this before that young women at state we really appreciate your words of advice and we really do love learning from you. So that's another reason we were so excited that you were going to be our first guest because this one on one conversation is going to be amazing not just for alumni in our audience but also for young women at the State Department. Well I'm passing on what I've learned so I'm happy to do it. Very nice just want to remind the live audience at any time you can just raise your hand for questions and our online audience you can ask questions with the hashtag ask wash circle or you can tweet at exchange alumni. So our next question from online over the course of your career have you ever encountered an instance where you felt you weren't taken seriously because you are a woman how did you respond and what advice would you give to women who might encounter a similar situation? So you know my very first reaction is interesting and that is my first job out of college was working for Hillary Clinton when she was first lady in the White House and her staff was almost entirely women it was 99% women. So interestingly I it set me up in a strange way because every for me it taught me that women could do anything. On her step she was she was a very interesting first lady with a bright future ahead of her apparently. It really for someone coming right out of college and for my first professional experience it just made me think that women could do anything. So I really can't recall off the top of my head a time where I felt a discrimination in my position because I was a woman and in fact listening to the question it makes me realize that I was very uniquely placed early on to be in a position where everyone around me and every position around me including the first lady who was doing really interesting things it taught me that women could do anything and that there were no barriers or no limits. I'm sure if I think carefully I'm sure because there are there are always issues I think all all of us who are women who are watching this know that there are issues sometimes where you feel like perhaps you haven't been heard or perhaps you've had an idea you've communicated the idea but then another man has an idea and for some reason they respond more to the man than they have to you. So I think there are instances like that that I might be able to recall and my best advice actually when I think of things along those lines are for women to support other women and to say you know Phoenix had that idea that was a great idea that Phoenix had and really support one another in that regard but I would I would also say that for all the young women out there who are watching I think it would be great to really develop your network and think about who you can look to who are other women who can A support you but B who you can look to so that you can see that it's possible because if you can see a role model who is succeeding in a fashion or in a in a position that you aspire to then you do know it's possible and I I do think that I benefited from that in the very first part of my career in seeing that in the office that I was in and that's wonderful when I first started out working I actually worked for a crime scene unit in high school yeah I was 15 I was the youngest intern they'd ever had and as you can imagine there's really not that many women in crime scene investigation and so people didn't really take me seriously at all but I was lucky there was a woman in the office who was just amazing at giving me advice and she actually is the reason I got to keep the job they tested me on the first day they were like we just don't think you're gonna make it you're a 15 year old girl this is not gonna work out so we're gonna take you to the morgue and if you last we'll keep you so before I I went she told me she was like pretend they're mannequins and it worked out so yeah developing a network of female crime scene investors and you know helping young women in the field exactly exactly agree yes okay looks like we have another question from twitter okay um hannah is um a ycelia alumnus that's the young southeast asian leadership initiative um from malaysia and hannah asks with shifting geopolitical landscape and global economic challenges how do you see the united states role in international affairs 30 years from now it's a very good question um I I feel like what I've learned from this job and being able to meet with participants who come on these programs and travel and meet with the alumni and get a sense of the impact of these programs I really think I can best address this in terms of public diplomacy and I would say that um the US plays an important role in public diplomacy we really are I do think the best example for the for the world in so many ways with the strides that we've made and when you look at where other countries are around the world and the challenges they face these are often challenges that we've already faced and we've already confronted and we really are able to then share what we've learned with people globally so I would say and this coming from a ycelia alum I would say it's really important that we continue to engage on these exchange programs and give people the opportunities to learn from us in the united states I think it's more important than ever that we connect with one another the world is shrinking technologically all the more reason we need to actually understand and know one another and who we are so that that there are no misunderstandings through various communications um and I would say that engagement is really important um I know that what I've loved about being here at the state department is secretary Kerry is our premier diplomat and his job is to engage with foreign ministers and leaders around the world diplomatically speaking here in the bureau of educational and cultural affairs we deal with people to people diplomacy what I like to call grassroots diplomacy really being able to connect with people um everyday people people who are on the ground in their countries and in their communities and that's hugely important and it's an investment that I think everyone across the u.s. government believes in and understands is important because you can talk to a foreign minister and to a leader of a country but if the people of that country don't understand you and who you are and what the united states is about then where are you going to be you need you need that connection and that understanding so 30 years from now I hope that we are only continuing to really engage diplomatically but also through public diplomacy and selfishly speaking through exchange programs and 30 years from now we'll have even more alumni and Phoenix's show will be huge around the world with many many viewers and so we'll be able to reach more and more people and connect more broadly you'll always be the first exactly do you all have any questions we'd like to take some live questions yes so so you mentioned earlier that you had partnerships with espn and fortune and bullman sacks and whatnot um first question is uh the partnerships that you have are those just with tech girls or is that like across the board so each the partnerships are broad broadly um we partner very broadly so golden sacks we partner with them on an entrepreneurship program for women in the middle east and north africa the tech women program is also happens to be predates the golden program focused on the middle east north africa and also sub-saharan africa um our espn w program is a global program where we bring women globally here to be placed with organizations that espn w helps us identify where they are mentored same with the fortune program so um each program we spend a lot of time tailoring and developing to meet the specific needs that we think for that particular challenge um and we found that we've been really fortunate in our partners um they've been really wonderful um because they've committed and shared their resources their knowledge their skills and that really benefits our exchange participants who have the opportunity to come on these programs so i've been really heartened to see the enthusiasm in the private sector for working with us and uh hope that we're able to continue to grow in that regard uh lori alexander from um washington teachers union and american federation of teachers so my question is as an educator i think about the educator exchange programs that you have and i've taught at a high poverty school and low poverty schools within the district of corvia so i think about what are the plans when you do the exchange program syndress even then equities in an urban setting between different countries because i think about in a district depending on where you're at you get you could get a completely different experience in the exchange program so i wonder how that translates in terms of bringing people here many people here are even going over there right see like what how do you address it's a really good question and it's something that i talk about when i travel and i have to say our embassies who are our primary partner i should mention on our exchange programs because our embassies help identify the people who come here on our exchange programs and one important point that we all agree on and we work closely with the embassies on is that we don't want uh our the program participants who come here to just be from the capital city or from the elite part of the country we really want to move beyond and and have people from all parts of a country and all levels of a society be able to come on our exchange programs we really want the opportunity to be merit-based and broad and we think our embassies have done a really excellent job of identifying people from all areas of countries from rural areas people with different levels of education and having them join us on our exchange programs i will say one of the challenges especially as it relates to our academic programs is when we bring people here to the united states making sure they're able to participate in the us classroom especially university classroom at the right level so we have many programs and some programs that we work on overseas we've launched uh partnerships with um and tech companies where we have mooks massive open online courses where people can take part in a mook and then also in a discussion afterwards a facilitated discussion we have english language programs that we run english language even for academia so people can learn better how to uh write in an academic setting so we hope all of these tools help uh people who are interested in coming here to academic settings or on exchange programs to universities help qualify them so that they can take part even if they haven't had the foundational educational experience in their country that would qualify them we hope that we're providing the tools that will enable a broader array of people to take advantage of these opportunities and come here because we do we think it's a wonderful question we think it's really important that all people from all levels of society are able to take part in our programs are there any more questions from oh yes i'm sure in some of me and i found our playworks physicals academy i also teach tech for social impact at u.s.c. which will be school of engineering so i have two questions one is what do you look for in partners partnerships and then what can i take back to my students so that i can encourage them to be a part of this program oh both good questions um in terms of partners we look for um you know people who are are willing to be true partners so that means financially but also in terms of uh your knowledge your skills your human resources your human capital because what's so important with these private sector partners is you know it's wonderful for me to bring entrepreneurs here to the united states on these programs but i don't have a background in business or entrepreneurship so if i'm going to bring women entrepreneurs here to the united states much better for me to be able to have them sit down with uh a goldman sacks um a bloomberg or a partner that we have who can actually share skills that we the u.s. government don't have so i would say all of that is what we look for in partnerships this sort of a broad willingness to share the best of what you have to offer and then we share the best of what we have to offer and that's a wonderful combination um in terms of your students i always love that question we would love for students um we have teacher here as well to really think about studying abroad either in high school or in college we really think it's very important studying languages as well we think is very important um in terms of overall us global competitiveness we think as the state department is strategically important we don't have as many u.s. students studying abroad as we would like especially when you look at the number of international students who come here from overseas and when we think about the long term uh the long road for us as um as a country we really want to make sure we stay competitive and the global marketplace um the ability to work together to understand one another is more important than ever and that you can really enhance your own marketability by having a study abroad experience by studying languages especially critical languages so i would encourage your students to think along those lines thanks and definitely tell them to look up exchanges.state.gov there's a program finder where they can actually look by their age and their interest to see which kinds of programs they might like to learn more about highly recommend it i want to build on shireen's question in terms of public private partnerships what's the first layer of of starting starting that dialogue how you go about doing so we have a public private partnerships office and so the first layer is to we can connect you with them and there's a process we are the u.s. government so there's a vetting process as well that takes place um and but our public private partnership office is wonderful and they can talk you through how to approach a partnership here they can also then get you into the vetting process and and then we can work from there hi i'm katelyn figurator from global resolutions in the united nations um currently i'm in university in australia and i know for myself coming to the us alone is a very scary thing and obviously with your exchange programs a lot of um students that you send out might not um lived abroad by themselves or come to the us so how do you prepare um youth to face the chat like the challenges and the emotional challenges they have of going abroad for the first time it's a really good question and i think about it because uh today i'm actually meeting with our some of our yes students and the yes program is a wonderful program that brings students here to the united states high school age students from muslim majority countries here to the united states for a whole academic year of high school in the us and we also have it so that us students go overseas as well so it's it's both ways and whenever i meet with those students i always say you can do anything if you've come here as a student in high school for a whole academic year the sky is the limit you can do anything because i'm so impressed with their courage and bravery for taking this big leap of faith what i would say is we do try to work closely with the students our embassies do overseas and we do here in the united states so either way you look at it when we send us high school students overseas and when we have embassies our embassies overseas meet with the students who are coming here to the us we really try to talk them through what the experience will be like what they will be what they should be prepared for um and then i have to talk about a wonderful organization that we partner with called global ties global ties is here throughout the united states and they are our partners they help us identify host families for our students but they also help welcome students to a community make sure that they understand and have the full resources of a community at their disposal understand what sort of activities are happening in the community events and really try to make people feel welcome i can't say enough about the work the global ties does so i think especially when you're thinking of high school students we're really pleased to be able to have partners such as global ties here overseas we rely heavily on the embassies on the us embassies to really be closely in touch with our students to make sure that they're feeling good they're feeling comfortable um and that they're thriving in their exchange we also have resources for your parents as well on our website you know my favorite site now exchange is dot state dot gov where you can read um parent stories of what it was like for them sending their child abroad for a year or even for a shorter program for the first time because it is it's difficult for them to it is it's very brave of the parents as well um i'm zara safari i'm a student at arizona state university and internet arizona legal woman youth services and i'm going off this question i was wondering if there is anyway as young adults to get involved perhaps as a mentor for these high school students that are coming from abroad so it's easier for them to transition coming from somebody who's maybe closer age to them absolutely i love that you have thought of this and that you're willing to do that we would love to connect you especially to our yes program and um have you be able to speak to these students i think that's a wonderful opportunity and global ties would probably be the best way to achieve that but we will make sure to connect you because you're very kind to offer okay thank you and on that note um to that question anwar from iraq just asked um on twitter um or in our chat space how can we better support young women from the middle east and studying abroad and convincing their parents that it is okay and safe to do so so this is a question that that i've encountered before um when i've traveled overseas uh and i know that this is an issue i think um the best way to address it is to actually introduce parents to a student who has done it who has traveled overseas i was in jordan in april and had the opportunity to um talk to some alumni of our programs and i heard this wonderful story about a young girl who would come on our tech girls program which is like our tech women program where we bring girls from the middle east here and they learn for several weeks they get to understand our tech world better and they go to a tech camp and they learn a lot um one young woman from jordan her mother very much did not want her to come on the program um she was concerned about her leaving and coming here she convinced her mother to let her come on the program she came she had a great experience she learned a great deal she came went back to jordan and her mother saw the transformation in her she saw her confidence she saw how much she had learned she saw that she had ideas for what she was going to do in her academic the rest of her academic career and beyond she saw how she was sharing what she learned with her peers and her her family her mother has become an advocate for going on this program as a result of seeing her daughter's transformation and her mother and the mother and daughter actually have gone on tv in jordan to encourage people to think about letting their daughters specifically the issue being daughters specifically travel overseas on these sorts of exchange programs and it was very powerful as as we've mentioned because parents are an important piece of this especially for that high school age teenage student so i thought this was a wonderful example so to answer anwar i would say really important to find young people who have been on these programs and perhaps speak to the parents of those young people and see what helped those parents get over that and and help see the benefit for their child in doing this so i would say that's probably the best path thank you um earlier you mentioned american competitiveness and we have a question on that topic from our online viewers um so each year you know we look at open doors data to assess why when and how americans study abroad and you mentioned that the numbers aren't as high as we'd like them to be so looking at the latest figures we see around it says one in ten american undergraduates will study abroad and that 32 percent of american students um abroad are in the united kingdom spain and italy what do you think are the main barriers to american studying abroad and how can we increase the percentages of american studying abroad in non-western european countries right we want to do both we really do we've been focusing on that here we've even established a us study abroad office here in the bureau so that we can try to increase those numbers uh the best way for me to answer this question a little bit is to talk about my own experience i studied abroad in college um my second semester of my junior year and i studied in london um and as phoenix i think knows the story when i first came here i didn't even tell people that i had done that because i didn't consider it a real study abroad experience because i hadn't gone to china or the middle east or or india or someplace i thought well i was in london it's the same language and so i didn't think of it um as much still it did open my eyes and it did give me um a sense of the broader world out there and um how important it is to understand the whole global experience and not just the us perspective um ever more important i would say so um that being said i i do think it'd be great for us to move beyond western europe and to think broadly and i'm so uh inspired when i meet the students that we're sending on these language programs that we have critical language programs national security language programs and um and through our academic programs like our yes programs and beyond um i think what we need to do and i remember this as well um i i encountered many issues i think cost is a huge barrier that was the barrier that i was most concerned with when i thought about studying overseas it wasn't until i really sat down broke it down did um did it become apparent that it was a very similar cost um scenario so i think exploring and really looking at the cost is important when you think about cost i'm very proud to say we have a wonderful program here called the gillman scholarship program and that program is available to Pell Grant recipients so if you are a Pell Grant recipient you can apply to our gillman scholars program and that will fund your overseas study so wonderful wonderful program and we encourage many people to take a look at it because we do know costs a big barrier and then also i would say it's important to connect to your study abroad office at your university and just learn about all the opportunities that are available we do want people to understand we touched upon this a little bit beginning and i know the questioner mentioned this we think it's really important not only for us as the united states but to think about as a student how it will really enhance your own resume and your own skill set if you are able to point to your international experience i know there was a survey of fortune 500 CEOs and many people i know here in our audience employ people i know as you look at people who are applying for jobs you probably are going to look differently at someone who's had that kind of international experience i would imagine really look at the the idea that they understand the world in a broader way which is important in today uh in this day and age so we really do encourage people to think about their own careers down the road what would mean if they have that international experience and we do also encourage them to think beyond western europe beyond what i thought about i'll say the other one other barrier that i confronted and i know this is an issue is my peers in college did not want me to go you know they did not they talked to me about what i would miss they they tried to get me to stay you know in school specifically my roommates who didn't want to be assigned a roommate for my spot i know that was actually a big issue so these are all issues that i know students confront all i will say is i felt that that i did have resistance amongst my friends and that was hard i really really knew i wanted to do it and um it was so eye-opening and um when i do reflect even though i didn't talk about it when i first came here because i didn't think about it specifically i do know that it put me on the path to hear and to being here at the state department today um so i really would encourage people i think it just it does so much in terms of opening your eyes and opening opportunities for you so for all of our students out there who are watching please do think about studying abroad slowly thank you and so it looks like i can take one more question from our studio audience yes so anubhavard watch from the state of women radio network uh just want to preface what you just said about your experience i was a full bright scholar to the indian institute technology in Mumbai almost 10 years ago which laid the foundation to where i am sitting right here today coming back to headquarters and one of the things that i have really enjoyed about this experience is engaging with other full bright scholars during the program capturing their stories and one of the things we wanted to do is create a podcast series on these scholars because you're hearing from them but to get that out to other other other students around the world who are curious and how do i go about doing this and what exactly did you do we would love to create a podcast series but i'm not sure how we would go about doing this and maybe there's a communications person that we could speak with or absolutely we would love that exactly yes we would love to have a podcast series that's awesome yeah we'll definitely connect after this is over to talk about that it's a great idea thank you my pleasure yes it's really quick are there any other areas of study besides um you know language and tech through the exchange programs that we can look into well phoenix has has given you uh the place to go to sort of look at the best place but i will say what i say about our bureau of educational cultural affairs is if you can think of it we're probably doing it we we run exchange programs on virtually anything you can think of so we really do encourage you to explore our website and options because we're trying to connect with the world on every level and we're trying to respond to countries overseas and help them as they are growing and and building their skill sets and skill bases and so we really are exploring all sorts of exchanges we send dance troops across the bands i mean anything you think of we will find an exchange so in closing we have one last question from our um online audience this is fantastic i'm also curious about this um so what do you know after three years in this position that you wish you had known on date one oh my goodness um so much um i uh i think you know i i i have learned as much from our exchange participants who come here i've learned so much from them and i didn't realize that would be the case i knew that through these exchange programs we would be sharing what we know and our skills and our knowledge i don't think i had the sense of how much we would learn from them coming here and it's been amazingly inspiring and that's why i'm so grateful for our alumni around the world and our alumni office for engaging with our alumni because um it's an amazing community of people what we've done is really build a network globally of people who understand one another better and i'm so really pleased to be a part of it oh thank you so much thank you and thank you for being the first guest on our show thank you to our live audience this has been an amazing experience for state of women um we'll be having other shows in the future so please check alumni.state.gov for that information you can also find international exchange alumni on facebook twitter tumblr medium as well and we also have an instagram which is exchange our world thank you thank you